How to BEAT the 250w ebike RULE!!!
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This is actually one of the best electrical bike channels that I have been on. I’m very content I got to start watching a lot more of your stuff.
id love to know who in the UK is concerned about legalities when the whole country is overrun with balaclava’d up surron gangs and the cops don’t care. i don’t think id lose any sleep over a specced up pedal assist
I was thinking this
Yup
Great commentary on 250w it's not enough for the roads , 1000w is just enough for hills . The government is afraid of people abandoning cars and fuel duties for sensible electric pedal cycles !
To be fair my 1000w hub motor bike can fly up any hills near me without pedalling and I've never seen anybody on a normal bike able to get up that hill.
If they can’t tax it they don’t care. Its not about our safety, clearly, its not about “clean air”, its all about the money and we, donkeys, need to obey their rules, and it seems we are very, very obedient. I got a 750W and I’m quite happy but tired of being worried. And 750W is not powerfull enough sometimes , but at least is decent motor. Re-thinking the UK ebike laws will be a miracle. And I don’t believe in miracles when it comes to governments.
@@cipri198zeroI have the same situation, I'm from Germany, I have a 1000 watt bike and a 48 volt battery, I ride according to the rules, on bike paths, I very rarely reach a speed of 40 km / h because I save battery ..
Mostly I ride within 30km/h, I like the traction of my bike and how nimble it is, but sometimes I get paranoid about the law, if they ever get caught, it will be bad...
I myself am from Ukraine, in Ukraine there is a law, if an e-bike does not exceed 3 kilowatts, it does not need rights and so on ...
They're scared they can't track you because you haven't got numberplates on a pushbike.
Same stick with 250w. I don't need powerfully as 1000w but atlest 500w or 750w.
Most systems tested by underwriters have to pass with not an 100 percent but 125 percent, That said this is why I love this tech! I got two E-BMX bikes that are up volted. Had an Old lady buy one of my E-BMX with a 36 volt 750 watt direct drive motor. After she had it a few weeks she called me and asked if I could make the bike go faster?! Yes. Yes I can.
This channel blows all the other e-bike channels out of the water. I would love to buy a bike from such a talented geezer. Hopefully one day I will ?
He would need to sell them incomplete basically as a pedal bike with accessories on it. Which you would then complete by buying a part that completes the circuit so he doesn't get done for selling karenators.
Good video... I think the word you were angling for is 'Finesse' in relation to the dangerous pedal assist we have in the UK - I totally agree. A throttle option and 20mph limit would be perfect for most. keep up the good work.
I have a 250w pedal assist carrera bike. It is super slow compared to the flow of traffic.
It's extremely unsafe still to ride, despite the motor. Going slow is unsafe, not sure why our laws don't recognise that.
@@goinawol9447 lol yep I also own one of those Halfords bikes.
I agree current rules are not quite up to it. I think for big bloke on a steep hill you need 750W for a hub, geared to work well up to 20mph, For sure a good mid drive 250w with well selected set of gears will work as well, but if you want an inexpensive solution (and you do) a Hub motor as the way to go
That's why I like bafang because you can reprogram them. I have 9 levels of assist in 10% power increments. low assist and low gear work great for slow speed maneuvers
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The UK law is mental on E bikes and e scooters, you can even get points on your real driving licence if you get caught breaking the law on one of these things. Id love to get in to E bikes, but just too scared of losing my driving licence. i just dont get it, i thought they wanted us to go green..
They do want us to go "green", but they can't allow us to be completely free in terms of mobility and, oviously, on health, thinking dor ourselves, war and armaments etc etc. We are slaves to them, not citizens.
Get a 250w no throttle ebike you'll be fine. Even if u go above that chances you getting stopped is zero let's be honest
Law is a myth , gangs of men collect and naming themselves government . Not only uk all world
You had me at Karen .... scrolling comments now for a chuckle
Love it! im stuck on a mobility scooter 4mph on pavement (yep I agree with that), 8mph on the road, load of bollox, its so dangeous being so slow on the road.
