Chris Alou is hilarious his stories are priceless and his memorable moment about Ronnie James Dio was one of the best i have ever heard. I love Steve he has experienced so many concerts and albums. its mind numbing. i love Ryan Scow as well he always has the prop ready. Also it is really great to have someone like Sydney Taylor, Keeping the classic rock genre moving forward. she is a real nice person and such a screen presence and wonderful individual. and Pete you are the lynch pin of this whole venue, and your enthusaiam for music is very inspiring
Use your Illusions would have been another hell of an album if they just stacked all those killer songs on one album. I remember making a tape back in the day putting all my favorites on one album and it was a kickass listen.
Great job hosting Sydney! I agree with Pete on Motley Crue, 1st two albums good, lost me at Theater Pain. Agree with Steve on Queensryche. I would like to say mine was Rush! Lost me after Moving pictures! They turned into the Police, at Signals!
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast No. Animals, Wish You Were Here and The Wall are great. To me Darkside was the beginning of Floyd being great and the Wall was the end.
Great discussion and lots of picks that we can all relate to. Van Halen releasing "Jump" crushed me back in the day. Likewise Motley Crue with Theater of Pain. I'll always love Metallica, but it's still the first 4 albums. There were certain albums where I thought the band jumped the shark for me, but they won me over again. Two that come to mind are Maiden's Fear of the Dark and Motorhead's March or Die.
This is a really good subject. Looking forward to a reprise at some point. Maybe the biggest cause of 'jumping the shark' is sheer hubris. Chris is great as usual, so funny.
Pete, I totally get what you're saying about Motley Crue and I DO agree with you, however, there are few decent (heavier) tracks on Theater of Pain, Girls Girls Girls, Dr. Feelgood and Decade of Decadence that have a similar, if not heavier sound than their first two albums had, such as, Primal Scream, Kickstart My Heart, Dancing on Glass, Use It or Lose It, Save our Souls, Tonight (We Need a Lover), All in the Name Of, Wild Side, City Boy Blues, Five Years Dead, Sumthin' For Nuthin', Dr. Feelgood, If I Die Tomorrow, Rock N Roll Junkie, Teaser, and several others.
If Motley kept that same Shout image with the Theater of Pain album it would have been taken in a totally different way because there are some great heavy deep cuts on that record.
Dr. Feelgood was important to a lot of bands in the later 80's, because it became the Drum "Sound" that everyone was chasing in the studio. That explosive bombast with a reverse gated Snare; I often thought Lars's drums on AJfA was them running in the opposite drum sound direction to avoid any comparison.
Ooh Sydney should host the Hudson Valley Squares more often because it was a unique experience to watch! I still love Def Leppard, but man they are not the same band they were when they first started! Where's the heavy stuff?
If you see them live, they are still heavy. They can still rock. But their studio albums don’t. It’s really weird, I don’t know why they keep going on that ‘pop rock’ direction when they could be a proper hard rock band if they wanted to be. Surely they realise no one particularly rates anything they have done since the 1980s.
What a great episode for the Squares. Great topic, great new host - excellent job, Sydney - and great start with Pete going first. So many jump the shark and damned few are able to jump back over it. Have been listening to music in since the mid-60s and have suffered through some of this. A personal one for me is summed up in six words - Victim of Love by Elton John. Utter dreck and the only Elton album i listened to once and never again. Most of the albums of the 80s then continued to disappoint. The '92 album The One began a part redemption but have never really appreciated Elton as much since that fatal jump. Chicago also became a bit of a disappointment over time and I'm also more of a Tom Johnston Doobie Brothers fan than Michael McDonald. Those absent were missed as no doubt they would have entertaining opinions but those present did an absolutely great show. Thanks everyone.
For me, it's amazing how so many huge bands made incredible music, on their own terms, when they started in their early 20's and sometimes earlier. And then the money started rolling in and rolling out just as fast. So they started writing "hits" to make more and more money. Or in some cases, trying to keep up with the times (see: Queensryche). This was all at the cost of their integrity and their legacy. The names go on and on.....Aerosmith, Def Leppard, Queen, G'n'R, Rainbow and just about every 70's prog act. Be thankful for Iron Maiden, folks, even if you don't like the direction they've gone in the past few decades (which I do).
I couldn’t agree more with your comment about Iron Maiden. I have to admit, I was disappointed by No Prayer for the Dying/Fear of the Dark and had jumped the shark for the Blaze albums, I didn’t even buy them at the time. But Brave New World was a triumphant return and I am also a big fan of what they have done in the past 20 years.
I really like "Nuclear Furniture" from Jefferson Starship. There's a great song called "Sorry Me, Sorry You", which rocks. "Layin' it on the Line" is great too. Now, they really changed after that and went all synth pop.
Really cool show! Loved Sydney's hosting of the show. Some picks i predicted but some were new. It's also interesting Pete mentioned ulver, for me it was the opposite as I am not a fan of their black metal stuff. I love black metal and some of the classic bands too like satyricon, emperor and immortal but their black metal was a bit too raw for my taste with terrible production and little to no variation tempo wise. Perdition city was the album I jumped back on and it's my favourite album by them, it's an outstanding piece of work. I will admit that since then their albums have been sketchy and mixed but their latest album flowers of evil was quite good. They are now like the descendants of Depeche mode. My picks Aerosmith-post pump Van halen-post 1984 Kalmah-post for the revolution Leprous-post coal Acdc-post back in black Samael-post ceremony of opposites
The comments tonight on bands I was into so thoroughly reflect my exact sentiments that there's not much to say. Visiting my cassette vault was like a walk through shark jump history. I jumped Motley Crue after "Shout" I purchased "Theater" I jumped Metallica after "Black" I purchased "Load" I jumped Def Leppard after "Pyro" Thanks to MTV, I was spared the expense of purchasing "Hysteria" I jumped WASP after "Last Command" I purchased "Electric Circus" I never jumped Manowar, but I never listened to the newer stuff either because extreme metal had usurped them. Chris's behind the scenes commentary is enlightening--
Great show, great guest host sydney. For me it is 1. AC/DC 2.KISS 3. Def Leppard Also great to here more from pete... Love his musical knowledge and insight.
That was without doubt one of the best HVS shows yet, entertaining and hilarious. Two more examples would be HEART who had the Desmond child curse bringing in Dianne warren to get the hits/money the hits and MEGADETH following in the footsteps of METALLICA with the less thrashy more mainstream rock RISK album
Good job hosting Sydney. Appreciated your point about being too young to really to comment on this episode. Metallica did it for me with the black album. Used to have kill Bon Jovi stickers on James’ guitar, then write Nothing Else Matters which most would consider to be a good Bon Jovi song! Made me sick! Tried to give Load a chance but hated Reload. Did like Death Magnetic so there is still hope there.
Rush in mid 80s. However, I came back after seeing the R30 video and now love most of their catalog. Also Kiss when Dynasty came out. It was also the time I really went deep into classic prog. Although I occasionally feel some nostalgia for them, I have never regained interest in them.
Nice job Sydney, keeping the boys in line. King Allo was entertaining once again. Between ManoWar, ghosting Ghost, and obliterating the existence of WASP, all those stories are memorable. Try not to hold back next time. I liked the "new" format.
Ozzy - No More Tears was on my list, as well as Metallica, the Black album I've grown to like a few of the songs but Load onward, not so great. KISS after, Revenge, there is a few songs I like here and there but most of it is forgetable to me. Great show everyone, nice job hosting Sydney!
I agree on Metallica. "...And Justice For All" was the last album I cared about. There are a small few of good-to-great songs on the Black Album and even on "Death Magnetic", but aside from that, the first four albums is all the Metallica I will ever need.
@@BayouMaccabee I'm with ya there, after Justice I was waiting for a killer follow-up album, couldn't believe they had a couple ballads on there, it surprised me to say the least.
Very enjoyable, as always, and good hosting duties by Sidney. Must admit I laughed/sighed at the lack of Arctic Monkeys knowledge and being described as a newer band. First album came out in 2005 and was massive hit. That’s like being in 1995 describing Van Halen as a newer band 😂
Stoner metal band THE SWORD put out 4 great albums then jumped the shark with 2015's "High Country", had bits of electronica/dub, I don't even know what you call it but I couldn't get rid of the album fast enough. They've released a few more since then but I haven't bothered to check them out.
Cheers Craig! Much Music...the Pepsi Power Hour with J D Roberts. Lived for that show growing up. He later became John Roberts cbs news anchor. Salutations from Canada!
