If its a 200T a day plant there simply might not be enough room to sufficiently separate the batteries. I don't know how anyone can prevent an accident like this. Volume recycling is very much needed as we won't have enough raw material to keep on our use of batteries at current rates of growth in the next 50 years. Even oxygen free atmosphere won't stop the runaway. Maybe if the process was 100% automated, with floodable rooms filled with Novak or mineral oil, and temperature controlled environment down to -20F to prevent spreading... but some events are an eventuality because of the nature of cells and the eventual mechanical separation of these packs. Freezing before disassembly is the only thing that might make it safer, or doing it all under a non flammable/conductive fluid.
NOT BAD DESIGN ,,, JUST LITHIUM THATS WHY EV CARS NEED TO BE BANNED YESTERDAY HIGHLY UNSTABLE CHEMICAL EVERYTHING WAS FINE FOR LAPTOPS , PHONES AND RC CARS , BUT SOME BILLIONAIRE LUNATIC WANTS TO CAUSE ORDER OUT OF CHAOS ITS ONLY GOING TO GET CRAZIER AND WORSE WITH THE FORCED ROLLOUT
@@FSMDog Oil fire *are* unpleasant, but they are mostly CO2 and soot. Not much in the way of heavy metals. I am not sure what your point is. There is no comparison in terms of environmental poison between an oil fire and a Li ion battery fire.
I live about 17 miles north of this place. The whole place was basically a mystery as to what it was going to be during the whole time it was being built. We didn't know a thing about it until THIS happened.
@erocoptics5642 actually running? Less than a year. And my understanding was they were still in phase 1, planning to double the current workforce and be at running at capacity by the end of 2025
Not a coincidence when every other fire recently had same results we just had a two or three week lithium fire here at a recycling plant in Maine u think all this shit is a coincidence?😂 GASOLINE FOREVER
Stop using things that use batteries then. Let me guess, you used a phone to post this comment. That phone uses a lithium ion battery. You're part of the problem.
@Member00101 How much does that telephone battery weigh? The lithium is 2-3 grams. The entire battery is less than 50 grams. Let's compare the phone battery size to EV battery size. Tesla Model S battery: 1,200 pounds Tesla Model Y battery: 1,700 pounds Model S is equivalent to: 10, 800 phone batteries and Model Y more than 15,000 phone batteries. If he/she is part of the problem, it's not a big part.
@@massivebird2628 Have you ever looked inside an EV battery pack? It's just a bunch of smaller batteries connected together. It's no different than having a pile of cell phone batteries. Recycling facilities don't recycle individual batteries, they recycle thousands and thousands at a time. They all have the same risks and drawbacks.
That little bit of smoke is quite insignificant, as far as the epa says so. They will keep this slight problem very quiet, as it goes against their narrative for a greener future.
@@jamesphillips2285, I dont really think that there is such a thing as a safe large lithium battery. It seems as though the risk of thermal run away increases with the increasing battery age.
It is, but there isn't supposed to be lithium metal in lithium ion batteries. Lithium plating is a possibility, especially if the battery wasn't used properly.
I get what you're saying but sometimes it's just because it's not considered news worthy. Our current MSM thrives on drama so unless something catastrophic happens like several people die most news outlets aren't interested. "Building burns down" isn't exciting enough for a lot of them.
@@radisnooker5 Only if they're more of an environmental hazard than the technology they replace. The emissions from a single fire are utterly insignificant compared to the emissions of millions of cars over years. So the question becomes how common these fires are.
@@beeble2003 And what do you need to manufacture EV's and their batteries? You win a point if you answer, OIL! Oil to harvest the minerals. Oil to make the paints and plastics. Oil to make the foam in the seats and the rubber for the tyres. Oil to make the insulation for the wiring. Oil to make the cooling systems. Oil to take the vehicle to market and oil to make the roads on which they run. If you believe that somehow EV's are not reliant on oil, you are desperately intellectually inadequate.
And where did the runoff go? Possibly into the streams where there are millions of dead fish....just an indicator of the other problems this travesty has brought.
They blamed the fire that burnt down a fire station in Germany on lack of smoke detectors, not the ev batteries. Thatvstory disappeared just like this one will.
Unfortunately the German Government has no EVs in its fire service, the original report actually said it was batteries used in other equipment they use that caught fire, which still stands, however, it was allowed to run rampant because of the lack of a fire alarm system.
@@Brusselpicker Not true.. the German Government does have EVs in service.. they may not be fire trucks.. but an EV did burn down that fire house. They believe it started at the charger for one.
If you throw them away and they get damaged, they will runaway and catch fire. This is a recycling plant, that recycles all sorts of lithium batteries. I don’t know what you’re complaining about.
I hope the chemical safety board investigates this. The efforts and tenacity of their investigators is excellent. And for anyone who is not familiar with their work, they post videos here on RUclips. These safety videos are as good as any safety video I've ever seen in my career.
One huge building? Rows of smaller buildings connected with conveyor belts, and outside covered storage with dirt berms. Handling lithium batteries needs to be on the same level as when handling and storing explosives.
"Handling lithium batteries needs to be on the same level as when handling and storing explosives." yup, the Safety Protocols needed are equivalent to that of the Military when handling Munitions (if not exceeding them). therein that tragic basement explosion that killed 2 firefighters in Poland (ref the Captain's upload date: October 15, 2024) proves out EXACTLY what i've been saying for some time that "operationally" Li-ion Battery fires must ultimately be viewed as DETONATIONS. because logic dictates (for better or worse) when brave men are lost, the mourning family members will NOT likely be comforted by "semantics" or "technicalities" since it's already too late. # TIME IS A FACTOR
I have a theory! How about we go back to gasoline powered engines and leave the toxic battery cars alone. No more toxic smoke, and the EPA can go to Hell!!!
I am the idiot kid, I drive an electric car I love it, almost 120.000 miles and it's amazing how it drives. No issue so far it's so cheap compared to fuel. 204 horsepower of fun. I'm 56 years old and I hope the fuel industry does not ban EVs before I die or too old to drive. These accidents in factories are terrible but it's lack of attention
This fire will cause stockpiles of old batteries to accumulate, so now we'll have the problem of warehouses full of these old batteries, and nowhere for them to go.
I can even imagine other less advanced facilities are hitting the pause button on their services. Its going to take a novel approach to deal with the waste batteries. Clearly state of the art water systems aren't enough, and as you said they don't have anywhere that they can store them that would be more ideal then rendering the batteries inert as soon as possible.
DNR is on-site for fish killoff. Foam seen in stream. Down stream from plant approx 2mi. Minor injuries were reported by local news. Residents report headaches, nause and vomiting. EPA told not to wear insignia at sketchy sites so I wonder if they are identified in MO right now. The initial plume and exposures before evac is what needs monitoring, but of course they never get there early enough.
Getting very exasperated with technology that is moving faster than we can learn to deal with it safely. These projects are easily subsidized, but I haven't seen anyone around here offering to train us and buy us the equipment we need to deal with it. But you and other dedicated souls are really motivating me to take some action on the local level. Thanks Brother StacheD.
Thanks for this. Because your videos are unbiased but to the point I think you are helping people understand the pitfalls and the dangers for emergency responders and the public alike. This an ongoing problem and threat but it is what it is.
