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  • In the face of the impending climate catastrophe, there has been a growing clamour to repopulate the trillions of trees our planet has lost over the centuries.
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    But large-scale tree planting is not helping, and in some cases it's creating more problems for the environment. Josh Toussaint-Strauss discusses how we've been getting tree planting wrong, and what we should be doing instead to safeguard precious ecosystems and reduce greenhouse gases
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  • @everythingmatters6308
    @everythingmatters6308 2 года назад +843

    Who was put in charge of making these colossally ignorant decisions? I'm just a home gardener and even I know better than to plant monocultures and non natives. The incompetence is mind blowing.

    • @thalassaer4137
      @thalassaer4137 2 года назад +25

      Naive ones who wanted help save or atleast slow/halt climate change

    • @chrismccaffrey8256
      @chrismccaffrey8256 2 года назад +21

      People who have no real insight into how nature works. "A tree is a tree." mentality. Because they are only looking at it from the perspective of carbon sequestration, rather than the other, perhaps even more important, functions and benefits of trees.

    • @Waldemarvonanhalt
      @Waldemarvonanhalt 2 года назад +79

      People want to be performative rather than stop to think a bit.

    • @bogusmcbogus2637
      @bogusmcbogus2637 2 года назад +49

      People who want to cut these trees down for timber down the road... and their lobbyists in governments.

    • @mrwess1927
      @mrwess1927 2 года назад +1

      @@Waldemarvonanhalt justhaveathink

  • @JM-yf3ol
    @JM-yf3ol 2 года назад +1513

    In permaculture we learn that the tree canopy is but one level in an ecosystem. You have shrubs, ground crops like herbs, and roots, etc.
    Reducing everything to one element always has negative side effects. Focus on creating a biodiverse mini-ecosystems. Don’t just focus on trees.

    • @Wein_Cy
      @Wein_Cy 2 года назад +48

      That's why miyawaki reforestation is a thing. It is a kind of process in reforestation that starts with small shrubs then moves on with small trees to medium sized trees than on with large trees. It's very effective in reforesting at that it promotes more biodiversity. 1 note it is also important to plant native trees so..... goodluck

    • @codniggh1139
      @codniggh1139 2 года назад +11

      @@gk7754 but grasslands are also needed, and they have even more diversity by aq meter than rainforsts, so also grasses are needed, but native grasses.

    • @PaleGhost69
      @PaleGhost69 2 года назад +25

      @@codniggh1139 Citation needed. Also lawn = / = grassland.

    • @Jolene8
      @Jolene8 2 года назад +7

      There was an awesome Ted talk on permaculture focusing on native biodiversity, by an Indian engineer who became somewhat of an ecologist, several years ago. It was one of the best lectures I have listened to.

    • @ristekostadinov2820
      @ristekostadinov2820 2 года назад +10

      permaculture also contains building ponds storing water in the soil, instead of wasting drinking water on irigation

  • @ComputerRouter
    @ComputerRouter 2 года назад +894

    Protecting the forest we already have and small tree sites greening urban areas are the best things to do
    Large scale monoculture planting can be ill-fated, no matter how well intended

    • @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns
      @Banana_Split_Cream_Buns 2 года назад +25

      The greening of the urban areas don't add much to the global budget, but in our urban hellscapes, they do remind us of the land and biota we are supposed to be connected to and.

    • @hansolowe19
      @hansolowe19 2 года назад +7

      Why not plant trees but plant diverse trees? For example all the trees that naturally live in the UK (or another country), in the % they would occur.
      How would that not work?
      And if they don't want to plant/reforest, why should we plant trees in cities and environs?
      I don't get it.
      We know we're cutting too many, how would replanting lost amazonian forest be bad? It takes hundreds of years to naturally grow back and the 21st century doesn't have hundreds of years.. Also the trees would help animals, which we are also destroying en masse.
      There are examples of individuals or small groups that planted huge swathes of forest over decades, so that even tigers and elephants returned where they were gone before.

    • @dorianleakey
      @dorianleakey 2 года назад +11

      I agree monoculture is bad, but the reasoning around the albedo affect in a planted forest in Israel was bizarre. Warming the planet by absorbing heat? Its absorbing heat and carbon and locking it in, not warming the air, the reflected heat from the desert is warming the air.

    • @limbodog
      @limbodog 2 года назад +7

      Yeah, but sometimes the forests we need to protect most are populated by armed rebels or impoverished people who will turn around and cut down the trees as soon as you leave. Rainforests are mostly in problematic areas for conservation. There's nothing wrong with trying to aforest an area if, as the video points out, it's done right.

    • @MrKorton
      @MrKorton 2 года назад +3

      Monoculture has it's place. It's basically industrial crop.

  • @MegaSnail1
    @MegaSnail1 2 года назад +260

    Such an important message. Thank you from an old botanist working to develop a native California plant nursery to promote just what you have described. Be well and thank you.

