Air Force C-17 Crashes Just 40 Seconds After Takeoff | TWO Dangerous Aerobatics (With Real Videos)

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  • Опубликовано: 12 дек 2022
  • A Boeing B-52 strategic bomber of the United States Air Force crashes at Fairchild Air Force Base in Washington while practicing for a flight display. 16 years later, a C-17 Globemaster III transport plane of the United States Air Force crashes at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Alaska also while practicing for a flight display. Find out what really happened.
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  • @tomrohan8480
    @tomrohan8480 Год назад +56

    My instructor always used to say 2 things
    1. Never manipulate your destiny
    2. When you start enjoying playing with the limits or boundaries of a flight envelope or profile that when you should stop flying
    And I follow dat advice to this very day

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +6

      I've crashed many an RC airplane because I pushed them way too far. Luckily I walked away from each one. :)

    • @tomrohan8480
      @tomrohan8480 Год назад +2

      @@jeffk464 ha ha ha yeah 😄

  • @williamwilson6499
    @williamwilson6499 Год назад +30

    Worked with an Air Force Lt Colonel who knew the people involved in the doomed flight. He said the pilot had a bad reputation and no one wanted to fly with him.
    Why the senior officers onboard allowed this to happen is mind boggling.

    • @user-bh5ql2oc9i
      @user-bh5ql2oc9i Месяц назад +1

      " no one wanted to fly with him. " well they won't be now

  • @daletabat5612
    @daletabat5612 Год назад +346

    To quote Chuck Yeager: "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots, but there are no bold, old pilots,"

    • @snagfree
      @snagfree Год назад +15

      I got to meet General Yeager in 1986 at Beale AFB. This was not too long after the movie "The Right Stuff" and him doing AC Delco commercials. I had just read his book too so meeting a hero was the best thing that could happen to a young Airman.

    • @kennethrutledge9222
      @kennethrutledge9222 Год назад +1

      Ok is it a C17 or B52???

    • @billjamison2877
      @billjamison2877 Год назад +5

      @@kennethrutledge9222 The first one was the B-52. The second one was the C-17. DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @dyer2cycle
      @dyer2cycle Год назад +4

      ..well, very few...Bob Hoover, Jimmy Doolittle, and Yeager himself come to mind..but if they make it to be old pilots, they usually are far less bold than they were when they were younger...

    • @kimlground206
      @kimlground206 Год назад +4

      Used to be bold but gave it up, now just old.

  • @MrCrystalcranium
    @MrCrystalcranium Год назад +390

    The incident involving Holland has been long studied as the prototype for Air Force arrogance and chain of command indifference to rogue throttle jockeys. McGeehan was on the flight because he knew Holland was a danger to himself and anyone who flew with him but he failed to take action in time. Interesting McGeehan was the only crewmember to initiate an eject sequence (the overhead hatch above his ejection seat can be seen in the still photo taken just before impact) but he never got out of the plane. The C17 crash is frightening, not just because of the wanton disregard for performance limits and regulations, but because most of these pilots fly commercially when they finish their military service. Not exactly a comfort for the flying public.

    • @danajohnson6273
      @danajohnson6273 Год назад +20

      I was wondering if someone had attempted to eject as I noticed that there. Thank you for the explanation.

    • @JosephAnthonyJosefius
      @JosephAnthonyJosefius Год назад +13

      I thought I saw something to do with an ejection seat, you just confirmed it for me. Thanks.

    • @beer1for2break3fast4
      @beer1for2break3fast4 Год назад +14

      Thanks for the info. I was wondering what that object was near the aircraft in that photo.

    • @dfuher968
      @dfuher968 Год назад +19

      I believe, McGeehan and the others had actually tried several times to have Holland grounded, but their superiors had refused it. Apparently Holland had "connections". And yes, thats why McGeehan and the others were on a flight, they were really too senior to be on. Every1 knew, Holland shouldnt be flying, nobody wanted to fly with him, and the senior officers having been ordered not to ground him wouldnt order any1 else to fly with him. So they did.

    • @pomerau
      @pomerau Год назад +8

      @@dfuher968 and @MrCrystalcranium - Yes, that's roughly what I remember from a previous video of this. I'm sure your accounts are more accurate, but I was given the impression then that McGeehan virtually sacrificed himself because he wouldn't let less senior air crew accompany Holland.
      It makes more sense now what you say after reading the beginning of this that all four were very senior men.
      Wasn't Holland or McGeehan's wife and family present and sadly watched the whole thing.

  • @MikeGervasi
    @MikeGervasi Год назад +16

    Hotshot officers and Air Shows. A deadly combination everytime.

  • @kenjhee
    @kenjhee Год назад +113

    It's even more tragic that friends and families of some of the crew watched the entire incident. For one crewmember it was their planned final flight before retirement from the Air Force.

    • @sidefx996
      @sidefx996 Год назад +17

      Yeah first thing I thought of. Really sad.

    • @usernamesrlamo
      @usernamesrlamo Год назад +11

      Something like he had demanded to be on board because he knew how dangerous the pilot could be. Unfortunately, he couldn’t save everybody or himself.

    • @dfuher968
      @dfuher968 Год назад +14

      @@usernamesrlamo All 3 of them were on board, coz they had tried several times to get Holland grounded, but their superiors blocked it. Apparently Holland had "connections". Every1 on that base knew, Holland shouldnt be flying, nobody wanted to fly with him, and they didnt want to order the junior officers to do so. So since they were ordered to keep Holland on flight duty, they flew with him themselves.

    • @oldcynic6964
      @oldcynic6964 Год назад +1

      @@dfuher968 Do you know - If that was common knowledge - were any of the superiors reprimanded / removed / retired ?

    • @margeebechyne8642
      @margeebechyne8642 Год назад +3

      @@oldcynic6964 I would like to know that, too.

