This is literally the video anyone wants to see when buying an ebike. Bravo! I am willing to bet that you just saved a lot of time and money for a lot of people!
I've literally seen about 20 reviews on the engine pro about 5 took them up thick grassy mountains the other ones skipped up the hill on the video and the others didn't have hills in it so thanks for literally being the only one with some brains to do the only test anyone wanted to see
Thanks from Spain friend. There are very few days left to receive my Engine Pro. Before finding your video I have seen 20/25 others analyzing this beautiful ebike, but none with the useful information that you have shared in such a simple and fun way. Congratulations. Thank you very much, you have a beer paid for if you come here. 😉
I live in a hilly area. I weigh 17 stone. I am big and heavy. Not overweight. I just built a 1000w hub motor bike. It copes well on most hills but it does not like the steep stuff with so much weight on it. I built my wife the same kit on her bike, she gets twice the range a higher top speed and better acceleration and never has any problems on hills.. She weighs around 7.5 stone. Literally I will have to run two batteries as a solution I think.
It’s pretty common for 750W motors to list a 80Nm output… but that’s just the MOTOR’s nominal rating. Actual on road performance depends on the controller (18, 25, or 35amp), the battery (36, 48, or 52V), and potentially regional restrictions placed on the program settings.
The ever increasing motor wattage is worrying. Seems only a matter of time before the Police start properly enforcing the law. I see ebikes going ridiculously fast, not long before the media jump on this and gives us problems
I know what you mean. Before getting the engine pro I never really exceeded the speed of a semi pro cyclist but now 1000 pushes past that speed pretty easily and of course some people are riding around on 5000w plus bikes that are basically electric motorbikes weaving in and out of traffic.
Aside from trying the worst hill in my area, my 350w gets me up to 20mph quick enough. I haven't been near that hill since I got it. Not sure I will unless I'm just curious. I won't be pushing for more until I'm properly protected from falling off. There are ditch drains around here that look like a person could be washed down after easily knocked into the ditch by traffic or a sudden gust. Or hit the cement just right to end them even if they don't go in.
Those people will have to deal with their own consequences. Most people can't break 15 miles an hour and the level of bike is easiest enough to find out. People who drive electric motor cycles are supposed to have the bikes registered and insured. So let them deal with their own problems.
To be honest there is so much illegal ebikes around the world that noone can fix it at that point. I think they should make every ebike street legal, because they are just weak scooters. But faster ones shouldnt be allowed to speed on bike paths.
I really had this question in mind between EP2 Pro and Engine Pro as I live on a steep hill and this video answered my question. I was almost buying the lower tier EP2-Pro just because of the 80 nm torque, it's great to see that it's not the case. Thanks!!!
Top video...cleared up a LOT of grey area with manufacturers ´numbers´....I was under all kinds of wrong impressions and was thinking a 750w would be enuff...now I know one needs at least 1000w of power for an enjoyable real-world e-cycling experience...👍
Brilliant teat. This video should be essential viewing for old and unfit people who think that an ebike will do most of the work for them. You also were not riding into a wind, carrying shopping on paniers etc. If the UK government seriously wants people out of their cars and onto bikes they will have to permit 1000w motors, they can't just expect people to buy high end mid drive bikes of many thousands.
The problem is, when the ebike motor recognises it's under lots of strain (a steep hill) the ebike motor considerably reduces the power it outputs, to protect itself from getting too hot and breaking down, so going up a steep hill, the ebike motor outputs less power, than when it's on a flat bit of road. Ebikes are fair weather friends.
I'm tossing up between the EP-2 Pro & the Engine Pro and your videos are definitely playing a huge factor in my decision. Unfortunately, it feels like we have few options in Australia compared to the rest of the world.
@@e-VRC Oh trust me, I've been binging yours (and other's) videos on the bikes, and I've come to that conclusion too, especially for the rear suspension and the brakes. Thank you :)
No problem. The brakes are really nice for sure. If you have lots of hills then the extra power is handy too. Depends what you'd do with the extra few hundred. If you'd just forget about it after a while then go for the engine.
@@e-VRC Hills are definitely a big factor as well, I'm trying to improve my fitness, and the hills where I am can be very off-putting without any assistance. I am a little worried about the folding aspect, how strong is that clip that keeps it from coming undone? 😅😅
I'm 6,2, 120kg so a high watt bike is needed for me to have the same experience as my friends, I just hope the law takes that into account if they ever decide to start clamping down
Yea this is part of what makes the current laws a joke, us bigger folks in hilly areas need more power, not really after speed, but the current laws just make no allowance for that
My 750w mid drive mountain bike has no problem going up much steeper mountains here in Colorado, throttle only, but mid drive is chain driven to rear tire allowing the use of my 8 gears, plus 9 power settings to motor, thats 72 gear choices, no hub driven compares,, im 105 kilo
I need a bike that will climb a steep hill outside the village I live in. It's the only way back into the village. I hoped this video would give me some ideas. I don't know if it's just the camera but this hill does not look very steep. The hill to the village looks a lot steeper. At the moment I have a 250w pedal assist only folding bike with no throttle. I can make it up the hill but it's not easy. My health problems don't help. Problem is all the 750w bikes I look at are about 50+% heavier than my current bike so not sure if they would be better or worse on that hill. The hill into the village climbs about 120ft in less than 1/4 mile.
get 1500 watt. use a voilamart conversion kit, about 300.00 for kit, another 300.00 for 52 volt battery and any bike it will fit intake you up any hill, throttle only
I’d love to see you test some of the more expensive 250w mid mount motors like Bosch CX, vs say the 750w rear hub. It would be interesting to know if the mid mount and high 85nm torque helps it overcome its smaller 250w output.
