I remember hearing that the visual design choice of giving him an unnaturally large mouth and cracked lips with rotting teeth was based on the idea that even repeating Sauron's words had rotted his mouth simply because they were so evil. Love this depiction
😁 That plastered on, leering smile, immediately followed by a Duke Nukem upper lip sneer and an insult. "Is there any of this rout with authority to treat with me?" Or "Any you assholes wanna negotiate?" Gandalf: 🤨 "Uhhh, with Ultimate Evil? No, thanks."
I like when Gandalf calls him "Faithless and accursed" he just smiles like he's been complemented, like, "OMG THAT'S MEEE, faithless and accursed! (灬º‿º灬)♡"
This is one of my favorite scenes in the entire trilogy because its the first time we see Mordor as it’s own culture and society and not just a region of mindless creatures. There’s sarcasm, intelligence, and lore building here all packed into 3 minutes.
If there's a society at all in Mordor, it would be composed by Black Numenoreans, the most disciplined orc captains, maybe easterling worshippers and the slaves at Nurnen.
Love how Gandalf, despite being emotionally distraught, immediately catches Merry and Pippin's sympathy towards Frodo could absolutely screw everyone over right now. If Frodo is in fact not dead, and Sauron doesn't know his purpose, which is the case, then the Mouth is here to gain information about him, and it almost works. Imagine if they mentioned the Ring, Frodo's quest would be fucked.
I haven’t seen these movies since they came out (guess I’ve been waiting for the right time to binge all of them now that I’m in my 30’s and will undoubtedly have a much deeper understanding and interest than when I was 12 lol) but one thing I already know I’m gonna get annoyed with is how much I wanna slap the shit outta merry and pippin lmao
Fun fact! The reason his mouth is all jacked up like that is due to his position as Sauron's lieutenant, he was taught both the dark arts and the black speech. The words that leave his mouth are so profane and vile, they literally rot and destroy the mouth that utter them if spoken enough.
This character was perfectly portayed. Unsettling and horrifying. And purely evil and sadistic when he describes the pain of the fake death of Frodo. Shivers
@@zuzuspetals9180 its gonna be long, sry "So you have yet another of these imps with you!" he cried "What use you find in them i cannot guess; but to send them as spies into Mordor is beyond even your accustomed folly. Still, I thank him, for it is plain that this brat at least has seen these tokens before, and it would be vain for you to deny them now!" .................................... "Dwarf-coat, elf-cloak, blade of the downfallen west, and spy from the little rat-land of the shire -- nay, do not start! We know it well - here are the marks of a conspiracy. Now, maybe he that bore these things was a creature you would not grieve to lose, and maybe otherwise: one dear to you perhaps? If so, take swift counsel with what little wit is left to you. For Sauron does not love spies, and what his fate shall be depends now on your choice." ................................ "Good, good!" he said "He was dear to you, I see. Or else his errand was one that you did not wish to fail? It has. And now he shall endure the slow torment of years, as long and slow as our arts in the Great Tower can contrive, and never be released, unless maybe when he is changed and broken, so that he may come to you, and you shall see what you have done. This shall surely be - unless you accept my Lord's terms." Those were the passages I think they were talking about (Return of the King (Book V, chapter 10))
Never realized this before, but whenever the Mouth speaks, you can just barely hear Sauron whispering in the Black Speech, right before the Mouth speaks. So in a sense, he's acting like a literal translator for Sauron. Nice!!
Just shows how twisted and evil he is. The mouth of Sauron is a black numenorian. One of the descendants of the fallen kingdom and Sauron corrupted him and made him a puppet
Poor guy. It was probably his last day before retirement. He would have been given the full Mordor dental plan as a bonus as well but oh no Aragorn had to go kill him for no reason.
I love Legolas's expression in this scene. Orlando Bloom was so good at conveying the complete and total disgust an elf would feel in the presence of someone who not only serves Sauron, but does so willingly and with great joy.
Let's not forget that, as a black numenorian, he was one or descended from one of those that destroyed the ancient friendship with the elves, worshipped Morgoth and caused the fall of one of the Elves greatest ally for prejudices and ungratefulness.
True, tho for me it was the teeth. If that guy were to suffer greatly at the hands of a dentist, i'm willing to bet Legolas would despise him only slightly less.
I love how much charisma they gave this guy. He’s around for all of 2 minutes but he is so incredibly memorable, and not just because of his design. Wish he could’ve played a bigger part
I find him interesting because its really like the only time you get to see a Black Numenorean in the Jackson films, probably why Aragon took more offense to him than the rest and decided to kill him, because his people were responsible for the sinking of Numenor.
As detailed in other Tolkein writing, Gandalf plays this to perfection. He certainly fears for Frodo, yet carefully controls his reactions, desperately trying to control his friends' reactions so as to not give away anything to the Mouth: he wants to know if Sauron has the ring....... he allows the Mouth to gloat about Frodo, analysing what he hears. But he ends up knowing, after the exchange, that Sauron does not in fact have the ring, he knows that the Mouth and Sauron did not know Frodo was carrying it; and so he hopes in the possibility that somehow Frodo is alive and even more that the ring yet safe. He knows that the Mouth would have gloated over that had it been - the Mouth only gloats over torture and death of Frodo (which is not even true itself). The Mouth thinks the victory is simply emotional to have hurt a friend: the Mouth does not even know abut the ring! Gandalf is very smart with this scene.
Exactly. The Mouth gloating about the torture of death of Frodo ended up revealing that Sauron didn't know Frodos purpose, and that he doesn't know Frodo has the Ring still.
See, I always took it that the Mouth did get to Gandalf a bit. After the "He did, Gandalf, he did" line, as Aragorn rides up, you can see Gandalf hunched over. He looks broken.
Also, no mention of Sam. In my opinion, for Gandalf, the logical conclusion here would be that Frodo might indeed be dead, but Sam is probably alive and has the Ring.
I just love how they made this guy look absolutely revolting and yet so charismatic at the same time. His teeth are disgusting and yet you can’t help but watch him speak when the camera focuses on him.
I would love to see him at a real UN summit. Shhhhhhh aha! Who would have thought deregulating carbon dioxide emissions could cause so much paàaaain. It deeeed Mr. Chairman. It deeeeed.
Didn't know the servants of the dark lord were so sassy 😂 I love it, that fake smile he flashes when he first walks up always cracks me up. Like Sauron said go out there and just mess with em a little
He is a representation of Sauron’s mouth so his directly regurgitating his words directly - he has no identity or individuality as such (lost as he gave himself to Sauron)
If you watch the extended version of the fellowship of the ring, when Gandalf recites the poem of the ring in black speech, Sauron matches with him. But when he’s done he lets out this bellowing laugh. Sauron’s sadistic and he takes pleasure in trying to tear people apart
I love how both sides are bluffing. The Mouth is bluffing that they caught a hobbit; Gandalf and co are bluffing about what he was doing there. Sauron only ever supposed that the hobbit(s) would have been spies. Nearly ruined by Pippin, as ever.
Sauron actually heard the news from Nazguls that hobbits had the ring. He didn't really know where they live or how they look but later he did know they were halflings and came close to Shire or something like that.
In the book this scene is longer and the Mouth is actually sent to offer a truce in exchange for peace. Sauron demands that the men and elves of the West must remove all troops from his borders and return to their smaller realms (Minas Tirith, the Meduseld, and Mirkwood) while giving Sauron command of the greater lands in exchange they get to keep their small fiefdoms but must pay tribute to him. Gandalf finds the demand overreaching and senses desperation. When the Mouth presents them with Frodo's Mithril shirt it catches them off guard, but Gandalf keeps his cool and demands to see that Frodo is indeed their prisoner. To this the Mouth winces at this request and then Gandalf in turn rejects Sauron's terms for a truce.
I think that's true. Though another reasons I think he kept the faith is that he likely would have expected a servant of Sauron to gloat over regaining the ring, and the mouth of Sauron made no mention of Samwise. If Sauron had the ring, he'd have no reason to hide it as he'd be all-powerful once more. He'd use it to intimidate in this instance. Aragorn felt something was off about that. I feel as though the corruption the mouth spoke would have worked if not for that Numaneorian wisdom/foresight or something; thought as like you said, being a true friend probably made the fire burn stonger.
I'd also add Aragon had experience on his side: already once he had believed Merry and Pippin lost forever, only to then find them alive and well. He would not be so easily fooled again.@@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017
@@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017seven months later and just wanted to say that this was a good comment 👍. I think it is striking that it is Aragorn and not Gandalf who acts and denies the corruption outright. You can see in Gandalf’s face that he is broken by what he hears even though he is an angelic being he is subdued temporarily. Aragorn, the one true king!
“Who knew one so small could endure so much pain. And he did Gandalf.. He did.” Thats one hell of and emotional power play. I’ve would’ve been wrecked if I was in that position.
The actors did a formidable job right here.. The emotions were so real, you could see the pain on their faces.. Probably why he was Saurons negotiator, to throw them off
@@evelyne4034 I will be honest, I think the acting in LOTR altogether is quite flat. But it is a huge trilogy and they had many scenes to interpret, so they didn't have so much time or resources to make each scene worthy of an oscar. But yes, I wish they included this scene in the original. It would scare some of the younger people for sure. LOTR is a child's story after all. Probably why they left it out.