I’m a wheelchair user, purchase yourself a 500w electric hand bike ( cost £780) and then get the cheapest wheelchair you can find to attach it to, does 23mph, much better than the 8mph they expect you to travel
@@applekidn1 Thanks for the reply Aaron, a friend of mine has an electric bike, I did try it and I will say I did like it but the problem is that I have to carry too much and I dont have the strength to carry it in a backpack, im just slightly too ill to manage that, it was something I thought about for quite a while but after trying it I just couldnt manage it :(
@@DenBlackburn How about an electric trike?
@@ianmooney6380 Thats not a bad idea and something I have not looked into, if it had peddles then its a cyclical and has the same rules as a 2 wheel bike, cheers ;)
Karens everywhere man 😆⚡⚡I like the high power stuff but whatever for whomever I suppose... 🤷♂️
Yes but why would you strap a 1000 watt motor onto a piece of shit 200 quid bicycle shaped object? It's just a nasty accident waiting to happen.
That is brilliant, well done. A copper told me when he pulled me over on his bike that my bike was illegal because I had a thumb throttle, and its only legal if its pedal assist only.
Some other copper on his ebike agreed with me that No Throttle rule is daft because if you are old and you have to stop when going up a hill then it is too hard to get going again, so whats the point of the ebike when a hill start is worse because of the extra weight than a manual bike!
The laws have to change because things have moved on and they want more people out of cars, I am hoping the legal limit will be 750w
they would already have had everyone out of cars if there was something in it for them
You can legally have a throttle now. It’s just limited to 3.7mph. Then you need to pedal like normal
Im chuckling... Looking at getting an electric bike , opened this and smiled..
So on my level, if i knew you id be round yours helping and loving it.
Thanks Alan
Love it, the intro. Annoys me when people say they have a whopping great motor capable of many watts, yet a battery and controller incapable of outputting anywhere near. Be careful of that little hub overheating. It'll take a lot lot more than its rating under normal use. You know this already 🤣
This. Any hub can take any amount of power, if the controller lets it. "250W" is just a bunch of numbers and letters, and depends totally on the battery and controller used to feed it current. Given the speed he made, I'd say that's putting out at least 1000w now. Probably closer to 1.2-1.5k (I had a 1k w bike, it didn't hit that speed). But is it rated for it? Will it overheat and burn out under heavy load uphill? That's the real question with this build.
@@necroticavalon5176 Lol 1kw, not a chance. My "250w" bafang will hit those speeds lol it is 36v and the display says it hits maybe 350-400w. Ive seen 1000w bikes going MUCH MUCH faster than 30mph, try 50+
@@dunxy Ok, link me a vid where a 1kw motor goes 50mph, and I'll believe it. Unless you mean kph, that's an outside possibility. I have an unrestricted 1kw hub motor on my bike, it can go that fast, but with a LOT of pedalling to help it out. On it's own power, it tops around 42kph on the flat. Mph, not a chance. Maybe down a steep hill, WITH pedaling.
@@necroticavalon5176my ebike has a 750W motor, 48V battery,my own top speed is 54km/h with throttle only, never tried it with assist to see if I can beat that.
i agree that 250w is not enough for heavier riders like me ,and ive had trouble in the past with controllers overheating and motors burning out ,so i had a 500w ebike kit fitted to a bike and it works much better
Are the police likely to stop you on a 500w bike instead. I have a 250w ebike conversion kit right now and I'd like to go a little faster than 15mph.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe probably not as long as you are riding sensibly
@@richardmachin8357 I'd like to be able to go up to 25-30mph just to be able to keep up with traffic a bit better as I always get overtaken and some people get a bit too close.
I saw plenty of these as repairs for my bicycle business during COVID 19 . The big problem with 5 kilowatt and above motor set ups is the battery range is not good compared to Bosch set ups . The high current draw can damage the batteries , this can be a fire risk and the batteries flatten in under 20 minutes at 75 percent duty cycle or above . 10 percent of the battery capacity (stamina) is unusable to prevent cell damage .
The controllers sometimes get hot so this is battery energy lost so this has to be factored into calculating distance capability and discharge time in minutes .
I just joined. I always wondered how a 250W could get 30mph. Now I know, thanks to you. I'm going to build one.
The motor is 350w not 250w...
@@zgabeartzaiftodie8615 How do you know?
