The idea of the Courier dragging Caesar’s corpse halfway across the Mojave, through Freeside and through the Strip just for Mr House to react with “meh” is pretty funny
Courier: "Caesar is dead." House: "It doesn't really matter; it won't make much difference in the battle." Courier: "I was just seeing if you wanted to share. More for me then."
@@DarkOmegaMK2 for what it's worth, that's kinda a running theme. Fallout 3 asking "what's even the point of all this if it doesn't help people?", NV asking "what's even the point of all this if we just go extinct over nonsense?", FO4 asking "would they even be much better than the Enclave if they had real power?" and 76 asking "what is the point of making Fallout if we're just going to go ahead and play the friggin Beach Boys?"
Honestly. that's why I like House. He has a real vision for humanity, NCR and Legion just want to go backwards and do thing that have already been tried. He let's me kill whoever I want as long as he get's what he needs out of them. Why would you want to pay taxes under the NCR or be witness to whatever the fuck the Legion does when House just let's you go around doing whatever you want?
Im just imagining House wordlessly watching the courier eat Caesar's corpse in front of him, with an expression somewhere between disinterest and disappointment.
"I killed Caesar" "It will affect the battle of Hoover Dam, minimally" "I killed all the soldiers in his camp on my way out, surely that will change something" "I said it will affect it minimally!"
He's indeed speaking the truth when he said "the Legion will be breaking down, riven by internal conflicts, a monster consuming itself". Caesar himself knew how to govern the Legion due to him being a former Followers of the Apocalypse member, while Lanius only knows battle, and ONLY battle.
@@PainweedingPills You know if I had a nickel for every time I've talked down the final boss in a fallout game only to shoot him in the back as he's walking away, I'd have two nickels.
@@elvis5008yeah, using barter and speech against Lanius reveals he is actually quite aware of logistics and long term strategy. Sure, he isn't Caesar, but he's also no fool.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Which is weird for a guy who's all about battle and carnage. Kinda feels like those speech checks were just tacked on at the last minute.
Courier: > kills Caesar > proceeds to drag him over half of Mojave to present his corpse to Mr. House > devours Caesar after Mr. House is not impressed
@@DreamersOfReality House is talking to the Courier, not to us. How much do you think the Courier actually knows about what the pre-war US was really like? They're not in a position to challenge House's assertions about that sort of thing. In any case, American democracy in Fallout DID fail - it gave rise to a staggeringly morally bankrupt corporate oligarchy.
House was a very well written character. He's genuinely the smartest guy around, still, the temptation to golf club him and go for the Yes Man ending is so hard to resist.
@@6milhõesEm5AnosÉLorota They compensate for that, though, by being unhinged over time. House not only seems to have retained his mental faculties, he almost seems robotic in how cunning and strategic he is, resisting the usual temptations in favor of calculating outcomes.
I like how you proudly showing Caesars body like a kid who just got his first fish catch and wanting your dad to be proud of it but somehow your dad is disappointed so you just ate it
Bro imagine how absurdly badass and scary that is tho, imagine you being Mr.House and you witness the courier wipe out cottonwood cove and an ENTIRE LEGION CAMP ALONE, just to pick their leaders corpse and have the balls to drag him halfway across the mojave just to show it to you
Well I mean unlike the white gloves you aren’t bound by the ‘Don’t eat people clause’. I’m sure eating Caesar also has no impact on Houses calculations and of course House has no intention of policing what people do in their spare time.
@@LordTyph Only because the world doesn't know what condition Caesar's in. If you don't kill him, the tumor will. You basically have to be deliberately going the Caesar route and curing his brain tumor personally. Even if he's still alive, by the time of the Dam Battle, those Securitrons under his fort will have reduced him to ash on the way out.
I think House would have preferred to be the one to kill him, in spectacular fashion. His loose lips do tell that "the Legion is still monster enough that defeating it will make me like mighty indeed", hinting to his intentions. Personally humiliating Caesar would definitely have been a feather in his cap!
@@DreamersOfReality And, given the Securitrons are right underneath his feet, I'm guessing he and his camp go up in smoke in the Yes Man and House paths. Good warning to the NCR, you might want to back off unless you want to be their next target.
