I think you are right. I think what happened is the government jumped on switching to all EV cars too fast and if they now come out and say the barriers are dangerous it'll show that they made a mistake to switch.
What about BESS? How is it possible to permit a BESS near residences without having a adequate water source on site or nearby? Water is suppose to be the best medium for cooling a BESS fire, but no water source?
@@boblandwehr8222 It is not in the governments' best interest. Otherwise they admit that these are toxic and lethal. It is plain ignorance but eventually it will be so common they will have no choice but to address it. I can't see long term sustainability in producing these junk.
Well yeah, it was a new technology 40 years ago. You r cell phone contains lithium ion batteries, by the way. If you're concerned, stop using cellular telephones right now
Need a special endorsement on the CDL for hauling lumber or logs (pulp log truckers are the rowdiest cowboys - they like to set speed records in the traffic circles - paid by the load.)
It is not the shipper. It is the government. I have a Class A CDL with HAZMAT. I just learned something new. I knew I had to placard my trailer if I am hauling over 1000 pounds of lead acid batteries. But I don't have to placard the trailer when hauling Lithium Ion batteries . That is crazier then Hell. They designate lithium as a Class 9 (Miscellaneous Hazardous Materials) instead of 4.1 (Flammable Solids). Class 9 does not have to be placard for domestic transportation. Somebody has to be on the take for this. If I have any amount of explosives in my trailer, I must placard the trailer. Lithium certainly does explode. I did not know that they are hiding lithium as a Class 9. I can not see any way this is legal.
@jimgraham9450 I carry a HAZMAT endorsement as well, and you are spot on. Sadly, like the KAREN who posted after you, the trucker will get blamed. No one protects us, regardless of the situation. Especially those who push the EV agenda (Government).
@@kingloc6042 You clearly don't have a clue. If they hadn't crashed, there would not have been an issue, regardless of regulations. Duh.... That Complete Dummy License tho...🤣🤣
I have been watching for a while now. And I will still be watching years from now when we're saying, "He's been pushing for safety regulations for years!"
Had a conversation with two city inspector yesterday about inside parking & a few lithe problems. One of the most progressive towns in California. They don't want to have to acknowledge the problem, cause of the BIG "GREEN" PUSH. Problem with "Green" is... just looks like... acts like... a GIANT PIECE OF 🎉💩
@@ric12-o2ksure but if that truck would have been full of car parts or even regular car batteries it wouldn't have closed the road for 24 hours. Imagine that happening in the middle of of Los Angeles freeway during rush hour.
When you have a small container of used household batteries we are told to put tape on the ends of the batteries to prevent fires. Then they put tons of new and used batteries in vehicles on the roads.
I-95 runs along the East Coast from Key West thru Maine to Canada. US 95 runs thru the West from Mexicali in Arizona thru Idaho to Canada. You sometimes said "I-95".
There was the same situation in LA about 3 weeks ago. They shut down the 5 lane freeway for 3 days. On the first day, after the top of the container blew out. Then it caught fire, they let it sit for another day to try and get it to burn itself out. Then the la fire tow trucks came out to remove the trailer off the container. Then they had a fire plane fly over and drop water on it to speed up the burning process. Then they let it sit until night. And they used a 75 ton rotator truck to drag it off the freeway and into a vacant parking lot to finish burning.
He showed the video from the incident you just described, which was all recorded by the towing company who first responded. It was crazy how it blew the doors open on the container, and I waited for the tow truck driver to say where he was when it happened. It wasn't quite clear whether he was next to it or flying a drone, but luckily he later stated how far away he was. What a mess, I drove over that bridge, when I worked on a shut down Navy fuel tank site and was impressed with how much goes on in that area. I live 1-4 hours inland and avoid LA as much as possible.
home owners insurance will go up(garages burning down houses), car insurers will stop covering EV's or spread the cost to non ev's.....they trying to mandate it anyways, democracy indeed
@@supertec2023 Compared to a domestic LPG tank? That has been demonstrated to take out the houses on both sides when it catches fire. Where multiple house in a town have LPG you get a ripple effect where the whole town goes up.
I drive all day in my job and have seen a disturbing trend everywhere, very large burn scars in the roads after a electric car fire. The amount of damage to the road is incredible. They burn through concrete, medal k-rails etc. They need to rethink this whole battery car move. It seems between raping the earth to get the materials to make them to the pollution caused by fire and water run off and disposal of batteries. Where is the savings? But mostly they are dangerous.
That toxic smoke from burning batteries must be so much better for the environment than the CO2 gas cars create that makes trees and plants grow better...
@@user-ln7of9gs4s hazmat materials aren't going to be flying up and down freeways in pkgs of 2,000 lbs in millions of cars... ..that's a huge difference...
you forgot about the CO and NOx, SOx, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, butadiene, acetaldehyde, formaldehyde, arsenic, and lead. and let's not forget the ammonia smell from DEF.
i understand why they dont want external placards unless required. a lot of tunnels and bridges are banned to placard trucks so takes longer to do the same route. i think insurance might be a quicker way to go, if premiums are made higher for these loads.
Placards are required on the outside when hauling over 1000lbs of lithium batteries. The recall batteries come in a crate and are shipped back in the same crate. A 53’ trailer can haul 10 of recalled lithium batteries for a weight of 15000lbs. I used to unload and load them when I worked at a chevy dealership.
The longer I contemplate the lithium battery 'revolution' in electricity storage the more it simply looks like rampant consumerism and 'disposability' taken to another level, with all the additional environmental destruction and pollution it entails, yet in the most monumental irony (or, frankly, scam) imaginable they're being sold as part of a supposed "green", "sustainable" future.
My sister just bought an electric bicycle. I noticed on a website selling the same bike with a different name it states "For safety reason, please do not ride on rainy days, and not soak the battery". So my question is can the bicycle be ridden in the rain? We live in the UK and it rains frequently. Is the danger from electrocution or batteries being damaged and off gassing to failure and exploding? I worry for her safety.
