ICE car fires are easy to put out and don’t destroy hundreds of vehicles like some EVs fires in car parks have caused. It only takes one EV to burn hundreds of ICE cars.
@@aperitifs No they won't Insurance companies are already paying out A LOT more due to global warming fueled disasters. One parking garage is a lot smaller payout than: - a neighborhood pounded by hail causing damage to both structures and vehicles. - A town burned to the ground by forest fires. - Coastal town being flooded every 10 years.
I own an apartment building in NYC and one of the things I have to send out to tenants now is a pamphlet telling them they can't store electric bikes in the building. LOL
@@StacheDTraining I have to go next week and install cameras to make sure none are brought into the building. I don't think any are but you never know.
@@joevarga5982 Trust me I know, but the property appreciation makes it worth it. I know they want my property to eventually tear it down to build new condos etc so whether the people pay me or not is irrelevant.
@@joevarga5982 Landlords make their money in appreciating land values. It is in the name! That is why you see so many vacant buildings in NYC. Landlords make money whether the buildings are occupied or not. But lowering rent screws up their financing.
The way the flames are raining down down from the ceiling, remind me of the Station nightclub fire. It must be some type of similar hydrocarbon based sound deadening/ insulation material.
Not to mention the 'green' mining in new unique environments instead of our already operational mines. It'll be especially 'green' when they mine the seafloor to supply the electronics demand because It'll be out of sight. Oh I forgot, those batteries that 'don't create toxic emissions' and share there heat so generously with everything surrounding are sooooo green they can't be recycled like a lead acid battery.
@@tonysales3687The first RUclips video I ever saw of an EV becoming a flamethrower was about 2014 I think. I have seen hundreds since. Why are you asking for evidence?
@@tonysales3687 You think I'm lying? The thing was attached to a tow truck, Northbound US19 in Tarpon Springs FL. Probably a lot of them burning after the flooding we just had from Helene.
@@ericrawson2909 because people lie on the internet, if there is a scource to the statement, or pictures, and one would think there would be, it would corroborate the story, but I bet there is not.
@@nightdipper5178 So by your logic, batteries are not safe when it suits your views, but also completely safe when it concerns your convenience, got it...
I'm not going to come down on either BEV or any other fuel side, but when you start asking for "garages to be designed with BEV fires in mind", you instantly cause problems for the 90% of the existing infrastructure, because that shit's just not built for BEV fires, period.
You obviously did not watch the video. * no sprinklers * flammable ceiling * 4:10 "Any vehicle fire in an underground structure like this would have had devastating consequences not just electric vehicles."
@@jamesphillips2285 Watch until the end of the video. Even with sprinklers and a concrete ceiling this would have ended badly. There is simply no way to get there in time unless a sprinkler system floods the parking garage.
@@spankeyfish No, a sprinkler system is pretty useless against an NMC battery packed in a tight parking garage. Recent tests have shown that an LFP battery fire could be suppressed with a sprinkler system, but most EV's do not have this battery chemistry and the location of the battery pack also puts it out of reach of a standard sprinkler system. It might buy some time and limit the damage if it is the only EV there.
EVs are okay for bikes and smaller vehicles like mobility scooters, anything bigger and the problems increase exponentially. Would still park personal EVs away from the house... Still take a gas engine over a Chinese one...
@@b_uppy ev bikes and scooters still catch fire. if put in a percentage of exiting it may come out being the same. All you have to do is look up the videos of them on youtube.
I am not 1 of the people who support EV's as our only choice. I like Internal combustion, but cars catch on fire. Pinto's were blowing up left and right in the 80s. If every IC vehicle fire were covered people would be too scared to drive. The reason this is news is it is new to us.
@@nicoradv3923 That's why I made my comment about storing personal EVs _away_ from the house. It was implied they are still problematic. That said their problems are on a much smaller scale...
@@Turk_2023 It's an argument different than pure numbers of EVs to ICs catching fire. It's the way EVs catch fire. It's a little poof then it's a big fire that burns hotly for hours and hours and is hard to control. Those can ruin the structural integrity of concrete make it hard to control, and keep from spreading, emit harmful chemicals for much longer, tax infrastructure, etc...
You obviously did not watch the video. * no sprinklers * flammable ceiling * 4:10 "Any vehicle fire in an underground structure like this would have had devastating consequences not just electric vehicles."
@@jamesphillips2285 I watched the video. Unlike electric cars, gas-powered cars almost NEVER catch fire when they're parked. EV's are burning peoples homes down.
A working sprinkler system is a must. If the sprinkler system is not working then you need a continuous fire watch capable of providing the equivalent protection of the sprinkler system.
@@edc1569Not fantasy. Reality. There was an EV fire awhile back that melted through a concrete floor in a parkade. If it can melt through a floor it can melt through support columns.
Lithium batteries were a really bad idea for cars. There is so much potential energy and potential for fire. We should have waited for electric vehicles, so that a mature and safe battery technology would have had time to evolve.
