I am from Somalia and I never sore anyone saying i am Qurani every mosque all i hear after the Quran is hadith to explain how the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him explained it, if you leave a Muslim country you will slip into disaster
@Iron ManMohammed said there's no secularism in islam.. so how you have all these unit's of islam.. we are one... & for the record there was no such thing as (Sunni Muslims) in Mohammeds time.. & if there was show me where to find..
@@murburyempire3643 Sunni, LITERALLY means the ones who follow the Sunnah, hence the Sahaba are Sunni, as they followed the Sunnah. Therefore the Ahlel Sunnah wal Jammah indetifnitely existed during the Prophet's time...
It's a waste of breath debating this hadeeth rejector. He's like an ADHD child looking for an argument. Don't give him the honour of a debate until he learns to be more respectful.
Trying to learn from these discussions is impossible, especially when one side (Hadith rejecter) is so immature and childish. 4:31 "Stand on the deal - God Dammit!"
_Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." -Ali 'Imraan __3:31_ _Say, [O Muhammad] "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. - Ali 'Imraan __3:32_
Iron Man what about the next verse 3.32 Also what about the verse which shamshi mentioned about allah decreed and the prophet decreed And also how did we get the Quran
Iron Man I asked u for some specific verses u completely avoided 69 .43 clearly says it is a revelation from ur lord Ur implying to justify what with 69 .40 that the Quran has prophet muhammed speech ur wrong cause there is another verse where it says prophet doesn’t speak of his own desires what he speaks is from revelation I asked u how u got the Quran ur giving me verses from the Quran itself am asking how did it reach us between us and prophet muhammed pbuh 1400 year gap And u forgot tell me about verse 3.32 And also the one about allah decreed and the prophet decreed
Iron Man 38. So, I swear by whatsoever you see,) (39. And by whatsoever you see not,) (40. That this is verily the word of an honored Messenger.) (41. It is not the word of a poet, little is that you believe!) (42. Nor is it the word of a soothsayer, little is that you remember!) (43. This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of all that exists.) THE QUR'AN IS THE SPEECH OF ALLAH Allah swears by His creation, in which some of His signs can be seen in His creatures. These also indicate the perfection of His Names and Attributes. He then swears by the hidden things that they cannot see. This is an oath swearing that the Qur'an is His Speech, His inspiration and His revelation to His servant and Messenger, whom He chose to convey His Message, and the Messenger carried out this trust faithfully. So Allah says, ﴿ فَلَآ أُقۡسِمُ بِمَا تُبۡصِرُونَ • وَمَا لَا تُبۡصِرُونَ • إِنَّهُ ۥ لَقَوۡلُ رَسُولٍ۬ كَرِيمٍ۬ ﴾ (So I swear by whatsoever you see, and by whatsoever you see not, that this is verily the word of an honored Messenger.) meaning, Muhammad. Allah gave this description to him, a description which carries the meaning of conveying, because the duty of a messenger is to convey from the sender. Therefore, Allah gave this description to the angelic Messenger in Surat At-Takwir, where he said, ﴿ إِنَّهُ ۥ لَقَوۡلُ رَسُولٍ۬ كَرِيمٍ۬ • ذِى قُوَّةٍ عِندَ ذِى ٱلۡعَرۡشِ مَكِينٍ۬ • مُّطَاعٍ۬ ثَمَّ أَمِينٍ۬ ﴾ (Verily, this is the Word of (this Qur'an brought by) a most honorable messenger. Owner of power (and high rank) with Allah, the Lord of the Throne. Obeyed and trustworthy.) (81:19-21) And here, it refers to Jibril. Then Allah says, ﴿ وَمَا صَاحِبُكُم بِمَجۡنُونٍ۬ ﴾ (and your companion is not a madman. ) (81:22) meaning, Muhammad. ﴿ وَلَقَدۡ رَءَاهُ بِٱلۡأُفُقِ ٱلۡمُبِينِ ﴾ (And indeed he saw him in the clear horizon.) (81:23) meaning, Muhammad saw Jibril in his true form in which Allah created him. ﴿ وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى ٱلۡغَيۡبِ بِضَنِينٍ۬ ﴾ (And he is not Danin with the Unseen.) (81:24) meaning, suspicious. ﴿ وَمَا هُوَ بِقَوۡلِ شَيۡطَـٰنٍ۬ رَّجِيمٍ۬ ﴾ (And it (the Qur'an) is not he word of the outcast Shaytan.) (81:25) This is similar to what is being said here. ﴿ وَمَا هُوَ بِقَوۡلِ شَاعِرٍ۬ۚ قَلِيلاً۬ مَّا تُؤۡمِنُونَ • وَلَا بِقَوۡلِ كَاهِنٍ۬ۚ قَلِيلاً۬ مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ ﴾ (It is not the word of a poet, little is that you believe! Nor is it the word of soothsayer, little is that you remember!) So in one instance Allah applies the term messenger to the angelic Messenger and in another instance He applies it to the human Messenger (Muhammad). This is because both of them are conveying from Allah that which has been entrusted to them of Allah's revelation and Speech. Thus, Allah says, ﴿ تَنزِيلٌ۬ مِّن رَّبِّ ٱلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ ﴾ (This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of all that exists.)
12:20-14-20 two ayah referred to here are enough for a sincere person who doubts whether to accept hadith or not. This was clear cut clarification as clear as day
Try not to reject this hadith from the so called "most authentic hadith book in the world" Sahih Bukhari 7:67:393 . I have more because the book itself is full of it it's just an example. And these careless scholars hide it.
That shows how misleading are those who reject the Sunna by incorrectly defining "messengers" He said that those who only deliver the message of the creator And ever Muslims reads the Quran knows that this is absolutely wrong They deliver and teach people what and who to worship the Creator and that's why Prophet Muhammad is the best example that we should follow
Chapter (16) sūrat l-naḥl (The Bees) Sahih International: But if they turn away, [O Muhammad] - then only upon you is [responsibility for] clear notification. 25:30 And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned." Will you stand before Allah with one book or multiple (Quran + sahih bukhari etc) on judgement day? There is a Quranic salat. If you find something not in the Quran it’s not from Allah.
@AsadAli-hm2vx When reading the Quran, you have to understand it The verse you are referring to is addressing the disbelievers (Mohammed's people) Not the believers This clearly shows the ignorance that Hadith rejectors obtain They use verses addressing the disbelievers and use it as if it is addressing the believers!
@@AsadAli-hm2vx Read the Quranic verses carefully The whole verse is about the disbelievers The word "قومي" which means "my people" never used for believers in the whole Quran, especially for the Muslims who accepted the message (Mohammed's companions) So the question to you is When the verse was revealed, was it addressing the believers or the ones who rejected it?
I agree with you although he has major arrogance. He needs to be humble. He's not educated at all. He interprets it his own way and he's so lost going against the messenger Muhammad pbuh
Are you saying that because your Somali or...? Every time I see a title “hadith rejector” might aswell find it easier to give dawah to an transgender atheist 🤣
Try not to reject this hadith from the so called "most authentic hadith book in the world" Sahih Bukhari 7:67:393 . I have more because the book itself is full of it it's just an example. And these careless scholars hide it.
320speed I would pay to watch a boxing match between Shamsi and the hadith rejector.. Shamsi would knock him out cold with one punch lmao.. look at Shamsi size compared to that skinny idiot. xD
I'm Somali and I have never seen Hadith rejectors. SubhanAllah this is Kufur wallahi. Where did they get this rubbish. Jaahil Jaahil, Shame on him to say that he is Somali.
Why bring in Somali do all Somalis think the same do you not have individuals? And what’s wrong in rejecting something if there isn’t sufficient proof for it? If there’s proof for it you wouldn’t need to make the comment you made would you.
Maverick X brother watch the video. And watch the other video between shamsi and this Ahmed somali guy where they discussed this topic for like an hour. Its clear quranists are misguided.
Maverick X Asalamwalaikum there too much proof for hadiths now we follow the authentic hadiths go study the hadiths , and you will find things that only the messenger of God would know , i’ll give an example The Prophet peace be upon him said people will compete in building buildings 1.4k years ago? who could have said that ... only the prophet , i’ll give another example The Prophet peace be upon him said Fornication, music and drinking (alchohol) will be made lawful isn’t this the case today ? Who could have said that ? lucky guess? random normal person? another example hadith that the sun will rise from the west 1.4k years AGO! only recently scientists confirm this who could have said that? these are only a few proofs you said you want proof the proofs are all in front of you the problem is you don’t want to look into them . There’s so many more i’ll leave them for you to look into properly The Quran and the Authentic Hadiths by our Beloved Rasul peace be upon is the Haqq and those who think otherwise despite the truth being so clear may Allah guide them and May Allah guide us all too and increase is in faith and certainty.
So according to you following the Quran alone is kufr? Subhan Allah how strong is shaytaans whispers, that he even managed to turn so called muslims against the book of Allah. Kufaar are those who think that the revelation of Allah is not enough, so they abandoned the book and took scholars besides Allah as their lord.
This is so much better.. they let eachother talk now.. i get agressive when they scream through eachothers speaking time.. now there is a referee.. love this debate! They should do it like this from now on.. now its watchable..
Indeed we are living in the end of times, people who reject the prophet's sayings and actions and affirmations, there is no higher enemy than that Muslim who discredits his own prophet and his companions.
This is the real cause of their going astray. Their denial of the Quran and the teachings brought by the Messenger (peace be upon him) of Allah and their resisting by disputation the revelations of Allah instead of pondering over them seriously, was the basic cause, which has led them astray and exhausted all possibilities of their adopting the right way.