Courier: I did it Mr. House! I killed Caesar! Mr. House: So anyways, here's my speech about how the legion won't be defeated by loss of their leader. Courier: Did you not pay attention to the body i carried all the way across the Mojave?
It mean they gonna be dangerous at the beginning because they gonna want to honor Caesar, then they will make him a deity. And after all that, they will get break from the inside by themselves. It's like what happen to the real ancient Rome.
Courier: *KIlls the leader of one his largest enemies, preventing many years of war in the future between the two" House: "Its irrelevant since it doesnt effect the next month of my life"
@@andrewstewart1464to be fair, the next financial quarter literally has a massive battle that will determine the fate of the entire mojave (and him). Its understandable he's focused on that.
The long-term only matters when you can survive beyond the short-term. Imagine you find a gold mine in the middle of the desert. You would be rich beyond your wildest dreams, but that gold mine only matters if you have enough food and water to survive getting back to civilization.
I find curious and funny how is it that people get in conversations and entire debates about whether the NCR or the Legion will take control of the Mojave...when the the game not only reveals that Caesar is slowly decaying, but also many characters mention directly at the player that the moment he perishes, the legion will start to crumble.
Because players put more thought into the possible future of the legion than even obsidian did. Lanius doesn’t care about the legion, he cares about conquest and battle and he said so himself. If given the chance to avoid governing he would do so. So in the event of Caesar’s death who actually takes over? Who is actually capable of leading the legion, he is a very very intelligent, capable, logistical, and high ranking praetorian who even caesar himself says no one would dare to challenge? Lucius. Lucius is the commander of the guard, the most senior ranking member, the most experienced both tactically and combat wise, and the most capable of leading. Logic dictates that Lucius would be the one to take over the legion not lanius and that lanius would gladly let him if it meant lanius kept his position as a combat active general in the legion while Lucius took over the governing body with immediate support from the rest of the legion who know him, respect him, and would follow his orders.
@@thehorrorhound6575 The Joke My dude, Lucius is some rando that gets blasted in Caesar's tent to most players, and to the rest of them he's literally just Some Guy. He's not notable in any way, and certainly not capable of taking over for Caesar. After all, they both have 4 INT lol
@@batrachian149 the lore begs to differ. Lucius has been the head of Caesar’s elite guard for so long that no one has challenged him for his spot in years. Caesar himself says “it’s either out of respect or fear” if you choose to kill Caesar during his tumor surgery it’s Lucius who is the quest giver for the remainder of the story. Because even new Vegas devs knew “this is the logical guy to take over”. As for calling him a rando no one cares about you should speak for yourself. I got my dick ripped off verbally by 30 different comments yesterday for not remembering chomp Lewis had a daughter.
It's a nice thing to fluff up the world a bit, but these dialogue options are also basically just the game's meta way of handwaving an important person dying but the finale staying identical. Ideally there would be some kind of tangible effect to killing Caesar in non-Legion playthroughs, even if it was only more ending slides.
But the effect is exactly the same regardless. The accomplishment of killing Caesar is belittled by both dialogue and practical effect as it makes no discernible difference in the way the plot plays out moving forward. All New Vegas is doing that Fallout 4 doesn't is to condescendingly inform you that your actions don't matter if they don't fit into the neat little box of how it wants its narrative to go. Cheap window-dressing of 4 lines of dialogue or not, the actual end result is in all effective and meaningful ways the same: limiting, dismissive, and shallow.
@@TheRPGenius House explained why it wouldn’t impact the battle, though. It is also commented on by a multitude of characters from varying walks of life. So even in-game, it definitely FEELS like you did something notable. In the game, House says Caesar’s death will eventually lead to division and civil war within the Legion. But immediately following it, they have a goal. They have a single, unifying purpose and multiple years of pre-established preparation and training to accomplish. Boone also has dialogue about it. He says not only is there already a clear, determined line of succession, but the NCR also has intel Caesar isn’t running the military anymore. He’s essentially a figurehead by the time you kill him. There are both character interactions which comment on your action, which let’s you get more insight into a variety of characters and factions. From legionaries swearing to kill you, to NCR praise to House’s dismissal. There are also satisfying and consistent lore explanations for why it doesn’t stop them attacking. It’s why the final boss in 3/4 runs isn’t Caesar, but the Legate. New Vegas is a game that does way better than FO4, FO3, pretty much all Bethesda games and most other games in general at allowing the players to make, and responding to, decisions. But it just can’t have you stop the second battle of Hoover Dam. The games entire buildup is dependent on it. EDIT: grammar.
