English and Turkish Subtitle available now. Open subtitles on settings. Here's a book version of what happened to Saruman: In Book Saruman didn't die here! after the ring was destroyed, Saruman left from Orthanc with Grima. Frodo, Gandalf and others meet Saruman and Grima on their way to Rivendell and Gandalf gave him a final chance to restore his honor but he declined it and continued going their own way. While Frodo and gang rested in Rivendell, Saruman arrived in Shire and with with the help of thieves and crooks (most of them his former troops from Isengard) began to destroying and turning Shire to a wasteland (Sams vision from the first movie) But Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin gathered hobbits together and defeated Saruman's forces in "Battle of Bywater" After his defeat, Frodo ordered Saruman let to be go but Saruman went and stabbed Frodo but couldnt kill him because Mithril shirt, Other hobbits were going to kill him but Frodo stopped them and told Saruman to leave, Saruman ordered Grima to follow him but Frodo offered him that he can stay and gain strength and then leave to other way and not listen Saruman anymore, for this Saruman laughed and told them that it was Grima who killed Lotho Sackville-Baggins, Grima mumbled that it was under orders and he finally snapped and cut his throat open, after doing that Grima tried to run but hobbits killed him by shooting him with arrows. And here is my comment why this scenes was deleted from the movie and it has been made with extra/extended scenes, because in 2003, probably it was too late to leave from cinema for the viewers, i mean, movie is already 3.5h, and if they were added this scenes too, it would be like 4-4.5h . and that meaning is they can show the movie less in 1 day. For example if its 3.5h they can stream at the cinema like 4-5 times and if it was be 4.5h, they could show like 2-3 times in 1 day. Im trying to tell thats because of commercial reasons. And also Netflix and other any platforms which is making open stream for everyone reachable, they would never have this kind of special scenes because they won't pay extra money for that. Also that mystery keeps alive the minds of the viewers, everytime they are wondering what happened, what i missed, what i have not seen yet. So people is watching more and more about the trilogy and starting to research about it. So if anyone is wondering about it, they will stop dreaming and they will try to find blu-ray version and buy it manually or buying the books of LOTR by J.R.R Tolkien, and read it. So they can sell books too. And another thing is for can make physical sells without the streams at the cinema, so you have to buy it with money for can see this scenes. Thats a very good trick to sell and earn more money. Like DVD etc. Its calling "Blu-Ray" . Thats just my opinion. It doesn't has to be true. Just wanted to share with you. I hope you enjoyed the video and also the comment at the upside, what happened in the real (book). Have Fun. Kind regards. also you can reach all deleted scenes playlist here ruclips.net/p/PLZeU4WLB81HSt3LCu_zwPV74-B92fr4ok , have fun 💛
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Honestly, it was a good call not to include all that; it would have taken away that peaceful ambiance and ending we received. And frankly, as I told my dad who has repeatedly read and watched LoTR, I don’t think the ending would have flowed very smoothly if they included “Sharky.” Although, now that I think about it, I’m a little surprised no one has made a fan film of that part of the book to make up for it.
Your comment reminded me of that scene from Shazam when the hero and villain are both flying above the city. The villain is monologuing and the hero can't hear him because of all the traffic noise and wind.
He also without hesitation raised a bow at a character that threatened Aragorn despite being surrounded by enemy troops. Legolas looks out for the homies.
The most important scene in the movie, cutting it was pure madness. Every character is affected here and you see throughout the entire movie how hard Sarumans words hit them. Scenes like Gandalf "I've sent him to his death...." Ring a bit hollow without the context that it's Sarumans words eating away at him.
Unfortunately, it was considered far too grim for an opening scene. The tonal shift of the movie starting dour and ending bittersweet would probably kill movie critics.
This scene is totally different in the book. This is after Sauron is defeated and the hobbits return to the Shire, Sarumon is revealed to be the chiefton of the entire shire who is compelling the Tooks which are basically bandits to loot the entire place. When Wormtongue snaps and slits Saurumon's throat it's hobbits who shoot him full of arrows, likely as a defense that he might hurt others.
@@linkinparkrulz2275 what, not the Tooks... they were "ruffians" which are about 100-150 half-orc men from Isengard. Saruman had already been affecting the Shire remotely even before the 4 hobbits left, but after they left Lotho Sackville-Baggins became the "Chief" and started changing things. Lotho made things miserable but it got worse; halfway on their return trip the hobbits encountered Saruman and Wormtongue in the wilderness. From there, the hobbits went to Rivendell but Saruman and Wormtongue went to the Shire, where they killed Lotho and took over. They then made things much worse than they already had been, in the short amount of time they had before Frodo and friends returned. They ordered the trees to be felled, started fires, ransacked the homes, etc. Saruman said it would have been much worse if he had had more time or more half-orcs.
@@linkinparkrulz2275 But since the entire Shire-ending wasn't part of the trilogy, it really has one of the main-villains just disappearing, without even making an appearance in the third movie. Usually stuff like that only happens if the actor died or left the project
Where the hell is the door/stairs to the roof lol,on another note we can agree that’s a tall tower yeah? Legolass arrow did well to get that high and hit the mark perfectly
And that is why Theoden was a great and righteous King. Even after all that Grima did by betraying his kinsman in Rohan, Theoden still was trying to forgive him and put him on the path of redemption which he was able to do when he reminded Grima of who he was and what the original oath he took from the time that he was a child and that is to be a son of Rohan, warrior of Rohan to to kill all enemies of Rohan if they be foreign or domestic.
I never understood why they cut this out of the theatrical version. It’s a bit unsatisfying leaving the theatre not knowing what happened to Saruman. Other than that, ROTK is pure perfect.
Well in the book this also does not happen. Not that following the book is always best for a movie ofcourse. As I understood (haven't read the books) he tries to take revenge on the Shire after the ring is destroyed. [spoiler alert] He does get killed though.
@@Vman_95 The character of saruman leaves for the shire, takes it over for a short time and the rest I'll leave for interested readers. I can't quite remember if it was an epilogue or one of the appendices, but it's in Return of the King book.
Gandalf: Saruman, your staff is broken Sauron: Elendil, your sword is broken. Uruk-hai: Theoden, your wall is broken. Aragorn: Eowyn, your heart is broken.
Fun fact: Peter Jackson wanted saruman to scream. But Christopher Lee spent years shanking nazis, he knew what a man does when stabbed in the back. So instead he reacts like he does here, how someone actually reacts when stabbed in the back.
@Arcana Imperii How the fuck exactly would YOU know? Were you in the SAS during WW2 to dispute what he has actually said? That's Special Forces. I'm pretty sure anything the man had ever said he had seen or done, that was true and then some.
Arcana Imperii not only was he assigned to do exactly that during the war but he had also been stabbed in the back himself and knew exactly what it felt like. So kindly come back after you’ve done your research.
@Arcana Imperii Dipshit, go look on wikipedia. Or any number of articles that talk about his service. Don't take my word for it. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF, you fucking dumbass. Wow, it's amazing how some people will dig in and double down on being dumbfucks.
"Grima, come down. Be free of him." This is for me the most sad moment of the trilogy. Others made their mistakes but made up for them. Theodin had forgiven Grima but he couldn't help him.
I find it quite interesting that Grima was undoubtedly mistreated time and time again and yet he never rebelled. But the moment Theoden decided to forgive him, and Saruman diminished Rohan and Theoden, then did Grima decide to strike. As far as I'm concerned, Grima's attack was not a kicked dog biting back at its master, it was his last glimmer of pride and strength as a man of Rohan facing an opponent. Sure, that last glimmer came in the form of a "treacherous" backstabbing as opposed to a more open confrontation, but Grima was always the underhanded kind of fellow
@@ZERO-hy3gtright but thats before his staff was broken. Its pretty telling on screen through metaphor and saruman’s face that when his staff was shattered by the will of the Valar, carried out by Gandalf who is now “the white” and replaced Saruman as leader of the Istari, he also lost his powers. Very rarely do the valar directly intervene (last time they sunk beleriand and tore Sauron limb from limb) and this is one of the few scenes we see them directly do so, and they were the ones who made/empowered the Istari- so when their new emissary confronted Saruman, they revoked his power, breaking his staff. The first time in the films we see the Valar interfere (thats indisputable) is them resurrecting gandalf at the peak of Zirakzigol, at the top of the grand stair after fighting the balrog for 2 days at the peak. Basically god said “screw you” and took their original arch angels wings. After all, lotr is very biblically inspired.