EVERY HUMAN BEING IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING ALLAH'S PLANS CLEARLY GIVEN IN QURAN What does it mean? Allah's PLANS are executed by Human beings. EXAMPLE: GREAT USWA-E-HASANA Allah's Plans were SUPERBLY carried out by our beloved NABI/RASOOL saws. In other words, with numerous examples of Anbia/Rusul, it was proved that Execution of Allah's PLANS CAN BE carried out by Human beings. EACH AYAT OF QURAN IS PRACTICAL AND ALLAH SWT HAS EQUIPPED HUMAN BEINGS WITH POTENTIALS/ABILITIES TO EXECUTE HIS PLANS. HOW? Through Allah's Laws, Principles and Permanent Values. MAIN PLAN Serve the Humanity/Society... What does it mean? Do all that is humanly possible to NURTURE/DEVELOP the human beings and other Creatures. How to do it? Allah swt has GIFTED us with huge Potentials/Abilities. But they are in UNDEVELOPED FORM. So, the first STEP shall be to DEVELOP/ACTUALIZE the UNDEVELOPED Potentials/Abilities in line with Divine Values. This is called Character Building; Development of Self/Khudi/Psyche/PERSONALITY. What are the Divine Values? The ATTRIBUTES OF ALLAH SWT. اسماء الحسنى Allah swt has beautifully placed them all over in various AYA'AT of Quran. These ATTRIBUTES OF ALLAH SWT are Completely and Perfectly BALANCED IN ALLAH SWT's ذات. Allah swt COMMANDS all of us in Quran: صبغة الله و من احسن من الله صبغة .... Reflect the Hues of Allah swt and what could be better than the Hues of Allah swt. DOES ALLAH SWT NEED OUR PRAISES? CERTAINLY not! He is: هو غنى عن العالمين ALLAH SWT DOESN'T NEED OUR LIP SERVICE. He is INFINITELY far above anyone's praises. He is الصمد. So, why Allah swt has given us His ATTRIBUTES all over Quran? The answer is: Every human being is required to reflect these Attributes in a balanced way, within the limitations of human capacity, by putting in vigorous efforts utilizing the best of our GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities. What will be the RESULTS? The more we reflect the Attributes of Allah swt in our Personality, the more we will be able to Develop/Actualize our GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities (which were initially in undeveloped form) and our SELF/KHUDI will grow towards peaks. What NEXT? Once a Jama'at is formed (Jama'at-e-Mu'mineen) with the people of above Character then NOBODY CAN BEAT them. These will be the people, of Quranic Seerat, who can form an ISLAMIC STATE (formed on Allah swt's Laws, Principles and Permanent Values) which will be the MODEL FOR THE WORLD, and then: Allah swt says: أنتم الاعلون ان كنتم مومنين.... And: اشرقت الأرض بنور ربها The world will SHINE with the NIZAM-E-RABOOBIAT IN PLACE in this world; A PLATFORM, fully equipped with resources needed, and each person will get equal opportunity to develop his GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities. I REITERATE: THE FIGHT BETWEEN AL-HAQQ AND BATIL MAIN MISSION/RESPONSIBILITY OF ANBIA/RUSUL TO CONVERT: A Society/Nation which has been consistently functioning on the foundations of Nizam-e-Batil (صراط الطاغوت) TO A Society/Nation/Ummat ESTABLISHED on the TRUE and Concrete foundations of AL-HAQQ/TRUTH (SIRA'AT-E-MUSTAQEEM صراط مستقيم). صراط العزيز الحكيم A straight, balanced and Stable PATH given by the ONE with Mightiest Power with HIKMAT/WISDOM/LOGIC. Where are those CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS? IN WAHI/QURAN. What are the MAIN PILLARS OF THE FOUNDATIONS? Allah swt's: 1. Allah's Laws, Principles, and Permanent Values 2. NIZAM-E-SALA'AT 3. NIZAM-E-ZAKAAT 4. NIZAM-E-RABOOBIAT 5. NIZAM-E-MASAJID This is called DEEN/ISLAM. Every effort we make towards Establishing DEEN/ISLAM in the Society/Nation is called JAHAD. And it definitely requires concrete consistent efforts. قالوا ربن الله ثم الستقاموا ... We have to consistently and steadfastly follow NIZAM-E-RABOOBIAT wherein every human being will get full opportunity and resources to develop/grow/actualize his GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities. CERTAINLY NOT EASY یہ شہادت گئے الفت میں قدم رکھنا ہے لوگ آسان سمجھتے ہیں مسلماں ہونا لقد خلقنا الإنسان في كبد 90: 4 (Al-Balad) We have created the human being for consistent struggle and toil keeping himself in line with the Guidance of WAHI/QURAN. CONCLUSION We have to follow DEEN/ISLAM. صراط العزيز الحكيم We have to consistently put in vigorous efforts, utilizing the best of our GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities in line with Allah swt's Laws, Principles and Permanent Values, towards Establishing DEEN/ISLAM in the Society. It starts from each home. Let's convert our homes to SWEET homes (Jannat) by following DEEN/ISLAM. Let's collectively offer DUA' : 25: 74 (Al-Furqan) ...ربنا هب لنا من أزواجنا و ذرياتنا قرة اعين واجعلنا للمتقين اماما. Our each home should be the model of a miniaturized Islami Falahi Riyasat; Jannat. Our spouses and our children/family will be آنکھوں کی ڈھنڈک A source of COMPLETE peace and TRANQUILITY; Comfort of Eyes. We have to work really hard to get the above Dua' accepted by Allah swt; by following His Laws, Principles and Permanent Values. a student of Quran
Shamsi made a good point right at the end when he said when Ahmed used to debate with Kalam and sarah they put doubts in his heart. I remember those debates i think they are still here on youtube somehwere.
@@TheQuranExplainsItself good point but when you start debating people in front of 20 odd cameras which are usually live you no longer remain a stranger and all these comments come with the territory.
sajidkhanmahmood we’re debating topics not individuals. Debating individuals instead of topics is called ad hominem, it’s designed to divert from the topic. It’s irrelevant and unnecessary.
There are no Quranic references to any celebrations for Muslims. Almost all Muslim Eids are Persian or Pagan celebrations given with a Muslim twist. And these were all taken over by the Muslims after the Prophet. Allah doesn't give any order for any feast. This is on us to decide what to celebrate. Humans do this by themselves allready, no need for Allah to intervene on this. In the end of surah 5, Isa calls Allah for the Nourishment System to be an Eid. Eid means literally 'a joy that keeps coming back'. So this is the true everlasting Eid of Allah. The Deen being established on earth and the Hereafter. 5:114 the Eid mentioned is meaning rejoice in this Aya'at. This was referring to Isa to rejoice that the light of the Message had came to them... We should always be in a state of "Eid" because we have the Message.
Try not to reject this hadith from the so called "most authentic hadith book in the world" Sahih Bukhari 7:67:393 . I have more because the book itself is full of it it's just an example. And these careless scholars hide it.
Somalis are a pride of the Muslim Ummah, MashaAllah! They are usually religious and they take Islam seriously and Passionately. Many may not realize, but they are one of the most Islamic people. ( I am from India.)
When you stand up for Allah and his messenger Mohammed s.a.w you you never loose your ground and your honour Allah akbar ..brother shamsi and few other brothers in SP co. Will never be defeated ...
Part 6 Is the hadith of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is also a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator? Many Muslims believe that, in addition to the Quran, the hadith of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed was also a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator. They often cite verse 53:3 which reads and he does not speak from his own desire.(53:3) Their argument is that if informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed didn’t speak from his own desire, then his speech must have been a revelation. However, the mistake most Muslims make is they take individual verses out of context. The very following verse (53:4) reads ''It'' is nothing less than a inspiration that is inspired to him (53:4) This verse clearly indicates that there was a thing (it) that the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed did not speak from his own desire but rather by inspiration / revelation. The thing, referenced as “it” in verse 53:4, is obviously the Quran. Therefore, the Quran which the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed spoke was inspired or revealed to him and wasn’t from his own desire. It wasn’t his day-to-day hadith that was not from his own desire. Verse 66:1 of the Quran further proves that not everything informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed said was a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator. This verse describes Allah/The Almighty One Creator as questioning informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed as to why he forbade something that Allah/The Almighty One Creator never forbade. O Prophet, why do you forbid what Allah/The Almighty One Creator has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? … (66:1 part) informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed had the capacity to say a lie In verses 69:44-46, Allah/The Almighty One Creator threatened to kill informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed if informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed ever made false statements about Allah/The Almighty One Creator. This proves that not everything informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed said was a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator since if everything was, Allah/The Almighty One Creator would not have needed to make this threat. And if informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. (69:44-46) Conclusion The verse above makes it very clear that not everything informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed said was a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator. Since informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed only follows what was revealed to him (10:15, 46:9, 6:50, 7:203) and that what was revealed to him was only the Quran (7:203), then Muslims are only allowed to follow the Quran and not the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed’s hadith. Was informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed’s job just to deliver the Quran or more than that? Many Muslims believe that the job of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed was to do more than just deliver the Quran. However, Allah/The Almighty One Creator says in the Quran that the job of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed was only to deliver the message (the Quran) and nothing more. Not upon the Messenger is [responsibility] except [for] notification/delivery. And Allah/The Almighty One Creator knows whatever you reveal and whatever you conceal. …(5:99) But if they turn away - then We have not sent you, over them as a guardian; upon you is only [the duty of] notification/delivery. …(42:48 part)
And whether We show you part of what We promise them or take you in death, upon you is only the [duty of] notification/delivery, and upon Us is the account. (13:40) One might think that this “message” is the “hadith” but it’s not. The “message” is obviously the “Quran” as stated in verse 6:19. … this Qur’an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches … (6:19 part) Conclusion The verses above make it very clear that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed had one job and one job only which was to deliver the Quran. They ask you about … Say In the Quran, there are many occurrences of “They ask you about…, Say…”. People were asking informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed about something and God was telling informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed what to tell them. For example, in verse 2:222, people were asking informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed about menstruation. Allah/The Almighty One Creator then told informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed what to tell them. And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. … (2:222 part) The fact that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is always being told what to tell everyone emphasizes the fact that only Allah/The Almighty One Creator is allowed to make Islamic laws. informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed only relays Allah/The Almighty One Creator’s message which is whatever is in the Quran. informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed himself wasn’t allowed to make up laws on his own. Is informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed exclusive and superior to the other informed-lofty Messengers? Many Muslims believe that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is more special than the other informed-lofty Messengers. However, the Quran makes it clear that all informed-lofty Messengers are equal and that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is no more special than the other informed-lofty Messengers. The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Nurturer-Teacher, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah/The Almighty One Creator and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], “We make no distinction between any of His messengers.” And they say, “We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Nurturer-Teacher, and to You is the [final] destination.” (2:285)
Say, “I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner.” (46:9) Conclusion The verses above make it clear that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is not a new messenger that preached a different religion than the previous messengers. They also prove that Muslims are not allowed to differentiate between any of the messengers. In other words, Abraham, Moses, Isa, Muhammed, and all other messengers must be considered equal. How did the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed guide his people? Many Muslims believe that being guided by the prophet is done by following the hadith. However, God instructed informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed to guide people with the Quran, not with anything else. We are most knowing of what they say, and you are not over them a tyrant. Therefore remind by the Qur’an whoever fears My threat. (50:45) … this Qur’an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches … (6:19 part) Conclusion The verses above make it clear that messenger informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed delivered to the people what was sent to him the best hadith of Allah the Quran alone and only, but hundreds of years after messenger death the deviant people started inventing false hadiths and attributing them to the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed to replace the Quran and the men invented fake religions of Sunnism and Shiism is based on these hadiths and it is shirk-associating partners with Allah/The Almighty One Creator.