@@zgabeartzaiftodie8615 its 250, he says so in the video.
@@seanclark5165 "250w isn't that bad if you throw a bit more power at it", that's what he said. 250w hub motor won't even do 20 mph on flat ground.
@@bence.gabor.slezakwrong. The Bafang 250w rear hub motor on my 36v battery easily hits 22mph on flat. And thats just a basic setup. I havnt even thrown a 48v battery at it yet.
If you have a 250w motor and you arent hitting at LEAST 20mph on a flat. You either got ripped off and got a shit brand motor or had no idea what you were doing choosing a compatible battery for it.
I agree about having a throttle on ebikes it helps when pulling out of busy junctions or crossing busy roads etc and is more safer than just using some types of pedal assist alone
absolutely - it just shows the level of consideration they gave their 'safety rules' about ebikes that they can't even pop a 'throttle to 8mph is okay' clause in there
@@user-ot1dv6ri4f agreed even an 8 mph throttle would be better than none in some situations.
@@tomjones715 yeah just a 'get going' button at which point you're pedaling anyway. better than limping out of junctions praying to the roundabout gods that mrs schoolrun actually sees you because I swear to god I have a middle aged woman set on 'accidentally' killing me and just keeps showing up in various different wigs and cars and I look that bitch right in the eyes every time because if she's gonna kill I'm holding eye contact as I go down
@Advanced Driving is really superman.
You want the torque sensing version
i cycle every day at 22ish mph with just my legs alone, can't believe more powerful e bikes aren't allowed and have to be limited to 15mph
I have one myself that can go 60km plus but you can understand why you can’t have w bikes going 50km/h just isn’t that safest thing
I don't even need a mega fast e-bike, just one that can keep up with normal street traffic
@@morechibu1708 nop that isn't the issue, petrol/gas scooters still exist and they want to sell as much as possible and as much fuel as possible, they just don't wanna kill the 50cc scooter market as of yet.
But isn't that the point? You can still peddle at 22mph (or faster) but you get some assistance up to 15 and to get a jump from lights etc. If it's just a powered vehicle doing 30mph with no input from the rider then it falls under the road traffic act, i.e. it's a moped, which seems clear to me.
I have to correct you on one point, which was a fairly significant part of your presentation/ You kept mentioning that you thought pedal assist was dangerous because of the fierce and uncontrolled startup, but AFAICS, you have a KT controller that doesn't give that issue. Maybe you never tried a KT controller before, It's fundamentally different to the others in that it uses current control instead of speed control, provided that you set that option in the settings ( P3=1). With a KT controller, you can also set the throttle to be dependent on pedalling to make it legal. That way, it works as an instant power over-ride when you're pedalling with a lower assist level.
Rounded Allen head? Ball ache! Tap a slightly larger torque bit ie T27 or whatever in the head and crank it off, can be used again
It's all about money when it comes to these laws, the government doesn't want us commuting around quickly/convenientlyfor free/cheap..
If ebikes are going 30mph thats the average of what a car does and people will less likely drive or use public transport.
It's a mode of transport that sees no profit in the eyes of the government.
But France legalised Sit down scooters and standing scooters. Created a new category for them. No license required.
I really like your no BS video .I feel your advice is real .I want to overvolt an 180 watt 24volt
Any one or thing that pisses off a Karen, in my books is a Hero. Rock on Bro.
The 250w and max speed law is utterly stupid, it comes from a time when law makers did not understand the emerging ebikes and no doubt most of the law makers profit heavily from oil and seen the popularity of early ebikes as a threat. When i first got into ebikes it was to be used as a commuter to make life easier going to work when there was high winds and I started looking at 1000w bikes and those enduro style ones but more research told me they where illegal, so i settled for a 250w and well was utterly disappointed as my 1999 mountain bike was able to cruse easily at 25mph on the flat ( with no wind ) , and with the ebikeit stopped at 15.5 and due to the gearing you had to pedal like a mad man just to get close to 17 and even then I was easily being over taken but other cyclists and people on road bikes flew past me like i was standing still.