    • @Gurci28
      @Gurci28 2 года назад +1

      'The United States forest products industry accounts for approximately four percent of the nation's total manufacturing GDP, producing over $200 billion in products every year.' Jul 29, 2021
      Source: USDA

    • @Gurci28
      @Gurci28 2 года назад

      1:25

    • @MegaSnail1
      @MegaSnail1 2 года назад +1

      @@Gurci28 I wonder how climate change will effect those numbers?

    • @paralleluniverse7581
      @paralleluniverse7581 Год назад

      That's a great initiative!

  • @MrBoliao98
    @MrBoliao98 2 года назад +219

    The monoculture thing happened in Singapore in the 1980s. After we over planted Angsana Trees in the 1970s, we had a viral pandemic that left us without tree canopies to shade us.

    • @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
      @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 2 года назад +13

      yeah same issue with elms in north american cities

    • @MrBoliao98
      @MrBoliao98 2 года назад +1

      @@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 :(

    • @winters4960
      @winters4960 Год назад +1

      Angsana still the go to tree for indonesia gov lol. Fast in growing but Easy to break and fall down.

  • @use_less43210
    @use_less43210 Год назад +36

    I tried to speak out about a large county park district that was participating in one of the global tree planting programs. Their parks were already mostly woodlands, were covered with invasive Amur Honeysuckle (which prevented new seedling trees from starting), and they were planting the trees in the few remaining meadows they had to support pollinators. Everyone rolled their eyes, and told me to shut up.

  • @spencer1980
    @spencer1980 2 года назад +325

    Trees generally grow very slowly. Not all of course, but the big ones are slow growers. I love that you mentioned Peat lands. They naturally develop quite slowly, but hold a tremendous amount of carbon. Revitalizing our wetlands (which have probably been the most devastated of all the ecosystems, second maybe to coral), even Peat, could be done quite fast with the right interventions.

    • @JA238979
      @JA238979 2 года назад +9

      Revitalizing ecosystems is free if they are simply left alone to recover from hardship naturally. Just like the phytoplankton that have been responsible for most photosynthesis on Earth since before plants even existed, they do well without human intervention.

    • @spencer1980
      @spencer1980 2 года назад +5

      @@JA238979 this is also why I despise renewable energy. Because of course, what our planet needs is MORE massive tracts of developed land. Please, build a 3,000 acre solar farm. Nothing could go wrong with that.

    • @michaeldeslex9834
      @michaeldeslex9834 2 года назад +7

      I am so glad to see people who think rationally about this subject. Carbon sequestration is dominantly done by the oceans, and the temperatures of the oceans are the cause of the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, not the consequence. It is so absurd to see all these renewable energy projects that are so unreliable when it comes to energy and so bad for the environment. I miss the old days when we actually cared about saving the environment and talked about actual problems and not this co2 bs that always seem to have "economy" attached to it.

    • @JA238979
      @JA238979 2 года назад

      @@michaeldeslex9834 Thank you for your thoughtful response! There is much more liquid water than gas on this planet by mass, as you know, nobody knows the temperature of it all, measurements of temperature variations are rarely shown in degrees K, corresponding graphs are always cropped, illusory correlations and limited data are represented as objective truths, and we would all die if there were not enough CO2 in the atmosphere. Europe had a shortage of purified CO2 a few months ago, for that matter. :)

    • @Exderius
      @Exderius 2 года назад +2

      Yeah, I want to restore the redwood forests, with other species of trees and animals of course. Allowing the mycorrhiza to thrive

  • @whoisxandra
    @whoisxandra 2 года назад +47

    In my country we've been promoting Assisted Natural Regeneration as an alternative. It also provides a livelihood especially for indigenous communities.

  • @ajoc1070
    @ajoc1070 2 года назад +71

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is why I roll my eyes every time I hear "we need to plant more trees", as it's said in the video it's ecosystems not just trees that store carbon. We need to allow space for ecosystems.

    • @sarcohuman8147
      @sarcohuman8147 2 года назад +5

      Yes i agree strongly but in environment where trees where depleted we need to plant forest manually as long as we plant it high native biodiversity

  • @rojassoul
    @rojassoul 2 года назад +48

    The example on Costa Rica is out of context. Nobody is clearing land to plant trees. The country has gained more than 30% land area in forests and legal framework and enforcement make it virtually impossible to clear already existing forest

    • @paulplantu
      @paulplantu 2 года назад +8

      Yeah that example was really dumb, the Costa Rican government would be all over that if it was the case

    • @sarcohuman8147
      @sarcohuman8147 2 года назад

      Nah trust me costa rica is a loose place ive lived there the government dosent have enough power people still poach all the time and kids sit in the front seat of cars without a seatbelt. But at the same time atleast where i live hardly anyone cuts down forest to plant it back

    • @thiccityd9773
      @thiccityd9773 2 года назад

      @@sarcohuman8147 Uhh, how is that relevant?

    • @sarcohuman8147
      @sarcohuman8147 2 года назад

      @@thiccityd9773 how isnt it

  • @CplusO2
    @CplusO2 2 года назад +17

    The key, we have found, is to let Nature take the lead. Observation is the basis of all learning.