@@allangibson8494 This channel is made by a guy who is an expert in fire safety and management, are you? Practice some objective, critical thought. Jeez man, put aside your confirmation bias, read and listen beyond what you want to see and hear.
Well, here where I live we have some long tunnels. Placarded loads are banned from them. With so many lithium batts getting transported the logistics of avoiding the tunnels are troublesome. But, we have seen what can happen in a tunnel with just an ordinary fire from collision, and it isn't pretty. What these things could do, well..... I am definitely not anti road transport, but maybe these things should be consigned to sealed shipping containers, and sent by rail. This would also create logistical issues, but the public would be safer.
My dad's a truck driver, and he absolutely hates hauling lithium batteries. He doesn't have his hazmat because he doesn't want to haul dangerous loads. But he has to take the loads he gets.
It's more like government don't want any fussing around lithium batteries because they always say "Hey batteries are safe. EVs with batteries are safe and fires are rare event occuring only in very unlikely conditions and environment..." And making regulations means it's not true and lithium batteries should be considered hazardous materials those making government-beloved EV's into a hazardous vehicles (full of hazmat things). And nobody wants to drive a car full of highly regulated hazardous materials
well there's money to be made so like the wisemen say if you want to get to "Root Cause"...? the first thing you must do in your analysis is FOLLOW THE MONEY. yeah do that and 9 times outta 10 you'll find what you're looking for.
“Regulations are written in blood.” It’s gonna take one of these non-descript trailers hauling Lithium ion batteries to blow up in a tunnel to get the regulations we need to KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE. See: “Mont Blanc Tunnel Fire” to get the idea.
in Australia our shopping centers have containers where you can depose your old batteries a number had no tape over the ends to stop fires every week several garbage trucks catch fire every week
I do agree on you about the required specialist training for drivers. But lets also be honest: the training would mainly focus on how fast and how far a driver would have to run after an accident, and what he should shout while running...
So when a gas tanker crashes on the i95 with a trained driver a safety placard it’s ok is it ? $20 million to repair the bridge but it’s all good cause gas is safe ?
@@chrisward5626 Childish argument. Sort of thing you hear at kindergarten.. "but they did it first" Just because there already might be a problem doesn't make an excuse to add more issues. Given the sheer number of "gas" tankers compered to out of use battery transports, the numbers are significantly worse. Major reason is the extra legislation applied to "gas" transport. Why not legislate safety now, instead of waiting? Why not apply the lessons learned from other dangerous goods transport now? (edited cos writing words is hard sometimes)
I was driving down the highway a month or so ago and came on what must have been the aftermath of an EV that was on fire on the highway. Everything was gone so I can't be for sure but it looked a lot like this, scorched earth. Never seen anything like it, I can't imagine an EV on fire in your house.
Guess again. Diesel fires are just as bad and gasoline fires are far worse. Ammonium Nitrate tanker fires are best handled by a bulldozer filling the 30 yard diameter crater the next day.
@@allangibson8494 nope does not work like that the metal fram and body do not melt on normal cars like lithium car do.. A LITHIUM CAR WILL MELT DOWN INTO A PILE OF SLAG.. TELL ME U HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE PLEASE......DIESEL WILL NOT BURN UNLESS SUPER HEATED AND UNDER PRESSURE....DEISEL OR GASS DOES NOT EXPLODE INTO 7000 DEGREE MELT DOWNS ONCE EXPOSED TO AIR.. YOU HAVE NOO CLUE W HAT U ARE EVEN SAYING....
The regulations will be created/changed only when person/people are VIP enough. How many times have witnessed this kind of scenario happened trough more then a hundred years?
I wonder how much mining it took to get the diesel that powered those semi's. Yes getting oil out of the ground is mining, and actually constitutes the largest bulk of mining in the world. And unlike lithium, which can be reused indefinitely, oil is a one and done deal. Thank about it.
@Tom-dt4ic Ok, I thanked about it. My diesel pickup is 30 years old, and will run on almost anything that burns. Americans love French fries. ...I'll never run out of fuel. :3
and people preach that EV's powered by lithium batteries are the way to go and are the environmental solution for vehicles. They conveniently ignore the cost of mining, transportation, refining, manufacturing, installation, vehicle manufacturer rip-offs (a/hole musk), recharging (how was this power generated i.e: coal, gas, nuclear), end of use recycling (of the batteries and the vehicle itself, Note: these vehicles don't seem to have a long operational life) Also lets not forget some of the reports coming from the hurricane effected areas where lithium battery powered vehicles are self igniting when they get immersed in sea water ... its all a big scam
Old Completely DEAD Li0 are still VERY flammable, Li0 batteries that are burnt black are still flamable, li0 batteries that are NEW and never charged are still flamable.
The dangers of lithium batteries will have to take many lives before anyone understands, it is another case of regulations and safety protocols lagging behind regulations!
On my way home nearly forty years ago a petrol tanker was involved in a crash and a massive fire ensued, 13 people died luckily I was a little way behind and not directly involved. Transport has always had risks, lithium batteries are new but the risks are not.
@@robertgreen9614Gasoline is FAR more dangerous than lithium batteries. We have the body count to prove it. EV’s are proven to be safer than ICEV’s (LPG vehicles are worst, followed by Gasoline, followed by Diesel with EV’s a very distant last).