@@123TauruZ321 I guess, they tend to cut out more important scenes in the Hobbit, e.g why Thranduil was so keen on getting those white jewels from the dwarves, this scene isn't really important, but I also think they cut it because of Aragorn beheading a messenger, which in war isn't something you do as a king.
I love that little gasp he does at 1:58, like he's just remembered some minor piece of interesting trivia and isn't about to attempt to crush their spirits by lying about Frodo's death
In all seriousness though, this scene is so powerful, even when presented with seemingly clear evidence of their doom and the failure of their quest to save all that is good in their world, Aragorn still refuses to give up or lose faith.
I mean, while it is an I'll omen, if all had truly been lost I doubt it would just be the mouth gloating that one hobbit was dead. 1: theres 2 hobbits. No mention of Sam 2: if they had the ring, they'd be gloating WAY harder
This is definitely definitely a for better or worse scene, because it both has pros and cons Pros: - Mouth of Sauron - both sides bluffing while not fully knowing - good music Cons - Aragorn goes out of character by killing the Mouth of Sauron
Homies grill looks like 50 sticks of butter, and he has the social skills of a door-to-door missionary. Clearly he obtained this position because of that absolutely smashing hat.
I always loved how the Weta design team intentionally went for the "half warrior/half priest" aesthetic. It's so unique and memorable. Goddamn I love this trilogy.
Everyone comments on his teeth. I'm more freaked out by how the skin of his mouth looks like it's splitting open to reveal the raw muscle underneath every time he speaks.
Lots of lore knowledgeable people here. The language of Mordor is so cursed it does in fact disfigure the one who speaks it and corrupt the space around them. One of the reasons Gandalf does not speak the words on the One Ring at Bag End in Frodo's house.
In the Books however Aragorn doesn't cut off his head he's allowed to leave, that bit was completely out of character for Aragron plus he wouldn't kill an unarmed opponent.
@@SagaciousNihilist perhaps that's why the scene was cut. but i can defend aragorn doing it in the movie he knew Souron's Mouth was lying and that he was trying demoralize the heroes. so it's better to just shut him up here and there. and there would be no time to regret coming
@@yosefyonin6824 Or it was cut because it was goofy as hell with the guys mannerisms, therefore unfitting, and quite frankly made no sense as it shows that Sauron was aware of a halfling spy in Mordor, yet did nothing to protect the entrance of the vulcano.
My jaw dropped when I saw the extended edition for the first time. Hes the closest thing to Sauron that we get to see because he has more of a personality than the witch king. You can almost get a hint to Saurons personality by watching the Mouth. The Mouth is a real bastard. Antagonistic, sarcastic, and cruel, but undoubtedly intelligent. His accent is also very interesting.
@@Doommaster677 agreed, probably why they didn't end up putting him in. Or they didn't think that they could give his appearance enough weight, which the cut scene definitely did not
”I guess that concludes negotiations” And that’s how you do comedic relief. Subtle, not enough to make you laugh, but enough to lighten the mood in a rather dark scene. Best movie trilogy ever.
At 1:34, you can hear faint whispers on the air, after which the Mouth immediately speaks. It continues in the background throughout much of the scene. I never noticed it before, but I'm guessing it's supposed to be Sauron communicating with his servant and telling him what to say.
The first time I saw this I didn't know what he meant by "treat with me", so I liked to imagine that he meant he was looking for someone to share some treats with. Like, they would bring out a table and chairs, and enjoy some cake and cookies together.
I love hearing about stuff like this. (I assume you were a kid. Not that it matters, only in the fact that I absolutely love discovering things when I become an adult that went over my head as a kid. Or even misheard. A great example is the blues brothers. But it wasn't until I saw the movie as an adult, about 30 yrs old, when I finally got what was meant by "One prophylactic. unopened. And then "one soiled". For a long time I just assumed whatever it was got some dirt on it and they never washed it off)
I assume it comes from the word "treaty". Sauron sent a messenger to listen to the demands Men were giving. Gandalf, instead, says they aren't here for negotiations, but rather unconditional surrender - they must leave the occupied lands, go back to Mordor and disband, or they will all be destroyed.
it really is beautiful in its own kind of way. Some people are just scared of different. But this guy was clearly his own man, and he wasn't ashamed to show that smile to the world. Truly inspiring
A stupid scene that wasn't in the book. As he mention in the book when he is afraid of Aragorn, He is a emissary and ambassador for Sauron, and hence must not be touched, which Aragorn accept and he is allowed to return to Mordor.
Fuck him. The Mouth of Sauron was an asshole and he wasn’t out there for any real negotiations. He was abusing his power as an emissary to taunt, insult, and demoralize our protagonists.
Such a treacherous villain. Really gets into their heads. Gandalf had already felt guilty for sending Frodo and Sam to almost certain death and Sauron and then this villain really capitalize on that guilt. One of the only scenes I can remember where Gandalf seems defeated and is tearing up. “How such a small creature can endure so much pain. And he did Gandalf, he did…” And then Aragorn steps up to fulfill the leadership role Gandalf had held “I do not believe it. I can not!” It’s a compelling scene.
Some fun facts about the Mouth of Sauron; the decision to make him look like this was made for the movie. In the books, he's just a mook in a full faced helmet but they changed it to imply that Sauron is so evil that merely speaking his will distorts the speaker's appearance. His mouth was supposed to appear sideways instead of cracked at first but that was scrapped when Jackson decided it would look a little bit too silly. His mouth was made digitally larger to give him a very uncanny valley appearance and it was even planned to have his helmet hooked into his mouth so he was always smiling unsettling. It was scrapped whilst in the early design stages because it made it impossible for Bruce Spence to actually move his mouth but Jackson liked the whole "high collar behind the cowl" look so that stayed.
This is my favorite deleted scene and the one I wish made it in the movie. “For Frodo” hits so much harder when you’ve seen this. As much as Aragorn says he doesn’t believe it, there is a chance Frodo is dead and there is no hope that they will win. But, if they should die, they will fight until the very end in his honor. Aragon rallying the Fellowship in Frodo’s name is so beautiful.
I think he does know frodo hasn't been captured because then sauron would have the ring and there would be no reason to send out the mouth to negotiate at all. He knows it's a bluff.
If Sauron had captured Frodo he would either have taken the Ring and he would have covered Middle Earth with a Second Darkness and destroyed Gondor and driven the Survivor's beyond the Great River, or Sam would have taken the Ring from Frodo before he was Captured and Frodo would have been tortured and the Orcs would be searching Mordor for Sam and the Ring because Gollum had told his torturers that he had possessed the Ring and who had it and where it was, so Sauron would know everything about the plan to destroy the Ring and that was why Frodo was in Mordor...
after watching this many times i kinda felt bad, he was chill and if we got him a dentist, a toothbrush, and some mouth wash he'd probably a be a standup guy with a stunning smile
The makeup team did an amazing job with this character. Not just with the teeth, but the splitting skin as well. It’s so disgusting but I love it so much
I like how the Mouth of Sauron inadvertently gives away waaaaaaay too much information that allows Aragorn to discern that the plan hasn't failed. 1) He never mentions Sam at all. Just that they caught a halfling with a mithril vest on. The Mouth exclusively only talks about the one hobbit they caught. 2) No mention of the Ring. If the enemy had the Ring, they would've revealed that immediately. So for not saying anything about Sam and the Ring, Aragorn is able to figure out that Sam at the very least is still alive, and most likely has the Ring. So the plan can still succeed as long as they hold the line. This is also why Gandalf stops Merry and Pippin from talking.
Yeah, but Aragorn already assumed that the plan could still work, or he wouldn't have come, so that remains unchanged. Literally all the new information does is demoralize them. Sure the plan can still succeed, but they still believe that Frodo was tortured and killed.
no lol, that is not at all what aragorn was thinking. he intentionally says "I do not believe it! I WILL not..." The "will" being the point of the matter, ie: hope, faith. The thing that separates the evil from the good (in traditional neoplatonic-christian morality)
Firstly, they only know about the one hobbit. They never knew about Sam. Secondly, Sauron thought Pippin was the one who had the ring, hence why Gandalf brought him to the White City to begin with. They had no idea there were two hobbits, and they had no idea the one they caught had the ring. The Mouth acted on all the information that was provided.
I can't help but admire how the scarred skin around the mouth opens and closes based on his mouth movement. This guy has such a disgustingly beautiful design!
I love the look of the Mouth of Sauron here, but the scene is so much more epic in the book. Instead of the Dark Lieutenant lying about Frodo being dead, he tries to use Frodo's life as a bargaining chip to get Gandalf to accept Sauron's harsh terms of Gondor's surrender, which would have included the Dark Lieutenant replacing Saruman at a newly rebuild Isengard. Also, instead of murdering the ambassador (he would never do that), Aragorn and the Dark Lieutenant lock eyes for a moment, and that scares the Lieutenant so much he screams out that he is not to be murdered as he is the negotiator.
I agree that it's out of character for him to kill him, but the Dark Lieutenant cowering and riding away doesn't really fit with the open scenery. I can't imagine watching a small figure riding through the open landscape and adding to an epic scene
the whole film is a gross misrepresentation of the books, and loses the kernal of the themes in exchange for pandering to retarded concepts popular in America and Antipodean 'culture'. You'd be quite unaware of what the books are actually about if you'd only settled for the films. But then many folks prefer a Mcdonalds to nutritious food garnred from a well run landscape, because it so much easier and accessible and they are all the worse for it.