  • @mbvoelker8448
    @mbvoelker8448 Год назад +18

    Physics is an unforgiving master.

  • @ballshippin3809
    @ballshippin3809 Год назад +128

    Can't imagine the last things that must be going through someone's mind knowing that they'll be dead in a few seconds from now.

    • @dx1450
      @dx1450 Год назад +23

      Probably "Shit!"

    • @guitawrizt
      @guitawrizt Год назад +5

      Most of it's in their pants.

    • @grmpEqweer
      @grmpEqweer Год назад +31

      Since I almost got turned into hamburger by a wrong-way driver on the freeway, the talky part of your brain isn't very loud at those moments.
      Anyway, work calls.

    • @johneyon5257
      @johneyon5257 Год назад

      they often say "we're the first ones to a crash" - actually they imply "Since we're the first ones to go in a crash - trust us to be careful"

    • @usernamesrlamo
      @usernamesrlamo Год назад +28

      Not a terrible way to go. Rather that than months and months of painfully dying from cancer or something and thinking about it the whole time.

  • @MTisOnly1
    @MTisOnly1 Год назад +39

    Just imagine how it would have ended had Holland become an airline pilot with that attitude

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 Год назад +1

      He would have never made the grade.

    • @MTisOnly1
      @MTisOnly1 Год назад +1

      @@alexp3752 The airlines are too desperate to turn down an experienced pilot

    • @midnightrambler8866
      @midnightrambler8866 Год назад +2

      I would like to think there's no airline that would tolerate that.

    • @mdb831
      @mdb831 Год назад

      @@midnightrambler8866 He wouldn't make it to a regional carrier or a cargo carrier. The guy was a nutcase and some say he did it deliberately because he hated the safety pilot.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад

      I don't think the airlines would put up with reckless flying.

  • @sixfr0nt
    @sixfr0nt Год назад +9

    i don’t live far from fairchild afb and people still talk about the b-52 crash to this day. the crash happened before i was born but it absolutely breaks my heart. 100% negligence and irresponsibility.

  • @lab1042
    @lab1042 Год назад +25

    7:21 Co-pilot McGeehan's escape hatch, jettisoned during his attempt to eject, is visible near the tip of the vertical stabilizer.

    • @Bruce.-Wayne
      @Bruce.-Wayne Год назад +3

      So he had to chance of escaping this hell

    • @Austinbellos
      @Austinbellos 2 месяца назад

      @@Bruce.-Waynedamn that’s fucking nuts 💀

  • @jonmyers8046
    @jonmyers8046 Год назад +19

    These guys were flying those beastly planes like they were fighter jets. They just don't behave the same way when performing radical maneuvers.

  • @Blowinshiddup
    @Blowinshiddup Год назад +26

    The Bud Holland case was subject of an article called "Darker Shades of Blue" and was featured in the RCAF's "Flight Comment" safety digest. What made it worst was how many younger pilots were PUNISHED for trying to emulate him while he got a pass.

    • @sherzaiasim
      @sherzaiasim 10 месяцев назад

      Very very sad breaks my heart for loss of innocent lives

  • @AloneInPineda
    @AloneInPineda Год назад +24

    I was age 4 when this happened. I still remember this to date. I remember the moment in the car as we were on the road and could see it, my mom driving screamed.
    All the night terrors I had about it too..
    Rest In Peace Flight Crew.
    I miss Alaska, but not this..

  • @Achase4u
    @Achase4u Год назад +29

    My good friend worked on this plane at Fairchild. He rode with Bud Holland on several occasions to try and diagnose a problem that would only occur during flight, for example. Ken Huston was a good friend of his, as well. I brought up the crash at dinner once and he was shocked I knew of it. Pretty wild to find he was there.

    • @herbienbrian2
      @herbienbrian2 5 месяцев назад +1

      No offense but why does it look like such a massive anemic turd in flight? In the footage it seemed underpowered like it can't even get out of it's own way.

  • @SedatedByLife
    @SedatedByLife Год назад +5

    When overconfidence and recklessness combine... So sad. RIP airmen. You were lost far too soon.

  • @MB-hc2xw
    @MB-hc2xw Год назад +180

    I remember these crashes. Both were completely avoidable, making them all the more frustrating and sad. Hopefully these will continue to be used as examples of what NOT to do.

    • @kidwave1
      @kidwave1 Год назад +21

      Thats what happens when you try to fly a plane that size like its a fighter jet. More totally unnecessary BS for an air show, which are themselves nothing but aerial death parades!

    • @carrisasteveinnes1596
      @carrisasteveinnes1596 Год назад

      If only those aircraft had been full to the brim with Democrats....

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +14

      @@kidwave1 Air shows do have a pretty enormous death toll if you add them all up.

    • @kidwave1
      @kidwave1 Год назад +7

      @@jeffk464 Enormous is an accurate word for this.

    • @Bugaboo-wq5sc
      @Bugaboo-wq5sc Год назад +1

      In that first one I'm pretty sure the guy crashed it on purpose for revenge because one of the guys with him had been trying to get him canned from flying.

  • @mred8002
    @mred8002 Год назад +89

    All those whining that this is not ‘new’ content: I will gladly watch and appreciate anything this author posts.

    • @crashstitches79
      @crashstitches79 Год назад +5

      I think this was blatantly reposted with scenes cut out to keep it monetized.

    • @9876432234545
      @9876432234545 Год назад +2

      Check out Mentour Pilot. Best aviation channel on RUclips for sure. Details air crashes better than anything I’ve ever seen before

    • @mred8002
      @mred8002 Год назад +2

      @@9876432234545 Subscribed a couple months ago. The detail level is outstanding. Rather like he’s a real pilot. But I’ll still watch whatever the FlightChannel and Alex work on.