@@MrHydra12 Actually way more than the Valar. All the original wizards were sent by the Valar. But Gandalf was returned by Ilúvatar, as in God with the capital G. Its pretty cool.
@@MrHydra12 Glad you said it. I always agree heavily with Gandalf the White executing the will of the Valar(and really that of Eru Iluvatar). He doesn't fight, debate, or contest this moment. He states "Saruman your staff is broken" and thus it breaks, it is a will greater than that of the wizards, mortal, or immortal men. It is that of a power that sees above all and results in such a triumph. A scene done that gives it absolute justice.
So fucking badass that he kills nazis in the greatest war of recent History and then is immortalized in one of the greatest movie franchises of all of History.
“What do you want, Gandulf the grey? Let me guess, the key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-dur itself? Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?” Just tea, thank you
@@spectralis6632 Gandalf is all 'look buddy you got on my ass for smokin the good shit, but then I find out you had barrels of this stuff?' Saruman begins shifting his eyes nervously. 'Those are purely medicinal'
3:30 I love this part. You can tell Saruman's insults to Theoden cut right to the core. For the rest of this film, he reckons with these words and his ride to Gondor is based on proving Saruman wrong. It really re-establishes his character for this film. Shame it was cut out but thankfully we have the EE.
It's really great writing by Tolkien (altered a bit for the film). It's of course a lie, but like the best lies it has a lot of truth woven in amongst it. The House of Eorl (Rohan) is literally housed in a giant thatched barn-like palace, there is a strong drinking culture amongst the Rohirrim (although it's a bit rich of Saruman to call them brigands, since he employed plenty of actual brigands) and their children probably did roll around playing with dogs in the corners. And I believe I recall Theoden himself in the book referring to himself as a lesser son of greater sires, even though that didn't turn out to be true in the end...so Saruman knew exactly which buttons to press. The biggest aspect of the lie of course is that the House of Eorl is not "but" (just) those things, but much, much more.
the crack of his spine when he thuds has gotta be the most fucked up part, just cause of how realistic that is, his corpse would definitely break most of its bones after that fall
*”We shall have peace...we shall have peace when you answer for the burning of the West Fold, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they lay dead against the gates of the Hornburg are avenged! When you hang from a gibbet for the sport of your own crows- we shall have peace...”* I’ve got chills.
Personally I feel that Gandalf knew that the reason that Saurman turned dark was because of his fear of losing the battle of middle earth and lack of faith in humanity; which made him more power hungry as time went on. This is because power made him feel in control over the situations that made him feel powerless. It’s too bad we never saw scenes of how Saurman was when he did have faith in humanity, because he had already passively given up on middle earth by the time the Hobbit started. (I’m making judgements of what I watch in the movies, not a reflection of what’s depicted in the books)
He probably does... Saruman is a fallen Wizard. One of the good guys turned evil. He is suffering the fate that Gandalf himself fears the most, and knows could happen to him too.
Yea, before I got the extended version, I didn't know what happened to Saurman. Last we saw was him just bewildered on the tower. Not to mention wtf happened to Grima.
I hear Christopher Lee was particularly ticked off, since it meant his character had no resolution. @@mroildrinker1845 Deleted from the theatrical version. I'm assuming you have the extended edition of the film.
@@pinkfreud62 I mean, Saruman being stuck on his own tower, forever guarded by the Ents that he almost wiped out being a prisoner just like Gandalf was on that same tower, is a kind of poetic justice.
@@frankherthem1794 Yea, I know, but I only saw the films back then & since, I do have the books. Alot of movie goers probably didn't know much about LOTR until they saw the tril like me.
“The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-dur itself? And the seven crowns of the kings and the five staffs of the wizards?” Gandalf: Actually if you could give me those that would be great thanks Saruman: What
+Angie Liang Saruman: The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-Dur itself? And the Seven crowns of the kings and the five staffs of the wizards? Gandalf: Just tea thank u
So let me guess straight, Saruman firsts tries to “make peace” with Théoden. Then he roasts Aragorn and tries to roast Gandalf (both figuratively and literally), roasts Grima for a bit, roasts Théoden, then tries to convince Gandalf to let him go, and then gets stabbed and dies. What a way to go!
I wonder how it would have gone down if Hitler had made a radio broadcast before his death, calling Churchill fat, FDR boring and saying Stalins moustache looks like a catapiller...
Not sure it makes sense. Why would they trust Saurman to be truthful? Chances are he'd just give them more false information to make things worse for them. The character clearly can't be trusted.
One of my favorite parts of this scene, which I find is extremely overlooked, is when Theoden talks to Grima. It's a great reflection upon his character from when we first see him come out of his "Saruman Shell" and back into his former self. He literally goes form being a man full of rage and anger at Grima to a leader who anyone in Middle Earth would want to follow. It's a great study of character. He's willing to forgive and welcome Grima back into Rohan as a former man of Rohan. It's a very great part of the scene and I enjoy how they added it into the movie.
I always found that scene annoying and out of logic, hypocritical. He doesnt want to forgive Saruman (rightfully), but forgives the traitor that was almost equally responsible for death of all those children and warriors. What would people of your land think of you and their own future if you welcomed back that kind of person? Now, maybe there is more about his character in the books, but purely in the film, I didnt like this logic...
His righteous fury when he yells “We shall have peace when the lives of the soldiers, whose bodies were hewn even as they lay dead against the gates of the Hornberg are AVENGED.” Also stuck in my head. What a King.
Saruman was described by Tolkien as the most powerful of the 5 wizards and his peculiarity was his voice and speech. His voice was so powerful and his words were so well put that he sounded wise even if he was saying nonsense: indeed he was very good at diplomacy because of his charming voice. You can clearly hear it, his deep smooth voice, when he tries to persuade Theoden to form an armistice. But king Theoden refuses, in fact he wants his head, and Saruman, who considers Theoden no more than a fool on a horse, a "lesser son of greater sires", swiftly scorns him and his voice loses all its suavity, no more veils and charm but the voice of an old man.
What a powerful scene - never understood why they had to cut the one from the theatrical version. As a result, the cinema films have a logical hole. Since the Shire doesn't need to be liberated anymore in the movies, you'd think the old villain is still stuck in his tower. I think that Saruman ends up impaled in front of his tower in the extended version was also intended as a nod to Lee's great past as Dracula.
Bruh... 20 years later, I'm just now seeing this? That movie so damn good I was satisfied without the knowledge of all these extra scenes. Now it just became even better. Gives me more content to talk about
The moment when Dracula hurls a fireball at Magneto, is killed by Chucky and then Chucky is killed by Will Turner Edit: jeez thanks for the likes guys 😊
When Saruman was stabbed, he reacted very realistically (people don't scream when they're stabbed in the back or the chest, but lose their breath). But when Gríma gets shot, he reacted like every movie character does when they're impaled; screaming.
@@minecraftmaniac84 Because he was doing it intentionally, Peter Jackson originally wanted him to scream but CL told him what actually happens when you stab someone in the back because he's stabbed people in the back during the war so he knows first hand.
Because Christopher lee has seen war and he knows what happens when someone is killed a certain way. Grimas character does not. That's what happens when you use real life experiences in acting. Which is what makes true acting.
Saruman's powers of persuasion were said to be such that of all the people still alive in Middle Earth at this moment, only Gandalf, Galadriel and perhaps Elrond could hear his words without feeling at least a little swayed. Even Aragorn was unsure he could match Saruman in a battle of words.
Christopher Lee and Bernard Hill always give me chills. Everyone is a marvelous actor, of course, but no matter how many times I rewatch these films, I find the performance of those two to stun me.
2:22 Interesting that Gimli is the character we see react to these words. When Saruman says this, I think of Thorin Oakenshield, whom Gandalf encouraged to take back Erebor, and who died trying. Maybe Gimli has a sudden thought for him.
Got mad respect for Theoden he's a great leader and you can tell from his speech how much he values and cares for his people, not just civilians but also his soldiers and you can tell his men respect him too
The crazy part about this is that Christopher lee served in wartime . Peter jackson wanted him to cry out when he was stabbed in the back . Lee replied “do you know what it sounds like when someone is stabbed in the back ? Because I do .” So crazy
@@upland77 or you could say Peter Jackson stabbed Christopher Lee in the back by deleting this scene from both the first and second movies despite promising that it'd be in one of them to conclude Saruman's story.
