Anybody that wants to have a bit of fun in the UK is always shut down. Big brother health and safety laws they would rather you were locked up in your home.
Pedal assist is brilliant, I got 16 miles on throttle on my 250w 13ah kit and with pedal assist level 3-4 got 42 miles, also most throttles are junk had it for 2 weeks and briloke did not bother replacing as not needed
I'm in Australia and I have never and do not intent to ever follow the laws regarding ebikes. I've spoken to police about my bike they had no issues with it, despite the fact I ride it in full motorcycle gear.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe hey bro I got 1,500w 48v 40mph 29" fat tire ebike, I'm in uk want to group up and find other people and go on mad rides to London bridge ?
It's a nice looking build, and I absolutely agree a throttle is much more precise. That "delay" for pedal assist depends on the pedal sensor and the controller programming. I use a Phaserunner controller on mine, and have the pedal assist set to engage the motor right when my natural pedaling takes the slack out of the chain. It's about a quarter turn of the crank when the bike is already moving, and I also programmed it to apply the power smoothly instead of just turning it on abruptly. Your example of going that fast with only 250 watts is why limiting power is not a logical method of restricting speed. In the US, they don't pay much attention to power, as long as the speed is limited. Many bike companies that sell over here openly advertise 1000, 2000, 3000 watt peak motors, but if they are delivered with a 20mph speed limit, it's ok. Thanks for the video!
I have found the same with my e-trike that the number of magnets and brand of the pedal-assist along with programming the LCD control makes a big difference for the 'delay'. I also limit the maximum speed to comply with UK regulations at 15.5mph.
on my mid drive bike a non intentional half turn of the pedal will engage the motor, it tries to throw you into trees, lamposts, walls, oncoming traffic, just when you try to adjust balance without thinking, its something you have to learn to get used to. PAS is fun though when you do want to psuedo-pedal. not sure how the professional bikes deal with this unintentional jumping forward issue.
@@ash0787 When you need to not be thrown by the motor use the brake cut off switch to keep the motor from engaging. Just pull the least "tight" brake lever just enough to disable the motor but not engage the brake pads. Instant temporary manual mode. If you have the brake cutoff installed. That's how I've gotten used to my factory bikes tendency to attempt suicide with me aboard.
If we had the US laws here I wouldn't even bother going through this whole DIY rigmarole. At least some states have 28mph variants, seems pretty perfect to me. I think maybe some type of 1-2hr course or something being required for safety with >20mph variants would be better but still, should definitely be allowed.
@@ddood8563exactly the same here mate, if we had the USA laws of 28mph allowed with pedal assist then I'd have an off the shelf bike. Doing the diy builds is fun but a pain in the ass sometimes. I only want to go in the 28-30mph range anyway (drove mopeds or 50cc scooters for years and that's how quick they go).
Trouble is…having a 48v batt still makes it illegal. The regs say 36v…just to ensure it is gutless on hills for overweight, older riders with shot knees. Also…as you say…it goes over the 15.5 mph….so illegal. Its all Government overreach BS, there is no need for such stringency huh! I reckon 750w motors maxing at 20mph electronically restricted, like America should be the aim.
If you tried a torque assist like the Tongsheng TSDz2 mid-mount the pedal assist is virtually instant both for on & off. They also give a more natural feel. Also available from 250w & 48V (legal) up to 750w. You can still have your throttle but will eliminate your concerns regarding lack power control on pedal & ghost pedalling. Worth a try
I've put near a thousand miles on my little 36v 250 Tongsheng over the last 6 months and it's been surprisingly bomb proof. Probably conk out now I've said that!
yeah i was gonna say, a torque sensor is way better than a cadence sensor, feels like a normal bike except that it just goes faster, no idea why any motors even come with cadence sensors anymore especially high end ones
Depends on your likes and needs. I prefer cadence, I've had torque sensing on all my mid drive bikes and it gets on my tits lol I want to just sit back and cruse effortlessly with no force from my legs (unless going up a steep hill), It's all about the chill ride for me.. I work my ass off on my feet all day and using muscles, Bike time is chill time! And when I speed, I don't want to do any work for it. I don't want to deal with gears very much either which is one of the reasons I gave up mid drives, Too high maintenance and too much gear changing. Just give me the simple life baby :)
@@Phil8219 What is "a good amount of speed?". It's fine for me at 17 stones and currently with about 2600 fault free miles on it (it never broke down after all lol) but I am more of a cruzer and it reaches about 20mh fairly easily. Before I added the Tongsheng, my bike had a higher gear ratio and was actual faster but only in favourable conditions. It's like how long is a piece of string. Depends on your weight and what gearing you use etc but I find it perfectly satisfactory and don't need any more speed in fact I rarely ever use the highest Turbo power level but I do cruse about on the next highest Speed level that doesn't require a lot of effort. If you want 30mph using a throttle I think you need to go larger and hope you don't get arrested. BTW I suspect this 250w may actually be 350w. It doesn't say but I have a folding ebike with a hub 250 motor and it's much weaker especially on any hill when it just dies. It's rubbish compared with my Tongsheng mid drive and I have never thought that I really needed to have a larger TS model. More like I need to lose some flab! lol The smaller TS obviously helps with battery range compared to say a 500w when you will need a larger battery and then that's all more weight. You will never know for sure until you try something but I think the TS 250 is absolutely fine but that's me. No doubt a speed freak will disagree.
Ride safe everyone. I’ve ridden a 2350w 52v 21ah battery powered kit for over 2 years. Doing 40mph on the road is fun as heck and since I’ve over heated my yellow phaze wire box and replaced with good bullet connectors. It’s like having a new ebike now even 2 years later more acceleration less overheating.
That depends mine on the highest assist burns more than the throttle. It also goes 24-25 mph by just spinning the pedals no push from me. 28 if I actually put it in a gear where I csn help push.
When your waiting behind a car i find you have more control with the throttle, i used the peddles only once and all of a sudden the motor kicked in and i nearly hit the car in front, thats with traffic stop, starting, so the throttle is a must to get going!
i had one. legal shop bought one. 24v battery. pulled white wire, soldered over shunt resistor inside controller, safely cruised at 40 mph on country lanes. which is essential in the sticks, in winter, with cars passing each other at 60 mph. 15mph is you becoming red stain if you too slow and in way on corners with no power to pull up a hill and bloody bike stops. also. i was an hour faster than the damned bus and had awesome range vs stock electronics setup.
My ebike has been great over the past 6 months. I initially considered 250w but decided to go with a cheap 250w restricted 36v 500w kit. After a couple of months though as I got used to the acceleration power when restricted to 250w, I decided to remove the limiter and have it running at the full 500w/720w peak for the extra torque. After another month I decided to start shunt modding the kit and it’s currently peaking at 1500w(35A) at full charge. The battery definitely doesn’t like the draw and my range has suffered quite a lot on throttle only. Yes it’s illegal but I’ve had no issues from police despite riding past them quite often on my way to work(I don’t go mad, 16-17mph usually but it can reach around 25MPH when i’m helping it out.) The difference between 250w restricted and the way it is currently with the restrictor turned off it can easily get the front wheel up(a little too much as I found out earlier 😂)
The police couldn't be less interested in a Bicyclist if they tried. There is far more money and therefore interest in the police hiding in bushes catching grannies going 35mph in a 30 zone with camera's and issuing fines...