@@realdaggerman105 Probably the one person who takes Caesar's death the most seriously if you tell him is Joshua Graham. He knew the Legion, better than anyone, so he knows just how significant it is. It's easy to see the Legion, as an outsider, and think it won't matter much, but Graham knows that only Caesar could really lead. If you don't kill Lanius at the Dam, he drives the Legion into the ground.
@@TheRPGenius Fun Fact- Killing Edward before talking to Hanlon about his false radio calls gives you an option to tell him, which causes him to not off himself at the end of the quest. Weird how in almost literally every single attempt someone makes to try and put the bugthesda games above New Vegas falls flat when you actually play the game for yourself.
An excellent analysis by Mr House. Think of the defeats of the Persians by the Greeks. They still kept coming back for more. As a player the opportunity to depose Caeser would have been interesting. Plus if the player wants to be really evil perhaps a centurion as a companion. Great for a melee/unarmed build if you add Rex or ED-E. Thoughts on the best brain transplant for Rex might be interesting as the Violetta brain didn't cut it. Roughly 10% speed increase when it should have been 100%. All the best NV devotees
"By my calculations, his death will affect the shape of the battle for Hoover Dam minimally, if at all." This is 100% it tbh. The Legion soldiers are more work than Caesar and the Legate put together. Caesar is an old man who has amnesia-inducing seizures, and the Legate can just be talked down gently.
I've played this game for more than a decade, but until now I'Ve never noticed that this is the same voice actor who played Odo on Deep Space Nine. René Auberjonois.
Legion ferry operator; "oh k what do i have today?..looks like courier 6, arcade gannon, that weird eyebot thing and the corpse of my current leader...seems legit, ready..."
"I killed House." "Yes, I can tell. These screens are two-way, you know. It's not as if it matters, really. Not in the immediate short-term or however long you stretch the game while you dawdle about in the wastes."
Mr Horse:As much as I appreciate the fact that you bring his body right here with the various monsters but. SHIT, I understand, doesn't have a lot of options to eat, but I needed to do it here??!!
This si one of the things that always gets to me. Obviously the Legion is a screwed up place but as Raul points out the region was horrific before they arrived and them being there is the main reason raiders arent cannibalizing everyone that dares form a town. The collapse of the Legion would create a power vaccum that would ruin the lives of all the regular people under Legion rule that could say "Well at lest they keep the raiders away and the septims flowing". When I play other factions I wish there was a way to still save Ceasar so at least after beating them the collapse out east wont be as catostropic and maybe they can try and cobble something together that will keep some it together
I may be a little late to the party, but how do you deal with doors/loading screens while holding a body? I wanted to drag ED-E to scrapyard that way, but the first doors in Mojave express were the ultimate boss of my adventure.
People say that House is a psychopath and a tyrant. Meanwhile any time you disobey his orders you're met with casual indifference (with the exception of the platinum chip, but given how long he was waiting for that thing and how important it was to his plans thats understandable)
The idea of the Courier dragging Caesar’s corpse halfway across the Mojave, through Freeside and through the Strip just for Mr House to react with “meh” is pretty funny
He took House's request to "be a good Courier, and DELIVER it!" a little too seriously
What else did you want to discuss?
That sounds like something Caesar would do to his enemies.
Only for the courier to go 'white glove society' out on the front porch which probably elicited the same 'meh' response
@@bloominninja "I authorize you to deal with them in *any* way you see fit" 👀
I love how you bring him the body like a cat
AHH fuck you Tentacion!
lemme do the overused joke you corpse
🐱: Well he isn’t going to learn to hunt on his own.
eating the body is also quite cat-like
I present you a gift; the body of Caesar, head intact so you can tell it's really him.
Courier: "Meow."
Courier: "Caesar is dead."
House: "It doesn't really matter; it won't make much difference in the battle."