    • @enigmawyoming5201
      @enigmawyoming5201 Год назад

      @@9876432234545 It’s like he (Mentour Pilot) is doing an informative, technical seminar like no other, and everybody else is just presenting what happened. TFC does a great job at that, no doubt.

    • @Blox117
      @Blox117 Год назад

      @@mred8002 found the simp fanboy

  • @Flokipops
    @Flokipops Год назад +25

    I remember seing this footage a long time ago, scary one !
    Can't imagine the feel of watching your own descent from the cockpit ...

    • @rvnmedic1968
      @rvnmedic1968 Год назад +4

      Can't imagine the feelings of family and friends that watched these in person... Horrible.

    • @johneyon5257
      @johneyon5257 Год назад +2

      @@rvnmedic1968 - i heard that one of the crew members of the first flight was retiring - and his family was at the scene ready to take him to a retirement party

    • @chitlitlah
      @chitlitlah Год назад +2

      Pretty sure this is a rerun on this channel. Less sure if he compiled two videos into one, upgraded it to 2160p, or did anything different to make it worth uploading again.

    • @margeebechyne8642
      @margeebechyne8642 Год назад

      @@chitlitlah I had seen one about Alaska, but not Washington. Maybe he wanted to show the Air Force wasn't/isn't learning from their mistakes.

  • @WellRoundedWoodsman
    @WellRoundedWoodsman Год назад +32

    I'll never forget when some of my friends who were on the ramp at Elmendorf unloading one of our aircraft and witnessed the crash told me afterwards that one of the crewmen's family was standing in the doorway of the ops center watching it all happen. I won't repeat what was said but it's very haunting. I flew directly over the crash site many times in the days and weeks following and it still bothers me what I saw.

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 Год назад +10

      As a retired airline pilot, you never take chances with operating an aircraft particularly with passengers. All these incidents occurred during preparation for "airshows". Well, if airshows may be this hazardous, perhaps they should not be held with Air Force line pilots in the first place! With pre-delivery of new aircraft, I often accompanied qualified "test pilots" to go through essential checks, and occasionally those maneuvers were atypical, but necessary to insure overall safety.
      It's amazing that many air force pilots push their planes to the limit, often at great potential risk. We as airline people, seek safety and comfort for passengers to the best of our ability.
      A C-17 costs about $ 330 million of taxpayer money. Why in the name of heaven are commanders permitting this extremely risky activity devoid of any genuine benefit?

    • @LateNightCable
      @LateNightCable Год назад +1

      Go on, repeat what the haunting thing they said in the doorway. Change all names to protect the innocent, yadda yadda.

    • @LateNightCable
      @LateNightCable Год назад

      @@alexp3752 well, they don’t permit that behavior most of the time, but it still occurs. Because hey, it’s the Air Force, and hot dogging and the thrill of it all is part of the reason they wanted to fly those planes in the first place. A pilot may be trained to operate like a machine, but they’re still human.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +4

      @@LateNightCable Hot dogging is pretty necessary for fighter pilots, you need aggressive pilots that are capable of maximizing the performance of their fighters. It makes no sense at all with cargo planes or big lumbering bombers.

  • @johnsmith5255
    @johnsmith5255 Год назад +58

    The Stratofortress has been a personal favorite of mine in terms of military aircraft. It literally looks like an ironclad hawk or eagle to me with that long, impressive wingspan.

    • @scaleworksRC
      @scaleworksRC Год назад +4

      Long live the mighty BUFF ✈

    • @adolph9523
      @adolph9523 Год назад +2

      @@scaleworksRC 4 cs3 YW C300 C300

  • @KC_Smooth
    @KC_Smooth Год назад +59

    I’ll never understand why some pilots in these accidents are so aggressive with these large planes. It’s like they wish they’re flying fighter jets. Stalling that low at those angles is a death sentence especially with how long it takes those engines to increase power.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +9

      Overconfidence

    • @secretagent8900
      @secretagent8900 Год назад +11

      Some pilots actually think they are flying fighter's.
      My friend tried to join the RAF to fly fighter's, however his eyesight wasn't perfect. The RAF told him he can join the pilot flying school, but he would (if passed), never fly fighter's. He could however fly other aircraft.
      I suspect that these chancer pilot's are pilot's who were rejected from flying fighter aircraft

    • @adamwade855
      @adamwade855 Год назад +2

      They didn't mean to stall the plane. To hear people with no flight experience talk about these crashes is pure comedy. It is extremely easy to stall in a left hand turn. Extremely easy.
      Furthermore, his Superior was on board and could have easily taken control of the airplane but even they were okay with the pilots flight. Tower approved all the maneuvers. This was an error of many people not just one single person. A plane that size can't be flown by one man. Therefore one man cannot hold all of the blame.
      If a person pays attention to the video it clearly explains what happened. The slow engine response, which is normal in ALL aircraft with similar setups. They were doomed when they entered that turn...

    • @markdavid4897
      @markdavid4897 Год назад +2

      Arrogance, and they will not listen to reason. That is why they should be permanently be removed from the cockpit. FEB, or baseball bat, whatever works.

    • @bababababanana6541
      @bababababanana6541 Год назад +3

      @@adamwade855 They haven't flied for months before the stunt, looks like all that billions can't afford simulators. No stall recovery is done because they don't notice it was a stall, how tf you get to Lt. Colonel with that kind of mistake.

  • @justicewokeisutterbs8641
    @justicewokeisutterbs8641 Год назад +32

    Having watched both B-52s and Tankers taking off overhead daily from Carswell AFB in the 1960's, I can't imagine them doing those maneuvers. Both are such huge planes. They are an awesome sight just flying level.

    • @Berserked
      @Berserked Год назад +2

      That's how I feel working at Robins AFB. As a F-15 mech, they can handle it. But watching C-5s and C-17s do flyovers I just hope it doesn't come to this outcome

  • @fallandbounce
    @fallandbounce Год назад +22

    The second story has the feel of a crew who've seen Top Gun too many times. Both are unfortunate, but it's good that no people on the ground had to pay for it.