I would too 👍 hopefully as I gather more subs brands with mid drives will want to work with me. They're always really expensive compared to hubs. But yeah it would be a great test 👍👍
Here in Australia only 250w pedal assist is allowed legally! As far as I know throttle only is not allowed. I road my 250w eBike around a hilly city recently and the key to getting up hills was cadence, as they are pedal assist the more you pedal the better the assist!
An interesting test would be to compare a dual motor to a single motor of the same total power, like 2x250W compared to 500W. Because a 250W is going to be geared much shorter than a 500W, I suspect the 2x250W is going to climb a lot better than the single 500W due to the lower gearing.
@@jimmyallen9927 my 1500w hub motor can get up any hill near my house without me needing to pedal at all. But my brothers bafang 750w mid drive can climb the hills slightly better lol. There are 2 nasty 10% gradient hills near me and the hub motor can get up it no issues although it slows down to 12mph.
@@-DCM- you either missed your physics lessons or you're talking in real world 'what it all boils down to' terms. Because power is literally measured in Watts and Torque is a different thing involving rotational force.
@@e-VRC real world. You can get 70 or 80 NM out of a 250 watt or a 750 watt, which one eats the battery fastest? The "rotational force" is what gets you up the hill. If you only have 20 MN of torque, you're not climbing much, no matter the watt rating. And the higher watt rating just consumes amps faster.
we now see several dualmotors with 2x 750 or 2x 1000w (but motor size looks still like 250watter hi hi) ... maybe you get a chance to test a few of those?
Very good video - I notice that the claim on the Engwe x-26 is just Torque:60 N.m. / 1200W(PEAK) / Maximum climbing degree: 30° - Makes me wonder if the nm is wrong for that too?
Just got my engwe engine pro after a long wait. The bike is a hoot! I actually saw between 1200 and 1300 watts apearing on the screen at one stage. I have to figure out the modes and how they work properly.
@@e-VRC cheers. Yeah e bikes are great fun and it's surprising just how much exercise you'll get. It's easy enough to cycle without the motor engaged also. I'm glad I bought the extra battery as a deal. All going well, it was worth the money. Reliability, only time will tell. I'm guessing sport mode is the most aggressive.
@@Werkmaster666 it's not hugely steep just a long hill. I actually measured it in one video I thought it was this one but it might be the escooter lies video. I think it's actually about 11% can't remember what degree that translates to. Worth noting I'm about 100kgs too.
Good comparison. Could you please compare Vitilan i7 Pro (80N.m) with Engwe Engine Pro uphill? According to an acquaintance who has owned both models, there is a big difference in uphill torque in favor of the Vitilan i7 Pro. Thank you.
To answer the question posed in the title - "How much power is needed?" ALL THE POWER 🌩 Because one can always choose to use LESS power if it's not needed or you feel scared. But once you are tapped out wide open, thats all you get, regardless of how much power you might need or want.
Not really. I have diy ebike with 60V 45A controller so almost 3000W, and its pain in the ass. Torque arms, spokes, and even tubes and tire in wheel cant handle that torque. I cant just go slow because it puts all that power on the wheel with every start. I think i will have to buy weaker controller.
@@bobikbobikowy5458 I started wondering this when I was looking at similar tires, some being ebike rated, some not. Is there no option to set the voltage low enough in the controller you have? I think in some, you can select it. Whether it'd damage anything being too low I don't know, at least it will help with what is damaged from too much torque.
@@bobikbobikowy5458 yes you can always put down less power 😅 what a dumb comment. Because the ebike you cobbled together doesn't work right means nothing 😅
yes but there is NO limit to Nm or torque . it is the torque that gets you up the hill not the watts . e-bikes sold in most of europe where 250 watts is the legal limit are compared by their Nm rating NOT the watts .
@siriosstar4789 Yes, right, but if you do some open calculations almost every time, you will see that a motor with 250 watts and an optimal gear box ratio to get up a 30° incline will have a top speed of 5 miles an hour... thats arss
.when i say "e bike " i'm referring to a pedal assist , no throttle ,250 watt mid drive motor with derailleur . I use that as my definition because that's all that there is where i live . the Nm can vary but the above is the standard .
@@e-VRC yeah lol and thanks for posting these videos im buying an ebike next month and watching them has helped me figure out wich one i want even though im still not 100% sure thinking about the m20 or the engine pro so yeah just wanted to let you know that your vids are awsome
@makrsu7619 ah thanks very much, glad they help. The way I see those bikes is that the engine pro is faster and more versatile (rear rack, foldable) but m20 is cooler and with 2 batteries bigger range.
