The first bus you show has Swedish plates, so I checked the plates with the registry. It's a LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) engine, 12.7 liters, 411hp using an automatic gearbox. The tank that you showed is 730dm3 (730 liters) of size. The bus is 14m long, 2.55m wide and 3.93m tall. The last axle can turn the wheels as well. It weighs 19946kg and is allowed to take 6554kg of cargo. It fits 53 passengers + 1 driver.
Scania, Volvo, MAN, VDL, all make bus and coach chassis which are supplied to coach builders for bodywork ad interior. In the first coach, Irizar is the coach builder.
Today I was on a Plaxton Panther 3-bodied Volvo B8R. The Volvo chassies are delivered to Scarborough, North Yorkshire where Plaxton build their bodies on them, resulting in the finished coaches.
I drive 15 meter (49 ft) Scania Irizar coaches daily. These are very reliable, fuel efficient, quiet and nice to drive coaches. Our coaches have more luxurious interior (than those on video) with less seats and more legroom, individual infotainment system (like in airplanes), coffee machine etc, some coaches have 2+1 seat layout. The only drawback I can think is small driver area - I'm a tall driver and I do not find the drivers area as comfortable as in German (Mercedes-Benz, Setra, Neoplan, MAN) or Dutch (VDL) coaches. The coach on the first video is brand new Irizar i6S Efficient body that came in production this year. We have currently 10 of these with 450 hp diesel powered Scania chassis (the one on the video is powered by liquified methane or LNG), 12 speed automated manual. These new buses have digital mirrors, a very clever GPS assisted cruise control that tracks the landscape and selects the most efficient gear. I have 18 litres / 100km (or 13 mpg) fuel economy that I've never seen on any other coaches.
The first bus may have a Scania motor, but the bus is an IRIZAR, a basque company based in a village called Ormaiztegi. It is a cooperative, the workers own the company.
As someone from Spain, this is so shocking to me, something I see everyday, for like my entire 19 years of life, seeing these buses, its so normal, and to see someone saying that these are ''phenomal, amazing, luxurious'' Its so strange, like we use those scania buses as SCHOOL BUSES... for my schools we did.
You were lucky then :) They are seriously luxurious and comfortable for their class. I understand that they look normal if you see them every day. The same goes here with the doubly articulated city buses: they are 25 meters long, they consist of three bending parts and have four axles. They are phenomenal and amazing, but I think they are normal because I am used to them.
The Irizar Scania at the start of the video is a vehicle with bodywork by the Spanish coachbuilder Irizar built onto a Swedish Scania chassis and is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell with a claimed range of about 620 miles. It derived from the traditionally powered i6 model.
Ian, you can see at about 1:50 the lack of rear view mirrors, there are cameras instead. You can see the associated monitor at about 4:50. Not unusual anymore in Europe!
A note on coach buses like the very first one in this video: they are not always completely built by a brand like Scania or Volvo. There are a lot of coachbuilders around, like Irizar on the first bus. They designed and built this complete bus on a Scania chassis with (most likely) a Scania engine. Back in the day, it was even possible to have a coachbuilder build a bus on a DAF chassis with a Cummins engine and Voith transmission. Three brands in one, that is something you only regularly see in buses. City buses are more like trucks, they are most of the time fully built by one brand, like a Van Hool AG300 or a Mercedes-Benz Citaro. And about mirrors: they did not take them off on the first bus, it doesn't need them. The first bus has cameras all around. Note the displays in the cabin at 4:50, those act as mirrors. This is done so the huge mirrors on the bus at 7:50 are not needed :)
Howdy! Irizar is a Spanish coachbuilder, located in the Santander area, in Spain. There are many coachbuilders in that area, among the best in the world. Irizar produces several body models for several brands, which come with their own chassis, engine and transmission. That body from Irizar, you can also see it with the emblem of MAN, Mercedes or even DAF (in this case I think the emblem is an "i" from Irizar and not simply "DAF") for example. Regarding that tank, about which you are wondering what is the matter with it, I think it is for CNG (Compressed Natural Gas), which CNG is injected together with diesel. Another Spanish coachbuilder that comes to mind is Beulas, from Catalonia. Check out the Scania Beulas Glory, it's a marvel of a coach, which has seats for passengers even above the driver, even in the version without a double deck, and this coach model also has a version with a double deck. There are many coachbuilders in Europe, who make some beautiful models and which you can find under different brands, such as Scania, MAN, Mercedes, etc.... In addition to these coachbuilders, who produce for the brands mentioned above, there are also other coach manufacturers, such as Setra or Neoplan, or others, who produce their own coaches. Beautiful day and greetings from Romania!
With the Tank situation on the irizar, iirc that is a LNG (liquified Natural gas tank), quite common on the truck counterparts, CNG usually have smaller banks of tanks instead of a singular tank due to the compressed nature of the fuel.
The Irizar factory is not in Santander, in that area is "Setra", from the Mercedes group. Irizar is in the town of Ormaiztegui, Guipuzcoa - Basque Country and they also have factories in Mexico, Brazil and Morocco.
Irizar isn't a bus model from Scania, it is a coach body manufacturer. That specific bus uses a Scania bus chassis, with a Irizar body on top. This happens with other busses too, for example a Marcopolo coach body on top of a Volvo bus chassis
I used to build Scania coaches in Melbourne, we extended the chassis and added a space frame before they went off to the body builder in Adelaide. We often ended up working into the evenings to meet deadlines and because the boss wasn't around we would throw a kitchen chair on the front and take them for a spin round the industrial area😂
In Sweden that's called a Bio-Gas powered bus. It runs on gas made from methane gas that's extracted from for example city-dumps. They drive down long pipes in the ground and pumps up the methane gas that comes from old buried garbage. The garbage creates methane when it's being composted underground. And then that gas gets refined to the the Liquid Bio-Gas fuel.
@petter5721 That's for the most part true, but not entirely. Sweden does recycle the majority of the garbage and waste materials that's transported to our recycling facilities / city-dumps, but as a truck-driver who has been to several of these facilities numerous times I can say that there's a lot of stuff that ends up in the ground as landfill, none toxic ofcourse but still.
off on a random... when i was little in the uk my school bus went right through the countryside... at one point we hit a small humpback bridge.. so we would all sit at the back of the bus... the driver knew we loved it so he drove faster to hit the bridge, you hit the hump and shot up hit the roof and landed one seat back.... the fun you have as a kid lol
I used to work for a coach company that had an all-Scania fleet with a mix of Irizar, Higer and Scania's own bodies. Lovely things to drive that have an ingenious hill-descent control mode for the cruise control. Two-axle Irizars felt a bit top-heavy for my liking, though, three-axle ones feel much more secure. MANs are my favourite to drive because the engines are really smooth and quiet, and the brakes are beautifully progressive. DAFs are a close second because they have deep wells of power and torque. But, if you swap between lots of coaches, you're always glad of a Volvo because the controls are so logically laid out. I once got into a Temsa and couldn't find anything.
I'm from Luxembourg. I used to live in a very small town but I worked in Luxembourg-city (the capital). For a few days, I couldn't use my car, so I took the bus to work and I was surprised that they used one of these huge busses (always thought those were only for long distance trips). The first day, I was looking out the window all the time with my eyes wide open and thinking _"Oh my God, oh my God, is he going to make it?!"_ The streets in these small rural towns are so small but the bus driver looked like he could do it in his sleep! P.S. Don't let the average income per person in Luxembourg fool you! We only have like 600 000 inhabitants. The minimum wage is around 2000€/month and *a lot* if not *most* people get paid the minimum wage or slightly above. We have a lot of banks, so it only takes a dozen of bank CEOs to earn a fortune to completely change the average income and make it look like _everyone_ here earns a lot.
In Romania we call those autocar, not a bus. Because it's used for long distance trips, usually hired by travel agencies. Not something that just has regular, multiple times a day routes.