Arctic Monkeys: The band's second album, Favourite Worst Nightmare (2007), was also acclaimed by critics and won Best British Album at the 2008 BRIT Awards.
VIO-LENCE has 3 of the original members Phil, Sean & Perry along with Bobby Gustafson & Christian Wolbers which are great additions. The new e.p. is really good.
This was a very very entertaining episode!!! Cool and open concept, not like album vs album (saw none of those videos last month) Totally agree on Helloween. Pink bubbles go ape WTF?? PS: Ulver is not a very big band here in Norway
Winds of Change is the strange one. It's got a great title track, Black Widow is a killer hard rock track continuing in the style of Freedom at Point Zero, Modern Times and Grace's solo album Welcome to the Wrecking Ball, a sort of Motown throwback with Be My Lady, a quirky new wave song Out of Control but also songs that show a lot of signs of what was to come when Jefferson Starship became Starship.
Craig, I would suggest you listen to the "Retroactive" album from Def Leppard, released in 1993. It was a return to their heavy side and a farewell to that chapter of their career.
Another awesome show. You killed it, Syd. Pete, there's your guest host when you need one. My biggest jumped the shark band is Dokken. Sorry Syd, after Back for the Attack I just couldn't do it anymore. The albums were weak and un-Dokken like. In my opinion, anyway. But man, those early Dokken albums were killer. 🤘🤘
OMG. What a great show. Chris Alo is absolutely hilarious. Never disappoints. Another great topic.. Thanks for the laughs and the sharing of opinions. My jump the shark bands. 1 Aerosmith - After Done with Mirrors all done. 2. Metallica- After Justice for All , The Black Album finished it for me. 3. Van Halen - After 5150 I was done until Roth returned with a Different Kind of Truth (underrated album). I agree with Steve about Queensryche. I jumped the shark after Mindcrime. Wasn't a fan of Empire at all. Jumped back on when Todd LaTorre joined the band.
I like that Empire as an attempt to do something different. I've read they were under a lot of pressure to do essentially Mindcrime 2, but went in another direction. True, Empire is not my thing. If it was a first album from another band I wouldn't have bought it. But I can appreciate the work that went into it.
I actually went to my first Ghost concert February 15, 2022 in Toledo, OH. It was very enjoyable they had two opening acts - Twin Temple and VolBeat. VolBeat gave a really good performance it was my first time listening to them and Twin Temple this a shorter set but entertaining nonetheless. I do think Ghost could’ve done a longer set it felt like it ended a little too quick but it is what it is. They’re not as dark as they used to but I still enjoy their music. Looking forward to their new album coming out this week.
A lot of this depends on context. I was 15 when Permanent Vacation came out so it was my first Aerosmith album. I loved it and Pump and then I went back and discovered the earlier material which I enjoy too. But I can see why those into them for ten years before PV would say that.
Thanks, Sydney! Doors ...the first album w/o Jim Morrison /// Asia ...the first album w/o John Wetton /// YES ..two.albums post Fly From Here Moody Blues - post PatricK Moraz /// Van Halen - post Hagar/Balance /// The Rolling Stones post the Some Girls album.
Great show guys, sorry I'm a bit late catching up, and well done to Ms Taylor for a great job hosting! Here are a couple of mine you didn't mention (I don't think!) SCORPIONS after Love At First Sting (but the new album's great!) RUSH after Signals (but back on after Snakes & Arrows) MARILLION after Fish ("Fesh!" (C) Steven Reid) although Brave is pretty good, I suppose. Finally, thanks to Chris Alo for making me smile, despite what's going on in Eastern Europe at the moment. Music makes everything a little bit better...
Chris, I hear what you're saying about Manowar being jerkoffs (that story you told about Joey was messed up), but their two 90's albums (1992 and 1996) are pretty decent. I know the 28 minute opening track on their 1992 album is excessive, but all the other tracks are on par with all the stuff they did in the 80's imo.
Nice to see a bit of switch up and have Sydney host (still love you Pete). All good choices. For me, the Stones jumped at Under Cover. Wasn't a big fan of Emotional Rescue, but I gave them a pass. Tattoo you....meh, it had a couple of moments I really liked, but the signs were there for me. Under cover did it for me. The rock was gone, that pseudo disco title track sucked, and it went downhill from there. After that I just lost interest and I stick to playing the back catalogue. Great vieo as always !
Such a good episode. Chris A's Ghost rant was fucking hilarious but 100% hit the nail on the head. It's interesting how a change in style can turn folks off some bands, yet others such as Bowie and Alice Cooper didn't seem to alienate so many of their fans 🤔
Mine are 1. Aerosmith after Done With Mirrors(Rock In A Hard Place w/Jimmy Crespo & Rick Dufay is last great Aerosmith album). 2. Ozzy Osbourne after Diary Of A Madman 3. Queensryche w/Tate after Operation Mindcrime. Todd LaTorre's QR is great. 4. Metallica after And Justice For All 5. Blue Oyster Cult on Mirrors. It crushed their momentum. They bounced back with Cultosaurus Erectus & Fire Of Unknown Origin but, the damage was done. I agree Robin Trower & Yngwie need vocalists. Van Halen after Fair Warning. Diver Down was crap & Van Hagar was awful. Rush after the 70s.
Cool video. My picks would include but not limited to: Ozzy (after No More Tears), Def Leppard after Adrenalize (Kinda weak album overall but I think still has some decent songs) and Metallica (after the Black Album - just can’t into it. *I would argue LOAD is a decent hard rock album but not a Metallica album).
Chris, you should really give Ghost another shot! The thing is, not only they play tunes, but they also use the albums, the shows and the videos on their channel to tell a story. The first three albums have 3 different Papas as "protagonists". On the fourth album, Prequelle, the protagonist becomes a young Cardinal (who happens to be kind of a goofy rebel), called Copia. He is the old jewish dude who stayed too long in the bathtub (hahahaha). Aparently, in the new album they're about to drop, the Cardinal becomes a Papa himself. Anyway, it's an interesting narrative. However, even if you hate it, the music is still pretty great! I strongly advise you to listen to their third LP (in case you haven't heard it already), called Meliora. IMO, it's a masterpiece! The song "Cirice" is their best - a mixture of Sabbath, Mercyful Fate and ABBA! So fucking great! :)
I totally agree. The make-up, stage set, banter, different Papas, costumes, videos, comedic material, short skits and videos are all additional material you get with the band Ghost. If you just want the music, you can listen to the albums. If you liked the heaviness of the first album and can't get past what they evolved into, that's on you and plenty of bands (some mentioned in this show) have similar trajectories of starting in one genre and going to what they prefer to play. You get attention where and when you can, attain some success and notoriety and improve releasing additional material from there. My vinyl copy of 'Impera' by Ghost arrives this week. The sound is hard to categorize... it's a fusion of pop and metal and many others.
@@tommullin5154 Absolutely, man. I totally understand the people who love the first album and hate everything else they've released. However, I think they've just gotten better with time. Can't wait to hear Impera!!!
Prequelle was their worst album, imo. And everything I've heard off of Impera sounds worse. I've been a fan since their first album, and I thought Meliora was their best, but I won't be getting this one.
We disagree. No big deal. I am intrigued by this new sound Ghost has in their music. The keyboard part in 'Square Hammer' reminds me of The Cars. There's stuff like that on 'Prequelle' and on the new one 'Impera'. It's not the crunch of 'Mummy Dust', but it's still good and, obviously, not for everyone.
While Chris waited for Best Buy to blowout Chinese Democracy at $1.99, I got an additional 50% off by buying it at the Dollar Tree. I don't think either one of us got a good deal.
I've grown to enjoy a couple of the songs in a live setting with the recent lineup, but I still view Chinese Democracy with this feeling of eh, whatever. He broke up the band for that? 17 years later, millions of dollars in studio time and this was the best he could do!
That was a fun show to watch. I'm in Sydney's situation where a lot of the bands that were listed in this show ''jumped the shark'' before my time. I was 12 when Hysteria came out and was just getting into rock, and so i did like Hysteria.. back then. That being said, i hated Adrenalize when it came out, and years later, i have never gone back to Hysteria.. High N dry is THE only Def Leppard album i ever listen to. My biggest ''jump the shark'' is not very original: Metallica. The black album was a bit of a disappointment for my friends and I, but then it even got worse. I think that the Black Album just marked a big shift, not only in the music, but in the band's attitude. As for Ghost, i did enjoy their last album, but i 100% agree that Tobias' cringe-worthy speech's during the live shows are awful. And i haven't liked any of the new songs so far.. i'll still check out the new album, but it's not promising. Oh, and WASP: don't bother going to see them, unless you just want to watch Blackie lypsinc.