✌🏻😎🏴They don’t build E-bike’s for places like Wales. No E-bike would be able to get up our hills. In flat towns & cities they would be ok but the majority of roads in Wales are going up mountains.
@doctorb6773 thicker has more traction and comfort. Thinner has less rolling resistance so better range and tiny bit quicker if everything else is equal.
@@e-VRC you got to run 48 volts on a 250 and 300 also to make it actual accurately unimin otherwise the voltage isn't comparative cuz now the 1k motors like 1200 in the 750s or like thousands compared to the 250 the 350
@@Idkwys2972 depends what you're testing. I'm comparing bikes that are advertised to be 250, 500, 750 and 1000 and their hill climb abilities. I.e. I'm comparing bikes not motors.
@@e-VRC well if that's the case then take the motors off of him and peddle those damn bikes because you're using the motorss as a representative of the bike so no it's not an accurate description ..... This is what I do I have a hybrid with a 4 stroke gas engine and a 48v 1000 hub .... The bike it's self is just a chassis ...🤭
@@Idkwys2972 no the bike is what appears at your door when you buy it. The whole thing. The chassis is the chassis. The motor is the motor. The wheels are the wheels. Besides its kinda more complicated than what you said anyway as we should also take into account the number of amps coming from the controller/battery (which is actually what I did). The 1000w bike actually has a 750w rated motor but the input power is 1000w. So in terms of input power combining volts and amps its pretty accurate apart from actually the 250w bike peaks close to 500 and the 500w bike doesn't peak much over 500.
I have a 1200 Watt e-scooter. A Ram Mia. on a 21% uphill grade I can do 38 KPH in the posted 40 KPH Zone, On the level it will do 56 KPH,. It is 60 volts on a 40 Amp battery. I am in Costa Rica and we have many hills 20 to 35%. One is 41% I weigh 183 pounds. I wouldn't like it a bit on the left side with cars passing. Were it necessary to leave the roadway I prefer exiting right. I am 76 years old. On bike only time I was ever hit by a vehicle was in Phoenix Arizona delivering 124 Sunday newspapers. Squad car came to my side hitting me then hit a palm tree 100 yards further. Drunk as a skunk on duty he was. Naturally I have never had any trust for right of way. I was unhurt, but all newspapers, my bike totally destroyed as well as the Levi pants I was wearing.
1000w bikes are often locked to 15.5mph and then classed as 250w when they ship. They can be unlocked and then considered illegal, however when locked they still have the power to get you up hills they just don't go over 15.5
@@e-VRC Yes, the website says 250W but I saw someone say it was 1000W and I've seen it go up to 28mph throttle only when unrestricted. It looks like the ultimate ebike for the UK and eu that complies with the law here. I want it.
Anyway, it's not a disadvantage if you use the shifter as if you were riding a bicycle!! This is not a motorcycle! It's just an aid and you have to drive it to go!
@@rhysbraun-ww6xj So why didn't you buy a motorcycle instead? That's not what cycling is about. But if you can't climb a mountain, you turn on the assistance.
Yeah the controller could be putting out more power and some companies pretend they're 250 when they're a lot more. Also, it's a different hill. This with or without pedalling?
It must be the bike's weight or what's going on? I'd like throttle only power for steep hill climbs. I've seen a few e-scooters fly up a really steep hill, probably no more than a 250/500 Watt motor. Looking forward to testing mine in a few days, at night when there's no traffic, a trip to the beach at sunrise.
wheel torque is a factor, e scooters have rlly small wheels in comparison thus can transfer more torque due to lower inertia and distance needed to travel
There's a lot more to it than just Watts & Power. A really lightweight rider on a light bike would fly up that hill, but a thick frame and chunky tyres coupled with a more heavily built person...well that's a different matter.
@@shaun5761 no problem. If I could, I'd get one with a clear visor too since when it's dark the eye bits are too dark so when I open them the wind is in my eyes.
Unless an E-bike is powerful enough where my pedalling input is uselss, i still plan on pedalling up hills even on the bike i want: 52V 1000W 95Nm (20 inch wheels)
According to ADO's website the new uprated A20F torque is 80Nm don't know if its a marketing ploy but that's double what the older one was, it would be interesting if it is as I have had the new version for two months now but on the same day it arrived I fractured my back so still not been on it yet, hopefully in another month I'll get to ride it, I'm really hoping it has a bit more torque than your A20F 😀
Ja, jeg havde en EP2 PRO (solgte den netop fordi jeg var usikker på reglerne) , bor tæt på en politistation og havde aldrig problemer, tror bare hvis man kører ordentligt sker der ikke noget, jeg ser EP2 Pro overalt nu, og nu hvor det er rigtig dejligt vejr fortryder jeg solgte den.. så overvejer at købe Engine Pro.
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This is literally the video anyone wants to see when buying an ebike. Bravo! I am willing to bet that you just saved a lot of time and money for a lot of people!