@@allangibson8494 You are a bit deluded aren't you? A properly installed LPG system is far safer than petrol or diesel. If you can't get that little fact right what else do you have wrong? I guess you'll quote the 2019 vehicle fire study from the US for your proof? Why not, every other pro EV "expert" does.🤦♂️ Just ignore Tesla's own fire event data, or the Greater London Fire Department data, the Chinese government fire data, or the South Korean vehicle fire data. Pretty well ignore every statistic that doesn't fit your confirmation bias if you like. It doesn't change the truth. BTW out of over 70,000 registered LPG vehicles in the UK in 2022, there was 1, yes one, LPG fire. Even the crappy US statistics that pro EV muppets like you love to quote, put EV fires at 23 per 100,000, or in other words, orders of magnitude worse than LPG.
@@gregorymalchuk272 CNG causes spectacular explosions when tanks rupture - however the tanks take a lot of rupturing, jet fires are more common with tanks emulating rockets when the valves get knocked off. LNG has lighter tanks and a far more spectacular failure mode - water freezes (like liquid nitrogen) and then then the LNG boils into a vapor cloud that can then potentially ignite (think fuel air bomb). 20,000 tonnes on a ship emulates a Hiroshima size nuclear explosion with similar numbers of casualties. Thats why the ships always have multiple tugs when near ports - redundancy.
@@jamesgizasson City or county should have hazardous waste disposal as well. Retail stores may have recycle bins for batteries and I think home depot or lowes may have the same.
Let alone the pollution runoff while they spray water all over it for hours on end. It won't take long for them to discover lithium in our water tables. How do you clean that up?
Well, lithium, when taken orally, relaxes the psyche. So we would not worry about the poisonous effects, or the government. Heey, I might have hit on something...
It's kind of funny how some people in the comments think we can not use lithium batteries when so many things we use in daily life are using lithium batteries.
What many fail to realise it is the un-predictability of Lithium Ion batteries which are a chemical battery. They are live 24/7 and may combust when we least expect it. They burn ferociously and fire development and spread is rapid and the temperature around 2200 degres C some three times that of petrol/diesel fire which is a massive problem especially underground. This also compromises structures such as reinforced concrete will fail at around 8-900 degrees C. It is therefore no surprise that some ferry companies refuse to carry Lithium Ion powered vehicles and that they are banned in some European car parks. There have never been so many car park fires worldwide in recent years. Battery storage is also going up as are manufacturing plants and re-cycling. The worrying thing is that with the application in motor vehicles many are barely off the production line whilst at least in petrol/diesel cars in my experience tend to be as lot older an estimate from experience at least 15 years old(Arson excepted) from 30 years in the fire service in London. I would like to know the average age of an EV vehicle fire if anyone knows?. I would guess 2-3 years!! There is also an insurance company now that will not insure EV's. I think others may follow.
Gonna have to start hauling huge tankers of salt water around for these lithium related fires. The water acts to cool the thermal runaway and the saltwater discharges the electrical energy stored in the cells.
There are also no regulations regarding where EVs are allowed to park as well as charge. Picture this if you will, a few dozen EVs given preferential parking in an underground parking garage right next to the elevators along with charging stations. Then, one of the batteries goes into thermal runaway. I don't think I need to describe the rest of what happens. And yes, this already happened in South Korea. Luckily, nobody was in the underground parking garage when it happened, but dozens were injured from the smoke and the entire high-rise apartment building above it had to be evacuated until the fire burned itself out. The sprinklers did nothing, and the confined space of the underground parking garage meant that the fire couldn't be effectively fought and dozens if not hundreds of other cars were consumed by the fire too.
I drive a trash truck .I have seen on RUclips trash trucks burning after a battery 🔋 catch fire will there regulations on the proper way of disposal of lithium battery 🔋?
If the drum with the batteries was filled with water, would that help or hurt? I know nothing about these types of batteries. If they do catch fire, how can the be extinguished? Thank you.
I believe the best way to transport these types of batteries is on a railroad car that has a similar transportation system like they transport nuclear waste. You have a steel double or triple wall container as they do when they transport nuclear waste and it is made so sturdy that it can take one incredible crash and a massive fire. You get them off of the direct Highway and that will stop a lot of these road closures and the danger to the public even though the railroads do travel beside highways and over highways at least if we put them in a certified crash container that will protect them from accidents then I believe that will be a better option even though fires can still be started by the batteries but that will require them to be placed in a fireproof bag like is available for LiPO batteries that are used by RC cars Etc. Some of what I say may be Overkill and of course it can be adjusted to what is absolutely necessary not just my opinion but I think if they are put in strong containers and if these batteries do not create their own oxygen to burn then the container could be evacuated of oxygen but I'm not sure if I remember correctly if they produce their own oxygen or not. If they don't produce their own oxygen removing the oxygen want prevent them from burning but if they do produce their own oxygen I think fireproof bags for each battery would be a good option but getting them off the main highway is what I see as most important. It would reduce the amount of Highway incidences that firefighters have to attend to and as a retired Paramedic/Firefighter that I am I have had to spend countless hours sitting on fires that have either been extinguished but that could start back up or on fires that take a long time to extinguish. I have been retired for many years but today firefighters are facing many more dangerous than what I had to. So to break it down take them off the highway and let the railroad transport them in crash proof or crash resistant vessels that will limit the dangers to the public and limit road closures. Put the batteries in battery proof bags and not just plastic bags which will help considerably with limiting fires but of course will not stop them.
It would be interesting for them to research and develop such a container to prevent damage, contain the fire, and vent the pressure safety or at least in a control fashion.
Now look up what happens when a train loaded with gasoline goes up. Lac Megantic just was one example. 47 dead. There have been no fatalities from road transport of lithium ion batteries in the United States.
@@allangibson8494 then their probably wouldn't during train transports. There have been many people who have died both the driver of the gasoline trucks as well as other drivers and passengers of automobiles that were involved in traffic accidents with gasoline and other fuel type tankers on the highway. You can't say that since nobody died on the highway as far as you know from lithium battery fires that they certainly would on a train. You can't make that assumption with any certainty.