There are four bands/artists I can think of to fit in this category: Queen, Jethro Tull, David Bowie, and Chicago. I love all of these bands/artists and I still listen to their 1970s output but once they got into the '80s, then I didn't care for them so much. Examples of when each started: Queen with Hot Space; Jethro Tull with Under Wraps; David Bowie with Blue Jean; and Chicago after Terry Kath died and the "Peter Cetera sound" became the main focus. I glad Jefferson Starship was mentioned because they are one of my favorite bands. I agree with the dislike of Nuclear Furniture. Paul Kantner's solo album which came out a year before was better than Nuclear Furniture. Also, one has to keep in mind that they became two separate bands: Jefferson Starship and Starship...Starship being the more commercial, Top 40 band of the two. Which reminds me: PETE! When will you be doing a ranking of the albums of Jefferson Starship?
A lot of bands from the 60's and early 70's kept going a few albums too far. (Rolling Stones, I'm looking at you.) Something established bands should do is listen to their new album and ask themselves if this was their debut, would you release it and expect success?
Great show Pete and great job Sydney as host here a "few" bands.....I jumped off the train after a certain disappointing and or (bad) album: 1. Bon Jovi -------I was on board up to the New Jersey album then heard the next album "Keep the Faith" then jumped off the train 2. Def Leppard ------- I was on board up to Hysteria (I actuaaly gave them a pass on this album) but then I heard their next album "Adrenalize" and said that's it and jumped off that train 3. Ozzy Osbourne ------ This pains me to say because it's Ozzy but I gave him a pass for the Ozmosis album but then I heard "Down to Earth" and unfortunately jumped off the "crazy train" 4. Pearl Jam ------ at the time 1991 I thought "Ten" was a really cool sounding album but then the next album "VS" came out it was Ok at best and I decided to give them a pass then next comes "Vitology" (boring) and said basically after three albums I've heard enough and jumped off that train as well 5. Stone Temple Pilots ------ Again I was on board with the first two albums "Core" and "Purple" although I was kind of disappointed with "Purple" it was missing that dark edge that "Core" had but I gave them a pass but then the next album comes out called "Tiny Music Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop" and after hearing it not only did I jump off that train I wanted to hit the third rail......lol......it was just a boring snooze fest
Van Halen was the big band I jumped off. 1984 stung when it opened with synthesizers, but it still had some good rockers in it. For me, it was 5150. The songs Van Halen did from that album on, just bored me. EVH is a legend, but I want more crunchy guitar that moves the song along and not so much guitar solos and keyboards. I don’t think Sammy was the downfall. I think the songs just weren’t as good.
Ditto, and that caused me not to listen to Different Kind of Truth until 6 yrs after its release ... and it kicks ass. Chinatown and Stay Frosty would fit in VHII.
I feel the same about VH. I wish they would have grown up with the music and taken risks and taken different directions - e.g., like U2 did or RUSH or.....take your pick. VH did some good work in the later years - but no where near the early years. The more pop direction was not for me and I just wished they took more risks.
Steve, I am 100% in agreement with EVERYTHING you said about Metallica. I became a fan in 1988 with And Justice and while The Black album was decent and the tour was pretty good, everything after that was just not the same band. For me, the nail in the coffin is when Jason left in 2001 and James immediately got sober (and lost his balls) and Lars and Kirk forgot how to play their instruments. Everything since then has been beyond forced. They haven't been in it for "the music" since 1990 imo. When they hired Bob Rock, their signed their musical integrity away and they have never looked back.
Have you even heard Death Magnetic or Hard-Wired? I think both are pretty good and in the same vein of their first four 80's albums. I feel like way too many metalheads immediately dismiss every Metallica album after Justice For All without even giving them a chance. Maybe it's just me but I think both Load/Re-Load are underrated. Sure, they're not outright thrash metal like their classic stuff, but there's some good songs on both albums and goes to show the band had the talent to branch out in different styles. And they haven't "been in it for the music since 1990"? Dude, what other big name band would change styles and experiment the way they have? If anything it takes guts to do what they've done throughout their career. And again, I say their last two albums prove they've still got some fire left.
@@TheMrHavish I was actually going to comment on pretty much the same thing. I probably belong with you to the minority that has a different opinion about Metallica. Yes, especially "Load" and "Reload" were different, and I think it's good that they made them. Maybe I'm just too open-minded and positive about everything. Of course, I can imagine a thrash metal fan thinking "WTF" when they saw Metallica in cowboy hats, but on the other hand, I've never understood why people say it's a sellout. I dare say it's more of a sellout after all, when you do exactly what the fan base expects you to do and always follow the same safe path. I'd rather listen to something different than the 20th version of an old album. Those 80s albums will always be there. I think people forget that quickly.
Well, in my opinion, they were fine in the original lineup all the way through. Sure, you don't have to like everything they did in the 80s if you're a Queen fan from the 70s, but for me they jumped the shark after Freddie Mercury died. John Deacon was the only one with dignity to say "We're done". Nothing against Adam Lambert, but Brian May and Roger Taylor should have stopped with the Freddie Mercury tribute concert.
I wouldn't say they went from epic to embarrassing, they still had some decent songs in the 80s/90s but i agree that the albums weren't as strong as their untouchable 70s catalogue.
The only band that "jumped the shark" for me is a US power metal band called Virgin Steele. I've only known their leader and singer, David DeFeis (I'll get to him in a minute), thanks to Avantasia's studio version of 'Serpents in Paradise' (because I only knew the live version with Jorn Lande). I searched for VS in October 2021, because, according to Wikipedia, "inspired by Virgin Steele's metal opera, Avantasia wrote various albums using the same format." That metal opera was 'The House of Atreus: Acts I & II' (from '99 and 2000). I listened to them, and I was not disappointed. In fact, those albums are amazing! Then some time later, I discovered and listened to the two parts of 'The Marriage of Heaven and Hell' (from '94 and '95), and then 'Invictus' ('98), which is the conclusion of the 'Marriage' saga. Those five albums are FANTASTIC! (Check 'em out if you haven't.) Then, all of a sudden, I listened to 'Visions of Eden' (2006), and while the album was still good, the production was pretty bad, there was drum machine usages, and the vocals weren't as great, and they were even weaker on 'The Black Light Bacchanalia' (2010). Then, I've seen the live performances from 2010 that featured 'The Wine of Violence' and 'Noble Savage', and the vocals were pretty bad. And somewhere around this time, I've heard (and then, read) that DeFeis was discovering "the source of a severe, persistent pain, additional serious health issues (that) were discovered that need attention" while undergoing a medical exam in 2005. So, because of that, and DeFeis' howls, screams, and high falsettos, his voice was starting to decline in 'Visions', and even more on 'TBLB'. And THEN, came the ultimate factor, or factors, should I say: 'Nocturnes of Hellfire & Damnation' (2015) and the 'Seven Devils Moonshine' boxset (2018). On those albums, DeFeis' vocals were even worse. In fact, he was using autotunes for high-pitched screams, and even mid-range notes! Plus, the production was HORRENDOUS! And to make matters worse, there was a drum machine that sounds horrible. After listening to those, I got out of the Steele train, but I still love 'The Marriage of Heaven and Hell'/'Invictus' trilogy (from '94, '95, and '98) and the two 'The House of Atreus' albums (from '99 and 2000) so much! I have to mention David DeFeis once again. Why? Because he's the main reason why those later albums sound terrible. First of all, his once fantastic vocals are now annoying and terrible. Plus, in 2015, Virgin Steele's drummer Frank Gilchriest left the band after DeFeis opted to use a drum machine on the 'Nocturnes' album. I've read an interview of that time, and what he revealed was just GOD-AWFUL!!! If you read it, then you'll know what I mean, and I don't know what happened on the productions between 2000 and 2006, because there's a HUGE difference between the production of 'Atreus II' and 'Visions'. Speaking of the latter, since that album, DeFeis is now the one and only songwriter of Virgin Steele, without any contribution with a single member. So, in conclusion, Virgin Steele, once a massively underrated band, is now fucked up thanks to David DeFeis' ego, and since January 2022, I don't even care about him anymore. P.S.: I forgot to mention 'The Book of Burning' (2002), which contains re-arranged and re-recorded songs from the first Virgin Steele albums, as well as a track from the 'Atreus I' sessions. That album is also fantastic! Check it out as well if you haven't. Links: News about David DeFeis' health conditions in 2005: blabbermouth.net/news/virgin-steele-pull-out-of-bang-your-head-and-nummirock-festivals/ Live performance in 2010: ruclips.net/video/oKaoH9d7W9c/видео.html Frank Gilchriest interview in 2015: www.rockpages.gr/frank-gilchriest-quits-virgin-steeele/?lang=en
He used his lion scream way too much, it keeps increasing from album to album and got annoying really fast. I prefer his vocals from noble savage to the marriage albums. Less annoying screams then.