Since then I upgraded to a 48v battery and at the time a LCD3 display and set a few settings and it was better and gave me a higher top speed than the 37v but then later swapped out the controller for a 1000W and oddly enough i did not gain any top speed ( think this was perhaps due to the motor winding's )but the starting torque was insane, later on i swapped out the motor for a 1000w direct drive and have had that since.
But yeah the law is utterly stupid and outdated when compared to ones over in the EU or over in the US where they are more reasonable with the power / speed / throttle rules, it just seems logical to me that if all these new 20mph limited roads are the new thing to make roads safer for cyclists that ebikes should at least be able to reach 20mph like every other cyclist, and then the power well 250w limit makes no sense and shows they are ignorant of the tech as 250w motor is not what really limits top speed as set at a software level not hardware, and there is a huge safety advantage to having a higher watt motor as it allows you to accelerate faster not only at lights but also to get out of a situation .
I read the other day its because the powers to be don't want to destroy the moped market.
@@I2383R Piaggio were part of the law making which is why I fu**ing hate them .
What do you like more, direct drive or geared?
@@I2383R obviously, there are reg mopeds up to 25km/h and the licensed ones up to 45km/h (in here atleast)
the ebike classes are the same speed limits
the watt ratings are most likely both to not destroy the moped market AND.. to limit Chinese import so we have to buy overpriced Bosch etc. motors (which funds the EU because of taxes, derp) if we want a decent experience as they sure as hell peak much higher in power than the 250W rating
they just want us to pay a ton of money on overpriced garbage.
I think they should just scrap the current uk ebike laws and start a fresh, and allow up to at least a 550w motor with at least a 20 mph speed limite and allow ebikes to have throttles as well.
It rounds off because its chinese steel. In Australia it is called cheese.
I like pedal assist on front hub motors, it gives the natural sensation of riding while transmissioning the power to the both wheels as you manually rotate the back wheel, motor rotates the front wheel, finding up a solution to age old question of how we can get AWD bikes.
Yup,I've had all the kits but I prefer the 250w geared front hub ,I put 55v at 22amps through it 🙏👍🤠🇬🇧
The secret to turning on a tight corner is to lightly pull on the brake so that the pas won't engage. I do that on my engwe engine x. In settings I changed the throttle so it's not matched to the level of assist. The throttle is 100% power and max speed.
That or set the slow start setting up a little. This way it does infact ramp up slowly each time you start peddeling instead of giving you full power all of the time.
WHAT!!!!!! Those bikes that you’ve been building are illegal to ride on your roads I didn’t know that that’s ridiculous and I think all your biulds are r awesome picked up on all your little tips and tricks appreciative to it✌🏻👊🏼
I signed a waiver and had a larger battery pack fitted to my 250w motor, the guy in the shop, who was German, said it pains him to say that the British make the best electric hub motors on the market, he was running his at 96v and reckoned it would do over 70mph and was scary AF 😂
Thankyou for this. I'm doing similar things and discovering what possibilities there are with Ebikes.
The battery mount problem - I had that problem also. At first solved it unsatisfactorilly by mounting it upside down. Then discovered that the plastic cover, at least on mine, when removed, allowed it to be mounted the other way.
Quite happy with 250W motors, had a rear hub. All I wanted it for was for help up hills.
My average speed was about 17mph.
If I want to go faster would want protection , and therefore put on my leathers, helmet, hop on the motorbike and ride like a bat out of hell.
Theres always that one stubborn screw in the disc! I thought it was just me!!
Keep up the wicked videos!
straight to point 🎯🎯🎯
Thank you 😊
Underrated little hubs if you're careful tho.
They do make for a light, economic bike, sometimes it's all you need
Haters will haters Steve. But atleast you keep it real!!!
Keep up the vids mate 👍🏿
Good looking bike, and it's still technically a 250 watt motor even if you push "slightly more" into it 😉.
I second the motion to name it the Karenator.
the Karenator, love it
my bike is 13kw does that count
So you can put a 48v battery on a 250w motor, without making the controller burst into flames 😁 but before i run to ebay to buy a 48v battery and 250watt sticker lol, he mentioned that he got a controller that could take 48volts. Im guessing thats likely why it worked.
Would i be able to safely run a 48v battery with the bafang 36V15A KT Controller? Or would it be too risky?