Worked as a buss mechanic for the county and city busses for a couple of years in the south of Sweden and worked on a few different brands and modells, both CNG and diesel. Scania: were my favourite to work on. Good layout, easy to work on engines, the whole undercarriage was easy to change parts on when they were worn out and good software for fault searching, a lot of information when trying to fix stuff and you often got the problem through that before even opening the engine compartment. Also simple to drive. Volvo: were a hit or miss. Good internal layout and the undercarriage was easy to work on. But as with many Volvo's (busses and machines) they were a pain in the arse to work on the engine due to engineers not thinking logically. And the versions that had the engines on the side could go and F-off. Decent drive as well. Fault software was okay, didn't really work with it until I changed to work with construction machines. Good info and help when fixing stuff. Solaris: (polish brand) were a decent brand and had taken many good things from other brands when they built them. My only complaint was the damned Cummins gas engine where if you accidently bent the pipe to the turbo even slightly when removing the valve cover (and it was nearly impossible to not bend it) you would have a headache in the coming weeks with a sudden loss of engine power. Their fault search software was also meh as depending what you wanted to check you had to connect it to different parts of the buss. Van Hool: Like the Scania but bigger. They built the double deckers on the Scania Chassis and with Scania engines and gearboxes. Heavy bastards that made working under them all the more sketchy. BYD: Chinese crap. Just a pain in the arse and the chinese engineers were over monthly due to bullshit that happened to them. They were electric so I did not work on the very often since I did not have the certification for High Voltage. And the absolutely worst of the bunch! MAN: Shit engines, bad designs, the wiring was spread out like a spiders web over the engine (so they dried up and nearly snapped right off) instead as with the other brands where they went in one main wire harness into the engine computers. The valves were on the side instead of on top (made checking the vales easy though) so every time you washed the engine you had to spend half an hour just blowing the water out from the sparkplugs (CNG engines are like petrol engines) They also looked like cheap budget crap at the drivers seat and always leaked coolant. Many of these busses were over ten years old as well and had driven a good part over 800000km so they were tired and were on their way out of the fleet. Both city traffic busses and county busses. I quit the job before the new busses joined the fleet and they were Mercedes and VDL for the most part, but since I have not worked on them I can't say anything about them.
Fyi these are Irizar buses, they just have chassis, axles and engines from a specific manufacturer. This particular one is a Scania, but they also do Volvos, Merc's and even some others. Some original Scania coaches are the Interlinks and the Touring
Like many people already explained, there are 2 facettes of the Bus/Coach Motoring world in Europe. First hand you got all-in-one manufacturers (which manufactures the chassis, engine and global powertrain, and the body) which is the case of almost every truck manufacturer, except DAF (which doesn't make buses, it only does engines and chassis for buses). Second hand you got bodybuilders which will use chassis and powertrains proposed by competent manufacturers (Mains are Scania, DAF, MAN and Volvo, Iveco in a less way, only for city buses in Europe inside their own group) and build a body over this chassis. There's definitely a lot of bodybuilders in Europe, especially in Iberian peninsula (With Irizar, Caetano, Beulas, and more) and also very known ones that are also present in the US (VanHool and Irizar have invaded the market for example) Now, there's a fair few different things between European buses and American Buses. First, all city buses are low floor (or mainly), which allows for more accessibility, thus, more bus usage, thus, less car usage in city centres. Second, the school bus market is really, really different from the American one, because, School buses in Europe are mainly built on existent intercity bus models or chassis, the only main modification is that the comfort equipment (such as A/C, roofracks, and such) has been removed. And third, mostly on premium coaches (like the ones that we seen in these videos, Irizar is pretty high end on these tourism executive models, like the i6), design matters. And also innovative ideas. But nowadays, design won on ideas. It is important for premium brands to have the sleekest and most consensual design to build their identity on. For example, a Neoplan Skyliner will have its own design, a bit quirky but very charming and different, which will not be the same as a Setra S531DT more conventional, which will also not be the same as a VanHool TDX25 Astromega which is more flat but really clean. At the end of the day the 3 coaches I've displayed above are double decker high end premium coaches, but they have their own identity, whereas in the US, almost every coach looks like each other, there's not that much work on design on US coaches rather than the rest of the world coaches. To end this book, you should definitely take a look at Neoplan. Even if MAN seemed to have calmed down this brand, in the 80s and 90s... What a brand. You should check out their proposal of... A double decker articulated coach. It's just pure genius.
American coaches look pretty different, american buses for all their problems are a lot more instantly iconic and identifiable, Also american coaches all look similar because they all come from MCI the same company. American buses look a bit better on the exterior, the RTS series is beautiful but all the european buses you mentioned just blend into eachother into some gray 2020s design block, european buses may be better but they are also pretty boring
CRW 77H you can find a lot of information about the bus at the Swedish Transport Agency. Length 14070 mm Number of belted passengers, max 53 Operating weight 19946 kg Engine power 302 kW Automatic transmission Tank volume for gas 730 liters axis:3 steerable
Years ago in Northern Ireland the bare bus chasis which had the engine fitted came across via ferry from mainland UK to the Wright factory in Ballymena to be made into a complete bus / coach unit. we used to see the drivers getting these open chasis up the motorway from Belfast to Ballymena dressed like a world war one pilot Biggles with googles driving up the motorway in an open frame chasis but this has now stopped and they are transported from the ferry to the factory via truck / low loader transport.
We just got the Irizar i6 in the U.S., but it's one length only (45 ft./13.7 m), I'm sure it's a chassisless monocoque-framed integral form of construction (like the i8 model), and the U.S. version has a Cummins engine and Allison automatic gearbox. Not much, but it's a start. I saw a few in the wild here in Southern California and, it looks pretty impressive compared to anything from MCI, Prevost and Van Hool, IMO!
As someone from Indonesia, hearing you say "I didn't know that you can make bus look modern." It's so shocking for me, because in Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, Thailand, South Korea, China, Taipei, those kind of buses are everywhere, most of the bus in Indonesia at least looking like in this video, China, Taipei and Japan even have way more futuristic looking buses that in this video.
Do you know that Greyhound Bus were started by Swedes. In 1914, Eric Wickman, a 27-year-old Swedish immigrant, was laid off from his job as a drill operator at a mine in Alice, Minnesota. He became a Hupmobile salesman in Hibbing, Minnesota, and, when he could not sell the first seven-passenger Hupmobile that he received, he began using it along with fellow Swedish immigrant Andy "Bus Andy" Anderson and C. A. A. "Arvid" Heed to transport iron ore miners two miles from Hibbing to Alice for 15 cents per ride. Wickman made $2.25 on his first run. 🤠🤠🤠
The origin of Scania started as the truck divison of SAAB also making aeroplanes and cars. The cars division was later sold to GM that again sold it to somebody that did not succeed. Scania was sold to Volkswagen that also owns MAN in Germany. There are Scania city buses, bendy buses and coaches. Some buses are Scania only and some ars assembled by coach builders like Irizar of Spain and Higer of China,
The passenger seats in that first one are luxury compared to many coaches we have in the UK where you wouldn't want to spend more than half an hour, let alone two hours or more of arse-numbing seats with hardly any support or cushioning. The driver has a special seat with its own suspension which is a given as they're spending far more time sat down compared to anyone else using coaches. Have a look for episodes of BBC's 'Inside the Factory' as there's a couple of episodes that show double decker buses and London taxis being built. In many cases, adhesive bonding has replaced spot welding in the construction of the bodywork.
In my city in Sweden we have Volvo Electric Buses for routes within the city limits, and we have biogas-buses for longer travels. And the gas comes from household waste and is thus produced locally from the food based waste people throw away.
I don't know of its the same, but in saw a documentary for a sewage tretment plant in swizetland where they made both biogas as well as solid fire fuel from sewage and then also recycles phosfor and nitrogen from the sewage.
@@matsv201 Might be, not so well versed with it but there are treatment plants where the waste goes and gets recycled and many things are taken out of it. This is why recycling and placing trash in the correct bins is so important in Sweden. Everything is taken care of, and the things that can not be recycled such as food waste are turned into fuel. Almost every medium sized city and above will have their own plant like this. They also burn excess waste for heating. Many homes are not heated individually but has a pipe coming in with hot water from this treatment plant, that hot water is their hot water in the house, so no need for a water heater, and it also flows through the radiators providing heating for the homes. It's ingenious really. It is a lot more efficient heating tens of thousands of homes from one source rather than every home having their own electric heating of water and temperature indoors. This also means you can't run out of hot water while showering ;) Nice added benefit. + The large scale of this means it is a lot cheaper for every individual home as opposed to heating your water and home with electricity.
@@tobias_dahlberg Yes i seen that to. The issue with biogas busses is that they have lower efficiency than diesel busses, quite a lot so. I would say a better use of biogas is either as peak electricity production of using it to synthesize other fuel
One thing is the body maker, the other the powerplant maker. Both you saw there are Irizars on Scania Powerplant. You can see all sort combinations of both here in Europe. Irizar is a Basque company.