Courier: "I was just seeing if you wanted to share. More for me then."
I wonder if the White Gloves would pay well for tasting a petty tyrant
'*sigh* I got this fool to run an errand for me-'
'Wait, he is actually doing it.'
"DISCONNECT THIS, DISCONNECT"
I don't think sharing is much in House's nature
I read the last part immediately before he started eating his corpse, i swear that made it all the more better
House: "Come to think of it, a few more spares would be good to have on hand. Save the liver and kidneys. I'll have Victor put them on ice."
Mmm, this Caesar salad needs more bacon.
Damn now we need some ranch
There’s some bacon in the basement.
Long bacon👉😏👉
😂
Very good!
But it's not a vegetarian meal!
@@thechickenwitch4769
White Glove Society: 🤤😌
>Kills Caesar
>"Who cares lol"
>Eats Caesar's corpse
>Refuses to elaborate
>Leaves
House: Idgaf, get back to work.
House: Refuses to care even harder
You only cleaned up the mess you brought in
Mr. House: Cannibalism is a breach of your contract!
"I killed Caesar." "Who cares." "I don't want to kill the Brotherhood of Steel." "BUT THEY'RE DUMB!"
You're right, the BoS is dumb as shit.
@@DarkOmegaMK2 for what it's worth, that's kinda a running theme. Fallout 3 asking "what's even the point of all this if it doesn't help people?", NV asking "what's even the point of all this if we just go extinct over nonsense?", FO4 asking "would they even be much better than the Enclave if they had real power?" and 76 asking "what is the point of making Fallout if we're just going to go ahead and play the friggin Beach Boys?"
@@PeterJDeer NV's BoS is more like "What's the point of this when Elijah literally FUCKED us in every possible way before vanishing?"
The Enclave should have won.
@@victorochoa3662 (Henry Eden, watching Moe Cronin explaining baseball) "Look at how they massacred my boy..."
I guess you could say the Caesar salad was on the house.
*Ba dum tss*
"in front of" ☝️🤓
@@sebastiann.8088 kinda digustingly rubbing against the house
He wasn't assassinated by the white glove society.
Hahahhahahahaha u win hahahaha
"you know Caesar is dead right?"
House: you know it doesnt matter, right?
House: who... cares?
Damn that’s crazy but I don’t remember asking
Honestly. that's why I like House. He has a real vision for humanity, NCR and Legion just want to go backwards and do thing that have already been tried. He let's me kill whoever I want as long as he get's what he needs out of them. Why would you want to pay taxes under the NCR or be witness to whatever the fuck the Legion does when House just let's you go around doing whatever you want?
And I took it personally
Im just imagining House wordlessly watching the courier eat Caesar's corpse in front of him, with an expression somewhere between disinterest and disappointment.
"I killed Caesar"
"It will affect the battle of Hoover Dam, minimally"
"I killed all the soldiers in his camp on my way out, surely that will change something"
"I said it will affect it minimally!"
He's indeed speaking the truth when he said "the Legion will be breaking down, riven by internal conflicts, a monster consuming itself". Caesar himself knew how to govern the Legion due to him being a former Followers of the Apocalypse member, while Lanius only knows battle, and ONLY battle.
Idk Lanius seemed quite reasonable in that final battle, man didn't even fight, he just talked for like 30 minutes before leaving.
@@elvis5008 If you mean the "before leaving" as in the speech/barter check option, that can also happen too. Quite a salt to the wound in my opinion.
@@PainweedingPills You know if I had a nickel for every time I've talked down the final boss in a fallout game only to shoot him in the back as he's walking away, I'd have two nickels.
@@elvis5008yeah, using barter and speech against Lanius reveals he is actually quite aware of logistics and long term strategy. Sure, he isn't Caesar, but he's also no fool.
@@GeraltofRivia22 Which is weird for a guy who's all about battle and carnage. Kinda feels like those speech checks were just tacked on at the last minute.
I like House's reading of the situation, since it at least means that Caesar's death will have real impact in the long term.
It makes sense. It was a cult of personality.
Courier six: Look dad i brought you a gift.
House: I have seen better
"I also found this snow globe" "HOT DOG!"