I can't be the only one who felt really bad for Grima in this moment. It was clear in Two Towers that he regretted what he had done, as evidenced by his reaction after seeing the orc army. Theoden did seem like he wanted to help him, to bring him back to Rohan. And Grima looked like he still respected Theoden, like he actually wanted to leave back to Rohan and redeem himself. I was honestly very upset that he died so suddenly
its dope how sarumans voice is kinda like amplified like youre right next to him while everyone else sounds more distant, its def because one of sarumans greatest magical gifts was the power of his voice and speech
Saruman was my favourite character, even when I was a child, there was something that was more dark and real about his character that isn't in the other characters in my eyes also, it's Christopher Lee...
True, his motives are something more realistic of a person with that much power. Even in the books I think he wanted the ring for himself. He would have probably become the ultimate power of the world if he had it.
Man not only does this scene give a perfect conclusion to one of the main villains of the previous movies, he also sets up a lot of the archs in this movie to come, such as Gandalf, Aragorn, and Theoden
Which really makes one wonder why it was cut from the theatrical version. It's been over a decade since I saw the theatrical verion, I only watch the extended now, but it's still a shame that this scene isn't part of my memories of my first viewing of LotR.
@@avrace2708 Game of Thrones sometimes did, but only in earlier seasons when the source material was available! In any case, Game of Thrones is meant to be less epic and more realistic. It was written as a reaction to Lord of the Rings. But there were still literary expressions: Circei said things like "By what right dare you lay hands on my blood?" and "You condemn yourself with your own mouth!"
And he is shocked and saddened by his death. And why wouldn't he, Grima basically stabbed Saruman for righteous vengeange, and because he insulted Theoden. He was turning a new leaf, he didn't deserve to die. I didn't remember this scene being this sad
@@nathans1899 The Lord of the Rings Extended Cut was the most popular amazon order from a couple of years ago when it was on sale. In the end though, its the fans who truly care to see it anyway.
I’ve only seen the extended version until last night. When this scene didn’t show up I was pretty confused. I might be bias because I’ve seen the extended more but I watched the theatrical ROTK after TT and it just seems strange that Saruman being a big antagonist is just breezes over like “he has no power anymore. Okay let’s move on”
Yeah, it’s kind of weird. The last we see of Saruman is him looking down at Isengard from his tower and then when Théoden and Fellowship arrive, we’re told Saruman has no power and his "ball" is just somewhere in the ruins with no explanation and it just doesn’t feel right that we don’t know the fate of him as he is one of the big villains. Still doesn’t ruin the movie in any way, which is practically perfect in every way.
Even after everything Grima did to him, Theoden still wanted to help him and recognized that he was manipulated too. What was also awesome is even after Saurman tried to insult Rohan, Theoden ignored him with Kingly grace and kept the focus on helping his countryman.
This scene is so cool because gandalf being a wizard, makes him a vessel of direct authority bestowed by eru, and him telling saruman "Your staff is broken" is the will of eru channeled through gandalf
Possibly one of the most iconic evil wizards (aside from Voldemort, Morgoth, and Sauron himself) in all of film and literature. Though Sauron and Morgoth are technically more powerful sorcerers in Tolkien's Legendarium Saruman (with his black staff and glowing Palantir) summated the popular image of the Evil Sorcerer in early High Fantasy.
I always appreciate the fact that, despite Grima being a douche, Theoden knows he is a better man that Saruman and tells him to come down and be free of him.
I love how most of the things Saruman offers to Gandalf are pretty much useless to the quest. -Key of Orthanc - can unlock the door of the tower he's speaking from -Key of Barad-Dur - Sauron's house? In the middle of Mordor, behind the Nazgul and tens of thousands of orcs and trolls and other monsters? What good is a key when you have to fight through all of them anyway? -Crowns of the Seven Kings - nice collection... don't think they'd really do much against Mordor -Rods of the Five Wizards - Gandalf and Saruman are two of the five Wizards, each of them already have their own staves. I don't know how extra rods will benefit Gandalf.
Better dialogue in the book. "We will have peace," said Théoden at last thickly and with an effort. Several of the Riders cried out gladly. Théoden held up his hand. "Yes, we will have peace," he said now in a clear voice, "we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished--and the works of your dark master to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar, Saruman, and a corrupter a men's hearts. You hold out your hand it to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just--as it was not, for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired--even so, what will you say of your torches in Westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Háma's body before the gates of the Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanic. So much for the house of Eorl. A lesser son of great sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewhither. But I fear your voice has lost its charm.”
@@dennisbraun5747 with the hobbit trilogy, save for a few scenes, I agree. But concerning the lotr trilogy I must whole heartily disagree. The books are the holy texts, that is beyond question, but to call the movies crap because they are not the holy texts is an insult to a true masterpiece.
It is so heartwarming when King Theoden tries to get Grima to come down and free himself from Saruman's influence. Theoden probably understands now better than anyone how powerful Saruman's magic was and how much he can warp someone's mind. Grima did horrible things and maybe he didn't deserve any redemption, but it did look like he felt genuinely guilty when Theoden spoke to him. I'm not a big fan of the way they had Legolas kill him, but it is what it is.
This is one of my all time favorite scenes from any movie, Christopher Lee has such a haunting voice naturally, but when he gives a speech, I genuinely feel like I'm in trouble lol
Such a shame this was cut. Saruman is arguably the most prevalent enemy in the first two films so to give him no screen at all was odd. Not to mention this is probably Saruman’s best scene in the whole trilogy
Damn Christopher Lee´s acting was soooo brilliant (not that I know anything about acting).. How he belittles our heroes, how almost disgusted he is, I almost want to be evil
An interesting detail I learned recently. Saruman never touched the seeing stone before, his hand hovered over it to communicate with Sauron. He looked almost graceful and in control of his own mind, unlike the others who have touched it and suffer mental, physical, etc. types of pain just from touching it. Here you see Saruman is disheveled, worn out, a spark in his eye like he's on something. And then he pulls out the stone, bare handed. The madness that overtook Denethor I think is taking over Saruman here. Idk if it's 100% or if I'm reading too much into it but I thought it was a neat little detail.
It's always astonishing that some of the kindest and purest of people can play the evil character so well. Maybe it's simply they know what true evil sounds and looks like and so fight back with the same level of care and empathy.
Not sure if it’s cannon to the books but I love how powerful Saruman’s voice is. He can have a simple conversation from hundreds of feet away with someone, yet it’s so loud and vocal; even in the fellowship of the ring his voice could be heard hundreds of miles away from the mountain pass commanding a mountain to crumble. Saruman is bad ass!
His voice is very powerful and alluring. In this scene, in the book, Even those who are against him are put at ease when he speaks to them in a "sweet" tone. He's able to capture attention, pty and favour for himself simply by his voice. But at some point, he snaps at that group and suddenly they realise he's an evil, evil force. The only unaffected ones are Gandalf, Legolas and Aragorn - even Theoden and his army are enraptured by his speech.
This scene should’ve ended with Saruman’s staff breaking and falling to the floor crawling back into the tower like in the book. Saruman in the book dies in the shire towards the end of ROTK.
It wouldn't have worked. The books are incredible but it's already a meme how many endings there are after the battle at the black gate. Imagine also the scouring of the shire being in there. It would have looked very insingificant compared to the battles of gondor. For a general audience it would probavly even be boring.
@Adam Apocalypse they should have made 4 movies instead of 3. Fellowship, Two Towers, the War of the Ring, the Return of the King. That way they could have included Prince Imrahil and Dol Amroth and the corsairs of Umbar in the 3rd and the scouring of the Shire in the 4th.
3:24, although Brad Dourif didn't have any lines at that part, he said a lot with just his expressions. "You're going to forgive me?! Yes my lord, I will come down."
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Here's a book version of what happened to Saruman:
In Book Saruman didn't die here! after the ring was destroyed, Saruman left from Orthanc with Grima. Frodo, Gandalf and others meet Saruman and Grima on their way to Rivendell and Gandalf gave him a final chance to restore his honor but he declined it and continued going their own way. While Frodo and gang rested in Rivendell, Saruman arrived in Shire and with with the help of thieves and crooks (most of them his former troops from Isengard) began to destroying and turning Shire to a wasteland (Sams vision from the first movie) But Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin gathered hobbits together and defeated Saruman's forces in "Battle of Bywater" After his defeat, Frodo ordered Saruman let to be go but Saruman went and stabbed Frodo but couldnt kill him because Mithril shirt, Other hobbits were going to kill him but Frodo stopped them and told Saruman to leave, Saruman ordered Grima to follow him but Frodo offered him that he can stay and gain strength and then leave to other way and not listen Saruman anymore, for this Saruman laughed and told them that it was Grima who killed Lotho Sackville-Baggins, Grima mumbled that it was under orders and he finally snapped and cut his throat open, after doing that Grima tried to run but hobbits killed him by shooting him with arrows.