10:20 luxembourg has really good roads overall, so tire noise is really low. but buses and trucks have a tendancy to get stuck in some roads in the capital. Downhill/Uphill with really tight corners, small roads, and sometimes small bridges/doors in the medieval walls.
7:30 turning these beasts is tough, but with the help of rear wheel steer, it definitely makes it a lot easier. You’ll see many of these rear-axle steer coaches in major cities all over the UK, the National Express group run a lot of them
Those aren't Scania buses, they're Irizar coaches with a Scania running gear/engine. You can also have MAN, Iveco, Daf, Volvo and Mercedes, or Cummins for the US market.
The mirrors on the first bus were 360 cameras. If you watch back, you'll see LCD screens at the left and right hand of the drivers cabin. This is becoming more popular in Europe now where mirrors on trucks and buses have been replaced with cameras and LCD screens on the inside.
Irizar is good for warm and moderate climate but here in the northern Europe (like Finland that I’m from) where the climate is freezing down to -30 degrees centigrade you need more insulation from the cold and especially from the moisture.
Scania has a great range of buses and coaches, mainly done as a chassis solely with external bodyworks, few ones are Integral models. Those on the video are bodybuilded by Irizar in Spain, the same company which builded the Lamborghini LM002. Scania's bus range start with front-engined models, to rear-engined models, from 250 to 460 bhp. 5 or 6 cylinder engines, 7 to 12 liters, diesel, CNG, LPG or electric powered.
As long as Scania doesn't build the body as well, you're probably grand. Here in Waterland, The Netherlands, we got Scania Omnilinks when Arriva took over transport in 2006. Besides the Omnilinks we had Citaro's (annoying deep hum from the engine basically no matter where you sat down) and VDL Ambassadors with the worst door-option possible (sliding doors that would malfunction rather often). But from all the buses we had, the Scania's failed the most, especially the front-door mechanism would regularly fail to open the door completely and the worst is just the overall construction quality: everything inside is squeaky, crackling and what not, even after years of service with distances well into the hundreds of thousands of kilometers and almost all interior parts just have a bad fit: basically everywhere they meet, there's an ugly gap. The side-contourlights seem to be a forgotten thing in the interior: instead of using flat LED-units, they are still incandescents, and thus stick out into the interior. The powertrain sucks and the buses have tendency to cause an annoying lurge forward when shifting from the first gear to second and from second to third, same with braking, which just does not seem to be possible in a smooth manner. When Arriva was replaced by EBS in 2012, I was sad to see they had chosen Scania Omnilinks AGAIN... Fortunately, they are now slowly being replaced by EBUSCO's Ebusco 3.0 buses, a rather new Dutch brand of buses. No idea of they built their own chassis' or not.
@@weeardguy If in Europe Scania buses are pretty seen in many routes, you can't imagine the presence in South American roads, they are kings of the road, mainly seen under Marcopolo, Comil, Busscar or Modasa DDs or Irizar coaches. In the last 10 years Scania starting to get more presence in urban South American cities, being Brazil, Mexico and recently Colombia and Chile their main users (because BRT systems). In these two countries Scania started to offer massively Euro 6 buses sooner than Volvo, Mercedes or Volkswagen.
Those Irizar coaches are pretty much the norm here in Sweden now; I work with cruise ships, and maybe 60% of the coaches are similar to that first one. And yes, it’s big - that’s a 14-15 metre coach. Decent turning circle, though I’ve seen one reverse onto the mirrors of the one behind it before now. Many of them have cameras with internal screens instead of actual mirrors now. Oh, and even though they’re big - I’m almost 2 metres tall and fatter than I’d like, so when we go aboard to check boarding passes… we’ll, let’s just say I send one of my smaller colleagues on for that. The coach isn’t big enough for me and my duty belt.
Living in Australia for most of my life before moving to the UK I drove for Greyhound Australia ( no relation to Greyhound USA) Up until the mid 90's Greyhound Australia used imported Eagle and MCI coaches with 2 stroke Detroit Diesel engines as well as Australian built coaches with US running gear. Irizar coaches are now the mainstay of Greyhound Australia using chassis from Scania, Volvo and Mercedes. I have driven most model coaches here in the UK, and my favourite is the Van Hool powered by DAF. I used to drive them regularly from London to Dublin, and also London to Paris.
You where right (kinda) about Luxembourg. The sound has also something to do withe prestenn roads we have here (the downside is that one tiny "pothole means working on the road until relly fixed good). We have Scanias. But nowadays it is mainly Mercedes-Benz and Volvo. We have hybrid buses, full eletric and hydrogen driven buses (but still the usual fuel... less and less tho). The main thing is that all (really all... trains etc) the public transports are free. And I mean, you don't need a card or anything, you just step on the bus, train, wathever without having to show anything and you dont' have to worry at all. Maybe this and the fact the the seats and all that are nice helps the fact that nobody whants to "degrade" them.
Another great video from you IWrocker, a bus you gotta check out is the Marcopolo Paradiso from Brazil. They are based on scania, Volvo and Mercedes benz chassis,but they are huge and super unique compared to the coaches you see in North America and even Europe. Definitely something you should feature on the channel!
Where I lived in Spain - I moved 11 years ago, the Irizar bus at the beginning was used as a public service bus - obviously older and one step down on luxury (no toilet). They were comfortable and great when out of the city but weren't considered in anyway phenomenal. The mirrors on trucks and buses are being replaced by cameras and screens but they are not universally popular.
Hi Ian, with the 3 axle coaches the front axle of the rear 2 axles is a steering axle, which really helps with those tight turns. Just spend 3 weeks in June travelling around UK and Ireland, and 2 weeks in July travelling around Europe in these Scanias and they are very comfortable to ride in as a passenger Cheers, Garry from DownUnder
Hi there. Happy that you found your way into buses too 😊. As a former truck driver AND bus driver this is interesting to watch. Drive trucks for a couple of years but buses for over 20! What you need to know about buses in Europe is that there are both full builds and also a lot of companies just making bodies but not engines and chassis. So the first bus in the video is a SCANIA/Irizar coach. SCANIA made the drivetrain chassis gearbox and engine for this coach but Spanish Irizar made the body and interior on top. This is common in Europe. But there are also fully built SCANIA, VOLVO, MAN, Mercedes, IVECO buses and so on. Also a lot of coach builders like VanHool, Irizar, and others that only make bodies and let you choose chassis and engines. So the market is a bit different.
These buses are used mainly as Inter City and Regional buses. In the city traffic the buses are built differently. With the steering back axel a tight turn like that is done pretty comfortably.
We have Volvo, Scania, Mercedes and other brands of BUS in Portugal also. ^^ Buses in Europe usually are diesel, electric and liquid gas. These buses have their you've seen have the engines on the back
Wow it looks crazy having the door on that side and left hand drive. God I done bus trips with one job and they need a toilet and a way to sleep, the Australian ones I was on didn't have either 😬🤦
As a Norwegian bus driver, I would just say that I love your channel, and just subscribed... As I have family in Spokane, WA, I have been to the US many times. In the USA you will find many wonderful cars and planes, but the US are, at least until now, far behind large parts of Europe, when it comes to buses! Stay safe!
I worked on the Scania chassi assembly line primarily engine assembly and rear axle. Can relate with Domingodesantaclara, racing around on the chassi frame is awesome. Sadly when they moved it all to the main assembly factory. It ment no more late night hotdog runs to the gas station on the chassis...
I've tried a 12h ride on an American greyhound... looks classic cool from the outside... but damn passengers sit close considering how long the rides are... and basically no luxury for the driver, that's expected to stay alert the whole time, and be ready if a couple of passengers gets into a fight over the little space they have. 2 hour routes in Denmark offers more space per passenger and usually at least one USB power outlet, a tray table and WiFi.
Look at a video on the gliders in nothern ireland, theyre purple 0 emissions double decker and stretch busses, they replaced our old red busses a number of years ago, theyre super quiet and comfortable and are covered in purple neon lights, theyre kinda sci fi looking in a way.
As others have said, Scania provide a rolling chassis, including all driveline components, and the rest is done by coach builders. Coach builders such as Irizar will provide the same body designs for a mix of different chassis. In Australia, for instance, just about all buses on the road, either use Scania, Volvo, MAN, or Mercedes-Benz chassis, but from the outside, they all look the same. In other words, 2 identical buses can be next to each other 1 a Scania & 1 a Volvo & the badge is the only way to spot the difference from the outside.