Yes. N i just wanna add… N i cant believe i have to mention this but here we go: Gas/diesel are safe as long as one component of the fire triangle isnt present. For gas/diesel, TWO components are absent: ignition source n oxygen. For a gasoline to car to damn explode like in this vid, means the car cabin needed to be saturated with vaporized gasoline, n that can only happen if theres a combo of fuel leaking INTO the cabin n relatively high air temp. N then u need a spark, which means a worn n “hot” wireloom or a really bad battery. For lithium packs? The oxygen is already there. All it needs is a spark and some overheated battery cells. Yes, it is very rare for BEVs to catch fire,, but damn its very easy for them to catch fire, n without warning too. For ICE, u really have to diliberately want to set it on fire (lack of maintainance, really old cars with bad wiring, overheated engines), n the signs (the actual smell of gasoline) are there to warn u.
Chevron Literally sued the Toyota Rav4 EV, with NiMH batteries, out of existence. NiMH batteries have about half the energy density as Li-ion; but are perfectly adequate for the average commute in the US (about 100miles of range). GM sold Texaco the battery patents after recalling and crushing the EV-1 fleet. They EV-1's weren't needed after the California Zero emission mandate was defeated.
@@jamesphillips2285 i recall this… didnt read it in full detail though. How did toyota pull off the prius all those years ago, since its also using Nimh?
Who the heck build an underground parking garage with highly flamable ceiling. At this point it didn't matter if it was an electric car or not. Only 1 fire was needed to wipe out the whole garage.
the question is what was this material and how flamable was it.... i see two possibiltiys: a) someone ignored safety regulations and used a flamable material (or neglected the upkeep like applying flame proofing spray every 2 years or something like that) b) the material was up to code at the time the structure was set up and now they realize that since than somebody replaced a 600-800°C ICE-car fire hassard with a shiny new green 1200-1600°C EV-car fire hassard which overwhelms the flame retarding properties of that ceiling-material
@@novacat3032 No fire retardant material that is up to code can spread fire as such. The immediate area above the EV would be charred or melted, but it wouldn't just spread to the whole garage in seconds raining down fire everywhere. That suggest highly flammable material...
We have some, alkiline, NiCd, NiMH but those are just many times to weak to handle a full sized car. Even current EV batteries are considered not dense enough. There some works on different lithium units but I can't remember full name.
Was also trained on fires - main point is if the fire is too large for your fire extinguisher, don't try to play hero, just get out and help others evacuate.
EVs really are raising so me=any questions. How about tunnels? There is the one Musk has built over in Las Vegas which is very claustrophobic. Also how about some of the long tunnels in Europe, under the Alps and under the English Channel?
Not just tunnels but communities surrounded by forests like in Canada. If they go up on the highway and start a forest fire, in my community there’s only one way out and that’s south and if we can’t go south then we are literally trapped. This has happened several years ago though it was likely from an ATV or someone’s campfire. We lost around 1/3 of our community.
I saw a documentary from korean tv about this fire now on RUclips. It was a Mercedes that did all the damage. People can not live in the house from my understanding and Mercedes donated something around $34k USD in total to help with aid of the residents.. (which must be seen as a joke...) I did not understand everything, but it sounds like Mercedes lied about what battery they used or something (can be wrong) they talked about a CATL battery which I understand should not be in the car. Edit : sorry, the CATL battery was supposed to be in the car, but it was of FARASIS which was the same battery that 4 other Mercedes that cought fire in Korea also had.
I wouldn't put one of these in my garage attached to the place my family sleeps. Can you imagine if all of those cars were electric & this happened?? That apartment building would have dropped like 911. So much for "green" vehicles.
@@maxgomila8209 Those generally don’t use the same types of cheap, poorly designed batteries and power supplies. Secondly, their energy potential and thus catastrophic failure is much less likely.
What are the fire blankets made of? I used to have one that welders used to use and it was completely fire proof. It had asbestos woven in with some other synthetic fabric. It looked and felt like a heavy moving pad, but not as soft. And it was heavy. Unfortunately, with the discovery of asbestos hazards these types of blankets were discontinued.
How do I protect my regular car in an open parking lot. It seems, no matter how far from the entrance I park, an EV/hybrid finds its way to park next to me. 🤔
Individual car owners may end up being liable for damages much higher than typical insurance coverages currently required by governments. Can you imagine getting hit with a $20 million dollar verdict - of course you might be able to go into bankruptcy but not all assets would be protected. I can imagine that an owner might be found liable if they fail to heed warnings on not parking underground.
@@user-ln7of9gs4sThat may be the case, but what he said at the end makes a BIG difference. EV catches fire. OK, it happens; no biggie. But, the owner was required not to park in the garage due to the fact that he has an EV. He did not heed the requirements. But for that, none of the rest would've happened. Therefore, he is liable for all the damage as a result of his failure to abide by whatever rules and regulations were in place for EVs.
You obviously did not watch the video. * no sprinklers * flammable ceiling * 4:10 "Any vehicle fire in an underground structure like this would have had devastating consequences not just electric vehicles."
@@user-ln7of9gs4s I absolutely agree that any car can burn. I was just bringing up a risk management thought. Statues will probably change and even one of these occurrences may make case law. I am in the US so I presume there will be some pressure after a major loss to try to mitigate the risk. One of these could be building protection changes (probably for new buildings) and the other will be exclusion of EV's that have not been engineered to not go into thermal runaway. I am not at all against EV's I am just discussing risk management issues.
Having a consumer car cover made from the same material as the fire blanket would be good. I wonder if anyone makes one? If you had to park an EV in your garage or parking garage it might slow down the fire a little bit to buy some time so people can evacuate.