Here in Australia we have similar restrictions(25kph - 250w) I have a BBSHD electric fat bike that I like to ride on sand dunes and the beach so have set it up for 250w@ 25kph for street use and 1740w with unrestricted speed for offroad use. Works well.
@@ManiacInTheShed Hi, no I have abandon the use of a BBSHD for différent reason, like the fact that the power of the motor is visible on the outside, so you can't hide it. Also the rpm of the motor are too high and it is not a fit for someone who don't use trottle but pedal only.
@@ManiacInTheShed yeah but all that money to use lvl 1 only ... I have choose to use à real road bike. I will check in few years if the offer for electric bike is better.
I built a Dillenger what they call *Street Legal* bike in 2016 with a nice thumb throttle. hardly ever use the peddles. In the instrument panel you can change max speed. Max speed on a straight path hits 22MPH ........... Strange thing is a 250W battery but the control panel will hit 550W using full throttle. Anyway like UK the legal is 15MPH here in Denmark.
I have a Scott scale 3kW rear motor with a 64 /72 lithium battery 🔋 it goes like shit off a shovel ,,using pedal assist mode 1-2 I can get 60 plus mile and only use the throttle when needed ie Hills ,E bikes are a great adon to any training regime ,plus the Mrs comes out with me on her Chinese 500w bike …..
Can you tell us where you bought your 3K watt rear hub motor and battery? Has to be fast because my 2K watt mid drive is a beast. I too use my e-bike for recovery days from training on my carbon fiber drop bar bike. I just love to be biking, motor or no motor.
ive seen so many people get into ebikes and escooters from all walks of life classes and ages its been really cool to see people get them ive seen the elderley on e-scooters because walking long distances can be tiring but there not quite ready for a mobility scooter ive seen guys in there 40s/50s/60s using them for fishing with little trailers and as daily run arounds to get them about the warehouse crowd LOVES them especially those on mornings and afternoons as the missus can keep the car for the school run and running errands and he can nip 2 and from work without needing a second car or hop onto the bus if the weathers rough delivery drivers running uuber and just eat food around saving on petrol and emissions i ADORE mine ive got a 20x4 folding fat tyre ive thrown panniers on the back i have a rear baskett and a folding storage box up front and a trailer hookup should i need a little more and it takes care of everything ive put almost 1,000 miles on mine since i got it in april/may last year(2022) 17 months ago i use it for everything
I was never a fan of pedal assist ( pedal throttle) one thing I like it for is I can take my hand off the throttle and keep going. Happy trails my friend!
pedal assist has always been the most pointless thing for every day use ive found maybe if you have torque sensing its ok but cadence sensing is just nothing or full power which is totally what you want on a powered vehicle is for it to just launch off at full power every time you so much as touch the pedals or when your trying to move slowly having to keep cranking up and down the power settings to find the one you need the ONLY use it has is being able to drop off the throttle and maintain full power as you go along i wish the law would see sense and just allow the throttle because its way safer as you get fine controll over your speed and i feel the only reason its even banned is the people who made the law think that it works by requiring you to pedal faster to go faster when it reality a 2 year old could get full speed out of one i know this because my niece and nephew 2 and 3 love playing with my pedals when its parked in the back yard and on 2 occasions managed to engage the rear motor with just there tiny little hands moving the pedals about 30 degrees of course they wont theyll just get egg on there face and throw a tantrum and cave into bosch and the other big manufacturers of useless garage fillers and force some stupid certification through that just compleatly kills the ebike community by mandating only uk registered and certified ebikes with some hefty fee to test are allowed in the uk killing off competition and making every ebike a sporty piece of crap mountain bike that costs 1500 quid for a lackluster spec that comes in mountain bike, mountain bike,brompton,mountain bike or if your feeling silly road bike with skinny clear weather tires all with amazingly tiny and shit batterys and then the goverment will go back to moaning about how no one will consider cycling or greener transport
Short video from London Bike that ev like this are sold with speed limit software built in and can be reduced to the 12mph legal road requirement for uk so what rules are now using to take ev cycle bikes off ppl at radum as some make there way to work and for the ppl doing delivery jobs Can't have biggest cycle shops selling these item for them to snatched off ppl for free
Being illegal.and enforceable are two different things. They would have to stop virtually every delivery RIDER in London otherwise. I spoke to one guy the other day. He had a 750w motor on his bike. Capable of 28mph. He has never been stopped. The laws are retarded. Even road bike riders can cruise at 20 plus miles an hour.
They also gave me 250 watt stickers for my bafang mid 750 watts.i only use it off-road like😉.but ye the laws bollocks.rather than slow traffic down and dangerous overtaken n shit that doesn't happen when Ur bike goes 28 just under the speed limit in towns n shit. So going at just under the speed limits actually safer than crawling along at fkn 15 as your keeping up with traffic
Appreciate the video. Please be aware that if an ebike has a throttle and or can exceed pedelec speed limits it is illegal. I know the police stopped me on this issue and tested bike.
I had a 250watt foldable ebike and I found that fast enough, though I’m told due to the 20ins wheels they’r not as quick as an ebike with a 26ins wheel normal mountain bike. It made mist hills a breeze as well.
Don't know how relevant this is but Yose 36V 250W front wheel kit on thumb throttle with the throttle 6kmh disabled, that is with the wheel just in the air, not actually on the ground. So how much you would lose due to friction etc I don't know
My mates is pretty good not good for speed but the amount of torqe it makes is mad he can pull me along while were both fully loaded with fishing tackle to 40mph without breaking a sweat his wheel bearings in the back hub went after 3000 miles on it so not bad really an thats of road canal toe paths an all sorts
P=VxI (Power, in Watts = Volts x Amps) If you change the battery voltage, the wattage goes up assuming the controller supplies the same amps. The motor doesn't determine the wattage.
I wonder if any manufacturer makes a throttle that only works when pedaling, so you can have the nice smooth application of power but it just rides like a normal bicycle if you don't touch the throttle and also gets around any "rules and regulations".
Those rules and regulations are TOTALLY UNENFORCEABLE. So long as you arent tearing down the street on a scooter or electric scrambler at 25 plus Miles per hour. You arent likely to ever be stopped. I've been riding a 350w ADO A20 for 8 months. It can cover my round trip to work and back of 21 miles. Without me having to ever free pedal. But is also capable of 21mph when unlocked. If I see any police. I just pedal at no more than 15mph on PAS 3. Really nobody cares. There are thousands of delivery riders with souped up 500w PLUS ebikes. Flying around london at 20mph PLUS. Nobodies stopping them. RELAX. Once they see pedals and a chain. Nobody cares.
@@fender1000100 I have a 750 watt with no speed cutoff (probably closer to 1000 in practice, maximum power input is 1200 so that minus efficiency losses). Only time I got stopped was because my back light was running low and police were concerned I'd get hit by a car.
@@Hadenoughnow apparently it's only up to 3.7 mph (walking pace) for pedal free throttle for later than 2016 models, although I doubt police would even know or care as long as you don't blast down pavements and do follow road rules and the bike doesn't look like a motorcycle too much, oh and you don't pull a wheelie off the lights.
@@TimpBizkitThis is so confusing Tim. I found the following in another comment somewhere. Apparently Whoosh bikes went to court and the GB regulations were changed. "Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed. However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads. This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved."
Very nice job. I would love to do a front motor kit on my existing rear hub bike. Not sure where to put the controller, battery and stuff. Maybe just all in a bag on the back rack. Add a thumb throttle to the left side and just keep it all active as I ride with the right side half twist. Not sure what size motor I can get on the front of an Ariel Rider Kepler. Couple torque arms will need to be custom fit.