  • @sebastianhuvenaars6537
    @sebastianhuvenaars6537 2 года назад +55

    Thanks for this take on an interesting topic.
    Observing how nature develops a stretch of open soil there's a rather specific order in which things start to grow. Grasses and herbs in the first year, as they start covering the soil in a protective layer of biological material. Then faster growing tree species and shrubs transcend this base layer. Willow, birch, hawthorn where I live.
    The more biological material is added to the future forest floor, and the more shade is cast, the better its capacity to store moisture. A stable moisture content creates en environment in which a healthy microbal world and fungal network can grow. This network supports longer living species like oak and beech, forming a resilient community better able to cope with drought, pests and disease.
    Considering these observations I'm curious if the best way of "starting" a forest might not simply be putting baby trees into the ground but more so laying the foundations on which a future forest can build itself. To add, grasses, herbs, seeds and time. To start the proces, or system that is a forest.

    • @chrismccaffrey8256
      @chrismccaffrey8256 2 года назад +4

      Considering that basically every scrap of land in the UK, where i live, has moisture and grass etc, particularly where the tree are planted, the first step you describe is there. Here, it only took and few years for willows and birch to establish themselves on a new bit of land, and most recently, a baby oak, from a Jay's acorn. Rather than only letting things come in naturally, which will be slower, we can jumpstart the process. The environment and ecology shifts much faster.

    • @sarcohuman8147
      @sarcohuman8147 2 года назад +3

      Just letting all trees grow back wont work as we have seen what happened in iceland we just need to plant native trees and trees that have high biodiversity

  • @jebbo-c1l
    @jebbo-c1l 2 года назад +115

    to allow natural regeneration of forest, countries like the UK have to decrease grazing pressure of deer and sheep. There are way too many deer and theyre eating all the saplings. If the UK reintroduced extinct predators like the Lynx or Wolf, they could help forests comeback like they did in Yellowstone

    • @claudiaxander
      @claudiaxander 2 года назад +3

      Bring back the Neanderthals!

    • @jimcrelm9478
      @jimcrelm9478 2 года назад +16

      I used to be against deer and pigeon hunting on the basis that taking pleasure in killing another creature corrupts a person's conscience. Now I think about what working in a slaughterhouse often does to people (PTSD, high rates of domestic violence and alcoholism, injuries, contagious diseases) and about livestock welfare, and I wonder whether deer hunting might be the least of our worries. Most hunter-gatherer societies had rituals to be at peace with the animal lives they took.
      But if we all ate 50% less meat then there would be far fewer problems as a result of the livestock industry - including carbon and methane emissions. By going vegan one day a week, people could gradually get better at making vegan meals and getting the right nutrition. And making meals together - like Britian's National Food Service groups do (no connection to the government, people organised it themselves) can help pass down skills and recipes. Unfortunately, most governments only know one way of limiting consumption, and that is by having prices increase. That cannot work. Everyone should make the same effort. But rationing won't happen in my lifetime.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 2 года назад +9

      Thankfully there are proposals the government is assessing to reintroduce lynx in Scotland, not sure about south of the border. It’s not just early stages, there’s discussions about how much to pay farmers if they get livestock eaten and stuff like that. I’m really hopeful it could work, they’re basing it off of successful lynx reintroductions on the mainland.

  • @jandoel
    @jandoel Год назад +6

    I got to visit a conifer farm in Guatemala. The owners who had recieved a government grant to plant it, had decided to let it revert back into a native temperate forest. It blew my mind that the government thought conifers would be economically viable between the inopportune climate and soil, they would make returns selling softwood. Usually my main gripe with conifers stands is that they aren't developed after they are planted and you end up with hundreds of small trees and lack of undergrowth development. It was kinda neat to see nature doing the job itself.

  • @importantname
    @importantname 2 года назад +30

    that is called a farm. not a forest

  • @anxen
    @anxen 2 года назад +195

    The fact that the tree commission approved the planting clearly bad for the ecosystem is everything you ever need to know about our chance to not be terrible humans

    • @mitchmitchell3142
      @mitchmitchell3142 2 года назад +1

      So should they have left it totally baren??

    • @lolmaker777
      @lolmaker777 2 года назад +6

      @@mitchmitchell3142 Yes, They should have left nature do it's own thing there without interference from us.

    • @guycross493
      @guycross493 2 года назад +12

      @@mitchmitchell3142 exactly what the video said, leave it to mother nature and protect it from human intervention

    • @unknownweirdo077
      @unknownweirdo077 Год назад

      @@guycross493 Doesn't work as proven in Iceland.

    • @B..P..
      @B..P.. 5 месяцев назад

      @@guycross493 Leave it mother nature LOL
      So naive....

  • @slowp100
    @slowp100 2 года назад +14

    This simplifies forestry too much. In my part of the world, logging is not deforestation, unless it is done for development or farming. We have strict laws requiring reforestation. Much of our forest leans towards being a monoculture if left on it's own. On the one side of the mountains, and this is at the lower elevations, Red Alder will seed in, and be followed by Douglas-fir if left to nature. So, we plant Doug-fir and nature will add other seedlings like Western Hemlock and Western Red Cedar, if we don't plant those. Monoculture is a thing of the past due to outbreaks of Swiss needle cast. The trees that are planted are grown for specific sites and elevations. It's a much deeper topic than a short video can cover.