Just reading the comments: you can see he has been biased. I think he may be trying to reign in his audience a bit by pointing out non-battery causes of explosions.
I work in this town. Drive by this plant 6 times a week. The reason the fire suppression was taken out by the first explosion. Luckily, the wind was blowing north. If it was blowing south like it usually does. The town could have been devastated. I live north of this. So we were getting all the fumes and smoke from it. Air was hazy and lungs hurt. This happened 2 yrs ago by same company in Illinois. Same thing happen.
How about stop using things that use batteries then? Let me guess, you posted this dumb comment from your cell phone that uses a lithium ion battery. Go back to using a landline phone.
@@richardcampbell8685 They all go to the same recycling facilities. Maybe your one phone battery isn't a big deal to you but companies don't recycle individual batteries, they recycle millions and millions of them at a time because that's how many are out there. That's why I said you are PART of the problem. There are fires at landfills all the time from people who think their 1 battery won't do anything, but they do. Just because you don't have an EV, either do I, doesn't mean your batteries are any less of a hassle to recycle than an EV's battery is. If you've ever looked inside an EV's battery pack, you'll notice that it's just a bunch of smaller batteries connected together. So imagine a pile of old cell phone batteries. It's just as bad.
@@jamesphillips2285 And yet hundreds of lithium "rendered inert" batteries just exploded ... probably need to watch before you comment there Muskovite.
@@nerd3d-comThey don’t explode in the traditional sense. More like an express release, like a steam explosion. Although a real fast expansion, not close to the speed of something like dynamite tnt c4 etc
Thanks for your update. Another factor may be a recent influx of batteries from flood damaged cars from the recent hurricanes. They would arrive quickly and the quantity may have required large dense stacks waiting to be processed
@billynomates920 It will 100% be my say so. I own gasoline powered vehicles now and will continue to until the day I die. Nothing you or anyone else can do will make me buy an EV.
@@Johnfisher12345 Are you 70+? Then yeah, maybe you're right. Here, in two months -- assuming we're on track, and I think we are -- you can't buy *NEW* fossiled fueled cars anymore, and EV sales already make up some 98% of the *NEW* car sales. Cars typically last 10-15 years max here, so in that time gas (only) stations and their pumps will have to close down due to not making business. For you too, it's only a matter of when; how are you going to fuel them when there are no gas stations around anymore?
@gottagowork This comment is so full of flagrant lies, it’s not even worth addressing. Wherever you’re getting your information from is outrageously deceitful.
That's one way to dispose of a lot of lithium ion batteries quickly and efficiently. The building, it seems, was a bit unnecessary. Battery fires, the modern alternative to landfill. I wonder what the actuaries are thinking right now.
As someone who lives near this plant (an hour or so away), and someone in the BEV industry, this one really caught my attention. No, I don't own a BEV myself yet, I just get paid to fix them, I'll still rock my diesel. The amount of thermal energy stored inside a BEV pack is insane. Like to the point if we get a pack in a vehicle that is spicy, they will fly in a team from out of state to cut it open in the parking lot to render it safe for transport. Don't get me wrong, BEVs are impressive, they are cheaper to operate yes, the performance per dollar is insane, but don't say they are the end all be all for saving the environment. That is bullshit. They are absolutely the most wasteful form of transportation there is, from production, to end of life. Personally, if you really cared about the environment, diesel hybrids would be where its at. But thanks to VW people got scared of small diesels, and thanks to the EPA, diesels are trash now, and it's very difficult to un-trash them. DPF filters, here, lets catch all the "bad diesel byproducts" in a filter, a filter that gets full over time, but don't worry, we can clean said filter by getting it really hot, by dumping excess diesel fuel into it and burning it up! Soooo.....we control emissions by creating more emissions? Seems smart. But what, there's more. The stuff that leaves the DPF, then goes into the SCR, which gets dirty over time as well, no worries, we can clean that too, we'll just squirt some corrosive liquid in there that smells like cat piss and flush all the junk out the tail pipe. Which....is the exact same place this stuff would have gone anyways with none of that expensive junk in place. Don't get me started on EGR valves. Do you eat your own shit? No? Then your engine shouldn't either. Let's just clog up the intake with junk, so the engine can't work as efficiently. Make sense, cause you know, a less efficient engine, means more emissions. The EPA has it's places. It's place is nowhere near making laws or forcing the auto industry to install bullshit parts on cars that make them worse. Fun fact, every worked on a government owned diesel vehicle? Yep, it doesn't have any of the BS emissions stuff they force on us, because they need the vehicles to be "Reliable". Oh....
re: "BEVs are impressive, they are cheaper to operate yes, the performance per dollar is insane, but don't say they are the end all be all for saving the environment. That is bullshit." bingo, as i've been saying "ad nauseam" the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE triggered by this latest incident in the news (on top of all the previous incidents) will be OVERWHELMING for a great many people, EV fans in particular. unfortunately it takes a lot of maturity, wisdom, and cognitive ability to SEE PARADOX and CONFRONT CONTRADICTION, therein those "baby young to the world" will invariably be "seen" struggling with this... because what this means that they have to ultimately recognize is, that they've BEEN LIED TO by Elon Musk (aw crap) which would then imply (since they were so easily tricked) that they are actually NOT as smart as they've been making themselves out to be to their family, friends, and co-workers. understandably having to finally admit to this will be "unpleasant" but yet it MUST be done.
"Shelter in place". What would be better is if morons would stop building things like this near people, and stop letting other people build near places like this. It was bad enough being about 12 miles from a recycling plant that was on fire in my area, we were down wind and still had to deal with some irritation from the changing air currents.
I'm against them as well but where are you going to put them.. 200 miles from anywhere out in the middle of the desert? Kind of hard to get people to work where no one exist. Better to just ban the damn things!
I think insurance will be one of the several nails in the proverbial EV coffins. With insurance companies banning/charging higher rates EVs from attached garages, underground parking, and premiums for use; I think what we have currently for EVs won't be around for long, especially if a safer battery releases. Either way recycling needs to happen, if everything was true on how state of the art the fire system was, and if everything inside the plant was according to plan, the goal posts certainly moved on what the baseline for safety should be. I said on another post, but we might need to have all these processes done either submerged in chilled fluid, or everything done
I work in insurance. Battery powered cars have the same issues as hydrogen cars… ie: hydrogen gas. Lithium metal in water / moist air reacts to generate hydrogen. It should also be significantly easier to retrofit current gas stations to hydrogen storage and delivery centers. Also doesn’t require more rare earth elements than humanity has access to at the time.
@@davidnelson2204producing sufficient hydrogen to replace petrol would take so much electrical generation capacity it is simply not economically viable. Hydrogen also is corrosive to metal.
We wouldn't need this many plants if it weren't for BESS and EVs. People always mention little batteries, but an EV's is 10,000 times at least as big as my phone's. Acres of BESS is just dumv, let alone a bunch of processing facilities. Make it stop 😢
The EPA sucks for what they are doing to modern Diesel engines. DEF, DPF, EGR. None of which is required on government or military vehicles. About the lithium recycling plant catching on fire and exploding. Want to see my surprised face? 😐
The eV battery operated car people will be making new reefs for marine wildlife ! How wonderful ! They're saving the planet ! They should be patting themselves on the back...