In my state Victoria (Australia) alternative fuel vehicles require a certain colour and symbol on their number or rego plate. The symbol is metal so even if burnt - the symbol stands out. LPG or Autogas is red diamond. EV or hybrid with batteries is green triangle. These alert professional responders what the vehicle danger is and what strategies or fire suppression is needed. Our local volunteer accident rescue are trained not to cut into certain parts of vehicle with jaws-of-life if it is a battery or hybrid vehicle and to locate and disable if possible the safety plug(s) on battery pack.
Yes, we need to regulate all that transport of lumber. Do you have any idea how hot pomegranate wood burns? I once lit a bundle of pomegranate twigs and got a six foot flame that burned for 20 minutes.
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There's no regulations because nobody wants to admit how dangerous they are anymore.
I think you are right. I think what happened is the government jumped on switching to all EV cars too fast and if they now come out and say the barriers are dangerous it'll show that they made a mistake to switch.
This is not sustainable, there will be a point where the brainless people believing in EV madness will wake up.
Yep!! exactly
What about BESS? How is it possible to permit a BESS near residences without having a adequate water source on site or nearby? Water is suppose to be the best medium for cooling a BESS fire, but no water source?
@@boblandwehr8222 It is not in the governments' best interest. Otherwise they admit that these are toxic and lethal. It is plain ignorance but eventually it will be so common they will have no choice but to address it. I can't see long term sustainability in producing these junk.
In the name of net zero they will not cast shadows on batteries or impose new safety protocols.
😱😱🤬🤬
Net zero life on earth is the plan, insane.
The New Religion has a wicked seat......
Is that your prediction? You must be an industry expert
Not 'net zero'.. NET PROFIT... remember, the 'govt.' is investing personal cash in the batteries.
"What can be, unburdened by what has been" Run!
back in the 80s our navy banned Li batteries on armed ships. they new the potential fire hazard.
Hooda thunkit, right
You are right, Lithium Ion batteries are a known fire risk!!
Well yeah, it was a new technology 40 years ago. You r cell phone contains lithium ion batteries, by the way. If you're concerned, stop using cellular telephones right now
They are layered like a stack of pancakes.. ANY leak makes a bomb out of them.
@@frankmacleod2565 Cell phone batteries do not weigh 21,000 pounds....
Would that be classified as a clean energy fire???
No drama …..
Nothing to see here ….
Absolutely no toxic smoke or run off ….
Very clean for the environment those toxic fumes that cause Cancer. Idiots
It's ashamed to see this load of lumber ruined.
Need a special endorsement on the CDL for hauling lumber or logs (pulp log truckers are the rowdiest cowboys - they like to set speed records in the traffic circles - paid by the load.)
Everybody knows lumber is highly flammable!!!
WE have to stop this lithium Violence , any one buying lithium should have a background check and limited to 10 lbs of lithium
its only going to get worse dude, the lithium fire era is upon us, soon lithium will be a bad word
Today
re: "soon lithium will be a bad word". # BEEZLEBOB
Lithium for the roads will be like spotted owls for the forests.
Lithium has always been a bad word
Pretty much every EV today is transporting a large lithium ion battery.
Safety regulations are written in blood. Or ashes, as is the case with lithium batteries.
Don't blame the trucker. Blame the shipper.
It is not the shipper. It is the government.
I have a Class A CDL with HAZMAT. I just learned something new. I knew I had to placard my trailer if I am hauling over 1000 pounds of lead acid batteries. But I don't have to placard the trailer when hauling Lithium Ion batteries . That is crazier then Hell. They designate lithium as a Class 9 (Miscellaneous Hazardous Materials) instead of 4.1 (Flammable Solids). Class 9 does not have to be placard for domestic transportation. Somebody has to be on the take for this. If I have any amount of explosives in my trailer, I must placard the trailer. Lithium certainly does explode. I did not know that they are hiding lithium as a Class 9. I can not see any way this is legal.
No, the blame belongs on the truckers AS WELL, because they RAN INTO EACH OTHER and CAUSED the accident.
@kx8960 You clearly have no idea how a CDL works... The CAPS button tho... 🤣
@jimgraham9450 I carry a HAZMAT endorsement as well, and you are spot on. Sadly, like the KAREN who posted after you, the trucker will get blamed. No one protects us, regardless of the situation. Especially those who push the EV agenda (Government).
@@kingloc6042 You clearly don't have a clue. If they hadn't crashed, there would not have been an issue, regardless of regulations. Duh.... That Complete Dummy License tho...🤣🤣
This happened on the I-15 between Barstow and Baker. Burned for days, shutdown the entire freeway and blocked travel to and from Vegas on the 15.
I have been watching for a while now. And I will still be watching years from now when we're saying, "He's been pushing for safety regulations for years!"
Unfortunately it will likely be the case. Change like this can take years.
@StacheDTraining yeah, it takes years, but because people like you start working on this early, change comes. Keep up the good work.
@@StacheDTraining **CENTURIES!!**
Had a conversation with two city inspector yesterday about inside parking & a few lithe problems. One of the most progressive towns in California. They don't want to have to acknowledge the problem, cause of the BIG "GREEN" PUSH.
Problem with "Green" is... just looks like... acts like... a GIANT PIECE OF 🎉💩
If this happened in a long tunnel...
I hope governments see this comment!
Like petrol (gas) tankers they shouldn’t be allowed through them.
Replying to @WritesWithCare:
I will finish your sentence FOR you:
"this would be **THE APOCALYPSE**"
Did I finish your sentence right?
On a ferry?
Like that tanker truck that crashed in that long tunnel between Switzerland and Italy years back? Oh yeah..
Class 4 would be the appropriate placard to let first responders know that just water may increase the hazard if a fire is involved.
Definitely Haz-Mat but then every Electric Vehicle is Hazardous.
@@ric12-o2k no...