    • @robbo448
      @robbo448 2 года назад +2

      Exactly this.
      Some fair points made but much missed. Nothing said of UK conifer plantations producing high quality construction timber that locks up carbon, creates a lot of jobs and reduces the amount of timber we bring in (we import 80% of our wood). With careful planning and execution, we can create forests that deliver both productivity and ecological enhancement. That process will not be summarised in a five minute video that massively simplifies a subject that is as complicated as forest management.

  • @michaelrch
    @michaelrch 2 года назад +37

    The natural rewilding option is a win win
    Low cost, low intervention, better biodiversity and less side effects
    And it's much faster than people think. Forests can do a lot of their regeneration in just 20 years, though they take up to a hundred years to recover fully.
    We just need the land back from the animal agriculture industry!!

    • @codniggh1139
      @codniggh1139 2 года назад +3

      mmm no, it's a big mistake to blame animal industry because industrial beef is made in tight spaces, not in farmlands. And it's also a big mistake that also natural woods are the best option, grasslands needs to be restored, and they sequester more carbon in soil than forests in soil and wood. And the only way to regenerate grasslands is with animals, whether it might be bisons or other rustic animals like water buffalo or even cattle, using regenerative grazing. By far, the agriculture uses more land and destroy more. And there is also silviculture, where they use trees and grazing and this regenerate soils, so, no, animals are not the problem they can be used to regenerate landscapes much, much faster than when letting nature alone, there have been many successful projects around the world.

    • @michaelrch
      @michaelrch 2 года назад +5

      @@codniggh1139
      Animal Ag uses over 80% of land and produces less than 20% of our food.
      Please go read Poore et al 2018. If everyone at a plant-based diet, we could reduce the amount of land we use by 3/4 - an area 3x the size of the USA. Fir the average person living in the global north, the biggest thing you can do to reduce your carbon footprint and your impact on the environment is stop eating meat.
      I can quote you chapter and verse on the studies here. Also read Clarke et al 2020. There is no way to get to a stable climate without a dramatic reduction in animal Ag.

    • @martinhoffmann1063
      @martinhoffmann1063 2 года назад +3

      @@codniggh1139 Where is the food that feeds industrial cattle grown, I wonder? Regenerative grazing will certainly play a role in solving the climate crisis, but the cutting down of rain forests to plant soy and other grain for factory cattle will need to end. And that, of course, means eating less beef.

    • @codniggh1139
      @codniggh1139 2 года назад +1

      @@martinhoffmann1063 that's totally false, it's a myth that all that soy goes to cattle and all those grains. There is an excessive and artificial supply because subdisidies, that you have even corn being used for ethanol. Then you have a very big industry of soy products that are not edible, and btw we can use all those parts of the plants that we can't eat, cow can eat it or other animals and you will have all that demand covered, but obviously they don't use that. Reality is that most of that grains are for humans not cattle.

    • @joaquimbarbosa896
      @joaquimbarbosa896 2 года назад

      Its not that easy. The fastest growing species of animals and plants would end up dominatting almost every ecossystem

  • @rootandbranchbranch6299
    @rootandbranchbranch6299 2 года назад +39

    Planting the " right tree in the right place" in urban areas is immensely difficult. And ironically even when you succeed, they're then poorly - protected by the UK planning system.

  • @dzanc
    @dzanc 2 года назад +6

    Please actually put the link in the description

  • @reforest4fertility
    @reforest4fertility 2 года назад +23

    So stopping clearcut logging is more important than actual reforestation efforts, AKA tree planting is what I got from this vid. As a priority, yes, but only really in as far as giving point to forest restoring efforts. I can only see clearcut logging ending if it benefited people local to those forests. So switching it off for selection logging that doesn't highgrade, so to protect relative old growth & to maintain canopy to restore nature's inland hydrology, particularly in the lead up to slopes & the treed slopes themselves so the transpiration piles up overhead into rainclouds that wont overwhelm into floods, but only gently, slower. Slow can do it: restore fertility. Also, dilution is the solution to pollution, as often said. Forests make fresh water in abundance without flooding. Didn't Biden say he would get to zero by 2050. There's no better way but for Canada & the US to make this a pact over the Columbia Basin Treaty talks. Please folks, advocate for this. This way both Canada & US citizens benefit from this greatly. Forests stabilize the climate...

    • @anniehuckaby2649
      @anniehuckaby2649 Год назад +1

      I would like to say, overall clearcutting is better than selection forestry, when done through the regulations already set in place. Selection forestry has much higher rates of compaction, erosion, and stream sedimentation which damages site quality immensely. Also, modern day clear-cuts do not clear every single tree from a site, streams and waterways are heavily protected, "snags" which are dead trees important for many wildlife are protected, and modern practice works extremely hard to prevent the negative effects associated with logging.
      Every state in the United States has BMPs (Best Management Practices), in some states they are mandatory and some they are not, but in the ones where they are not mandatory they still undergo constant inspect and if they fall behind they will loose their certification (SFI, SFC, etc.) if an area looses it's certification it is almost impossible to sell the timber that comes from it.
      Yes, there are ways we can improve forestry here in the United States, issues like monoculture planting are very real, but what I can say, as someone who has almost completed my degree in forestry is that we are working diligently to ensure the sustainability and longevity of our forests.