  • @c1utchtrader343
    @c1utchtrader343 Год назад +24

    I remember being in the dining facility at Travis AFB in 2010 when I heard about the C-17 crash. I had just gotten out of tech school and the trainees I was with were talking about it. Back then you could watch the entire video unedited. What a horrific thing to watch straight out of C-17 training. I’m still stationed there almost 13 years later and I still get the chills when I watch a C-17 takeoff on a routine local training flight, hoping nothing goes wrong

    • @dmsdmullins
      @dmsdmullins Год назад +2

      Personally saw 3 crashes in my Air Force days. Thankfully no deaths. 3 years after I got out my squadron had two crashes. One repairable, the other a complete write off.

    • @darreno1450
      @darreno1450 Год назад +2

      It's one thing if it's an aircraft malfunction and another when it's pilot negligence. It's the latter I'm most afraid of. Know your pilot. If he's a risk taker, try your best to avoid flying with him.

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 Год назад +2

      I've seen C-17s rotate out of LGB where the aircraft was produced. I never liked the high angle of attack takeoffs ordinarily performed, especially with a T-Tail! As an MD-80/11 pilot, I would never choose anywhere near that high angle of attack, as you may invite a stall! What if an engine fails or runs into a compressor stall? Simply amazing!

  • @gabrielcayton3261
    @gabrielcayton3261 Год назад +15

    For not having any voice-over while also using simulation reenactments (which sometimes come off poorly), this was very well done. It was very well integrated with the text explanations and actual video. Thank you.

  • @denniscasey986
    @denniscasey986 Год назад +255

    The Air Force blames a pilot for their own inaction in removing him from the flight line knowing full well he violates rules and is cowboy.

    • @Angurioo
      @Angurioo Год назад +7

      Yes

    • @andrewphillips6563
      @andrewphillips6563 Год назад +34

      Following the investigation, the Air Force properly assigned blame to Lt Col Holland's superior officers who allowed his reckless behavior to continue relatively unchecked. Several senior officers' careers were rightly ended.

    • @moiraatkinson
      @moiraatkinson Год назад +15

      He has to take some of the blame nevertheless - he’s not a child.

    • @denniscasey986
      @denniscasey986 Год назад +3

      @@moiraatkinson No he doesn't. They let him fly!

    • @dfuher968
      @dfuher968 Год назад +14

      @@denniscasey986 The 3 crew members were all his superiors. They had actually tried to have him grounded several times, but their superior wouldnt allow it. Apparently Holland had "connections". As nobody wanted to fly with Holland, they were ordered not to ground him, and they wouldnt order others to fly with such a pilot, they flew with him themselves.
      I believe, that those higher-ups, who protected Holland and refused his immidiate superiors to ground him, were courtmartialed, convicted and kicked out of the Air Force. But they still got off way too easy. There is just no room for that kind of preferential treatment of an unfit pilot.
      And the worst part? For 1 of the crew members, it was his last flight b4 retirement. His family was waiting and watching on the ground, as his farewell ceremony was to be right after the landing.

  • @shababull
    @shababull Год назад +9

    R.I.P. Everyone, and Thanks for your service!!

  • @bradleysitsandsipstea33
    @bradleysitsandsipstea33 Год назад +8

    Thank you for making videos that are both informative and give you a clear visual of what happened. I have yet to see anyone do it this well

  • @Powerranger-le4up
    @Powerranger-le4up Год назад +19

    This accident is often used as a case study in teaching Crew Resource Management.

  • @kimlground206
    @kimlground206 Год назад +13

    A bunch of procedural errors led up to these accidents but even so, following one simple rule would have saved them all: when the stall horn comes on in a turn you level the wings while you still can. The embarrassment of performing a sloppy maneuver is much less painful than a fiery death.

  • @himanshubhushan2496
    @himanshubhushan2496 Год назад +35

    I live in India near an IAF base down south, C17s are absolute love. See them on a regular basis, humongous bird and literally the 'globe masters'.

    • @rossbrown6641
      @rossbrown6641 Год назад

      @Jett Good oh mate. You favour bomber killers of innocent people?

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +1

      I've flown in one and it was so nice after flying around in C130's. Although you might get away with flying a C130 the way these pilots were flying these two planes.

    • @himanshubhushan2496
      @himanshubhushan2496 Год назад

      @Jeff K my father has also flown in one. He retired from the Air Force 4 years ago. You people are lucky to have flown in one.

  • @NeumsFor9
    @NeumsFor9 Год назад +6

    "You can't do that with that man".... no truer words

  • @ecclestonsangel
    @ecclestonsangel Год назад +8

    An extra episode on Tuesday! I feel lucky! Your telly eps are so well done. It's a joy to tune in!

  • @wirdy1
    @wirdy1 Год назад +16

    The pilot's massive egos didn't allow them to realise that you could fly a vulcan like a fighter, but not a B-52 or a C-17.

    • @rinzler9775
      @rinzler9775 Год назад +1

      Even flying fighters like that in a landing pattern could get you up on review.

    • @markdavid4897
      @markdavid4897 Год назад

      Yeah, you mean like the Vulcan that disintegrated in level flight at an airshow while being filmed? It had been stressed too much at previous airshows, and it could no take anymore BS from stupid pilots.

  • @CynthiaSchoenbauer
    @CynthiaSchoenbauer Год назад +26

    Can we assume this is karma for an aggressive pilot who does not put the life and safety of his crew first? Only thinking of himself, he used any power and leadership over others to make room for his own attention-seeking behaviors. It is appropriate to be angry at these people wherever and whenever we find them. Thank you for this awesome video, TheFLIGHTChannel!