Hopefully!
Yep, 250w is useless here in Bristol so we have to break the law to get an ebike that will actually get up the hills well enough.
I've literally seen about 20 reviews on the engine pro about 5 took them up thick grassy mountains the other ones skipped up the hill on the video and the others didn't have hills in it so thanks for literally being the only one with some brains to do the only test anyone wanted to see
Glad it helped 👍
Thanks from Spain friend. There are very few days left to receive my Engine Pro. Before finding your video I have seen 20/25 others analyzing this beautiful ebike, but none with the useful information that you have shared in such a simple and fun way. Congratulations. Thank you very much, you have a beer paid for if you come here. 😉
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the video. Enjoy your engine pro when it comes!
Best ever ebike review. More hill testing please!
I live in a hilly area. I weigh 17 stone. I am big and heavy. Not overweight. I just built a 1000w hub motor bike. It copes well on most hills but it does not like the steep stuff with so much weight on it. I built my wife the same kit on her bike, she gets twice the range a higher top speed and better acceleration and never has any problems on hills.. She weighs around 7.5 stone. Literally I will have to run two batteries as a solution I think.
It’s pretty common for 750W motors to list a 80Nm output… but that’s just the MOTOR’s nominal rating. Actual on road performance depends on the controller (18, 25, or 35amp), the battery (36, 48, or 52V), and potentially regional restrictions placed on the program settings.
The ever increasing motor wattage is worrying. Seems only a matter of time before the Police start properly enforcing the law. I see ebikes going ridiculously fast, not long before the media jump on this and gives us problems
I know what you mean. Before getting the engine pro I never really exceeded the speed of a semi pro cyclist but now 1000 pushes past that speed pretty easily and of course some people are riding around on 5000w plus bikes that are basically electric motorbikes weaving in and out of traffic.
250w is more dangerous as u are slower & more likely to catch fire on a hill. 250w is useless anyway as most people can output more than 250w
Aside from trying the worst hill in my area, my 350w gets me up to 20mph quick enough. I haven't been near that hill since I got it. Not sure I will unless I'm just curious. I won't be pushing for more until I'm properly protected from falling off. There are ditch drains around here that look like a person could be washed down after easily knocked into the ditch by traffic or a sudden gust. Or hit the cement just right to end them even if they don't go in.
Those people will have to deal with their own consequences. Most people can't break 15 miles an hour and the level of bike is easiest enough to find out.
People who drive electric motor cycles are supposed to have the bikes registered and insured. So let them deal with their own problems.
To be honest there is so much illegal ebikes around the world that noone can fix it at that point. I think they should make every ebike street legal, because they are just weak scooters. But faster ones shouldnt be allowed to speed on bike paths.
Finally the video I’m looking for! Cheers
Glad it helped 👍
I really had this question in mind between EP2 Pro and Engine Pro as I live on a steep hill and this video answered my question. I was almost buying the lower tier EP2-Pro just because of the 80 nm torque, it's great to see that it's not the case. Thanks!!!
Glad it helped. Engwe can be a bit muddled with their specs.
Top video...cleared up a LOT of grey area with manufacturers ´numbers´....I was under all kinds of wrong impressions and was thinking a 750w would be enuff...now I know one needs at least 1000w of power for an enjoyable real-world e-cycling experience...👍
Brilliant teat.
This video should be essential viewing for old and unfit people who think that an ebike will do most of the work for them. You also were not riding into a wind, carrying shopping on paniers etc.
If the UK government seriously wants people out of their cars and onto bikes they will have to permit 1000w motors, they can't just expect people to buy high end mid drive bikes of many thousands.
Thank you from Australia. I loved the video
The problem is, when the ebike motor recognises it's under lots of strain (a steep hill) the ebike motor considerably reduces the power it outputs, to protect itself from getting too hot and breaking down, so going up a steep hill, the ebike motor outputs less power, than when it's on a flat bit of road. Ebikes are fair weather friends.
Best ebike youtube test. Hills is what its all about
Thanks 👍
Try the Deep Power 2000 Watts G20 Pro on that Hill.
I'm tossing up between the EP-2 Pro & the Engine Pro and your videos are definitely playing a huge factor in my decision. Unfortunately, it feels like we have few options in Australia compared to the rest of the world.
Both great bikes but Engine pro is definitely worth the extra money.
@@e-VRC Oh trust me, I've been binging yours (and other's) videos on the bikes, and I've come to that conclusion too, especially for the rear suspension and the brakes. Thank you :)
No problem. The brakes are really nice for sure. If you have lots of hills then the extra power is handy too. Depends what you'd do with the extra few hundred. If you'd just forget about it after a while then go for the engine.
@@e-VRC Hills are definitely a big factor as well, I'm trying to improve my fitness, and the hills where I am can be very off-putting without any assistance. I am a little worried about the folding aspect, how strong is that clip that keeps it from coming undone? 😅😅
@@Mowgi i think it's pretty strong. There's always the m20. Non folder and looks cool asf.