In the UK I dont think E bikes are legal that can only operate off a throttle, unless built before 2016. Although plenty of companies sell kits that do claiming they are legal I have found my 250w kit does 20mph on throttle only
Odd as to why UK is so behind on the times. 15mph limit? How strange. I can do that without a motor. Think they would get with the future and encourage no emissions on the roads. My build is going to be a trek verve 3 with a diy kit. 1000w mid drive motor with 2 batteries . $2500 total.
@@jimjr9143 yup the UK laws around this is terrible. Like on my road bike going downhill I can be over 30mph easily but my ebike has to cut off at 15.5mph. they should allow pedal assist up to 28mph a ton of car drivers in cities would ditch the car and it would be great for the environment.
Funny enough Steve I've just build a small pedal assist bike. I found u have to be really careful riding slow speeds then the assist comes in when u don't want it caught me out a couple of times
Nice build Steve 👍🏻. Is the 48v battery an option on the 250w kit from Andy? Does this increase the output to 330 is watts running at 7 ish amps? What’s the weight like on the front wheel? Loving your work mate
I've got a Haibike with Bosch 250w motor. Do you know any way that I can add a throttle? You're dead right about how dodgy pedal assist is in tight technical corners.
@@GwenSwan Yeah, i caught him early on when he first started the s73 content, ive seen you comment on other ebike related vloggers a few times before, mostly DT's, im a brit though so i watch a lot of uk ebike stuff, ie steves stuff, andy kirby, vorteks, boots on the ground, moto machinez, ty xtra, london eats and many others etc. though im not averse to watching schreddie and dt and many others over the other side of the pond.
Cool beans! I've started watching DT when he first started his super 73 vlog last year. I also follow Brits vlogs on eBikes. Sad situation in Britain about the whole scene. Keep it underground!
the 250w rule is garbage, the big 4 (bosch, broose, yamaha, shimano) all use the 250w mark on their motors but that is nominal, while in fact those motors usually run at 400 to 600w and can peak at 800 to 1000w, also in hill countries like portugal italy and spain 250w is not usable like in germany or holland as those countries are flat as pancakes, Eu needs to revise this whole law
i dont want to go fast , i just want to get up hills, without burning my legs and having to push. speed i dont need it, i got a motorbike licence,i had the fast bikes. motorbikes you can do over 200 mph. if you want speed. or if you got the money electric motorbikes.
This 15 mph on ebikes is complete madness. Plenty of pushbikes with a reasonably fit rider can easily get up around 30 mph on the level. My son has a 1000w 48v rear hub MX02s and on the level he cycles with no power a lot of the time. Often touches 30 mph plus by using his 21 speeds. He is running an oversize 58 tooth front chainring. Taking off on level he’s in first gear on back sprocket think it’s a 34 tooth so as speed builds he changes up. His only issue is coming to a sudden stop leaves him in too high a gear to start off so he will turn on power to get him going and change down at same time then kill the power when his gears match his speed. Told me recently he’s had to slow down because of the number of motorists pacing him in next lane trying to figure out his bike. I have to use a blip of throttle to get moving but then rely on pedal assistance if and when eventually Ireland brings out laws it will probably ban any type of throttle but I’m hoping like the 6 mph walk assist I can build some kind of push button that will give me throttle up to say 10 mph and police won’t notice.
Hi, One thing I never hear you mention when talking about ebikes is what type of brakes you use. For ie, the make and model of brakes, as I assume you are using hydraulic disc brakes. Or correct if im wrong. I would like to know what you use and what you think of them with regards to stopping from speeds. Thanks, hope you can answer.
Anything over 500w I would always look to use hydraulic brakes, either new bike or very well serviced, working perfectly. I never upgrade anything just maintain
@@thatstory1092 not really I've even had some mechanical disc brakes that are better than hydraulic, I always test ride a bike before buying it see how the brakes feel, any mtb from 500 pounds upwards should have pretty good brakes as standard these days, unless you buy something unusual
When did you get your 250w kit? My 1.5/2Kw hub arrived on the 18th Aug, and I'm still waiting for the battery to date. The speed legality issue is crap. On my recumbent trike, I get 45mph down one of my steepest country roads. And that's just pedal power. But the opposite direction is slower than walking pace coz you have to 'winch' your way up. The hub should remedy this and help me escape our local psycho tractor drivers, who hate cyclists.
Have any of the idiots who make the legislation actually tried it out?? Pedal assist is a joke and is deadly to any rider your perfectly correct the delay is too slow for start and stop
have a bosch mid drive ebike pedal assist , yeah 15mph limit is just stupid as you can easily ride 20mph with no assist on any other bike, could do with finding some kind of derestrictor for it
Look up speed box, I’ve installed one on my emtb. You can completely unrestricted it, or you can restrict it at 20 mph 25, 28, 30 or whatever you want , it’s great fun even in the roads. I average about 22 mph on the roads when commuting 15 miles.
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
F it, I’m just going to get my dream 750watt (1000w peak) engwe engine pro ebike (Northern Ireland) and hope I don’t get stopped and hope for the best. I’m sure there’s a way you can throw them off guard or mask the fact you have a higher powered ebike than 250w lol I’ll just tape a 250w sticker on it lol
@@christucker8174 no need to put a sticker over the engine pro, well … there is … but Engwe Engine X says “250w” but is it? 🤓 check it out. But no, I haven’t bought one yet. Conflicted between ebike and motorcycle
I have a hybrid bike which has recently been serviced with new v brake pads and it stops fine..I'm tempted just to get a front hub motor say 500 and stick it on. I can't really be arsed taking off the crank shaft or the rear cassette.
@@ashab1 I ordered what I thought was a front hub but a rear one came so I ended up fitting that. I've not bothered with the crank shaft removal for pedal assist, I just use the throttle for my assist. The kit came with its own cassette so I just used that . The gears aren't properly indexed as a result but I can live with it.
Me personally: speed, not interested, i would rather be allowed to have more power, for the purpose of having much higher torque. Living in wales. there is nothing but hills and valleys
I'm confused, did you fit two kits in one here or add parts to one or other of the kit types? I'm new to the ebike thing so, yeah, just not sure what you bought exactly. I do like the simple look of it though. And why do they say on his site, for off road use only?
Cadence sensor is ok on low power bikes like this but j much prefer torque sensor and more power. 15.5mph however ok off road is dangerous on the road because drivers get frustrated with you . But if you nust stay legal it has to be done ( throttle is illegal too ).
Hi ya Steve I am am interested to buy a 250 for Commuting How much would it cost me for you to do a bike like that for me? And can mudguards be fitted to back and front? Thanks mate Regards Ali
I always think its better to have hydraulic brakes on anything 500w or above, but these mechanics disc brakes when working perfectly are pretty decent.
You mention a "kit" a few times .. what is the "kit" and can it be used on any e-bike. I have a Fiido D1.. got because it was cheap (ish) and didn't want to spend Thousands on fist e-bike, and it be a waste of money.. (as i have chronic illness).. so any more info would be great.
I have a conversion similar to yours which I bought last year. I am worried about getting caught in a good old UK downpour, and whether the electrics and battery will be ok. What's your exp?
Most of the LCD screens will eventually die if exposed to too much water so wrap a bag around the display if there might be rain showers on the day. Batteries and motors are sealed units and can handle rain. Obviously don't submerge anything and you'll be good.
