The first truck a MAN with Owl-Head Cabine uses the Cab from the Claas Xerion VC Tractor! The Claas Xerion tractor series is a closer look worth! It's a agriculture swiss army knife
In Germany we say "Übung macht den Meister" which translates to "practice makes the master". All these crane operators have many years of practice and know exactly what they do. I highly respect people who mastered a task be it "simple" truck driving or more complex stuff like 3D modelling in cad software
First truck that comes up is from Germany. The license plate would locate it in Unterfranken, which is on paper a part of Bavaria. The area is indeed quite nice, it is called Spessart.
A cool thing about the first truck is that if all goes well the driver can pick up logs and deliver them to the sawmill without ever leaving the seat. The Cabin is actually manufactured by Class, and is also used in many of their vehicles including combines and their Xerion tractor (which can also rotate its cabin to provide a better view to the rear attachments). It doesn't have a traditional steering column, but uses a motor to provide feedback to the driver, similar to the force feedback system on a sim rig.
US logging is done on much bigger scale. And those truck drive outside of public roads a lot.In Europe there is not that much space, so you drive in normal traffic.
In the northern parts of europe there is logging at a huge scale. And there is a lot of space too. Europe just likes high tech, high cost but high efficiency and the us like more low tech, low cost and low efficiency. There is something to say for both.
@@autobootpilootyou miss the point. In most EU country you have A LOT of taxes on the workforce. So companies try to have one worker doing it all. So this conduce to had a lot of mechanised/automated system.
@@autobootpiloot Germany has lots of logging, BUT we also have lots of "small hills with winding forest roads" where the wood needs to be collected. In the USA / the relatively FLAT northern Sweden it is easy to make pretty straight roads / long curves.
Check out Romanian trucks like Roman and DAC ... Roman is literaly the ROmanian MAN (ROMAN)... they had a partnership .... We used to build some AWESOME trucks right here in my hometown !! Big up to you regardless , I love your channel !
This is 105t long range timber truck in finland :) ruclips.net/video/NrASEeaOmDI/видео.html Emergency brakes with different trucks (finland, there is is one truck with traditional brakes, can you point it out?) ruclips.net/video/lGeA6eu8gT4/видео.html very challenging reverse (200m at night) (full size timber truck) ruclips.net/video/4ZDrl2Pua-I/видео.html Reversing to forest for loading in very winter weather, note: chains are not used, but all timber trucks have many axels and there is lot of variation how to get maximum weight to drive axels. And winter tyres used in Finland are very good. ruclips.net/video/DAlX26tmj_I/видео.html and Big truck in a ditch in deep snow ruclips.net/video/FvD-OCpK8yw/видео.html Good exampe of working in Finland at winter time, but it is actually very rare that trucks are 'off road'
Regarding these niche trucks, have a look at Edison Motors (Canadian company). I'll leave the research up to you, 'cus you can probably explain it better than me, English not being my native language.
Some truck drivers take pride in their trucks, so they take care of them, like clean the inside and outside. And some drivers take off their shoes when they enter the cab.
In Czech republic they still use horses to to drag the logs in nature reserves and national parks and places where trucks can't get (really high in the mountains or places where the weight of a truck could be a problem). Also one way of transporting logs in the past was to guide them down a river. A person would actually stand on a log with long pole to guide the others as they went with the stream until they reached a saw mill, if I remember correctly.
There was a video on how these logs dragged from the forest were cut into big logs for half-timbered houses here in Germany by hand ... but sadly it got deleted. A quite interesting process involving a decline and a really big hand-powered saw where one man was standing on top of the log and just pulled up the saw, while the other one was pulling it down. Sadly this kind of knowledge gets lost more and more every day ... and fewer and fewer people "touch grass".
I've worked on sites with ponies dragging timber out before now (in the welsh mountains), can get them places you'd never dream of driving any kind of freight vehicle
Oh yeah, the (agriculture) combine cabin. :D It's so they don't need to sit outside beside the hand control in heat, rain or snow which can take a hour (or 90 minutes if the guy "plays" with the logs) in one sitting. And have higher point of view. Don't need to put on boots until the very end where they need to go outside to secure the logs. Still, around here there are classic older trucks for now (without the rotating cabine, camera system or other new ideas).
5:40 That's an Australian Kennedy folding trailer. In fact, the video is from Healesville, Victoria. Won't see that one in Europe. 7:25 The license plate is HSK, which is Hochsauerlandkreis, North Rhine-Westphalia.