I have been in an ICE which was on fire (empty radiator). Just went off the highway, parked it, turned off the engine and it stopped burning immediately. We waited in the car for road side assistance. The car was 25 years old at that point (built in 1994) and needed a lot of work, so it was not worth saving. I think it's pretty hard to get modern ICE vehicles to burn without external factors. There are so many safeguards.
Insurance companies are already paying out A LOT more due to global warming fueled disasters. One parking garage is a lot smaller payout than: - a neighborhood pounded by hail causing damage to both structures and vehicles. - A town burned to the ground by forest fires. - Coastal town being flooded every 10 years.
You might be thinking about oil fires. You can actually put out lithium battery fires with water. You just need a ton of it. You basically have to submerge the battery in water, which isn’t practical for something as big as a car.
@@abramhunsberger3511Sprinklers don't supply a ton of it, hence the comment. As he said though, sprinklers would've probably limited the fire to the EV and maybe a few adjacent cars.
ICE fires are due to either a manufacturing defect, a design flaw (like in the case of some Hyundai engines that leaked fuel on a hot engine block), an improper repair or an accident. In the cases of a manufacturing defect or design flaw, a product recall fixes the cause. As for BEVs, a fire hazard is inherent in them. Therefore BEVs should not be certified for safety and should not be sold to consumers. And if a fire like this happens, the manufacturer should be 100% responsible for the damage. Or the government that issued a safety certificate for the vehicle type that caused the fire (I would prefer the former because governments use taxpayers' money).
My surprise on ICE vehicle fires, as I have read so far is that most of them are actually involving the electrical wiring in the car when it comes to ICE Vehicle fires starting. That’s interesting.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes No contradiction here - if an ICE fire is caused by the wiring, it's either a manufacturing defect or a design flaw or a result of an improper repair. As for BEVs, technically, their fires are also ultimately a result of a design flaw (using Li-ion batteries) or a manufacturing defect (using batteries that have hidden defects that cannot be detected), but in many cases BEV fires are a result of normal use (some batteries can get damaged after being exposed to normal acceleration and vibrations or even by frequent use of fast charging)
I’ve had more than one car leak gas from the carb onto a hot engine. Now this can certainly cause a fire, it’s still not as volatile as a battery fire.
@@dave3657 You'd still have to work on it to get diesel to burn. 90c and all you get is a bad smell. Spilling on exhaust header may be a different story.
What’s going on with sprinklers not working in Korean Parking Garages? In general, I wouldn’t want to do underground parking garages because it would be tough to get down into those sun levels to put out the fire
Thank you for these videos. I would ask you to add some extra warning to civilians. The person who tried to put that fire out with a fire extinguisher, exposed themselves to extremely toxic smoke. Please highlight this to people and direct them to move away from smoke asap.
Wrong. If the grid can handle the supper hour rush, it can handle overnight EV charging (power draw is about the same). Night is typically the low power demand time. Caveats: 1. Some undersized distribution transformers will need to be replaced if overnight EV charging pushes them over their rating for more than 4 hours. 2. This assumes you do NOT charge EVs during the peak demand time during the supper rush.
If you say this as a blanket statement it shows your ignorance. Many countries in the world can easily support EVs with their electrical grid and electricity production. That certainly doesn't mean all countries can do it. Examples of countries capable of it: The Nordic countries, many states in the US and Canada.
@@Ibian666 I actually saved it from when I took the time to work it out: Average commute distance in the US: 42 daily miles Driving to/from work represents 30% of vehicle miles driven, so we can bump up the daily distance to (1/0.3)(42)= 140 Miles 225.308km Assuming 20kWh/100km (typical of a larger EV): (20kWh)(2.25308)=45kWh/night. 45kWh/8hours=5.6kW Typical L2 chargers in NA are 7.7kw (240V, 32A (40A derated 20%)): (45kWh)(1000W/kW)/240V/32A=5.859 hours of charge time. That means that one can plug in their car, wait for peak electrical demand to subside around midnight (this is automated), and still be fully charged by 6AM.
i wouldn’t have expected the ceiling insulation in a parking garage to hold flame seems like a basic fire safety requirement that the insulation not carry the fire off to drop it down onto new fuel
It came out that an employee turned off the sprinkler system after it was activated. Then they decided to reset it but the wiring was damaged at this point by the fire. Korea is now only allowing EVs to be charged to 90% in garages.
Rolled up on one crashed into trees the other day. Had to google battery disconnect locations . By the time i could find one of two the wrecker already pulled it up on the ramptruck. .
Fire blankets will not help once an EV goes up you are not getting close enough to these fires to even attempt to put a fire blanket on it, most wouldn't be big enough anyways and would likely catch on fire itself they aren't meant for such things.
Does anyone have a good source for the actual probabilities of EVs vs gas cars catching fire? Most that I found said EVs were less likely, but a bunch of sources didn’t account for the fact that there are significantly fewer EVs on the road and I didn’t find a straight answer.
Unfortunately we do not have any data on this topic because the fire service is not collecting data properly right now. Here is a video I did on the topic last year: ruclips.net/video/d_SpHvBfzrw/видео.html
No worries. EV fires are GREEN fires
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Looked yellowish orange to me.