Your Video is better then any of Andy kirby boom boom acid rave music🤣 i have a giant fallon 250w yamaha mid drive..is it possible for me to turn it into throttle only?? Our could i run a 1000w hub motter through my 500w giant battery??
Always in the UK : progress is oppressed, taxes increase, infrastructure declines No other country populated a continent with it's prisoners. The UK is a deeply dysfunctional society that needs a complete reassessment. Pushing the problems and dysfunctional, predatory psychology of the past into the future is going to create a catastrophe. Progress, such as escooters should not only be actively encouraged but developed. If safety is the issue, path creation and escooter tunnels can be created. . Instead of progress, imagination, intelligence and technology.......the society is being forced into decline and blamed for progressing?
I am confused. I have people telling me that a 250w bike battery only last for One Hour, from full charge. Others say they last longer, If you keep it to 15mph, on peddle assist. So what Is the truth about these?.
I'm actually getting more confused watching these. I want one but don't know what wattage whatnsize frame as i havent been on a bike since the 80s what price, torque, amp gours voltage damn. Any support would be nice
I have a loan ebike just now from the local council. It's a Raleigh hybrid with a bosch 250w 40nm mid drive motor. Pedal assisted only and no throttle control. All fully 'legal'. It's a strange one though. On the flat near my house, or even more so going downhill, I will easily reach in excess of the 15.5mph. The motor stops helping by cutting out at 15.5 - 16mph. How would the police ever know in these instances so they would/could never stop you. It would be pointless. I can cycle at 20+ mph on my mtb easily as well. The legality of the 15.5mph limit is a complete nonsense. I seems like it's only a lip service type law to show that the gov have got their hand on the reigns!
Has anyone had experience with the Hailon G56 battery, as far as I can see the 12.5AH have "Chinese made cells" the 15AH has Samsung cells, are they safe, reliable etc?
@@gteaz i was meant throttle without pedaling. i think they make it confusing on purpose.. cycling weekly say "From January 1 2016, the only throttles legal within the UK’s EAPC legislation are those that assist the rider without pedalling up to a maximum speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) - i.e. starting assistance only. If the rider is rolling - but not pedalling - faster than 6km/h, the throttle cuts off. If the cyclist pedals at the same time then the throttle can still assist up to the general limit of 15.5mph." I guess the question is how much effort do you need to apply to throttle along at 15.5mph is it just "moving" the pedal ?
@@groundbeef662 The Highway Code, road safety and vehicle rules. An EAPC must have pedals that can be used to propel it. It must show either: the power output the manufacturer of the motor It must also show either: the battery’s voltage the maximum speed of the bike Its electric motor: must have a maximum power output of 250 watts should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
All I can say to you 250w riders, is if you've never ridden a 500-750w, you have no idea what you're missing. I can get as much of a workout as I want, and I can actually tackle steeper gradients without worrying about my bike falling over due to slow speeds and motor failure. Petition your country like crazy because 250w is a joke. You've been led to believe that's enough. I've had farts with more boost than 250w.
Having massive nuts has always made long distant cycling rather challenging, even as a kid. A throttle only set up for me would be a game changer, legs still 😂. I have a home built pedal assist set up at the moment. As funds allow will change controller and add a throttle, current controller only has port for pas. Unless that would take a throttle? Good vids inspiring me to go bike only. I do need some better brakes.
@@DudeStuff probably just get the 500w version. Although having the built in controller on the 250w is nice. Whats the shipping time like at the moment?
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Anybody that wants to have a bit of fun in the UK is always shut down. Big brother health and safety laws they would rather you were locked up in your home.
15.5mph is dangerously slow for the roads in the uk
Pedal assist is brilliant, I got 16 miles on throttle on my 250w 13ah kit and with pedal assist level 3-4 got 42 miles, also most throttles are junk had it for 2 weeks and briloke did not bother replacing as not needed
I'm in Australia and I have never and do not intent to ever follow the laws regarding ebikes. I've spoken to police about my bike they had no issues with it, despite the fact I ride it in full motorcycle gear.
which state?
@@joeee60 Western Australia
@@Saturntabbytype2 No I won't.
I don't follow the rules in the UK either. My 1000w 52v ebike flies around town.
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe hey bro I got 1,500w 48v 40mph 29" fat tire ebike, I'm in uk want to group up and find other people and go on mad rides to London bridge ?
It's a nice looking build, and I absolutely agree a throttle is much more precise. That "delay" for pedal assist depends on the pedal sensor and the controller programming. I use a Phaserunner controller on mine, and have the pedal assist set to engage the motor right when my natural pedaling takes the slack out of the chain. It's about a quarter turn of the crank when the bike is already moving, and I also programmed it to apply the power smoothly instead of just turning it on abruptly.
Your example of going that fast with only 250 watts is why limiting power is not a logical method of restricting speed. In the US, they don't pay much attention to power, as long as the speed is limited. Many bike companies that sell over here openly advertise 1000, 2000, 3000 watt peak motors, but if they are delivered with a 20mph speed limit, it's ok.
Thanks for the video!
I have found the same with my e-trike that the number of magnets and brand of the pedal-assist along with programming the LCD control makes a big difference for the 'delay'. I also limit the maximum speed to comply with UK regulations at 15.5mph.
on my mid drive bike a non intentional half turn of the pedal will engage the motor, it tries to throw you into trees, lamposts, walls, oncoming traffic, just when you try to adjust balance without thinking, its something you have to learn to get used to. PAS is fun though when you do want to psuedo-pedal. not sure how the professional bikes deal with this unintentional jumping forward issue.
@@ash0787 When you need to not be thrown by the motor use the brake cut off switch to keep the motor from engaging.
Just pull the least "tight" brake lever just enough to disable the motor but not engage the brake pads. Instant temporary manual mode. If you have the brake cutoff installed.
That's how I've gotten used to my factory bikes tendency to attempt suicide with me aboard.
If we had the US laws here I wouldn't even bother going through this whole DIY rigmarole. At least some states have 28mph variants, seems pretty perfect to me. I think maybe some type of 1-2hr course or something being required for safety with >20mph variants would be better but still, should definitely be allowed.
@@ddood8563exactly the same here mate, if we had the USA laws of 28mph allowed with pedal assist then I'd have an off the shelf bike. Doing the diy builds is fun but a pain in the ass sometimes. I only want to go in the 28-30mph range anyway (drove mopeds or 50cc scooters for years and that's how quick they go).
The tongsheng has torque sensing pedal assist and it kicks in instantly. I fitted one to the wife’s bike and it’s fantastic.
Trouble is…having a 48v batt still makes it illegal. The regs say 36v…just to ensure it is gutless on hills for overweight, older riders with shot knees. Also…as you say…it goes over the 15.5 mph….so illegal. Its all Government overreach BS, there is no need for such stringency huh!
I reckon 750w motors maxing at 20mph electronically restricted, like America should be the aim.