And here is my comment why this scenes was deleted from the movie and it has been made with extra/extended scenes, because in 2003, probably it was too late to leave from cinema for the viewers, i mean, movie is already 3.5h, and if they were added this scenes too, it would be like 4-4.5h . and that meaning is they can show the movie less in 1 day. For example if its 3.5h they can stream at the cinema like 4-5 times and if it was be 4.5h, they could show like 2-3 times in 1 day. Im trying to tell thats because of commercial reasons. And also Netflix and other any platforms which is making open stream for everyone reachable, they would never have this kind of special scenes because they won't pay extra money for that. Also that mystery keeps alive the minds of the viewers, everytime they are wondering what happened, what i missed, what i have not seen yet. So people is watching more and more about the trilogy and starting to research about it. So if anyone is wondering about it, they will stop dreaming and they will try to find blu-ray version and buy it manually or buying the books of LOTR by J.R.R Tolkien, and read it. So they can sell books too. And another thing is for can make physical sells without the streams at the cinema, so you have to buy it with money for can see this scenes. Thats a very good trick to sell and earn more money. Like DVD etc. Its calling "Blu-Ray" . Thats just my opinion. It doesn't has to be true. Just wanted to share with you. I hope you enjoyed the video and also the comment at the upside, what happened in the real (book). Have Fun. Kind regards.
also you can reach all deleted scenes playlist here ruclips.net/p/PLZeU4WLB81HSt3LCu_zwPV74-B92fr4ok , have fun 💛
RomanceTR thank u!!
Hi RomanceTR, i just want to try and ask you if i can use this footage for my own video with 5 facts related to films/series. I will of course leave credit in my description. Have a nice day ( :
Honestly, it was a good call not to include all that; it would have taken away that peaceful ambiance and ending we received. And frankly, as I told my dad who has repeatedly read and watched LoTR, I don’t think the ending would have flowed very smoothly if they included “Sharky.” Although, now that I think about it, I’m a little surprised no one has made a fan film of that part of the book to make up for it.
The English subtitles are filled with errors. "You are a lesser son of greater science", really bro?
@@Cobbido I couldnt understand that part, if you can help me for fix that, i’ll be so glad, thank you :)
Saruman: *is doing his speech*
Everyone at the bottom of the very tall tower: What did he say???
#movielogic
Your comment reminded me of that scene from Shazam when the hero and villain are both flying above the city. The villain is monologuing and the hero can't hear him because of all the traffic noise and wind.
A great powerful person such as Sarumon would surely have a spell or ability to boost his voice surely.
Made me think of Kung Fu Panda 2 XD
Hahahahahha
Twice the pride double the fall.
Gandalf: my powers have doubled since we met last time Count
@Having Good Ones Sadly I think you're right
That killed me
@@anakinskywalker9218 doesnt evn make sense..
@@anakinskywalker9218 you act like Gandalf is pridefal..
For those wondering why legolas shot Grima...
he needed to make up for the one point against gimli at helms deep.
Why no replies
haha such a legolas thing to do his friendship with gimli is perfect
@@TomBrennan183nothing more to be said
Moreso Grima just cost them any information they could've gotten out of Saruman
Really?
Sir Christopher Lee never fails to deliver. Such a good actor. May he rest in peace
So he had chosen death
And those 360 flips? Excellent execution.
He knew how it sounds like to stab a man in the back.
Perfect for this role
Eh, you know that just because his character died in the movie doesn't mean that he's dead in real life, right?
I think it’s so cute how Legolas without a moments hesitation reaches for his bow to outright murder Saruman just because Gimli said so 😂😂😂
Gandalf: nO!
Well they were great friends
They were the best of friends.
Except he ultimately murders Wormtongue
He also without hesitation raised a bow at a character that threatened Aragorn despite being surrounded by enemy troops. Legolas looks out for the homies.
The most important scene in the movie, cutting it was pure madness.
Every character is affected here and you see throughout the entire movie how hard Sarumans words hit them.
Scenes like Gandalf "I've sent him to his death...." Ring a bit hollow without the context that it's Sarumans words eating away at him.
Unfortunately, it was considered far too grim for an opening scene. The tonal shift of the movie starting dour and ending bittersweet would probably kill movie critics.
This scene is totally different in the book. This is after Sauron is defeated and the hobbits return to the Shire, Sarumon is revealed to be the chiefton of the entire shire who is compelling the Tooks which are basically bandits to loot the entire place. When Wormtongue snaps and slits Saurumon's throat it's hobbits who shoot him full of arrows, likely as a defense that he might hurt others.
@@linkinparkrulz2275 what, not the Tooks... they were "ruffians" which are about 100-150 half-orc men from Isengard. Saruman had already been affecting the Shire remotely even before the 4 hobbits left, but after they left Lotho Sackville-Baggins became the "Chief" and started changing things. Lotho made things miserable but it got worse; halfway on their return trip the hobbits encountered Saruman and Wormtongue in the wilderness. From there, the hobbits went to Rivendell but Saruman and Wormtongue went to the Shire, where they killed Lotho and took over. They then made things much worse than they already had been, in the short amount of time they had before Frodo and friends returned. They ordered the trees to be felled, started fires, ransacked the homes, etc. Saruman said it would have been much worse if he had had more time or more half-orcs.
@@linkinparkrulz2275 But since the entire Shire-ending wasn't part of the trilogy, it really has one of the main-villains just disappearing, without even making an appearance in the third movie. Usually stuff like that only happens if the actor died or left the project
@@auraguard0212 bro the beginning of the third movie starts with a gruesome murder
Theoden: Grima, come down...
Grima: How in the hell am I supposed to come down! I don't even know how I got up here!!!
Where the hell is the door/stairs to the roof lol,on another note we can agree that’s a tall tower yeah? Legolass arrow did well to get that high and hit the mark perfectly
@@Makeitso2023 He is an elf .. he would have plot armour in his defence 😅
And that is why Theoden was a great and righteous King. Even after all that Grima did by betraying his kinsman in Rohan, Theoden still was trying to forgive him and put him on the path of redemption which he was able to do when he reminded Grima of who he was and what the original oath he took from the time that he was a child and that is to be a son of Rohan, warrior of Rohan to to kill all enemies of Rohan if they be foreign or domestic.
Haha
hahahah...good one!
I never understood why they cut this out of the theatrical version. It’s a bit unsatisfying leaving the theatre not knowing what happened to Saruman. Other than that, ROTK is pure perfect.
I've finally watched this trilogy. To me saruman become prisoner in his own tower guarded by them living trees. This is better than death tbh.
Well in the book this also does not happen. Not that following the book is always best for a movie ofcourse. As I understood (haven't read the books) he tries to take revenge on the Shire after the ring is destroyed. [spoiler alert] He does get killed though.
The number of those who are in aware of this makes me wish I could afford to buy everyone in the world the books So they can read them lol.
@@kreigpinson4368 so what happened to saruman in books in short? Died? Kept prisoner or what?
@@Vman_95
The character of saruman leaves for the shire, takes it over for a short time and the rest I'll leave for interested readers. I can't quite remember if it was an epilogue or one of the appendices, but it's in Return of the King book.
"What is the house of Rohan but a thatched barn where brigands drink in the reek, and their brats roll on the floor with the dogs!" What a great line.
Strait roasted all of Rohan and it's history
Words have power and Saruman knows it. He also calls him "Théoden Horsemaster" instead of "Théoden King".
Saruman is like a testified killer who is speaking about how unimportant the victim was
That is of course an original line of the writers, not Peter Jackson.
Nobody talks shit better than Sarumon
Gandalf: Saruman, your staff is broken
Sauron: Elendil, your sword is broken.
Uruk-hai: Theoden, your wall is broken.
Aragorn: Eowyn, your heart is broken.
Underrated comment.
It was funny until the Aragorn part. :(
The Witch King:"Eowyn your arm is broken"
Merry: I think I've broken something.