(Its the 250w bafang waterproof rear hub kit sold on ebay btw. Easy to look up)
@@Kumari_44 btw if you have an existing 36v battery you can just extend it to 48v, no need to buy a new one. MUCH cheaper.
@@Fanaz10 thanks man. I appreciate the reply. I’d have to upgrade to a 48v controller too right? As in i couldnt run that battery on my current 36v controller safely?
Funny how little things bother us. Well, I will tell you what took most of my attention in this video, the bloody plant behind the lamp. 🤣 Weird I know. I just couldn't get away from it. Great bike and video.
Absolutely with you mate. 15.5mph limit is a joke. Electric bikes are only to ride for over 14 year olds only, so why to make a speed limiter like for a 6 year olds
Hahaha brilliant! I Love your style, laughing at resistant people is the best way to use them, spending your life worrying about other people is a total waste of the most beautiful gift the Universe has to offer, it's absurd and therefore hilarious, thank you. Hahaha
I got a carrera vengeance E bike and i call it KITT as it tends to fuck off on its own, which can be fun off road
I’ve seen a guy (sort of) beat the no throttle rule by just using a pedal assist sensor on the crank, but having no chain, so just giving the cranks a good spin basically works as a throttle but legal
Toke my PAS out aswell few months back. Never going back i can finally upshift while slowing down for a red light.
My project - Cheapo Kent Thruster fixie frame, north road handle bars, monark style springer fork with disk brake tabs, cottered crank set, 26 inch beach cruiser wheels, Brooks b67 saddle, 500 watt 48 volt geared hub motor kit, triangle 48 volt 20 amp hour battery, seat post mounted cargo rack and military style canvas saddle bags.
Yeah we need that extra 5 mph that would be a sweet spot wouldn’t mind doing this build on a marlin 5 or Carrara Vengeance, nice one.
Great minds think alike 😎 im trying to get hold of either these two, or a vitas for my next build.
I think this might be the greatest RUclips channel I have ever com across
I liked this just cause you were having ago at the karens constantly.... time they were removed from the planet
The eBike law was written by lawyers thinking about motorbikes. In the law "Motor" means the whole thing battery/controller/motor. They were thinking "engine".
Upped my 24v 250w to 48V with 20A limit with a new controller . It now pulls around 900w and still looks weak but now does 35+mph.
How hot does it get?
@@yodab.at1746 barely warm. That's even after a solid hill climb. I think the hub used was actually rated for atleast 500w continuous but under run by the controller for the UK market. Economies of scale don't make sense to produce a few weaker motors for one country. Mine only pulls 900 Watts climbing hills. Cruising it's more like 3-500w depending on how heavy I am with the throttle.
@@Will-sc3hw Nice one, I just happen to have a 24v 250w hub sitting around, so I might just do what you have... 😁👍
So you can put a 48v battery on a 250w motor, without making the controller burst into flames 😁 but before i run to ebay to buy a 48v battery and 250watt sticker lol, he mentioned that he got a controller that could take 48volts. Im guessing thats likely why it worked.
Would i be able to safely run a 48v battery with the bafang 36V15A KT Controller? Or would it be too risky?
(Its the 250w bafang waterproof rear hub kit sold on ebay btw. Easy to look up)
@@Kumari_44I've done it 👍
Well done & well said, keep em coming 👍👍👍 PS. whats it like uphill ?
It's good to see someone speak so much sense.👍
THIS is what I've been looking for!
Not that I'm gonna use a 250 when there's 750 available, but I'm very rural here in the states, in fact where I live you might go as far agrarian, and the pigs here don't know watts from their asses and couldn't care less anyway. HERE I'm seeing the info I need to build me a sleeper.
Great video!! this guy doesn't f**k about
Straight to business bike goes like sh*t off a shovel excellent!!! New subscriber here 👍👍👍👍
I was just saying to a friend the other day,that the UK laws are stupid on ebikes. The pedal assist is dangerous at places like roundabouts where you would be far better off with a throttle,to get you upto speed quicker. The pedal assist takes a second or two to kick in. I have both pedal assist and throttle for this reason. Also I have a 250watt rear wheel motor and a 36 volt battery and on the flat I can get to 24mph,and with leg power I easily get to 30mph. 250 watt is not great on the hills around me in Sheffield though,but still a damn sight easier than a standard pushbike. I believe that a 500watt 28mph law would encourage far more people to commute by bike.