If you tried a torque assist like the Tongsheng TSDz2 mid-mount the pedal assist is virtually instant both for on & off. They also give a more natural feel. Also available from 250w & 48V (legal) up to 750w. You can still have your throttle but will eliminate your concerns regarding lack power control on pedal & ghost pedalling. Worth a try
I've put near a thousand miles on my little 36v 250 Tongsheng over the last 6 months and it's been surprisingly bomb proof. Probably conk out now I've said that!
yeah i was gonna say, a torque sensor is way better than a cadence sensor, feels like a normal bike except that it just goes faster, no idea why any motors even come with cadence sensors anymore especially high end ones
Depends on your likes and needs. I prefer cadence, I've had torque sensing on all my mid drive bikes and it gets on my tits lol I want to just sit back and cruse effortlessly with no force from my legs (unless going up a steep hill), It's all about the chill ride for me.. I work my ass off on my feet all day and using muscles, Bike time is chill time! And when I speed, I don't want to do any work for it. I don't want to deal with gears very much either which is one of the reasons I gave up mid drives, Too high maintenance and too much gear changing. Just give me the simple life baby :)
@@geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz I am looking at a 250w Tongsheng, my area is mostly flat, would you say 250w would be enough for a good amount of speed?
@@Phil8219 What is "a good amount of speed?". It's fine for me at 17 stones and currently with about 2600 fault free miles on it (it never broke down after all lol) but I am more of a cruzer and it reaches about 20mh fairly easily. Before I added the Tongsheng, my bike had a higher gear ratio and was actual faster but only in favourable conditions. It's like how long is a piece of string. Depends on your weight and what gearing you use etc but I find it perfectly satisfactory and don't need any more speed in fact I rarely ever use the highest Turbo power level but I do cruse about on the next highest Speed level that doesn't require a lot of effort. If you want 30mph using a throttle I think you need to go larger and hope you don't get arrested. BTW I suspect this 250w may actually be 350w. It doesn't say but I have a folding ebike with a hub 250 motor and it's much weaker especially on any hill when it just dies. It's rubbish compared with my Tongsheng mid drive and I have never thought that I really needed to have a larger TS model. More like I need to lose some flab! lol The smaller TS obviously helps with battery range compared to say a 500w when you will need a larger battery and then that's all more weight. You will never know for sure until you try something but I think the TS 250 is absolutely fine but that's me. No doubt a speed freak will disagree.
Ride safe everyone. I’ve ridden a 2350w 52v 21ah battery powered kit for over 2 years. Doing 40mph on the road is fun as heck and since I’ve over heated my yellow phaze wire box and replaced with good bullet connectors. It’s like having a new ebike now even 2 years later more acceleration less overheating.
What kind of motor use?
@@wengsiongsai2815 it’s just a dd hub not sure what model name it is though. it’s powerful enough for sure. 2.3kw is plenty
I have ridden my 1000w e.bike for 5 yrs now I love it.
I love ghost pedaling my bbshd 👍 another good video Steve cheers mate from Australia
good one true ghost pedaling
E bikes are unbelievable fun and so useful
Cheers Steve I have a bbshd and a few other bikes was thinking I could do with a legal road bike you've made my mind up.
Peddle assist is great and conserves battery
That depends mine on the highest assist burns more than the throttle.
It also goes 24-25 mph by just spinning the pedals no push from me. 28 if I actually put it in a gear where I csn help push.
@@ghz24 Is that UK street legal?
@@peaceformula5830 No, I don't think so it's legal in most US but it's a class 3 aventon level.
i don't like it personally, when you go around a corner slowly and need a slight push pedal assist will just blast you off
@@scellyyt never had that problem.
When your waiting behind a car i find you have more control with the throttle, i used the peddles only once and all of a sudden the motor kicked in and i nearly hit the car in front, thats with traffic stop, starting, so the throttle is a must to get going!
I believe it has to have pedal assist, ( connected and working ) to be legal in the UK.
Nice build Steve, awesome video!
i had one. legal shop bought one. 24v battery. pulled white wire, soldered over shunt resistor inside controller, safely cruised at 40 mph on country lanes. which is essential in the sticks, in winter, with cars passing each other at 60 mph. 15mph is you becoming red stain if you too slow and in way on corners with no power to pull up a hill and bloody bike stops. also. i was an hour faster than the damned bus and had awesome range vs stock electronics setup.
My ebike has been great over the past 6 months. I initially considered 250w but decided to go with a cheap 250w restricted 36v 500w kit. After a couple of months though as I got used to the acceleration power when restricted to 250w, I decided to remove the limiter and have it running at the full 500w/720w peak for the extra torque. After another month I decided to start shunt modding the kit and it’s currently peaking at 1500w(35A) at full charge. The battery definitely doesn’t like the draw and my range has suffered quite a lot on throttle only. Yes it’s illegal but I’ve had no issues from police despite riding past them quite often on my way to work(I don’t go mad, 16-17mph usually but it can reach around 25MPH when i’m helping it out.)
The difference between 250w restricted and the way it is currently with the restrictor turned off it can easily get the front wheel up(a little too much as I found out earlier 😂)
The police couldn't be less interested in a Bicyclist if they tried. There is far more money and therefore interest in the police hiding in bushes catching grannies going 35mph in a 30 zone with camera's and issuing fines...
@@leerobinson8709 yes but if they catch you end up paying wasting money for nothing...
Here in Australia we have similar restrictions(25kph - 250w) I have a BBSHD electric fat bike that I like to ride on sand dunes and the beach so have set it up for 250w@ 25kph for street use and 1740w with unrestricted speed for offroad use. Works well.
Hi, how do you restrict it at 250w and 25kph. Is it a feature included with a bafang kit ?
@@ManiacInTheShed Hi, no I have abandon the use of a BBSHD for différent reason, like the fact that the power of the motor is visible on the outside, so you can't hide it. Also the rpm of the motor are too high and it is not a fit for someone who don't use trottle but pedal only.
@@ManiacInTheShed yeah but all that money to use lvl 1 only ... I have choose to use à real road bike. I will check in few years if the offer for electric bike is better.
@@ManiacInTheShed ebike are really cool for that 😀
I built a Dillenger what they call *Street Legal* bike in 2016 with a nice thumb throttle. hardly ever use the peddles. In the instrument panel you can change max speed.
Max speed on a straight path hits 22MPH ........... Strange thing is a 250W battery but the control panel will hit 550W using full throttle. Anyway like UK the legal is 15MPH here in Denmark.
Great looking bike in black and goes at a decent speed for a bicycle especially if you're on the road.
I have a Scott scale 3kW rear motor with a 64 /72 lithium battery 🔋 it goes like shit off a shovel ,,using pedal assist mode 1-2 I can get 60 plus mile and only use the throttle when needed ie Hills ,E bikes are a great adon to any training regime ,plus the Mrs comes out with me on her Chinese 500w bike …..
Can you tell us where you bought your 3K watt rear hub motor and battery?
Has to be fast because my 2K watt mid drive is a beast.
I too use my e-bike for recovery days from training on my carbon fiber drop bar bike. I just love to be biking, motor or no motor.
Your camera must be securely connected. Well filmed.