The first bus at the show it was fitted with cameras and did not have side mirrors in one view you can see the TV screen on the window pillour with its top wide angle and bottom long view
Irizar is a coachbuilder from Catalonia, Spain. You can specify them with Volvo, Daf, Man etc. running gear, but Scania is their default. With buses in Europe a coachbuilder will order driving chassis from companies like Scania and build a body on top of it. Personally I'd call this an Irizar, the drive train being irrelevance.
I was a bus driver in Adelaide for 17 years, just recently retired and we had Scania buses in our fleet. But they were all low floor buses and we could raise them and lower them, wheelchairs were able to get on board.
We get a lot of these bus models in Australia too. The Irizars are becoming quite popular as a lot of our local manufacturers are pretty overwhelmed or have retired from the industry.
Hello. I have driven a city bus here in Tronheim Norway for more than 23 years. The longest buses we have are Van Hool diesel-electric buses that are 24 meters long. To be agile in city traffic, they are bi-articulated or double-articulated so that the bus consists of three sections.
i am a busdriver for the local transit agency "BVG" in Berlin, Germany and I only drive Mercedes Citaro Busses as 12m (solo) and 18m (articulated) varients. They are quiet comfortable for City Busses and nice to drive with some nice ameneties for us drivers. Our Company also has a few other Brands as in Solaris (Polish), Scania, Ebusco and VDL (Dutch), Alexander Dennis (scottish) and a few older MAN double deckers left Our Busses are either pure Diesel or Full Electric but the goal is to electrify the whole fleet until 2030
With the* preesteen* (and forgot about the really nice tram and "funicular" or "telepheric"). You don't have to be a resident to get it all free, the tourists etc have the free ride to
This is a coach...usually its used for transportation over long-distance distances. Its probably running on LNG or LPG. Some scania engines on lng use OTTO cycle so they have sparkplugs like a gasoline engine. The demo bus missing mirrors could have camera's. Our city busses are usually low floored for easy entrance and less luxurious.
The first Scania on the the beginning of the video, you missed the camera mirrors, there's tablet screens on either side inside the cabin, so instead of normal mirrors you have cameras, other cameras surround the bus.
hey. Nice video like always 🤜🤛 I've been a fan of buses since I was a kid. Today I am a bus driver in Portugal. 🇵🇹 Those tight streets that you saw in the video in England are very common roads throughout Europe. And they are places we have to pass by bus every day.
As a swedish bus driver. I really love our Scanias. The ones i use to drive i Scania citywide and interlink. Mercedes intouro and MAN Lion city E articulated are some really good buses aswell.
I’m a bus driver in Norway I have been bus driver for 20 years. The first Scania bus you saw in the beginning of the video. Have no traditional mirror it’s a camera mirror . It’s a thing that came to Europe in 2021 .
In Europe, the majority of buses for medium/long haul/international are very comfortable. Some companies even offer 3 seats per row. Specialized builders make cabins with chassis from VOLVO, SCANIA, Mercedes Benz, and MAN among others. It is common to have this kind of "luxury" "😎
12:55 - _"bizarre"_ ??? as the picture is labeled, this is an _"electric, autonomous and modular vehicle"_ some companies for local public transport are experimenting with similar buses over here in germany
National Express’ Caetano Levante 3 might interest you- Scania powered, massive tri-axle coach! I used to drive them when they came into service in 2018- simply awesome vehicles
City buses are quite a bit less interesting. Not many cities buy Scania buses to save money. They mostly buy the IVECO/SOR/Irisbus/Renault group(All from the same factory, just different badges). Most of them are from around 2013-2015 and often don't even have an AC. They might look good enough from the outside but often are really shaky, rattly and overheat in summer. There are also some really cool city bus types. Like "joint" articulated buses which are basically a front bus with the rear cut off connected through an accordion-like joint to another bus with the front cut off. Some cities are now switching back to diesel or upgrading to electric buses as CNG prices suddenly quadrupled because of Russia cutting off their supply.
My wife and I went for a drive one day (she was driving) and finished up in Luxembourg which was pretty nice. We live in the Netherlands, she is Dutch but I am an Aussie so your videos pretty much cover all of my bases 🙂 Love all the videos mate and keep em coming.
As a Swede, I'm so used to seeing Scania and Volvo buses and coaches that watching your reaction is priceless. A lot of busses here are bio-LNG/biomethane, and that tank looks like it's gas. My dream project car is biomethane converting a BMW 3 series, as it's the most environmentally friendly option. It has the potential to beat EVs, together with bio-diesel, another common view here. You need to react to the Volvo buses with hydraulic systems which make it easier for elderly and disabled passenger to get on, the driver just temporarily slams the bus.
Try finding a video of a coach builder from Indonesia called "Adi Putro". They used various chassis from Mercedes, Scania, Hino etc, but the coach products are pretty extra ordinary
The new one in the first video didnt have the big mirrors because that one had cameras instead of mirrors, I guess you didnt notice those screens up by the drivers seat
the amount of times iv been in those toilets going down twisty roads trying to have a pee. legs as far apart as possible... legs notice a corner so you stop peeing.... you get there in the end lol
Check out Setra and Neoplan buses. Especially the Neoplan Jumbocruiser from the 90's. Double-decker AND articulated. Only 11 made. I have seen 2 of them. In Sweden there are tests being made with doubly articulated buses. Especially in Gothenburg and Malmö.
The Neoplan Jumbocruiser was built in the 70's. Not many of them as there were only 11 UNITS in all, but what's sweet about that sucker is its engine... A MERCEDES-BENZ V12 DIESEL (no turbos) 😁😁😁
The first ones were built 1975, but the last one 1992. I have personally seen 2 of them. An older version in Malmö (Sweden) with a conference room with kitchen at the lower rear. A modern one at Dachau outside Munich (Germany).
Check through all pictures on the net and you will find at least one with double axles on the rear part. The style is way more modern than the earlier ones. Check out english Wikipedia for when it was manufactured. I think you can find even more reputable sources out there.
@da206hbe Wait. Now that you mentioned that, I did see something like that and the engine was in the rear, not in the middle (and attached to the front section) below the bellows/articulating joint)!
It was as you figured out a tourist bus, I belive that Scania dont build buses, only deliver chassis to bus builders? However, I live in Gothenburg.. Volvo country, they have a bus section in Borås, I think they only build public transportation buses, but altso deliver chassis for "bus builders"!
The first bus you show has Swedish plates, so I checked the plates with the registry. It's a LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) engine, 12.7 liters, 411hp using an automatic gearbox. The tank that you showed is 730dm3 (730 liters) of size. The bus is 14m long, 2.55m wide and 3.93m tall. The last axle can turn the wheels as well. It weighs 19946kg and is allowed to take 6554kg of cargo. It fits 53 passengers + 1 driver.
De Rolls Royce onder de bussen cq de touringcars is Setra gevolgd door Neoplan en Van Hool
Scania, Volvo, MAN, VDL, all make bus and coach chassis which are supplied to coach builders for bodywork ad interior. In the first coach, Irizar is the coach builder.
This! Irizar is a Spanish coach body manufacturer, and they seem to primarily use Scania chassis/engine combos.
Today I was on a Plaxton Panther 3-bodied Volvo B8R. The Volvo chassies are delivered to Scarborough, North Yorkshire where Plaxton build their bodies on them, resulting in the finished coaches.
don't forget Mercedes also makes buses aswell as daewoo.
I drive 15 meter (49 ft) Scania Irizar coaches daily. These are very reliable, fuel efficient, quiet and nice to drive coaches. Our coaches have more luxurious interior (than those on video) with less seats and more legroom, individual infotainment system (like in airplanes), coffee machine etc, some coaches have 2+1 seat layout. The only drawback I can think is small driver area - I'm a tall driver and I do not find the drivers area as comfortable as in German (Mercedes-Benz, Setra, Neoplan, MAN) or Dutch (VDL) coaches.
The coach on the first video is brand new Irizar i6S Efficient body that came in production this year. We have currently 10 of these with 450 hp diesel powered Scania chassis (the one on the video is powered by liquified methane or LNG), 12 speed automated manual. These new buses have digital mirrors, a very clever GPS assisted cruise control that tracks the landscape and selects the most efficient gear. I have 18 litres / 100km (or 13 mpg) fuel economy that I've never seen on any other coaches.
The first bus may have a Scania motor, but the bus is an IRIZAR, a basque company based in a village called Ormaiztegi. It is a cooperative, the workers own the company.