The look he gives Gandal after calling him “Old Grey Beard” and the little gasp of excitement before pulling out the mythril is everything to me. MOS was just a large baby lmao
He has about a minute of screen time but he's one of my favorite characters. Not a favorite in the usual sense that you root for them, etc, but in the sense that it's a really interesting character. His mouth is done perfectly. His teeth almost look metallic from the constant oozing of blood and bile. The way he cannot help but bathe in their misery is great. Like, every little hint of anguish causes a mini-orgasm within him lol It's great. I kinda wish he was in the theatrical version and had a bit more time on screen.
Exactly this is the very thaughts of melkor the first dark lord impregnated into the Third age of middle earth as in the beginning the song was good and harmony transcended but melkor thaught different (evil) and opposite of beauty which is something like this or an orc i guess
In the book, Tolkien goes away from the Frodo-Sam-Gollum storyline and doesn't come back to it for a couple of hundred pages until right after this scene. So if you were reading the book, you really wouldn't know at this point whether Frodo was alive or dead and a lot of the tension in this scene depends on that. And Tolkien does this a LOT in the trilogy. When he jumps from one story line to the next, you may have to go back a few days or even a few weeks to pick up where the story left off. Peter Jackson explained in the commentary that when they wrote the movie's screenplay, they had to re-organize all the timelines into chronological order. So now, when the Mouth of Sauron taunts them, we (the audience) know that Frodo is fine, because we just saw him escape from Shelob's lair about 10 minutes ago. It's still a cool scene but it was an easy scene to remove in editing because there's no danger to Frodo here.
It's more of a repurposing of the focus of the scene. The characters stand in place of the reader. The curiosity or dread that we felt is now transposed onto Gandalf, Aragorn, and crew. All in all I'm glad they filmed this scene.
As a fan of both the books and the movies, I am glad they kept this scene in the movie and it doesn’t matter that it doesn’t hold the same weight as it did in the book. For me the most powerful part of this scene is that they have every reason to loose hope and as far as they know there is none. Frodo is probably dead, Sauron will soon have the ring (if he doesn’t already) anything they do going forward is fraught. Despite all of this they choose to fight anyway. It hits me every time I watch it.
Despite the audience of the movies being fully aware that Frodo is still alive, this scene still manages to stir engaging frustration within the viewers when they see the antagonist create a misunderstanding to catch the rest of the fellowship off guard. Shows how despicable and manipulative Pure-Evil can be.
Never understood why this wasn't included in the theatrical version. Without it there is a great deal of context that is not present for this final battle.
In the books, the scene with Shelob and Frodo being "killed" took place at the very end of Two Towers. They do not go back to Frodo or Sam until the end of Return of the King, so in books this scene is meant to make you think that Frodo is actually dead and it's a fakeout. Obliviously this doesn't work in the film because the Shelob scene happens parallel to the Battle of Minas Tirith and they constantly go back to focusing on Frodo and Sam throughout the film so you immediately know they aren't dead while in the books, Two Towers ends with Sam taking the ring and you don't find out that Frodo is actually alive until after this scene!
Because the way they set up the scenes in the film, you already know Frodo is alive! So it makes it kind of unneeded. I like the scene but still, since they abridged it like how they did, it doesn't really make since in the context of the films to have it!
Well the scene also serves the purpose of charging that final battle with emotion. The messenger bluffs, and the remaining fellowship thinks their last hope has failed. It makes them all prepared to take one final stand and die. That's how the line, "for Frodo" makes any sense. It's also why it's so awesome to see the tower fall and the tears in Gandalf's eyes. There is a moment where they didn't think they'd live to see this evil vanquished...all because of the Mouth.
“I do not believe it… I will not…” chills. Every. Single. Time. Even though the fellowship had every reason to believe that Frodo was dead they did not give up hope. Ugh these movies man!!! Nothing tops them.
Aragorn was smart to not believe it too. After all, if Sauron really had captured Frodo and retook the ring, he would not bother wasting time with this "negotiation". He also wouldn't have sent the Mouth of Sauron. He would have come out himself, with the ring, and killed Aragorn where he stood. So the fact that Sauron was still acting cautious in this situation was a pretty good indicator that he didn't have the ring yet and I think Aragorn picked up on that.
Imagine the immense guilt that Gandalf felt in that moment. Even though Frodo isn't really dead the fact that Gandalf thought that he was knowing that he's the reason Frodo went on that perilous journey in the first place.
Fun fact: In the books, the Mouth of Sauron survived this encounter after being intimidated into retreat by Gandalf and Aragorn, who forced him to surrender Frodo's mithril shirt instead of him tossing it over to them. He also gave the terms of surrender for the armies of the west, they included the men of Rohan rebuilding Isengard, which he hoped to claim for himself as Sauron's new right hand man after Saruman's fall from grace. His ultimate fate in the books remains unknown but it's hinted at that he was among the more "noble" of Sauron's allies who faced the free peoples in some last-ditch effort battles after the destruction of the Ring, eventually perishing.
@@IndianHeathen1982 a black numenorean and someone who willingly served evil is like his main enemy, and considering his face it could be taken as pity, and it looks better and it's a good visual way to show that he didn't believe that frodo failed
The writing on his helmet translates to Lammen Gorthaur". It appears to be a translation which means "Voice of the Abhorred Dead". Which pretty literally means Mouth of Sauron. During the Second Age Sauron was called "Gorthaur". Another thing to add, the Mouth of Sauron had a defiled mouth due to him being a servant of Sauron and all the evil that would stem from his mouth. It corrupted his body. Kind of like how the One Ring corrupted Smeagol into Gollum
I like that just about everything The Mouth of Sauron says is a type of vocal sin. Sarcasm: “My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome.” Belittling: “Is there any in this rout with authority to treat with me?” Mockery: “Aha, old Greybeard.” Lies: “Know that he suffered greatly at the hands of his host.” Torment: “Who would’ve thought one so small could endure so much pain.”
@@londomollari1082 You cant negotiate with primordial evil either. A total war of genocidal extermination is Aragorn's ultimate goal so why should he indulge diolomatic conventions?
And everyone forgets Melkor. Yes, I know, he wasn't there, but he still is one of the most powerful characters. The whole movie wouldn't exist without him, he made Sauron that way
Maybe he expected them to be nervous and mutter about since he doesn't look "normal" and that he isn't knowned for doing polite greetings. Or expected something more since he appears to be blind as a bat
they are in shock. Aragorn is seeing one of his ancestors, Gandalf is seeing a black Numenorian for the first time in a long time, Legolas would of heard of about the fall of Numenor, same as Gimli.
@@mister_silent6 Aragorn is a descendant of Númenor, hence his long life span compared to the men of the west. The Mouth of Sauron was also Númenórean, except he was a black Númenórean. Sauron (then called Mairon) was captured by men on the island of Númenor, but Sauron was so charming and charismatic and intelligent that he went from being a captor to giving the king council and in result was freed, (hence his name Sauron the Deceiver) he went on to corrupt the people that dwelled there into worshiping Morgoth (Saurons master) convincing them to sail to the Undying Lands (Heaven) which made Eru Iluvatar (God) sink the whole island but the people who didn't follow Sauron or join his Morgoth worshiping cult were spared and took refuge in Gondor. The Mouth of Sauron would of been one of the people who tried to sail to the Undying Lands but some how survived. Thus making him an ancestor of Aragorn. Hope this helped.
I love this scene because it's when we get a glimpse into how cruel Sauron really is. It's like he just wants to break their spirits more than he wants to gain any strategic advantage in this fight.
Sauron's greatest strength was knowing the weaknesses of his enemies, and using it against them. He was also manipulative and crafty to no end, and extremely sadistic.
Everyone's talking about the excellent costume design, and it deserves all the praise, but I also wanna commend Bruce Spence on his incredible performance. Not many actors could express so much with only their jaw.
The Grey, The White, Olórin, Mithrandir, Incánus, Tharkûn, The White Rider, Greyhame, Stormcrow, Old Grey Beard, Big Grey Beard, The White Pilgrim, Láthspell. When you are alive for a couple of thousand years, you gather a few names lol.
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So you see that's where the trouble began.
That smile.
That damn smile.
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More then 1000 men have fallen from the Mouth of Sauron.
I remember hearing that the visual design choice of giving him an unnaturally large mouth and cracked lips with rotting teeth was based on the idea that even repeating Sauron's words had rotted his mouth simply because they were so evil. Love this depiction
Makes you wonder what these words imply
@@NoxNosferatu Simple. Pure evil, lies and manipulation, hatred and corruption.
You can also be evil with shiny white teeth🧐
@@Infinito_T Oh no doubt. Sauron's preferred form in the earlier ages was a beautiful, fair elven form. Evil comes in all shapes and sizes.
@@Infinito_T i mean saruman was also turned evil, but for a white wizard he had some yellow teeth goddamn
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Him: “My master Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome.”
Also him: 😁
I love that little "heh". It just shows the malice and how poisonous he is, without even any greater dialogue, just that.
😂😂😂😂❤
😁 That plastered on, leering smile, immediately followed by a Duke Nukem upper lip sneer and an insult.
"Is there any of this rout with authority to treat with me?"
Or
"Any you assholes wanna negotiate?"
Gandalf: 🤨 "Uhhh, with Ultimate Evil? No, thanks."