I love the fact that you built the bike in your lounge.
Ah yeah hahaha 😂
I have a 1000W Bafang with a 750W decal on it. :) A motor can be re-flashed\programed so peddle assist doesn't kick in right away. Adjust the "slow-start" mode to 8.
Would I get away with it in australia? Like with a 1kw
hub motors don't add to the weight supported by the frame so they are better than mid drive.
I totally agree with you about the pedal assist and the speed limit only rich tw@s in posh fast cars don't want to be overtaken by bicycles when they're sitting in traffic 🤔👍
Nice little ride mate.. Karenator lol.
Can't say i have had much real experience with 250w yet but am definitely looking to in the near future, i use bafang mid 750w but i think pedal assist on mostly all of these kits are about as sophisticated as the average karen!
Takes some time to really gain a good understanding of how assist actually works on whatever set up your on, and very sketchy and easily dangerous for a new rider with no experience, high pas, high gear, without thinking and low speed turn could spell disaster resulting in the need for some new pants.
But once you got the hang of it im definitely a fan..
Love all of your work mate from builds to life talks.. thankyou for the content!
All the best
Thanks haha my son also named this bike the Karenator 😂
You can tune the bafangs with the speed Android app off playstore using a programming cable get it to run exactly how you want it to.
imo the TSDZ2 got the pedal assist done perfectly, except for the fact it doesn't give a torque kick like the Bosch CX motor in Turbo or E-MTB mode and other issues with it, it is a great bit of kit but has some severe issues out of the box, ride it on a hot day at excessive speeds in turbo or using throttle for a long time and it's guaranteed you'll fry it, start/use it in too high of a gear and it's possible to strip the nylon gear by the torque aswell, so don't just hammer the throttle on a TSDZ2 in a very high gear
@@denseljosephs9500 problem with the normal conversion kits is that they don't have no torque sensing, so it just reacts to pedal speed rather than how much force you put in
TSDZ2 ? 🤔
this is the good development of the world
Useful.
I live in Russia and made a 1500w fatbike e-bike, but it consumes battery too fast and local laws demand a driving licence to ride these on roads. I'll make another 250w build on thin wheels to increase the range by two-fold at least (according to calculations), to comply with regulations and to make my go-to bike weight much less allowing me to carry it easily into transports and elevators
250 watts, 15.5 mph and no throttle allowed? They treat you guys like babies that can't make safe decisions on their own.
This might not mean too much to many, depends on ones build and energies... but I designed my mountain bike to be Dutch in style, and one finding I came up with on the peddling front (I'm a little underfit and overweight, but I do physical work every day and have kept going for years, though I love fitness), but I found a little revelation on bike seat position, the basics of what seems to be true based on my body is that where one positions and heightens the seat in relation to also having low handle bars can massively affect energy, but even with some mild road hills and trail hills, I can comfortably deal with them. Might make the difference between fun and hard work, have a great week all - peace /\
Always reinforce battery mounts with a couple of riv nuts makes the mounts super strong.
Wow i just learned something new
This! And they can be fit without any special tools, plenty of videos on YT. My battery mount is currently held on 3 screws/rivnuts(2 original ones and I added 1), and its fairly solid already. But I'm going to add 1 more screw later anyway..
"Grin Bottle Bob / Double Bob" is awesome to secure the Battery to a bike frame.
anybody than can piss the Karens off is alright by me
Great video. You're my kind of guy - a real Murphyist complete with appropriate cussing. I'm subbed!
F....NG BRILLIANT MAN!!!
Wow...we need you here in Germany with all these 'Granny style Pedelecs' here!
😂😂😂🤘
Thr cars and trucks have had their time...... EBike revolution
I have pushed 750w peak through a cheap 250w geared hub motor, it still works.
Did you use the 36v controller? or did you have to upgrade the controller and get a 48v one to match the 48v battery instead?
Yeah the person who designed those battery mounts deserves to be punished. Life is too short to ride legal 250W setups. Your 250 is faster than my 1000W, well done.