@@reueljccrisanto1735 Merry:"Farmer Maggot,your carrot is broken"
Saruman: Gets stabbed in the back. Gandalf: 😬
that's gotta be pretty ironic
Natalie Soto lmaooooo
GREEMA YOU FOOL OF A WORMTONG
"Dayum!"
Why the cringe emoji
Gandalf: Your treachery has already cost many lives. Thousands more are now at risk.
Saruman: TENS OF THOUSANDS!!
But my lord, there is no such force!
@brenturner1160😮😮😮
Fun fact: Peter Jackson wanted saruman to scream. But Christopher Lee spent years shanking nazis, he knew what a man does when stabbed in the back. So instead he reacts like he does here, how someone actually reacts when stabbed in the back.
Bruh I just saw a video covering that exact topic before I came here
@Arcana Imperii How the fuck exactly would YOU know? Were you in the SAS during WW2 to dispute what he has actually said?
That's Special Forces. I'm pretty sure anything the man had ever said he had seen or done, that was true and then some.
Arcana Imperii not only was he assigned to do exactly that during the war but he had also been stabbed in the back himself and knew exactly what it felt like. So kindly come back after you’ve done your research.
Arcana Imperii
He IS a war hero. But I have to correct; it was HE who was stabbed. That’s how he knew.
@Arcana Imperii Dipshit, go look on wikipedia. Or any number of articles that talk about his service. Don't take my word for it. GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF, you fucking dumbass.
Wow, it's amazing how some people will dig in and double down on being dumbfucks.
"Grima, come down. Be free of him." This is for me the most sad moment of the trilogy. Others made their mistakes but made up for them. Theodin had forgiven Grima but he couldn't help him.
“You were once a man a Rohan!”
Even after everything he wants the best for Grima through love of country. Theoden was a true king.
@@adamboyle3331 I don't get why Legolas shot him, after he killed Saruman in an act that seemed to ally with Theoden's words? :(
@@oddfellowfloyd probably cos gandalf still needed saruman for information
@@justholorking so he was betrayed because he betrayed Saruman
@@1mol831 eh u could put it that way
I find it quite interesting that Grima was undoubtedly mistreated time and time again and yet he never rebelled.
But the moment Theoden decided to forgive him, and Saruman diminished Rohan and Theoden, then did Grima decide to strike. As far as I'm concerned, Grima's attack was not a kicked dog biting back at its master, it was his last glimmer of pride and strength as a man of Rohan facing an opponent.
Sure, that last glimmer came in the form of a "treacherous" backstabbing as opposed to a more open confrontation, but Grima was always the underhanded kind of fellow
Obviously he cant face a maia from front.
Even backstabbings maia is impressive i think
You have to keep in mind how powerful Saruman was. He could control people with his voice alone.
@@ZERO-hy3gtright but thats before his staff was broken.
Its pretty telling on screen through metaphor and saruman’s face that when his staff was shattered by the will of the Valar, carried out by Gandalf who is now “the white” and replaced Saruman as leader of the Istari, he also lost his powers. Very rarely do the valar directly intervene (last time they sunk beleriand and tore Sauron limb from limb) and this is one of the few scenes we see them directly do so, and they were the ones who made/empowered the Istari- so when their new emissary confronted Saruman, they revoked his power, breaking his staff. The first time in the films we see the Valar interfere (thats indisputable) is them resurrecting gandalf at the peak of Zirakzigol, at the top of the grand stair after fighting the balrog for 2 days at the peak.
Basically god said “screw you” and took their original arch angels wings. After all, lotr is very biblically inspired.
@@MrHydra12 Actually way more than the Valar. All the original wizards were sent by the Valar. But Gandalf was returned by Ilúvatar, as in God with the capital G. Its pretty cool.
@@MrHydra12 Glad you said it. I always agree heavily with Gandalf the White executing the will of the Valar(and really that of Eru Iluvatar). He doesn't fight, debate, or contest this moment. He states "Saruman your staff is broken" and thus it breaks, it is a will greater than that of the wizards, mortal, or immortal men. It is that of a power that sees above all and results in such a triumph. A scene done that gives it absolute justice.
"That is not the sound of a man being stabbed in the back." -Christopher Lee
*proceeds to elaborate in detail*
Preceded by “no no, Peter dear,” which honestly makes it more terrifying IMO 😆
@Ewan Callister I mean some people scream, not all dramatic of course but they do sometimes let out an AH! especially if stabbed by surprise
So fucking badass that he kills nazis in the greatest war of recent History and then is immortalized in one of the greatest movie franchises of all of History.
@@asturianix9820 He fought the good guys instead of the commies
“What do you want, Gandulf the grey? Let me guess, the key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-dur itself? Along with the crowns of the seven kings and the rods of the five wizards?”
Just tea, thank you
😂😂😂that was good
XD underrated
"those halfling leaves"
"A little red wine as requested. It's got a fruity boquet."
-One of the Dwarves, 'The Hobbit'
@@spectralis6632 Gandalf is all 'look buddy you got on my ass for smokin the good shit, but then I find out you had barrels of this stuff?'
Saruman begins shifting his eyes nervously.
'Those are purely medicinal'
2:38 Can we all just utterly appreciate how Legolas agreed promptly to shoot, at Gimli's behest, without even giving it second thought?
"Saruman..your staff is broken" so badass
he didn't even need to go into Latin or equivalent Middle Earth speak
Did you hear a boom? Listen carefuly
"What are you talking about? I can distinctly see that my staff is in perfect working ord...oh, there it is."
Sauron, your ring is destroyed!
If Gandalf hadn’t stepped forward,
All the main characters would have died from splash damage
Isenguard Dungeon : Mythic loot : Saruman's Staff 1073737 willpower. Seer stone 7383773 magic and Constitution
Indeed
bruh, i just realized this is true
splash damage lol
Gandalf warned everyone even in defeat Saruman is dangerous
1. R.I.P. Bernard Hill. 😞
2. If I were Grima, I simply would have kicked Saruman Spartan-style.
All our heroes are dying!
THIS! IS! ROHANNNN!!!!!
He wanted to inflict him more pain than that
I never trusted him. He was always a backstabber.
3:30 I love this part. You can tell Saruman's insults to Theoden cut right to the core. For the rest of this film, he reckons with these words and his ride to Gondor is based on proving Saruman wrong. It really re-establishes his character for this film. Shame it was cut out but thankfully we have the EE.
It's really great writing by Tolkien (altered a bit for the film). It's of course a lie, but like the best lies it has a lot of truth woven in amongst it. The House of Eorl (Rohan) is literally housed in a giant thatched barn-like palace, there is a strong drinking culture amongst the Rohirrim (although it's a bit rich of Saruman to call them brigands, since he employed plenty of actual brigands) and their children probably did roll around playing with dogs in the corners. And I believe I recall Theoden himself in the book referring to himself as a lesser son of greater sires, even though that didn't turn out to be true in the end...so Saruman knew exactly which buttons to press.
The biggest aspect of the lie of course is that the House of Eorl is not "but" (just) those things, but much, much more.
Ikr. Best insult of all time 😂😂
couldn't just type extended edition?
Aww hell naw he insulted his homeland
@@sweeperboy It’s sort of an uncomfortable lie that Saruman deceptively makes out to be the uncomfortable truth.
So brutal, the way he thuds on the spoke of that wheel might be the most gruesome death in the entire trilogy
Well, they say the deepest circle of Hell is reserved for traitors...I guess that's translated here with his demise.
That’s deep man
the crack of his spine when he thuds has gotta be the most fucked up part, just cause of how realistic that is, his corpse would definitely break most of its bones after that fall
I agree, though Boromir was pretty bad too
What about Gollum? He fell into a lava lake, although it is true he was anesthetized by having his precious in his hands ahahah
4:05 “FREE!??? He will never be free.”
I love his outraged, villainous delivery of that particular line 😂😈
Grima: No.
Get down. Cur!
@@angelofiron4366 I will not be held prisoner here. You withdraw your guard and I'll tell you where your doom will be decided.
*”We shall have peace...we shall have peace when you answer for the burning of the West Fold, and the children that lie dead there! We shall have peace when the lives of the soldiers whose bodies were hewn even as they lay dead against the gates of the Hornburg are avenged! When you hang from a gibbet for the sport of your own crows- we shall have peace...”*
I’ve got chills.
"Gibbets and crows! Dotard!"
@@AA-jp9cj What do you want Gandalf Grey?