Besides that those recycling plant managers that does not know shit about fire hazards from lithium batteries, What is more baffling to me is that this channel have so few people watching it. People MUST watch this channel before buying any EV or even doing it before use any lithium battery.
A major problem is that this fire spewed out tons, yes tons, of heavy metal particulates into that community. Air monitoring does NOT type or quantify those and other chemicals released in this fire.
Mainly because heavy metals only persist in the air for a very short period if at all. 1) The fires got to get hot enough to actually vapourise those metals (too high for most metals/fires) 2) If they do get in the hot updraft of smoke as soon as they cool a little they precipitate back out and fall to earth. Soil/water testing is how they will test for heavy metal contamination afterwards.
@deezelfairy People will look back on this ignorance the same way the downwinders did in the decades following open air nuclear testing. It will just take tens of thousands of people getting cancer before anyone will listen.
Today is the fourth day after the fire, and this is only the second mention I've seen since. I just don't think people are mentally prepared for the hazards inherent in the technology they take for granted. This isn't to knock immersion products e.g. cool tubs, but I had an instructor just last week who was of the opinion that immersion would extinguish a standard road flare - the simple, ancient, self-oxygenating road flare.
Four days - maybe the general media has no STEM or Industrial Experts. But wait this video could have had a better title. Say something with "state of the art recycler" or "specialty battery recycler".
Could the lack of media have anything to do with the upcoming election? One side has been the push to produce these things faster than containment and reprocessing could be set up. I have started seeing some haz mat placards recently, but those have been a long time coming.
Y'all may want to learn that EV's go way back, well before "Brandon". BTW, you want real disaster? Then hope your guy gets into office again, that'll make this battery plant fire look like a mouse fahrt.
@@davidg3944 Yes, but Biden did make a concerted effort to go down in history as the President to electrify America. And he did it after the fire risk was established science. And he would say there was no mandate when was there was a defacto mandate in new regulations focused on tailpipe emissions. Regulations that ignore the kind of fire reported in this video. If Trump wins, his new bromance with Musk will be exploited by both, making this situation worse. This all looks to get worse before it gets better. p.s. The term ‘Brandon’ is the type of term that an eight-year-old boy uses when they don’t know the words that they want to use, but they know they’re just angry and they want to curse.
Once upon a time, Chief Dunn and others wrote books about having firefighters inside a building collapse zone. I foresee a new book on stand-off zones for battery recovery buildings. Hearing the evacuation signal makes me believe (based only on the video) that they were trying to get the firefighters further back from the building. If an explosion can blow something through the roof and 20-ft into the air, how far can debris fly toward firefighters outside?
Note that after this event occurred, there immediately was a large fish kill in a river nearby that could have been caused by the runoff of either the foam that was used or the water or both for the fire suppression. Analysis of the fish is ongoing by the Missouri Conservation department.
It's time we admit that lithium-ion batteries are too much of a risk and are not "green" in the least. Cease the manufacture of these batteries and let the folly of EVs go by the wayside.
So I guess you don't own a recent cordless power tool? Or a rechargeable flashlight? As I said in another comment, I'm no fan of EVs. I grew up in the late 60s with Detroit V8 muscle cars, and I still prefer them, but I think it is a mistake to think that lithium ion batteries = EVs and nothing else.
@@Acceleronics Unfortunately, most people don't realize the potential dangers in the items that you mentioned, especially kids. We need next gen batteries to minimize the hazards in these smaller Lithium batteries. And before the government pushes EVs on the unsuspecting public, we need a lot more R&D. Probably 2 or 3 generations beyond the current technology before EVs are safe enough for mass adoption.
@@Acceleronics that’s the mentality they want u to think the ev cars are a different type of lithium it’s not as dangerous I have a lithium flashlight that’s been burnt broke ran over melted from weld arc it’s held together with a rubber band still works it is look it up it infos out there it’s two different kinds of battery’s
@Acceleronics How many warehouse fires have been caused by a Makita drill battery exploding? Or homes being burned down because a Ryobi battery pack blew up? How many newsworthy fires have been caused by them? A 2 amp hour drill battery does not have anything close to the energy and destructive potential as an electric vehicle battery does. In the last five years I’ve disposed of exactly two such batteries. Multiply that out by the population, and that’s a much more reasonable quantity of batteries to properly dispose of and recycle. Not difficult to work out the logistics at that scale. But huge numbers of EV batteries? Well, just watch the video.
I know this is "off color" for a channel like this, but this is why lithium batteries should be fully discharged before any kind of disposal or recycling. The stored energy of the charge is what creates an ignition hazard.
Serious question, I have around 6 old cellphones that I want to keep. What is the best way to store them? And where? I have 2 outside unattached sheds plus a shop that is attached to the house. And what is a good battery level to keep them at? Thanks 👍
Have the batteries removed.. all batteries will eventually leak as they age. If they don't leak they will swell and damage the internals as it expands.
I agree with you about the foam. A lithium battery will continue to burn without air, because the battery itself contains everything it needs. What works to stop a lithium battery fire is lots and lots of cooling, to bring the material under its combustion point. Water does this very well, especially in large quantities. Foam, on the other hand, is an insulator. My instinct is that the foam probably made the problem worse by reducing the ability of the water to cool the burning material down. Another example of this particular problem are coal seam fires. They can burn, underground, for decades, because the coal seam itself has all of the necessary components for fire in its composition. It doesn't need access to atmospheric oxygen to burn.
Water will ignite lithium, the moisture in the air alone can light it off, there is almost no way to extinguish the fire once started. These things are garbage for the environment, pit mined in giant holes, by slave labor. Then there is this, proof they are more dangerous and damaging than simply using OIL.
How does a "state of the art" facility screw up this bad. Can someone please explain to me again how much better for the environment these batteries are?
Q: How does a "state of the art" facility screw up this bad(?) A: EGO it's the oldest answer known to man. like Elon Musk, the people who actually "posture" and present themselves as being SMART and INFORMED are actually NOT any of these things. no, just talk to anyone with a basic understanding of Chemistry (never mind a Lab Chemist or a Chemical Engineer with an "advanced" understanding) and they'll quickly explain how these people don't know what the hell they're doing. however conspicuously take notice that these "subject matter experts" are RARELY (if ever) sought out or interviewed for THEIR opinion...? but yet these people DO exist.
Does a large scale battery fire like this require more or less environmental remediation post fire then a large scale fire at a petroleum facility like a tank farm or refinery?
Always excellent factual & dispassionate reporting from Stache on this unfortunate proliferation of EV battery fires. What is particularly concerning to me is that similar, smaller, batteries are used in domestic situations for storage of solar generated electricity - and indeed some DIY enthusiasts have repurposed ex-EV batteries to support their home or workshop solar panel systems. Perhaps we need tighter regulation for handling & installing/dismantling EV batteries to help prevent such EV fire events?
The unpredictable nature of these batteries. I was born and raised in Las Vegas. I witnessed the explosion of PEPCON. Watching the sheer power of the Ammonium Perchlorate. We knew the volatility, but it takes so very little to cause Domino's to fall. The suppression system in this plant probably did save lives, but nothing can stop the cascading affect a spark or pure heat can exacerbate. A small issue.