Seem odd if the taxation can be adjusted on the fly to how many wheels are currently used though. ? Most of the wear is going to be when it's fully loaded after all. But at least the maximum vehicle length was increased by a few metres recently. Maybe one day we will even see those horizon covering sheep trains. ;)
all this folding stuff trailer and even every truck here in europe can lift his tyres from ground, all only for one reason saving tyres, saving brakes as they are expensive to replace. so here truckers ussualy work for company and drive company trucks which are changed frequantly. few years and thewy change as fuel cost , similar to planes. nopbody drives here old trucks like in usa. they would simply wont have job as other would give lower prices. trucks they dont stand here they non stop drive 24/7.
some of them have VR in the cab, so the driver just switches seat ,puts on the VR googles and starts loading the logs on the truck while operating the grapples from the cab, the cabin witch is in the back on regular logging trucks is swapped with a boom that has cameras on top witch are connected to the VR
A steering column is still a legal requirement in most of not all EU countries. So is a mechanical break backup. Well its mandatory in fast vehicle. Tracktors, loaders terain dumptruck don´t need them. And since December of 2023 (at least in Sweden and some other countries). Electronic stearing control is alowed on trucks traveling slower than 40km/h if then have a automatic lockin when the go faster.
Folding trailers are to save road taxes, as those are based on running wheels on the road surface. By folding trailers, and or lifting wheels off the ground means less wheels on the road the cost per driven km is reduced. While not needing heavy load carrying.
not true, if i lift an axle of my rig i still have to pay for it, a 7 axle truck is and stay an 7axle truck for the road taxes why do they fold, simpel, easy to drive when empty, easy acces and turnings in the woods when empty, and..... it saves tyre's........
@@Joel.V. I think he's talking about running costs. More wheels on the road is more rolling resistance to have to drive. Or maybe in his country tolls or weighbridges are calculated by axles per trip somehow. Not sure how road tax would change trip to trip but never know these days.
One more reason is that you can get faster around the tighter european roads with a shorter truck/without a trailer, thus saving time on the way to get the next load.
@10m30s You're entirely right. First time learning to drive a reachtruck, scary. First weeks you're very cautious. A year later you'll go around corners on two wheels and it's just a random Tuesday. I've experienced this in various different jobs. And as you say, they're not easy jobs, but once you get the skill and you're actually good at it it does become easy, for a skilled professional. A newbie might have someone lose their life. The risks can be pretty big. If you're not at least somewhat good at this in a few months, this isn't the job for you as you're going to put someone's life at risk.
Your bucket list of European vehicle manufacturers to visit just gets longer, and longer, and ..... Perhaps they'll let you drive them too .....? Regards
When you're using the crane you idle a bit higher. You control the idle by the cruise control switches. Usually also remote control from the crane. The truck engine is operating basically as a hydraulic pump at the point.
Did you watch Bruce Wilson? He is located in Florida and owns three Scanias. He makes videos about restoring them and making them US street legal. He also visited Scania in Sweden and test drove several trucks. Very cool guy. Maybe you could react to him.
they are allready us legal, he is just a kid that play's with toy's, at the end of the day, all 3 scania's will end up like scrap. but yes he is now in Jamestown Tennesee.
What needs doing to a scania to make it road legal? I was under the impression US regulation was less strict on such things than most countries you're likely to see the fancier scania units in?
@@carpetsomething There are several reasons why a European truck wouldn't be allowed on the road in the USA: Different regulations: Size: European trucks are typically shorter and narrower than US trucks. This is due to stricter size regulations in the EU that limit things like trailer length, overall height, and weight per axle. In the US, there are no nationwide length limits for trucks, and states have their own, often more relaxed, rules. Engines: European trucks have to meet stricter emission standards compared to US trucks. This means they usually have engines that wouldn't be legal for use in the US. Brakes: European trucks often use drum brakes, whereas disc brakes are more common on US trucks. Disc brakes offer better stopping power and are less prone to overheating. Lights: Lighting systems differ between European and US trucks. For example, European trucks need amber turn signals, while the US uses red. Safety regulations: Airbags: US trucks must have airbags for the driver and passenger. This isn't mandatory in Europe. Underride guards: US trucks require underride guards to prevent cars from going under the truck in a crash. Europe doesn't have this requirement. Approval process: Certification: To be road-legal in the US, a truck needs certification by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). This process can be expensive and time-consuming. Documentation: European manufacturers would need to submit extensive documentation to the NHTSA for approval, usually in English. Economic factors: Cost: Modifying a European truck to meet US standards could be very expensive. Demand: There's limited demand for European trucks in the US. This partly stems from the technical and safety differences mentioned earlier, along with preferences of American trucking companies and drivers. While it's possible to modify a European truck for US use, it's generally not practical or economical.