Theoden has the best speeches
I didn't realize that it's exactly how he ended up, hanging from a gibbet after falling from the tower.
In other words when donkeys fly . And as we say in Czech when it rains and drys up
Many forget the fact that this Tower is shaped exactly like Sarunan's staff. Not only is this powerful, but an incredible metaphor.
But with no orb Like is on the end of the staff
Tower: penis
Staff: penis
Penis: >.>
@@plantainsame2049 The wizard is the orb
That why hes able to talk loudly even on top because his staff is his mic and the tower is a huge sub woofer speaker
The tower has nothing to do with saruman.... this is a poor conversion of the work
“Master Gandalf.. you have interfered with our affairs for the last time.”
Fought well you have, my old friend.
"I wouldnt wanna make a mess of things infront of the eye...."
I love how throughout this scene, including most prominently after Saruman's fireball failed to kill him, Gandalf looks like he just pities Saruman
Gandalf mercy, humbleness and kindness were his greatest strenght
"such a powerful wizard and yet he only has fireball level 1 learned, tsk tsk tsk"
Personally I feel that Gandalf knew that the reason that Saurman turned dark was because of his fear of losing the battle of middle earth and lack of faith in humanity; which made him more power hungry as time went on. This is because power made him feel in control over the situations that made him feel powerless. It’s too bad we never saw scenes of how Saurman was when he did have faith in humanity, because he had already passively given up on middle earth by the time the Hobbit started. (I’m making judgements of what I watch in the movies, not a reflection of what’s depicted in the books)
Sauruman(and Elrond) helped save Gandalf in the past, so Gandalf was like wtf mate, why u mad and killin every one
He probably does... Saruman is a fallen Wizard. One of the good guys turned evil. He is suffering the fate that Gandalf himself fears the most, and knows could happen to him too.
I bet everyone was pissed that they had to cut this scene. It explains so much it's criminal that it's missing.
Yea, before I got the extended version, I didn't know what happened to Saurman. Last we saw was him just bewildered on the tower. Not to mention wtf happened to Grima.
@@pinkfreud62 its written in the books
I hear Christopher Lee was particularly ticked off, since it meant his character had no resolution.
@@mroildrinker1845 Deleted from the theatrical version. I'm assuming you have the extended edition of the film.
@@pinkfreud62 I mean, Saruman being stuck on his own tower, forever guarded by the Ents that he almost wiped out being a prisoner just like Gandalf was on that same tower, is a kind of poetic justice.
@@frankherthem1794 Yea, I know, but I only saw the films back then & since, I do have the books. Alot of movie goers probably didn't know much about LOTR until they saw the tril like me.
0:15 & 0:47 I love Aragorns reaction to what Theodens speech. He completely understands his anger and realizes it could've been him saying that
As much as I love Christopher Lee, Saruman, the trilogy.. I just think he overacts so much in this scene. Cant help thinking its bad
@@nr1NPC ???
@@gaynzz6841 Just my opinion. I just felt he was overacting
0:52 Saruman tells us what his favourite MOBA is
Giantdad Lives hahahahahahah lmao
Lmaooooooooo
In all seriousness, what is he actually saying? 😂
Swalexbass nah, he’s actually saying ‘dotard’ which is an archaic term meaning ‘foolish old man’. Still, always makes me giggle.
Giantdad Lives wow I never would’ve found out what he was saying! Thanks for that
“The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-dur itself? And the seven crowns of the kings and the five staffs of the wizards?”
Gandalf: Actually if you could give me those that would be great thanks
Saruman: What
Angie Liang hahahah lol ^^
+Angie Liang
Saruman: The key of Orthanc? Or perhaps the keys of Barad-Dur itself? And the Seven crowns of the kings and the five staffs of the wizards?
Gandalf: Just tea thank u
Neat thing: that seven crowns thing is an oblique reference to the seven male Valar in the Undying Lands.
He said 'rods' not 'staff'.
Rods are better I guess.
No, its the crowns of the seven dwarf lords
This scene is amazing I'm so glad they restored it for the re-cut. Lee's acting dominates the scene even when saruman loses his power.
That moment when chucky kills count dooku
Chucky kills Dracula
Robert Cook , lol
It would make more sense if Gandalf created the shield to protect himself from Saruman's fire blast.
And Will Turner kills both Dooku and Chucky
HOLY CRAP.
So let me guess straight, Saruman firsts tries to “make peace” with Théoden. Then he roasts Aragorn and tries to roast Gandalf (both figuratively and literally), roasts Grima for a bit, roasts Théoden, then tries to convince Gandalf to let him go, and then gets stabbed and dies. What a way to go!
I wonder how it would have gone down if Hitler had made a radio broadcast before his death, calling Churchill fat, FDR boring and saying Stalins moustache looks like a catapiller...
@@ummdustry5718 that’s hilarious
@@ummdustry5718 he, like you, would be a goddamn legend. Literally if that happened I'd probably become a neo-nazi
@@ummdustry5718 like the French taunter from Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
@@ummdustry5718 hmmm, would hans Krebs proceeds to stab hitler in the back afterwards?
Never understood why they left this wonderful scene out of the main version
Not sure it makes sense. Why would they trust Saurman to be truthful? Chances are he'd just give them more false information to make things worse for them. The character clearly can't be trusted.
Because it wasnt like in the book
@@NitpickingNerd Yeah. It was worse in the book.
This makes way more sense and is more thematically consistent.
@@NitpickingNerdthe books were terrible
@@T-eu1tranother way of saying that you have 0 reading skills lol
"Gibbets and crows... dotard!"
I love when he said that. Masterful acting.
i looked up what dotard means... it basically means "retarded old demented man".
That is amazing line delivery
One of my favorite parts of this scene, which I find is extremely overlooked, is when Theoden talks to Grima. It's a great reflection upon his character from when we first see him come out of his "Saruman Shell" and back into his former self. He literally goes form being a man full of rage and anger at Grima to a leader who anyone in Middle Earth would want to follow. It's a great study of character. He's willing to forgive and welcome Grima back into Rohan as a former man of Rohan. It's a very great part of the scene and I enjoy how they added it into the movie.
You can also see the remorse in Theoden's face when he sees Grima get shot down as well. :(
I love Theoden, maybe my favourite character
Then when Grima comes down chuck his ass in prison.
I always found that scene annoying and out of logic, hypocritical. He doesnt want to forgive Saruman (rightfully), but forgives the traitor that was almost equally responsible for death of all those children and warriors. What would people of your land think of you and their own future if you welcomed back that kind of person? Now, maybe there is more about his character in the books, but purely in the film, I didnt like this logic...
@@vladimirblagojevic5937 Pure politics dude. Imagine the intel that Grima might have. I mean, Saruman most likely told him fuck all, but still.
RIP Bernard Hill. You were Brilliant. And this scene always stuck with me due to your incredible performance.
Be at Peace.
His righteous fury when he yells “We shall have peace when the lives of the soldiers, whose bodies were hewn even as they lay dead against the gates of the Hornberg are AVENGED.” Also stuck in my head. What a King.
that still only counts as one.
Counts as one because its Count dooku
@@anakinskywalker9218 yep
It’s a shame Legolas killed Grima. From theodan’s face it seemed like he was actually going to pardon him and accept him back.
I think legolas think he could save saruman at least without 1 or 2 stabs. Shame he died tho grima was good.
I find it moving how after everything Grima does, Theoden still offers forgivance to him.
@@donnaquixote7538 Very kingly of him.
Why did he even kill grima? I thought grima killing S was a sign that he had changed for the better
@@brittanyleighbarnett I think it was to try to save saruman, he could've been more useful alive
You can feel Theodens anger and complete outrage at Saruman offering "peace"
2:39 i love how legolas is like: sure bro where do you want it?
Saruman was described by Tolkien as the most powerful of the 5 wizards and his peculiarity was his voice and speech.
His voice was so powerful and his words were so well put that he sounded wise even if he was saying nonsense: indeed he was very good at diplomacy because of his charming voice. You can clearly hear it, his deep smooth voice, when he tries to persuade Theoden to form an armistice.
But king Theoden refuses, in fact he wants his head, and Saruman, who considers Theoden no more than a fool on a horse, a "lesser son of greater sires", swiftly scorns him and his voice loses all its suavity, no more veils and charm but the voice of an old man.
Beth Analpha 4:07 I’m very happy to see this extended scene of Saruman’s death. Except, they didn’t included it in theaters.