Aren’t the batteries capable of providing their own oxygen for thermal runaway. If so, any suppression system that relies on air exclusion to deprive the resulting fire of oxygen is useless. It seems that heat absorption/exclusion is also questionable. Only removing the fuel or interrupting the chemical reaction remain. Water (steam) or Halon systems won’t stop the fires.
How many miles out could a fire like this impact? They are trying to put a very large BESS storage facility on 18 acres right below our houses where there are regular fires. Is there a way to find out how many miles around the facility could be impacted?
Besides air quality sampling, was water runoff sampled for contamination? Knowing the large scale of this plant's operation, having 200,000 gallons of water on site and knowing water runoff from lithium-ion fires will likely be toxic shouldn't there be containment berms?
The frustrating thing is many of us knew this would be a problem. I was heavily into RC aircraft when lithium ion batteries were becoming more mainstream, we used and abused those batteries, quickly realizing how volatile they are. All these EV, factory and grid storage fires were extremely predictable 10+ years ago, but if we expressed those concerns we were ridiculed.
@@SuprSiThe irony being that lithium polymer batteries do not have a tendency to spontaneously combust when not being charged, or discharged, or physically abused. All the reports of hobbyists burning their homes down (when charging), even though we are using the relatively safe formulation. I never saw that coming
Incorrect. The EPA has nothing to do with the manufacture of EVs or their batteries. They are there to protect & preserve the environment but unfortunately the multi-million $ corporations constantly fight the EPA (& suppress its ethos) so that a few billionaires can make obscene profits at the expense of ordinary citizens.
Q: When will this end?! (Phil shakes the Magic 8-Ball he bought at yard sale back in 2005, it has a crack in the window but technically still works) A: "Cannot Predict Now..." okay next question please.
How many tons can they process now? Who is going to insure these facilities? I can’t see how this can be done profitably when insurance companies pull the plug on these companies.
Wonder why the recycling plant didn’t have better segmentation within the plant? Seems design was lacking
I agree. Isolating product and using firewalls should be required.
If its a 200T a day plant there simply might not be enough room to sufficiently separate the batteries.
I don't know how anyone can prevent an accident like this. Volume recycling is very much needed as we won't have enough raw material to keep on our use of batteries at current rates of growth in the next 50 years.
Even oxygen free atmosphere won't stop the runaway.
Maybe if the process was 100% automated, with floodable rooms filled with Novak or mineral oil, and temperature controlled environment down to -20F to prevent spreading... but some events are an eventuality because of the nature of cells and the eventual mechanical separation of these packs. Freezing before disassembly is the only thing that might make it safer, or doing it all under a non flammable/conductive fluid.
NOT BAD DESIGN ,,, JUST LITHIUM THATS WHY EV CARS NEED TO BE BANNED YESTERDAY HIGHLY UNSTABLE CHEMICAL EVERYTHING WAS FINE FOR LAPTOPS , PHONES AND RC CARS , BUT SOME BILLIONAIRE LUNATIC WANTS TO CAUSE ORDER OUT OF CHAOS ITS ONLY GOING TO GET CRAZIER AND WORSE WITH THE FORCED ROLLOUT
@@matthewmenteer5673 putting the cart ahead of the horse... and the cart is on fire
Don't put it inside a small rural town.
That smoke is INCREDIBLY toxic. And the water runoff is also incredibly toxic. But it’s all green apparently.
All the local fish in streams are DEAD
Because oil fires are so pleasant?
If only it were a nice petroleum fire where there are no toxic chemicals or environmental impact at all, right genius ?
@@FSMDog Oil fire *are* unpleasant, but they are mostly CO2 and soot. Not much in the way of heavy metals.
I am not sure what your point is. There is no comparison in terms of environmental poison between an oil fire and a Li ion battery fire.
The water probably would be ... 😒
I live about 17 miles north of this place. The whole place was basically a mystery as to what it was going to be during the whole time it was being built. We didn't know a thing about it until THIS happened.
😂😂😂
What's that sound?
Oh, it's just your property value dropping.
How long do you think it was running
ZERO news of this in Corporate Media - it does NOT follow the Woke Leftist Pseudo-Religious Fundamentals
@erocoptics5642 actually running? Less than a year. And my understanding was they were still in phase 1, planning to double the current workforce and be at running at capacity by the end of 2025
Search for this article: "'Thousands' of dead fish in Missouri town under investigation after nearby battery plant fire."
@@tonopdebank6718 Sure, ask a Greenie. He'd answer: "What would a fish know about recycling?"
Not a coincidence when every other fire recently had same results we just had a two or three week lithium fire here at a recycling plant in Maine u think all this shit is a coincidence?😂 GASOLINE FOREVER
ZERO news of this in Corporate Media - it does NOT follow the Woke Leftist Pseudo-Religious Fundamentals
Jesus Christ, where's PETA and Greenpeace, when you need them...
@@wolemaiI thought EVers were environment nutjobs, can't be both
That plant was only there one year, dangerous and wasteful.
ZERO news of this in Corporate Media - it does NOT follow the Woke Leftist Pseudo-Religious Fundamentals
Stop using things that use batteries then. Let me guess, you used a phone to post this comment. That phone uses a lithium ion battery. You're part of the problem.
@Member00101
How much does that telephone battery weigh?
The lithium is 2-3 grams.
The entire battery is less than 50 grams.
Let's compare the phone battery size to EV battery size.
Tesla Model S battery:
1,200 pounds
Tesla Model Y battery:
1,700 pounds
Model S is equivalent to: 10, 800 phone batteries and Model Y more than 15,000 phone batteries.
If he/she is part of the problem, it's not a big part.
@@Member00101not a very good argument, how many thousands of times bigger is an EV battery compared to your phone battery……
@@massivebird2628 Have you ever looked inside an EV battery pack? It's just a bunch of smaller batteries connected together. It's no different than having a pile of cell phone batteries. Recycling facilities don't recycle individual batteries, they recycle thousands and thousands at a time. They all have the same risks and drawbacks.
How many millions of EV miles will it take to counteract this amount of environmental damage done here?
Glad there was nobody injured.
about 1?
That little bit of smoke is quite insignificant, as far as the epa says so. They will keep this slight problem very quiet, as it goes against their narrative for a greener future.
@@lawrencerolls3643 It IS insignificant compared to how much stuff we burn every second. Still does not make it a good thing.
@@jamesphillips2285, I dont really think that there is such a thing as a safe large lithium battery. It seems as though the risk of thermal run away increases with the increasing battery age.
Because oil refineries _never_ catch fire.
lithium and water is like gunpowder and a match
It is, but there isn't supposed to be lithium metal in lithium ion batteries. Lithium plating is a possibility, especially if the battery wasn't used properly.
I find it strange that a week later I've not heard a word of this on my local news channel. WDIV Detroit.
You think they're going to put out the truth????
Won't they have to stop covering The Election.
ZERO news of this in Corporate Media - it does NOT follow the Woke Leftist Pseudo-Religious Fundamentals
I get what you're saying but sometimes it's just because it's not considered news worthy.