Informed lofty..... And you aren't saying peace be upon him..... You're nothing but a wreck. How would you know how to read namaaz if it wasn't for the hadith? There's no shirk, it's actually forbidden and it's stated as forbidden in the hadith. There are chains of narration for the hadith too. The story of imam Bukhari, there's a video on it.
The Qur'an does warn against blindly following other books. In Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 170, it says, "And when it is said to them, 'Follow what Allah has revealed,' they say, 'Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing.' Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided?" This verse encourages individuals to critically evaluate the teachings they follow and not simply adhere to them based on tradition or the practices of their ancestors. It emphasizes the importance of seeking guidance from the Qur'an alone and using reason and understanding to make informed choices. Not word for word from scripture but summary of contradictions. Qur'an says dont kill apostates. Hadith says kill apostates Qur'an says dont kill adulterers. Hadith says kill adulterers. Qur'an says leave a will for family when you die. Hadith says dont leave a will. Qur'an says Christians, jews and sabians can all go to heaven. Hadith says only muslims go to heaven. Qur'an tells us not to divide into sects. Hadith says there will be 73 sects and only one goes to heaven. Qur'an says they thought the prophet was bewitched but he was not. Hadith says he actually was bewitched. Qur'an says there is medicine in honey. Hadith says there is medicine in camel urine. Qur'an says no one knows the hour but Allah. Hadith says the hour will be on a Friday. Qur'an says you cant speak to the dead. Hadith says you can speak to the dead. Qur'an says to pray 3 times. Hadith says to pray 5 times with over complicated rituals. Qur'an says you cant marry a 6 year old. Hadith says the prophet married 6 year aisha. (45:6) "These are the Messages of Allah We convey to you with Truth. Then, in what HADITH, if not in Allah and His Verses, will they believe" [6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done. (42:48) (O Prophet), if they turn away from the Truth, know that We did not send you to them as their overseer. Your task is only to convey (the Message). Indeed when We give man a taste of Our Mercy, he exults in it. But if any misfortune afflicts them on account of their deeds, man is utterly ungrateful. The Children of Israel. [17.88] Say: "If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others."
Hadiths. Most people will say hadiths are part of Quran or that you need hadiths to understand the Quran... This is a pure directive against the Quran. As the Quran refutes this. Hadiths are nothing to do with Deen or the Quran also, they can never be proven as authentic. By following and believing in hadiths, you are on the path of destruction and more importantly you are commiting Shirk as you are taking another Law maker as your authority, and also putting something or someone at the same level or higher than Allah. These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you with truth, so in which hadith other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe? 45:6 Which hadith after it (Quran) do they believe in? 7:185 So in which hadith after it (Quran) do they believe? 77:50 Or do you have some book in which you are studying? 68:37 Shall I seek other than God as a lawmaker when it is He who has brought down to you the Book fully detailed? 6:114 This (Quran) is not a fabricated hadith, but an authentication of what came before it, a detailed account of all things, and guidance and mercy for people who believe. 12:111 We did not leave anything out of the Book. 6:38 We brought the Book down to you providing explanations of all things. 16:89 Also there is no Sunnah only that of Allahs and by saying there is, is again going against the clear Aya'ats of Quran. Such was the Sunna of God for those who passed on before. You will find that there is no substitute for the Sunna of God. 33:62 These are Allahs words not mine... these are Aya'ats from His Book... please ponder and reflect 🙏🏽
Ahmad has far thoughts and he is outright on the page.. Ahmad is not trying to denigrate you people but if you listen to him perhaps you guys will be saved from hell fire... Because he is adhering to Quran in which never ever said to follow hadith... He is absolutely safe...
I have seen a Sufi Somali , and now a quraniyah, next wal iyadubilah shia Somalia . May Allah azawajal protect my people from such deviations and all the ummah . Ameen
So when the hadith was being written at the time of the prophet pbah why did the prophet pbah not stop them if it was wrong may Allah swt guide ahmad and all of us ameen
Anti hadith dont want to solat, but want to eat and marry..mashaAllah they only want to enjoy easy life not to ibadah...thanks bro Shamsi..Alhamdulillah
EYE has been watching, learning from the earthlings at Speakers Corner since spring 2015 and I love how we all love "God/CREATION" it occupies our MIND & HEART. EGO is indeed present but just tell them that its HUMAN NATURE.
May allah brother shamsi always debates with ppl using quran that is why it’s so difficult for people to debate with him and may allah guide that somali brother to the right path 🤲🏼🤲🏼🤲🏼
I'm still struggling with these statements, pls help me : 1. "Hadith believers are unconsciously insinuating that Prophet Muhammad made a MISTAKE of not asking his companions to write down his sayings and actions and CHECK the writings HIMSELF by asking the writers to read them, just like he did with the Quran" 2. "If How we do Salat is fundamental to islam, then why didn't Prophet Muhammad made sure it was written by his companions accurately and check it? No such instructions were made in his lifetime. And why didn't Allah SWT put it in the Quran? The only possible answers to these questions are; a. Allah SWT made a mistake b. Prophet Muhammad made a mistake c. Both of them didnt make a mistake because it was a man made doctrine added after Prophet Muhammad passed away
You have to start on common ground. Common ground is that the quran is first. At the point the Somali guy stops, but Shamsi continues and adds "AND the hadees". Therefore the burden of proof is on Shamsi
Ahl sunnah says to Ahl ahwaa (the people of desires) :"if you lost your religion, then go find it!" We do not debate nor are we of those who discuss. The religion is clear and complete. We are firm on the religion of the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him and the Salaf of this Nation. If someone has a doubt concerning hadith ask and i will share with you the Knowledge which the Hadith rejectors do not find yet. Hasbuna Allaah wa ni'mal wakeel, wa sallaamu 'Alaykum wa rahmatuLah
Iron Man I take it you reject the sunnah; how do you pray, perform hajj etc? Allah told the people that if they differ amongst them selves then refer it to Allah and his messenger (4:59) And also in (16:44) Allah mentions that the messenger was not only sent with the Quran but also the responsibility of clarifying it to the people. Furthermore (3:7) is a proof alone that you should not interpret the Quran yourself.
Ismail Ali 👍 Iron man will again start copying and pasting to reply to you it’s been 3 days I have asked him how his translators got the Quran to translate he’s unable to get something to copy and paste here Just ask him this question rest anything u quote he will gives his own explanation
How is he a coward for asking them to be true to their words and srick to a deal, from a non muslim in the past i would agree with the somali on that point and even more so now im Muslim (Alhamdullilah) he rejected extra time because then he is going agaisnt the deal, he was just requesting to stick to it as they decided to use the timer so thats a bold claim coming from the timer guy tbh.
8:50 he says prove that I need to follow the messenger. Bro this guy is a joke to society, to Muslims and especially to all Somalis. He isn’t a Somali in my eyes because a Somali person would never talk this crazy. I’ve never seen or heard of a Somali that rejects all Hadith till now. Of all sects I know of these quraniyoon are one of the most foolish and irrational.
Irrational? Does the Quran not claim to be complete? Let's be honest, non muslims see muslims as worshipping the prophet pbuh, that is shirk/ blasphemy. Even down to the Salah and only mention of the prophet and no other prophet. Could it not be the case that after the prophets pbuh passing people started worshipping them? Very similar to the Christians with jesus, hindus with their demi gods, sikhs with the gurus. Either the Quran is complete or it's not. The logic of justifying the hadiths is the same one that these very people use against Christians to rubbish the bible. The interesting thing is almost all religions hold one belief, Only ONE god. Yet all attribute partners to him. The arrogance from these dawah men is becoming more prominent. Calling a fellow Muslim a disbeliever? Only one sect will enter heaven from many. Allah and Muhammad pbuh are not batman and Robin, but that is precisely what muslims believe.
@@devianadkar7969clearly u have no knowledge firstly in salah we mention also prophet Abraham peace be upon him and secondly transmition of hadiths and preservation of bible is nowhere near to each other. Clearly u don't have knowledge on how science of hadith works. Watch this video to learn more on the topic : ruclips.net/video/JYILFZ4C4ok/видео.htmlsi=RMfysnqIbs4Ug2q7
@Iron Man At-Taubah 9:6 وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ ٱسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّىٰ يَسْمَعَ كَلَٰمَ ٱللَّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُۥۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَّا يَعْلَمُونَ And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. This is proof from the Quran that the quran is the speech of Allah
Al-Haqqah 69:40 إِنَّهُۥ لَقَوْلُ رَسُولٍ كَرِيمٍ [That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble messenger Al-Haqqah 69:43 تَنزِيلٌ مِّن رَّبِّ ٱلْعَٰلَمِينَ [It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
So clearly Allah gives the prophet this noble title as his messenger, the messenger is the one who conveys the message of the sender. And then 3 ayaat later Allah attributes the revelation to himself
@Iron Man Al-Anbiya 21:45 قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أُنذِرُكُم بِٱلْوَحْىِۚ وَلَا يَسْمَعُ ٱلصُّمُّ ٱلدُّعَآءَ إِذَا مَا يُنذَرُونَ Say, "I only warn you by revelation." But the deaf do not hear the call when they are warned.
11:45 I mean come on... At this point if was this guy... I would just say... Wait a minute, that makes sense 🤔🤔... But he's like nooo! I know quran Better... XD
Why would you reject the Hadith ?? I mean if we didn’t have the Hadith we wouldn’t have known how our beloved Prophet peace be upon him lived , spoke , ate , dealt with people etc etc . Astaqfirullah!! 😓😓
What’s how he lived, spoke, ate, dealt with people....got to do with your guidance? Are you going to find guidance in there you couldn’t find in the Quran?
I believe he's confused but for shamsi to say to a believer hes not a Muslim surely that that shows how arrogant he is and shoul not be preaching the religion
That man in the hoodie said everything right. He is on the right path. He was also very fair and never questioned shamsi when he had his time. Shamsi responded by saying that the Quran only recites the word of Allah, implying that it is not enough since Mohammad is not reciting there. You can never go against the Quran, each time you do you are in direct contradiciton. May Allah guide us all.
I just stumbled upon this and dont know either of these guys but the guy with good said at the start that the guy in the green would not answer the question And secondly he would start to involve the crowd to avoid the question. This is what happened. The guy in green seems to be mixing up language translation and theology. To spread the word of Allah it must be translated so others can hear it. All theology is open to speculation and interpretation therefore has strayed from the original message. The guy was trying that the message was the word of Allah and the messengers interpretation of the message was not nesseccarally the true word. The guy in green seems to have an alternative motive for avoiding trying to answer the question.