    • @CassassinCatto
      @CassassinCatto Год назад +1

      Certainly in the case of Holland it was karma for scaring the bajezus out of the film crew he skimmed over on a hillside.

    • @healthy2202
      @healthy2202 Год назад +3

      His crew didn't deserve it.

    • @rinzler9775
      @rinzler9775 Год назад +1

      He learnt too late that nobody has power over the laws of physics.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +2

      I don't know that the same applies to the C17 crew they were practicing the exact maneuvers they were supposed to before the crash. They weren't arrogantly hot dogging, they just mishandled the plane. They shouldn't have been asked to maneuver the plane like that just for an airshow.

    • @srira7910
      @srira7910 Год назад +3

      You could assume it is Karma, but Karma is a very abused and misunderstood word from Sanskrit language. Karma simply means action. Your eye lids blink - that is Karma.

  • @drunio1504
    @drunio1504 Год назад +4

    My USAF combat pilot dad was a career SAC Flight Controller. Ironically his last duty was Fairchild AFB (before the fatal incident). Daresay he would've had the cowboy B-52 pilot grounded one way or the other. He was a tough NO BULLSHIT sob, survived Schweinfurt. Rescued 3 crew members. Held in awe by DOW AFB Commander.

  • @rgarlinyc
    @rgarlinyc Год назад +18

    Such tragedy, and repeated years later. Very saddening to follow your (as ever) very well put together recounting, TFC.👏🏻💙

  • @ruthrainous3068
    @ruthrainous3068 Год назад +6

    The B52 is one of my favorite planes, and I hated to see what happened in this crash. These big, old planes can't handle that kind of flying. You airmen who fly the planes in the air shows, just know that most of us are just happy to see these planes flying safe and level, and everyone going home safe. We don't have to see crazy flying. Just seeing these big brutes flying at all is awe inspiring!

  • @Jasewoz
    @Jasewoz Год назад +39

    I like many things about your videos… including your decision to cut before impact, your inclusion of a probable cause and your choice of music for tragic loss of life. This shows respect for the families and the ability to learn from others’ fatal mistakes. Thank you.

    • @jasonweiss2773
      @jasonweiss2773 Год назад +15

      What do you learn from not seeing video in its entirety? Are you not capable of handling it? The families choose not to watch it of their own accord. Life is scary and dangerous, but as long as there is no editorialization, these are important to see for the lessons that can be learned. No offense intended, but you can make the choice not to view such material.
      I have real-life experiences I wish I could unsee, but unfortunately that is not an option. This platform gives you said option.

    • @daveworthing2294
      @daveworthing2294 Год назад +14

      Loads of these video makers do this. I think they're worried about being demonetised by YT. Censorship is ridiculous now on here.

    • @Jasewoz
      @Jasewoz Год назад +3

      @@jasonweiss2773 maybe I mixed up different parts of my comment… 1. Cutting before impact is good for me, personally, as a pilot. I know what happens next. I don’t need to see the fireball, it teaches me nothing. I’m already leaning well back as I watch the descent!
      2. The inclusion of a probable cause from the report such as, Vmsr 193kt, slat retraction initiated at 188kt, is where I learn from others mistakes; yes, 5kts IS the difference between life or death.
      Sorry for the confusion caused by not separating those two points initially.

    • @lunayoshi
      @lunayoshi Год назад +3

      @@Jasewoz Don't worry about it. I personally like seeing the whole video clip but you're allowed to like it with a cutaway instead. Watching someone die is hard to watch sometimes and it must be worse for a pilot who faces this sort of thing on a routine basis. There's a reason r/watchpeopledie was banned on reddit. Nothing to be ashamed of.

    • @Jasewoz
      @Jasewoz Год назад +1

      @@lunayoshi Thank you for your empathy and yes, it probably is harder for pilots to watch pilots die. My interest is centred on “What did they do wrong that I should take note of when I’m at work.” So once the impact is clearly unavoidable, no matter what they do, my interest in watching ends. (That’s not meant to sound callous, it’s just a fact.)

  • @righty-o3585
    @righty-o3585 Год назад +8

    Damn, that C-17 had one hell of a steep takeoff angle

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 Год назад

      And with a T-Tail too! Such reckless stupidity!

    • @silasmarner7586
      @silasmarner7586 11 месяцев назад

      I LOVED the almost vertical takeoff the Blue Angels employed with RATOS with Fat Albert; alas they have discontinued the RATOS (ROCKET, not "jet" assisted take off) for whatever reason. It's possible there were concerns over structural integrity but it was quite a sight!

  • @larscederberg8564
    @larscederberg8564 Год назад +13

    A man's got to know his limitations

  • @brunoais
    @brunoais Год назад +2

    Oh! A double this time! Awesome! And very well done as usual!

  • @SeligTiles
    @SeligTiles Год назад +12

    Copilot tried to eject at last second. You can see the hatch being blown.

    • @iconicshrubbery
      @iconicshrubbery Год назад +2

      Timestamp?

    • @kenjhee
      @kenjhee Год назад +5

      @@iconicshrubbery Try @ 8:44. You can definitely see something jettisoning from the plane. It kinda looks like a seat, but it's just the hatch door. The official report states that the co-pilot "partially ejected" and does not say if he actually cleared the aircraft.

  • @margeebechyne8642
    @margeebechyne8642 Год назад +4

    I had seen the one in Alaska, but not in Washington. Very sad. Both of these pilots were overly confident with their ability to always control these planes. So sad innocent people on board were killed. I would like to think the Air Force was learning from their mistakes, but it doesn't appear so. Thank you for another great presentation!

  • @kiki1573
    @kiki1573 Год назад +17

    Do you have any plans on making a video about the Dallas Air Show collision? That would be interesting.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад +2

      Sounds like that one was the fault of the Air Boss, not the pilots.