E bikes have such a use,from pro standered to people who need to use them for mobility.
ive seen so many people get into ebikes and escooters from all walks of life classes and ages its been really cool to see people get them
ive seen the elderley on e-scooters because walking long distances can be tiring but there not quite ready for a mobility scooter
ive seen guys in there 40s/50s/60s using them for fishing with little trailers and as daily run arounds to get them about
the warehouse crowd LOVES them especially those on mornings and afternoons as the missus can keep the car for the school run and running errands and he can nip 2 and from work without needing a second car or hop onto the bus if the weathers rough
delivery drivers running uuber and just eat food around saving on petrol and emissions
i ADORE mine ive got a 20x4 folding fat tyre ive thrown panniers on the back i have a rear baskett and a folding storage box up front and a trailer hookup should i need a little more and it takes care of everything ive put almost 1,000 miles on mine since i got it in april/may last year(2022) 17 months ago i use it for everything
I was never a fan of pedal assist ( pedal throttle) one thing I like it for is I can take my hand off the throttle and keep going. Happy trails my friend!
pedal assist has always been the most pointless thing for every day use ive found
maybe if you have torque sensing its ok but cadence sensing is just nothing or full power which is totally what you want on a powered vehicle is for it to just launch off at full power every time you so much as touch the pedals or when your trying to move slowly having to keep cranking up and down the power settings to find the one you need
the ONLY use it has is being able to drop off the throttle and maintain full power as you go along
i wish the law would see sense and just allow the throttle because its way safer as you get fine controll over your speed and i feel the only reason its even banned is the people who made the law think that it works by requiring you to pedal faster to go faster when it reality a 2 year old could get full speed out of one
i know this because my niece and nephew 2 and 3 love playing with my pedals when its parked in the back yard and on 2 occasions managed to engage the rear motor with just there tiny little hands moving the pedals about 30 degrees
of course they wont theyll just get egg on there face and throw a tantrum and cave into bosch and the other big manufacturers of useless garage fillers and force some stupid certification through that just compleatly kills the ebike community by mandating only uk registered and certified ebikes with some hefty fee to test are allowed in the uk killing off competition and making every ebike a sporty piece of crap mountain bike that costs 1500 quid for a lackluster spec that comes in mountain bike, mountain bike,brompton,mountain bike or if your feeling silly road bike with skinny clear weather tires
all with amazingly tiny and shit batterys
and then the goverment will go back to moaning about how no one will consider cycling or greener transport
Don't forget about the 10% margin of error for legal top speed when assisted by a motor, it takes the 15.5mph to 17.5mph and still legal afaik.
@De Rekarts Its part of the current EU and UK Ebike law, the Highway code isn't law
Short video from London Bike that ev like this are sold with speed limit software built in and can be reduced to the 12mph legal road requirement for uk so what rules are now using to take ev cycle bikes off ppl at radum as some make there way to work and for the ppl doing delivery jobs
Can't have biggest cycle shops selling these item for them to snatched off ppl for free
I got a 750w bafang BBs02
I can see now why they gave me 250w stickers haha, otherwise its technically ilegal
Being illegal.and enforceable are two different things. They would have to stop virtually every delivery RIDER in London otherwise. I spoke to one guy the other day. He had a 750w motor on his bike. Capable of 28mph. He has never been stopped.
The laws are retarded. Even road bike riders can cruise at 20 plus miles an hour.
I got the 750 watt for off-road use 😉.and they also sente 250 watts stickers.it all lot bollocks the law here UK.they go on about pollution too.
They also gave me 250 watt stickers for my bafang mid 750 watts.i only use it off-road like😉.but ye the laws bollocks.rather than slow traffic down and dangerous overtaken n shit that doesn't happen when Ur bike goes 28 just under the speed limit in towns n shit. So going at just under the speed limits actually safer than crawling along at fkn 15 as your keeping up with traffic
Appreciate the video. Please be aware that if an ebike has a throttle and or can exceed pedelec speed limits it is illegal. I know the police stopped me on this issue and tested bike.
Where u from?
I had a 250watt foldable ebike and I found that fast enough, though I’m told due to the 20ins wheels they’r not as quick as an ebike with a 26ins wheel normal mountain bike.
It made mist hills a breeze as well.
26” wheeled mountain bikes aren’t a thing anymore. It’s either 27.5” or 29” now days. 26” wheels were around 15 years ago lol
@@IamBATMAN2024 my current cycle is 15 yrs old, hence the 26” ins wheels lol.
@@willswheels283 mines 10 year old! 😅 I love the 26” look!
Don't know how relevant this is but Yose 36V 250W front wheel kit on thumb throttle with the throttle 6kmh disabled, that is with the wheel just in the air, not actually on the ground. So how much you would lose due to friction etc I don't know
My mates is pretty good not good for speed but the amount of torqe it makes is mad he can pull me along while were both fully loaded with fishing tackle to 40mph without breaking a sweat his wheel bearings in the back hub went after 3000 miles on it so not bad really an thats of road canal toe paths an all sorts
P=VxI (Power, in Watts = Volts x Amps)
If you change the battery voltage, the wattage goes up assuming the controller supplies the same amps. The motor doesn't determine the wattage.
But it handles wattage !!!
You will not draw more watts than the motors rated watt
I wonder if any manufacturer makes a throttle that only works when pedaling, so you can have the nice smooth application of power but it just rides like a normal bicycle if you don't touch the throttle and also gets around any "rules and regulations".
Those rules and regulations are TOTALLY UNENFORCEABLE. So long as you arent tearing down the street on a scooter or electric scrambler at 25 plus Miles per hour. You arent likely to ever be stopped.
I've been riding a 350w ADO A20 for 8 months. It can cover my round trip to work and back of 21 miles. Without me having to ever free pedal. But is also capable of 21mph when unlocked. If I see any police. I just pedal at no more than 15mph on PAS 3.
Really nobody cares. There are thousands of delivery riders with souped up 500w PLUS ebikes. Flying around london at 20mph PLUS.
Nobodies stopping them. RELAX. Once they see pedals and a chain. Nobody cares.
@@fender1000100 I have a 750 watt with no speed cutoff (probably closer to 1000 in practice, maximum power input is 1200 so that minus efficiency losses). Only time I got stopped was because my back light was running low and police were concerned I'd get hit by a car.
A throttle on a 250w 15.5 mph max ebike is legal in the UK according to the government information sheet.
@@Hadenoughnow apparently it's only up to 3.7 mph (walking pace) for pedal free throttle for later than 2016 models, although I doubt police would even know or care as long as you don't blast down pavements and do follow road rules and the bike doesn't look like a motorcycle too much, oh and you don't pull a wheelie off the lights.
@@TimpBizkitThis is so confusing Tim. I found the following in another comment somewhere. Apparently Whoosh bikes went to court and the GB regulations were changed.
"Because of the particular benefits for elderly and disabled users, pedal cycles providing electrical assistance without use of the pedals - usually called “Twist and Goes” - are included in the above GB classification provided they are capable of pedal operation and comply with the above restrictions on maximum motor power and assistance cut-off speed.
However, under European law[footnote 4] new “Twist and Go” vehicles will, from January 2016, have to meet a range of technical requirements before they can be used on roads.
This will normally be established by “type approval” at the manufacturing stage but importers and individuals will be able to seek an individual approval for vehicles that have not been type approved."
Very nice job. I would love to do a front motor kit on my existing rear hub bike. Not sure where to put the controller, battery and stuff. Maybe just all in a bag on the back rack. Add a thumb throttle to the left side and just keep it all active as I ride with the right side half twist. Not sure what size motor I can get on the front of an Ariel Rider Kepler. Couple torque arms will need to be custom fit.
In the UK I dont think E bikes are legal that can only operate off a throttle, unless built before 2016. Although plenty of companies sell kits that do claiming they are legal I have found my 250w kit does 20mph on throttle only
Odd as to why UK is so behind on the times. 15mph limit? How strange. I can do that without a motor. Think they would get with the future and encourage no emissions on the roads. My build is going to be a trek verve 3 with a diy kit. 1000w mid drive motor with 2 batteries . $2500 total.
It's illegal to have throttle only. Must be 16 mph with pedal assist to be legal
@@jimjr9143 yup the UK laws around this is terrible. Like on my road bike going downhill I can be over 30mph easily but my ebike has to cut off at 15.5mph. they should allow pedal assist up to 28mph a ton of car drivers in cities would ditch the car and it would be great for the environment.