Watching you drive on the wrong side of the road while meeting traffic freaked me out lmao :)
😂😂
I'm 6,2, 120kg so a high watt bike is needed for me to have the same experience as my friends, I just hope the law takes that into account if they ever decide to start clamping down
When they make private scooters legal I wonder if they'd look into max wattage of ebikes too.
Yea this is part of what makes the current laws a joke, us bigger folks in hilly areas need more power, not really after speed, but the current laws just make no allowance for that
@@70agrr yep just limit speed but leave the wattage the same
My 750w mid drive mountain bike has no problem going up much steeper mountains here in Colorado, throttle only, but mid drive is chain driven to rear tire allowing the use of my 8 gears, plus 9 power settings to motor, thats 72 gear choices, no hub driven compares,, im 105 kilo
Governments never take individuals into account. Can't you just be smaller? MUHahahaaaa, cough, cough!
I just bought a claud buttler haste electric bike and I live in bushbury. I will have to give Sandy Lane a try.
Nice, let me know how it does 👍
Great review! Bought a 1000W 48v fed by 52v Battery
Good review mate more of these comparisons
I need a bike that will climb a steep hill outside the village I live in. It's the only way back into the village. I hoped this video would give me some ideas. I don't know if it's just the camera but this hill does not look very steep. The hill to the village looks a lot steeper. At the moment I have a 250w pedal assist only folding bike with no throttle. I can make it up the hill but it's not easy. My health problems don't help. Problem is all the 750w bikes I look at are about 50+% heavier than my current bike so not sure if they would be better or worse on that hill. The hill into the village climbs about 120ft in less than 1/4 mile.
What you need is a 1000w converted bike or something.
get 1500 watt. use a voilamart conversion kit, about 300.00 for kit, another 300.00 for 52 volt battery and any bike it will fit intake you up any hill, throttle only
Nice test mate. Enjoyed watching.
Thanks very much 👍
I’d love to see you test some of the more expensive 250w mid mount motors like Bosch CX, vs say the 750w rear hub. It would be interesting to know if the mid mount and high 85nm torque helps it overcome its smaller 250w output.
I would too 👍 hopefully as I gather more subs brands with mid drives will want to work with me. They're always really expensive compared to hubs. But yeah it would be a great test 👍👍
@@e-VRC Well you’ve got one more sub here lol. Been enjoying your videos the last few days. Keep it up, mate!
@azzajaybrah ah thanks that really means a lot 🤟🤟❤️
Bear in mind some of these motors cheat and say 'rated at 250w but has a peak power of 850w', or 1250w for another I looked at
@@utubeape whee are these ? How fast will they go??
the best comparison video ever
Here in Australia only 250w pedal assist is allowed legally! As far as I know throttle only is not allowed. I road my 250w eBike around a hilly city recently and the key to getting up hills was cadence, as they are pedal assist the more you pedal the better the assist!
Watch my comparaison between bafang 1000w mid drive and bafang 750w rear hub which outperform the mid drive.
An interesting test would be to compare a dual motor to a single motor of the same total power, like 2x250W compared to 500W. Because a 250W is going to be geared much shorter than a 500W, I suspect the 2x250W is going to climb a lot better than the single 500W due to the lower gearing.
Thats a video I´d like to see...
A front all-in-one front motor hub
And adding energy consumption over distance datas for the nerds like us would be gold!
Yes! Ridstar H20 Pro. 2×1000w 48V motors ≈$1400 would be nice to see
Good video my custom built
1000 watt bafang mid motor would eat that hill think its 160 nm of torque
Yeah it would, these bikes in the video are all hub motors they're built for speed not hill climbing.
@Jude Price ive just bought a dual hub 2000 watt fat tyre still struggle to beat my mid motor on flat good race anyway lol
@@jimmyallen9927 my 1500w hub motor can get up any hill near my house without me needing to pedal at all. But my brothers bafang 750w mid drive can climb the hills slightly better lol. There are 2 nasty 10% gradient hills near me and the hub motor can get up it no issues although it slows down to 12mph.
@Jude Price oh ok my new dual hub ate my largest hill near me which is 18% gradient also and im 110 kgs
WATTAGE is just how fast it'll drain your battery. NM of torque is power.
@@-DCM- you either missed your physics lessons or you're talking in real world 'what it all boils down to' terms. Because power is literally measured in Watts and Torque is a different thing involving rotational force.
@@e-VRC real world. You can get 70 or 80 NM out of a 250 watt or a 750 watt, which one eats the battery fastest? The "rotational force" is what gets you up the hill. If you only have 20 MN of torque, you're not climbing much, no matter the watt rating. And the higher watt rating just consumes amps faster.
we now see several dualmotors with 2x 750 or 2x 1000w (but motor size looks still like 250watter hi hi) ... maybe you get a chance to test a few of those?
Can’t u only have a 250 watts by law in the uk?
how about 1500 watt voilamart conversion kit?
Your videos really helped me a lot!! Thank you :-)
No problem, happy shopping. All my reviews have a hill climb in now so the latest leaderboard is in the wau cyber video.