"Boromir would've brought me a kingly gift"
Courier:
> kills Caesar
> proceeds to drag him over half of Mojave to present his corpse to Mr. House
> devours Caesar after Mr. House is not impressed
@warfarinoverdose7221:
> watches a video on youtube
> describes it verbatim in the comment
Well, there is nothing in YOUR contract saying you can't eat human flesh.
@@Specter5053 you want some Caesar dressing on that Caesar?
House: "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the window."
Courier: "If you want to see the fate of autocracies, look down here."
"I thought we were an autonomous collective!"
You're fooling yourself! We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes......
House, buddy, old friend... I fail to see what was so "democratic" about the pre-war United States! So that burn doesn't hurt like he thinks it does.
Om nom nom. Autocracy needs more pepper.
@@DreamersOfReality House is talking to the Courier, not to us. How much do you think the Courier actually knows about what the pre-war US was really like? They're not in a position to challenge House's assertions about that sort of thing.
In any case, American democracy in Fallout DID fail - it gave rise to a staggeringly morally bankrupt corporate oligarchy.
*Drops Caesar's body in front of House*
House: "Them Boomers though?"
Courier: "Look Mister House! I'm a good boy! Look at that!"
House: "I don't care, really"
Courier *while eating ceasar*: "You really should."
"Hey, look what I brought you!"
"I told you not to kill him, you idiot."
Courier: I nuked both the NCR and the Legion.
Mr. House: Meh
he'd probably be PISSED that you nuked the NCR.
Hank from the Fallout Show: Wait, that was me!
Courier: *drags Caesar’s lifeless corpse all the way from Hoover Dam to the penthouse of the Lucky 38
Mr House: any progress with the boomers?
Courier: Well I figured Caesar is old enough to be a boomer.
House was a very well written character. He's genuinely the smartest guy around, still, the temptation to golf club him and go for the Yes Man ending is so hard to resist.
i thought he was gonna betray me in the end so i went for the kill
and also i thought id get all of his caps
@@berto17 advice: save the game before doing dumb stuff like that
@@Luna-Lux"all unsaved data will be lost" -every video game ever made
I think the Think Tank may be smarter than him ,atleast doctor Klein.
@@6milhõesEm5AnosÉLorota
They compensate for that, though, by being unhinged over time. House not only seems to have retained his mental faculties, he almost seems robotic in how cunning and strategic he is, resisting the usual temptations in favor of calculating outcomes.
"I killed Caesar! :D" "Good for you, buddy. Well done. :)"
I like how you proudly showing Caesars body like a kid who just got his first fish catch and wanting your dad to be proud of it but somehow your dad is disappointed so you just ate it
"Any progress with the Boomers?"
"Well, I found this old guy..."
Bro imagine how absurdly badass and scary that is tho, imagine you being Mr.House and you witness the courier wipe out cottonwood cove and an ENTIRE LEGION CAMP ALONE, just to pick their leaders corpse and have the balls to drag him halfway across the mojave just to show it to you
He probably feels like he's looking at his pet cat bring in a dead mouse.
Halfway? across the WHOLE Mojave?
Which is it? Halfway or whole? 😅
@@toe_sucker_4165only difference, the cats killed and brought an ocelot home
@@dodojesus4529he wants to deny the courier their primate triumph in an attempt to sound a barbaric yawp.
@@PerfectAlibi1 It was over the whole half!
Ceasar's salad new formula!
**with real chunk inside!**
Well I mean unlike the white gloves you aren’t bound by the ‘Don’t eat people clause’. I’m sure eating Caesar also has no impact on Houses calculations and of course House has no intention of policing what people do in their spare time.
He would probably appreciate it if you didn't do so in his field of vision, though
Yet beforehand he warns you "not to harm one hair on Caesar's head" as "he would be of great use to him." 🤔
he was probably more useful alive than dead.
@@LordTyph
Only because the world doesn't know what condition Caesar's in. If you don't kill him, the tumor will. You basically have to be deliberately going the Caesar route and curing his brain tumor personally. Even if he's still alive, by the time of the Dam Battle, those Securitrons under his fort will have reduced him to ash on the way out.