As someone from Spain, this is so shocking to me, something I see everyday, for like my entire 19 years of life, seeing these buses, its so normal, and to see someone saying that these are ''phenomal, amazing, luxurious'' Its so strange, like we use those scania buses as SCHOOL BUSES... for my schools we did.
You were lucky then :) They are seriously luxurious and comfortable for their class. I understand that they look normal if you see them every day. The same goes here with the doubly articulated city buses: they are 25 meters long, they consist of three bending parts and have four axles. They are phenomenal and amazing, but I think they are normal because I am used to them.
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Pretty much all spanish schools have them
Same. We had very similar coaches as school buses in Brussels in the late 1990s.
The Irizar Scania at the start of the video is a vehicle with bodywork by the Spanish coachbuilder Irizar built onto a Swedish Scania chassis and is powered by a hydrogen fuel cell with a claimed range of about 620 miles. It derived from the traditionally powered i6 model.
Remember Scania only delivers the chassi all body and interior work is done by Irizar.
Ian, you can see at about 1:50 the lack of rear view mirrors, there are cameras instead. You can see the associated monitor at about 4:50. Not unusual anymore in Europe!
A note on coach buses like the very first one in this video: they are not always completely built by a brand like Scania or Volvo. There are a lot of coachbuilders around, like Irizar on the first bus. They designed and built this complete bus on a Scania chassis with (most likely) a Scania engine. Back in the day, it was even possible to have a coachbuilder build a bus on a DAF chassis with a Cummins engine and Voith transmission. Three brands in one, that is something you only regularly see in buses. City buses are more like trucks, they are most of the time fully built by one brand, like a Van Hool AG300 or a Mercedes-Benz Citaro.
And about mirrors: they did not take them off on the first bus, it doesn't need them. The first bus has cameras all around. Note the displays in the cabin at 4:50, those act as mirrors. This is done so the huge mirrors on the bus at 7:50 are not needed :)
If you see electronic tv screans replacing rear mirrors its coming om buses/coahes too as You could see on the först Irizar/Scania coach
Howdy! Irizar is a Spanish coachbuilder, located in the Santander area, in Spain. There are many coachbuilders in that area, among the best in the world. Irizar produces several body models for several brands, which come with their own chassis, engine and transmission. That body from Irizar, you can also see it with the emblem of MAN, Mercedes or even DAF (in this case I think the emblem is an "i" from Irizar and not simply "DAF") for example. Regarding that tank, about which you are wondering what is the matter with it, I think it is for CNG (Compressed Natural Gas), which CNG is injected together with diesel. Another Spanish coachbuilder that comes to mind is Beulas, from Catalonia. Check out the Scania Beulas Glory, it's a marvel of a coach, which has seats for passengers even above the driver, even in the version without a double deck, and this coach model also has a version with a double deck. There are many coachbuilders in Europe, who make some beautiful models and which you can find under different brands, such as Scania, MAN, Mercedes, etc.... In addition to these coachbuilders, who produce for the brands mentioned above, there are also other coach manufacturers, such as Setra or Neoplan, or others, who produce their own coaches. Beautiful day and greetings from Romania!
With the Tank situation on the irizar, iirc that is a LNG (liquified Natural gas tank), quite common on the truck counterparts, CNG usually have smaller banks of tanks instead of a singular tank due to the compressed nature of the fuel.
The Irizar factory is not in Santander, in that area is "Setra", from the Mercedes group. Irizar is in the town of Ormaiztegui, Guipuzcoa - Basque Country and they also have factories in Mexico, Brazil and Morocco.
irizar is located in Ormáiztegui (Ormaiztegi in basque), not in Santander.
Irizar isn't a bus model from Scania, it is a coach body manufacturer. That specific bus uses a Scania bus chassis, with a Irizar body on top. This happens with other busses too, for example a Marcopolo coach body on top of a Volvo bus chassis
I used to build Scania coaches in Melbourne, we extended the chassis and added a space frame before they went off to the body builder in Adelaide. We often ended up working into the evenings to meet deadlines and because the boss wasn't around we would throw a kitchen chair on the front and take them for a spin round the industrial area😂
In Sweden that's called a Bio-Gas powered bus. It runs on gas made from methane gas that's extracted from for example city-dumps. They drive down long pipes in the ground and pumps up the methane gas that comes from old buried garbage. The garbage creates methane when it's being composted underground. And then that gas gets refined to the the Liquid Bio-Gas fuel.
Awesome 👍🏻
But Sweden have no landfills, gas is extracted from food waste.
You can also produce methane gas from sewage treatment plants, so multiple possible sources for methane...
@petter5721 That's for the most part true, but not entirely.
Sweden does recycle the majority of the garbage and waste materials that's transported to our recycling facilities / city-dumps, but as a truck-driver who has been to several of these facilities numerous times I can say that there's a lot of stuff that ends up in the ground as landfill, none toxic ofcourse but still.
off on a random... when i was little in the uk my school bus went right through the countryside... at one point we hit a small humpback bridge.. so we would all sit at the back of the bus... the driver knew we loved it so he drove faster to hit the bridge, you hit the hump and shot up hit the roof and landed one seat back.... the fun you have as a kid lol
I used to work for a coach company that had an all-Scania fleet with a mix of Irizar, Higer and Scania's own bodies. Lovely things to drive that have an ingenious hill-descent control mode for the cruise control. Two-axle Irizars felt a bit top-heavy for my liking, though, three-axle ones feel much more secure.
MANs are my favourite to drive because the engines are really smooth and quiet, and the brakes are beautifully progressive. DAFs are a close second because they have deep wells of power and torque. But, if you swap between lots of coaches, you're always glad of a Volvo because the controls are so logically laid out. I once got into a Temsa and couldn't find anything.
Just to note that, in the UK at least, that Irizar body is available in 'integral' (monocoque) form with DAF engines.
I'm from Luxembourg. I used to live in a very small town but I worked in Luxembourg-city (the capital). For a few days, I couldn't use my car, so I took the bus to work and I was surprised that they used one of these huge busses (always thought those were only for long distance trips). The first day, I was looking out the window all the time with my eyes wide open and thinking _"Oh my God, oh my God, is he going to make it?!"_ The streets in these small rural towns are so small but the bus driver looked like he could do it in his sleep!
P.S.
Don't let the average income per person in Luxembourg fool you! We only have like 600 000 inhabitants. The minimum wage is around 2000€/month and *a lot* if not *most* people get paid the minimum wage or slightly above. We have a lot of banks, so it only takes a dozen of bank CEOs to earn a fortune to completely change the average income and make it look like _everyone_ here earns a lot.
In Romania we call those autocar, not a bus. Because it's used for long distance trips, usually hired by travel agencies. Not something that just has regular, multiple times a day routes.
Worked as a buss mechanic for the county and city busses for a couple of years in the south of Sweden and worked on a few different brands and modells, both CNG and diesel.
Scania: were my favourite to work on. Good layout, easy to work on engines, the whole undercarriage was easy to change parts on when they were worn out and good software for fault searching, a lot of information when trying to fix stuff and you often got the problem through that before even opening the engine compartment. Also simple to drive.
Volvo: were a hit or miss. Good internal layout and the undercarriage was easy to work on. But as with many Volvo's (busses and machines) they were a pain in the arse to work on the engine due to engineers not thinking logically. And the versions that had the engines on the side could go and F-off. Decent drive as well. Fault software was okay, didn't really work with it until I changed to work with construction machines. Good info and help when fixing stuff.
Solaris: (polish brand) were a decent brand and had taken many good things from other brands when they built them. My only complaint was the damned Cummins gas engine where if you accidently bent the pipe to the turbo even slightly when removing the valve cover (and it was nearly impossible to not bend it) you would have a headache in the coming weeks with a sudden loss of engine power. Their fault search software was also meh as depending what you wanted to check you had to connect it to different parts of the buss.
Van Hool: Like the Scania but bigger. They built the double deckers on the Scania Chassis and with Scania engines and gearboxes. Heavy bastards that made working under them all the more sketchy.
BYD: Chinese crap. Just a pain in the arse and the chinese engineers were over monthly due to bullshit that happened to them. They were electric so I did not work on the very often since I did not have the certification for High Voltage.
And the absolutely worst of the bunch!
MAN: Shit engines, bad designs, the wiring was spread out like a spiders web over the engine (so they dried up and nearly snapped right off) instead as with the other brands where they went in one main wire harness into the engine computers. The valves were on the side instead of on top (made checking the vales easy though) so every time you washed the engine you had to spend half an hour just blowing the water out from the sparkplugs (CNG engines are like petrol engines) They also looked like cheap budget crap at the drivers seat and always leaked coolant.