Very good video - I notice that the claim on the Engwe x-26 is just Torque:60 N.m. / 1200W(PEAK) / Maximum climbing degree: 30° - Makes me wonder if the nm is wrong for that too?
Yeah I do wonder where these numbers come from.
The Engwe x-26 is a joke just because its suspensions are just there for the design... I mean the suspension travel is almost nonexistent.
Great video mate. Do you know the gradient of the hill?
It changes quite a bit. One part is about 10%. It's not mega steep but steep enough.
What battery do i need for a weeks ride without charging with 50% pedalling
@@RoughWalkers depends on the bike and how far you go in a week
@@e-VRC mainly for camping i mean 3 days would be enough at around the 50 mile range over 3 days
@@RoughWalkers did you mean battery or bike? It really does depend.
@@e-VRC battery mate i think a 52v 48ah battery should do
@@e-VRC im building my.own fat tire ebike
Oh boy, I need to know this.
how do i disable the throttle on engine pro? in my country it cannot be used.
Remove it
Dude, where did you get that helmet from? Looks awesome.
@@quickpickle AliExpress. No brand. Search 'scorpion' style helmet'
Good things test climbing with this climb road with futur bike
Possible test with engwe c20 pro you have?
Just got my engwe engine pro after a long wait. The bike is a hoot! I actually saw between 1200 and 1300 watts apearing on the screen at one stage. I have to figure out the modes and how they work properly.
Glad you're enjoying it 🤟🤟👍👍 yeah it's weird that there's so many modes. Then 5 pas levels in each. Handy though.
@@e-VRC cheers. Yeah e bikes are great fun and it's surprising just how much exercise you'll get. It's easy enough to cycle without the motor engaged also. I'm glad I bought the extra battery as a deal. All going well, it was worth the money. Reliability, only time will tell. I'm guessing sport mode is the most aggressive.
Hi what's the black full face helmet u used on the last clip of this video cheers robbie great video m8
@@robbiemills9558 hey it's based on a 'scorpion' style helmet. It's a cheapo version from AliExpress just type scorpion helmet.
Can you confirm the grade of the hill it appears from video to be 20 to 25 °. Knowing the pitch would greatly improve perspective of performance.
@@Werkmaster666 it's not hugely steep just a long hill. I actually measured it in one video I thought it was this one but it might be the escooter lies video. I think it's actually about 11% can't remember what degree that translates to. Worth noting I'm about 100kgs too.
I would like to see the hitway 750 watt hill test.
Good comparison. Could you please compare Vitilan i7 Pro (80N.m) with Engwe Engine Pro uphill? According to an acquaintance who has owned both models, there is a big difference in uphill torque in favor of the Vitilan i7 Pro. Thank you.
How are the batteries holding up so far?
To answer the question posed in the title - "How much power is needed?"
ALL THE POWER 🌩 Because one can always choose to use LESS power if it's not needed or you feel scared.
But once you are tapped out wide open, thats all you get, regardless of how much power you might need or want.
Yesss!!
Not really. I have diy ebike with 60V 45A controller so almost 3000W, and its pain in the ass. Torque arms, spokes, and even tubes and tire in wheel cant handle that torque. I cant just go slow because it puts all that power on the wheel with every start. I think i will have to buy weaker controller.
@@bobikbobikowy5458 I started wondering this when I was looking at similar tires, some being ebike rated, some not. Is there no option to set the voltage low enough in the controller you have? I think in some, you can select it. Whether it'd damage anything being too low I don't know, at least it will help with what is damaged from too much torque.
1000 watts is the sweet spot imo. Can go over 30mph and climbs hills pretty well too.
@@bobikbobikowy5458 yes you can always put down less power 😅 what a dumb comment. Because the ebike you cobbled together doesn't work right means nothing 😅
Señor great review very helpful very well explained
This is the video i was looking for. How these ebikes perform on a hill. Ebikes are weak on hills. Hope am right
Pedal assist is the way to go.
Definitely. This hill would be easy for even the 250w with little pedalling effort.
My engwe pro 250w does 28 -30 miles straight and 34 miles down hill .
but it's very disapointing because 250w is the top an electric bike is legal in the UK
yes but there is NO limit to Nm or torque . it is the torque that gets you up the hill not the watts . e-bikes sold in most of europe where 250 watts is the legal limit are compared by their Nm rating NOT the watts .
@siriosstar4789 Yes, right, but if you do some open calculations almost every time, you will see that a motor with 250 watts and an optimal gear box ratio to get up a 30° incline will have a top speed of 5 miles an hour... thats arss
.when i say "e bike " i'm referring to a pedal assist , no throttle ,250 watt mid drive motor with derailleur .
I use that as my definition because that's all that there is where i live . the Nm can vary but the above is the standard .
do this Pro bike a pedestrian mode? Thank you for the test
Am on UK hilly area, so which one is good under 1000 pounds... 250 watt leegal
Eskute 250 sx please! Can you try it up the hill?