Batteries are in phones, TV,s , watches, lawnmowers, laptops, tablets, etc
It is damage that causes batteries to fail, or poor QQ.
Is this supposed to be an "own" or something?
@@napakapa1046 humor
And the media will report: "statistics shows that 1 EV and 100 ICE-cars burns while parked"
That’s actually a really bad statement considering the ratio of EV’s to ICE vehicles.
All the time ignoring the concept of "pro rata".
@@akshonclip except the statistics are for example per 100k vehicles. nobody ignores the ratio.
Whatever you people have to tell yourselves. You've been duped. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
ICE car fires are easy to put out and don’t destroy hundreds of vehicles like some EVs fires in car parks have caused. It only takes one EV to burn hundreds of ICE cars.
1 EV caught fire and then 139 ICE cars caught fire. Now I know why EV bots keep saying ICE cars are more likely to catch fire LOL
Imagine when EVs make up half or more of the passenger vehicle stock.
@@captainottowhen that happens, it will be so severe like a warzone. Suburb burns down due to EV fire, insurance companies will change rules.
ICE cars don't catch fire when they're off and burn your house down. EV's do it regularly.
@@aperitifs No they won't
Insurance companies are already paying out A LOT more due to global warming fueled disasters.
One parking garage is a lot smaller payout than:
- a neighborhood pounded by hail causing damage to both structures and vehicles.
- A town burned to the ground by forest fires.
- Coastal town being flooded every 10 years.
@@joevarga5982exactly
I own an apartment building in NYC and one of the things I have to send out to tenants now is a pamphlet telling them they can't store electric bikes in the building. LOL
Ebike fires in NYC are no joke right now.
@@StacheDTraining I have to go next week and install cameras to make sure none are brought into the building. I don't think any are but you never know.
I'd never be a landlord in NYC. People can just stop paying rent and squat for free for years while you fight them in court.
@@joevarga5982 Trust me I know, but the property appreciation makes it worth it. I know they want my property to eventually tear it down to build new condos etc so whether the people pay me or not is irrelevant.
@@joevarga5982 Landlords make their money in appreciating land values. It is in the name!
That is why you see so many vacant buildings in NYC. Landlords make money whether the buildings are occupied or not.
But lowering rent screws up their financing.
That burning material dropping from the ceiling looks scary but strikingly beautiful at the same time.
I agree. From a distance.
Potential death sentence having that fall on you even in full turn out. It was basically napalm burning and oozing down like that.
The way the flames are raining down down from the ceiling, remind me of the Station nightclub fire. It must be some type of similar hydrocarbon based sound deadening/ insulation material.
"LIQUID HOT MAGMA...!!!"
@@JustPlaneNutzRCit's probably foam or polystyrene insulation
It's a good thing these vehicles are green and do not create pollution or toxic emissions. LOL
Lol right!
so you walk to work?
Only when you love the world and ignore the Truth one can live under such strong delusion.
@@Anomoomin "delusion" is believing in man made climate change, and that if we give the government enough money they can change it...
Not to mention the 'green' mining in new unique environments instead of our already operational mines. It'll be especially 'green' when they mine the seafloor to supply the electronics demand because It'll be out of sight. Oh I forgot, those batteries that 'don't create toxic emissions' and share there heat so generously with everything surrounding are sooooo green they can't be recycled like a lead acid battery.
Your videos should serve as Public Service Announcements! Well done.
one ev caused all that damage. crazy
There’s been more damage than that by far. You can find the videos on RUclips. Luton airport UK, and transport ship EV fire.
@@dscop442 did you see in china a guy taking his e bike down an elevator. the doors shut and he got cooked in an inferno.
I wonder what material was on the ceiling to catch fire like that. Thank you for another great and informative video.
There might be rubber, plastic, or even electrical wiring in the structure of a concrete parking garage.
Just passed my first EV fire today. White smoke all over the damn place and then a flamethrower blast out from under the Tesla.
Ok can we see some proof of that.
@@tonysales3687The first RUclips video I ever saw of an EV becoming a flamethrower was about 2014 I think. I have seen hundreds since. Why are you asking for evidence?
@@tonysales3687 You think I'm lying? The thing was attached to a tow truck, Northbound US19 in Tarpon Springs FL. Probably a lot of them burning after the flooding we just had from Helene.
@@tonysales3687 "we"? Are you 2 elderly folks sitting at 1 computer or something?
@@ericrawson2909 because people lie on the internet, if there is a scource to the statement, or pictures, and one would think there would be, it would corroborate the story, but I bet there is not.
*The political science is settled* these batteries are 100% safe and effective. Signed, Your Dear Leaders
Why are you still leaving your phone right beside your head on flammable furniture while sleeping then?
@@N0xiety I wrap it in aluminum foil that is leftover from making hats....
@@nightdipper5178 So by your logic, batteries are not safe when it suits your views, but also completely safe when it concerns your convenience, got it...
@@N0xiety Ah, there you are! There's at one in every comment section and I didn't even have to look very far.
@@JohnShinn6078 Ah there you are, i didn't have to look at all as the whole comment section is full of your clones anyways.
I'm not going to come down on either BEV or any other fuel side, but when you start asking for "garages to be designed with BEV fires in mind", you instantly cause problems for the 90% of the existing infrastructure, because that shit's just not built for BEV fires, period.