Many of these busses were over ten years old as well and had driven a good part over 800000km so they were tired and were on their way out of the fleet. Both city traffic busses and county busses.
I quit the job before the new busses joined the fleet and they were Mercedes and VDL for the most part, but since I have not worked on them I can't say anything about them.
Fyi these are Irizar buses, they just have chassis, axles and engines from a specific manufacturer. This particular one is a Scania, but they also do Volvos, Merc's and even some others. Some original Scania coaches are the Interlinks and the Touring
Like many people already explained, there are 2 facettes of the Bus/Coach Motoring world in Europe.
First hand you got all-in-one manufacturers (which manufactures the chassis, engine and global powertrain, and the body) which is the case of almost every truck manufacturer, except DAF (which doesn't make buses, it only does engines and chassis for buses).
Second hand you got bodybuilders which will use chassis and powertrains proposed by competent manufacturers (Mains are Scania, DAF, MAN and Volvo, Iveco in a less way, only for city buses in Europe inside their own group) and build a body over this chassis. There's definitely a lot of bodybuilders in Europe, especially in Iberian peninsula (With Irizar, Caetano, Beulas, and more) and also very known ones that are also present in the US (VanHool and Irizar have invaded the market for example)
Now, there's a fair few different things between European buses and American Buses. First, all city buses are low floor (or mainly), which allows for more accessibility, thus, more bus usage, thus, less car usage in city centres. Second, the school bus market is really, really different from the American one, because, School buses in Europe are mainly built on existent intercity bus models or chassis, the only main modification is that the comfort equipment (such as A/C, roofracks, and such) has been removed.
And third, mostly on premium coaches (like the ones that we seen in these videos, Irizar is pretty high end on these tourism executive models, like the i6), design matters. And also innovative ideas. But nowadays, design won on ideas. It is important for premium brands to have the sleekest and most consensual design to build their identity on. For example, a Neoplan Skyliner will have its own design, a bit quirky but very charming and different, which will not be the same as a Setra S531DT more conventional, which will also not be the same as a VanHool TDX25 Astromega which is more flat but really clean. At the end of the day the 3 coaches I've displayed above are double decker high end premium coaches, but they have their own identity, whereas in the US, almost every coach looks like each other, there's not that much work on design on US coaches rather than the rest of the world coaches.
To end this book, you should definitely take a look at Neoplan. Even if MAN seemed to have calmed down this brand, in the 80s and 90s... What a brand. You should check out their proposal of... A double decker articulated coach.
It's just pure genius.
American coaches look pretty different, american buses for all their problems are a lot more instantly iconic and identifiable, Also american coaches all look similar because they all come from MCI the same company. American buses look a bit better on the exterior, the RTS series is beautiful but all the european buses you mentioned just blend into eachother into some gray 2020s design block, european buses may be better but they are also pretty boring
CRW 77H you can find a lot of information about the bus at the Swedish Transport Agency.
Length 14070 mm
Number of belted passengers, max 53
Operating weight 19946 kg
Engine power 302 kW
Automatic transmission
Tank volume for gas 730 liters
axis:3 steerable
Years ago in Northern Ireland the bare bus chasis which had the engine fitted came across via ferry from mainland UK to the Wright factory in Ballymena to be made into a complete bus / coach unit. we used to see the drivers getting these open chasis up the motorway from Belfast to Ballymena dressed like a world war one pilot Biggles with googles driving up the motorway in an open frame chasis but this has now stopped and they are transported from the ferry to the factory via truck / low loader transport.
We just got the Irizar i6 in the U.S., but it's one length only (45 ft./13.7 m), I'm sure it's a chassisless monocoque-framed integral form of construction (like the i8 model), and the U.S. version has a Cummins engine and Allison automatic gearbox. Not much, but it's a start. I saw a few in the wild here in Southern California and, it looks pretty impressive compared to anything from MCI, Prevost and Van Hool, IMO!
As someone from Indonesia, hearing you say "I didn't know that you can make bus look modern." It's so shocking for me, because in Indonesia, Singapore, Japan, Thailand, South Korea, China, Taipei, those kind of buses are everywhere, most of the bus in Indonesia at least looking like in this video, China, Taipei and Japan even have way more futuristic looking buses that in this video.
5:06 is radar for emergency brakes and it is a radar that is warning if the driver is driving over to oncoming lane
Do you know that Greyhound Bus were started by Swedes. In 1914, Eric Wickman, a 27-year-old Swedish immigrant, was laid off from his job as a drill operator at a mine in Alice, Minnesota. He became a Hupmobile salesman in Hibbing, Minnesota, and, when he could not sell the first seven-passenger Hupmobile that he received, he began using it along with fellow Swedish immigrant Andy "Bus Andy" Anderson and C. A. A. "Arvid" Heed to transport iron ore miners two miles from Hibbing to Alice for 15 cents per ride. Wickman made $2.25 on his first run. 🤠🤠🤠
The origin of Scania started as the truck divison of SAAB also making aeroplanes and cars. The cars division was later sold to GM that again sold it to somebody that did not succeed. Scania was sold to Volkswagen that also owns MAN in Germany. There are Scania city buses, bendy buses and coaches. Some buses are Scania only and some ars assembled by coach builders like Irizar of Spain and Higer of China,
The passenger seats in that first one are luxury compared to many coaches we have in the UK where you wouldn't want to spend more than half an hour, let alone two hours or more of arse-numbing seats with hardly any support or cushioning. The driver has a special seat with its own suspension which is a given as they're spending far more time sat down compared to anyone else using coaches.
Have a look for episodes of BBC's 'Inside the Factory' as there's a couple of episodes that show double decker buses and London taxis being built. In many cases, adhesive bonding has replaced spot welding in the construction of the bodywork.
Took my D category driving test in Irizar.
It's a gem!
But alltho, i'm Volvo fan, i love Setra buses, as driver.
Scania is closing bus production in Q1. They will sell chassies to body builders.
Halleluja! Never was very fond of their buses (Omnilinks here).
In my city in Sweden we have Volvo Electric Buses for routes within the city limits, and we have biogas-buses for longer travels. And the gas comes from household waste and is thus produced locally from the food based waste people throw away.
Awesome 😀👍🏻
I don't know of its the same, but in saw a documentary for a sewage tretment plant in swizetland where they made both biogas as well as solid fire fuel from sewage and then also recycles phosfor and nitrogen from the sewage.
@@matsv201 Might be, not so well versed with it but there are treatment plants where the waste goes and gets recycled and many things are taken out of it. This is why recycling and placing trash in the correct bins is so important in Sweden. Everything is taken care of, and the things that can not be recycled such as food waste are turned into fuel. Almost every medium sized city and above will have their own plant like this. They also burn excess waste for heating. Many homes are not heated individually but has a pipe coming in with hot water from this treatment plant, that hot water is their hot water in the house, so no need for a water heater, and it also flows through the radiators providing heating for the homes. It's ingenious really. It is a lot more efficient heating tens of thousands of homes from one source rather than every home having their own electric heating of water and temperature indoors.
This also means you can't run out of hot water while showering ;) Nice added benefit.
+ The large scale of this means it is a lot cheaper for every individual home as opposed to heating your water and home with electricity.
@@matsv201 its pretty much the same, many farmers in europe have own biogas plants where they use animal waste and other biomass to produce power
@@tobias_dahlberg Yes i seen that to. The issue with biogas busses is that they have lower efficiency than diesel busses, quite a lot so.
I would say a better use of biogas is either as peak electricity production of using it to synthesize other fuel
One thing is the body maker, the other the powerplant maker. Both you saw there are Irizars on Scania Powerplant. You can see all sort combinations of both here in Europe. Irizar is a Basque company.
10:20 luxembourg has really good roads overall, so tire noise is really low. but buses and trucks have a tendancy to get stuck in some roads in the capital. Downhill/Uphill with really tight corners, small roads, and sometimes small bridges/doors in the medieval walls.
7:30 turning these beasts is tough, but with the help of rear wheel steer, it definitely makes it a lot easier. You’ll see many of these rear-axle steer coaches in major cities all over the UK, the National Express group run a lot of them
Those aren't Scania buses, they're Irizar coaches with a Scania running gear/engine. You can also have MAN, Iveco, Daf, Volvo and Mercedes, or Cummins for the US market.