I think House would have preferred to be the one to kill him, in spectacular fashion. His loose lips do tell that "the Legion is still monster enough that defeating it will make me like mighty indeed", hinting to his intentions. Personally humiliating Caesar would definitely have been a feather in his cap!
@@DreamersOfReality
And, given the Securitrons are right underneath his feet, I'm guessing he and his camp go up in smoke in the Yes Man and House paths. Good warning to the NCR, you might want to back off unless you want to be their next target.
Caesar doesn't exactly have many hairs on his head to harm.
*waves caesars dead body right in front of the screen*
mr house: any progress with the boomers?
"I tried, but they can't figure out the Caps Lock key or how to copy and paste"
Love that he brought Caesar's dead body. 😂 Such sas.
Courier: I did it Mr. House! I killed Caesar!
Mr. House: So anyways, here's my speech about how the legion won't be defeated by loss of their leader.
Courier: Did you not pay attention to the body i carried all the way across the Mojave?
so were having little caesars tonight?
You where holding Caesar like some kind of offering 😂
"Doesn't matter, they're still dangerous. Also, now they will un-dangerous themselves. Also, they are still dangerous."
Dude what?
It mean they gonna be dangerous at the beginning because they gonna want to honor Caesar, then they will make him a deity. And after all that, they will get break from the inside by themselves.
It's like what happen to the real ancient Rome.
Courier: *KIlls the leader of one his largest enemies, preventing many years of war in the future between the two"
House: "Its irrelevant since it doesnt effect the next month of my life"
Typical businessman, concerned only with the next fiscal quarter of conquest.
@@andrewstewart1464to be fair, the next financial quarter literally has a massive battle that will determine the fate of the entire mojave (and him). Its understandable he's focused on that.
@@idcgaming518 Basically this
"The day you killed Caesar was the most important day of your life. For me, it was Tuesday."
The long-term only matters when you can survive beyond the short-term. Imagine you find a gold mine in the middle of the desert. You would be rich beyond your wildest dreams, but that gold mine only matters if you have enough food and water to survive getting back to civilization.
I find curious and funny how is it that people get in conversations and entire debates about whether the NCR or the Legion will take control of the Mojave...when the the game not only reveals that Caesar is slowly decaying, but also many characters mention directly at the player that the moment he perishes, the legion will start to crumble.
Because players put more thought into the possible future of the legion than even obsidian did. Lanius doesn’t care about the legion, he cares about conquest and battle and he said so himself. If given the chance to avoid governing he would do so. So in the event of Caesar’s death who actually takes over? Who is actually capable of leading the legion, he is a very very intelligent, capable, logistical, and high ranking praetorian who even caesar himself says no one would dare to challenge? Lucius. Lucius is the commander of the guard, the most senior ranking member, the most experienced both tactically and combat wise, and the most capable of leading. Logic dictates that Lucius would be the one to take over the legion not lanius and that lanius would gladly let him if it meant lanius kept his position as a combat active general in the legion while Lucius took over the governing body with immediate support from the rest of the legion who know him, respect him, and would follow his orders.
@@thehorrorhound6575Literally Who-cius?
@@batrachian149 so you didn’t really play the game
@@thehorrorhound6575 The Joke
My dude, Lucius is some rando that gets blasted in Caesar's tent to most players, and to the rest of them he's literally just Some Guy. He's not notable in any way, and certainly not capable of taking over for Caesar. After all, they both have 4 INT lol
@@batrachian149 the lore begs to differ. Lucius has been the head of Caesar’s elite guard for so long that no one has challenged him for his spot in years. Caesar himself says “it’s either out of respect or fear” if you choose to kill Caesar during his tumor surgery it’s Lucius who is the quest giver for the remainder of the story. Because even new Vegas devs knew “this is the logical guy to take over”.
As for calling him a rando no one cares about you should speak for yourself. I got my dick ripped off verbally by 30 different comments yesterday for not remembering chomp Lewis had a daughter.
I thought the thumbnail was something designed for the video and then chuckled when I realized what was actually going on.
Mr. House's reaction is in stark contrast to Joseph Joestar's.... 😂
So much depth in this game that was lost in FO4, if you kill the leader of factions in that game theres no dialogue options
It's a nice thing to fluff up the world a bit, but these dialogue options are also basically just the game's meta way of handwaving an important person dying but the finale staying identical. Ideally there would be some kind of tangible effect to killing Caesar in non-Legion playthroughs, even if it was only more ending slides.