Our current MSM thrives on drama so unless something catastrophic happens like several people die most news outlets aren't interested.
"Building burns down" isn't exciting enough for a lot of them.
Why do you find normal "news" reporting strange ?
Nice mushroom cloud. Very green.
Hydrogen flouride and chloride , an absolute disaster .
And, as everybody knows, oil refineries _never_ catch on fire.
@@beeble2003 nice strawman. If these recycling plants can’t operate without being an environmental hazard, it defeats the point
@@radisnooker5 Only if they're more of an environmental hazard than the technology they replace. The emissions from a single fire are utterly insignificant compared to the emissions of millions of cars over years. So the question becomes how common these fires are.
@@beeble2003 And what do you need to manufacture EV's and their batteries? You win a point if you answer, OIL! Oil to harvest the minerals. Oil to make the paints and plastics. Oil to make the foam in the seats and the rubber for the tyres. Oil to make the insulation for the wiring. Oil to make the cooling systems. Oil to take the vehicle to market and oil to make the roads on which they run. If you believe that somehow EV's are not reliant on oil, you are desperately intellectually inadequate.
I live there. The fire department estimates they tanked in approximately 1,000,000 gallons to extinguish it.
ZERO news of this in Corporate Media - it does NOT follow the Woke Leftist Pseudo-Religious Fundamentals
And where did the runoff go? Possibly into the streams where there are millions of dead fish....just an indicator of the other problems this travesty has brought.
@sferg9582 oh not possibly went there, it guaranteed went there.
Wells for drinking water
@FarmerDrew time will tell i guess.
Keepin' it green!
Gotta love those lithium batteries.
Or thick, black and acrid.
Electric batteries are so environmentally friendly. Yeah right!
People buy battery powered cell phones and power tools for the environment? Get real dude.
@user-ln7of9gs4s they pale in comparison to a cars pack which will have to be replaced every 10 years or so
In all fairness, an oil refinery fire would have been the same or worse.
@@mattt198654321 Indeed but oil is not lauded as great for the environment whereas Lithium and EVs are.
They blamed the fire that burnt down a fire station in Germany on lack of smoke detectors, not the ev batteries. Thatvstory disappeared just like this one will.
Unfortunately the German Government has no EVs in its fire service, the original report actually said it was batteries used in other equipment they use that caught fire, which still stands, however, it was allowed to run rampant because of the lack of a fire alarm system.
@@Brusselpicker Not true.. the German Government does have EVs in service.. they may not be fire trucks.. but an EV did burn down that fire house. They believe it started at the charger for one.
Finger pointing is pretty well known
Saving the planet with air pollution
If you throw them away and they get damaged, they will runaway and catch fire. This is a recycling plant, that recycles all sorts of lithium batteries. I don’t know what you’re complaining about.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s Really? You dont understand what he is referring too? Wow!
Ban evs and their flamethrowing batteries now
Ahh, breathe that green air!
pollution won't end and will only get worse as long as industries, consumerism, and obsolescence exist
I hope the chemical safety board investigates this. The efforts and tenacity of their investigators is excellent. And for anyone who is not familiar with their work, they post videos here on RUclips. These safety videos are as good as any safety video I've ever seen in my career.
Respect and prayers to all of you dedicated first responders wherever you are.
One huge building? Rows of smaller buildings connected with conveyor belts, and outside covered storage with dirt berms.
Handling lithium batteries needs to be on the same level as when handling and storing explosives.
"Handling lithium batteries needs to be on the same level as when handling and storing explosives." yup, the Safety Protocols needed are equivalent to that of the Military when handling Munitions (if not exceeding them). therein that tragic basement explosion that killed 2 firefighters in Poland (ref the Captain's upload date: October 15, 2024) proves out EXACTLY what i've been saying for some time that "operationally" Li-ion Battery fires must ultimately be viewed as DETONATIONS. because logic dictates (for better or worse) when brave men are lost, the mourning family members will NOT likely be comforted by "semantics" or "technicalities" since it's already too late. # TIME IS A FACTOR
I have a theory! How about we go back to gasoline powered engines and leave the toxic battery cars alone. No more toxic smoke, and the EPA can go to Hell!!!
“How DARE you!!”
- some idiot kid
@roymatson8117 “How DARE you!”
- some idiot kid
I am the idiot kid, I drive an electric car I love it, almost 120.000 miles and it's amazing how it drives. No issue so far it's so cheap compared to fuel. 204 horsepower of fun. I'm 56 years old and I hope the fuel industry does not ban EVs before I die or too old to drive. These accidents in factories are terrible but it's lack of attention
@2.3_44XD-- The fossil fuel industry is not what will kill EVs. Reality will.
probably, I hope not before 10 or 15 years....me☠️😂
The EPA didn't help in East Palestine.
The EPA is pushing these ev's.
@@francismarion6400 Which is incidents like this will be kept down in the press.
they probably wont help in Fredericktown since they are as red as East Palestine.
Nor in west Israel
This fire will cause stockpiles of old batteries to accumulate, so now we'll have the problem of warehouses full of these old batteries, and nowhere for them to go.
It will be like the Beruit port boom! They need to be stored in the States of use. Like California.
@@francismarion6400 No. That's not how it works. Lithium batteries are not Ammonium Nitrate..
@ffjsb NO it's not the same, Ammonium nitrate is fertilizer. Lithium is poison.
I can even imagine other less advanced facilities are hitting the pause button on their services.
Its going to take a novel approach to deal with the waste batteries. Clearly state of the art water systems aren't enough, and as you said they don't have anywhere that they can store them that would be more ideal then rendering the batteries inert as soon as possible.
@@ffjsb Lithium ion is poison. Ammonium nitrate is fertilizer. There is a huge difference.
DNR is on-site for fish killoff. Foam seen in stream. Down stream from plant approx 2mi. Minor injuries were reported by local news. Residents report headaches, nause and vomiting. EPA told not to wear insignia at sketchy sites so I wonder if they are identified in MO right now. The initial plume and exposures before evac is what needs monitoring, but of course they never get there early enough.
ZERO news of this in Corporate Media - it does NOT follow the Woke Leftist Pseudo-Religious Fundamentals
Getting very exasperated with technology that is moving faster than we can learn to deal with it safely. These projects are easily subsidized, but I haven't seen anyone around here offering to train us and buy us the equipment we need to deal with it. But you and other dedicated souls are really motivating me to take some action on the local level. Thanks Brother StacheD.
Thanks for this. Because your videos are unbiased but to the point I think you are helping people understand the pitfalls and the dangers for emergency responders and the public alike. This an ongoing problem and threat but it is what it is.
Just reading the comments: you can see he has been biased.
I think he may be trying to reign in his audience a bit by pointing out non-battery causes of explosions.
@jamesphillips2285 You’re the biased one here. He’s just pointing out facts.
I work in this town. Drive by this plant 6 times a week. The reason the fire suppression was taken out by the first explosion. Luckily, the wind was blowing north. If it was blowing south like it usually does. The town could have been devastated.
I live north of this. So we were getting all the fumes and smoke from it. Air was hazy and lungs hurt.
This happened 2 yrs ago by same company in Illinois. Same thing happen.
"cutting edge" recycling. I cannot imagine how dangerous it is to do that.