And Legolas: 😳
@@logans.butler285 and Aragorn 🤨
“Not with 10,000 dentists could you do this, it is folly”.
Awesome 😂
Really made me laugh. Well done sir or mam!
One does not simply brush his teeth
@@oualidoualid3045 Have you heard nothing that Lord Elrond has said? The teeth must be brushed.
@ewu77 And I suppose you think you're the one to do it!
You were right about one thing, master; the negotiations were short.
Star Wars forever
*wheeze*
Insult me you bitch
The negotiations never took place
Stare
1:23 Aragorn’s horse is like
“what up dawg”
Good one lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahahahahahahahahahah broooo
Lol
Omg hahahahhaha
I like when Gandalf calls him "Faithless and accursed" he just smiles like he's been complemented, like, "OMG THAT'S MEEE, faithless and accursed! (灬º‿º灬)♡"
Lol
I think he was calling Sauron faithless and accursed though - and the Mouth took offense
I don't think he was smiling, he was sneering.
That wasn’t a smile - Clearly sneering at his master being disrespected
It's a silent snarl along the lines of "what did you just call my boss, b*tch?"
The morning breath of this guy must be a real killer.
Lol
I bet it alone would kill a morning glory lol 😂
His breath alone is enough to take down a whole army.
Handsome
Lol
I like how it’s implied that just by speaking the words of Sauron the corruption decays his mouth and teeth
That’s a beautiful observation
Damn that’s actually genius
@@angelic_stargaze well... it was stated in the behind the scenes, but yeah it’s pretty cool
Which could have been fixed if they had colgate and toothbrushes in middle earth.
@@hodb3906 I got an ad for that before watching this hahaha
This is one of my favorite scenes in the entire trilogy because its the first time we see Mordor as it’s own culture and society and not just a region of mindless creatures. There’s sarcasm, intelligence, and lore building here all packed into 3 minutes.
If there's a society at all in Mordor, it would be composed by Black Numenoreans, the most disciplined orc captains, maybe easterling worshippers and the slaves at Nurnen.
@@viniciusvyller9458 who whould be Tormented By Ranger Haunted By a Elf Wraith who Build the door in the Mines.
@@draw2death421 You can't be tormented by bad fanfiction.
@@TheOnceandFutureJake but you can be tormented by a Good game.
@@draw2death421 I agree. Unfortunately, the Shadow games are not good games.
Love how Gandalf, despite being emotionally distraught, immediately catches Merry and Pippin's sympathy towards Frodo could absolutely screw everyone over right now. If Frodo is in fact not dead, and Sauron doesn't know his purpose, which is the case, then the Mouth is here to gain information about him, and it almost works. Imagine if they mentioned the Ring, Frodo's quest would be fucked.
I’m not sure why they brouht those 2 in the first place, they’re sort of proven fuck ups.
Fortunately they kill him so he can't bring intel back (in this version. He lives in the book)
I haven’t seen these movies since they came out (guess I’ve been waiting for the right time to binge all of them now that I’m in my 30’s and will undoubtedly have a much deeper understanding and interest than when I was 12 lol) but one thing I already know I’m gonna get annoyed with is how much I wanna slap the shit outta merry and pippin lmao
@@twall91 The slapping of Merry and Pippin will be like small stones that start an avalanche of joy
@@possessedchair8144 Yeah, after all, Pippin almost got everyone killed in Moria. And Merry was a third wheel at best.
He needs to suffer greatly at the hands of a dentist.
don't fear your dentist, let the dentist fear you
@@en1909s9iah As He come within dark side of Outer God.
Gandalf the White could of cured his teeth by saying the magic words I release you!
_wheezes_
Fun fact! The reason his mouth is all jacked up like that is due to his position as Sauron's lieutenant, he was taught both the dark arts and the black speech. The words that leave his mouth are so profane and vile, they literally rot and destroy the mouth that utter them if spoken enough.
The Nose of Sauron must have an uneventful job
Like the Chin of Sauron or the Forehead of Sauron.
What about the right testicle of Sauron?
Oh god. I do not want to know what the ass of Sauron looks like >.>
Sauron was beautiful once. Which is why he was able to trick the men of numenor
What about Fingers of Sauron?
This character was perfectly portayed. Unsettling and horrifying. And purely evil and sadistic when he describes the pain of the fake death of Frodo. Shivers
Bruno Piga it’s worse in the books, just a taste of what this bastard is capable of.
@@fbnflaviusbroadcastingnetw6786 What makes him worse in the books ?
Yeah, FBN Flavius Broadcasting Network!!! ....don’t leave us hanging like that!!!
@@zuzuspetals9180 its gonna be long, sry
"So you have yet another of these imps with you!" he cried "What use you find in them i cannot guess; but to send them as spies into Mordor is beyond even your accustomed folly. Still, I thank him, for it is plain that this brat at least has seen these tokens before, and it would be vain for you to deny them now!"
....................................
"Dwarf-coat, elf-cloak, blade of the downfallen west, and spy from the little rat-land of the shire -- nay, do not start! We know it well - here are the marks of a conspiracy. Now, maybe he that bore these things was a creature you would not grieve to lose, and maybe otherwise: one dear to you perhaps? If so, take swift counsel with what little wit is left to you. For Sauron does not love spies, and what his fate shall be depends now on your choice."
................................
"Good, good!" he said "He was dear to you, I see. Or else his errand was one that you did not wish to fail? It has. And now he shall endure the slow torment of years, as long and slow as our arts in the Great Tower can contrive, and never be released, unless maybe when he is changed and broken, so that he may come to you, and you shall see what you have done. This shall surely be - unless you accept my Lord's terms."
Those were the passages I think they were talking about (Return of the King (Book V, chapter 10))
Fayetal Attraction Many thanks for that!! I thoroughly appreciate your time and efforts!! I SHALL sleep again!!! Yaaaaaaaaayyy!! What a star!!!
Never realized this before, but whenever the Mouth speaks, you can just barely hear Sauron whispering in the Black Speech, right before the Mouth speaks. So in a sense, he's acting like a literal translator for Sauron. Nice!!
Just shows how twisted and evil he is. The mouth of Sauron is a black numenorian. One of the descendants of the fallen kingdom and Sauron corrupted him and made him a puppet
I dont hear anything
Hey, just a question, why do you lie so much and exaggerate?
@@camblongkaras7121no, listen closely starting from 1:58, there's really something in the background
@@alexandra_efrimovaoh wow this is cool
"I guess that concludes negotiations"
This is why I love Gimli so much
The negotiations were short
@@chimpout You were right master, the negotiations were short.
Any righteousness the fellowship had in fighting this war went out the window when Aragon innocently cut down the mouth of sauron
I always kinda hear it as "you suck at king's negotiations."
@@johnnymartinez478 whaaa Aragorn had every right to lob his head off they thought Frodo was tortured to death
1:23 aragons horse really said "sup dawg" to the mouths of saurons horse
I can't unsee it now, that's hilarious
lmao
And it was after mouth's horse said sup first 😂
LOL OH SHIT
Ughh neigh dude
Poor guy. It was probably his last day before retirement. He would have been given the full Mordor dental plan as a bonus as well but oh no Aragorn had to go kill him for no reason.
Exactly!
your 100th like, its even now
The one plan...
What are his kids going to do?
Mouth of Sauron eats children alive, I would’ve done the same.
I love that he smiles widely after greeting them. Cant say he didnt try 😂
My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome (Speech 100)
Perfect Speech Indeed
Black speech 100*
💀💀
😅
*shit eating grin*
I love Legolas's expression in this scene. Orlando Bloom was so good at conveying the complete and total disgust an elf would feel in the presence of someone who not only serves Sauron, but does so willingly and with great joy.
Cults of Personality they worshipped him thought he was invincible.
Let's not forget that, as a black numenorian, he was one or descended from one of those that destroyed the ancient friendship with the elves, worshipped Morgoth and caused the fall of one of the Elves greatest ally for prejudices and ungratefulness.
@@giacomoromano8842 you need to get a life dude
True, tho for me it was the teeth. If that guy were to suffer greatly at the hands of a dentist, i'm willing to bet Legolas would despise him only slightly less.
Sorry abut this, but I couldn’t resist
I love how much charisma they gave this guy. He’s around for all of 2 minutes but he is so incredibly memorable, and not just because of his design. Wish he could’ve played a bigger part
FYI if you've seen the second two mad max movies this is the pilot guy.
It's that smile. That damned smile.
Characters like this are only great for a brief time, give it 2/3 scenes and they become annoying.
I find him interesting because its really like the only time you get to see a Black Numenorean in the Jackson films, probably why Aragon took more offense to him than the rest and decided to kill him, because his people were responsible for the sinking of Numenor.
Yes much charisma indeed. I'd love to have this guy at home being my personal servant
As detailed in other Tolkein writing, Gandalf plays this to perfection. He certainly fears for Frodo, yet carefully controls his reactions, desperately trying to control his friends' reactions so as to not give away anything to the Mouth: he wants to know if Sauron has the ring....... he allows the Mouth to gloat about Frodo, analysing what he hears. But he ends up knowing, after the exchange, that Sauron does not in fact have the ring, he knows that the Mouth and Sauron did not know Frodo was carrying it; and so he hopes in the possibility that somehow Frodo is alive and even more that the ring yet safe. He knows that the Mouth would have gloated over that had it been - the Mouth only gloats over torture and death of Frodo (which is not even true itself). The Mouth thinks the victory is simply emotional to have hurt a friend: the Mouth does not even know abut the ring! Gandalf is very smart with this scene.