The government information sheet states with a max 250w 36v motor and max speed of 15.5 mph throttles are legal in the UK but not in the EU.
Funny enough Steve I've just build a small pedal assist bike. I found u have to be really careful riding slow speeds then the assist comes in when u don't want it caught me out a couple of times
Thanks for letting us know thar Andy Kirby supplies a crap pas system.
Run a good pas system first before commenting!
Nice build Steve 👍🏻. Is the 48v battery an option on the 250w kit from Andy? Does this increase the output to 330 is watts running at 7 ish amps? What’s the weight like on the front wheel? Loving your work mate
i own a 1000 watt 48 volt e bike you cant really tell the diffrence in the weight
I've got a Haibike with Bosch 250w motor. Do you know any way that I can add a throttle? You're dead right about how dodgy pedal assist is in tight technical corners.
The story of outlaw motorcycles is being written all over again.
Loophole culture as DT says.
Yessssss exactly! I didn't know that you followed DT's vlog. That's really cool. So, you're an e-head.
@@GwenSwan Yeah, i caught him early on when he first started the s73 content, ive seen you comment on other ebike related vloggers a few times before, mostly DT's, im a brit though so i watch a lot of uk ebike stuff, ie steves stuff, andy kirby, vorteks, boots on the ground, moto machinez, ty xtra, london eats and many others etc.
though im not averse to watching schreddie and dt and many others over the other side of the pond.
Cool beans! I've started watching DT when he first started his super 73 vlog last year. I also follow Brits vlogs on eBikes. Sad situation in Britain about the whole scene. Keep it underground!
Yes agreed. And also the reinvention of motorcycles.
Good pas is active after a quarter turn of pedals not two seconds!
You are allowed 10 percent on top of that to allow for inconsistency of ebike speedometer
the 250w rule is garbage, the big 4 (bosch, broose, yamaha, shimano) all use the 250w mark on their motors but that is nominal, while in fact those motors usually run at 400 to 600w and can peak at 800 to 1000w, also in hill countries like portugal italy and spain 250w is not usable like in germany or holland as those countries are flat as pancakes, Eu needs to revise this whole law
personally i think having the hub in the front wheel is giving it more torque because it not putting the motor at strain
i dont want to go fast , i just want to get up hills, without burning my legs and having to push. speed i dont need it, i got a motorbike licence,i had the fast bikes. motorbikes you can do over 200 mph. if you want speed. or if you got the money electric motorbikes.
Built-in controller make it look so clean defo somet I be doing on my new build 👍
But throttle ebikes are illegal in the UK and EU?
I know I'm telling mom....ahem mum.
I'm not a fan of pedal assist at all, twist throttle all the way, imo better for conserving power, some times all you need is a gentle blip.
Just buy a 50cc moped then, much cheaper to buy, cheap to run and easier to secure
@@nihilisticsoup2919 been running a 72v ebike since 2011, no way I'm goin back to petrol now :)
This 15 mph on ebikes is complete madness.
Plenty of pushbikes with a reasonably fit rider can easily get up around 30 mph on the level.
My son has a 1000w 48v rear hub MX02s and on the level he cycles with no power a lot of the time.
Often touches 30 mph plus by using his 21 speeds. He is running an oversize 58 tooth front chainring. Taking off on level he’s in first gear on back sprocket think it’s a 34 tooth so as speed builds he changes up. His only issue is coming to a sudden stop leaves him in too high a gear to start off so he will turn on power to get him going and change down at same time then kill the power when his gears match his speed.
Told me recently he’s had to slow down because of the number of motorists pacing him in next lane trying to figure out his bike.
I have to use a blip of throttle to get moving but then rely on pedal assistance if and when eventually Ireland brings out laws it will probably ban any type of throttle but I’m hoping like the 6 mph walk assist I can build some kind of push button that will give me throttle up to say 10 mph and police won’t notice.
Hi, One thing I never hear you mention when talking about ebikes is what type of brakes you use. For ie, the make and model of brakes, as I assume you are using hydraulic disc brakes. Or correct if im wrong. I would like to know what you use and what you think of them with regards to stopping from speeds. Thanks, hope you can answer.
Anything over 500w I would always look to use hydraulic brakes, either new bike or very well serviced, working perfectly. I never upgrade anything just maintain
@@DudeStuff Thanks. And is there any specific make or model of brake, and do you find they do the job?
@@thatstory1092 not really I've even had some mechanical disc brakes that are better than hydraulic, I always test ride a bike before buying it see how the brakes feel, any mtb from 500 pounds upwards should have pretty good brakes as standard these days, unless you buy something unusual
@@DudeStuff yeah, cheers buddy.
When did you get your 250w kit? My 1.5/2Kw hub arrived on the 18th Aug, and I'm still waiting for the battery to date. The speed legality issue is crap. On my recumbent trike, I get 45mph down one of my steepest country roads. And that's just pedal power. But the opposite direction is slower than walking pace coz you have to 'winch' your way up. The hub should remedy this and help me escape our local psycho tractor drivers, who hate cyclists.
I used to ride 17 miles a day and could hit a steady 30mph on the flat. I set up the gears to do that.
Have any of the idiots who make the legislation actually tried it out??
Pedal assist is a joke and is deadly to any rider your perfectly correct the delay is too slow for start and stop
a torque sensor is a better system than pedal assist.
Enjoying the video can you please give me a clue as to the cost.of a 250w rear motor Andy Kirby kit
have a bosch mid drive ebike pedal assist , yeah 15mph limit is just stupid as you can easily ride 20mph with no assist on any other bike, could do with finding some kind of derestrictor for it
Look up speed box, I’ve installed one on my emtb. You can completely unrestricted it, or you can restrict it at 20 mph 25, 28, 30 or whatever you want , it’s great fun even in the roads. I average about 22 mph on the roads when commuting 15 miles.
We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!
F it, I’m just going to get my dream 750watt (1000w peak) engwe engine pro ebike (Northern Ireland) and hope I don’t get stopped and hope for the best. I’m sure there’s a way you can throw them off guard or mask the fact you have a higher powered ebike than 250w lol I’ll just tape a 250w sticker on it lol
How did it go im thinking of doing the same
@@christucker8174 no need to put a sticker over the engine pro, well … there is … but Engwe Engine X says “250w” but is it? 🤓 check it out. But no, I haven’t bought one yet. Conflicted between ebike and motorcycle
I have a hybrid bike which has recently been serviced with new v brake pads and it stops fine..I'm tempted just to get a front hub motor say 500 and stick it on. I can't really be arsed taking off the crank shaft or the rear cassette.
Did you do this? I'm thinking of doing the same
@@ashab1 I ordered what I thought was a front hub but a rear one came so I ended up fitting that. I've not bothered with the crank shaft removal for pedal assist, I just use the throttle for my assist. The kit came with its own cassette so I just used that . The gears aren't properly indexed as a result but I can live with it.
what are your thoughts with doing these conversions on road bikes? get a couple some slightly bigger wheels like cyclo-cross wheels
It would have been better with the hub motor in the back wheel then you get more traction and no wheel spin 🙂
But that's the front part 😃
@@DudeStuff sorry I meant it would have been better with a rear hub motor
Me personally:
speed, not interested, i would rather be allowed to have more power, for the purpose of having much higher torque. Living in wales. there is nothing but hills and valleys
Get a nice quality mid drive motor. Even at 250w those kind of motor will pull you up any hills.