@@ric12-o2ksure but if that truck would have been full of car parts or even regular car batteries it wouldn't have closed the road for 24 hours. Imagine that happening in the middle of of Los Angeles freeway during rush hour.
An idea. Make all EVs have a Haz Mat placard on back of it.
@@ric12-o2kno, I don’t get in my combustion engine car regularly, worrying it might explode.
now couple that with half assed self driving software, and you have a 6000lb remote controlled bomb. lunacy.
SAFTER TO TRANSPORT TNT THAN LITHIUM ION THATS A SCIENTFIC FACT
You wouldn't know a scientific fact if it bit you in the behind.
Lol
And then you realise two fuel tankers closed two separate interstates in the last two years for a month at a time…
Literally true.
@@allangibson8494 STOP WITH THE LIES , LITHIUM = TICK TOK TICK TOK
Wow, massive lithium ion battery burn every week.
Yep and tons of gas fires too. I take it you don't use cell phones, they also contain lithium ion batteries
Note how many are repeats... Google image search is your friend.
@@frankmacleod2565Lithium batteries that are on fire cause Cancer from the fumes. I never got cancer from burning grass.
@@truckerwayne last time I checked, carbon monoxide will harm you far faster than cancer
Thanks. Retired Union fire sprinkler foreman,30yrs.
When you have a small container of used household batteries we are told to put tape on the ends of the batteries to prevent fires. Then they put tons of new and used batteries in vehicles on the roads.
Just another piece of info on the highway to stopping academic zealots from writing legislation.
I-95 runs along the East Coast from Key West thru Maine to Canada.
US 95 runs thru the West from Mexicali in Arizona thru Idaho to Canada.
You sometimes said "I-95".
And they say oil is bad for the environment.
Anything that burns like that is a hazard. A small fraction of batteries burn, but a large fraction of oil burns.
This happened on north bound hwy 15 California last July. Between Las Vegas and Baker. Closed north bound traffic for more than 24 hours.
There was the same situation in LA about 3 weeks ago. They shut down the 5 lane freeway for 3 days. On the first day, after the top of the container blew out. Then it caught fire, they let it sit for another day to try and get it to burn itself out. Then the la fire tow trucks came out to remove the trailer off the container. Then they had a fire plane fly over and drop water on it to speed up the burning process. Then they let it sit until night. And they used a 75 ton rotator truck to drag it off the freeway and into a vacant parking lot to finish burning.
He showed the video from the incident you just described, which was all recorded by the towing company who first responded. It was crazy how it blew the doors open on the container, and I waited for the tow truck driver to say where he was when it happened. It wasn't quite clear whether he was next to it or flying a drone, but luckily he later stated how far away he was. What a mess, I drove over that bridge, when I worked on a shut down Navy fuel tank site and was impressed with how much goes on in that area. I live 1-4 hours inland and avoid LA as much as possible.
Manufacturers DONT WANT others to know that Li-Ion batteries are being moved! It’s a nightmare waiting to happen!
home owners insurance will go up(garages burning down houses), car insurers will stop covering EV's or spread the cost to non ev's.....they trying to mandate it anyways, democracy indeed
And the sad thing is what happened if you live next to a guy who has a big giant Tesla powerwall that catches on fire?
And you realise that more EV’s have been destroying by house fires than the other way round…
Detached garages will be coming back....
@@supertec2023 Compared to a domestic LPG tank?
That has been demonstrated to take out the houses on both sides when it catches fire. Where multiple house in a town have LPG you get a ripple effect where the whole town goes up.
I drive all day in my job and have seen a disturbing trend everywhere, very large burn scars in the roads after a electric car fire. The amount of damage to the road is incredible. They burn through concrete, medal k-rails etc. They need to rethink this whole battery car move. It seems between raping the earth to get the materials to make them to the pollution caused by fire and water run off and disposal of batteries. Where is the savings? But mostly they are dangerous.
This same event happened in L.A. a few weeks ago! Maybe they need safety drivers following them,also in front.
The I-95 I know runs up the east coast north from Florida to Maine and is 4 lanes, not two.
Very concerning. Thank you, for informing the people.
Strange, the starship Enterprise never had issues with its di-lithium crystals.
Enterprise's Dilithium Crystals were often breaking down, or having some sort of trouble, rendering the warp drive inoperative.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha 😂
That toxic smoke from burning batteries must be so much better for the environment than the CO2 gas cars create that makes trees and plants grow better...
Dude, any fire is toxic. What difference between this and hazmat materials catching fire?
C O NOT CO 2
@@user-ln7of9gs4s hazmat materials aren't going to be flying up and down freeways in pkgs of 2,000 lbs in millions of cars...
..that's a huge difference...
you forgot about the CO and NOx, SOx, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, butadiene, acetaldehyde, formaldehyde, arsenic, and lead. and let's not forget the ammonia smell from DEF.
Manufacturing of lithium batteries uses more carbon credits than every maintained car in the US.
Thank you for asking about the placards!
i understand why they dont want external placards unless required. a lot of tunnels and bridges are banned to placard trucks so takes longer to do the same route. i think insurance might be a quicker way to go, if premiums are made higher for these loads.
Placards are required on the outside when hauling over 1000lbs of lithium batteries. The recall batteries come in a crate and are shipped back in the same crate. A 53’ trailer can haul 10 of recalled lithium batteries for a weight of 15000lbs. I used to unload and load them when I worked at a chevy dealership.
The longer I contemplate the lithium battery 'revolution' in electricity storage the more it simply looks like rampant consumerism and 'disposability' taken to another level, with all the additional environmental destruction and pollution it entails, yet in the most monumental irony (or, frankly, scam) imaginable they're being sold as part of a supposed "green", "sustainable" future.
My sister just bought an electric bicycle. I noticed on a website selling the same bike with a different name it states "For safety reason, please do not ride on rainy days, and not soak the battery". So my question is can the bicycle be ridden in the rain? We live in the UK and it rains frequently. Is the danger from electrocution or batteries being damaged and off gassing to failure and exploding? I worry for her safety.