I LOVE early Virgin Steele. From the late 70's to the 90's, they were great and underrated. Sadly, David IS the reason they went to shit. Though they were never huge (sadly) to the point where there albums are out of print. Yet David has a huge ego, no question and he can't realize that it's time to retire. It's a sad story because they are awesome and Ed Pursino is a killer guitar player.
Deep Purple...my ALL TIME favorite band by a mile...jumped the shark after Blackmore left the last time. Blackmore was Deep Purple to me...ok...maybe Perpendicular wasn't bad....
G'n'R after UYI 1 for sure. UYI 2 had its moments, but the cracks were beginning to show. I would also say Boston after the 2cd album. Too long between albums & a revolving door of members. Also Styx Kilroy Was Here.
Oh man, how could I forget Billy Joel?! I had mad love and respect for the New York, working-class Billy Joel. But when he did Uptown Girl, that respect went out the window. And that awful video w/Christie Brinkley trying to dance made it absolutely intolerable. However, he earned my respect when he decided to stop recording after River of Dreams because he had nothing left to say. Someone should tell Elton John to do the same before he records another version of Candle In The Wind. Oh god, no, Elton, please don't. Not again!
This was a great show and Sydney did a great job! Loads I agreed with here - Metallica, Anthrax, Trower, Ozzy. But it's so interesting, how much when you got into a band colours your thoughts going forward. Hence, I love Def Leppard pre and post Hysteria - although the better stuff is on the first three albums - and the same with Aerosmith during Vacation and Pump - but then afterwards, that was too far! The early stuff is outrageously good as well obviously. Biggest one for me is no surprise and it's Maiden. An absolute force of nature up to Fear Of The Dark, which has highs and lows. No Prayer sucks big time, then I can live with the Blaze years. Brave New World?? That's AWESOME! But nearly everything afterwards has been substandard garbage to me.
1. U2: After Rattle & Hum the boat sank. 2. Genesis: They were on their last gasp with And Then They Were Three. Then they took their last breath. 3. Neil Young: Not a complete washout. But for the last 20 years or so he has went in and out, making albums that made me wish he'd never make another one and then we would bring back Crazy Horse and renew hope.
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast Afraid I can't follow you on this one. After Final Cut I was glad he left. And outside of Pros & Cons I do not like any of his solo albums at all. Personal choice, what can I say.
I have to disagree w/U2. I'm a huge fan and Achtung Baby, which came after Rattle and Hum, is one of their best albums besides The Joshua Tree. I think things started getting shaky w/Pop. I like Pop but it was a not so interesting retread of Zooropa. For me, All You Can't Leave Behind is when I started losing interest. Then, they came back w/How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb, which was pretty good. Then, they did No Line On The Horizon, which stunk, and I haven't bought a U2 album since.
@@Grandizer8989 Everybody likes what they like and that's cool. But personally I can't listen to it. I gave it a try back when it first came out and I couldn't take it to my used record store any quicker. I gave it another go some years later. Same result.
@@mick5137 Some use "AOR" to represent Adult-Oriented Rock (as in "soft rock" - maybe also "Yacht Rock"?). AOR as in Album-Oriented Rock grew out of 1970's prog (and "hard") rock, then I think morphed into "classic rock" sometime in the early 80's...From what I've read the (2nd type of) AOR was to break out of the standard radio station programming of playing hit singles & instead giving DJ's the freedom to play deeper tracks that weren't hits. At least at first. I can still remember one of our local FM stations playing whole sides of albums later in the evening & overnight on a regular basis, that was in the mid/late 70's... As the 70's went on the power to select what was played shifted to station program director types & largely away from DJ's, and they would focus largely on ratings & popularity. So in a way this whole thing came full circle back to playing the popular songs (where radio had started by only playing hit singles). I think classic rock tends to focus generally on popular tracks from classic artists (60's-90's). Depending on the classic rock station I think it can be tough to distinguish their classic rock from radio's initial approach of mainly playing hit singles, the main difference being that classic stations won't play new hit songs from the past 20 years or so. I don't listen to (music) radio any longer & it's been a while...
@@petervanbuskirk500 Can you believe they're in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I nearly puked when I found out. My favorite band constantly gets overlooked when Def Leppard, Bon Jovi and GNR to name a few are in. U2, The Police and Led Zeppelin are in. No shock there, I love those bands. Even PJ is there. Green Day is not classic rock. It's barely tolerable music. Wow, that's gross!
Here are my 3 Saxon - Crusader (Totally different sound for the American market) Raven - Stay Hard (Signed to Atlantic Records and tried to go commercial) Dep Leppard - Pyromania (We all know this story)
Ranking the Chris Alo rants in this episode. This was a tough one but I gotta go 1.Ghost 2.W.A.S.P 3. Manowar
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Chris alo should have he’s own rant show 😂
Chris Is So Real I Never Boarded The Ghost Train...🤘😉
To me it is very important what a critic hates/dislikes and why. That‘s why I love such shows. 😄
Pretty much any time Alo shows up, it's a good show. The guy is just naturally funny.
Nice job Sydney being the host
Nice job syd. Great show tonight fellas. Cheers.
All great picks. Hearing King Alo talk about Ghost was too funny. Thanks for the great content Pete. SOT IS THE BEST CHANNEL ON RUclips.
It's the best channel anywhere. AT/DT
This was a great show, long and funny great job Sydney.
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Chris Alou is hilarious his stories are priceless and his memorable moment about Ronnie James Dio was one of the best i have ever heard. I love Steve he has experienced so many concerts and albums. its mind numbing. i love Ryan Scow as well he always has the prop ready. Also it is really great to have someone like Sydney Taylor, Keeping the classic rock genre moving forward. she is a real nice person and such a screen presence and wonderful individual. and Pete you are the lynch pin of this whole venue, and your enthusaiam for music is very inspiring
Kudos Sydney.Great show,topic and discussion.
Use your Illusions would have been another hell of an album if they just stacked all those killer songs on one album. I remember making a tape back in the day putting all my favorites on one album and it was a kickass listen.
Nice debut Sydney hosting the show thanks xx
I agree with Sydney, Chris Alo could definitely be a stand up comedian
Great job Sydney! Good to see Chris on form too!
Great job, SYDNEY!!!
The King has spoken wisdom as usual!!!!
Great job hosting Sydney! I agree with Pete on Motley Crue, 1st two albums good, lost me at Theater Pain. Agree with Steve on Queensryche. I would like to say mine was Rush! Lost me after Moving pictures! They turned into the Police, at Signals!
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast
No. Animals, Wish You Were Here and The Wall are great. To me Darkside was the beginning of Floyd being great and the Wall was the end.
Great discussion and lots of picks that we can all relate to. Van Halen releasing "Jump" crushed me back in the day. Likewise Motley Crue with Theater of Pain. I'll always love Metallica, but it's still the first 4 albums. There were certain albums where I thought the band jumped the shark for me, but they won me over again. Two that come to mind are Maiden's Fear of the Dark and Motorhead's March or Die.
Awesome job hosting Sydney!
This is a really good subject. Looking forward to a reprise at some point. Maybe the biggest cause of 'jumping the shark' is sheer hubris. Chris is great as usual, so funny.
Sydney is a great host awesome job! She’s really chill and so cute!
Awesome job Sydney
Excellent show...Bravo. Chris Alo rules.😀👍👍
Loved this episode and all great choices. Great job Syd 🤘🤘🤘
Pete, I totally get what you're saying about Motley Crue and I DO agree with you, however, there are few decent (heavier) tracks on Theater of Pain, Girls Girls Girls, Dr. Feelgood and Decade of Decadence that have a similar, if not heavier sound than their first two albums had, such as, Primal Scream, Kickstart My Heart, Dancing on Glass, Use It or Lose It, Save our Souls, Tonight (We Need a Lover), All in the Name Of, Wild Side, City Boy Blues, Five Years Dead, Sumthin' For Nuthin', Dr. Feelgood, If I Die Tomorrow, Rock N Roll Junkie, Teaser, and several others.