  • @DavidGilesColorado
    @DavidGilesColorado Год назад

    I want to thank you for all the work you do. I have followed you for years now and I'm a pilot. I'm not sure if you are a pilot but what I do believe is that you are from the UK because some of the words you use are different than what we use here in the US. Anyhow you just keep getting better and I think all of us are grateful for the work you do.

  • @andresostep
    @andresostep Год назад

    Great job, congrats. Keep pushing it to the top. You are the best.

  • @Ryan-gi8cb
    @Ryan-gi8cb Год назад +14

    I was stationed at Barksdale. 1 of 2 bases stateside that operated B-52s. They made us watch this video to understand the seriousness of following orders as well as safety guides & manuals. It’s sad that the Commanders family watched his last seconds. Such a needless tragedy that was completely avoidable. And the cockpit recording is just haunting.

    • @gregmcgee4430
      @gregmcgee4430 Год назад +1

      I'm a USAF brat. Born 1961, before and after my prime. Crashing the C-17 gives the war machine $$$$$ to build bigger, better for profit.

    • @gregmcgee4430
      @gregmcgee4430 Год назад +1

      I finished High School in Longview ,Tx. Barksdale is were my dad retired . @ 2tours Korea,4 to Vietnam. Machinist by trade,I am.

    • @gregmcgee4430
      @gregmcgee4430 Год назад

      Vance Airbase,Enid,Ok.Home town. Randolf Airbase, Sanantonio, Tx. Elmandorf Airbase,Anchorage,Ak.

    • @Ryan-gi8cb
      @Ryan-gi8cb Год назад

      @@gregmcgee4430 ahh, Metals Tech or Sheet Metal?

    • @gregmcgee4430
      @gregmcgee4430 Год назад

      @@Ryan-gi8cb My dad was MARS out of Vance, Airbase, Enid, Oklahoma 4 tours Vietnam.2 to Korea. SAC at Elmendorf Anch.AK.. and SP at Barksdale.

  • @frankez1975
    @frankez1975 Год назад +21

    My friend was a 2W2 working in the WSA that day and told me the B52 impact wasn’t far from the ECP and the WSA lost all power……it came very close to being a million times worse. In regards to the C17 crash, I was stationed at JBLM and the AW flew a bunch of C17 personnel up there for the memorial, very sad times. RIP too all Airmen who perished in those two accidents.

    • @Skank_and_Gutterboy
      @Skank_and_Gutterboy 6 месяцев назад

      The crashing B-52 narrowly missed a building where a popular colonel on base was having a retirement ceremony. If the B-52 had hit that building, it had the potential to kill 400 people.

  • @246trixie
    @246trixie Год назад +1

    Hdy flight channel- havent seen you in a while, but love your videos x

  • @CDN1975
    @CDN1975 Год назад +2

    Totally preventable had the Air Force grounded Lt. Holland. God bless Lt. McGeehan for sacrificing his life by deciding to fly with Holland, so his men didn't have to. A true hero.
    Heartbreaking for the families of the innocent men lost.

    • @AKPolarBear
      @AKPolarBear Месяц назад

      Holland was always an arrogant asshole. Doing his preflight briefing was like trying to reign in a toddler with chocolate for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

  • @PatrickJMele
    @PatrickJMele Год назад +9

    Saddened by the 2 losses both crews and their families my prayers go out to them.

    • @gertjanvandermeij4265
      @gertjanvandermeij4265 Год назад

      Yeah because Praying really works 🤦‍♂

    • @alexp3752
      @alexp3752 Год назад +2

      @@gertjanvandermeij4265 Prayer does work, and it can never hurt...

  • @daletabat5612
    @daletabat5612 Год назад +6

    Really like your videos. Just one small thing. On the C-17 the flag was in the wrong direction on the left side of the vertical stabilizer. The blue should always be in the direction of the wind.

  • @Scott1433
    @Scott1433 Год назад +2

    Great video. Only thing that wasn't mentioned was the fact that you can see the ejection hatch has been deployed in the photo that was captured of the B-52 crash. The co-pilot attempted to eject but left it too late

  • @itslogeyyy
    @itslogeyyy Год назад +1

    Well researched videos. These just happen in seconds!! I'm shook.

  • @andybazz3694
    @andybazz3694 Год назад +6

    Very respectful bro not showing the impact . I love your channel I always look forward to your videos 👊🏻

  • @love2fly558
    @love2fly558 Год назад +15

    It’s amazing how age changes you. I got my PPL at 17yo. I remember doing maneuvers like these in a Piper Cherokee with friends (one of whom is now my bro-in-law). I flew for about 5 more years and stopped for a good 20 years. I took it up again 4 years ago and I don’t even like doing 60deg steep turns. My plane and I are too old; I’m too old to be bold again and who knows if the plane can still handle the +3.8g structural limit, so it’s normal cruise for me.

    • @Peasmouldia
      @Peasmouldia Год назад +3

      Yup, same here. My first CFI was an alcoholic going through an acrimonious divorce. At 17 I was so desperate to fly that I took what I could get. He frequently put me in situations I wasn't equipped to deal with. He performed aerobatics that the aircraft (Auster G-APTU) wasn't ticketed for.
      Even after progressing to rotary, same thing, I took rides just because I was so desperate to fly. As I got older, I'd realise the insane choices I had made, waking up in a cold sweat sometimes. Fortunately I gained some excellent mentors and realised how my own abilities were declining with age.
      I performed badly on a check ride and haven't flown since.

    • @soujrnr
      @soujrnr Год назад +1

      I started flying at age 23, but I never had that "wild hair" to do anything crazy in the Cessna I flew. I got married at 18, and I didn't want to do anything stupid that would result in my wife being widowed at a young age. That was 34 years ago. Still no wild hair either.