I’m still curious about the flammable material in the concrete parking garage, and apparently, so is the uploader.
You obviously did not watch the video.
* no sprinklers
* flammable ceiling
* 4:10 "Any vehicle fire in an underground structure like this would have had devastating consequences not just electric vehicles."
@@jamesphillips2285 Watch until the end of the video. Even with sprinklers and a concrete ceiling this would have ended badly. There is simply no way to get there in time unless a sprinkler system floods the parking garage.
@@SolAce-nw2hfan adequate sprinkler system would've contained the fire to the car that started it, no need to totally flood the garage
@@spankeyfish No, a sprinkler system is pretty useless against an NMC battery packed in a tight parking garage. Recent tests have shown that an LFP battery fire could be suppressed with a sprinkler system, but most EV's do not have this battery chemistry and the location of the battery pack also puts it out of reach of a standard sprinkler system.
It might buy some time and limit the damage if it is the only EV there.
Safe and affective
And they want all vehicles to be electric?!
EVs are okay for bikes and smaller vehicles like mobility scooters, anything bigger and the problems increase exponentially.
Would still park personal EVs away from the house...
Still take a gas engine over a Chinese one...
@@b_uppy ev bikes and scooters still catch fire. if put in a percentage of exiting it may come out being the same.
All you have to do is look up the videos of them on youtube.
I am not 1 of the people who support EV's as our only choice. I like Internal combustion, but cars catch on fire. Pinto's were blowing up left and right in the 80s. If every IC vehicle fire were covered people would be too scared to drive. The reason this is news is it is new to us.
@@nicoradv3923
That's why I made my comment about storing personal EVs _away_ from the house. It was implied they are still problematic.
That said their problems are on a much smaller scale...
@@Turk_2023
It's an argument different than pure numbers of EVs to ICs catching fire. It's the way EVs catch fire. It's a little poof then it's a big fire that burns hotly for hours and hours and is hard to control. Those can ruin the structural integrity of concrete make it hard to control, and keep from spreading, emit harmful chemicals for much longer, tax infrastructure, etc...
You couldn’t be more CLEAR
You got a mighty mustache. Respect
Hey, the last guy who said that to me got a cup of cold coffee down his neck...🤭
It's the Chet Kelly look.
@@EleanorPeterson old bitter woman
😂😂😂😂
The New Deniers are the EVangelists.
- these contraptions should be illegal. It doesn't work. It was a dumbass idea from the start.
Stop making sense.
You obviously did not watch the video.
* no sprinklers
* flammable ceiling
* 4:10 "Any vehicle fire in an underground structure like this would have had devastating consequences not just electric vehicles."
@@jamesphillips2285 I watched the video. Unlike electric cars, gas-powered cars almost NEVER catch fire when they're parked. EV's are burning peoples homes down.
@@joevarga5982 You are straight up lying there buddy...
…Said countless horse owners when the first automobiles started “invading” their streets. The hate train is so easy for the ignorant to ride.
A working sprinkler system is a must. If the sprinkler system is not working then you need a continuous fire watch capable of providing the equivalent protection of the sprinkler system.
A sprinkler system could never put out an EV fire
@@voxac30withstrat yep but it can keep it from spreading to the structure and other vehicles.
Hundreds of electric vehicles parked together in one place - would a sprinkler system make any difference? I think not.
@@maxgomila8209 A properly designed and operating system can keep the fire from spreading.
The haughty Tesla owners should watch this video.
they can't admit they were wrong
"Only 12 moving parts - sooo safe and reliable". Total lie.
Elon’s fluffs should!
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😂 i watch all of these
I have 255kwh of tesla battery's in my shop
Haughty, what a great word, can’t remember hearing it since I left High school😀
Imagine these fires melting through building foundations...
Fantasy level stuff, we all know jet fuel can’t melt steel :)
@@edc1569Not fantasy. Reality. There was an EV fire awhile back that melted through a concrete floor in a parkade. If it can melt through a floor it can melt through support columns.
@@edc1569 With a little help from C4.
Lithium batteries were a really bad idea for cars. There is so much potential energy and potential for fire. We should have waited for electric vehicles, so that a mature and safe battery technology would have had time to evolve.
Yes. N i just wanna add…
N i cant believe i have to mention this but here we go:
Gas/diesel are safe as long as one component of the fire triangle isnt present. For gas/diesel, TWO components are absent: ignition source n oxygen.
For a gasoline to car to damn explode like in this vid, means the car cabin needed to be saturated with vaporized gasoline, n that can only happen if theres a combo of fuel leaking INTO the cabin n relatively high air temp. N then u need a spark, which means a worn n “hot” wireloom or a really bad battery.
For lithium packs? The oxygen is already there. All it needs is a spark and some overheated battery cells.
Yes, it is very rare for BEVs to catch fire,, but damn its very easy for them to catch fire, n without warning too. For ICE, u really have to diliberately want to set it on fire (lack of maintainance, really old cars with bad wiring, overheated engines), n the signs (the actual smell of gasoline) are there to warn u.
Chevron Literally sued the Toyota Rav4 EV, with NiMH batteries, out of existence.