If Motley kept that same Shout image with the Theater of Pain album it would have been taken in a totally different way because there are some great heavy deep cuts on that record.
Dr. Feelgood was important to a lot of bands in the later 80's, because it became the Drum "Sound" that everyone was chasing in the studio. That explosive bombast with a reverse gated Snare; I often thought Lars's drums on AJfA was them running in the opposite drum sound direction to avoid any comparison.
Ooh Sydney should host the Hudson Valley Squares more often because it was a unique experience to watch! I still love Def Leppard, but man they are not the same band they were when they first started! Where's the heavy stuff?
If you see them live, they are still heavy. They can still rock. But their studio albums don’t. It’s really weird, I don’t know why they keep going on that ‘pop rock’ direction when they could be a proper hard rock band if they wanted to be. Surely they realise no one particularly rates anything they have done since the 1980s.
Sidny is a great host!👍👍👍👍👍
Genesis - We Can't Dance brought it all tumbling down
What a great episode for the Squares. Great topic, great new host - excellent job, Sydney - and great start with Pete going first. So many jump the shark and damned few are able to jump back over it. Have been listening to music in since the mid-60s and have suffered through some of this. A personal one for me is summed up in six words - Victim of Love by Elton John. Utter dreck and the only Elton album i listened to once and never again. Most of the albums of the 80s then continued to disappoint. The '92 album The One began a part redemption but have never really appreciated Elton as much since that fatal jump. Chicago also became a bit of a disappointment over time and I'm also more of a Tom Johnston Doobie Brothers fan than Michael McDonald. Those absent were missed as no doubt they would have entertaining opinions but those present did an absolutely great show. Thanks everyone.
For me, it's amazing how so many huge bands made incredible music, on their own terms, when they started in their early 20's and sometimes earlier. And then the money started rolling in and rolling out just as fast. So they started writing "hits" to make more and more money. Or in some cases, trying to keep up with the times (see: Queensryche). This was all at the cost of their integrity and their legacy. The names go on and on.....Aerosmith, Def Leppard, Queen, G'n'R, Rainbow and just about every 70's prog act.
Be thankful for Iron Maiden, folks, even if you don't like the direction they've gone in the past few decades (which I do).
I couldn’t agree more with your comment about Iron Maiden. I have to admit, I was disappointed by No Prayer for the Dying/Fear of the Dark and had jumped the shark for the Blaze albums, I didn’t even buy them at the time. But Brave New World was a triumphant return and I am also a big fan of what they have done in the past 20 years.
I really like "Nuclear Furniture" from Jefferson Starship. There's a great song called "Sorry Me, Sorry You", which rocks. "Layin' it on the Line" is great too. Now, they really changed after that and went all synth pop.
Thank you for your opinions.
All the damn time.
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The Who not breaking up when Keith Moon died.
Really cool show! Loved Sydney's hosting of the show. Some picks i predicted but some were new. It's also interesting Pete mentioned ulver, for me it was the opposite as I am not a fan of their black metal stuff. I love black metal and some of the classic bands too like satyricon, emperor and immortal but their black metal was a bit too raw for my taste with terrible production and little to no variation tempo wise. Perdition city was the album I jumped back on and it's my favourite album by them, it's an outstanding piece of work. I will admit that since then their albums have been sketchy and mixed but their latest album flowers of evil was quite good. They are now like the descendants of Depeche mode.
My picks
Aerosmith-post pump
Van halen-post 1984
Kalmah-post for the revolution
Leprous-post coal
Acdc-post back in black
Samael-post ceremony of opposites
The comments tonight on bands I was into so thoroughly reflect my exact sentiments that there's not much to say. Visiting my cassette vault was like a walk through shark jump history.
I jumped Motley Crue after "Shout" I purchased "Theater"
I jumped Metallica after "Black" I purchased "Load"
I jumped Def Leppard after "Pyro" Thanks to MTV, I was spared the expense of purchasing "Hysteria"
I jumped WASP after "Last Command" I purchased "Electric Circus"
I never jumped Manowar, but I never listened to the newer stuff either because extreme metal had usurped them.
Chris's behind the scenes commentary is enlightening--
Oh, one more, Queensryche after "Empire"
Yet another GREAT job by the HVS!!! Just getting to this one. Great job Sydney!!!!
Great hosting, great guests, great topic. Awesome episode!
Love Hysteria, Black album, Appetite for destruction, & Permanent vacation so I definitely didn't jump 🤣🤣
Great show, great guest host sydney.
For me it is
1. AC/DC
2.KISS
3. Def Leppard
Also great to here more from pete...
Love his musical knowledge and insight.
That was without doubt one of the best HVS shows yet, entertaining and hilarious.
Two more examples would be HEART who had the Desmond child curse bringing in Dianne warren to get the hits/money the hits and MEGADETH following in the footsteps of METALLICA with the less thrashy more mainstream rock RISK album
Good job hosting Sydney. Appreciated your point about being too young to really to comment on this episode.
Metallica did it for me with the black album. Used to have kill Bon Jovi stickers on James’ guitar, then write Nothing Else Matters which most would consider to be a good Bon Jovi song! Made me sick! Tried to give Load a chance but hated Reload. Did like Death Magnetic so there is still hope there.
The Ozzy Story was inspiring! No More Tears!
The rant on Ghost was amazing!
Love the squares so much.
Cubic feet of LuV Canberra Bound
Rush in mid 80s. However, I came back after seeing the R30 video and now love most of their catalog. Also Kiss when Dynasty came out. It was also the time I really went deep into classic prog. Although I occasionally feel some nostalgia for them, I have never regained interest in them.
Great job Sydney! You are other worldly!
Nice job Sydney, keeping the boys in line. King Allo was entertaining once again. Between ManoWar, ghosting Ghost, and obliterating the existence of WASP, all those stories are memorable. Try not to hold back next time. I liked the "new" format.
That girl is great. I love Hysteria, it's a great album, over produced but it's that 'type'. 'Perfect'.
Really great show, nice work hosting Sydney. However, I must know what Chris Alo thought of The Batman movie!!
The new Batman? I liked it! I didn't love it, but I liked it. It was a little too long.
@@chrisalo2989 Glad to know you enjoyed it. Yeah it’s definitely a bit long; it didn’t bother me but I definitely get the criticism.
Amazing topic
Ozzy - No More Tears was on my list, as well as Metallica, the Black album I've grown to like a few of the songs but Load onward, not so great. KISS after, Revenge, there is a few songs I like here and there but most of it is forgetable to me. Great show everyone, nice job hosting Sydney!
I agree on Metallica. "...And Justice For All" was the last album I cared about. There are a small few of good-to-great songs on the Black Album and even on "Death Magnetic", but aside from that, the first four albums is all the Metallica I will ever need.
@@BayouMaccabee I'm with ya there, after Justice I was waiting for a killer follow-up album, couldn't believe they had a couple ballads on there, it surprised me to say the least.
Very enjoyable, as always, and good hosting duties by Sidney. Must admit I laughed/sighed at the lack of Arctic Monkeys knowledge and being described as a newer band. First album came out in 2005 and was massive hit. That’s like being in 1995 describing Van Halen as a newer band 😂
Yup! They can just do a RUclips search of any band.
Great job Sydney!! Awesome show and I loved the video thumb! :D
Stoner metal band THE SWORD put out 4 great albums then jumped the shark with 2015's "High Country", had bits of electronica/dub, I don't even know what you call it but I couldn't get rid of the album fast enough. They've released a few more since then but I haven't bothered to check them out.
Cheers Craig! Much Music...the Pepsi Power Hour with J D Roberts. Lived for that show growing up. He later became John Roberts cbs news anchor. Salutations from Canada!
Hell yeah! My brother and I got into tons of new music courtesy of the Power Hour, Thursdays on MuchMusic! 🤘🤘
Arctic Monkeys: The band's second album, Favourite Worst Nightmare (2007), was also acclaimed by critics and won Best British Album at the 2008 BRIT Awards.
VIO-LENCE has 3 of the original members Phil, Sean & Perry along with Bobby Gustafson & Christian Wolbers which are great additions. The new e.p. is really good.
This was a very very entertaining episode!!! Cool and open concept, not like album vs album (saw none of those videos last month) Totally agree on Helloween. Pink bubbles go ape WTF??
PS: Ulver is not a very big band here in Norway
Great job hosting Sydney! Though the lack of Ryan and Nick made this episode less than what it could have been.