But the effect is exactly the same regardless. The accomplishment of killing Caesar is belittled by both dialogue and practical effect as it makes no discernible difference in the way the plot plays out moving forward. All New Vegas is doing that Fallout 4 doesn't is to condescendingly inform you that your actions don't matter if they don't fit into the neat little box of how it wants its narrative to go. Cheap window-dressing of 4 lines of dialogue or not, the actual end result is in all effective and meaningful ways the same: limiting, dismissive, and shallow.
@@TheRPGenius
House explained why it wouldn’t impact the battle, though. It is also commented on by a multitude of characters from varying walks of life. So even in-game, it definitely FEELS like you did something notable.
In the game, House says Caesar’s death will eventually lead to division and civil war within the Legion. But immediately following it, they have a goal. They have a single, unifying purpose and multiple years of pre-established preparation and training to accomplish. Boone also has dialogue about it. He says not only is there already a clear, determined line of succession, but the NCR also has intel Caesar isn’t running the military anymore. He’s essentially a figurehead by the time you kill him.
There are both character interactions which comment on your action, which let’s you get more insight into a variety of characters and factions. From legionaries swearing to kill you, to NCR praise to House’s dismissal. There are also satisfying and consistent lore explanations for why it doesn’t stop them attacking. It’s why the final boss in 3/4 runs isn’t Caesar, but the Legate.
New Vegas is a game that does way better than FO4, FO3, pretty much all Bethesda games and most other games in general at allowing the players to make, and responding to, decisions. But it just can’t have you stop the second battle of Hoover Dam. The games entire buildup is dependent on it.
EDIT: grammar.
@@realdaggerman105
Probably the one person who takes Caesar's death the most seriously if you tell him is Joshua Graham. He knew the Legion, better than anyone, so he knows just how significant it is. It's easy to see the Legion, as an outsider, and think it won't matter much, but Graham knows that only Caesar could really lead. If you don't kill Lanius at the Dam, he drives the Legion into the ground.
@@TheRPGenius Fun Fact- Killing Edward before talking to Hanlon about his false radio calls gives you an option to tell him, which causes him to not off himself at the end of the quest.
Weird how in almost literally every single attempt someone makes to try and put the bugthesda games above New Vegas falls flat when you actually play the game for yourself.
An excellent analysis by Mr House. Think of the defeats of the Persians by the Greeks. They still kept coming back for more. As a player the opportunity to depose Caeser would have been interesting. Plus if the player wants to be really evil perhaps a centurion as a companion. Great for a melee/unarmed build if you add Rex or ED-E. Thoughts on the best brain transplant for Rex might be interesting as the Violetta brain didn't cut it. Roughly 10% speed increase when it should have been 100%. All the best NV devotees
"I killed Caesar."
"Doesn't matter."
"I crippled the NCR."
"It makes no difference."
"I think we can skip the Brotherhood."
"YOU WOULDN'T DARE!"
Not gonna lie, House makes it very difficult not to kill him - with his constant bullshit...
Holy shit you go hard!! Laughed liek crazy at the end.
"By my calculations, his death will affect the shape of the battle for Hoover Dam minimally, if at all."
This is 100% it tbh.
The Legion soldiers are more work than Caesar and the Legate put together.
Caesar is an old man who has amnesia-inducing seizures, and the Legate can just be talked down gently.
Caesar doesn't have amnesia, he has a pretty nasty malignant brain tumor though
Mr House really said "He dead? Cool. Moving on."
Lore of Mr.house's reaction after you kill caesar momentum 100
I've played this game for more than a decade, but until now I'Ve never noticed that this is the same voice actor who played Odo on Deep Space Nine.
René Auberjonois.
Plot twist: Vulpes Inculta take control and command of the Legion.
Legion ferry operator; "oh k what do i have today?..looks like courier 6, arcade gannon, that weird eyebot thing and the corpse of my current leader...seems legit, ready..."
always nice to have a little snack after talking to house
If you want to build an eternal empire, I got bad news for you, son...