NiMH batteries have about half the energy density as Li-ion; but are perfectly adequate for the average commute in the US (about 100miles of range).
GM sold Texaco the battery patents after recalling and crushing the EV-1 fleet. They EV-1's weren't needed after the California Zero emission mandate was defeated.
@@jamesphillips2285 i recall this… didnt read it in full detail though. How did toyota pull off the prius all those years ago, since its also using Nimh?
Who the heck build an underground parking garage with highly flamable ceiling. At this point it didn't matter if it was an electric car or not. Only 1 fire was needed to wipe out the whole garage.
you sound vaccinated
the question is what was this material and how flamable was it.... i see two possibiltiys:
a) someone ignored safety regulations and used a flamable material (or neglected the upkeep like applying flame proofing spray every 2 years or something like that)
b) the material was up to code at the time the structure was set up and now they realize that since than somebody replaced a 600-800°C ICE-car fire hassard with a shiny new green 1200-1600°C EV-car fire hassard which overwhelms the flame retarding properties of that ceiling-material
@@novacat3032 No fire retardant material that is up to code can spread fire as such. The immediate area above the EV would be charred or melted, but it wouldn't just spread to the whole garage in seconds raining down fire everywhere. That suggest highly flammable material...
Indeed! It would even be fine for them to use flammable spray foam ceiling if they just had a functioning sprinkler system...
Is flammable carparks common? , Sprinklers turned off with the flammable ceilings would make insurance claims difficult.
Last time I checked, insurance companies are supposed to inspect the properties they insure. It's on them either way.
The solution to this problem is a new battery chemistry that doesn’t burn and/or runaway.
We have some, alkiline, NiCd, NiMH but those are just many times to weak to handle a full sized car. Even current EV batteries are considered not dense enough. There some works on different lithium units but I can't remember full name.
You mean like LiFePO4 in many new EVs? Pay attention.
Thank you for such honest information .
Rain down fire was no exaggeration.
That’s insane how the ceiling went up and then started melting down, never going in an under ground garage again 😦
Thanks
Was also trained on fires - main point is if the fire is too large for your fire extinguisher, don't try to play hero, just get out and help others evacuate.
Another very concise video. Thank you.
Very welcome
I think maybe Korea needs to investigate building standards to ensure they have working sprinklers and aren't lined with highly flammable material.
What a brain fart
EVs really are raising so me=any questions. How about tunnels? There is the one Musk has built over in Las Vegas which is very claustrophobic. Also how about some of the long tunnels in Europe, under the Alps and under the English Channel?
Not just tunnels but communities surrounded by forests like in Canada. If they go up on the highway and start a forest fire, in my community there’s only one way out and that’s south and if we can’t go south then we are literally trapped. This has happened several years ago though it was likely from an ATV or someone’s campfire. We lost around 1/3 of our community.
I would be concerned about an incident in the Vegas tunnels.
there was a ev fire in a chinese tunnel a few months ago, it looked like some dystopian movie when seeing the after math.
Maybe Elon's tunnels aren't so "Boring" after all.
I saw a documentary from korean tv about this fire now on RUclips. It was a Mercedes that did all the damage. People can not live in the house from my understanding and Mercedes donated something around $34k USD in total to help with aid of the residents.. (which must be seen as a joke...) I did not understand everything, but it sounds like Mercedes lied about what battery they used or something (can be wrong) they talked about a CATL battery which I understand should not be in the car. Edit : sorry, the CATL battery was supposed to be in the car, but it was of FARASIS which was the same battery that 4 other Mercedes that cought fire in Korea also had.
I wouldn't put one of these in my garage attached to the place my family sleeps. Can you imagine if all of those cars were electric & this happened?? That apartment building would have dropped like 911. So much for "green" vehicles.
If these EVs keep spontaneously combusting I will actively avoid them in parking situations.
I have banned all e-bikes and scooters from all my rental properties after an e-bike caught fire in a tenant’s living room.
What about lithium-ion batteries in devices like power tools or mobile telephones?
@@maxgomila8209 Those generally don’t use the same types of cheap, poorly designed batteries and power supplies. Secondly, their energy potential and thus catastrophic failure is much less likely.
Flammable ceiling. Wth???
Great Video!
Thanks!
What are the fire blankets made of? I used to have one that welders used to use and it was completely fire proof. It had asbestos woven in with some other synthetic fabric. It looked and felt like a heavy moving pad, but not as soft. And it was heavy. Unfortunately, with the discovery of asbestos hazards these types of blankets were discontinued.
this really makes me think twice about where I'm at in a parking garage
Lithium fires can burn as hot as a cutting torch
A real problem that seems to be ignored because it’s supposed to be the future.
Awesome video.
Crazy
Good video, cant believe that flammable ceiling in a garage .
I'm surprised you only have 22,000 followers, that mustache should bring in at least 100,000
Hopefully one day, but building a following is tough when no one wants to watch you shake your booty.
@@StacheDTraining I think if you shook your booty I would unsubscribe. Lol.
Are you a Village People fan?
How long will the extinguishers and blankets remain on site before they are stolen?
Forgot about the flaming EV.... 1:55 Why is the ceiling of a carpark on fire? Where I live every single carpark like that has a concrete ceiling.
How do I protect my regular car in an open parking lot.