His voice is also a weapon. The way he rips Rohan and attacks Theoden verbally is crazy
Thanks for this! Awesome!
Beth Analpha 69 likes 🥴
Isnt Gandalf clearly more powerful then Saruman in this scene
What a powerful scene - never understood why they had to cut the one from the theatrical version. As a result, the cinema films have a logical hole. Since the Shire doesn't need to be liberated anymore in the movies, you'd think the old villain is still stuck in his tower. I think that Saruman ends up impaled in front of his tower in the extended version was also intended as a nod to Lee's great past as Dracula.
Can we take a moment to recognize how awesome Theodens monologue was
Ikr so underrated. Fantastic acting
And how that was original Tolkien from the beginning to the end.
Bruh why did they cut this out that was brutal for lord of the rings rip sarumaun
That's exactly why they cut it out, you said it yourself it was brutal for Lord Of the Rings.
They should've just cut the fall!
@@al3x4nderthegreat80 Im sure they had their reasons. Budgeting maybe
No reason other than people gladly paying extra for seeing the final stand-off with the then-greatest enemy that the fellowship faced.
@sam Well,much of this scene did happen, barring his death atop of Ortanc.Grima killed him in shire the similar way (cutting his throat).
Bruh... 20 years later, I'm just now seeing this? That movie so damn good I was satisfied without the knowledge of all these extra scenes. Now it just became even better. Gives me more content to talk about
The moment when Dracula hurls a fireball at Magneto, is killed by Chucky and then Chucky is killed by Will Turner
Edit: jeez thanks for the likes guys 😊
wait Cristopher Lee has played Dracula before?
@@盧璘壽로인수 yeah
@@盧璘壽로인수 that’s what made him famous originally.
I just realized that Chucky connection god I watched that movie so many times I can't unsee it now
@@nihalr_ not Bela Lugosi?
When Saruman was stabbed, he reacted very realistically (people don't scream when they're stabbed in the back or the chest, but lose their breath). But when Gríma gets shot, he reacted like every movie character does when they're impaled; screaming.
its almost like he was intentionally trying to do that
@@minecraftmaniac84 Because he was doing it intentionally, Peter Jackson originally wanted him to scream but CL told him what actually happens when you stab someone in the back because he's stabbed people in the back during the war so he knows first hand.
It’s almost as if you’ve seen the deleted scenes and watched Christopher Lee talk about that explicitly!
Because Christopher lee has seen war and he knows what happens when someone is killed a certain way. Grimas character does not. That's what happens when you use real life experiences in acting. Which is what makes true acting.
That's because Christopher Lee has actually killed people in real life by stabbing them in the back
Saruman's powers of persuasion were said to be such that of all the people still alive in Middle Earth at this moment, only Gandalf, Galadriel and perhaps Elrond could hear his words without feeling at least a little swayed. Even Aragorn was unsure he could match Saruman in a battle of words.
Christopher Lee and Bernard Hill always give me chills. Everyone is a marvelous actor, of course, but no matter how many times I rewatch these films, I find the performance of those two to stun me.
2:22 Interesting that Gimli is the character we see react to these words. When Saruman says this, I think of Thorin Oakenshield, whom Gandalf encouraged to take back Erebor, and who died trying. Maybe Gimli has a sudden thought for him.
Or Bilbo, as Gimli would be fully aware of how Bilbo helped his kin and Gandalf's hand in it
Theoden, Gandalf, Saruman have such powerful voices, i can listen all day! I love this conversation, wish it was longer!
Got mad respect for Theoden he's a great leader and you can tell from his speech how much he values and cares for his people, not just civilians but also his soldiers and you can tell his men respect him too
And pardoned Grima and was willing to accept him back
The crazy part about this is that Christopher lee served in wartime .
Peter jackson wanted him to cry out when he was stabbed in the back .
Lee replied “do you know what it sounds like when someone is stabbed in the back ? Because I do .”
So crazy
He not only served in war, but was the inspiration for James Bond.
@@mrdavman13 that's why it was funny that he ended up playing Scaramanga.
That's the reason I checked for this clip
And then Christopher Lee stabbed Peter Jackson in the back, to show him
@@upland77 or you could say Peter Jackson stabbed Christopher Lee in the back by deleting this scene from both the first and second movies despite promising that it'd be in one of them to conclude Saruman's story.
I can't be the only one who felt really bad for Grima in this moment. It was clear in Two Towers that he regretted what he had done, as evidenced by his reaction after seeing the orc army. Theoden did seem like he wanted to help him, to bring him back to Rohan. And Grima looked like he still respected Theoden, like he actually wanted to leave back to Rohan and redeem himself. I was honestly very upset that he died so suddenly
Same, tbh I don’t exactly understand why Legolas killed him?
Read the book and find out what really happened to Wormtongue and Saruman.
its dope how sarumans voice is kinda like amplified like youre right next to him while everyone else sounds more distant, its def because one of sarumans greatest magical gifts was the power of his voice and speech
You’re spot on. Its basically a whole chapter in the books about Sarumans voice.
Saruman was my favourite character, even when I was a child, there was something that was more dark and real about his character that isn't in the other characters in my eyes also, it's Christopher Lee...
True, his motives are something more realistic of a person with that much power. Even in the books I think he wanted the ring for himself. He would have probably become the ultimate power of the world if he had it.
The fact that he argued with the director about how Saruman should sound like when he's being stabbed
Man not only does this scene give a perfect conclusion to one of the main villains of the previous movies, he also sets up a lot of the archs in this movie to come, such as Gandalf, Aragorn, and Theoden
Which really makes one wonder why it was cut from the theatrical version. It's been over a decade since I saw the theatrical verion, I only watch the extended now, but it's still a shame that this scene isn't part of my memories of my first viewing of LotR.
@@BingBong67489 well it wouldn't fit in the structure of the films, it didn't really fit anywhere in the story
I love the dialogue in this scene. It feels like genuine medieval English literature.
A lot was lifted straight from the book for this scene 😊
Gibbets and crows? Dotum!
Ecxatly, sad that modern fantasy like Witcher, or even GoT dont have this vibe
@@avrace2708 To be fair, The Witcher does have it's moments. Unlike Game of Thrones.
@@avrace2708 Game of Thrones sometimes did, but only in earlier seasons when the source material was available! In any case, Game of Thrones is meant to be less epic and more realistic. It was written as a reaction to Lord of the Rings. But there were still literary expressions: Circei said things like "By what right dare you lay hands on my blood?" and "You condemn yourself with your own mouth!"
The petrified look on Pippin's face at 1:59 when Saruman declares, "you're all going to die" was just too real. 😆 He looked genuinely scared.
That's Merry, not Pippin.
Even after everything Theoden was willing to spare Grima in this scene.
He was a great king
He was deliberately ingratiating and trying to get Grima to see that he could push Saruman down off the tower!
An great and noble king. RIP King Theoden
That was Frodo in the book and the scene happened at Shire which Saruman tried to turn into another Isengard
And he is shocked and saddened by his death. And why wouldn't he, Grima basically stabbed Saruman for righteous vengeange, and because he insulted Theoden. He was turning a new leaf, he didn't deserve to die. I didn't remember this scene being this sad
Very dissappointed and angered this wasn't in the theatrical cut.
Kevin Bull
But am glad it was included in the Extended Cut; which is infinitely more popular anyway.
@@TKinfinity01 is it? Most people I know have never seen it unless they're super fans.
@@nathans1899 The Lord of the Rings Extended Cut was the most popular amazon order from a couple of years ago when it was on sale. In the end though, its the fans who truly care to see it anyway.
I’ve only seen the extended version until last night. When this scene didn’t show up I was pretty confused. I might be bias because I’ve seen the extended more but I watched the theatrical ROTK after TT and it just seems strange that Saruman being a big antagonist is just breezes over like “he has no power anymore. Okay let’s move on”
Yeah, it’s kind of weird. The last we see of Saruman is him looking down at Isengard from his tower and then when Théoden and Fellowship arrive, we’re told Saruman has no power and his "ball" is just somewhere in the ruins with no explanation and it just doesn’t feel right that we don’t know the fate of him as he is one of the big villains. Still doesn’t ruin the movie in any way, which is practically perfect in every way.
Gandalf really said “my powers have doubled since we last met Saruman”
Even after everything Grima did to him, Theoden still wanted to help him and recognized that he was manipulated too. What was also awesome is even after Saurman tried to insult Rohan, Theoden ignored him with Kingly grace and kept the focus on helping his countryman.