  • @judeirwin2222
    @judeirwin2222 2 года назад +5

    Monoculture is terrible, whether it’s a green grass lawn without any other plants or flowers or huge plantations of eucalypts.

    • @joaquimbarbosa896
      @joaquimbarbosa896 2 года назад

      Its a terrible thing that we need btw

    • @MrKorton
      @MrKorton 2 года назад +1

      It's a crop to harvest and has it's place.

  • @glennireland163
    @glennireland163 Год назад +3

    The massive tree planting program in China has been helpful. They were historically forestlands cleared and turned barren and scrubby. Tree planting was needed to prevent erosion. If left to regeneration. It would have just been shrubs. Now the nation has a timber reserve or can let it be to develop into a natural forest over time.

  • @Mr38thstreet
    @Mr38thstreet 2 года назад +11

    This video was spot on. Thanks for getting the word out on this vital subject.

  • @niallleslie7419
    @niallleslie7419 2 года назад +6

    Thanks for the video - we're weekly subscribers.
    Apart from anything else there is a huge difference between tree planting and tree growing!

  • @shahjahankhan4486
    @shahjahankhan4486 Год назад +1

    In my region government planted trees along the main road but after a few years they were cut down by people for infrastructure like hotels shops etc so that money and those trees just got wasted .

  • @AlanRPaine
    @AlanRPaine Год назад +1

    I remember seeing about 50 years ago an area of Scotland where they were regenerating forest merely by fencing of land to exclude grazing animals.

    • @carelgoodheir692
      @carelgoodheir692 Год назад +1

      Yes, I know a few spots where this was very effectively done in Scotland. But it's not a large scale answer for much of the northwest of the country because vast areas have been entirely deforested over centuries - there aren't the 'granny trees' to provide the seed.

  • @SoNoFTheMoSt
    @SoNoFTheMoSt Год назад +1

    Thats crazy they would give more to plant trees than look after the existing trees. It takes a very long time for a tree to actually start removing carbon dioxide and storing it, unless a tree reaches well into maturity it will have a negative impact. Some arboriculturalists say if we take better care of all the trees we have, we will offset more carbon than planting millions of trees, especially after some very dry summers there are huge swathes of young dead trees around many highways developments.

  • @bethw1205
    @bethw1205 2 года назад +10

    Can you share the link referenced at the end please? 🌳👍

    • @theGuardian
      @theGuardian 2 года назад +2

      They're in the description. Apologies for leaving them out at first.

  • @murrayscott3513
    @murrayscott3513 Год назад +2

    Just like when it comes to health, people are given a quick easy choice ( pill) and told that the problem will go away. The people that make the mess probably aren't the one to fix the problem.

  • @isshiomi6364
    @isshiomi6364 Год назад +1

    I am from small town which is 550 km away from Mumbai, India....In our area govt started experiment of Miyawaki forest comprising local trees only on small pieces of land...and now after 5 years we see these forests have grown around 25 - 30 feet...Surprusingly survival rate is 85- 90% which is way above normal one of 30 - 40 %..
    Isha Foundation , with the help of it's lakhs of followers , in the south India has planted millions of fruit trees, Teak wood trees throughout Tamilnadu and most of the trees have grown up quite well....
    A very famous Bollywood actor Amirkhan , his wife Kiran Rai started a NGO Paani Foundation ( Paani means water) ..This foundation implemented a Watershed project throughout Maharashtra state..Many videos r Available on RUclips

  • @kieranfellowes8940
    @kieranfellowes8940 2 года назад +4

    Re establishing ecosystems is pretty hard and gonna take time but we can do it!

  • @toma1153
    @toma1153 2 года назад +2

    I've been a tree planter and the industry is destructive in many ways, the non native pines are often treated with pesticides and planted with fertiliser. All of which damage the ecosystem and absorb through the soil into the water. Once the trees are planted every year they are sprayed with a ring of Monsanto's Roundup which kills frogs, toads and everything in its path it also never escapes the food chain once the chemical has passed through prey to predator etc. On the otherside every time we plant pines we plant native hardwoods such as oak, alder, birch etc but this isn't enough. Now we have left the EU, regulations will change and not for the benefit of the environment but for the economy. A lot of harmful agro chemicals are banned under EU regulations but legal in the US market etc we will see a lot more of these harmful chemicals sprayed on our lands as big companies move in for the contracts. Forestry can be a sustainable industry it's just run by backwards people. many new planters I see have great ideas of how you could easily manage land and profit off the timber but still maintain a balanced ecosystem.

  • @user-uo2kq1mv8q
    @user-uo2kq1mv8q Год назад +1

    I do like the idea of natural forest regeneration and allowing forests to expand but then I also think about how so many of our forests, especially ones near urban or industrial areas, are severely disturbed, struggling and resource depleted. It can't just be allowing those forests to expand, there must be an increased focus on learning and practicing how to revitalize the forests we have. A lot of this comes from indigenous knowledge. Additionally, the invasive tree/shrub removal process can be really intensive and would be a larger and longer term project.