Agree that mass transport of lithium batteries needs to be classified as a hazmat load.
No loss of life yet? What about the cargo Boeing 747 brought down by battery fires?
That event changed the regulations for air transport. I'm speaking to ground transport.
And then you realise burning tyres have also brought down airliners…
Two freight ships with thousand of cars went down because of EV fires in the past. It's also here on YT.
@@Nellie-H Except they didn’t.
It was false reporting - the fires originated in ICE vehicles on the same ships.
@@allangibson8494 This channel is made by a guy who is an expert in fire safety and management, are you?
Practice some objective, critical thought. Jeez man, put aside your confirmation bias, read and listen beyond what you want to see and hear.
Look at the roadway. That will have to be replaced down to the base. The temperature is so high it ignited the asphalt.
Well, here where I live we have some long tunnels. Placarded loads are banned from them. With so many lithium batts getting transported the logistics of avoiding the tunnels are troublesome. But, we have seen what can happen in a tunnel with just an ordinary fire from collision, and it isn't pretty. What these things could do, well.....
I am definitely not anti road transport, but maybe these things should be consigned to sealed shipping containers, and sent by rail. This would also create logistical issues, but the public would be safer.
My dad's a truck driver, and he absolutely hates hauling lithium batteries. He doesn't have his hazmat because he doesn't want to haul dangerous loads. But he has to take the loads he gets.
They're not dangerous. Potato chips would be more flammable than non-charged lithium batteries.
It's crazy not to regulate Lithium-Ion battery transportation. It seems the government prefers unregulated transportation. Very strange.
It's more like government don't want any fussing around lithium batteries because they always say "Hey batteries are safe. EVs with batteries are safe and fires are rare event occuring only in very unlikely conditions and environment..."
And making regulations means it's not true and lithium batteries should be considered hazardous materials those making government-beloved EV's into a hazardous vehicles (full of hazmat things). And nobody wants to drive a car full of highly regulated hazardous materials
If it suits them, perhaps.
that looks like it could be the aftermath of the OK city bombing
@@teolynx3805 ~ Aah, sounds about right.
well there's money to be made so like the wisemen say if you want to get to "Root Cause"...? the first thing you must do in your analysis is FOLLOW THE MONEY. yeah do that and 9 times outta 10 you'll find what you're looking for.
“Regulations are written in blood.”
It’s gonna take one of these non-descript trailers hauling Lithium ion batteries to blow up in a tunnel to get the regulations we need to KEEP THE PUBLIC SAFE.
See: “Mont Blanc Tunnel Fire” to get the idea.
in Australia our shopping centers have containers where you can depose your old batteries a number had no tape over the ends to stop fires every week several garbage trucks catch fire every week
Excellent report on this incident and telling us the issues faced!
I do agree on you about the required specialist training for drivers. But lets also be honest: the training would mainly focus on how fast and how far a driver would have to run after an accident, and what he should shout while running...
Thank your for providing facts.
Scarier issue are lithiums that are not identified that go into airplanes as undeclared cargo.
How many of these fires do we need before people wake up?
There’s only one way to fix this problem. Stop buying electric cars.
So when a gas tanker crashes on the i95 with a trained driver a safety placard it’s ok is it ? $20 million to repair the bridge but it’s all good cause gas is safe ?
Not in the case you used. The point is pound for pound gas is less of a hazard. @@chrisward5626
@@chrisward5626 Yup. EV's suck ass. Are you all triggered? Want a tissue?
It's not just EV's Lithium based batteries are everywhere, and usage growing
@@chrisward5626 Childish argument. Sort of thing you hear at kindergarten.. "but they did it first"
Just because there already might be a problem doesn't make an excuse to add more issues.
Given the sheer number of "gas" tankers compered to out of use battery transports, the numbers are significantly worse. Major reason is the extra legislation applied to "gas" transport.
Why not legislate safety now, instead of waiting? Why not apply the lessons learned from other dangerous goods transport now?
(edited cos writing words is hard sometimes)
I was driving down the highway a month or so ago and came on what must have been the aftermath of an EV that was on fire on the highway. Everything was gone so I can't be for sure but it looked a lot like this, scorched earth. Never seen anything like it, I can't imagine an EV on fire in your house.
Guess again. Diesel fires are just as bad and gasoline fires are far worse.
Ammonium Nitrate tanker fires are best handled by a bulldozer filling the 30 yard diameter crater the next day.
@@allangibson8494 nope does not work like that the metal fram and body do not melt on normal cars like lithium car do.. A LITHIUM CAR WILL MELT DOWN INTO A PILE OF SLAG.. TELL ME U HAVE NO IDEA WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE PLEASE......DIESEL WILL NOT BURN UNLESS SUPER HEATED AND UNDER PRESSURE....DEISEL OR GASS DOES NOT EXPLODE INTO 7000 DEGREE MELT DOWNS ONCE EXPOSED TO AIR.. YOU HAVE NOO CLUE W HAT U ARE EVEN SAYING....
The regulations will be created/changed only when person/people are VIP enough. How many times have witnessed this kind of scenario happened trough more then a hundred years?
No hazmat on cdl required? Total insanity.
As a well seasoned CMV driver I support your position on this !
US Rep Dina Titus of Nevada has introduced H.R.9588, "The Thermal Runaway Reduction Act" ... after the I-15, 48 hour shutdown.
Unfortunately I feel the bill needs more depth. I'd love to have a conversation with @CongresswomanTitus to discuss in greater detail.
Usually the name is opposite of what the ACTs usually do. This will probably make things worse. An example is the "Inflation reduction Act."
@@samuelkeystoneInflation was reduced - it took time however.