Exactly. The Mouth gloating about the torture of death of Frodo ended up revealing that Sauron didn't know Frodos purpose, and that he doesn't know Frodo has the Ring still.
See, I always took it that the Mouth did get to Gandalf a bit.
After the "He did, Gandalf, he did" line, as Aragorn rides up, you can see Gandalf hunched over. He looks broken.
@@pancakes8670Yeah, if sauron knew, he would desesperatly move all on his power to find frodo
Also, no mention of Sam. In my opinion, for Gandalf, the logical conclusion here would be that Frodo might indeed be dead, but Sam is probably alive and has the Ring.
What if Sauron actually agreed to up and leave Middle Earth?
“Alright everybody, show’s over, everyone go back to their daily lives now.”
😂😂😂
Gandalf: "Leave!"
Sauron: "Aight..."
Anton Davidović
Sauron: “Fuck, man. All you had to do was ask.”
Gandalf: leave
Sauron: then move my fucking tower then!
Gandalf: Go back to the shadow!
Sauron: Be more kind you filthy servant of Valar! **Sits back in his throne and cross his arms**
I like how The Mouth's actor is having a great time showing off the teeth
You can show your teeths to me
@@Murat-eq3cr you filthy orc being
@@behlk i like it :D
when i read youre comment suddenly spongebob flashback come outta nowhere
He’s the guy from Mad Max 2
I just love how they made this guy look absolutely revolting and yet so charismatic at the same time. His teeth are disgusting and yet you can’t help but watch him speak when the camera focuses on him.
I would love to see him at a real UN summit. Shhhhhhh aha! Who would have thought deregulating carbon dioxide emissions could cause so much paàaaain. It deeeed Mr. Chairman. It deeeeed.
@@RequiemPoete Are you kidding? They would give him the deed to the world. They're just waiting for someone to say they can fix all the problems.
Straight facts 😅
@@shafawn9730 Lol. Maybe.
@@RequiemPoete Your comment has me rolling! Lol 😂
Didn't know the servants of the dark lord were so sassy 😂 I love it, that fake smile he flashes when he first walks up always cracks me up. Like Sauron said go out there and just mess with em a little
He is a representation of Sauron’s mouth so his directly regurgitating his words directly - he has no identity or individuality as such (lost as he gave himself to Sauron)
If you watch the extended version of the fellowship of the ring, when Gandalf recites the poem of the ring in black speech, Sauron matches with him. But when he’s done he lets out this bellowing laugh. Sauron’s sadistic and he takes pleasure in trying to tear people apart
aragorn's impression when the nouth smiled omg so funny lol
I love how both sides are bluffing. The Mouth is bluffing that they caught a hobbit; Gandalf and co are bluffing about what he was doing there. Sauron only ever supposed that the hobbit(s) would have been spies.
Nearly ruined by Pippin, as ever.
They didn’t bluff, they did capture Frodo, at least in the book. But only for a while,
Sauron actually heard the news from Nazguls that hobbits had the ring. He didn't really know where they live or how they look but later he did know they were halflings and came close to Shire or something like that.
firefrostcat62 Yeah, till all the orcs ousted themselves, and over some stupid ass shit too.. as usual; never trust an orc!
@Qimodis to Sauron to take the fight and give Frodo a chance I suppose
In the book this scene is longer and the Mouth is actually sent to offer a truce in exchange for peace. Sauron demands that the men and elves of the West must remove all troops from his borders and return to their smaller realms (Minas Tirith, the Meduseld, and Mirkwood) while giving Sauron command of the greater lands in exchange they get to keep their small fiefdoms but must pay tribute to him. Gandalf finds the demand overreaching and senses desperation. When the Mouth presents them with Frodo's Mithril shirt it catches them off guard, but Gandalf keeps his cool and demands to see that Frodo is indeed their prisoner. To this the Mouth winces at this request and then Gandalf in turn rejects Sauron's terms for a truce.
So much respect for Aragorn's undeniable faith in Frodo. A true friend.
I think that's true. Though another reasons I think he kept the faith is that he likely would have expected a servant of Sauron to gloat over regaining the ring, and the mouth of Sauron made no mention of Samwise. If Sauron had the ring, he'd have no reason to hide it as he'd be all-powerful once more. He'd use it to intimidate in this instance. Aragorn felt something was off about that. I feel as though the corruption the mouth spoke would have worked if not for that Numaneorian wisdom/foresight or something; thought as like you said, being a true friend probably made the fire burn stonger.
@@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017 😅😅
@@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017 Aragorn was smart.
I'd also add Aragon had experience on his side: already once he had believed Merry and Pippin lost forever, only to then find them alive and well. He would not be so easily fooled again.@@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017
@@maidhcdemoinbhiol6017seven months later and just wanted to say that this was a good comment 👍. I think it is striking that it is Aragorn and not Gandalf who acts and denies the corruption outright. You can see in Gandalf’s face that he is broken by what he hears even though he is an angelic being he is subdued temporarily. Aragorn, the one true king!
“Who knew one so small could endure so much pain. And he did Gandalf.. He did.” Thats one hell of and emotional power play. I’ve would’ve been wrecked if I was in that position.
I can understand why he was Saurons chief negotiator
It was quite easy to read that he was lying. He over-exaggerated it. Gandalf should have seen through that.
The actors did a formidable job right here.. The emotions were so real, you could see the pain on their faces.. Probably why he was Saurons negotiator, to throw them off
@@evelyne4034 I will be honest, I think the acting in LOTR altogether is quite flat. But it is a huge trilogy and they had many scenes to interpret, so they didn't have so much time or resources to make each scene worthy of an oscar.
But yes, I wish they included this scene in the original. It would scare some of the younger people for sure. LOTR is a child's story after all. Probably why they left it out.
@@123TauruZ321 I guess, they tend to cut out more important scenes in the Hobbit, e.g why Thranduil was so keen on getting those white jewels from the dwarves, this scene isn't really important, but I also think they cut it because of Aragorn beheading a messenger, which in war isn't something you do as a king.
If you listen closely you can hear sauron himself talking in the winds, and the mouth is simply translating the dark speach .
Didn't notice that thank you.
holy shit, nice catch. that's awsome
Yeah its a nice detail that reveals that mouth of Sauron is a literal mouthpiece/puppet.
@@SagaciousNihilist which is infinitely cooler than just being an evil ugly ass messenger
I love that little gasp he does at 1:58, like he's just remembered some minor piece of interesting trivia and isn't about to attempt to crush their spirits by lying about Frodo's death
If you listen closely you can hear Sauron speaking to him, remembering him to show the item.
@@melonfarmersounds yoo I never noticed that, that's so cool lol
It's so funny
You could also add a cartoon light bub over his head for maximum effect.
@@melonfarmersounds i never heard that, thats sooo cool
I love that the Mouth has lost all of his identity, except in his role to serve Sauron. Shows how enslaving evil truly is
I think it shows compassion that they would still give an important role to a disabled person. I'm started to route for the bad guys
Modern day equivalent is anyone in the Trump administration doing interviews on news networks
barbaxamos How?
Kaian凯安 LOL
Poor mouth
I like the confused face he makes after everyone looks at him with disgust, when he only gave them a big, welcoming friendly smile.
TechMechMen a big welcoming smile in need of a dentist or two
Well there are no dentists in England... I mean Mordor
Oluf The Explorer there's a difference?
Oh lort, why have I never realized that lmaooo that's everything
The Irish ones are all still busy with Shane MacGowan :)
The mouth of Sauron was so awesome. I wish there was more scenes with him
in a way I think the very limited screen time made this scene much more special
In all seriousness though, this scene is so powerful, even when presented with seemingly clear evidence of their doom and the failure of their quest to save all that is good in their world, Aragorn still refuses to give up or lose faith.
I mean, while it is an I'll omen, if all had truly been lost I doubt it would just be the mouth gloating that one hobbit was dead.
1: theres 2 hobbits. No mention of Sam
2: if they had the ring, they'd be gloating WAY harder
This is definitely definitely a for better or worse scene, because it both has pros and cons
Pros:
- Mouth of Sauron
- both sides bluffing while not fully knowing
- good music
Cons
- Aragorn goes out of character by killing the Mouth of Sauron
@@Rinesmyth Pro: “I guess that concludes negotiations”
Don't think its out of character, the Mouth is fouler than any orc.
@@Rinesmyth Another con: shit CG, I have not seen the extended cut but this to my knowledge was the leased polished CG in the trilogy
"I do not believe it, I will not! Oh hi Mark"
Alias Abawe not all heroes wear capes
You did it. You've won the internet...
Everyone...the time has finally come...we can all go home now...
I knew this scene reminded me of someone.
Show’s over, folks. Nothing more to see. Greatest comment now and forever
This was perfect
After all these years I could never get over that "Just brush your teeth man" look from Aragorn. So funny.
Homies grill looks like 50 sticks of butter, and he has the social skills of a door-to-door missionary.
Clearly he obtained this position because of that absolutely smashing hat.
Lol
I always loved how the Weta design team intentionally went for the "half warrior/half priest" aesthetic. It's so unique and memorable.
Goddamn I love this trilogy.