Already did! Check out my second to last video 👍
on the engwe website they changed the ep 2 pro to 50 nm while the engine pro and the m20 have 55nm
I don't think they know tbh 😂
@@e-VRC yeah lol and thanks for posting these videos im buying an ebike next month and watching them has helped me figure out wich one i want even though im still not 100% sure thinking about the m20 or the engine pro so yeah just wanted to let you know that your vids are awsome
@makrsu7619 ah thanks very much, glad they help. The way I see those bikes is that the engine pro is faster and more versatile (rear rack, foldable) but m20 is cooler and with 2 batteries bigger range.
Cops have better things to do than chase someone not being an idiot on the road
Where can I find a helmet like yours in this video?
Aliexpress search scorpion helmet
✌🏻😎🏴They don’t build E-bike’s for places like Wales. No E-bike would be able to get up our hills. In flat towns & cities they would be ok but the majority of roads in Wales are going up mountains.
@e-VRC what helmet are you using in this test, can't see it in the description, thanks
I did a helmet video recently you can see more of it there. Can't remember the brand as it's from aliexpress.
@e-VRC thanks, seen that video but little information to draw on, besides rum quality so found something similar from xl moto 😄
750w and 1,000w e-bike is great for very very very very Bigger Hills?
As long as you pedal too. They're still pretty slow on this hill without human help.
Sir, where were the hill?
Is there an E-bike I can ride at 16 with no license in the uk that can get me up steep hills with human pedal assistance??
Check out engine x and L20 both from engwe. L20 is sold out at the moment though.
bro where did u get the jacket ?
Black waterproof? Karrimor from Sports Direct 😂
@@e-VRC preciate it bro also is there a difference from the thicker wheel of a e bike compared to the thinner one?
@doctorb6773 thicker has more traction and comfort. Thinner has less rolling resistance so better range and tiny bit quicker if everything else is equal.
I have A20F and the problem is not that it needs help, it can get overheating after 5-10 minute climb on a hot 30C weather
That's a long time to climb TBF, that's what happens when the motor is working over it's capacity for a long time.
@@e-VRC Thank you for your answer, I guess that is its limit.
Do you know what specs to look on e bike for long sustain climb?
Do you know c20 pro 500w?
It new model comming
Futur review?
I haven't spoken to them about that bike as of yet.
You think this a 52V 15Ah 1000W Ebike Battery Lithium Panasonic 21700 USB very good for a start off on a beginner first Ebike in my life ??
Yeah just take it easy, sounds pretty fast.
what was the gradient of that hill incline?
Ooh good question. It's not super steep. I say the degrees and % in my escooter lies video.
Bro could please review cmacewheel rx 20 max…They say it has 750*2 motor…please…
I'll check it out.
@@e-VRC Thanks bro…much appreciated…Expecting a video soon…If possible please do a comparison with engine pro 1000w when you do it!!!!
@@bibinpsebastian3887 no promises, if it looks interesting I'll speak to them to see if they want me to make videos about it 👍🤞
Yep well done fella!
How many volts are they though? Makes a huge difference
36, 36, 48, 48
@@e-VRC you got to run 48 volts on a 250 and 300 also to make it actual accurately unimin otherwise the voltage isn't comparative cuz now the 1k motors like 1200 in the 750s or like thousands compared to the 250 the 350
@@Idkwys2972 depends what you're testing. I'm comparing bikes that are advertised to be 250, 500, 750 and 1000 and their hill climb abilities. I.e. I'm comparing bikes not motors.
@@e-VRC well if that's the case then take the motors off of him and peddle those damn bikes because you're using the motorss as a representative of the bike so no it's not an accurate description ..... This is what I do I have a hybrid with a 4 stroke gas engine and a 48v 1000 hub .... The bike it's self is just a chassis ...🤭
@@Idkwys2972 no the bike is what appears at your door when you buy it. The whole thing. The chassis is the chassis. The motor is the motor. The wheels are the wheels. Besides its kinda more complicated than what you said anyway as we should also take into account the number of amps coming from the controller/battery (which is actually what I did). The 1000w bike actually has a 750w rated motor but the input power is 1000w. So in terms of input power combining volts and amps its pretty accurate apart from actually the 250w bike peaks close to 500 and the 500w bike doesn't peak much over 500.
I have a 1200 Watt e-scooter. A Ram Mia. on a 21% uphill grade I can do 38 KPH in the posted 40 KPH Zone, On the level it will do 56 KPH,. It is 60 volts on a 40 Amp battery. I am in Costa Rica and we have many hills 20 to 35%. One is 41% I weigh 183 pounds.
I wouldn't like it a bit on the left side with cars passing. Were it necessary to leave the roadway I prefer exiting right. I am 76 years old. On bike only time I was ever hit by a vehicle was in Phoenix Arizona delivering 124 Sunday newspapers. Squad car came to my side hitting me then hit a palm tree 100 yards further. Drunk as a skunk on duty he was. Naturally I have never had any trust for right of way. I was unhurt, but all newspapers, my bike totally destroyed as well as the Levi pants I was wearing.
Thanks for making this vid...