@@TheQuranExplainsItself Mass produced means mass printed. It was conveyed from Jibreel to the Prophet (pbuh) and then the Prophet (pbuh) recited it to his companions piece by piece for many years.
Goodborn which word has anything to do with “ printing “? Produce is simply something originating from the individual....mass is simply something that exists in plural. Now if the prophet delivered a message to a large group of people and the message gets passed on to even more people because of his say so........how has he not produced it en mass? Niether mass nor produce has anything to do with a printing press.
Shamsi is not my favourite but I have to admit these guys are so unbelievably ignorant. They don't have a clue the level of knowledge Shamsi has about this.
fly like a hornbill unfortunately he appears to suffer from some type of personality disorder which prevents him from understanding how stupid his arguments are,
Iron Man already told you, your copy pasting of ayahs proves nothing since your understanding is less than zero. Again, the Qur’an is not for you to use to try and prove your own desires.
You want to place your faith in hearsay’s and make it divine because that’s what your doing when you believe in hadiths. This is an example of what Muslims who believe in hadith claim is divine it’s literally hearsay yet they continue to believe it حَدَّثَنَا الْحُمَيْدِيُّ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ الأَنْصَارِيُّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ التَّيْمِيُّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ عَلْقَمَةَ بْنَ وَقَّاصٍ اللَّيْثِيَّ، يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَلَى الْمِنْبَرِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ " إِنَّمَا الأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّيَّاتِ، وَإِنَّمَا لِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ مَا نَوَى، فَمَنْ كَانَتْ هِجْرَتُهُ إِلَى دُنْيَا يُصِيبُهَا أَوْ إِلَى امْرَأَةٍ يَنْكِحُهَا فَهِجْرَتُهُ إِلَى مَا هَاجَرَ إِلَيْهِ ". Tell us Hamidi Abdullah bin Zubair, said to us Sufian, said Yahya bin Saeed Ansari, said Mohammed bin Ibrahim told me Taymi, he heard Alqamah Bin Waqas Laithi, says I heard Omar ibn al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him on the pulpit said: I heard the Messenger of Allah him says, "but business intentions, but each man what he intended, it had emigrated to get a minimum or a woman to marry Vahjrth immigrated to him."
18.55 Shamsi getting told what to say and he follows it through...... shamefull la....... the other kid just cant be arsed with any bullshit or antics just wants to talk about topic whats wrong with that........ Shambo clearly doesnt deal well with that personality 💪🏼 ..... title very misleading
14:34 I don't remember quoting a translation. 9:03 Quotes a wrong translation from the Quran This man is a liar, a shape shifter that you should never trust! A theatrical act. Drama Queen.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ asked us to follow him and we will get Allah's blessings. He also narrated The Holy Qur'an to us. Same man two statements. How can one accept one and reject another?
Easily hadeeth was compiled long after he died and there has knowingly been false hadeeths circulating in the ummah you can lie and twist the words all you want the quran is clear on everything but no where does it mention a hadeeth outside of itself and it clearly says there was nothing left out of the book so hadeeth is outside of the book and not the words of allah so yea
Shamsi could be right however if he is sincere in being a Daa'i and if identified that the brother was wrong he should've sat down with the brother in private without the crowd and cameras. If he already did and if he saw that the brother is persistent then he should never debated him in public because he already knew the outcome. Also if Shamsi is sincere about being a Daa'i he shouldn't be hasty on making takfirs, and telling people how his opponent doesn't pray salaat and that he got brainwashed by certain individuals. It's a personal attack and it's not certain.
@@MAli99923 if you are going to quote me, do it properly. My exact words were "If Shamsi is SINCERE about being a DAA'I" I am not a DAA'I my brother. A DAA'I can not conduct himself how he wants my brother. And that's why if you are going to take that responsibility you shouldn't conduct yourself how you want. You are not the same as other people
@@sooomali9705 Also you used the word "If" "If Shamsi is SINCERE about being a DAA'I" That means he never claimed to be a daa'i. And henceforth you had no right to say what you said since its all conjecture.
Quranists: We believe as God says - that Quran can stand alone, is complete, perfect & easy to understand. Hadithists: Quran is nothing without hadith books!!
That guy is embarrassing himself when he only accepts Quran as a source of revelation and yet relies on google to check the context, while the one he’s arguing against memorizes it and educates him about it.
As for those who believe, do good, and have faith in what has been revealed to Muḥammad-which is the truth from their Lord-He will absolve them of their sins and improve their condition. This is because the disbelievers follow falsehood, while the believers follow the truth from their Lord. This is how Allah shows people their true state ˹of faith˺. Muhammad:2-3
Let's just talk about the hadiths that everyone is thinking about and that's the Hadith of Abu dawood , covers sharia law and some crazy stories about murder, which go against the Quran when god talked about killing people
You lot cant follow simple agreement its clear shamsi is surrounded by fan boys . Man shamsi will normal mad can have civil convo btw I'm not in ahmed side I just want people to follow what they agreed upon to have a fruitful convo
Agrees to a timelimit, then goes over it gets, then resorts to his same old clownish behavior pointing and looking for justification from the crowd hahaha Shamsi is a clown
Imam Shaafi said "I have never debated a knowledgeable person, except that I won, and I have never debated an ignorant person except that I lost"
An arrogant statement don’t you think? Literally anybody that thinks they’re always right would say that.
Maverick X you are explaining your self.
Maverick X If you follow the true religion of Allah you will always be right
Mohamed Choyoua you have to prove you are though you can’t just exalt yourself that’s ridiculous
Accept *
as a somali brother this man is repeatedly embarrassing us
He looks like megamind
He is only embarassment to himself. He will answer to Allah alone.
Run wallahi
Whose us
@@mohamedyusuf4020 Somaliweyn
I am from Somalia and I never sore anyone saying i am Qurani every mosque all i hear after the Quran is hadith to explain how the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him explained it, if you leave a Muslim country you will slip into disaster
He doesn't even know the quran subhnallah.....
waa sax sxb
Calaacal ka daa bring an argument or spectate!
@@TheQuranExplainsItself bro there is no doubt this guy is confused am just shocked at how he can stand there and say such words
Qadar Lyrics can you prove something anybody can claim what you’re claiming.
Thank god that we have the Sunna and Alhumdullilah for being Sunni
@Iron ManMohammed said there's no secularism in islam.. so how you have all these unit's of islam.. we are one... & for the record there was no such thing as (Sunni Muslims) in Mohammeds time.. & if there was show me where to find..
Alhamdulillah my brother
@@murburyempire3643 sunni means who follow the prophet muhammed peace be upon him and companions and the best 3 genrations Ahlu sunna wa al jama'a
@@murburyempire3643 Sunni, LITERALLY means the ones who follow the Sunnah, hence the Sahaba are Sunni, as they followed the Sunnah. Therefore the Ahlel Sunnah wal Jammah indetifnitely existed during the Prophet's time...
@@Anonymous-rz6vq Thats your opinion. Allah called us muslims, nothing else! You follow nothing but a sect, and you are thereby deluded from the way.
It's a waste of breath debating this hadeeth rejector. He's like an ADHD child looking for an argument. Don't give him the honour of a debate until he learns to be more respectful.
cafeespresso99 how respectful of you you self obsessed hypocrite!
Trying to learn from these discussions is impossible, especially when one side (Hadith rejecter) is so immature and childish. 4:31 "Stand on the deal - God Dammit!"
Only follow the Quran “THIS IS THE BEST HADEETH A CLEAR BOOK THE SKINS SHIVER OF THOSE WHO FEAR ALLAH”
Do you know Arabic? If not then you follow translations and not QURAN.
Can you read ancient arabic? If not you do too@@mearshi
Do you pray? If yes then how many rakats u pray in daily five times?
@@hasanalmohammadi5984 completely ignored my statement
@@ra-neter6662 do you know something about chain of narrations ?
_Say, [O Muhammad], "If you should love Allah, then follow me, [so] Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." -Ali 'Imraan __3:31_
_Say, [O Muhammad] "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers. - Ali 'Imraan __3:32_
Iron Man what about the next verse 3.32
Also what about the verse which shamshi mentioned about allah decreed and the prophet decreed
And also how did we get the Quran
Iron Man I asked u for some specific verses u completely avoided
69 .43 clearly says it is a revelation from ur lord
Ur implying to justify what with 69 .40 that the Quran has prophet muhammed speech ur wrong cause there is another verse where it says prophet doesn’t speak of his own desires what he speaks is from revelation
I asked u how u got the Quran ur giving me verses from the Quran itself am asking how did it reach us between us and prophet muhammed pbuh 1400 year gap
And u forgot tell me about verse 3.32
And also the one about allah decreed and the prophet decreed
Iron Man I asked specific about 3.32
The decreed of allah and the decree of the messenger
How the Quran came to us
Why avoid these points ?
Iron Man
38. So, I swear by whatsoever you see,) (39. And by whatsoever you see not,) (40. That this is verily the word of an honored Messenger.) (41. It is not the word of a poet, little is that you believe!) (42. Nor is it the word of a soothsayer, little is that you remember!) (43. This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of all that exists.)
THE QUR'AN IS THE SPEECH OF ALLAH
Allah swears by His creation, in which some of His signs can be seen in His creatures. These also indicate the perfection of His Names and Attributes. He then swears by the hidden things that they cannot see. This is an oath swearing that the Qur'an is His Speech, His inspiration and His revelation to His servant and Messenger, whom He chose to convey His Message, and the Messenger carried out this trust faithfully. So Allah says,
﴿ فَلَآ أُقۡسِمُ بِمَا تُبۡصِرُونَ • وَمَا لَا تُبۡصِرُونَ • إِنَّهُ ۥ لَقَوۡلُ رَسُولٍ۬ كَرِيمٍ۬ ﴾
(So I swear by whatsoever you see, and by whatsoever you see not, that this is verily the word of an honored Messenger.) meaning, Muhammad. Allah gave this description to him, a description which carries the meaning of conveying, because the duty of a messenger is to convey from the sender. Therefore, Allah gave this description to the angelic Messenger in Surat At-Takwir, where he said,
﴿ إِنَّهُ ۥ لَقَوۡلُ رَسُولٍ۬ كَرِيمٍ۬ • ذِى قُوَّةٍ عِندَ ذِى ٱلۡعَرۡشِ مَكِينٍ۬ • مُّطَاعٍ۬ ثَمَّ أَمِينٍ۬ ﴾
(Verily, this is the Word of (this Qur'an brought by) a most honorable messenger. Owner of power (and high rank) with Allah, the Lord of the Throne. Obeyed and trustworthy.) (81:19-21) And here, it refers to Jibril. Then Allah says,
﴿ وَمَا صَاحِبُكُم بِمَجۡنُونٍ۬ ﴾
(and your companion is not a madman. ) (81:22) meaning, Muhammad.