This character is amazingly horrifying and disgusting. I both hate seeing him but can’t get enough
Everyone comments on his teeth. I'm more freaked out by how the skin of his mouth looks like it's splitting open to reveal the raw muscle underneath every time he speaks.
Yeah, that's because Black Speech rots the mouth when spoken.
I didn’t even think about that now that I think of it it’s disgusting 😖
@@sofiadyrnes5374 its cute XD
That’s exactly what Peter Jackson wanted you to focus on
Lots of lore knowledgeable people here. The language of Mordor is so cursed it does in fact disfigure the one who speaks it and corrupt the space around them. One of the reasons Gandalf does not speak the words on the One Ring at Bag End in Frodo's house.
"Bring me an toothpaste, worthy of Mordooor"
AHAHAHAHAHAH OMG
well he is bleeding inside it seems.
Perhaps from "Arm and Hammer." Sounds worthy for Sauron's Mouth
*HEY WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE I THOUGHT GANDALF KILLED YOU?!*
"What news from the Dentist association, my lord! What do the dentists command?"
"We have work to do!"
he delivers every sentence like its stand up comedy.
MattG124 Someone make an edit where everytime he says something there is a laughing crowd.
But it has to be an orc crowd, who would be into that sh*t
MattG124 lol
No, you mean "bur"
Give him a break. He hasn't had a decent IQ audience in a while.
I dunno why they cut this bit from the theatrical release, it's astoundingly well done and adds a lot of tension and backing to the fight to come.
Especially given how short it is. It would have cost almost nothing to include.
i guess the movie was already too long so they tried cutting everything that's not 100% necesarry
In the Books however Aragorn doesn't cut off his head he's allowed to leave, that bit was completely out of character for Aragron plus he wouldn't kill an unarmed opponent.
@@SagaciousNihilist perhaps that's why the scene was cut. but i can defend aragorn doing it in the movie
he knew Souron's Mouth was lying and that he was trying demoralize the heroes. so it's better to just shut him up here and there. and there would be no time to regret coming
@@yosefyonin6824 Or it was cut because it was goofy as hell with the guys mannerisms, therefore unfitting, and quite frankly made no sense as it shows that Sauron was aware of a halfling spy in Mordor, yet did nothing to protect the entrance of the vulcano.
My jaw dropped when I saw the extended edition for the first time. Hes the closest thing to Sauron that we get to see because he has more of a personality than the witch king. You can almost get a hint to Saurons personality by watching the Mouth. The Mouth is a real bastard. Antagonistic, sarcastic, and cruel, but undoubtedly intelligent. His accent is also very interesting.
There is a cut scene where Aragorn fights Sauron himself instead of the random ass big troll. They just replaced Sauron in his armor with the troll
@@quinn7427 That would've been stupid, Sauron himself never physically appeared in either the Hobbit or LotR
@@Doommaster677 agreed, probably why they didn't end up putting him in. Or they didn't think that they could give his appearance enough weight, which the cut scene definitely did not
@@Doommaster677 I actually would’ve liked to seem Sauron appear to fight Aragorn, just like he did Isuldur.
He reminds me of Putins mouthpiece, Sergey Lavrov
”I guess that concludes negotiations” And that’s how you do comedic relief. Subtle, not enough to make you laugh, but enough to lighten the mood in a rather dark scene. Best movie trilogy ever.
Joss Whedon could learn a thing or two from Peter Jackson.
Disney fans when Gimli doesn't say "Now that's what I call, mouthing off!" or "I guess Sauron doesn't have a dental plan!"
Not only that, but he sounds so battle hardened and dignified delivering that line.
nah, gimli should've been twerking.
@@Spunchbop766Thank God someone never implemented the cringeworthy MCU dialogue.
At 1:34, you can hear faint whispers on the air, after which the Mouth immediately speaks. It continues in the background throughout much of the scene. I never noticed it before, but I'm guessing it's supposed to be Sauron communicating with his servant and telling him what to say.
Holy shit your right.
Good ear I never heard that before
That's awesome, good pickup.. it continues on after that basically confirming that Sauron's communicating through a 'mouthpiece'
Good ear dude
That's cool I would have never noticed
The first time I saw this I didn't know what he meant by "treat with me", so I liked to imagine that he meant he was looking for someone to share some treats with. Like, they would bring out a table and chairs, and enjoy some cake and cookies together.
That’s not what it means. Your wrong.
Oh , my god , that is hilarious !😂
I love hearing about stuff like this.
(I assume you were a kid. Not that it matters, only in the fact that I absolutely love discovering things when I become an adult that went over my head as a kid. Or even misheard. A great example is the blues brothers. But it wasn't until I saw the movie as an adult, about 30 yrs old, when I finally got what was meant by "One prophylactic. unopened. And then "one soiled".
For a long time I just assumed whatever it was got some dirt on it and they never washed it off)
@@spodergibbs5088 that's kind of his point. Really. c'mon man, you can't be THAT desperate for a dopamine fix
I assume it comes from the word "treaty". Sauron sent a messenger to listen to the demands Men were giving.
Gandalf, instead, says they aren't here for negotiations, but rather unconditional surrender - they must leave the occupied lands, go back to Mordor and disband, or they will all be destroyed.
Beautiful smile
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E4kre - I know, right? Isn't he just _adorable?_ xD
it really is beautiful in its own kind of way. Some people are just scared of different. But this guy was clearly his own man, and he wasn't ashamed to show that smile to the world. Truly inspiring
I'm just trying to imagine what his shit must be like, if his mouth is like that.
Aaaaahhhhhh...
Jrag1000 - If by shit you meant his junk, then EW!
Fuck it, I didn't need sleep before a long flight anyway. -.-
"I guess that concludes negotiations."
That still only counts as one!
A stupid scene that wasn't in the book. As he mention in the book when he is afraid of Aragorn, He is a emissary and ambassador for Sauron, and hence must not be touched, which Aragorn accept and he is allowed to return to Mordor.
KAKYOIN-KUN
Negotiations were short.
Fuck him. The Mouth of Sauron was an asshole and he wasn’t out there for any real negotiations. He was abusing his power as an emissary to taunt, insult, and demoralize our protagonists.
Gandalf: What did you do?!
Aragorn: I went for the head.
Aragorn: I took just a little off the top!
Gandalf: You should've gone for the bawls
Gandalf : You should have gone for teeths
Mouth of Sauron: I use Swords as toothpick after I eat!
(Laughter in background).
Such a treacherous villain. Really gets into their heads. Gandalf had already felt guilty for sending Frodo and Sam to almost certain death and Sauron and then this villain really capitalize on that guilt. One of the only scenes I can remember where Gandalf seems defeated and is tearing up. “How such a small creature can endure so much pain. And he did Gandalf, he did…” And then Aragorn steps up to fulfill the leadership role Gandalf had held “I do not believe it. I can not!” It’s a compelling scene.
@JN-so6wt that's not an emissary, that's a war criminal
"Frodo..."
"Hahhh."
"FRODO!"
"HAAAAHHHHHHH."
Fatty Franz this boy is having a mouthgasm xD
"SILENCE!"
😂😂
This guy is turned on by a suffering of other people.
wesi karaten no!
"We do not come to treat with Sauron, faithless and accursed" always loved that line.
After when Gandalf said "accursed", the Mouth growled with his teeth shown.
M I like how the mouth got angry when Gandalf insulted his master
@Kaian凯安 "I have a token I was bidden to show thee."
If you have a friend who needs incentive to quit smoking, show them this video.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Dude ill never quit smoking if it makes me have such a lovely smile like that
Chewing is more like it
Just finished my first week, really happy. I certainly don't want to end up like the mouth!
@@alexstorr5511 how's it going?
Some fun facts about the Mouth of Sauron; the decision to make him look like this was made for the movie. In the books, he's just a mook in a full faced helmet but they changed it to imply that Sauron is so evil that merely speaking his will distorts the speaker's appearance. His mouth was supposed to appear sideways instead of cracked at first but that was scrapped when Jackson decided it would look a little bit too silly. His mouth was made digitally larger to give him a very uncanny valley appearance and it was even planned to have his helmet hooked into his mouth so he was always smiling unsettling. It was scrapped whilst in the early design stages because it made it impossible for Bruce Spence to actually move his mouth but Jackson liked the whole "high collar behind the cowl" look so that stayed.
This is my favorite deleted scene and the one I wish made it in the movie. “For Frodo” hits so much harder when you’ve seen this. As much as Aragorn says he doesn’t believe it, there is a chance Frodo is dead and there is no hope that they will win. But, if they should die, they will fight until the very end in his honor. Aragon rallying the Fellowship in Frodo’s name is so beautiful.
It's pretty damn great.....
I think he does know frodo hasn't been captured because then sauron would have the ring and there would be no reason to send out the mouth to negotiate at all. He knows it's a bluff.
If Sauron had captured Frodo he would either have taken the Ring and he would have covered Middle Earth with a Second Darkness and destroyed Gondor and driven the Survivor's beyond the Great River, or Sam would have taken the Ring from Frodo before he was Captured and Frodo would have been tortured and the Orcs would be searching Mordor for Sam and the Ring because Gollum had told his torturers that he had possessed the Ring and who had it and where it was, so Sauron would know everything about the plan to destroy the Ring and that was why Frodo was in Mordor...
It's actually in the extended edition of the film.