    • @rinzler9775
      @rinzler9775 Год назад +1

      These accidents are literally stuff you learn on your first ground school lesson, I can still hear it now "the steeper the bank, the higher the G, and the higher the G the greater the wing loading, the higher the wing loading the greater the stall speed". What ground school can't really teach you is the dangers of conplacency. The second crash was interesting because the pilot had a steep bank to the right combined with full right rudder - that's basically inducing a spin stall, not to mention the classic skid effect.

    • @LateNightCable
      @LateNightCable Год назад +1

      You guys are no fun at all, where are my old and bold pilots? Let’s have a shot and go do some wild banks! 🥃 ✈️

    • @soujrnr
      @soujrnr Год назад +1

      @@LateNightCable - LOL You first!! Merry Christmas!! 🙂🙂🙂

  • @johnstreet1812
    @johnstreet1812 8 месяцев назад

    Well done. On the live video of the C-17, you can actually almost see the moment the stall occurs and it enters uncontrollable flight.

  • @jasonplummer2931
    @jasonplummer2931 Год назад +1

    I was on the crash/recovery crew of the C17. We had issues of wolves and bear coming into the area. SF would "shew" the off for us as we worked.

  • @gaztastic
    @gaztastic Год назад +3

    That B-52 pilot seemed a little out of his element. Played too many video games maybe? The engines don't instantly respond to throttle inputs!

  • @Buc_Stops_Here
    @Buc_Stops_Here Год назад +3

    You have to like the Air Force's use of words in the second accident including "overconfidence" and "misplaced motivation" as the cause of that accident. Sounds like the two accidents share that in common. Neither should have happened, but the pilots were just not good decision makers.

  • @automaticacidemer
    @automaticacidemer Год назад

    Great video 👍

  • @user-gl9iz1bp1r
    @user-gl9iz1bp1r 5 месяцев назад +1

    Sad week at Fairchild AFB. This also occurred. "Gunman shoots and kills four people and wounds 22 at Fairchild Air Force Base hospital on June 20, 1994."

  • @marco3252626
    @marco3252626 Год назад +5

    I remember to have seen this video before on Flight channel. Am i right?

    • @shed66215
      @shed66215 Год назад +1

      Yes, both been on separately to show/explain the circumstances as to each crash and the causes behind them. That first one should never have happened if warnings had been heeded about Holland.

    • @xfoils5302
      @xfoils5302 Год назад +1

      Why is it on here again?

  • @2puffs770
    @2puffs770 Год назад +3

    Just WATCHING a simulation of that near vertical climb has made me nauseous, head swimming, etc..
    Imagine if I were aboard the real deal, I'd have been passed out the entire time.........
    Me: What do you mean we crashed?

  • @marcodebarkingville1827
    @marcodebarkingville1827 Год назад +2

    That old saying "complacency breeds contempt" could be applied to both pilots.

  • @catherineharris4746
    @catherineharris4746 Год назад

    The Globemaster and F-16 are 2 of the most beautiful plane's ever made in my opinion!💖👍👍

  • @privatepilot4064
    @privatepilot4064 Год назад +3

    There are a lot of old pilots and a lot of bold pilots, however, there are very few old, bold pilots. This is why. It got him and his crew killed. Aerodynamics are seldom forgiving, everyone must follow the rules and the cost for not following them is usually very expensive.

  • @anastaciasiplenko7282
    @anastaciasiplenko7282 Год назад +7

    Im so sorry about the crew!!! People with a lot of experience, IT's incredible

    • @rstidman
      @rstidman Год назад +1

      it's weird that people who are insane enough to commit a murder-suicide like the one in this video are able to even join the military.

    • @themerchantofengland
      @themerchantofengland Год назад +2

      @@rstidman do you think they crashed on purpose, serious question?

    • @catherineharris4746
      @catherineharris4746 Год назад +1

      @@themerchantofengland Hot dogging is a part of negligence that might as well be considered a purposeful action when someone knows that what they're doing is totally wrong and can and will lead to a crash😞 So I was a family member of the victims of which this idiot's hot dogging caused to die, I'd 100% consider this crash to have been done on purpose by a lunatic!😭

    • @catherineharris4746
      @catherineharris4746 Год назад +1

      I only feel sorrow for the victims on board that lost their lives because of this clowns irresponsible actions! Fk the pilot because he basically murdered those other crewmembers😞

    • @sidefx996
      @sidefx996 Год назад

      @@rstidman I'm not defending anyone's actions but it's called an accident dipshit. These pilots didn't kill anyone on purpose. Maybe you can prevent all future accidents of every kind with your ability to predict the future. Difference is when these guys make mistakes people die. When you make a mistake scrubbing a toilet at your 9-5 you just get to try again tomorrow.

  • @miou118google
    @miou118google Год назад

    Another beautiful video for the archives of human aviation.

  • @namcat53
    @namcat53 Год назад +2

    I can't imagine being on a plane flown by a known hot dog, dangerous pilot. I would refuse.

  • @TheVenominside
    @TheVenominside Год назад +9

    Is this a reupload? I saw this accident video before, maybe on another channel?

    • @donaldsalkovick396
      @donaldsalkovick396 Год назад +3

      Probably several different places I've seen them both several times. Maybe because he put both together its new?

    • @gama1123
      @gama1123 Год назад +3

      It is a re-upload, I was wondering the same thing. He in fact has posted two different videos before, one per accident. Not sure why he rehashed those two into one.

  • @GrouRocks
    @GrouRocks Год назад +5

    Is this a reupload? I recall a similar one where a risky move at an airshow went wrong.

    • @Giloup92
      @Giloup92 Год назад +1

      I recall it too.

    • @schuyler6323
      @schuyler6323 Год назад +4

      It is. This video first came out a while ago

  • @MillerMeteor74
    @MillerMeteor74 Год назад

    I used to watch The Flight Channel regularly, and somehow the videos stopped appearing in my feed. But today, this one appeared. Thank you. I have a suggestion for a future video. Should I send it to the gmail address in the description?