﴿ وَلَقَدۡ رَءَاهُ بِٱلۡأُفُقِ ٱلۡمُبِينِ ﴾
(And indeed he saw him in the clear horizon.) (81:23) meaning, Muhammad saw Jibril in his true form in which Allah created him.
﴿ وَمَا هُوَ عَلَى ٱلۡغَيۡبِ بِضَنِينٍ۬ ﴾
(And he is not Danin with the Unseen.) (81:24) meaning, suspicious.
﴿ وَمَا هُوَ بِقَوۡلِ شَيۡطَـٰنٍ۬ رَّجِيمٍ۬ ﴾
(And it (the Qur'an) is not he word of the outcast Shaytan.) (81:25) This is similar to what is being said here.
﴿ وَمَا هُوَ بِقَوۡلِ شَاعِرٍ۬ۚ قَلِيلاً۬ مَّا تُؤۡمِنُونَ • وَلَا بِقَوۡلِ كَاهِنٍ۬ۚ قَلِيلاً۬ مَّا تَذَكَّرُونَ ﴾
(It is not the word of a poet, little is that you believe! Nor is it the word of soothsayer, little is that you remember!) So in one instance Allah applies the term messenger to the angelic Messenger and in another instance He applies it to the human Messenger (Muhammad). This is because both of them are conveying from Allah that which has been entrusted to them of Allah's revelation and Speech. Thus, Allah says,
﴿ تَنزِيلٌ۬ مِّن رَّبِّ ٱلۡعَـٰلَمِينَ ﴾
(This is the revelation sent down from the Lord of all that exists.)
Iron Man
And the point of how did we get the Quran
This Ahmed guy talks about everything but the actual point - May ALLAH swt guide him.
Finally a beautifull response may allah guide us all
12:20-14-20 two ayah referred to here are enough for a sincere person who doubts whether to accept hadith or not. This was clear cut clarification as clear as day
Try not to reject this hadith from the so called "most authentic hadith book in the world" Sahih Bukhari 7:67:393 . I have more because the book itself is full of it it's just an example. And these careless scholars hide it.
@@NotrandomlikeyouLearn to pray first
@@Random_user21242 Teach me salat mentioned in Quran 11:87
That shows how misleading are those who reject the Sunna by incorrectly defining "messengers" He said that those who only deliver the message of the creator
And ever Muslims reads the Quran knows that this is absolutely wrong
They deliver and teach people what and who to worship the Creator and that's why Prophet Muhammad is the best example that we should follow
Good point. The stories of messengers and prophets in the Quran show that they do more than only deliver the revelation.
Chapter (16) sūrat l-naḥl (The Bees)
Sahih International: But if they turn away, [O Muhammad] - then only upon you is [responsibility for] clear notification.
25:30 And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned."
Will you stand before Allah with one book or multiple (Quran + sahih bukhari etc) on judgement day?
There is a Quranic salat. If you find something not in the Quran it’s not from Allah.
The only Teacher is Allah, not prophets
@AsadAli-hm2vx
When reading the Quran, you have to understand it
The verse you are referring to is addressing the disbelievers (Mohammed's people)
Not the believers
This clearly shows the ignorance that Hadith rejectors obtain
They use verses addressing the disbelievers and use it as if it is addressing the believers!
@@AsadAli-hm2vx
Read the Quranic verses carefully
The whole verse is about the disbelievers
The word "قومي" which means "my people"
never used for believers in the whole Quran, especially for the Muslims who accepted the message (Mohammed's companions)
So the question to you is
When the verse was revealed, was it addressing the believers or the ones who rejected it?
Inshallah this brother can see his wrong doings and follow Islam correctly let’s not belittle him or make fun of him
Brother Shamsi did not belittle or make fun of rejector.
Shamsi was merely trying to educate him however ignorance overtook the rejector.
I agree with you although he has major arrogance. He needs to be humble. He's not educated at all. He interprets it his own way and he's so lost going against the messenger Muhammad pbuh
Are you saying that because your Somali or...? Every time I see a title “hadith rejector” might aswell find it easier to give dawah to an transgender atheist 🤣
Bro his is the one who try to belittle and make fun of people looool
Try not to reject this hadith from the so called "most authentic hadith book in the world" Sahih Bukhari 7:67:393 . I have more because the book itself is full of it it's just an example. And these careless scholars hide it.
4:32 this guy's a theatrical act! He's a actor! Go back to Broadway.
No backbone, he must isaaq
This guy seems like he has other mental issues. And it seems he's getting ready for boxing match not a discussion. Ignorance.
I'm half his age and if he tried anything on Shamsi i would KO that drama queen quickly.
320speed I would pay to watch a boxing match between Shamsi and the hadith rejector.. Shamsi would knock him out cold with one punch lmao.. look at Shamsi size compared to that skinny idiot. xD
I thought i was the only one that noticed
If you agree on someone being the regulator, then you must accept his ruling.
“Tawheed is the greatest fortification of Allāh; whomsoever enters it, then he is from amongst those who are secure.”
Hadith rejector got exposed and ended alhamdulillah
El kaka?
Faisal Dhinbil who is this
@@ummahisonebody452 your on sir faz panel right
Faisal Dhinbil yes and lol
@@ummahisonebody452 you are dirty MURTAD, us quranist are on the righteous path!
I'm Somali and I have never seen Hadith rejectors. SubhanAllah this is Kufur wallahi. Where did they get this rubbish. Jaahil Jaahil,
Shame on him to say that he is Somali.
Why bring in Somali do all Somalis think the same do you not have individuals?
And what’s wrong in rejecting something if there isn’t sufficient proof for it?
If there’s proof for it you wouldn’t need to make the comment you made would you.
Maverick X brother watch the video. And watch the other video between shamsi and this Ahmed somali guy where they discussed this topic for like an hour. Its clear quranists are misguided.
Ahmed Hassan I rather have proof not opinions
Maverick X Asalamwalaikum there too much proof for hadiths now we follow the authentic hadiths go study the hadiths , and you will find things that only the messenger of God would know , i’ll give an example The Prophet peace be upon him said people will compete in building buildings 1.4k years ago? who could have said that ... only the prophet , i’ll give another example The Prophet peace be upon him said Fornication, music and drinking (alchohol) will be made lawful isn’t this the case today ? Who could have said that ? lucky guess? random normal person? another example hadith that the sun will rise from the west 1.4k years AGO! only recently scientists confirm this who could have said that? these are only a few proofs you said you want proof the proofs are all in front of you the problem is you don’t want to look into them . There’s so many more i’ll leave them for you to look into properly The Quran and the Authentic Hadiths by our Beloved Rasul peace be upon is the Haqq and those who think otherwise despite the truth being so clear may Allah guide them and May Allah guide us all too and increase is in faith and certainty.
So according to you following the Quran alone is kufr? Subhan Allah how strong is shaytaans whispers, that he even managed to turn so called muslims against the book of Allah. Kufaar are those who think that the revelation of Allah is not enough, so they abandoned the book and took scholars besides Allah as their lord.
This is so much better.. they let eachother talk now.. i get agressive when they scream through eachothers speaking time.. now there is a referee.. love this debate! They should do it like this from now on.. now its watchable..
Indeed we are living in the end of times, people who reject the prophet's sayings and actions and affirmations, there is no higher enemy than that Muslim who discredits his own prophet and his companions.
acussing Prophet as a pedophile and a warlord killer is discredit the Prophet? lol
This is the real cause of their going astray. Their denial of the Quran and the teachings brought by the Messenger (peace be upon him) of Allah and their resisting by disputation the revelations of Allah instead of pondering over them seriously, was the basic cause, which has led them astray and exhausted all possibilities of their adopting the right way.
EVERY HUMAN BEING IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING ALLAH'S PLANS CLEARLY GIVEN IN QURAN
What does it mean?
Allah's PLANS are executed by Human beings.
EXAMPLE:
GREAT USWA-E-HASANA
Allah's Plans were SUPERBLY carried out by our beloved NABI/RASOOL saws. In other words, with numerous examples of Anbia/Rusul, it was proved that Execution of Allah's PLANS CAN BE carried out by Human beings.
EACH AYAT OF QURAN IS PRACTICAL AND ALLAH SWT HAS EQUIPPED HUMAN BEINGS WITH POTENTIALS/ABILITIES TO EXECUTE HIS PLANS.
HOW?
Through Allah's Laws, Principles and Permanent Values.
MAIN PLAN
Serve the Humanity/Society...
What does it mean?
Do all that is humanly possible to NURTURE/DEVELOP the human beings and other Creatures.
How to do it?
Allah swt has GIFTED us with huge Potentials/Abilities. But they are in UNDEVELOPED FORM.
So, the first STEP shall be to DEVELOP/ACTUALIZE the UNDEVELOPED Potentials/Abilities in line with Divine Values.
This is called Character Building; Development of Self/Khudi/Psyche/PERSONALITY.
What are the Divine Values?
The ATTRIBUTES OF ALLAH SWT.
اسماء الحسنى
Allah swt has beautifully placed them all over in various AYA'AT of Quran.
These ATTRIBUTES OF ALLAH SWT are Completely and Perfectly BALANCED IN ALLAH SWT's ذات.
Allah swt COMMANDS all of us in Quran:
صبغة الله و من احسن من الله صبغة ....
Reflect the Hues of Allah swt and what could be better than the Hues of Allah swt.
DOES ALLAH SWT NEED OUR PRAISES?
CERTAINLY not!
He is:
هو غنى عن العالمين
ALLAH SWT DOESN'T NEED OUR LIP SERVICE. He is INFINITELY far above anyone's praises.
He is الصمد.
So, why Allah swt has given us His ATTRIBUTES all over Quran?
The answer is:
Every human being is required to reflect these Attributes in a balanced way, within the limitations of human capacity, by putting in vigorous efforts utilizing the best of our GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities.
What will be the RESULTS?
The more we reflect the Attributes of Allah swt in our Personality, the more we will be able to Develop/Actualize our GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities (which were initially in undeveloped form) and our SELF/KHUDI will grow towards peaks.
What NEXT?
Once a Jama'at is formed (Jama'at-e-Mu'mineen) with the people of above Character then NOBODY CAN BEAT them.
These will be the people, of Quranic Seerat, who can form an ISLAMIC STATE (formed on Allah swt's Laws, Principles and Permanent Values) which will be the MODEL FOR THE WORLD, and then:
Allah swt says:
أنتم الاعلون ان كنتم مومنين....
And:
اشرقت الأرض بنور ربها
The world will SHINE with the NIZAM-E-RABOOBIAT IN PLACE in this world; A PLATFORM, fully equipped with resources needed, and each person will get equal opportunity to develop his GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities.