The front wheel is driven ?
Apologies! Watched it again … you did say ! 🤦♂️
I'm confused, did you fit two kits in one here or add parts to one or other of the kit types? I'm new to the ebike thing so, yeah, just not sure what you bought exactly. I do like the simple look of it though.
And why do they say on his site, for off road use only?
Cadence sensor is ok on low power bikes like this but j much prefer torque sensor and more power.
15.5mph however ok off road is dangerous on the road because drivers get frustrated with you .
But if you nust stay legal it has to be done ( throttle is illegal too ).
A front wheel drive mountain bike? 🤔
Your ebike is not fitted with torque sensor only cadence sensor I suspect that’s why you have that delay when starting off and stopping.
Pedal assist is good for a work out
Is that woods in Hadleigh/Thundersley?
Hi ya Steve
I am am interested to buy a 250 for Commuting How much would it cost me for you to do a bike like that for me?
And can mudguards be fitted to back and front?
Thanks mate
Regards
Ali
This is my exact bike that I own. Do you think I could have the 1500w kit on it with the breaks the bike comes with? Cheers
I always think its better to have hydraulic brakes on anything 500w or above, but these mechanics disc brakes when working perfectly are pretty decent.
You can pick up some tektro hydrolics pritty cheep if you look around
You mention a "kit" a few times .. what is the "kit" and can it be used on any e-bike.
I have a Fiido D1.. got because it was cheap (ish) and didn't want to spend Thousands on fist e-bike, and it be a waste of money.. (as i have chronic illness).. so any more info would be great.
Wicked bike buddy
I want to build one but I’m really scared of it starting fire in my bedroom
Perfect for what I need
hi great vid are all the kirby 250w kits front wheel it doesn't seem to say
I'm pretty sure you can just mention you want a front motor wheel in the comments section on the checkout
@@DudeStuff thanks
I have a conversion similar to yours which I bought last year. I am worried about getting caught in a good old UK downpour, and whether the electrics and battery will be ok.
What's your exp?
I had 2000w magic pie 2 when I lived in Manchester. No issues in the rain
Most of the LCD screens will eventually die if exposed to too much water so wrap a bag around the display if there might be rain showers on the day. Batteries and motors are sealed units and can handle rain. Obviously don't submerge anything and you'll be good.
On the website the kits show a seperate controller?
Your Video is better then any of Andy kirby boom boom acid rave music🤣 i have a giant fallon 250w yamaha mid drive..is it possible for me to turn it into throttle only?? Our could i run a 1000w hub motter through my 500w giant battery??
Always in the UK : progress is oppressed, taxes increase, infrastructure declines
No other country populated a continent with it's prisoners.
The UK is a deeply dysfunctional society that needs a complete reassessment.
Pushing the problems and dysfunctional, predatory psychology of the past into the future is going to create a catastrophe.
Progress, such as escooters should not only be actively encouraged but developed.
If safety is the issue, path creation and escooter tunnels can be created.
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Instead of progress, imagination, intelligence and technology.......the society is being forced into decline and blamed for progressing?
The government doesn't want people giving up on oil and it's taxes , electric bikes are a threat to their revenue .
@@andytoms4218 They would have you pay road tax and insurance and mot your bike if they did away with cars
Where is the controller?
I am confused. I have people telling me that a 250w bike battery only last for One Hour, from full charge. Others say they last longer, If you keep it to 15mph, on peddle assist. So what Is the truth about these?.
I'm actually getting more confused watching these. I want one but don't know what wattage whatnsize frame as i havent been on a bike since the 80s what price, torque, amp gours voltage damn. Any support would be nice
Go to a bike shop sit on a few see what frame size feels comfortable, that's free. If you like legal get a 250w ebike.
Hy mate where did you get the kit from?thanx
You need a brake cut off switch mate
I have a loan ebike just now from the local council. It's a Raleigh hybrid with a bosch 250w 40nm mid drive motor. Pedal assisted only and no throttle control. All fully 'legal'. It's a strange one though. On the flat near my house, or even more so going downhill, I will easily reach in excess of the 15.5mph. The motor stops helping by cutting out at 15.5 - 16mph. How would the police ever know in these instances so they would/could never stop you. It would be pointless. I can cycle at 20+ mph on my mtb easily as well. The legality of the 15.5mph limit is a complete nonsense. I seems like it's only a lip service type law to show that the gov have got their hand on the reigns!
I have a full driving licence,why am i limited to 15mph?
@@ufoclips1 they really need to increase the limit to 28mph. They can still keep it as pedal assist because I don't care about throttle.
Has anyone had experience with the Hailon G56 battery, as far as I can see the 12.5AH have "Chinese made cells" the 15AH has Samsung cells, are they safe, reliable etc?
wy the front wheel and not only the back wheel ?
You and Andy need to go out on the electric dirt bikes again
You can do 20 on that bike with no motor pedalling.
How do I fit a throttle to have both peddle and throttle pls on Elife patriot
You building any more of these 250w stealth looking bikes soon ? Want one to get to work fuck these fuel prices 😂
Having a throttle would make it illegal from the get go?
A 250w ebike without peddles is illegal, throttle is allowed with peddles.
@@gteaz but is that not only up to 4.4mph or something stupid ?
@@groundbeef662 15.5mph
@@gteaz i was meant throttle without pedaling. i think they make it confusing on purpose.. cycling weekly say "From January 1 2016, the only throttles legal within the UK’s EAPC legislation are those that assist the rider without pedalling up to a maximum speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) - i.e. starting assistance only.
If the rider is rolling - but not pedalling - faster than 6km/h, the throttle cuts off. If the cyclist pedals at the same time then the throttle can still assist up to the general limit of 15.5mph."
I guess the question is how much effort do you need to apply to throttle along at 15.5mph is it just "moving" the pedal ?
@@groundbeef662 The Highway Code, road safety and vehicle rules.
An EAPC must have pedals that can be used to propel it.
It must show either:
the power output
the manufacturer of the motor
It must also show either:
the battery’s voltage
the maximum speed of the bike
Its electric motor:
must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
How many amps are you pulling from the battery?
11amps
How much for a decent ebike,got a new job about 20 mile distance .Confused 😕
20 mph without killing yourself pedalling uphill would be heaven. Maybe when I’m not so skint I can join the gang 🤣
All I can say to you 250w riders, is if you've never ridden a 500-750w, you have no idea what you're missing. I can get as much of a workout as I want, and I can actually tackle steeper gradients without worrying about my bike falling over due to slow speeds and motor failure. Petition your country like crazy because 250w is a joke. You've been led to believe that's enough. I've had farts with more boost than 250w.
Looks a nice bike thinking about getting one for my Scott aspect
Have you got brake cut offs on the motor
Having massive nuts has always made long distant cycling rather challenging, even as a kid. A throttle only set up for me would be a game changer, legs still 😂. I have a home built pedal assist set up at the moment. As funds allow will change controller and add a throttle, current controller only has port for pas. Unless that would take a throttle? Good vids inspiring me to go bike only. I do need some better brakes.
I don't see the kit on andy kirby site coming with a 48v battery, only a 36v battery?
I'm working on getting it on the soon
@@DudeStuff probably just get the 500w version. Although having the built in controller on the 250w is nice. Whats the shipping time like at the moment?
How many miles can you get out of it on a normal ride ? Good video ! 👍
Is the controller in the motor?