The EPA said the air was fine Sept 12/ 01 too.
Well the air was fine - it was the asbestos that wasn't. You weren't supposed to inhale the fibres.
Love that “Net Zero” politics.
Nut Zero
Accidents happen. Always have, always will.
How about stop using things that use batteries then? Let me guess, you posted this dumb comment from your cell phone that uses a lithium ion battery. Go back to using a landline phone.
@@Member00101because a few oz of lithium and 10s of pounds of lithium are the same thing. Also we SHOULD go back to landlines.
@@richardcampbell8685 They all go to the same recycling facilities. Maybe your one phone battery isn't a big deal to you but companies don't recycle individual batteries, they recycle millions and millions of them at a time because that's how many are out there. That's why I said you are PART of the problem. There are fires at landfills all the time from people who think their 1 battery won't do anything, but they do. Just because you don't have an EV, either do I, doesn't mean your batteries are any less of a hassle to recycle than an EV's battery is. If you've ever looked inside an EV's battery pack, you'll notice that it's just a bunch of smaller batteries connected together. So imagine a pile of old cell phone batteries. It's just as bad.
Imagine a world where hackers can set off fire bombs called lithium batteries. OH WAIT
You american?
You can't remotely detonate an unmodified battery.
@@jamesphillips2285
Sure. Whatever makes you sleep at night.
@@jamesphillips2285 And yet hundreds of lithium "rendered inert" batteries just exploded ... probably need to watch before you comment there Muskovite.
@@nerd3d-comThey don’t explode in the traditional sense. More like an express release, like a steam explosion. Although a real fast expansion, not close to the speed of something like dynamite tnt c4 etc
Thanks for your update. Another factor may be a recent influx of batteries from flood damaged cars from the recent hurricanes. They would arrive quickly and the quantity may have required large dense stacks waiting to be processed
So that's what net zero emissions looks like?
Idiots who think CO2 is dangerous are okay with all of that toxic smoke. It boggles the mind.
I saw this on YT the night it happened, then I didn't see anything from MSM media about it, it's as if it never happened.
Does not fit their agenda regarding the electric car/ clean air from the existing lost administration !!!
Why did this not make mainstream new or any news? I live in Missouri and your report on RUclips a week later is the first I’m hearing of this.
Batteries are so great for the environment, can’t we all se that
I will never own an electric car
likely you're right but it won't be your say so.
Battery car.
@billynomates920 It will 100% be my say so. I own gasoline powered vehicles now and will continue to until the day I die. Nothing you or anyone else can do will make me buy an EV.
@@Johnfisher12345 Are you 70+? Then yeah, maybe you're right. Here, in two months -- assuming we're on track, and I think we are -- you can't buy *NEW* fossiled fueled cars anymore, and EV sales already make up some 98% of the *NEW* car sales. Cars typically last 10-15 years max here, so in that time gas (only) stations and their pumps will have to close down due to not making business. For you too, it's only a matter of when; how are you going to fuel them when there are no gas stations around anymore?
@gottagowork This comment is so full of flagrant lies, it’s not even worth addressing. Wherever you’re getting your information from is outrageously deceitful.
That's one way to dispose of a lot of lithium ion batteries quickly and efficiently. The building, it seems, was a bit unnecessary.
Battery fires, the modern alternative to landfill.
I wonder what the actuaries are thinking right now.
As someone who lives near this plant (an hour or so away), and someone in the BEV industry, this one really caught my attention. No, I don't own a BEV myself yet, I just get paid to fix them, I'll still rock my diesel. The amount of thermal energy stored inside a BEV pack is insane. Like to the point if we get a pack in a vehicle that is spicy, they will fly in a team from out of state to cut it open in the parking lot to render it safe for transport. Don't get me wrong, BEVs are impressive, they are cheaper to operate yes, the performance per dollar is insane, but don't say they are the end all be all for saving the environment. That is bullshit. They are absolutely the most wasteful form of transportation there is, from production, to end of life.
Personally, if you really cared about the environment, diesel hybrids would be where its at. But thanks to VW people got scared of small diesels, and thanks to the EPA, diesels are trash now, and it's very difficult to un-trash them.
DPF filters, here, lets catch all the "bad diesel byproducts" in a filter, a filter that gets full over time, but don't worry, we can clean said filter by getting it really hot, by dumping excess diesel fuel into it and burning it up! Soooo.....we control emissions by creating more emissions? Seems smart. But what, there's more. The stuff that leaves the DPF, then goes into the SCR, which gets dirty over time as well, no worries, we can clean that too, we'll just squirt some corrosive liquid in there that smells like cat piss and flush all the junk out the tail pipe. Which....is the exact same place this stuff would have gone anyways with none of that expensive junk in place. Don't get me started on EGR valves. Do you eat your own shit? No? Then your engine shouldn't either. Let's just clog up the intake with junk, so the engine can't work as efficiently. Make sense, cause you know, a less efficient engine, means more emissions.
The EPA has it's places. It's place is nowhere near making laws or forcing the auto industry to install bullshit parts on cars that make them worse. Fun fact, every worked on a government owned diesel vehicle? Yep, it doesn't have any of the BS emissions stuff they force on us, because they need the vehicles to be "Reliable". Oh....
re: "BEVs are impressive, they are cheaper to operate yes, the performance per dollar is insane, but don't say they are the end all be all for saving the environment. That is bullshit." bingo, as i've been saying "ad nauseam" the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE triggered by this latest incident in the news (on top of all the previous incidents) will be OVERWHELMING for a great many people, EV fans in particular. unfortunately it takes a lot of maturity, wisdom, and cognitive ability to SEE PARADOX and CONFRONT CONTRADICTION, therein those "baby young to the world" will invariably be "seen" struggling with this...
because what this means that they have to ultimately recognize is, that they've BEEN LIED TO by Elon Musk (aw crap) which would then imply (since they were so easily tricked) that they are actually NOT as smart as they've been making themselves out to be to their family, friends, and co-workers. understandably having to finally admit to this will be "unpleasant" but yet it MUST be done.
"Shelter in place". What would be better is if morons would stop building things like this near people, and stop letting other people build near places like this. It was bad enough being about 12 miles from a recycling plant that was on fire in my area, we were down wind and still had to deal with some irritation from the changing air currents.
I'm against them as well but where are you going to put them.. 200 miles from anywhere out in the middle of the desert? Kind of hard to get people to work where no one exist. Better to just ban the damn things!
sheltering and breathing in this crap is the WORST thing people and animals can do! EVACUATE FAR AWAY OPPOSITE WIND DRAFT
While the toxic smoke missed the town , it did manage to float its way over the farm lands and cattle country ,
The Insurance Co. is really worried now. The next recycling factory will have to be engineered to the satisfaction of whoever insures it.
I think insurance will be one of the several nails in the proverbial EV coffins. With insurance companies banning/charging higher rates EVs from attached garages, underground parking, and premiums for use; I think what we have currently for EVs won't be around for long, especially if a safer battery releases.
Either way recycling needs to happen, if everything was true on how state of the art the fire system was, and if everything inside the plant was according to plan, the goal posts certainly moved on what the baseline for safety should be.