I REITERATE:
THE FIGHT BETWEEN AL-HAQQ AND BATIL
MAIN MISSION/RESPONSIBILITY OF ANBIA/RUSUL
TO CONVERT:
A Society/Nation which has been consistently functioning on the foundations of Nizam-e-Batil (صراط الطاغوت)
TO
A Society/Nation/Ummat ESTABLISHED on the TRUE and Concrete foundations of AL-HAQQ/TRUTH (SIRA'AT-E-MUSTAQEEM صراط مستقيم).
صراط العزيز الحكيم
A straight, balanced and Stable PATH given by the ONE with Mightiest Power with HIKMAT/WISDOM/LOGIC.
Where are those CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS?
IN WAHI/QURAN.
What are the MAIN PILLARS OF THE FOUNDATIONS?
Allah swt's:
1. Allah's Laws, Principles, and Permanent Values
2. NIZAM-E-SALA'AT
3. NIZAM-E-ZAKAAT
4. NIZAM-E-RABOOBIAT
5. NIZAM-E-MASAJID
This is called DEEN/ISLAM.
Every effort we make towards Establishing DEEN/ISLAM in the Society/Nation is called JAHAD.
And it definitely requires concrete consistent efforts.
قالوا ربن الله ثم الستقاموا ...
We have to consistently and steadfastly follow NIZAM-E-RABOOBIAT
wherein every human being will get full opportunity and resources to develop/grow/actualize his GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities.
CERTAINLY NOT EASY
یہ شہادت گئے الفت میں قدم رکھنا ہے
لوگ آسان سمجھتے ہیں مسلماں ہونا
لقد خلقنا الإنسان في كبد
90: 4 (Al-Balad)
We have created the human being for consistent struggle and toil keeping himself in line with the Guidance of WAHI/QURAN.
CONCLUSION
We have to follow DEEN/ISLAM.
صراط العزيز الحكيم
We have to consistently put in vigorous efforts, utilizing the best of our GOD-GIFTED Potentials/Abilities in line with Allah swt's Laws, Principles and Permanent Values, towards Establishing DEEN/ISLAM in the Society.
It starts from each home.
Let's convert our homes to SWEET homes (Jannat) by following DEEN/ISLAM.
Let's collectively offer DUA' :
25: 74 (Al-Furqan)
...ربنا هب لنا من أزواجنا و ذرياتنا قرة اعين واجعلنا للمتقين اماما.
Our each home should be the model of a miniaturized Islami Falahi Riyasat; Jannat.
Our spouses and our children/family will be
آنکھوں کی ڈھنڈک
A source of COMPLETE peace and TRANQUILITY; Comfort of Eyes.
We have to work really hard to get the above Dua' accepted by Allah swt; by following His Laws, Principles and Permanent Values.
a student of Quran
It is VERY clear that the Quranist (Somalian man) is not all there mentally. Mental Health is not a joke. Poor guy man.
Shamsi made a good point right at the end when he said when Ahmed used to debate with Kalam and sarah they put doubts in his heart. I remember those debates i think they are still here on youtube somehwere.
sajidkhanmahmood yeah because shamsi and you know me like that isn’t that cute lol bunch of psychiatrists aren’t you lot 🤣🤣
@@TheQuranExplainsItself nothing personal bro its just from observations im sure theres still hope Inshalllah
sajidkhanmahmood that is personal who asked for your observations of a stranger why don’t you just stick to the topic that’s being discussed.
@@TheQuranExplainsItself good point but when you start debating people in front of 20 odd cameras which are usually live you no longer remain a stranger and all these comments come with the territory.
sajidkhanmahmood we’re debating topics not individuals. Debating individuals instead of topics is called ad hominem, it’s designed to divert from the topic. It’s irrelevant and unnecessary.
There are no Quranic references to any celebrations for Muslims. Almost all Muslim Eids are Persian or Pagan celebrations given with a Muslim twist. And these were all taken over by the Muslims after the Prophet.
Allah doesn't give any order for any feast. This is on us to decide what to celebrate. Humans do this by themselves allready, no need for Allah to intervene on this.
In the end of surah 5, Isa calls Allah for the Nourishment System to be an Eid. Eid means literally 'a joy that keeps coming back'. So this is the true everlasting Eid of Allah. The Deen being established on earth and the Hereafter.
5:114 the Eid mentioned is meaning rejoice in this Aya'at. This was referring to Isa to rejoice that the light of the Message had came to them...
We should always be in a state of "Eid" because we have the Message.
Br. Shamsi means well. May we all stay steadfast on the deen, aameen
Try not to reject this hadith from the so called "most authentic hadith book in the world" Sahih Bukhari 7:67:393 . I have more because the book itself is full of it it's just an example. And these careless scholars hide it.
Somalis are a pride of the Muslim Ummah, MashaAllah! They are usually religious and they take Islam seriously and Passionately. Many may not realize, but they are one of the most Islamic people.
( I am from India.)
he dodged every single question shamshi asked 🤦♂️
When you stand up for Allah and his messenger Mohammed s.a.w you you never loose your ground and your honour Allah akbar ..brother shamsi and few other brothers in SP co. Will never be defeated ...
Part 6
Is the hadith of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is also a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator?
Many Muslims believe that, in addition to the Quran, the hadith of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed was also a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator. They often cite verse 53:3 which reads
and he does not speak from his own desire.(53:3)
Their argument is that if informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed didn’t speak from his own desire, then his speech must have been a revelation. However, the mistake most Muslims make is they take individual verses out of context. The very following verse (53:4) reads
''It'' is nothing less than a inspiration that is inspired to him (53:4)
This verse clearly indicates that there was a thing (it) that the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed did not speak from his own desire but rather by inspiration / revelation. The thing, referenced as “it” in verse 53:4, is obviously the Quran. Therefore, the Quran which the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed spoke was inspired or revealed to him and wasn’t from his own desire. It wasn’t his day-to-day hadith that was not from his own desire.
Verse 66:1 of the Quran further proves that not everything informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed said was a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator. This verse describes Allah/The Almighty One Creator as questioning informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed as to why he forbade something that Allah/The Almighty One Creator never forbade.
O Prophet, why do you forbid what Allah/The Almighty One Creator has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? … (66:1 part)
informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed had the capacity to say a lie
In verses 69:44-46, Allah/The Almighty One Creator threatened to kill informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed if informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed ever made false statements about Allah/The Almighty One Creator. This proves that not everything informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed said was a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator since if everything was, Allah/The Almighty One Creator would not have needed to make this threat.
And if informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed had made up about Us some [false] sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; Then We would have cut from him the aorta. (69:44-46)
Conclusion
The verse above makes it very clear that not everything informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed said was a revelation from Allah/The Almighty One Creator. Since informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed only follows what was revealed to him (10:15, 46:9, 6:50, 7:203) and that what was revealed to him was only the Quran (7:203), then Muslims are only allowed to follow the Quran and not the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed’s hadith.
Was informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed’s job just to deliver the Quran or more than that?
Many Muslims believe that the job of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed was to do more than just deliver the Quran. However, Allah/The Almighty One Creator says in the Quran that the job of the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed was only to deliver the message (the Quran) and nothing more.
Not upon the Messenger is [responsibility] except [for] notification/delivery. And Allah/The Almighty One Creator knows whatever you reveal and whatever you conceal. …(5:99)
But if they turn away - then We have not sent you, over them as a guardian; upon you is only [the duty of] notification/delivery. …(42:48 part)
And whether We show you part of what We promise them or take you in death, upon you is only the [duty of] notification/delivery, and upon Us is the account. (13:40)
One might think that this “message” is the “hadith” but it’s not. The “message” is obviously the “Quran” as stated in verse 6:19.
… this Qur’an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches … (6:19 part)
Conclusion
The verses above make it very clear that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed had one job and one job only which was to deliver the Quran.
They ask you about … Say
In the Quran, there are many occurrences of “They ask you about…, Say…”. People were asking informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed about something and God was telling informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed what to tell them. For example, in verse 2:222, people were asking informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed about menstruation. Allah/The Almighty One Creator then told informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed what to tell them.
And they ask you about menstruation. Say, “It is harm, so keep away from wives during menstruation. … (2:222 part)
The fact that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is always being told what to tell everyone emphasizes the fact that only Allah/The Almighty One Creator is allowed to make Islamic laws. informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed only relays Allah/The Almighty One Creator’s message which is whatever is in the Quran. informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed himself wasn’t allowed to make up laws on his own.
Is informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed exclusive and superior to the other informed-lofty Messengers?
Many Muslims believe that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is more special than the other informed-lofty Messengers.
However, the Quran makes it clear that all informed-lofty Messengers are equal and that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is no more special than the other informed-lofty Messengers.
The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Nurturer-Teacher, and [so have] the believers. All of them have believed in Allah/The Almighty One Creator and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], “We make no distinction between any of His messengers.” And they say, “We hear and we obey. [We seek] Your forgiveness, our Nurturer-Teacher, and to You is the [final] destination.” (2:285)
Say, “I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner.” (46:9)
Conclusion
The verses above make it clear that informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed is not a new messenger that preached a different religion than the previous messengers. They also prove that Muslims are not allowed to differentiate between any of the messengers. In other words, Abraham, Moses, Isa, Muhammed, and all other messengers must be considered equal.
How did the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed guide his people?
Many Muslims believe that being guided by the prophet is done by following the hadith. However, God instructed informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed to guide people with the Quran, not with anything else.
We are most knowing of what they say, and you are not over them a tyrant. Therefore remind by the Qur’an whoever fears My threat. (50:45)
… this Qur’an was revealed to me that I may warn you thereby and whomever it reaches … (6:19 part)
Conclusion
The verses above make it clear that messenger informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed delivered to the people what was sent to him the best hadith of Allah the Quran alone and only, but hundreds of years after messenger death the deviant people started inventing false hadiths and attributing them to the informed-lofty Messenger Muhammed to replace the Quran and the men invented fake religions of Sunnism and Shiism is based on these hadiths and it is shirk-associating partners with Allah/The Almighty One Creator.
Informed lofty..... And you aren't saying peace be upon him..... You're nothing but a wreck. How would you know how to read namaaz if it wasn't for the hadith? There's no shirk, it's actually forbidden and it's stated as forbidden in the hadith. There are chains of narration for the hadith too. The story of imam Bukhari, there's a video on it.