  • @muthukumaranl
    @muthukumaranl 2 года назад +5

    What an excellent & eye-opening piece...thanks Guardian!

  • @PrototypeCreation
    @PrototypeCreation 2 года назад

    that is the single best piece of explanation on afforestation strategies that I`ve seen in 15 years

  • @salmankazme
    @salmankazme Год назад +3

    Great initiative. This video is helpful.
    We have been plantings trees for last two years on waste lands and their survival is only 20percent. Will definitely do better after adopting this plantation strategy. 💯

  • @dragoonzen
    @dragoonzen Год назад +1

    Yes, planting in urban areas. I have planted 6 trees in my front yard and 3 more trees in my backyard. Wish all my neighbors will do the same.

    • @h00db01i
      @h00db01i Год назад

      the whole comedy of life unfolds in and around such trees, one may then consider oneself truly a "man of culture"

  • @cogwheel5287
    @cogwheel5287 2 года назад +7

    Another important thing to add is that the older a tree is the more carbon it absorbs!
    Currently big forestry companies are trying to spread the opposite belief to justify their doings. In New Zealand for example you can clear plots of native Bush if you establish a pine forest monoculture afterwards. They will always try to twist the truth around to seem like environmentalists.
    Thank you for this important video.

  • @Planet_Cents
    @Planet_Cents Год назад +1

    It is indeed important to understand the right geographical areas, species and climate to even plant a tree, with climate change on rise there are many people with no knowledge on forest management and planting wrong trees are very dangerous, we agree 100%.
    We will go ahead to add this in our planet cents playlist to inspire more people. ~Team PlanetCents

  • @madtusk392
    @madtusk392 2 года назад +4

    Yes we love trees

  • @danabanana4408
    @danabanana4408 Год назад +1

    natural forest regeneration takes a lot of time, you can plant natural forests but it takes a little more than "bare minimum" of effort and knowledge to know what to plant, and to take care of it for a year while it sets up.

  • @joaquimbarbosa896
    @joaquimbarbosa896 2 года назад +2

    Ecosia plants native trees in developing countries with their profits

  • @ladydara7446
    @ladydara7446 2 года назад +1

    We lack nuance. Restore native habitat. You can do that in your yard. Don't rake the leaves in your backyard, that's an easy start.

  • @hhmediaent
    @hhmediaent 2 года назад +1

    You need a whole symphony of plants that all work with each other.

  • @charlesward8196
    @charlesward8196 Год назад +1

    People are always after quick, simple fixes, rather than long-term sustainability. This is especially true with people who think that they can be absolved of their environmental sins through the purchase of the “indulgence” of corporate mono-culture tree planting.
    “Fast growing,” “deer resistant” and other advertising euphemisms cover up the fact that certain species are invasive destroyers of needed biodiversity.
    Geoff Lawton’s Permaculture efforts have made use of certain trees with invasive characteristics as pioneer species to recover from previous land abuses. Those trees like acacias have deep roots that break up compacted soils, harbor nitrogen fixing bacteria, and grow rapidly to produce organic matter to improve the soil.
    After these goals have been accomplished the acacias are then converted to mulches for the benefit of successional plantings. This requires continued management; you can’t just plant trees, say “problem solved” and then walk away. Bradford Pears, Russian Olives, and Tamarisk, are all species that have ended up causing more problems than they solved.

  • @ChicagoTurtle1
    @ChicagoTurtle1 2 года назад +3

    Even if each person on earth plants 1 tree, scientists say it takes decades for it to become a significance carbon sink. What’s needed first and foremost is reduction of GHGs (CO2 and CH4). Fossil fuels and their political lobbying, the US military, and all the investments given to fossil fuel corporations. Also we need a halt in the cattle industry.

  • @ryanbaker3829
    @ryanbaker3829 Год назад

    Trees do have a lower albedo.. but wouldn’t the canopy absorb that heat and keep the surface cooler?

  • @sarcasmo57
    @sarcasmo57 2 года назад +2

    We are doomed.

  • @blakespower
    @blakespower Год назад +3

    I dont believe that a forest makes a place Hotter, this was proven by the french they chopped down most of teh forests in lower quebec and the climate got warmer

  • @bengreen171
    @bengreen171 Год назад +1

    it's simple - the people in charge don't understand that there is more than one type of tree, or that a wood is simply a bunch of trees bunched together. They literally can't see the wood for the trees.

  • @sarcohuman8147
    @sarcohuman8147 2 года назад +2

    Everyone here dont worry about team trees they dont plant monoculteres and just letting trees grow back wont work as fast or at all please make sure to still plant forests but the right way and the right place not just in urban environments

  • @tvviewer4500
    @tvviewer4500 2 года назад +2

    Should also be considerate of the fungal transfers with planting each of these trees.