  • @MisdemeanorThoughts
    @MisdemeanorThoughts 10 месяцев назад

    When piloting an aircraft, a little more speed and a little more altitude, leading to a little more time always seems to be a better predictor of survival.

  • @carolinehoward180
    @carolinehoward180 Год назад +2

    Another fantastic upload TFC. Thanks! Totally tragic. The ego and over confidence can be a deadly combination 🙁

  • @hanabanana196476
    @hanabanana196476 Год назад +2

    Watching a plane spiral down out of the sky is TERRIFYING

  • @margarita8442
    @margarita8442 Год назад +6

    he went from hero to zero

  • @karenwaddell4724
    @karenwaddell4724 11 месяцев назад

    Omg. The music stirs up so much emotion. 😢❤🙏🏻❤️

  • @michaelwk67
    @michaelwk67 Год назад +1

    It's very sad that this crash caused the lives of many experienced airmen. No need to give negative comments...their families had enough of the agony of losing their beloved. Hope that the USAF have taken steps to prevent any recurrence. To the fallen airmen in the crash,may God grant their souls an eternal rest, amen

  • @billytopa
    @billytopa Год назад +6

    I was on holiday in the U.S. in ‘94 and remember reading this on the front page of the paper, the picture was taken just as the wing hit the ground. We were wondering how it could happen, now I know.

  • @wingnut2246
    @wingnut2246 Год назад +2

    I remember the B-52 Crash. In our ready room, we came to the conclusion that the Field Grade officer ratio was far too high in this sortie.

    • @jeffk464
      @jeffk464 Год назад

      Yeah, typically most of the pilots you see on the flight line are 2nd Lieutenant through Captain, with some majors thrown in.

  • @wandrinyew
    @wandrinyew Год назад +10

    B-52: Get altitude before engaging moves that will drop your altitude. Death spiral anyone?

  • @scbiddle
    @scbiddle Год назад

    I've just subscribed. The Flight Channel is to be commended for its production values, accuracy and tasteful programs, without narration. However, being a professional narrator myself, if you ever want to include a narration voiceover, get in touch!

  • @dan28301
    @dan28301 5 месяцев назад

    I only witnessed 2 major crashes while I was in the Army. The C-130 LAPES mission at Ft. Bragg, NC in 1987 and the E-3B Sentry in 1995 when I was stationed at Ft. Richardson, AK.

  • @TechnoBlogGuru
    @TechnoBlogGuru Год назад

    Watch my recent video "B777 Emergency Landing in Newark"
    ruclips.net/video/ow4iV3XZgqg/видео.html

  • @Comradedevmon
    @Comradedevmon Год назад +2

    Watching the B-52 crash part made me think he should have gained altitude for that go around. Then again I've seen what they do with the C-5 and C-17 when they are doing touch and goes. It's terrifying because sometimes they fly so low I'd think they're about to land on my parents house.

    • @kenjhee
      @kenjhee Год назад +1

      The problem wasn't altitude per se, it was that Holland thought he could make such a tight turn with a B-52. At any altitude that plane would have stalled from a maneuver like that, though if he was much higher up the plane might have been recovered.
      Holland apparently thought he could turn in front of a restricted fly zone behind the tower. Instead he simply should have taken the long way completely around, but he was too busy flying his strategic bomber like it was a fighter plane.

  • @rene5939
    @rene5939 Год назад +8

    in the past, present and future: Airplanes are there to fly from A to B. Not for doing weird stunts.

  • @MarkHenstridge
    @MarkHenstridge 11 месяцев назад

    This adds a new meaning to the old saying, dying to show off.

  • @JudoEagle32
    @JudoEagle32 Год назад +2

    If you lose respect for flying the plane, the plane loses respect for flying you.

  • @davidmeader6947
    @davidmeader6947 Год назад +2

    At 7:20 to 7:29 you can see the hatch blown off as the co-pilot attempted to eject. The ejection sequence did not have enough time to complete.

  • @daniellebrunel2960
    @daniellebrunel2960 Год назад +2

    That's what happen's unfortunately when you break the rules of aviation, causing not only the death of the pilot but of the other crew member's as well, once again very, very, sad.

  • @Za7a7aZ
    @Za7a7aZ 5 месяцев назад

    Reading some comments which makes it clear that Holland was responsible for the accident...and his senior officers for allowing him to carry on flying makes it such a tragedy for all the families..This man should not have been given the invitation to do an airshow in the first place

  • @yoloswaggins1579
    @yoloswaggins1579 6 месяцев назад +1

    It's amazing that the average flight sim gamer would've done a better job flying this plane than the pilot...

  • @BOEHHO89
    @BOEHHO89 Год назад +3

    There are old pilots and bold pilots but there are no bold old pilots ,so I have been told .

  • @TR-zx1lc
    @TR-zx1lc Год назад +3

    "The B52H is the final model..." not anymore it isn't!

  • @kevinmcdowell9074
    @kevinmcdowell9074 10 месяцев назад +1

    That Globemaster, those pilots mustve thought they were in a f15 due to the quick climb rate. But that low speed, steep bank angle, it just fell out of the sky. Sad.

  • @freedomfirst5557
    @freedomfirst5557 5 месяцев назад

    Glad you put up the picture and the name of Holland. Hopefully other hot shot wannabes don't want to bring shame to their children or family.

  • @RJDA.Dakota
    @RJDA.Dakota Год назад +3

    A complete and utter tragedy. But a super great video. It does demonstrate some of the arrogance of some of these pilots. It’s their superior’s fault for letting them do what they did. While accidents happen, a lot of these incidents could have been avoided.

    • @rinzler9775
      @rinzler9775 Год назад

      All landings are tracked by the tower - and these show boaters should have long been pulled up.