I am pretty sure they would drag Frodo's body to break their morale if they had killed him.
after watching this many times i kinda felt bad, he was chill and if we got him a dentist, a toothbrush, and some mouth wash he'd probably a be a standup guy with a stunning smile
Just google Bruce Spence.
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@@imactuallyasheep Yep!
jean marlyn he was spitting filth and blood trough teeth
🤣🤣
You can hear Sauron whispering to the Mouth.
This here people, this changes everything and I never would’ve known or heard that if I didn’t pay attention, appreciate this
Omg I can hear it thats cool and great attention to detail
Thanks for this insight
Is that why he jerks and tilts his head so awkwardly?
I must need headphones, giving myself an aneurism with my phone to my ear tryna hear it
The makeup team did an amazing job with this character. Not just with the teeth, but the splitting skin as well. It’s so disgusting but I love it so much
I like how the Mouth of Sauron inadvertently gives away waaaaaaay too much information that allows Aragorn to discern that the plan hasn't failed.
1) He never mentions Sam at all. Just that they caught a halfling with a mithril vest on. The Mouth exclusively only talks about the one hobbit they caught.
2) No mention of the Ring. If the enemy had the Ring, they would've revealed that immediately.
So for not saying anything about Sam and the Ring, Aragorn is able to figure out that Sam at the very least is still alive, and most likely has the Ring. So the plan can still succeed as long as they hold the line. This is also why Gandalf stops Merry and Pippin from talking.
I also think aragorn killed the mouth of sauron cuz he was a black Númenórean and these people who are related to aragorn's people
Yeah, but Aragorn already assumed that the plan could still work, or he wouldn't have come, so that remains unchanged. Literally all the new information does is demoralize them. Sure the plan can still succeed, but they still believe that Frodo was tortured and killed.
no lol, that is not at all what aragorn was thinking. he intentionally says "I do not believe it! I WILL not..." The "will" being the point of the matter, ie: hope, faith. The thing that separates the evil from the good (in traditional neoplatonic-christian morality)
Firstly, they only know about the one hobbit. They never knew about Sam.
Secondly, Sauron thought Pippin was the one who had the ring, hence why Gandalf brought him to the White City to begin with.
They had no idea there were two hobbits, and they had no idea the one they caught had the ring.
The Mouth acted on all the information that was provided.
I agree. If Sauron had them then he would already have the ring and it would have already been game over.
I can't help but admire how the scarred skin around the mouth opens and closes based on his mouth movement.
This guy has such a disgustingly beautiful design!
They left the original makeup but increased the size 200% in special effects. Really genius idea
Cool!! Good eye
A GREAT EYE etched in Flame 🔥....ok I’m done 😔
I love the look of the Mouth of Sauron here, but the scene is so much more epic in the book. Instead of the Dark Lieutenant lying about Frodo being dead, he tries to use Frodo's life as a bargaining chip to get Gandalf to accept Sauron's harsh terms of Gondor's surrender, which would have included the Dark Lieutenant replacing Saruman at a newly rebuild Isengard. Also, instead of murdering the ambassador (he would never do that), Aragorn and the Dark Lieutenant lock eyes for a moment, and that scares the Lieutenant so much he screams out that he is not to be murdered as he is the negotiator.
I agree that it's out of character for him to kill him, but the Dark Lieutenant cowering and riding away doesn't really fit with the open scenery. I can't imagine watching a small figure riding through the open landscape and adding to an epic scene
the whole film is a gross misrepresentation of the books, and loses the kernal of the themes in exchange for pandering to retarded concepts popular in America and Antipodean 'culture'. You'd be quite unaware of what the books are actually about if you'd only settled for the films. But then many folks prefer a Mcdonalds to nutritious food garnred from a well run landscape, because it so much easier and accessible and they are all the worse for it.
@@kc3718 "no fun allowed" - you
@@Mrgramzo96 hes absolutely correct you uncultured swine.
I think most people know books and movies shouldn't be treated as the same thing. IMO, the movies are just a gateway for the books.
The look he gives Gandal after calling him “Old Grey Beard” and the little gasp of excitement before pulling out the mythril is everything to me. MOS was just a large baby lmao
1:34 *Aragon’s reaction always makes me laugh.* The facial expression just seems like something from a comedy.
For real 😂😂😂
He's not impressed by this fool
It just reminds me when he killed Lurtz and was like "oooh fuck.... that was hard"
He's done being a King
I think it was done for a little levity. Campiness is in Peter Jackson’s DNA
I show my kids this scene to use as an example of what happens when you don’t brush your teeth. (They love LOTR)
Remember kids, reciting the Black Speech causes cavities!
😂😂😂😂
"Cool, I get my own horse!"
😂
Rememer kids, if you don't wash your teeth, you get beheaded.
His dentist will earn a fortune
keyword... EARN... XD
NOT ANYMORE XF
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+Mark B You read my mind! I was just thinking that and then I read this comment.
+Mark B "You know... gingivitis is the number one cause of all tooth decay!" -Ace Ventura
I love Aragorn’s look of disgust and disdain upon first seeing the Mouth of Sauron
He deed Gandalf. He deed.
I laughed for the first time in 7 months.
I love how disgustingly polite he is.
2:48 "..............aaHAAAAWWWWWHHHHhhh..."
LMFAO!!!!!
That breath tho
LMFAO that "aaHAAAWWHHhh.." was really unnecessary
3:01 *"AAHAAAAAAAAAWWHHAAH"*
LMFAO HOLY SHIT HAHAH
Fun fact: before the Mouth of Sauron speaks, you can hear very faintly the voice of Sauron whispering to him what to say!
He has about a minute of screen time but he's one of my favorite characters. Not a favorite in the usual sense that you root for them, etc, but in the sense that it's a really interesting character.
His mouth is done perfectly. His teeth almost look metallic from the constant oozing of blood and bile. The way he cannot help but bathe in their misery is great. Like, every little hint of anguish causes a mini-orgasm within him lol
It's great. I kinda wish he was in the theatrical version and had a bit more time on screen.
DannyWilliamH You can watch Bruce Spence as a wizard in Legend of the Seeker.
Like boba fett lol
The thought process behind the make is that the language and words he speaks is so evil it actually effects his skin
He's like the nightmare C3PO alright.
Exactly this is the very thaughts of melkor the first dark lord impregnated into the Third age of middle earth as in the beginning the song was good and harmony transcended but melkor thaught different (evil) and opposite of beauty which is something like this or an orc i guess
Gimli: I guess that concludes the negotiations
Obi-Wan: The negotiations were short
I was hunting for a comment like this lmao
Gimli: You said that on purpose didn't you!? If we weren't in this situation, I'd show you my height does not hinder my prowess in kicking your hind!
Yes.
@@keePiTonE0 General Kenobi
*crowd booing as well as the disapproving look from Qui-Gon*
In the book, Tolkien goes away from the Frodo-Sam-Gollum storyline and doesn't come back to it for a couple of hundred pages until right after this scene. So if you were reading the book, you really wouldn't know at this point whether Frodo was alive or dead and a lot of the tension in this scene depends on that. And Tolkien does this a LOT in the trilogy. When he jumps from one story line to the next, you may have to go back a few days or even a few weeks to pick up where the story left off.
Peter Jackson explained in the commentary that when they wrote the movie's screenplay, they had to re-organize all the timelines into chronological order. So now, when the Mouth of Sauron taunts them, we (the audience) know that Frodo is fine, because we just saw him escape from Shelob's lair about 10 minutes ago. It's still a cool scene but it was an easy scene to remove in editing because there's no danger to Frodo here.
It's more of a repurposing of the focus of the scene. The characters stand in place of the reader. The curiosity or dread that we felt is now transposed onto Gandalf, Aragorn, and crew. All in all I'm glad they filmed this scene.
Book is way better
As a fan of both the books and the movies, I am glad they kept this scene in the movie and it doesn’t matter that it doesn’t hold the same weight as it did in the book. For me the most powerful part of this scene is that they have every reason to loose hope and as far as they know there is none. Frodo is probably dead, Sauron will soon have the ring (if he doesn’t already) anything they do going forward is fraught. Despite all of this they choose to fight anyway. It hits me every time I watch it.
Despite the audience of the movies being fully aware that Frodo is still alive, this scene still manages to stir engaging frustration within the viewers when they see the antagonist create a misunderstanding to catch the rest of the fellowship off guard. Shows how despicable and manipulative Pure-Evil can be.
Cool
Gandalf: "FAITHLESS AND ACCURSED!"
Mouth of Sauron: "Oh you flatterer~ 😁"
Never understood why this wasn't included in the theatrical version. Without it there is a great deal of context that is not present for this final battle.
What is it that's so important about this scene that it can't be cut off if i may know ?
he is the one who give them the mithrill shirt as so colled proof of frodo and sam's death making the others make their (for frodo ) charge
In the books, the scene with Shelob and Frodo being "killed" took place at the very end of Two Towers. They do not go back to Frodo or Sam until the end of Return of the King, so in books this scene is meant to make you think that Frodo is actually dead and it's a fakeout. Obliviously this doesn't work in the film because the Shelob scene happens parallel to the Battle of Minas Tirith and they constantly go back to focusing on Frodo and Sam throughout the film so you immediately know they aren't dead while in the books, Two Towers ends with Sam taking the ring and you don't find out that Frodo is actually alive until after this scene!