Agree, I missed Ryan, Nick- and Butch. I think all three might have had some interesting input on this topic.
@@jimmycampbell78 I agree. It's always a shame when the regulars can't make it.
@@jimmycampbell78 Yeah Butch too. I guess I left him out cos it feels like Ryan and Nick were more regular than he was.
Winds of Change is the strange one. It's got a great title track, Black Widow is a killer hard rock track continuing in the style of Freedom at Point Zero, Modern Times and Grace's solo album Welcome to the Wrecking Ball, a sort of Motown throwback with Be My Lady, a quirky new wave song Out of Control but also songs that show a lot of signs of what was to come when Jefferson Starship became Starship.
Craig, I would suggest you listen to the "Retroactive" album from Def Leppard, released in 1993. It was a return to their heavy side and a farewell to that chapter of their career.
Most of those songs were all B-sides 😀
I have heard that album; a few OK-ish songs, just not my thing. Probably their best album cover.
The 2016 double album called Def Leppard is great too. It's a back to basics album. Pretty rocking, but probably not for those who have jumped ship.
It is great album. Specially song From the inside.
Another awesome show. You killed it, Syd. Pete, there's your guest host when you need one. My biggest jumped the shark band is Dokken. Sorry Syd, after Back for the Attack I just couldn't do it anymore. The albums were weak and un-Dokken like. In my opinion, anyway. But man, those early Dokken albums were killer. 🤘🤘
OMG. What a great show. Chris Alo is absolutely hilarious. Never disappoints. Another great topic.. Thanks for the laughs and the sharing of opinions. My jump the shark bands. 1 Aerosmith - After Done with Mirrors all done. 2. Metallica- After Justice for All , The Black Album finished it for me. 3. Van Halen - After 5150 I was done until Roth returned with a Different Kind of Truth (underrated album).
I agree with Steve about Queensryche. I jumped the shark after Mindcrime. Wasn't a fan of Empire at all. Jumped back on when Todd LaTorre joined the band.
I like that Empire as an attempt to do something different. I've read they were under a lot of pressure to do essentially Mindcrime 2, but went in another direction.
True, Empire is not my thing. If it was a first album from another band I wouldn't have bought it. But I can appreciate the work that went into it.
I actually went to my first Ghost concert February 15, 2022 in Toledo, OH. It was very enjoyable they had two opening acts - Twin Temple and VolBeat. VolBeat gave a really good performance it was my first time listening to them and Twin Temple this a shorter set but entertaining nonetheless. I do think Ghost could’ve done a longer set it felt like it ended a little too quick but it is what it is. They’re not as dark as they used to but I still enjoy their music. Looking forward to their new album coming out this week.
Great job Sydney
A lot of this depends on context. I was 15 when Permanent Vacation came out so it was my first Aerosmith album. I loved it and Pump and then I went back and discovered the earlier material which I enjoy too. But I can see why those into them for ten years before PV would say that.
Thanks, Sydney!
Doors ...the first album w/o Jim Morrison
/// Asia ...the first album w/o John Wetton
/// YES ..two.albums post Fly From Here
Moody Blues - post PatricK Moraz
/// Van Halen - post Hagar/Balance /// The Rolling Stones post the Some Girls album.
Great show guys, sorry I'm a bit late catching up, and well done to Ms Taylor for a great job hosting! Here are a couple of mine you didn't mention (I don't think!)
SCORPIONS after Love At First Sting (but the new album's great!)
RUSH after Signals (but back on after Snakes & Arrows)
MARILLION after Fish ("Fesh!" (C) Steven Reid) although Brave is pretty good, I suppose.
Finally, thanks to Chris Alo for making me smile, despite what's going on in Eastern Europe at the moment. Music makes everything a little bit better...
No Seasons End love buddy?
@@bmardon2112 Hmm, OK, 1 or 2 songs... Holidays as well, maybe, but since then? Zilch...
Chris, I hear what you're saying about Manowar being jerkoffs (that story you told about Joey was messed up), but their two 90's albums (1992 and 1996) are pretty decent. I know the 28 minute opening track on their 1992 album is excessive, but all the other tracks are on par with all the stuff they did in the 80's imo.
Yep, you are right, those aren't bad albums, just not as great as the early stuff. But it was 2002/2003 where they lost me and I checked out.
It’s almost like VH were rubbing it in our faces. They jumped the shark with a song called “Jump” 😂
U2 after Pop. Never would have thought they would come up with something as great as All that you can‘t leave behind in 2001.
Nice to see a bit of switch up and have Sydney host (still love you Pete). All good choices. For me, the Stones jumped at Under Cover. Wasn't a big fan of Emotional Rescue, but I gave them a pass. Tattoo you....meh, it had a couple of moments I really liked, but the signs were there for me. Under cover did it for me. The rock was gone, that pseudo disco title track sucked, and it went downhill from there. After that I just lost interest and I stick to playing the back catalogue. Great vieo as always !
'Kill Fuck Die'?! Bet that went down well at Walmart.
Where are Ryan Nic and Butch? Thought that they would be all over this topic? Great show anyway as always!
They had other commitments and couldn’t make the show.
Such a good episode. Chris A's Ghost rant was fucking hilarious but 100% hit the nail on the head.
It's interesting how a change in style can turn folks off some bands, yet others such as Bowie and Alice Cooper didn't seem to alienate so many of their fans 🤔
I liked the production on shout at the devil. And I liked the lack of production on too fast for love.
Mine are
1. Aerosmith after Done With Mirrors(Rock In A Hard Place w/Jimmy Crespo & Rick Dufay is last great Aerosmith album).
2. Ozzy Osbourne after Diary Of A Madman
3. Queensryche w/Tate after Operation Mindcrime. Todd LaTorre's QR is great.
4. Metallica after And Justice For All
5. Blue Oyster Cult on Mirrors. It crushed their momentum. They bounced back with Cultosaurus Erectus & Fire Of Unknown Origin but, the damage was done.
I agree Robin Trower & Yngwie need vocalists.
Van Halen after Fair Warning. Diver Down was crap & Van Hagar was awful.
Rush after the 70s.
Cool video. My picks would include but not limited to: Ozzy (after No More Tears), Def Leppard after Adrenalize (Kinda weak album overall but I think still has some decent songs) and
Metallica (after the Black Album - just can’t into it. *I would argue LOAD is a decent hard rock album but not a Metallica album).
Chris, you should really give Ghost another shot! The thing is, not only they play tunes, but they also use the albums, the shows and the videos on their channel to tell a story. The first three albums have 3 different Papas as "protagonists". On the fourth album, Prequelle, the protagonist becomes a young Cardinal (who happens to be kind of a goofy rebel), called Copia. He is the old jewish dude who stayed too long in the bathtub (hahahaha). Aparently, in the new album they're about to drop, the Cardinal becomes a Papa himself. Anyway, it's an interesting narrative. However, even if you hate it, the music is still pretty great! I strongly advise you to listen to their third LP (in case you haven't heard it already), called Meliora. IMO, it's a masterpiece! The song "Cirice" is their best - a mixture of Sabbath, Mercyful Fate and ABBA! So fucking great! :)
I totally agree. The make-up, stage set, banter, different Papas, costumes, videos, comedic material, short skits and videos are all additional material you get with the band Ghost. If you just want the music, you can listen to the albums. If you liked the heaviness of the first album and can't get past what they evolved into, that's on you and plenty of bands (some mentioned in this show) have similar trajectories of starting in one genre and going to what they prefer to play. You get attention where and when you can, attain some success and notoriety and improve releasing additional material from there. My vinyl copy of 'Impera' by Ghost arrives this week. The sound is hard to categorize... it's a fusion of pop and metal and many others.
@@tommullin5154 Absolutely, man. I totally understand the people who love the first album and hate everything else they've released. However, I think they've just gotten better with time. Can't wait to hear Impera!!!
Prequelle was their worst album, imo. And everything I've heard off of Impera sounds worse.
I've been a fan since their first album, and I thought Meliora was their best, but I won't be getting this one.
We disagree. No big deal. I am intrigued by this new sound Ghost has in their music. The keyboard part in 'Square Hammer' reminds me of The Cars. There's stuff like that on 'Prequelle' and on the new one 'Impera'. It's not the crunch of 'Mummy Dust', but it's still good and, obviously, not for everyone.
While Chris waited for Best Buy to blowout Chinese Democracy at $1.99, I got an additional 50% off by buying it at the Dollar Tree. I don't think either one of us got a good deal.
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@@gorkaanduezamanrique2449 If the laugh was good, you owe me a thumbs up, and a smile.
truth!!!