"That was an improvement, but its not hard to improve on garbage. Try again." -
Captain Price somewhere
That ending got me howling with laughter
*drops body in front of House*
“wtf do you mean is there ANYTHING ELSE I wanna discuss???”
You brought his body back like a trophy
Like a cat with a mouse
"I killed House."
"Yes, I can tell. These screens are two-way, you know. It's not as if it matters, really. Not in the immediate short-term or however long you stretch the game while you dawdle about in the wastes."
I say this with no hyperbole:
Brutal!
Somebody sh1t on my window. HELP ME CLEAN THE DOODY! 😭
"What else did you want to discuss?
. . .
Are you eating the body?"
He must have been a lovely snack at the end there
"Can I eat it?"
"...yes, but take it outside would you? If I could smell it, I would say it's starting to make the place stink."
Lmao at bringing caesar's corpse up to the Lucky 38 like a cat bringing you a bird it killed
This madman drug the body all the way across the wasteland
Not what I had in mind as a "Little Caesars" for dinner
House was like "meh, you want a cookie?"
waht else did you want to discuss?
"wanna piece?"
“Sometimes a fella’s gotta eat a fella” - the ghoul
_ Well, a simple "Amazing!" would be just fine too, but.. yeah..
Mr Horse:As much as I appreciate the fact that you bring his body right here with the various monsters but. SHIT, I understand, doesn't have a lot of options to eat, but I needed to do it here??!!
The party hat.
Wait how did you drag a body through like doors and stuff??
the ending got me xD
He didn't call him Kaisar like everyone
That outfit LOLLL
Geez a thank you would've been nice
Courier 6: Nonchalantly carries Caesar's body in
Mr House: Any progress with the boomers?
Do you want some Lettuce to go with that Caesar.?
mr. house: caesar is dead?
oh no!
....anyway.
You dragged his body through Mojave Desert!?
Props to the player who dragged this dead body all the way till Mr House just for him to say that 😂. What a bummer
This si one of the things that always gets to me. Obviously the Legion is a screwed up place but as Raul points out the region was horrific before they arrived and them being there is the main reason raiders arent cannibalizing everyone that dares form a town. The collapse of the Legion would create a power vaccum that would ruin the lives of all the regular people under Legion rule that could say "Well at lest they keep the raiders away and the septims flowing". When I play other factions I wish there was a way to still save Ceasar so at least after beating them the collapse out east wont be as catostropic and maybe they can try and cobble something together that will keep some it together
Bro dragged his body across the map?
I’ve been playing this game modded for a looooooooooooooooooooooong time and I forgot how orange the tint is, dang.
Legit, it brushed against ruining the game for me on the first couple play-throughs...
First time ive ever heard riven.
What else did you wanna discuss??
*NOMNOMNOM*
Hey House, you know what won't make you look powerful? This golf club
Yeah whatever house
You stole Benny's coat?
Leaders when you do a good job
Yes man: well done
Caesar: well done
Ncr: good job
House: ....meh
They both dismiss eachothers deaths
I completely agree with Mr House argument about Ceasar
D.... DID YOU JUST DRAG A CORPSE HALFWAY ACROSS THE DAMN MOJAVE FOR THIS?!!?
I may be a little late to the party, but how do you deal with doors/loading screens while holding a body? I wanted to drag ED-E to scrapyard that way, but the first doors in Mojave express were the ultimate boss of my adventure.
they will have spawned Caesar in that room using console commands, killed him, then picked up his body:D
@@UpIsNotJumprandom upisnotjumpscare
Was that Caesar salad good?
Smh I hate that no decisions in New Vegas matter
How the hell did you get that corpse through loading zones?
CAESERRRRRRER
I hate how the game forces u to kill the brotherhood of steel when u side with eveyone except yes man
with the ncr you can also ally with them
I wonder if there's an video on killing every single human at least once in fallout
Several. I love the one by Nerbit, however you may just google "Can you beat NV while killing everyone"
@@MrH4nky okay then.
Caesar salad
People say that House is a psychopath and a tyrant. Meanwhile any time you disobey his orders you're met with casual indifference (with the exception of the platinum chip, but given how long he was waiting for that thing and how important it was to his plans thats understandable)