@@theultimateassasin You are in shirk up to your necks
O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you
, Quran Surah An-nisa 4-59
I read iyaatul kursi when she was coming near them. 😂
lol
Looool
Ayatul kursi not iya
The Qur'an does warn against blindly following other books. In Surah Al-Baqarah, verse 170, it says, "And when it is said to them, 'Follow what Allah has revealed,' they say, 'Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing.' Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided?" This verse encourages individuals to critically evaluate the teachings they follow and not simply adhere to them based on tradition or the practices of their ancestors. It emphasizes the importance of seeking guidance from the Qur'an alone and using reason and understanding to make informed choices.
Not word for word from scripture but summary of contradictions.
Qur'an says dont kill apostates. Hadith says kill apostates
Qur'an says dont kill adulterers. Hadith says kill adulterers.
Qur'an says leave a will for family when you die. Hadith says dont leave a will.
Qur'an says Christians, jews and sabians can all go to heaven. Hadith says only muslims go to heaven.
Qur'an tells us not to divide into sects. Hadith says there will be 73 sects and only one goes to heaven.
Qur'an says they thought the prophet was bewitched but he was not. Hadith says he actually was bewitched.
Qur'an says there is medicine in honey. Hadith says there is medicine in camel urine.
Qur'an says no one knows the hour but Allah. Hadith says the hour will be on a Friday.
Qur'an says you cant speak to the dead. Hadith says you can speak to the dead.
Qur'an says to pray 3 times. Hadith says to pray 5 times with over complicated rituals.
Qur'an says you cant marry a 6 year old. Hadith says the prophet married 6 year aisha.
(45:6) "These are the Messages of Allah We convey to you with Truth. Then, in what HADITH, if not in Allah and His Verses, will they believe"
[6:159] Those who divide themselves into sects do not belong with you. Their judgment rests with GOD, then He will inform them of everything they had done.
(42:48) (O Prophet), if they turn away from the Truth, know that We did not send you to them as their overseer. Your task is only to convey (the Message). Indeed when We give man a taste of Our Mercy, he exults in it. But if any misfortune afflicts them on account of their deeds, man is utterly ungrateful.
The Children of Israel. [17.88] Say: "If men and jinn should combine together to bring the like of this Quran, they could not bring the like of it, though some of them were aiders of others."
👏👏👏
Leave them in there association brother
Hadiths. Most people will say hadiths are part of Quran or that you need hadiths to understand the Quran...
This is a pure directive against the Quran. As the Quran refutes this.
Hadiths are nothing to do with Deen or the Quran also, they can never be proven as authentic. By following and believing in hadiths, you are on the path of destruction and more importantly you are commiting Shirk as you are taking another Law maker as your authority, and also putting something or someone at the same level or higher than Allah.
These are God's revelations (Quran) that We recite to you with truth, so in which hadith other than God and His revelations (Quran) do they believe? 45:6
Which hadith after it (Quran) do they believe in? 7:185
So in which hadith after it (Quran) do they believe? 77:50
Or do you have some book in which you are studying? 68:37
Shall I seek other than God as a lawmaker when it is He who has brought down to you the Book fully detailed? 6:114
This (Quran) is not a fabricated hadith, but an authentication of what came before it, a detailed account of all things, and guidance and mercy for people who believe. 12:111
We did not leave anything out of the Book. 6:38
We brought the Book down to you providing explanations of all things. 16:89
Also there is no Sunnah only that of Allahs and by saying there is, is again going against the clear Aya'ats of Quran.
Such was the Sunna of God for those who passed on before. You will find that there is no substitute for the Sunna of God. 33:62
These are Allahs words not mine... these are Aya'ats from His Book... please ponder and reflect 🙏🏽
Miskeen he's actually drowning in his own arrogance
Ahmad has far thoughts and he is outright on the page.. Ahmad is not trying to denigrate you people but if you listen to him perhaps you guys will be saved from hell fire... Because he is adhering to Quran in which never ever said to follow hadith... He is absolutely safe...
I have seen a Sufi Somali , and now a quraniyah, next wal iyadubilah shia Somalia . May Allah azawajal protect my people from such deviations and all the ummah . Ameen
Ameen walal
There was a amadiyah one too
Sad that Sunnis believes that the Hadith is more important than the word of god…
"Obey Allah and Obey his messenger."
No one said that. Stop making stuff up.
All I saw here was the hadith rejector run from the debate
Shamsi he got you when he said about learning the root meanings of the wors, this is how you LEARN the language even if you are an arabic speaker.
So when the hadith was being written at the time of the prophet pbah why did the prophet pbah not stop them if it was wrong may Allah swt guide ahmad and all of us ameen
Brother Megamind is again lost... May Allah SWT guide you brother
no need to make fun of Allah (SWT) Creation brother nor backbite
Anti hadith dont want to solat, but want to eat and marry..mashaAllah they only want to enjoy easy life not to ibadah...thanks bro Shamsi..Alhamdulillah
EYE has been watching, learning from the earthlings at Speakers Corner since spring 2015 and I love how we all love "God/CREATION" it occupies our MIND & HEART. EGO is indeed present but just tell them that its HUMAN NATURE.
Please, which country is the Speakers Corner located
12:00 the Hadith rejector got absolutely destroyed. The discussion should’ve ended there
Exactly
May allah brother shamsi always debates with ppl using quran that is why it’s so difficult for people to debate with him and may allah guide that somali brother to the right path 🤲🏼🤲🏼🤲🏼
You can’t compare the words of allah to the words of bukhari! So on we worship allah only
The words of bukhari ? You know it's better to be quiet when you're not familiar with the topic in question.
@@Mimi-Maa18 what the f does he mean bukhari said this and that then? Who gives f with bukhari anyway he was some old Arab man what else?
@@zakialle9767 you have just shown you know nothing about hadiths. You reject something you don't even know. That's super logical.
irrelevant statement!
@@Mimi-Maa18 little knowledge makes u talk in stupid ways
I'm still struggling with these statements, pls help me :
1. "Hadith believers are unconsciously insinuating that Prophet Muhammad made a MISTAKE of not asking his companions to write down his sayings and actions and CHECK the writings HIMSELF by asking the writers to read them, just like he did with the Quran"
2. "If How we do Salat is fundamental to islam, then why didn't Prophet Muhammad made sure it was written by his companions accurately and check it? No such instructions were made in his lifetime. And why didn't Allah SWT put it in the Quran? The only possible answers to these questions are;
a. Allah SWT made a mistake
b. Prophet Muhammad made a mistake
c. Both of them didnt make a mistake because it was a man made doctrine added after Prophet Muhammad passed away
This man makes claims too saying you don't need hadith. That's a claim!
You have to start on common ground. Common ground is that the quran is first. At the point the Somali guy stops, but Shamsi continues and adds "AND the hadees".
Therefore the burden of proof is on Shamsi
Allah says in surah ali imran, on talking of the promise that he took from banuu israil, he talks about acceptance of what the prophet come with
All this timer stuff is for kids fr, You’re a big man. Have a man to man conversation kmt.
Shamsi has broken debate rules!
May allah guide u
Ahl sunnah says to Ahl ahwaa (the people of desires) :"if you lost your religion, then go find it!"
We do not debate nor are we of those who discuss. The religion is clear and complete.
We are firm on the religion of the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him and the Salaf of this Nation.
If someone has a doubt concerning hadith ask and i will share with you the Knowledge which the Hadith rejectors do not find yet.
Hasbuna Allaah wa ni'mal wakeel,
wa sallaamu 'Alaykum wa rahmatuLah
Sunnah is in the Quran, Quran is word of God but when he says to rasul “SAY” those are the words of Mohammed.
Brother shamshi should have also given him the verse where allah says take from the prophet pbuh what he gives and abstain from what he doesn’t
irfan lokhandwala 59:7 go read the whole verse.
Iron Man
I take it you reject the sunnah; how do you pray, perform hajj etc?
Allah told the people that if they differ amongst them selves then refer it to Allah and his messenger (4:59)
And also in (16:44) Allah mentions that the messenger was not only sent with the Quran but also the responsibility of clarifying it to the people.
Furthermore (3:7) is a proof alone that you should not interpret the Quran yourself.
Ismail Ali 👍
Iron man will again start copying and pasting to reply to you
it’s been 3 days I have asked him how his translators got the Quran to translate he’s unable to get something to copy and paste here
Just ask him this question rest anything u quote he will gives his own explanation
irfan lokhandwala
BarakAllahu feek. Make Allah guide us and guide him to the haq.
Ismail Ali ameen
How is he a coward for asking them to be true to their words and srick to a deal, from a non muslim in the past i would agree with the somali on that point and even more so now im Muslim (Alhamdullilah) he rejected extra time because then he is going agaisnt the deal, he was just requesting to stick to it as they decided to use the timer so thats a bold claim coming from the timer guy tbh.
I never thought I would see Somali that reject the hadith.
You see many things nowadays, scary times we live in wallah..
The best Hadeeth is the Quran Allah says it very clearly those who exaggerate their religion and become sects.
8:50 he says prove that I need to follow the messenger. Bro this guy is a joke to society, to Muslims and especially to all Somalis. He isn’t a Somali in my eyes because a Somali person would never talk this crazy. I’ve never seen or heard of a Somali that rejects all Hadith till now. Of all sects I know of these quraniyoon are one of the most foolish and irrational.
Irrational? Does the Quran not claim to be complete? Let's be honest, non muslims see muslims as worshipping the prophet pbuh, that is shirk/ blasphemy. Even down to the Salah and only mention of the prophet and no other prophet. Could it not be the case that after the prophets pbuh passing people started worshipping them? Very similar to the Christians with jesus, hindus with their demi gods, sikhs with the gurus. Either the Quran is complete or it's not. The logic of justifying the hadiths is the same one that these very people use against Christians to rubbish the bible. The interesting thing is almost all religions hold one belief, Only ONE god. Yet all attribute partners to him. The arrogance from these dawah men is becoming more prominent. Calling a fellow Muslim a disbeliever? Only one sect will enter heaven from many. Allah and Muhammad pbuh are not batman and Robin, but that is precisely what muslims believe.
@@devianadkar7969 what are you talking about you make no sense.
@@devianadkar7969clearly u have no knowledge firstly in salah we mention also prophet Abraham peace be upon him and secondly transmition of hadiths and preservation of bible is nowhere near to each other. Clearly u don't have knowledge on how science of hadith works. Watch this video to learn more on the topic : ruclips.net/video/JYILFZ4C4ok/видео.htmlsi=RMfysnqIbs4Ug2q7
I don’t even agree with Quranist but Shamsi doesn’t listen or finish a point.
Why on earth did they even entertain this clown? Let him go, some crazy guy man, shamsi dealt with him nice.