I've grown to enjoy a couple of the songs in a live setting with the recent lineup, but I still view Chinese Democracy with this feeling of eh, whatever. He broke up the band for that? 17 years later, millions of dollars in studio time and this was the best he could do!
We need a "Chris Alo Best Rant" episode btw.
That was a fun show to watch. I'm in Sydney's situation where a lot of the bands that were listed in this show ''jumped the shark'' before my time. I was 12 when Hysteria came out and was just getting into rock, and so i did like Hysteria.. back then. That being said, i hated Adrenalize when it came out, and years later, i have never gone back to Hysteria.. High N dry is THE only Def Leppard album i ever listen to.
My biggest ''jump the shark'' is not very original: Metallica. The black album was a bit of a disappointment for my friends and I, but then it even got worse. I think that the Black Album just marked a big shift, not only in the music, but in the band's attitude.
As for Ghost, i did enjoy their last album, but i 100% agree that Tobias' cringe-worthy speech's during the live shows are awful. And i haven't liked any of the new songs so far.. i'll still check out the new album, but it's not promising.
Oh, and WASP: don't bother going to see them, unless you just want to watch Blackie lypsinc.
There are four bands/artists I can think of to fit in this category: Queen, Jethro Tull, David Bowie, and Chicago. I love all of these bands/artists and I still listen to their 1970s output but once they got into the '80s, then I didn't care for them so much. Examples of when each started: Queen with Hot Space; Jethro Tull with Under Wraps; David Bowie with Blue Jean; and Chicago after Terry Kath died and the "Peter Cetera sound" became the main focus. I glad Jefferson Starship was mentioned because they are one of my favorite bands. I agree with the dislike of Nuclear Furniture. Paul Kantner's solo album which came out a year before was better than Nuclear Furniture. Also, one has to keep in mind that they became two separate bands: Jefferson Starship and Starship...Starship being the more commercial, Top 40 band of the two. Which reminds me: PETE! When will you be doing a ranking of the albums of Jefferson Starship?
A lot of bands from the 60's and early 70's kept going a few albums too far. (Rolling Stones, I'm looking at you.)
Something established bands should do is listen to their new album and ask themselves if this was their debut, would you release it and expect success?
Definitely Queen... only the 70's matter.
Great show Pete and great job Sydney as host here a "few" bands.....I jumped off the train after a certain disappointing and or (bad) album:
1. Bon Jovi -------I was on board up to the New Jersey album then heard the next album "Keep the Faith" then jumped off the train
2. Def Leppard ------- I was on board up to Hysteria (I actuaaly gave them a pass on this album) but then I heard their next album "Adrenalize" and said that's it and jumped off that train
3. Ozzy Osbourne ------ This pains me to say because it's Ozzy but I gave him a pass for the Ozmosis album but then I heard "Down to Earth" and unfortunately jumped off the "crazy train"
4. Pearl Jam ------ at the time 1991 I thought "Ten" was a really cool sounding album but then the next album "VS" came out it was Ok at best and I decided to give them a pass then next comes "Vitology" (boring) and said basically after three albums I've heard enough and jumped off that train as well
5. Stone Temple Pilots ------ Again I was on board with the first two albums "Core" and "Purple" although I was kind of disappointed with "Purple" it was missing that dark edge that "Core" had but I gave them a pass but then the next album comes out called "Tiny Music Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop" and after hearing it not only did I jump off that train I wanted to hit the third rail......lol......it was just a boring snooze fest
No Code is PJ's best album, and not all THAT great. Nothing before or after works for me.
Van Halen was the big band I jumped off. 1984 stung when it opened with synthesizers, but it still had some good rockers in it. For me, it was 5150. The songs Van Halen did from that album on, just bored me. EVH is a legend, but I want more crunchy guitar that moves the song along and not so much guitar solos and keyboards. I don’t think Sammy was the downfall. I think the songs just weren’t as good.
Ditto, and that caused me not to listen to Different Kind of Truth until 6 yrs after its release ... and it kicks ass. Chinatown and Stay Frosty would fit in VHII.
I feel the same about VH. I wish they would have grown up with the music and taken risks and taken different directions - e.g., like U2 did or RUSH or.....take your pick. VH did some good work in the later years - but no where near the early years. The more pop direction was not for me and I just wished they took more risks.
Steve, I am 100% in agreement with EVERYTHING you said about Metallica. I became a fan in 1988 with And Justice and while The Black album was decent and the tour was pretty good, everything after that was just not the same band. For me, the nail in the coffin is when Jason left in 2001 and James immediately got sober (and lost his balls) and Lars and Kirk forgot how to play their instruments. Everything since then has been beyond forced. They haven't been in it for "the music" since 1990 imo. When they hired Bob Rock, their signed their musical integrity away and they have never looked back.
Recently saw a Hetfield interview where he showed some regret for the way Jason was treated. Shame.
I wish Jason was still in the band too! He was such a good fit for them and his backing vocals were amazing!
Have you even heard Death Magnetic or Hard-Wired? I think both are pretty good and in the same vein of their first four 80's albums. I feel like way too many metalheads immediately dismiss every Metallica album after Justice For All without even giving them a chance.
Maybe it's just me but I think both Load/Re-Load are underrated. Sure, they're not outright thrash metal like their classic stuff, but there's some good songs on both albums and goes to show the band had the talent to branch out in different styles.
And they haven't "been in it for the music since 1990"? Dude, what other big name band would change styles and experiment the way they have? If anything it takes guts to do what they've done throughout their career. And again, I say their last two albums prove they've still got some fire left.
Dan Maler, I couldn't agree more, so sad thinking how much potential and momentum they had back in 1990...
@@TheMrHavish I was actually going to comment on pretty much the same thing. I probably belong with you to the minority that has a different opinion about Metallica. Yes, especially "Load" and "Reload" were different, and I think it's good that they made them. Maybe I'm just too open-minded and positive about everything. Of course, I can imagine a thrash metal fan thinking "WTF" when they saw Metallica in cowboy hats, but on the other hand, I've never understood why people say it's a sellout. I dare say it's more of a sellout after all, when you do exactly what the fan base expects you to do and always follow the same safe path. I'd rather listen to something different than the 20th version of an old album. Those 80s albums will always be there. I think people forget that quickly.
GREAT TOPIC AND LINEUP GREAT JOB
Biggest band ever to go from epic to embarrassing is QUEEN by a mile!
Correct. They lost me after “News of the world”.
@@growlers90 Great record, maybe my favorite Queen album. I don't like the later Queen/blatantly pop tunes either
Well, in my opinion, they were fine in the original lineup all the way through. Sure, you don't have to like everything they did in the 80s if you're a Queen fan from the 70s, but for me they jumped the shark after Freddie Mercury died. John Deacon was the only one with dignity to say "We're done". Nothing against Adam Lambert, but Brian May and Roger Taylor should have stopped with the Freddie Mercury tribute concert.
@La Barba Azul68 yep, The Game was the last one for me
I wouldn't say they went from epic to embarrassing, they still had some decent songs in the 80s/90s but i agree that the albums weren't as strong as their untouchable 70s catalogue.
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Great episode, funny as always. Chris you should give The Crimson idol a chance you won’t be disappointed. Arguably their best album
The Offspring - Americana
Green Day - 21st Century Breakdown
Live - The Distance From Here
Weezer - Make Believe
LOL Papa looked like an old Jewish dude! 😂 Saw them open for Maiden and that’s pretty spot on. Their first album reminds me of BÖC and I dig it.
For me one example would be Smashing Pumpkins with Adore.
Good one.
The only band that "jumped the shark" for me is a US power metal band called Virgin Steele. I've only known their leader and singer, David DeFeis (I'll get to him in a minute), thanks to Avantasia's studio version of 'Serpents in Paradise' (because I only knew the live version with Jorn Lande). I searched for VS in October 2021, because, according to Wikipedia, "inspired by Virgin Steele's metal opera, Avantasia wrote various albums using the same format." That metal opera was 'The House of Atreus: Acts I & II' (from '99 and 2000). I listened to them, and I was not disappointed. In fact, those albums are amazing! Then some time later, I discovered and listened to the two parts of 'The Marriage of Heaven and Hell' (from '94 and '95), and then 'Invictus' ('98), which is the conclusion of the 'Marriage' saga. Those five albums are FANTASTIC! (Check 'em out if you haven't.) Then, all of a sudden, I listened to 'Visions of Eden' (2006), and while the album was still good, the production was pretty bad, there was drum machine usages, and the vocals weren't as great, and they were even weaker on 'The Black Light Bacchanalia' (2010).