@@allangibson8494How so? Pre-election gas prices don't count. X3
@@jamesgizasson Gas prices were up before the 2022 elections and are lower than 2022 now.
32K pounds of lithium batteries?
I wonder how many tons of ore need to be extracted to come up with that much lithium.
Most of the weight is the stainless steel casings… (lithium is light).
2790000 pounds of ore. If what I found. 90000 pounds of ore per 1000 lbs of lithium.
so, 1,395 tons....
I wonder how much mining it took to get the diesel that powered those semi's. Yes getting oil out of the ground is mining, and actually constitutes the largest bulk of mining in the world. And unlike lithium, which can be reused indefinitely, oil is a one and done deal. Thank about it.
@Tom-dt4ic Ok, I thanked about it. My diesel pickup is 30 years old, and will run on almost anything that burns.
Americans love French fries.
...I'll never run out of fuel. :3
Wondering how much Cobalt went into the environment and into the water table
So you must also care deeply about all the cobalt used in oil refining.
Those darn cows polluting. !!!🙄
😂😂😂😂
And this stuff is what supposedly is gonna "save the planet" 😵💫
Tesla slams into apartment building, catches fire, driver dead, building evacuated.
U2oob: Fremont apartment Tesla
and people preach that EV's powered by lithium batteries are the way to go and are the environmental solution for vehicles. They conveniently ignore the cost of mining, transportation, refining, manufacturing, installation, vehicle manufacturer rip-offs (a/hole musk), recharging (how was this power generated i.e: coal, gas, nuclear), end of use recycling (of the batteries and the vehicle itself, Note: these vehicles don't seem to have a long operational life) Also lets not forget some of the reports coming from the hurricane effected areas where lithium battery powered vehicles are self igniting when they get immersed in sea water ... its all a big scam
Old Completely DEAD Li0 are still VERY flammable, Li0 batteries that are burnt black are still flamable, li0 batteries that are NEW and never charged are still flamable.
The dangers of lithium batteries will have to take many lives before anyone understands, it is another case of regulations and safety protocols lagging behind regulations!
Oh boi, your channel is getting busy with so many lithium related fires
Lithium batteries are quickly becoming a scourge for humanity.
I-95 is not in Nevada
Go green, they said. It's great for the environment, they said...
Not "US Highway 95" nor "i95". It is Route 95. Interstate 95 is an east coast highway.
On my way home nearly forty years ago a petrol tanker was involved in a crash and a massive fire ensued, 13 people died luckily I was a little way behind and not directly involved. Transport has always had risks, lithium batteries are new but the risks are not.
Enter the strawman.
@@robertgreen9614Gasoline is FAR more dangerous than lithium batteries.
We have the body count to prove it.
EV’s are proven to be safer than ICEV’s (LPG vehicles are worst, followed by Gasoline, followed by Diesel with EV’s a very distant last).
@@allangibson8494 You are a bit deluded aren't you? A properly installed LPG system is far safer than petrol or diesel. If you can't get that little fact right what else do you have wrong? I guess you'll quote the 2019 vehicle fire study from the US for your proof? Why not, every other pro EV "expert" does.🤦♂️
Just ignore Tesla's own fire event data, or the Greater London Fire Department data, the Chinese government fire data, or the South Korean vehicle fire data. Pretty well ignore every statistic that doesn't fit your confirmation bias if you like. It doesn't change the truth. BTW out of over 70,000 registered LPG vehicles in the UK in 2022, there was 1, yes one, LPG fire.
Even the crappy US statistics that pro EV muppets like you love to quote, put EV fires at 23 per 100,000, or in other words, orders of magnitude worse than LPG.
@@allangibson8494 Where does CNG fit in?
@@gregorymalchuk272 CNG causes spectacular explosions when tanks rupture - however the tanks take a lot of rupturing, jet fires are more common with tanks emulating rockets when the valves get knocked off.
LNG has lighter tanks and a far more spectacular failure mode - water freezes (like liquid nitrogen) and then then the LNG boils into a vapor cloud that can then potentially ignite (think fuel air bomb). 20,000 tonnes on a ship emulates a Hiroshima size nuclear explosion with similar numbers of casualties. Thats why the ships always have multiple tugs when near ports - redundancy.
And if this happens in a tunnel?
Ive called around and cant find someone who will take my old phone batteries. I dont want to just throw them in the trash.
Your local garbage facility should have a household hazmat collection. :)
@@jamesgizasson City or county should have hazardous waste disposal as well. Retail stores may have recycle bins for batteries and I think home depot or lowes may have the same.
@@jamesgizasson
Thanks. I'll try it.
Let alone the pollution runoff while they spray water all over it for hours on end. It won't take long for them to discover lithium in our water tables. How do you clean that up?
Well, lithium, when taken orally, relaxes the psyche. So we would not worry about the poisonous effects, or the government. Heey, I might have hit on something...
A little stretch of highway will need replaced.
Can they just ban these batteries? Man this is getting out of control
Along with the eye blinding LED lights, household as well as on vehicles.
should be classed as "Flammable solids" which is exactly what thay are
It's kind of funny how some people in the comments think we can not use lithium batteries when so many things we use in daily life are using lithium batteries.
It's not worth it.
John Kerry will make a speech on how this created jobs to make new battery’s
I saw a Toyota Sienna hybrid on fire today, TONS of white smoke, guarantee the pack went off
thanks for sharing
What many fail to realise it is the un-predictability of Lithium Ion batteries which are a chemical battery. They are live 24/7 and may combust when we least expect it. They burn ferociously and fire development and spread is rapid and the temperature around 2200 degres C some three times that of petrol/diesel fire which is a massive problem especially underground. This also compromises structures such as reinforced concrete will fail at around 8-900 degrees C. It is therefore no surprise that some ferry companies refuse to carry Lithium Ion powered vehicles and that they are banned in some European car parks. There have never been so many car park fires worldwide in recent years. Battery storage is also going up as are manufacturing plants and re-cycling. The worrying thing is that with the application in motor vehicles many are barely off the production line whilst at least in petrol/diesel cars in my experience tend to be as lot older an estimate from experience at least 15 years old(Arson excepted) from 30 years in the fire service in London. I would like to know the average age of an EV vehicle fire if anyone knows?. I would guess 2-3 years!! There is also an insurance company now that will not insure EV's. I think others may follow.