    • @damienkendrick1457
      @damienkendrick1457 2 года назад

      Yes everyone needs to know the symbiotic relationship

  • @ohjem3036
    @ohjem3036 Год назад

    A conservation biologist we have this argument all the time. The “it depends” and well it will always depend on how is this going to be affective down the line towards climate change and biodiversity

  • @Waldemarvonanhalt
    @Waldemarvonanhalt 2 года назад

    Follow the Dutch and French: Go all-in on NPPs. PV cells and wind turbines are purely performative when you look at how much energy they provide and how reliably they do so etc.

  • @dentistrider3874
    @dentistrider3874 2 года назад +1

    Trees go through a process called respiration, in which they absorb the carbon dioxide from the air, convert it into mass or energy, and then release through it roots, into the soil and back into the atmosphere. Young trees release more carbon dioxide than they absorb, so for the first 20 years of its life, it's a net positive source of carbon. Like was said in the video, we need to preserve the forests we already have.

  • @Tr1Hard777
    @Tr1Hard777 2 года назад +1

    when you plant only pine trees it blocks the undergrowth. which supports smaller plants and animals.

    • @brandon9172
      @brandon9172 2 года назад

      Depends on where they're planted. Pine forests where I live are filled with undergrowth.

  • @weederminb7091
    @weederminb7091 2 года назад +1

    Humans really peace of work we are

  • @vijayrandale8915
    @vijayrandale8915 2 года назад +1

    0:37 i think we doesn't reach at that level to say tree plantation is a problem

  • @TheReddances
    @TheReddances 2 года назад +13

    This is very interesting, and I will follow the links, etc.
    I have read that trees in urban areas can be a problem too for health due to (i) a need to reduce car/industrial emissions, or they get caught up and ingested and (ii) historically the MALE trees have been planted, leading to massive over distribution of pollen and, in turn, the chronic/severe summer allergies

  • @irayz2677
    @irayz2677 2 года назад +4

    Johnny apple seed vs Mother Nature

    • @irayz2677
      @irayz2677 2 года назад

      Hawaii albizia trees killed native plants. The thought of reforestation went out of control. Introducing evasive plants and animals have devastating results
      Our rivers turned to mud and ended up blocking the flow.
      Bought in talapia for mosquito control that eat native fish. Talapias fed the rats.
      Bought in mongoose that don’t wake up to eat rats.
      And it goes on and on.

  • @Vicariously_gifted
    @Vicariously_gifted 2 года назад

    I tend to like the balanced approaches.
    cut less and no clearcuting.

  • @dmitrimikrioukov5935
    @dmitrimikrioukov5935 Год назад

    Where I live the forest is essentially around 90% scots pines. 9 % is larch. Everything else (spruce, fir, birch, aspen, etc) is 1%.

  • @___.51
    @___.51 Год назад

    Rebuilding what was destroyed is going to be a lot harder and more expensive than preserving what we had.

  • @flowers_of_the_desert4305
    @flowers_of_the_desert4305 2 года назад

    It's also nice to talk about agroforestry like those being done here in Brazil with ernet and others like CEPEAS in cerrado

  • @Maurazio
    @Maurazio 2 года назад +2

    REWILD on a large scale, it's that easy

  • @annburge291
    @annburge291 Год назад +2

    Great video. Another error with tree planting is that animal, insect and fungi habitats are often not considered as part of the system. With preserving old growth forests, wild fire flow through the landscape is not often planned for and there is little consideration for preservation of seed and soil preservation and animal protection with the wild fire risk strategy. In cities, where land resources are tight, it's important to consider variety of trees within avenues so that the tree roots don't turn the avenue into a single living organism. Flowering trees provide many more flowers for pollinating insects than low plants and it keeps the bees well out of the way from humans.

  • @petekooshian5595
    @petekooshian5595 2 года назад +1

    Yes thank you!
    Don't grasses sequester more carbon than trees anyway per acre over the course of a tree's lifetime? When properly grazed/cut that is?

    • @petekooshian5595
      @petekooshian5595 2 года назад +2

      And I'm talking about like bamboo and Savannah grass not our lawns

  • @mariotrejos7236
    @mariotrejos7236 2 года назад

    In Costa Rica it is illegal to clear an existing forest,thats why it pays more for farmers to grow tree plantations, but even though, the forests have expanded in the last decades

  • @terranceyeo3087
    @terranceyeo3087 Год назад

    it all depends on whether you are planting for cropping or for eco reasons here in the UK we plant for the environment all in rows so why is it that people are being conned because they will be harvested and not for the future.

  • @whowuzherreyt
    @whowuzherreyt 9 месяцев назад

    (12/9/2023) In East Texas, natural regeneration of endangered longleaf pines is not possible when you have no longleaf pines on your land to reproduce.

  • @hannaheric634
    @hannaheric634 Год назад +1

    This is very educational, thank you

  • @mahnamahna3252
    @mahnamahna3252 Год назад

    These things have been known for decades. .
    Why oh why do so many continue to do things we know aren't right?