I said on another post, but we might need to have all these processes done either submerged in chilled fluid, or everything done
I work in insurance. Battery powered cars have the same issues as hydrogen cars… ie: hydrogen gas. Lithium metal in water / moist air reacts to generate hydrogen. It should also be significantly easier to retrofit current gas stations to hydrogen storage and delivery centers. Also doesn’t require more rare earth elements than humanity has access to at the time.
Not gonna help with lowering investor risk either. 😮
As expensive as a fire like this is: two nearly simultaneous hurricanes are even more expensive to clean up after.
@@davidnelson2204producing sufficient hydrogen to replace petrol would take so much electrical generation capacity it is simply not economically viable. Hydrogen also is corrosive to metal.
We wouldn't need this many plants if it weren't for BESS and EVs. People always mention little batteries, but an EV's is 10,000 times at least as big as my phone's. Acres of BESS is just dumv, let alone a bunch of processing facilities. Make it stop 😢
We'd need lots more of these if EV's took off in numbers.
@MrBashem god help us
The EPA sucks for what they are doing to modern Diesel engines. DEF, DPF, EGR. None of which is required on government or military vehicles. About the lithium recycling plant catching on fire and exploding. Want to see my surprised face? 😐
Eventually they will just dump the batteries in the ocean
The eV battery operated car people will be making new reefs for marine wildlife !
How wonderful !
They're saving the planet !
They should be patting themselves on the back...
Besides that those recycling plant managers that does not know shit about fire hazards from lithium batteries, What is more baffling to me is that this channel have so few people watching it.
People MUST watch this channel before buying any EV or even doing it before use any lithium battery.
A major problem is that this fire spewed out tons, yes tons, of heavy metal particulates into that community. Air monitoring does NOT type or quantify those and other chemicals released in this fire.
Mainly because heavy metals only persist in the air for a very short period if at all.
1) The fires got to get hot enough to actually vapourise those metals (too high for most metals/fires)
2) If they do get in the hot updraft of smoke as soon as they cool a little they precipitate back out and fall to earth.
Soil/water testing is how they will test for heavy metal contamination afterwards.
@deezelfairy People will look back on this ignorance the same way the downwinders did in the decades following open air nuclear testing. It will just take tens of thousands of people getting cancer before anyone will listen.
Fighting lithium fires with water is ineffective.
It's pointless lol
Yet these batteries and EVs are going to save humanity and planet. Right...
Today is the fourth day after the fire, and this is only the second mention I've seen since. I just don't think people are mentally prepared for the hazards inherent in the technology they take for granted. This isn't to knock immersion products e.g. cool tubs, but I had an instructor just last week who was of the opinion that immersion would extinguish a standard road flare - the simple, ancient, self-oxygenating road flare.
Four days - maybe the general media has no STEM or Industrial Experts.
But wait this video could have had a better title.
Say something with "state of the art recycler" or "specialty battery recycler".
LMFAO, even I know that ain't true.... I found a crap load of flares, while snorkeling in a Lake. It was fun lighting them under water.
Could the lack of media have anything to do with the upcoming election? One side has been the push to produce these things faster than containment and reprocessing could be set up. I have started seeing some haz mat placards recently, but those have been a long time coming.
GO GREEN : your ruled by idiots
"You're".
Can’t imagine how much energy it cost to recycle a lithium ion ev battery if you need a pyrolisis proces to do it efficiently.
_Pyrolisis_ 😮 kinda looks like what that plant was doing on its own!
Certainly environmentally friendly and safe.
Think of all the seals and seabirds covered in batteries!
"Nobody was injured, but somebody lost a tooth, but that's alright" - your words bro!
Ban all automotive lithium ion batteries
Thank you brandon for the pollution.
thank you ELON for the pollution. last i heard "brandon" directly manufactures FU$%ALL in the EV Automotive sector.
Dems are making a mess of our Country
Y'all may want to learn that EV's go way back, well before "Brandon". BTW, you want real disaster? Then hope your guy gets into office again, that'll make this battery plant fire look like a mouse fahrt.
@@davidg3944 Yes, but Biden did make a concerted effort to go down in history as the President to electrify America. And he did it after the fire risk was established science. And he would say there was no mandate when was there was a defacto mandate in new regulations focused on tailpipe emissions. Regulations that ignore the kind of fire reported in this video. If Trump wins, his new bromance with Musk will be exploited by both, making this situation worse. This all looks to get worse before it gets better.
p.s. The term ‘Brandon’ is the type of term that an eight-year-old boy uses when they don’t know the words that they want to use, but they know they’re just angry and they want to curse.
he be in and as the world burns... we watch
Once upon a time, Chief Dunn and others wrote books about having firefighters inside a building collapse zone. I foresee a new book on stand-off zones for battery recovery buildings. Hearing the evacuation signal makes me believe (based only on the video) that they were trying to get the firefighters further back from the building. If an explosion can blow something through the roof and 20-ft into the air, how far can debris fly toward firefighters outside?
Respectfully, I would consider the loss of a tooth an injury 😮
Note that after this event occurred, there immediately was a large fish kill in a river nearby that could have been caused by the runoff of either the foam that was used or the water or both for the fire suppression. Analysis of the fish is ongoing by the Missouri Conservation department.
The board of the company should be held liable for their gross neglect!
Another reason for Missouri to vote against government backed Net Zero candidates.
It's time we admit that lithium-ion batteries are too much of a risk and are not "green" in the least. Cease the manufacture of these batteries and let the folly of EVs go by the wayside.
So I guess you don't own a recent cordless power tool? Or a rechargeable flashlight? As I said in another comment, I'm no fan of EVs. I grew up in the late 60s with Detroit V8 muscle cars, and I still prefer them, but I think it is a mistake to think that lithium ion batteries = EVs and nothing else.
@@Acceleronics Unfortunately, most people don't realize the potential dangers in the items that you mentioned, especially kids.
We need next gen batteries to minimize the hazards in these smaller Lithium batteries.
And before the government pushes EVs on the unsuspecting public, we need a lot more R&D. Probably 2 or 3 generations beyond the current technology before EVs are safe enough for mass adoption.
@@Acceleronics that’s the mentality they want u to think the ev cars are a different type of lithium it’s not as dangerous I have a lithium flashlight that’s been burnt broke ran over melted from weld arc it’s held together with a rubber band still works it is look it up it infos out there it’s two different kinds of battery’s
@Acceleronics How many warehouse fires have been caused by a Makita drill battery exploding? Or homes being burned down because a Ryobi battery pack blew up? How many newsworthy fires have been caused by them?
A 2 amp hour drill battery does not have anything close to the energy and destructive potential as an electric vehicle battery does. In the last five years I’ve disposed of exactly two such batteries. Multiply that out by the population, and that’s a much more reasonable quantity of batteries to properly dispose of and recycle. Not difficult to work out the logistics at that scale. But huge numbers of EV batteries? Well, just watch the video.
Just about any device with a re-charagble battery that you have will have a lithium battery in it. Some car batteries are also lithium.
I know this is "off color" for a channel like this, but this is why lithium batteries should be fully discharged before any kind of disposal or recycling. The stored energy of the charge is what creates an ignition hazard.
I wonder what the carbon footprint of that fire was.