Gonna have to start hauling huge tankers of salt water around for these lithium related fires. The water acts to cool the thermal runaway and the saltwater discharges the electrical energy stored in the cells.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I really like this idea lol 😂
WRONG. You clearly aren't a firefighter because if you were, you'd know how impractical and just plain dumb that idea is.
@@ffjsb clearly you didn't pick up on the sarcasm
@@Tamarikankuro Sarcasm??? Some idiots actually believe this kind of stuff...
It’s safe they say. Just ignore the accidents.
No Tesla driver will ever admit anything negative!
Normally new li-ion cell are at a 50% state of charge.
There are also no regulations regarding where EVs are allowed to park as well as charge. Picture this if you will, a few dozen EVs given preferential parking in an underground parking garage right next to the elevators along with charging stations. Then, one of the batteries goes into thermal runaway. I don't think I need to describe the rest of what happens.
And yes, this already happened in South Korea. Luckily, nobody was in the underground parking garage when it happened, but dozens were injured from the smoke and the entire high-rise apartment building above it had to be evacuated until the fire burned itself out. The sprinklers did nothing, and the confined space of the underground parking garage meant that the fire couldn't be effectively fought and dozens if not hundreds of other cars were consumed by the fire too.
Elon Musk made crash test dummies and beta testers out of all his sycophant customers, and free test proving grounds out of our public roads. Genius.
People are putting huge Lithium Ion battery banks in boats. I don't see that working out well.
I drive a trash truck .I have seen on RUclips trash trucks burning after a battery 🔋 catch fire will there regulations on the proper way of disposal of lithium battery 🔋?
It's a major issue right now.
Big problem.
Most of these drivers need help to read what they transport. Having drivers outweighs getting educated drivers.
Especially when we're told there's a national shortage of truck drivers.
The fumes are deadly.
32000lbs of lithium ion batteries? Seriously? Why am I not surprised.
Every battery that burns poisons our air, tremendously.
@@queefmicester1189 and so does every tank full of gasoline…
If the drum with the batteries was filled with water, would that help or hurt? I know nothing about these types of batteries. If they do catch fire, how can the be extinguished? Thank you.
I believe the best way to transport these types of batteries is on a railroad car that has a similar transportation system like they transport nuclear waste. You have a steel double or triple wall container as they do when they transport nuclear waste and it is made so sturdy that it can take one incredible crash and a massive fire. You get them off of the direct Highway and that will stop a lot of these road closures and the danger to the public even though the railroads do travel beside highways and over highways at least if we put them in a certified crash container that will protect them from accidents then I believe that will be a better option even though fires can still be started by the batteries but that will require them to be placed in a fireproof bag like is available for LiPO batteries that are used by RC cars Etc. Some of what I say may be Overkill and of course it can be adjusted to what is absolutely necessary not just my opinion but I think if they are put in strong containers and if these batteries do not create their own oxygen to burn then the container could be evacuated of oxygen but I'm not sure if I remember correctly if they produce their own oxygen or not. If they don't produce their own oxygen removing the oxygen want prevent them from burning but if they do produce their own oxygen I think fireproof bags for each battery would be a good option but getting them off the main highway is what I see as most important. It would reduce the amount of Highway incidences that firefighters have to attend to and as a retired Paramedic/Firefighter that I am I have had to spend countless hours sitting on fires that have either been extinguished but that could start back up or on fires that take a long time to extinguish. I have been retired for many years but today firefighters are facing many more dangerous than what I had to. So to break it down take them off the highway and let the railroad transport them in crash proof or crash resistant vessels that will limit the dangers to the public and limit road closures. Put the batteries in battery proof bags and not just plastic bags which will help considerably with limiting fires but of course will not stop them.
It would be interesting for them to research and develop such a container to prevent damage, contain the fire, and vent the pressure safety or at least in a control fashion.
Now look up what happens when a train loaded with gasoline goes up.
Lac Megantic just was one example. 47 dead.
There have been no fatalities from road transport of lithium ion batteries in the United States.
@@allangibson8494 then their probably wouldn't during train transports. There have been many people who have died both the driver of the gasoline trucks as well as other drivers and passengers of automobiles that were involved in traffic accidents with gasoline and other fuel type tankers on the highway. You can't say that since nobody died on the highway as far as you know from lithium battery fires that they certainly would on a train. You can't make that assumption with any certainty.
You missed several train wrecks in the last 7 yrs.
Is good for the environment according to the Gov 🙄
Why do they continue
We need to stop these lithium batteries
Because gasoline vehicles are FAR more dangerous.
Oh ,no a lithium fire, say it ain’t so , let’s get back to safe flammables !
In my state Victoria (Australia) alternative fuel vehicles require a certain colour and symbol on their number or rego plate. The symbol is metal so even if burnt - the symbol stands out.
LPG or Autogas is red diamond. EV or hybrid with batteries is green triangle.
These alert professional responders what the vehicle danger is and what strategies or fire suppression is needed.
Our local volunteer accident rescue are trained not to cut into certain parts of vehicle with jaws-of-life if it is a battery or hybrid vehicle and to locate and disable if possible the safety plug(s) on battery pack.
The Future is Stupid. ..
Yes, we need to regulate all that transport of lumber. Do you have any idea how hot pomegranate wood burns?
I once lit a bundle of pomegranate twigs and got a six foot flame that burned for 20 minutes.