  • @blank.9301
    @blank.9301 2 года назад +4

    Let's use ecosia 👍🌱🌲🌱🌳🙂

  • @system2thinker659
    @system2thinker659 2 года назад +1

    I find it incredibly frustrating when everyone talks about non native this, non native that.... last time I checked, there's 300 million bipedal non native species living in North America who cause just a wee bit more harm than non native trees 🤦‍♂️

  • @yutahkotomi1195
    @yutahkotomi1195 Год назад +1

    Japanese mass planted pine trees: _Haha hay fever go brrrrrrr_

  • @alexandersteiner6070
    @alexandersteiner6070 Год назад

    Not only forests but we need to restore prairie/grassland ecosystems as well. Depending how they’re managed they can actually capture more carbon than trees.

  • @saintsfearful
    @saintsfearful Год назад

    There’s a misconception about “monoculture” planting. Most reputable logging companies are accused of replanting monoculture forests but in reality they work with local tree farms to plant the appropriate trees for the ecosystem and elevation. I can’t speak for the southern hemisphere, but in North America this is standard practice. For example a logging job in the PNW will typically mix Douglas Fir, Spruce, Hemlock, and Western Red Cedar. Occasionally they will incorporate Alder, but Alder grows very well on its own without adding any if there was already Alder on the land.

  • @jannetteberends8730
    @jannetteberends8730 Год назад

    Eye opening video. Going to find other ways to help the battle against global warming up.

  • @joshualovelace9161
    @joshualovelace9161 6 месяцев назад

    Red pine plantations are common in Wisconsin, but even those will have seedlings of oaks, maples, birches, poplars, and white pine coming up from the bottom. Idk why most of the worlds monocultures are just phased out by new growth like here in the US

  • @gedalyahreback2133
    @gedalyahreback2133 Год назад

    Okay, so what kinds of trees should each climate or region get?

  • @alexandermuller950
    @alexandermuller950 2 года назад +12

    Idk why this vid gives me the urge to plant more trees 🌲

    • @Wein_Cy
      @Wein_Cy 2 года назад +1

      Well yes it's good but sometimes it's not. Small scale tree planting is good but large scale reforestation may have bad effects on the environment.

    • @albejaine
      @albejaine 2 года назад

      @@Wein_Cy Absolutely not.

  • @josephrahman6455
    @josephrahman6455 2 года назад

    Why haven’t I ever seen any studies done on how much concrete cities create warming ?

  • @ms1021128
    @ms1021128 2 года назад

    I am thinking since 2000, as in my area, they planted same type of tree, causing same type of problem

  • @taradid409
    @taradid409 Год назад

    You would think when you're investing a lot of money and something like this you would plan it properly. Unfortunately appears that many places do not plan it at all. It feels like they just say here's some money bye some trees so they're not really for this area and they're going to destroy everything who cares.

  • @ErikLiberty
    @ErikLiberty Год назад

    One this this video gets wrong is that trees in cities improve air quality. An article in Science News magazine explained the counterintuitive research into how the trees actually combine with pollution to make worse pollutants.

  • @subzero4790
    @subzero4790 2 года назад +1

    Ecosystems with no human intervention are the best.

  • @drewpackman2929
    @drewpackman2929 Год назад +1

    Oh yeah. The Guardian knows a lot more than all the Forestry graduates, professionals and forestry companies.

    • @eyeli160
      @eyeli160 Год назад

      Eh, those forestry graduates and professors say the same thing

  • @pistolen87
    @pistolen87 2 года назад

    Why didn't the people that proposed planting trees tell us the whole picture?!

  • @seanlander9321
    @seanlander9321 Год назад +1

    Trees are still only a temporary solution. Almost all plantation trees release their stored carbon within 50 years.

  • @MrChancebozey
    @MrChancebozey 2 года назад

    If you ignore enough of what you don't fully understand then you will always think you are correct until you don't understand why things eventually went horribly wrong.

  • @mateusdavo
    @mateusdavo 2 года назад

    Search for syntropic agriculture and learn how to plant a tropical forest with Mr. Ernst Goethe

  • @samday6621
    @samday6621 2 года назад

    ...and local flora encourage local fauna, thus completing life cycles and maintain diversity.

  • @mikeperks1175
    @mikeperks1175 2 года назад

    I am very interested in the data you hold to underpin the assertion that monoculture commercial conifers are worse at storing carbon? (In the UK). If you read Matthews et al 2020 ‘seeing to carbon for the trees’ then perhaps you’re view would change… the timescale of your delivery of mitigation benefit is also key

  • @williamhutchinson7
    @williamhutchinson7 6 месяцев назад

    Replant what one chops down

  • @popsicleice8782
    @popsicleice8782 2 года назад +1

    This is why rain exists.

  • @finchi55
    @finchi55 2 года назад +1

    44k views in a week for a mainstream media outlet.......ooooof

  • @chuckychuck8318
    @chuckychuck8318 2 года назад +1

    How would a forest protect itself from desertification?

  • @notlessgrossman163
    @notlessgrossman163 Год назад

    Planting trees works if done correctly. Like most things, there is the correct way and wrong way of doing.

  • @jujitsujew23
    @jujitsujew23 Год назад +1

    Biodiversity is key and forests have 7 layers of plant life