The mirrors on the first bus were 360 cameras. If you watch back, you'll see LCD screens at the left and right hand of the drivers cabin. This is becoming more popular in Europe now where mirrors on trucks and buses have been replaced with cameras and LCD screens on the inside.
Irizar is good for warm and moderate climate but here in the northern Europe (like Finland that I’m from) where the climate is freezing down to -30 degrees centigrade you need more insulation from the cold and especially from the moisture.
Scania has a great range of buses and coaches, mainly done as a chassis solely with external bodyworks, few ones are Integral models. Those on the video are bodybuilded by Irizar in Spain, the same company which builded the Lamborghini LM002.
Scania's bus range start with front-engined models, to rear-engined models, from 250 to 460 bhp. 5 or 6 cylinder engines, 7 to 12 liters, diesel, CNG, LPG or electric powered.
As long as Scania doesn't build the body as well, you're probably grand. Here in Waterland, The Netherlands, we got Scania Omnilinks when Arriva took over transport in 2006. Besides the Omnilinks we had Citaro's (annoying deep hum from the engine basically no matter where you sat down) and VDL Ambassadors with the worst door-option possible (sliding doors that would malfunction rather often). But from all the buses we had, the Scania's failed the most, especially the front-door mechanism would regularly fail to open the door completely and the worst is just the overall construction quality: everything inside is squeaky, crackling and what not, even after years of service with distances well into the hundreds of thousands of kilometers and almost all interior parts just have a bad fit: basically everywhere they meet, there's an ugly gap. The side-contourlights seem to be a forgotten thing in the interior: instead of using flat LED-units, they are still incandescents, and thus stick out into the interior. The powertrain sucks and the buses have tendency to cause an annoying lurge forward when shifting from the first gear to second and from second to third, same with braking, which just does not seem to be possible in a smooth manner.
When Arriva was replaced by EBS in 2012, I was sad to see they had chosen Scania Omnilinks AGAIN...
Fortunately, they are now slowly being replaced by EBUSCO's Ebusco 3.0 buses, a rather new Dutch brand of buses. No idea of they built their own chassis' or not.
@@weeardguy If in Europe Scania buses are pretty seen in many routes, you can't imagine the presence in South American roads, they are kings of the road, mainly seen under Marcopolo, Comil, Busscar or Modasa DDs or Irizar coaches. In the last 10 years Scania starting to get more presence in urban South American cities, being Brazil, Mexico and recently Colombia and Chile their main users (because BRT systems). In these two countries Scania started to offer massively Euro 6 buses sooner than Volvo, Mercedes or Volkswagen.
I think it's the chassis that's Scania. The body and coachwork is Irizar
Edit: Would love more bus or train videos btw
Engines and Electric system and Chassis are from Scania owned by VW Group
Those Irizar coaches are pretty much the norm here in Sweden now; I work with cruise ships, and maybe 60% of the coaches are similar to that first one.
And yes, it’s big - that’s a 14-15 metre coach. Decent turning circle, though I’ve seen one reverse onto the mirrors of the one behind it before now. Many of them have cameras with internal screens instead of actual mirrors now.
Oh, and even though they’re big - I’m almost 2 metres tall and fatter than I’d like, so when we go aboard to check boarding passes… we’ll, let’s just say I send one of my smaller colleagues on for that. The coach isn’t big enough for me and my duty belt.
Living in Australia for most of my life before moving to the UK I drove for Greyhound Australia ( no relation to Greyhound USA) Up until the mid 90's Greyhound Australia used imported Eagle and MCI coaches with 2 stroke Detroit Diesel engines as well as Australian built coaches with US running gear. Irizar coaches are now the mainstay of Greyhound Australia using chassis from Scania, Volvo and Mercedes. I have driven most model coaches here in the UK, and my favourite is the Van Hool powered by DAF. I used to drive them regularly from London to Dublin, and also London to Paris.
You where right (kinda) about Luxembourg. The sound has also something to do withe prestenn roads we have here (the downside is that one tiny "pothole means working on the road until relly fixed good). We have Scanias. But nowadays it is mainly Mercedes-Benz and Volvo. We have hybrid buses, full eletric and hydrogen driven buses (but still the usual fuel... less and less tho).
The main thing is that all (really all... trains etc) the public transports are free. And I mean, you don't need a card or anything, you just step on the bus, train, wathever without having to show anything and you dont' have to worry at all. Maybe this and the fact the the seats and all that are nice helps the fact that nobody whants to "degrade" them.
Another great video from you IWrocker, a bus you gotta check out is the Marcopolo Paradiso from Brazil. They are based on scania, Volvo and Mercedes benz chassis,but they are huge and super unique compared to the coaches you see in North America and even Europe. Definitely something you should feature on the channel!
Irizar buses are mint,pretty modern design and looks. Here in Spain are national product,easy to find everywhere.
modern design means nothing if its just gonna be "dated" in 10 years
Irizar is a coach builder from Spain. If you want to know how to pronounce it, ask Pedro.
Where I lived in Spain - I moved 11 years ago, the Irizar bus at the beginning was used as a public service bus - obviously older and one step down on luxury (no toilet). They were comfortable and great when out of the city but weren't considered in anyway phenomenal.
The mirrors on trucks and buses are being replaced by cameras and screens but they are not universally popular.
Hi Ian, with the 3 axle coaches the front axle of the rear 2 axles is a steering axle, which really helps with those tight turns.
Just spend 3 weeks in June travelling around UK and Ireland, and 2 weeks in July travelling around Europe in these Scanias and they are very comfortable to ride in as a passenger
Cheers, Garry from DownUnder
Actually front and rear axle steers. the middle is drive axle!;)
Hi there. Happy that you found your way into buses too 😊. As a former truck driver AND bus driver this is interesting to watch. Drive trucks for a couple of years but buses for over 20!
What you need to know about buses in Europe is that there are both full builds and also a lot of companies just making bodies but not engines and chassis. So the first bus in the video is a SCANIA/Irizar coach. SCANIA made the drivetrain chassis gearbox and engine for this coach but Spanish Irizar made the body and interior on top. This is common in Europe. But there are also fully built SCANIA, VOLVO, MAN, Mercedes, IVECO buses and so on. Also a lot of coach builders like VanHool, Irizar, and others that only make bodies and let you choose chassis and engines. So the market is a bit different.
Beautiful like all Scania. !! Here on the South American routes the Scania Marcopolo G8, 4-axle double deck are the kings.💪
These buses are used mainly as Inter City and Regional buses. In the city traffic the buses are built differently. With the steering back axel a tight turn like that is done pretty comfortably.
Irizar is the builder, Scania is the maker of the chassis. Scania also makes finished busses, but also sells running chassis for other builders.
We have Volvo, Scania, Mercedes and other brands of BUS in Portugal also. ^^ Buses in Europe usually are diesel, electric and liquid gas. These buses have their you've seen have the engines on the back
2:22 That's a tank for liquified natural gas (LNG)
Great video as always. Keep up the great work Ian!
Wow it looks crazy having the door on that side and left hand drive. God I done bus trips with one job and they need a toilet and a way to sleep, the Australian ones I was on didn't have either 😬🤦
As a Norwegian bus driver, I would just say that I love your channel, and just subscribed... As I have family in Spokane, WA, I have been to the US many times. In the USA you will find many wonderful cars and planes, but the US are, at least until now, far behind large parts of Europe, when it comes to buses! Stay safe!
I worked on the Scania chassi assembly line primarily engine assembly and rear axle. Can relate with Domingodesantaclara, racing around on the chassi frame is awesome. Sadly when they moved it all to the main assembly factory. It ment no more late night hotdog runs to the gas station on the chassis...
I've tried a 12h ride on an American greyhound... looks classic cool from the outside... but damn passengers sit close considering how long the rides are... and basically no luxury for the driver, that's expected to stay alert the whole time, and be ready if a couple of passengers gets into a fight over the little space they have.
2 hour routes in Denmark offers more space per passenger and usually at least one USB power outlet, a tray table and WiFi.
Look at a video on the gliders in nothern ireland, theyre purple 0 emissions double decker and stretch busses, they replaced our old red busses a number of years ago, theyre super quiet and comfortable and are covered in purple neon lights, theyre kinda sci fi looking in a way.
As others have said, Scania provide a rolling chassis, including all driveline components, and the rest is done by coach builders.
Coach builders such as Irizar will provide the same body designs for a mix of different chassis.
In Australia, for instance, just about all buses on the road, either use Scania, Volvo, MAN, or Mercedes-Benz chassis, but from the outside, they all look the same.