It seems, no matter how far from the entrance I park, an EV/hybrid finds its way to park next to me. 🤔
Keep your nice car for weekend and drive 10+ years old car weekdays.
Check for a working sprinkler system.
Maybe ask questions if you don't see any inspection tags dated in the past 2 years or so.
Easy .. educate yourself on the subject. Data, facts, reliable sources of information will set you free.
@@solarguy4850 EVs are dangerous. That's all I need to know.
@@Todd-o8n Ignorance won’t help you in life .. but go ahead and see how you do LOL
Individual car owners may end up being liable for damages much higher than typical insurance coverages currently required by governments. Can you imagine getting hit with a $20 million dollar verdict - of course you might be able to go into bankruptcy but not all assets would be protected. I can imagine that an owner might be found liable if they fail to heed warnings on not parking underground.
Stop it. They didn’t do anything to make it catch fire. Any car can burn.
New premium liability insurance products will be required!
@@user-ln7of9gs4sThat may be the case, but what he said at the end makes a BIG difference. EV catches fire. OK, it happens; no biggie. But, the owner was required not to park in the garage due to the fact that he has an EV. He did not heed the requirements. But for that, none of the rest would've happened. Therefore, he is liable for all the damage as a result of his failure to abide by whatever rules and regulations were in place for EVs.
You obviously did not watch the video.
* no sprinklers
* flammable ceiling
* 4:10 "Any vehicle fire in an underground structure like this would have had devastating consequences not just electric vehicles."
@@user-ln7of9gs4s I absolutely agree that any car can burn. I was just bringing up a risk management thought. Statues will probably change and even one of these occurrences may make case law. I am in the US so I presume there will be some pressure after a major loss to try to mitigate the risk. One of these could be building protection changes (probably for new buildings) and the other will be exclusion of EV's that have not been engineered to not go into thermal runaway. I am not at all against EV's I am just discussing risk management issues.
Why would any engineer design a flammable material parking garage is beyond my understanding.
Could been plastic plumbing sewer pipes which are dry most of the time.
Maybe a contractor cheaped out on materials, or messed up buying the wrong fire rating?
Living above an incendiary bomb with an unknown fuse time. How long before multiple people are killed. What's the answer though?
Damn raining fire, scary as hell!
What brand car started it?
Also ... never park next to an EV!
One of the reasons why I'll never be sold on EVs.
I wonder how long it will be before insurance companies stop coverage for EVs and EV owners house insurance.
Just think you're driving a time bomb, not a electric car.
Having a consumer car cover made from the same material as the fire blanket would be good. I wonder if anyone makes one? If you had to park an EV in your garage or parking garage it might slow down the fire a little bit to buy some time so people can evacuate.
Just imagine a child in a car seat next to that car that just go up like that and being helped because you can't get to them
But in movies the ICE vehicles always explode into big fireballs.
And guns fire endlessly without reloading.
I have been in an ICE which was on fire (empty radiator). Just went off the highway, parked it, turned off the engine and it stopped burning immediately. We waited in the car for road side assistance.
The car was 25 years old at that point (built in 1994) and needed a lot of work, so it was not worth saving.
I think it's pretty hard to get modern ICE vehicles to burn without external factors. There are so many safeguards.
I called them banning EV's from parking structures and insurance becoming too expensive for them making them impractical...well, well, well.
Insurance companies are already paying out A LOT more due to global warming fueled disasters.
One parking garage is a lot smaller payout than:
- a neighborhood pounded by hail causing damage to both structures and vehicles.
- A town burned to the ground by forest fires.
- Coastal town being flooded every 10 years.
I thought putting water on these fires (from a sprinkler or hose) makes them worse
You might be thinking about oil fires. You can actually put out lithium battery fires with water. You just need a ton of it. You basically have to submerge the battery in water, which isn’t practical for something as big as a car.
@@abramhunsberger3511Sprinklers don't supply a ton of it, hence the comment. As he said though, sprinklers would've probably limited the fire to the EV and maybe a few adjacent cars.
EV fire - seagoing car and passenger ferry - disaster witing to happen.
Already had a few ferries in Europe burn from just one car.
Not "waiting to happen"; more like "happened a bunch of times already". As well as the loss of at least 2 cargo ships.
honest question. What if there were 10 or 20 hand held fire extinguishers ?
If you need more than 1 extinguisher, you shouldn't be using an extinguisher.
That ‘stache is trying to hypnotize my mind 😵💫😅
ICE fires are due to either a manufacturing defect, a design flaw (like in the case of some Hyundai engines that leaked fuel on a hot engine block), an improper repair or an accident. In the cases of a manufacturing defect or design flaw, a product recall fixes the cause.
As for BEVs, a fire hazard is inherent in them. Therefore BEVs should not be certified for safety and should not be sold to consumers. And if a fire like this happens, the manufacturer should be 100% responsible for the damage. Or the government that issued a safety certificate for the vehicle type that caused the fire (I would prefer the former because governments use taxpayers' money).