No problem!
really informative video, thanks a lot mate
Can you please help me understand how a 1000W is allowed? I am considering to buy one but I need to make sure it can do steepy hills
1000w bikes are often locked to 15.5mph and then classed as 250w when they ship. They can be unlocked and then considered illegal, however when locked they still have the power to get you up hills they just don't go over 15.5
That's a hill? The incline of San Francisco's hills have you looking up at the sky when going up.
Can we see the Engwe Engine X? It is a 750W Engwe ebike that is UK legal.
So is it labelled as 250 but really 750?
@@e-VRC Yes, the website says 250W but I saw someone say it was 1000W and I've seen it go up to 28mph throttle only when unrestricted. It looks like the ultimate ebike for the UK and eu that complies with the law here. I want it.
@@dtz1000 awesome, just what we need muhahahaha!!
@@dtz1000 do you mean they are pretending it's 250 w? or do you need unrestrict it in order to get more power?
@@annashealthylifeeverything8583 You unrestrict it to get the speed above 15mph.
What helmet have you got here ?
@@belmondo2834 scorpion style from AliExpress
what is the distance ?
Anyway, it's not a disadvantage if you use the shifter as if you were riding a bicycle!! This is not a motorcycle! It's just an aid and you have to drive it to go!
Very true. People get these bikes and want to go 30mph. It's never going to happen, not in the anyway.
Lmao I never pedal my Ebike and go 34mph all day long
@@rhysbraun-ww6xj So why didn't you buy a motorcycle instead? That's not what cycling is about. But if you can't climb a mountain, you turn on the assistance.
it seems weird to me that i get to 20 mph up hill with my 250 w e bike same conditions ,i do have a beast controller....
Yeah the controller could be putting out more power and some companies pretend they're 250 when they're a lot more. Also, it's a different hill. This with or without pedalling?
@@e-VRC without ....
What bike do you have
They are called soofa classic
Measured on Google Earth, this incline is a moderate 6.7% grade
Which part?
It must be the bike's weight or what's going on? I'd like throttle only power for steep hill climbs.
I've seen a few e-scooters fly up a really steep hill, probably no more than a 250/500 Watt motor.
Looking forward to testing mine in a few days, at night when there's no traffic, a trip to the beach at sunrise.
They must have had really light riders then
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wheel torque is a factor, e scooters have rlly small wheels in comparison thus can transfer more torque due to lower inertia and distance needed to travel
that shift leaver sucks, got one of these
Would like to see the Big Game Impala tested here.
Can I have link to your helmet in this video?
I got it from ebay but it's called a Steelbird Air. It came with 2 visors this one and a non see thru reflective one.
Couldn't tell how steep the hill was till you went down.
There's a lot more to it than just Watts & Power. A really lightweight rider on a light bike would fly up that hill, but a thick frame and chunky tyres coupled with a more heavily built person...well that's a different matter.
True but it's the same person going up the hill each time so that factor is irrelevant. Torque of the motor however...
That helmet is sick mate where did u buy it?
Cheers. Aliexpress. It's a rip off of the 'scorpion' style helmet.
Although that's our mysterious test rider not me 😂
@@e-VRC I'm going to get one for my fiido m1 pro 😊🙏 thanks for the reply cheers pal
@@shaun5761 no problem. If I could, I'd get one with a clear visor too since when it's dark the eye bits are too dark so when I open them the wind is in my eyes.
Helpful 👍
Unless an E-bike is powerful enough where my pedalling input is uselss, i still plan on pedalling up hills even on the bike i want: 52V 1000W 95Nm (20 inch wheels)
According to ADO's website the new uprated A20F torque is 80Nm don't know if its a marketing ploy but that's double what the older one was, it would be interesting if it is as I have had the new version for two months now but on the same day it arrived I fractured my back so still not been on it yet, hopefully in another month I'll get to ride it, I'm really hoping it has a bit more torque than your A20F 😀
Fingers crossed for you then and I hope you heal well. Then you can bring it to this hill 😂
What helmet are you wearing here?
It's from ali express. It's called Cyril or something. See more of it in my latest video - I compare it to a more expensive one.
Are you able to do the same test with a mid motor setup rather than a front or rear hub motors?
I have done the hill with a 750w mid check out my wau cyber review and you'll see how it compares with other 750w ebikes
@@e-VRC oh thanks man going to check now
Thanks for information 👍
Can u put 1000 on 750
Please I want to buy one
Next time get three friends and test climb them together for a 2min video
According to the law in Denmark the highest permitted motor power on ebikes are 250W.
Same in the UK. Nobody listens to the law though.
Ja, jeg havde en EP2 PRO (solgte den netop fordi jeg var usikker på reglerne) , bor tæt på en politistation og havde aldrig problemer, tror bare hvis man kører ordentligt sker der ikke noget, jeg ser EP2 Pro overalt nu, og nu hvor det er rigtig dejligt vejr fortryder jeg solgte den.. så overvejer at købe Engine Pro.
riding 20mph on the pavement seems a bit dangerous? not to mention the 250w max output as required by UK law?
It's not 250w max output the wording on the gov site is incorrect. When did I go 20 on a pavement?