In other words, 2 identical buses can be next to each other 1 a Scania & 1 a Volvo & the badge is the only way to spot the difference from the outside.
The first bus at the show it was fitted with cameras and did not have side mirrors in one view you can see the TV screen on the window pillour with its top wide angle and bottom long view
the first one had the new camera mirrors where you have a live camera feed and you can get the irizar in the us
Irizar is a coachbuilder from Catalonia, Spain. You can specify them with Volvo, Daf, Man etc. running gear, but Scania is their default. With buses in Europe a coachbuilder will order driving chassis from companies like Scania and build a body on top of it. Personally I'd call this an Irizar, the drive train being irrelevance.
Catalonia has quite a few coachbuilders, like Beulas, Ayats, ...but Irizar isn't one of them. Irizar is from Ormaiztegi, in the Basque Country.
I was a bus driver in Adelaide for 17 years, just recently retired and we had Scania buses in our fleet. But they were all low floor buses and we could raise them and lower them, wheelchairs were able to get on board.
Scania and Volvo buses are pretty common in New Zealand.
We had Mercedes busses ages back, some were articulated "bendy" busses
We get a lot of these bus models in Australia too. The Irizars are becoming quite popular as a lot of our local manufacturers are pretty overwhelmed or have retired from the industry.
Hello. I have driven a city bus here in Tronheim Norway for more than 23 years. The longest buses we have are Van Hool diesel-electric buses that are 24 meters long. To be agile in city traffic, they are bi-articulated or double-articulated so that the bus consists of three sections.
i am a busdriver for the local transit agency "BVG" in Berlin, Germany and I only drive Mercedes Citaro Busses as 12m (solo) and 18m (articulated) varients. They are quiet comfortable for City Busses and nice to drive with some nice ameneties for us drivers. Our Company also has a few other Brands as in Solaris (Polish), Scania, Ebusco and VDL (Dutch), Alexander Dennis (scottish) and a few older MAN double deckers left
Our Busses are either pure Diesel or Full Electric but the goal is to electrify the whole fleet until 2030
German bus brands: MAN, Mercedes-Benz (of course), Setra, Neoplan, Drögmöller. The most liked bus brand, as far as I know, is Setra.
With the* preesteen* (and forgot about the really nice tram and "funicular" or "telepheric"). You don't have to be a resident to get it all free, the tourists etc have the free ride to
This is a coach...usually its used for transportation over long-distance distances. Its probably running on LNG or LPG. Some scania engines on lng use OTTO cycle so they have sparkplugs like a gasoline engine.
The demo bus missing mirrors could have camera's.
Our city busses are usually low floored for easy entrance and less luxurious.
The first Scania on the the beginning of the video, you missed the camera mirrors, there's tablet screens on either side inside the cabin, so instead of normal mirrors you have cameras, other cameras surround the bus.
Probably an CBG/Diesel hybrid bus. Very popular in our area with CNG/CBG garbage trucks and busses.
hey. Nice video like always 🤜🤛
I've been a fan of buses since I was a kid.
Today I am a bus driver in Portugal. 🇵🇹
Those tight streets that you saw in the video in England are very common roads throughout Europe. And they are places we have to pass by bus every day.
As a swedish bus driver. I really love our Scanias. The ones i use to drive i Scania citywide and interlink. Mercedes intouro and MAN Lion city E articulated are some really good buses aswell.
I’m a bus driver in Norway I have been bus driver for 20 years. The first Scania bus you saw in the beginning of the video. Have no traditional mirror it’s a camera mirror . It’s a thing that came to Europe in 2021 .
In Europe, the majority of buses for medium/long haul/international are very comfortable. Some companies even offer 3 seats per row.
Specialized builders make cabins with chassis from VOLVO, SCANIA, Mercedes Benz, and MAN among others.
It is common to have this kind of "luxury"
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12:55 - _"bizarre"_ ??? as the picture is labeled, this is an _"electric, autonomous and modular vehicle"_
some companies for local public transport are experimenting with similar buses over here in germany
National Express’ Caetano Levante 3 might interest you- Scania powered, massive tri-axle coach! I used to drive them when they came into service in 2018- simply awesome vehicles
City buses are quite a bit less interesting. Not many cities buy Scania buses to save money. They mostly buy the IVECO/SOR/Irisbus/Renault group(All from the same factory, just different badges). Most of them are from around 2013-2015 and often don't even have an AC. They might look good enough from the outside but often are really shaky, rattly and overheat in summer.
There are also some really cool city bus types. Like "joint" articulated buses which are basically a front bus with the rear cut off connected through an accordion-like joint to another bus with the front cut off.
Some cities are now switching back to diesel or upgrading to electric buses as CNG prices suddenly quadrupled because of Russia cutting off their supply.
My wife and I went for a drive one day (she was driving) and finished up in Luxembourg which was pretty nice. We live in the Netherlands, she is Dutch but I am an Aussie so your videos pretty much cover all of my bases 🙂 Love all the videos mate and keep em coming.
The first Bus looked at, you did not see mirrors on the outside of the bus, because it use camera, and inside the bus, is 2 screens like mirrors
As a Swede, I'm so used to seeing Scania and Volvo buses and coaches that watching your reaction is priceless. A lot of busses here are bio-LNG/biomethane, and that tank looks like it's gas. My dream project car is biomethane converting a BMW 3 series, as it's the most environmentally friendly option. It has the potential to beat EVs, together with bio-diesel, another common view here.
You need to react to the Volvo buses with hydraulic systems which make it easier for elderly and disabled passenger to get on, the driver just temporarily slams the bus.
Try finding a video of a coach builder from Indonesia called "Adi Putro". They used various chassis from Mercedes, Scania, Hino etc, but the coach products are pretty extra ordinary
I have seen one with a truck grill on the rear instead of the big vented door was done well
The tank you mention at the beginning is for gas to run the engine ..it will either be LNG or CNG
The new bus has no mirrors. They have cameras. You can see the mirror screen on the a pillar
Doubel decker have total 1200 liters fuel tank ( 317 gallons 2 x600l / 158gal. ).
The first bus, had cameras instead of mirrors... there are 1 screen in each side that replace the mirror
The first bus didnt have fysical outside mirrors, but camera's instead.
A lot of new buses and Artics have cameras instead of mirrors over here in Europe now.
The new one in the first video didnt have the big mirrors because that one had cameras instead of mirrors, I guess you didnt notice those screens up by the drivers seat
Look at the Neoplan Cityliner. I think it's one of the coolest busses out there 😄
In some cases the mirrors have been replaced by cameras, or rather the new vehicles are delivered with both mirrors and cameras.
the amount of times iv been in those toilets going down twisty roads trying to have a pee. legs as far apart as possible... legs notice a corner so you stop peeing.... you get there in the end lol
That first bus had no mirrors on the outside, because that used cameras and an lcd display inside
Buses in US seem to have divited front window what is mostly with small curve. In here we have more like one part windows and more curve than in US
Check out Setra and Neoplan buses. Especially the Neoplan Jumbocruiser from the 90's. Double-decker AND articulated. Only 11 made. I have seen 2 of them.
In Sweden there are tests being made with doubly articulated buses. Especially in Gothenburg and Malmö.
The Neoplan Jumbocruiser was built in the 70's. Not many of them as there were only 11 UNITS in all, but what's sweet about that sucker is its engine...
A MERCEDES-BENZ V12 DIESEL (no turbos) 😁😁😁
The first ones were built 1975, but the last one 1992. I have personally seen 2 of them. An older version in Malmö (Sweden) with a conference room with kitchen at the lower rear. A modern one at Dachau outside Munich (Germany).
@da206hbe Hmmmmm...I could have sworn there were none built in the 90's but if this is so that is insane! NICE
Check through all pictures on the net and you will find at least one with double axles on the rear part. The style is way more modern than the earlier ones. Check out english Wikipedia for when it was manufactured. I think you can find even more reputable sources out there.
@da206hbe Wait. Now that you mentioned that, I did see something like that and the engine was in the rear, not in the middle (and attached to the front section) below the bellows/articulating joint)!
The yellow ADAC scania is SOE Busproduction with OmniExpress 360 body
Previously, the company was known as Lahden Autokori OY, with Scania cooperation, its name changed to Soe Busproduction.
It was as you figured out a tourist bus, I belive that Scania dont build buses, only deliver chassis to bus builders?
However, I live in Gothenburg.. Volvo country, they have a bus section in Borås, I think they only build public transportation buses, but altso deliver chassis for "bus builders"!