Yeah I was thinking the same. I have a 1000w 48v (granted only a 20amp controller tho), And his 250 has the same top speed as me 😆 And his acceleration with throttle is a bit better.
your life will definitely be shorter when you get killed because the 250w can barely accelerate out of danger . law is an ass
Guys your bikes are fine the fact is he’s running 15-20 odd amps through this 250w motor your 1000 will take a lot more than that and also will stay colder as it’s designed to take more power
Strange. In my country they updated the max power continuous current to 1000w just to bikes. scooters still 250w law.
Now I can build my 1000w 60v
I love the idea of e bikes and I'd love to own one that's legal. Unfortunately this chap bless him is braking the law by having a throttle and exceeding the power limit. Yes his motor is a legal 250w. Unfortunately because the bike can do more than the 15.5mph and is self-propelled it comes under the class of a motocycle and would need to have registered the bike along with obtaining insurance and must wear a helmet. I'd love to see the law change as I think this is a brilliant way to get about. Quite/ 0 co2 / cheap mode of transport
Hi Steve. I'm a new subscriber to your channel and I agree with you 100% all the bollocks we have to put up with in the UK. Please don't laugh. I would love this sort of setup on my 20-inch wheel fold up bike. Because of my disability and health. I can't get my leg over the top bar of a standard sized bike. ❤ your channel
You're right about pedal assist kicking in can be dodgy, so reset the number of pedals before it kicks in higher, that should help.
The only laws where I live, in CA, are e-bikes aren't supposed to faster than 22mph or 35kph or they are in another class of vehicles.
22 is much better than 15.5 here
@@DudeStuff 22 would be lovely. 15 is a joke and arguably dangerous.
Had me at "for all the Karens" 😂😂
31 miles per hour, out of a 250 W hub motor that's impressive, nice build.
You're making me want to turn my bike into an e bike 😁👍
Checkout the tongsheng tsdz2.
Sure, put a big controller and battery, and run a 1000w through a "250w" hub. Problem is, it's not rated to take that kind of current. I'd be nervous about that thing overheating and burning out on a hot summer day uphill. I hope you had some good cooling in mind for it.
Nah ,I've been putting 55v at 22amps through my 250w geared motor for 5 years now and not a problem, here in England 🇬🇧 it hardly ever gets hot enough to warm the motor or controller 😅
@@ianmangham4570 Good for you! Over here in Croatia, that would fry the motor during summer, on its first climb uphill XD
@@necroticavalon5176 Never gets warm here 🇬🇧 🤠🤟
I'm building 2 E Bikes and I've had to use a 10 ton Press, Arc Welder, Angle Grinders, Bench Drill and loads of Spanners and an Electric Impact Driver to fit the motor in the right place !!! How they do it in India with a Hammer and a Spanner and a Screwdriver is Beyond Me !!!! A sledge hammer won't bend the mounting plate !!! Of course, nothing fits properly without a lot of work, but now I've got the motors fitted it's getting a lot easier !!!! You need to be able to move the motor a bit to adjust the slack on the motor drive chain because it's bound to stretch !!!!
That was great, shame I cant afford to buy any of yours!
Nice build Steve. Yeah pedal assist on these builds are a nightmare and you are right also dangerous and unpredictable for small maneuvers. Catch you on the next one.
I generally leave off PAS on my build because to me they can be very dangerous doing curb jumping and such. I only use a half throttle and manually pedals at normal bicycle speeds. but my builds are for the hills here in Georgia and we can have 1000 watts here on the street.
with Kunteng (KT) controllers you can buy a torque PAS sensor for around 80
@@dalvenable331 torque PAS is very safe compared to cadence PAS though
@@BH4x0r I have used an 48 volt mid drive system that for some reason feels right?, when using a pedal assist system. More so than most Hub drive systems. The best use for pedal assist to me seems be on low wattage systems 750w or less. I don't trust anything other than a throttle for the 1000w and larger systems because you really are entering Moped/mini bike power level. 750w is about 1 hp. And I try to build my Ebikes as light as possible and keep the bicycle aspect of it alive and kicking. I like having the option to just pedal my bike around but hit the throttle and get threw traffic lights or up those really long hills, I am 59 after all.