Then, I've seen the live performances from 2010 that featured 'The Wine of Violence' and 'Noble Savage', and the vocals were pretty bad. And somewhere around this time, I've heard (and then, read) that DeFeis was discovering "the source of a severe, persistent pain, additional serious health issues (that) were discovered that need attention" while undergoing a medical exam in 2005. So, because of that, and DeFeis' howls, screams, and high falsettos, his voice was starting to decline in 'Visions', and even more on 'TBLB'. And THEN, came the ultimate factor, or factors, should I say: 'Nocturnes of Hellfire & Damnation' (2015) and the 'Seven Devils Moonshine' boxset (2018). On those albums, DeFeis' vocals were even worse. In fact, he was using autotunes for high-pitched screams, and even mid-range notes! Plus, the production was HORRENDOUS! And to make matters worse, there was a drum machine that sounds horrible. After listening to those, I got out of the Steele train, but I still love 'The Marriage of Heaven and Hell'/'Invictus' trilogy (from '94, '95, and '98) and the two 'The House of Atreus' albums (from '99 and 2000) so much!
I have to mention David DeFeis once again. Why? Because he's the main reason why those later albums sound terrible. First of all, his once fantastic vocals are now annoying and terrible. Plus, in 2015, Virgin Steele's drummer Frank Gilchriest left the band after DeFeis opted to use a drum machine on the 'Nocturnes' album. I've read an interview of that time, and what he revealed was just GOD-AWFUL!!! If you read it, then you'll know what I mean, and I don't know what happened on the productions between 2000 and 2006, because there's a HUGE difference between the production of 'Atreus II' and 'Visions'. Speaking of the latter, since that album, DeFeis is now the one and only songwriter of Virgin Steele, without any contribution with a single member. So, in conclusion, Virgin Steele, once a massively underrated band, is now fucked up thanks to David DeFeis' ego, and since January 2022, I don't even care about him anymore.
P.S.: I forgot to mention 'The Book of Burning' (2002), which contains re-arranged and re-recorded songs from the first Virgin Steele albums, as well as a track from the 'Atreus I' sessions. That album is also fantastic! Check it out as well if you haven't.
Links:
News about David DeFeis' health conditions in 2005: blabbermouth.net/news/virgin-steele-pull-out-of-bang-your-head-and-nummirock-festivals/
Live performance in 2010: ruclips.net/video/oKaoH9d7W9c/видео.html
Frank Gilchriest interview in 2015: www.rockpages.gr/frank-gilchriest-quits-virgin-steeele/?lang=en
He used his lion scream way too much, it keeps increasing from album to album and got annoying really fast. I prefer his vocals from noble savage to the marriage albums. Less annoying screams then.
I LOVE early Virgin Steele. From the late 70's to the 90's, they were great and underrated. Sadly, David IS the reason they went to shit. Though they were never huge (sadly) to the point where there albums are out of print. Yet David has a huge ego, no question and he can't realize that it's time to retire. It's a sad story because they are awesome and Ed Pursino is a killer guitar player.
Deep Purple...my ALL TIME favorite band by a mile...jumped the shark after Blackmore left the last time. Blackmore was Deep Purple to me...ok...maybe Perpendicular wasn't bad....
Oh my lord,have you heard that new DP album of covers? Wtf were they thinking, everyone hates it
@@robertparks7233 Not everyone, see the SoT episode that reviews it. Quite a few people liked it (I wasn't one of them either)...
G'n'R after UYI 1 for sure. UYI 2 had its moments, but the cracks were beginning to show. I would also say Boston after the 2cd album. Too long between albums & a revolving door of members. Also Styx Kilroy Was Here.
Oh man, how could I forget Billy Joel?! I had mad love and respect for the New York, working-class Billy Joel. But when he did Uptown Girl, that respect went out the window. And that awful video w/Christie Brinkley trying to dance made it absolutely intolerable. However, he earned my respect when he decided to stop recording after River of Dreams because he had nothing left to say. Someone should tell Elton John to do the same before he records another version of Candle In The Wind. Oh god, no, Elton, please don't. Not again!
I like that too, Billy knew when it was enough. Neat idea
300 versions of Candle in the wind
This was a great show and Sydney did a great job!
Loads I agreed with here - Metallica, Anthrax, Trower, Ozzy. But it's so interesting, how much when you got into a band colours your thoughts going forward. Hence, I love Def Leppard pre and post Hysteria - although the better stuff is on the first three albums - and the same with Aerosmith during Vacation and Pump - but then afterwards, that was too far! The early stuff is outrageously good as well obviously.
Biggest one for me is no surprise and it's Maiden. An absolute force of nature up to Fear Of The Dark, which has highs and lows. No Prayer sucks big time, then I can live with the Blaze years. Brave New World?? That's AWESOME! But nearly everything afterwards has been substandard garbage to me.
You ain't kidding Reid. Steve Harris has practically become bad George Lucas.
Trower is still going strong, in fact I'll predict that his new album next month will be good
That Joey DeMaio story was brutal lol
1. U2: After Rattle & Hum the boat sank.
2. Genesis: They were on their last gasp with And Then They Were Three. Then they took their last breath.
3. Neil Young: Not a complete washout. But for the last 20 years or so he has went in and out, making albums that made me wish he'd never make another one and then we would bring back Crazy Horse and renew hope.
@The Terrence Reardon Podcast Afraid I can't follow you on this one. After Final Cut I was glad he left. And outside of Pros & Cons I do not like any of his solo albums at all. Personal choice, what can I say.
I have to disagree w/U2. I'm a huge fan and Achtung Baby, which came after Rattle and Hum, is one of their best albums besides The Joshua Tree. I think things started getting shaky w/Pop. I like Pop but it was a not so interesting retread of Zooropa. For me, All You Can't Leave Behind is when I started losing interest. Then, they came back w/How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb, which was pretty good. Then, they did No Line On The Horizon, which stunk, and I haven't bought a U2 album since.
@@kimberlywalker3970 I'm good with that. I just never liked the directions they took after Rattle.
Achtung Baby is a perfect album. Pop is okay but after that, it’s been rough. But name a band who can come up with good riffs after 40 years
@@Grandizer8989 Everybody likes what they like and that's cool. But personally I can't listen to it. I gave it a try back when it first came out and I couldn't take it to my used record store any quicker. I gave it another go some years later. Same result.
My god Chris talking about WASP Just made my day fucking hysterical
Oh hell yes
Classic Rock radio jumped the Shark
AOR jumped the shark when it began to be called classic rock in the late 80s.
Steve Miller, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Stones, that's classic rock. GNR, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi, not classic rock!
@@mick5137 Some use "AOR" to represent Adult-Oriented Rock (as in "soft rock" - maybe also "Yacht Rock"?). AOR as in Album-Oriented Rock grew out of 1970's prog (and "hard") rock, then I think morphed into "classic rock" sometime in the early 80's...From what I've read the (2nd type of) AOR was to break out of the standard radio station programming of playing hit singles & instead giving DJ's the freedom to play deeper tracks that weren't hits. At least at first. I can still remember one of our local FM stations playing whole sides of albums later in the evening & overnight on a regular basis, that was in the mid/late 70's...
As the 70's went on the power to select what was played shifted to station program director types & largely away from DJ's, and they would focus largely on ratings & popularity. So in a way this whole thing came full circle back to playing the popular songs (where radio had started by only playing hit singles). I think classic rock tends to focus generally on popular tracks from classic artists (60's-90's).
Depending on the classic rock station I think it can be tough to distinguish their classic rock from radio's initial approach of mainly playing hit singles, the main difference being that classic stations won't play new hit songs from the past 20 years or so. I don't listen to (music) radio any longer & it's been a while...
@@kimberlywalker3970 I sometimes hear Green Day on classic rock radio.
@@petervanbuskirk500 Can you believe they're in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I nearly puked when I found out. My favorite band constantly gets overlooked when Def Leppard, Bon Jovi and GNR to name a few are in. U2, The Police and Led Zeppelin are in. No shock there, I love those bands. Even PJ is there. Green Day is not classic rock. It's barely tolerable music. Wow, that's gross!
Here are my 3
Saxon - Crusader (Totally different sound for the American market)
Raven - Stay Hard (Signed to Atlantic Records and tried to go commercial)
Dep Leppard - Pyromania (We all know this story)
The Joshua Tree celebrates its 35th birthday this year! What about a special show about that classic?