Alot of your points are inconceivable and I'm unsure what you are trying to say
@Iron Man At-Taubah 9:6
وَإِنْ أَحَدٌ مِّنَ ٱلْمُشْرِكِينَ ٱسْتَجَارَكَ فَأَجِرْهُ حَتَّىٰ يَسْمَعَ كَلَٰمَ ٱللَّهِ ثُمَّ أَبْلِغْهُ مَأْمَنَهُۥۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَّا يَعْلَمُونَ
And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
This is proof from the Quran that the quran is the speech of Allah
Al-Haqqah 69:40
إِنَّهُۥ لَقَوْلُ رَسُولٍ كَرِيمٍ
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble messenger
Al-Haqqah 69:43
تَنزِيلٌ مِّن رَّبِّ ٱلْعَٰلَمِينَ
[It is] a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
So clearly Allah gives the prophet this noble title as his messenger, the messenger is the one who conveys the message of the sender. And then 3 ayaat later Allah attributes the revelation to himself
@Iron Man Al-Anbiya 21:45
قُلْ إِنَّمَآ أُنذِرُكُم بِٱلْوَحْىِۚ وَلَا يَسْمَعُ ٱلصُّمُّ ٱلدُّعَآءَ إِذَا مَا يُنذَرُونَ
Say, "I only warn you by revelation." But the deaf do not hear the call when they are warned.
shamsi @16:17 "she's gonna follow us this shaytan" 🤣🤣🤣
Plank of wood in a hoodie
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What a banging reply insult. 😭😭😭😂
Abdullahi Mohamed trust me guy violated
Another idolater what a surprise
Who the hell has a debate about the Quran without the Quran????
11:45 I mean come on... At this point if was this guy... I would just say... Wait a minute, that makes sense 🤔🤔... But he's like nooo! I know quran Better... XD
Whr is this place?
Why would you reject the Hadith ?? I mean if we didn’t have the Hadith we wouldn’t have known how our beloved Prophet peace be upon him lived , spoke , ate , dealt with people etc etc . Astaqfirullah!! 😓😓
What’s how he lived, spoke, ate, dealt with people....got to do with your guidance?
Are you going to find guidance in there you couldn’t find in the Quran?
Maverick X well it’s to perfect 👌 our character !! and sooooo much more I’m not an expert in Hadith .
Iron Man My God what a beautiful response! How on earth does one respond to that 🤔
Be Good To Yourself then what’s this for?
2:2 This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -
I believe he's confused but for shamsi to say to a believer hes not a Muslim surely that that shows how arrogant he is and shoul not be preaching the religion
That man in the hoodie said everything right. He is on the right path. He was also very fair and never questioned shamsi when he had his time. Shamsi responded by saying that the Quran only recites the word of Allah, implying that it is not enough since Mohammad is not reciting there. You can never go against the Quran, each time you do you are in direct contradiciton. May Allah guide us all.
You need guidance quraniyoon. You ain't our brother.
@@mokhachoka2918 Who is our? Your in a path alone and so am I, God bless.
@@e-leven7407they mock God, the Message, Messengers and those who put their trust in God and submit to Him alone. These hadithees are so disgusting.
I just stumbled upon this and dont know either of these guys but the guy with good said at the start that the guy in the green
would not answer the question
And secondly he would start to involve the crowd to avoid the question.
This is what happened.
The guy in green seems to be mixing up language translation and theology.
To spread the word of Allah it must be translated so others can hear it.
All theology is open to speculation and interpretation therefore has strayed from the original message.
The guy was trying that the message was the word of Allah and the messengers interpretation of the message was not nesseccarally the true word.
The guy in green seems to have an alternative motive for avoiding trying to answer the question.
Why is he debating a guy who said when asked how it came to him the Qur'an " Prophet mass produced it ". lol
lmaooooooo
Was it not delivered en mass by the prophet?
@@TheQuranExplainsItself Mass produced means mass printed. It was conveyed from Jibreel to the Prophet (pbuh) and then the Prophet (pbuh) recited it to his companions piece by piece for many years.
Goodborn which word has anything to do with “ printing “?
Produce is simply something originating from the individual....mass is simply something that exists in plural.
Now if the prophet delivered a message to a large group of people and the message gets passed on to even more people because of his say so........how has he not produced it en mass?
Niether mass nor produce has anything to do with a printing press.
@@TheQuranExplainsItself Selam akhi
Shamsi is not my favourite but I have to admit these guys are so unbelievably ignorant. They don't have a clue the level of knowledge Shamsi has about this.
Shamsi representing.
Brother Shamsi always killing it alhamdullilah
Shamsi is the Champ anyways. He gets extra time on timer.
😂😂 facts
Proud of my Somali brother Qurux wallah
Ahmed should give up hang up the gloves 🥊
fly like a hornbill unfortunately he appears to suffer from some type of personality disorder which prevents him from understanding how stupid his arguments are,
Iron Man already told you, your copy pasting of ayahs proves nothing since your understanding is less than zero.
Again, the Qur’an is not for you to use to try and prove your own desires.
You want to place your faith in hearsay’s and make it divine because that’s what your doing when you believe in hadiths.
This is an example of what Muslims who believe in hadith claim is divine it’s literally hearsay yet they continue to believe it
حَدَّثَنَا الْحُمَيْدِيُّ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا سُفْيَانُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ الأَنْصَارِيُّ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ التَّيْمِيُّ، أَنَّهُ سَمِعَ عَلْقَمَةَ بْنَ وَقَّاصٍ اللَّيْثِيَّ، يَقُولُ سَمِعْتُ عُمَرَ بْنَ الْخَطَّابِ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ عَلَى الْمِنْبَرِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقُولُ " إِنَّمَا الأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّيَّاتِ، وَإِنَّمَا لِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ مَا نَوَى، فَمَنْ كَانَتْ هِجْرَتُهُ إِلَى دُنْيَا يُصِيبُهَا أَوْ إِلَى امْرَأَةٍ يَنْكِحُهَا فَهِجْرَتُهُ إِلَى مَا هَاجَرَ إِلَيْهِ ".
Tell us Hamidi Abdullah bin Zubair, said to us Sufian, said Yahya bin Saeed Ansari, said Mohammed bin Ibrahim told me Taymi, he heard Alqamah Bin Waqas Laithi, says I heard Omar ibn al-Khattab may Allah be pleased with him on the pulpit said: I heard the Messenger of Allah him says, "but business intentions, but each man what he intended, it had emigrated to get a minimum or a woman to marry Vahjrth immigrated to him."
Using Google translate? Really? You do realize the hadith you quoted doesn't make sense in English?
18.55 Shamsi getting told what to say and he follows it through...... shamefull la....... the other kid just cant be arsed with any bullshit or antics just wants to talk about topic whats wrong with that........ Shambo clearly doesnt deal well with that personality 💪🏼 ..... title very misleading
I didnt know Adam Sandler was such a devout muslim. 😮
14:34 I don't remember quoting a translation.
9:03 Quotes a wrong translation from the Quran
This man is a liar, a shape shifter that you should never trust! A theatrical act. Drama Queen.
He is really a drama queen lol.
Prophet Muhammad ﷺ asked us to follow him and we will get Allah's blessings.
He also narrated The Holy Qur'an to us.
Same man two statements.
How can one accept one and reject another?
Easily hadeeth was compiled long after he died and there has knowingly been false hadeeths circulating in the ummah you can lie and twist the words all you want the quran is clear on everything but no where does it mention a hadeeth outside of itself and it clearly says there was nothing left out of the book so hadeeth is outside of the book and not the words of allah so yea
Shamsi could be right however if he is sincere in being a Daa'i and if identified that the brother was wrong he should've sat down with the brother in private without the crowd and cameras. If he already did and if he saw that the brother is persistent then he should never debated him in public because he already knew the outcome.
Also if Shamsi is sincere about being a Daa'i he shouldn't be hasty on making takfirs, and telling people how his opponent doesn't pray salaat and that he got brainwashed by certain individuals. It's a personal attack and it's not certain.
Sooo Mali ad hominem is the go to tactic all losers resort to when they lose an argument.
You said: If Shamsi is sincere he should advise him privately YET you are advising Shamsi without his PRESENCE and OPENLY
@@MAli99923 if you are going to quote me, do it properly.
My exact words were "If Shamsi is SINCERE about being a DAA'I"
I am not a DAA'I my brother.
A DAA'I can not conduct himself how he wants my brother. And that's why if you are going to take that responsibility you shouldn't conduct yourself how you want. You are not the same as other people
@@sooomali9705 Are we all not representing Islaam?
@@sooomali9705 Also you used the word "If"
"If Shamsi is SINCERE about being a DAA'I"
That means he never claimed to be a daa'i. And henceforth you had no right to say what you said since its all conjecture.
This shamsi guy likes to hear his own voice....this is a debate not a lecture
It that you
That dude is a joke
Jazakallahu Khaira.
Quranists: We believe as God says - that Quran can stand alone, is complete, perfect & easy to understand. Hadithists: Quran is nothing without hadith books!!
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@@LETSUNITEUPONHAQQ wait you know somali😂😂😂
@@yur3k847 I'm somali bro lol
What can we do bro 🤷🏿♂️
That guy is embarrassing himself when he only accepts Quran as a source of revelation and yet relies on google to check the context, while the one he’s arguing against memorizes it and educates him about it.
I don’t claim to be Sunni
Allah is my lord
Islam is my religion
Muslim are my people
16.18 min When shamsi said 'ah she's Gona follow us its the shaytaan' 😂😂😂
At around 12 mins is where he brings the proof.
Speakers corner at nighttime is dangerous hahah
I’ve seen brothers like Ahmed he doesn’t want to take a L by any means and he’ll use any tactic slippery guy
This quraani guy is crazy...
As for those who believe, do good, and have faith in what has been revealed to Muḥammad-which is the truth from their Lord-He will absolve them of their sins and improve their condition. This is because the disbelievers follow falsehood, while the believers follow the truth from their Lord. This is how Allah shows people their true state ˹of faith˺.
Muhammad:2-3
Let's just talk about the hadiths that everyone is thinking about and that's the Hadith of Abu dawood , covers sharia law and some crazy stories about murder, which go against the Quran when god talked about killing people
I hope this guy found the right path.
This guy is a 'calamity'.. 😀
He is not scared it's just shamis broke the rule.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pray according to your understanding of logic
My team, when you have an interview or a corresponding call, you have the right to time, but you are because you entered something else
You lot cant follow simple agreement its clear shamsi is surrounded by fan boys . Man shamsi will normal mad can have civil convo btw I'm not in ahmed side I just want people to follow what they agreed upon to have a fruitful convo
Agrees to a timelimit, then goes over it gets, then resorts to his same old clownish behavior pointing and looking for justification from the crowd hahaha Shamsi is a clown
No one's clowning around. Realistically, how much can someone say in a minute? Questions can be short, but answers usually aren't.