Stinks of corner cutting and incompetent management.
@MegaCyrik Welcome to the recycling business. Recycling of anything is never profitable for anyone when it’s done above board.
Nope. They spent big on fire suppression and monitoring. Recycling EV batteries is inherently very dangerous.
Someone should have tried to monitor the air here in Covington Ga.
Let’s fail to mention how the smoke and the water runoff from these fires contaminates everything it touches with fluoride and heavy metals
All that surrounding farmland and you can bet farmers didn't vote to have that business there.
Serious question,
I have around 6 old cellphones that I want to keep. What is the best way to store them? And where?
I have 2 outside unattached sheds plus a shop that is attached to the house.
And what is a good battery level to keep them at?
Thanks 👍
Have the batteries removed.. all batteries will eventually leak as they age. If they don't leak they will swell and damage the internals as it expands.
@rodshoaf ok. Thanks. Do you have a suggestion for where to store the batteries after removing?
This is great content.
Reminds me of the Chemtool fire in Rockton, Illinois. No fire walls or doors, the whole facility was a total loss.
I agree with you about the foam. A lithium battery will continue to burn without air, because the battery itself contains everything it needs. What works to stop a lithium battery fire is lots and lots of cooling, to bring the material under its combustion point. Water does this very well, especially in large quantities. Foam, on the other hand, is an insulator. My instinct is that the foam probably made the problem worse by reducing the ability of the water to cool the burning material down.
Another example of this particular problem are coal seam fires. They can burn, underground, for decades, because the coal seam itself has all of the necessary components for fire in its composition. It doesn't need access to atmospheric oxygen to burn.
Water will ignite lithium, the moisture in the air alone can light it off, there is almost no way to extinguish the fire once started. These things are garbage for the environment, pit mined in giant holes, by slave labor. Then there is this, proof they are more dangerous and damaging than simply using OIL.
Example... Centralia Pennsylvania
Best things to put in the atmosphere come from Batteries. Nice work fellas!!!
I wonder if the pollution from such a fire is equivalent to the emissions from thousands of ICEs in a year.
Numerous used Lithium ion batteries come into a large facility in what is basically an unknown condition. What could possibly go wrong?
How does a "state of the art" facility screw up this bad. Can someone please explain to me again how much better for the environment these batteries are?
Burning stuff kills 5 million people every year due to respiratory illness, but go off I guess.
Q: How does a "state of the art" facility screw up this bad(?) A: EGO it's the oldest answer known to man. like Elon Musk, the people who actually "posture" and present themselves as being SMART and INFORMED are actually NOT any of these things. no, just talk to anyone with a basic understanding of Chemistry (never mind a Lab Chemist or a Chemical Engineer with an "advanced" understanding) and they'll quickly explain how these people don't know what the hell they're doing. however conspicuously take notice that these "subject matter experts" are RARELY (if ever) sought out or interviewed for THEIR opinion...? but yet these people DO exist.
So, what's downwind and how big will the class action suit be?
The chemicals and processes to recycle batteries is super hazardous and dangerous
Excellent report , Thank-You !
Does a large scale battery fire like this require more or less environmental remediation post fire then a large scale fire at a petroleum facility like a tank farm or refinery?
It's a good question. I would say oil is safer. The hazards are relatively low during cleanup. Batteries are always a hazard.
@StacheDTraining at least at a petroleum facility, there would be containment built into its design.
What a excellent thought out response , as always . Top chap !
Lithium ion is hazardous waste. These sites should be far away from populations and waterways.
Always excellent factual & dispassionate reporting from Stache on this unfortunate proliferation of EV battery fires. What is particularly concerning to me is that similar, smaller, batteries are used in domestic situations for storage of solar generated electricity - and indeed some DIY enthusiasts have repurposed ex-EV batteries to support their home or workshop solar panel systems.
Perhaps we need tighter regulation for handling & installing/dismantling EV batteries to help prevent such EV fire events?
They'll lie and say it was a water cooler.
Fracking
The unpredictable nature of these batteries. I was born and raised in Las Vegas. I witnessed the explosion of PEPCON. Watching the sheer power of the Ammonium Perchlorate. We knew the volatility, but it takes so very little to cause Domino's to fall. The suppression system in this plant probably did save lives, but nothing can stop the cascading affect a spark or pure heat can exacerbate. A small issue.
It should be illegal to pu on the website that foam will contain the fire if it won't. That sounds like they were lying.
Aren’t the batteries capable of providing their own oxygen for thermal runaway. If so, any suppression system that relies on air exclusion to deprive the resulting fire of oxygen is useless. It seems that heat absorption/exclusion is also questionable. Only removing the fuel or interrupting the chemical reaction remain. Water (steam) or Halon systems won’t stop the fires.
The entire EV market is a scam and they leave us with toxic burning batteries.
How many miles out could a fire like this impact? They are trying to put a very large BESS storage facility on 18 acres right below our houses where there are regular fires. Is there a way to find out how many miles around the facility could be impacted?
Thank you for an excellent, factual non emotive video.
Besides air quality sampling, was water runoff sampled for contamination? Knowing the large scale of this plant's operation, having 200,000 gallons of water on site and knowing water runoff from lithium-ion fires will likely be toxic shouldn't there be containment berms?
The plant had 200,000 gallons on site for the fire suppression system. 26 fire departments tanked in another 1,000,000 gallons to put it out.
Lion is fast becoming the “Thalidomide” of the auto industry!
The frustrating thing is many of us knew this would be a problem. I was heavily into RC aircraft when lithium ion batteries were becoming more mainstream, we used and abused those batteries, quickly realizing how volatile they are. All these EV, factory and grid storage fires were extremely predictable 10+ years ago, but if we expressed those concerns we were ridiculed.
@@SuprSiThe irony being that lithium polymer batteries do not have a tendency to spontaneously combust when not being charged, or discharged, or physically abused. All the reports of hobbyists burning their homes down (when charging), even though we are using the relatively safe formulation. I never saw that coming
Tons of deadly TOXIC chemicals in these battery fires!!!
And they blame the cows for air pollution
Great success Joe.
4:04 You're welcome! Glad you found it useful, Captain Durham!
Funny because I've used it before. Just forgot all about the service.
Good looking out
Thank you for the awesome work my brother man 👍👍☮💕
The EPA can go to HELL!!!. They are the reason these batteries exist in the first place.
Incorrect. The EPA has nothing to do with the manufacture of EVs or their batteries. They are there to protect & preserve the environment but unfortunately the multi-million $ corporations constantly fight the EPA (& suppress its ethos) so that a few billionaires can make obscene profits at the expense of ordinary citizens.
When will this end?!
Q: When will this end?! (Phil shakes the Magic 8-Ball he bought at yard sale back in 2005, it has a crack in the window but technically still works) A: "Cannot Predict Now..." okay next question please.
How many tons can they process now? Who is going to insure these facilities? I can’t see how this can be done profitably when insurance companies pull the plug on these companies.
Not to worry. The taxpayer will prop them up. Maybe they already do.
@@joejones4172Good odds we do.
What battery show did you go to in NYC
Dont put your family in an EV , No matter what Brand it is. They're All extremely dangerous
How will this mess be cleaned up.where is the water going to drain to,