"You are the lesson son of greater sires" He just went medieval on him with that roast.
You are a LESSER son of greater sires.. Check your hearing.
@tonertonki eh it was probably autocorrect
"lesser"
Which counts as a derogatory pun, since horses are sired by their parents.
Secretariat just ran another lap around Sham with that one.
This scene is so cool because gandalf being a wizard, makes him a vessel of direct authority bestowed by eru, and him telling saruman "Your staff is broken" is the will of eru channeled through gandalf
Possibly one of the most iconic evil wizards (aside from Voldemort, Morgoth, and Sauron himself) in all of film and literature. Though Sauron and Morgoth are technically more powerful sorcerers in Tolkien's Legendarium Saruman (with his black staff and glowing Palantir) summated the popular image of the Evil Sorcerer in early High Fantasy.
Anakin realizing that high ground wasn't needed: **Visible Confusion**
lmfao
This scene alone makes the extended cut worth it
All Saruman scenes are pure gold
I always appreciate the fact that, despite Grima being a douche, Theoden knows he is a better man that Saruman and tells him to come down and be free of him.
I love how most of the things Saruman offers to Gandalf are pretty much useless to the quest.
-Key of Orthanc - can unlock the door of the tower he's speaking from
-Key of Barad-Dur - Sauron's house? In the middle of Mordor, behind the Nazgul and tens of thousands of orcs and trolls and other monsters? What good is a key when you have to fight through all of them anyway?
-Crowns of the Seven Kings - nice collection... don't think they'd really do much against Mordor
-Rods of the Five Wizards - Gandalf and Saruman are two of the five Wizards, each of them already have their own staves. I don't know how extra rods will benefit Gandalf.
I also think that those offers were a projection of the pointless power Saruman himself sought after his entire time in the trilogy.
Gandalf: my powers have doubled since the last time we met.
Saruman: good, twice the pride, double the fall.
Better dialogue in the book.
"We will have peace," said Théoden at last thickly and with an effort. Several of the Riders cried out gladly. Théoden held up his hand. "Yes, we will have peace," he said now in a clear voice, "we will have peace, when you and all your works have perished--and the works of your dark master to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar, Saruman, and a corrupter a men's hearts. You hold out your hand it to me, and I perceive only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just--as it was not, for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine for your own profit as you desired--even so, what will you say of your torches in Westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Háma's body before the gates of the Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanic. So much for the house of Eorl. A lesser son of great sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewhither. But I fear your voice has lost its charm.”
I think this scene is fine. But nerds can never have enough
Everything about the books is better. The movies are crap.
@@dennisbraun5747brave words blasphemer.
@@nicktitus4374 The movies (including the Hobbit movies) are the true blasphemy.
@@dennisbraun5747 with the hobbit trilogy, save for a few scenes, I agree. But concerning the lotr trilogy I must whole heartily disagree. The books are the holy texts, that is beyond question, but to call the movies crap because they are not the holy texts is an insult to a true masterpiece.
“When you hang from a gibbet…
For the sport of your own crows…
We shall have peace.”
The way he says, "You are all going to die" just gives me chills. Rest in peace sir
This cut wasn't involved may be because Peter didn't want to disappoint the book readers as Saruman was killed in Shire not in Orthanc ( Isengard)
3:14 - Theoden to Grimma.
"Be free of him!"
A true king and leader of people.
Grimmas character & actor absolutely NAILED his role.
Fun fact it the guy who voices Chucky
Yeah, it's a shame this scene got cut bc Dourif did great here
"Get down. Cur!"
How did he get up there. Like there’s no doors, or stairs or anything..
Good point. It's a good place to self isolate though!
I’d expect a wizard would know something about unexplainable things
Jared Garcia yea buh what about Grima
How do you know the floor doesn't slide open with a lift upstairs
IndianTelephone yea das true
It is so heartwarming when King Theoden tries to get Grima to come down and free himself from Saruman's influence. Theoden probably understands now better than anyone how powerful Saruman's magic was and how much he can warp someone's mind. Grima did horrible things and maybe he didn't deserve any redemption, but it did look like he felt genuinely guilty when Theoden spoke to him. I'm not a big fan of the way they had Legolas kill him, but it is what it is.
This is one of my all time favorite scenes from any movie, Christopher Lee has such a haunting voice naturally, but when he gives a speech, I genuinely feel like I'm in trouble lol
when his staff breaks, someone yells BOOM 3:08 for dramatic effects
Actually Saruman grunts like he got a bruise
Its part of the spell.
I've heard it toooo!
😂😂😂 BOOM 😂😂😂
That was actually Saruman
Such a shame this was cut. Saruman is arguably the most prevalent enemy in the first two films so to give him no screen at all was odd.
Not to mention this is probably Saruman’s best scene in the whole trilogy
Pure chills from Theoden's speech
Damn Christopher Lee´s acting was soooo brilliant (not that I know anything about acting).. How he belittles our heroes, how almost disgusted he is, I almost want to be evil
An interesting detail I learned recently. Saruman never touched the seeing stone before, his hand hovered over it to communicate with Sauron. He looked almost graceful and in control of his own mind, unlike the others who have touched it and suffer mental, physical, etc. types of pain just from touching it. Here you see Saruman is disheveled, worn out, a spark in his eye like he's on something. And then he pulls out the stone, bare handed. The madness that overtook Denethor I think is taking over Saruman here. Idk if it's 100% or if I'm reading too much into it but I thought it was a neat little detail.
It's always astonishing that some of the kindest and purest of people can play the evil character so well. Maybe it's simply they know what true evil sounds and looks like and so fight back with the same level of care and empathy.
These movies are the crown of fantasy in all film and TV. There has never been an equal or a challenger.
Not sure if it’s cannon to the books but I love how powerful Saruman’s voice is. He can have a simple conversation from hundreds of feet away with someone, yet it’s so loud and vocal; even in the fellowship of the ring his voice could be heard hundreds of miles away from the mountain pass commanding a mountain to crumble. Saruman is bad ass!
100% cannon
1200% canon
His voice is very powerful and alluring. In this scene, in the book, Even those who are against him are put at ease when he speaks to them in a "sweet" tone. He's able to capture attention, pty and favour for himself simply by his voice. But at some point, he snaps at that group and suddenly they realise he's an evil, evil force. The only unaffected ones are Gandalf, Legolas and Aragorn - even Theoden and his army are enraptured by his speech.
@@anku6793 Ka-boom!
You might try actually reading the books and find out for yourself.
I don't know why but I found it so hilarious when Saruman says "So you've come here for Informaetion".😂
Yeah that's hella funny Christopher Lee never failed to deliver a funny line.
ikr.. he seemed genuinely happy about it as well xd
This scene should’ve ended with Saruman’s staff breaking and falling to the floor crawling back into the tower like in the book. Saruman in the book dies in the shire towards the end of ROTK.
It wouldn't have worked. The books are incredible but it's already a meme how many endings there are after the battle at the black gate. Imagine also the scouring of the shire being in there. It would have looked very insingificant compared to the battles of gondor. For a general audience it would probavly even be boring.
We kind of get to see the Scouring in Galadriels mirror.
@Adam Apocalypse they should have made 4 movies instead of 3. Fellowship, Two Towers, the War of the Ring, the Return of the King. That way they could have included Prince Imrahil and Dol Amroth and the corsairs of Umbar in the 3rd and the scouring of the Shire in the 4th.
@@ImperialDiecast lack off screentime.
Just like they made denethor a greater prick and cut the major battles
I thought I remembered Saruman being killed by Wormtongue in the Shire. Thanks for confirming.
That voice... always impresses me as if I hear it for the first time
Moment where great mr. Lee corected P.J. on how the death scene should look like
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This scene is absolutely amazing. Legolas just casually shoots dude
Robert O'Brien he tried to save Saruman, they needed information from him, btw, sorry for /woooosh
@@JoeJoe-it9xd Dude... don't link subreddits outside of reddit. There is an entire Subreddit blaming people for that.
Obi-Wan Kenobi Yes, of course - General Kenobi.
3:24, although Brad Dourif didn't have any lines at that part, he said a lot with just his expressions. "You're going to forgive me?! Yes my lord, I will come down."
Grima knew Saruman spoke truly when he said he would never be free of his spell.
He acted from desperation.
I liked that whimpered "No".
"SARUMAN OF MANY COLORS!!!!!"