My surprise on ICE vehicle fires, as I have read so far is that most of them are actually involving the electrical wiring in the car when it comes to ICE Vehicle fires starting. That’s interesting.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes No contradiction here - if an ICE fire is caused by the wiring, it's either a manufacturing defect or a design flaw or a result of an improper repair. As for BEVs, technically, their fires are also ultimately a result of a design flaw (using Li-ion batteries) or a manufacturing defect (using batteries that have hidden defects that cannot be detected), but in many cases BEV fires are a result of normal use (some batteries can get damaged after being exposed to normal acceleration and vibrations or even by frequent use of fast charging)
I’ve had more than one car leak gas from the carb onto a hot engine. Now this can certainly cause a fire, it’s still not as volatile as a battery fire.
@@dave3657 You'd still have to work on it to get diesel to burn. 90c and all you get is a bad smell. Spilling on exhaust header may be a different story.
your ridiculous logic is astounding. keep telling yourself that.
What’s going on with sprinklers not working in Korean Parking Garages? In general, I wouldn’t want to do underground parking garages because it would be tough to get down into those sun levels to put out the fire
I have an idea. Just ban electric vehicles!
There's one underground parking garage in Finland that banned EVs, local fire department was baffled why the owner wanted that.
This won't stop cars burning down buildings they're inside of.
Wow, what a way to wreck a perfectly good apartment tower!
Excellent
I can understand a car catching fire, the ceiling not so much!
Thank you for these videos. I would ask you to add some extra warning to civilians. The person who tried to put that fire out with a fire extinguisher, exposed themselves to extremely toxic smoke. Please highlight this to people and direct them to move away from smoke asap.
my country just approved the importing of E-Bikes from China ... matter of time before start hearing them bursting into flames
Flammable material on the ceiling of a parking garage? What could go wrong?
Damnnnn, that looks like hell !!
What was that garage made from straw and plastic
excellant info
Glad you liked it
It would be ironic if the flammable material raining down from the ceiling were a vital part of the sprinkler installation.
There isn't even enough electricity to power EVs should they stop making gas run cars
Wrong.
If the grid can handle the supper hour rush, it can handle overnight EV charging (power draw is about the same).
Night is typically the low power demand time.
Caveats:
1. Some undersized distribution transformers will need to be replaced if overnight EV charging pushes them over their rating for more than 4 hours.
2. This assumes you do NOT charge EVs during the peak demand time during the supper rush.
@@jamesphillips2285 Show the math.
If you say this as a blanket statement it shows your ignorance. Many countries in the world can easily support EVs with their electrical grid and electricity production. That certainly doesn't mean all countries can do it.
Examples of countries capable of it: The Nordic countries, many states in the US and Canada.
@@Ibian666 I actually saved it from when I took the time to work it out:
Average commute distance in the US: 42 daily miles
Driving to/from work represents 30% of vehicle miles driven, so we can bump up the daily distance to (1/0.3)(42)= 140 Miles
225.308km
Assuming 20kWh/100km (typical of a larger EV): (20kWh)(2.25308)=45kWh/night.
45kWh/8hours=5.6kW
Typical L2 chargers in NA are 7.7kw (240V, 32A (40A derated 20%)):
(45kWh)(1000W/kW)/240V/32A=5.859 hours of charge time.
That means that one can plug in their car, wait for peak electrical demand to subside around midnight (this is automated), and still be fully charged by 6AM.
@@jamesphillips2285 Wrong metrics. How much can the grid handle?
i wouldn’t have expected the ceiling insulation in a parking garage to hold flame
seems like a basic fire safety requirement that the insulation not carry the fire off to drop it down onto new fuel
The Sprinkler for that case would have made a huge difference since the major problem here wasn’t the car but the sealing of the car park .
Best invention!
That's goingbto leave a mark.
Perhaps we need hot temperature detectors/infrared cameras in underground parking lots? Would that even work, would they give you an early warning?
It came out that an employee turned off the sprinkler system after it was activated. Then they decided to reset it but the wiring was damaged at this point by the fire. Korea is now only allowing EVs to be charged to 90% in garages.
Rolled up on one crashed into trees the other day. Had to google battery disconnect locations . By the time i could find one of two the wrecker already pulled it up on the ramptruck. .
Watch the ev fires from Hurricane Helene.
Lots of them are happening right now.
"let me be clear"... wtf, everyone sounds like everyone else. This is the phrase of the year...
How much Carbon Dioxide was created by this fire and all of the work that will be done to recover and rebuild afterwards?
what about sprinklers?
Fire blankets will not help once an EV goes up you are not getting close enough to these fires to even attempt to put a fire blanket on it, most wouldn't be big enough anyways and would likely catch on fire itself they aren't meant for such things.
TUNNELS ?
It’s my understanding that EV fires sometimes break out a second time well after the original fire was extinguished
I think the problem is that we are so dependent on cars that housing structures need parking garages even in a major city.
Wow!
EV's should only be parked outdoors. Putting one in your garage is ridiculous.
Do any fire departments have a “fire blanket” for EV’s?
Does anyone have a good source for the actual probabilities of EVs vs gas cars catching fire? Most that I found said EVs were less likely, but a bunch of sources didn’t account for the fact that there are significantly fewer EVs on the road and I didn’t find a straight answer.
Unfortunately we do not have any data on this topic because the fire service is not collecting data properly right now. Here is a video I did on the topic last year: ruclips.net/video/d_SpHvBfzrw/видео.html
additionally age is the most common factor in ICE fires so we wont have comparable figures for a while.
iiish keeps getting greener by the hour lol
Wow that went south fast