Because the way they set up the scenes in the film, you already know Frodo is alive! So it makes it kind of unneeded. I like the scene but still, since they abridged it like how they did, it doesn't really make since in the context of the films to have it!
Well the scene also serves the purpose of charging that final battle with emotion. The messenger bluffs, and the remaining fellowship thinks their last hope has failed. It makes them all prepared to take one final stand and die. That's how the line, "for Frodo" makes any sense. It's also why it's so awesome to see the tower fall and the tears in Gandalf's eyes. There is a moment where they didn't think they'd live to see this evil vanquished...all because of the Mouth.
“I do not believe it… I will not…” chills. Every. Single. Time.
Even though the fellowship had every reason to believe that Frodo was dead they did not give up hope. Ugh these movies man!!! Nothing tops them.
Except that he only mentioned Frodo and not Sam and nothing about the ring
yep, feel the exact same way
testament to Aragorn’s willpower that Gandalf’s entire job was inspiring hope and even he lost it for a second there
Aragorn was smart to not believe it too. After all, if Sauron really had captured Frodo and retook the ring, he would not bother wasting time with this "negotiation". He also wouldn't have sent the Mouth of Sauron. He would have come out himself, with the ring, and killed Aragorn where he stood. So the fact that Sauron was still acting cautious in this situation was a pretty good indicator that he didn't have the ring yet and I think Aragorn picked up on that.
What 🙄
The way The Mouth of Sauron delivers his lines is perfect.
The guy who played him was also the gyro captain in The Road Warrior aka Mad Max 2
Hmmmmm I always thought it was Jacinda Ardern who had played the role.
Lol it’s terrible and probably why it was not in the cinematic release
Imagine the immense guilt that Gandalf felt in that moment. Even though Frodo isn't really dead the fact that Gandalf thought that he was knowing that he's the reason Frodo went on that perilous journey in the first place.
1:32
Aragorn's expression is priceless
The level of sass in that facial expression
@@yespls6260
The mouth of sauron or arigorn?
XD
“Ahaaaaaa”
Hes like wtf am I seeing
Fun fact: In the books, the Mouth of Sauron survived this encounter after being intimidated into retreat by Gandalf and Aragorn, who forced him to surrender Frodo's mithril shirt instead of him tossing it over to them. He also gave the terms of surrender for the armies of the west, they included the men of Rohan rebuilding Isengard, which he hoped to claim for himself as Sauron's new right hand man after Saruman's fall from grace. His ultimate fate in the books remains unknown but it's hinted at that he was among the more "noble" of Sauron's allies who faced the free peoples in some last-ditch effort battles after the destruction of the Ring, eventually perishing.
He’s like an ancient heretical Numenorian king in the books it’s kind of cool.
This is better tbh
Where is the last part hinted?
@@spookytimescaryvideos4395 why? You cannot kill an ambassador. Out of character for Aragorn to kill an ambassador. Lessens his character.
@@IndianHeathen1982 a black numenorean and someone who willingly served evil is like his main enemy, and considering his face it could be taken as pity, and it looks better and it's a good visual way to show that he didn't believe that frodo failed
The writing on his helmet translates to Lammen Gorthaur". It appears to be a translation which means "Voice of the Abhorred Dead". Which pretty literally means Mouth of Sauron. During the Second Age Sauron was called "Gorthaur". Another thing to add, the Mouth of Sauron had a defiled mouth due to him being a servant of Sauron and all the evil that would stem from his mouth. It corrupted his body. Kind of like how the One Ring corrupted Smeagol into Gollum
Jerry Salazar nerd
you sir deserve a medal
the more you know :)
Chaperone Jones if your watching this video your a nerd so you can't be talking
Stev Mcgin *star sprinkling effect*
I like that just about everything The Mouth of Sauron says is a type of vocal sin.
Sarcasm: “My master, Sauron the Great, bids thee welcome.”
Belittling: “Is there any in this rout with authority to treat with me?”
Mockery: “Aha, old Greybeard.”
Lies: “Know that he suffered greatly at the hands of his host.”
Torment: “Who would’ve thought one so small could endure so much pain.”
He deed, Gandalf, he deed.
Mouth of Sauron: "It takes more to make a king than a broken Elvish blade."
Aragorn: "What about committing a war crime?"
Killing a diplomat... What a noble king. Especially considering that losing your honor in this place is how you become a soldier of a dead men army.
@@parodiadisimo Because he is a messenger, not a soldier.
@@guilhermetorresj But he is evil.
@@parodiadisimo You don't kill negotiators, especially if you are a king. It's one of the most dishonorable things you could do.
@@londomollari1082 You cant negotiate with primordial evil either. A total war of genocidal extermination is Aragorn's ultimate goal so why should he indulge diolomatic conventions?
and he deed, he deeed
indeed
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Jed Curlin and he did gandalf he did
Jed Curlin Lmao
and now he's deed
Honestly one of the coolest characters and he only has a few minutes of screen time
And only in the edited version
@@codysather8910 yeah
I think his limited screen time makes him that much more memorable.
Yeah what an awesome design. His helmet kind of looks like a knights helmet without mouth protection and a kings crown with horns combined together.
And everyone forgets Melkor. Yes, I know, he wasn't there, but he still is one of the most powerful characters. The whole movie wouldn't exist without him, he made Sauron that way
The heavy breathe/gasp when he remembers to show gandalf the mithril top ia one of my favorite little touches.
I love how after he first speaks and nobody answers, he almost looks taken aback like he didn’t expect silence 😆
Maybe he expected them to be nervous and mutter about since he doesn't look "normal" and that he isn't knowned for doing polite greetings. Or expected something more since he appears to be blind as a bat
they are in shock. Aragorn is seeing one of his ancestors, Gandalf is seeing a black Numenorian for the first time in a long time, Legolas would of heard of about the fall of Numenor, same as Gimli.
@@jamesblyth4966 Ancestor? I haven't done much research but can you explain why the Mouth is an ancestor?
@@mister_silent6 Aragorn is a descendant of Númenor, hence his long life span compared to the men of the west. The Mouth of Sauron was also Númenórean, except he was a black Númenórean.
Sauron (then called Mairon) was captured by men on the island of Númenor, but Sauron was so charming and charismatic and intelligent that he went from being a captor to giving the king council and in result was freed, (hence his name Sauron the Deceiver) he went on to corrupt the people that dwelled there into worshiping Morgoth (Saurons master) convincing them to sail to the Undying Lands (Heaven) which made Eru Iluvatar (God) sink the whole island but the people who didn't follow Sauron or join his Morgoth worshiping cult were spared and took refuge in Gondor.
The Mouth of Sauron would of been one of the people who tried to sail to the Undying Lands but some how survived. Thus making him an ancestor of Aragorn.
Hope this helped.
@@jamesblyth4966 Thanks
I've just realized that when his teeth are bared, the lines around his lips make his mouth look like the eye of Sauron
I didn't notice this.
@Morgan Sapp I heard that whispering.
I love how you can hear Sauron talking to him at 1:57, remembering him to show the mithril.
Wow, good ear!
Holy crap 💩 that’s amazing. Lord of the rings is amazing. Me and my family recently read the books and movies. Tolkien was amazing
@@andrewharris9302 would you say the movies were better than the books?
@@mochitheceltiberian4007 each have their own feel to them. You can’t compare the two.
Great catch
I love how the scene just goes straight to the mouth. It shocks you.
I love this scene because it's when we get a glimpse into how cruel Sauron really is. It's like he just wants to break their spirits more than he wants to gain any strategic advantage in this fight.
I think Psychological Warfare is Sauron's best Strategy.
Breaking the enemy's morale is actually a huge strategic advantage.
In the books this meeting was a lot more civilized.
Breaking the spirit of your enemy IS the holy grail of winning battles/wars.
Sauron's greatest strength was knowing the weaknesses of his enemies, and using it against them. He was also manipulative and crafty to no end, and extremely sadistic.
1:32 Me smiling to a hot chick in a bar 1:34 Hot chick reaction
@Muffin Killer Hey I just noticed your name is Muffin Killer....Uh Oh my name and it's a real nickname is Muffin!!!
@Muffin Killer except ur name says u finna kill him
Aragorn is a hot chick
@@jojoh265 wtf is “finna“
1:35
Her friend.
1:33 I love how Aragorn looks at him
Me too!
He looks so sassy and disgusted lol
ED: Dude, you need a Tic Tac.
He's like "You don't say?"
Everyone's talking about the excellent costume design, and it deserves all the praise, but I also wanna commend Bruce Spence on his incredible performance. Not many actors could express so much with only their jaw.
1:55 I love how Gandolf has such a reputation with everyone he meets lol
The Grey, The White, Olórin, Mithrandir, Incánus, Tharkûn, The White Rider, Greyhame, Stormcrow, Old Grey Beard, Big Grey Beard, The White Pilgrim, Láthspell. When you are alive for a couple of thousand years, you gather a few names lol.
That smile tho..
Ugliest Son of bitch I've ever seen, expect maybe Joker's smile!!😑
Every person with them artificial golden teeth looks like him, lol
so that's where flava flav got his teeth from
AHHH ESSSSKETITTT
That beautiful smile.......
1:59
That sarcastic gasp he does, it gets me every time 😄
Sauron is such a caring person, appointing a blind man to such a high rank. Truly the most compassionate leader in Middle-Earth.
Weird flex but okay 😂