@@BH4x0r Cadence PAS + 1000w direct drive hub motor = Road rash.
Great results, and I totally agree on pedal assist. On tight bends bike want to kill you, unless you drop to 1 or something
I drop it to 0 assist when U turn. Its stupid. Lucky I have a throttle….
Big respect bro❤
Just subbed. Glad to see I'm not the only one who sees how ridiculous the laws are. I'm a safety conscious person but legal motors are useless if you want a bike for car replacement, hills or if you're disabled or old.
I agree I have a disability and use mine for mobility.
@@scotscub76 for me it is weight, wind and hills. Don't understand why we can't have a 100 quid day course that trains you to a basic level and then tests and licenses you for a more powerful motor. I literally own a semi automatic rifle, but I can't have a 251-1000w ebike? Seems dumb to me, even dumber for disabled people who actually NEED it to be able to fully enjoy the sport.
@@ddood8563 Absolutely and you cant keep up in traffic lanes. Itd be safer allowing us to go up to 20mph like USA.
Or heavy
@@nolanr1400 Yeah, my issue xD
Nice HiFi mate we have the same taste I have Amp and CD Mission speakers full retro people think is a couple of years old its that good looking
Top speed don't really matter to me. Hill climbing ability does as I live in Norf Whales. I re spoked a 250 w direct drive hub into a 20 inch rim and built my own frame Now I can go pretty much anywhere
Keep doing what your doing mate the faster the bike goes the less time the Karen’s have to look at them
I totally agree with the pedal assist issues that’s why I just got a throttle as well because unless you turn the bike off every u turn or situation in general the assist becomes a hazard then that’s just plain stupid as well unless your riding it with no power at the time anyway. It’s all the same old shit they want to take everything they can and make more money off of the general public and control you to do things other often times dumb and inconvenient and costly ways possibly dangerous even and put dampers on the progression of good living. Pathetic and sad really but that’s why you fight right back.
Great Karen-Proto build... got me wondering if I could do something like this to my Voodoo Bizango 29er? Looks loads of fun and not too complicated
It sounds like you have a modern circular type rear wheel dropout. If so, then you need a different type of motor! Not easy!
Great video 250W nice job, looks good as well.
UK electric bike /scooter law is bs i know a guy who just got sentenced to 6 weeks for riding an e scooter.
If you are over 17 and have a full driving licence you should be alowed to ride at least 750 watts with a throttle as well as bike insurance with public liability is only £40 a year.
That's the way to do it Steve! I've got a couple of 250w bikes running 52v batteries. Great fun!
What controllers are you running on those I was thinking about trying 250w on my hulk smash bike that's already 52v
Top job.
@@DudeStuff I reckon that you could put a 750w, 1000w etc controller with it. Or you could just wack a higher voltage capacitor onto a 250w controller.
@@DudeStuff I used a KT controller from a 1000w kit that I had on 1, and a phaserunner on another for a while until I fitted it to another bike, then changed to a KT. Works great, around 28mph on a heavy (46kg) 26" cruiser bike, and 25mph on a 20x4 fat bike
@@DudeStuff what's the max amp output for the battery you have there is it a 48v 40a bms?
Great video - I'm going to go and watch all your others now.
Your bike is a unit! I love it!
I love my little cadence sensing e-bike 750 W, yes you have to pay attention because one revolution you get nothing the next one it just starts bucking, add a bit of excitement but you have to know how to control them, just set up the American model mostly 750 W with the accelerator of 20 miles an hour or less if the UK thinks that hilariously quick but I’ve got a road bike that’s a lot quicker than the 750 W
Nice bike, I ride an illegal in inverted comments bike but as there are no plod policing the roads anymore certainly not in the back end of Kent unless you’re a complete tool your never going to get stopped.
funny thing is the Bosch Perf CX middrives easily put in about 700+W so just build a 700+W ebike and call it 250 nominal lol
Get it up them buddy great upload pal.
Welcome back to nothin ecer goes fucking right for me ever, part 2 😅😂
Professional spandex dudes can pedal bicycles over 40 miles per hour the best are able to get to 45 mph on flat surface for short bursts.