@@klotz__ Not to be rude, but your answer really sounds like something ChatGPT would write. Regarding underride guards: In Europe, side and rear underrun protection are mandated on all lorries and trailers with a gross weight of 3,500 kilograms (7,700 lb) or more. Regarding emission regulations: Why would an engine adhering to a stricter set of emission rules be illegal under a less strict set of rules? Regarding brake types: This answer is mostly backwards, because disc brakes have been the de facto standard in EU trucks for a long time, while the US has predominantly used drum brakes.
You wonder how it was done in the old days - In Sweden, the loggers lived out in the forest and the timber was transported with workhorses where they wore a harness and tied around a couple of logs and walked out of the forest to a forest road where the timber was loaded by hand over on a horse-drawn carriage. In winter, sleds were used. My father, his brothers and grandfather worked on this. Before they started using farm tractors to pull these timer trailers, but these old tractors that were also used in agriculture did not go fast. Top speed was 15.5 mph The make of the tractor is Volvo and it is still there and two of my cousins have restored it to like new condition.
There were quite a few steps of development from pure man and horse to machines doing all the heavy work under the control of human operators. When trucks and tractors just started to appear, the horse teams still might have collected the timber from the woods, and the loading was done with pretty hazardous hoist contraptions using cables and power from the truck/tractor. Many a man broke bones back then, but occupational safety authority is a relative modern invention. This was for larger operations. Of course individual families might have done it in many different ways.
Europe and Australia are years ahead of the US in truck technology think of steering axles on the trailer as well as heavy transport trailers and truck technology and the safety of heavy vehicles it must be said that the US is ahead of hydrogen gas technology in transport
Two ✌🏻 things you need to watch is europien tractors specially if you want to see the owl 🦉 cabin again (Claas xerion 5000 is the tractor i believe ) and you need to check out scania t series trucks . I'm hoping to see Lithuanian 🇱🇹 emergency vehicle video some day ... I recommend EmergencyScandinavian channel . 🤙🏻
You need to check out a guy called Fred Dinbah, he renovated a steam traction engine which is basically a steam train for the roads, they were the first freight trucks basically, they're amazing too, Fred did a series traveling across the UK in his traction engine which was very bittersweet as he did the whole trip knowing he had terminal cancer, incredible guy, he was famous on UK TV for being a steeplejack and for his love of heavy industry, but I think you'd get a real thrill watching him drive his traction engine.
If you like that then you should check out some of the forestry machines aswell. They cut trees, debranch and haul the timber, all in the same machine. Really impressive stuff.
The rotating cab on the MAN is probably from Claas tractors - They started using them on Claas Xerion 3300 Trac 20 years ago. ruclips.net/video/CHj238Sc2Yk/видео.html
3:18 i would guess steering is electric as it is in many new cars and trucks, so you can reverse the steering signal easy so it turns "normal" then cabin is turned backwards :)
12:03 'Robban' is the Swedish version of Bob basically. If someone is named Robert, they are often called 'Robban'. He just likes Audi cars I guess. However, we almost always concatenate words into compound words in Sweden, because sometimes, if you separate words that should not be separate, you can get some horrible dangling modifiers. Like the compound word 'Giftorm' (venomous snake), if separated into its basic parts 'gift' and 'orm', i.e. "gift orm" would translate to "married snake" since 'gift' means both 'married' and 'venom' in Swedish. Another fun one is the phrase "Sätt på en skygglapp" (put on a blinker i.e. for horses). If you separate the last noun there, so it reads "Sätt på en skygg lapp", it becomes "f*ck a shy Laplander"
3:45 There probobly is a geared telescopic shaft in the rear of the truck. Its possible its a hydraulic connection. Law in Europe mandate that all vehicle going faster than 40km/h must have a physical/mechanical backup for steering and breaking. Also parking break Apart from that with throttle, and gear shifter and most other, they are just electrically connected. So ignoring the steering, breaking and parking break, its basically just a normal cab.
The wood industry is massive here(Ireland) Volvo and Scania are most popular, John Deere and ponsse for Harvesters and forwarders That Man usually has a jenz wood chipper mounted on the rear which is why the cabin turns around.
Wow, that blew my mind, those trucks are top level machines, they are certainly different to the basic Aussie style. man I would love to have a go in the rotator.
the MAN has a CLAAS XERION tractor cab on it, all the contols are fly by wire (all digital so no brake hoses or steering column to work out) they even (as a tractor) auto swap the controls based on which way you are facing
As you like Scanias so much, you definitely should check out the channel from Bruce Wilson! He is located in the US and has two of the few Eurotrucks over there, namely Scanias.
The first truck is all ‘fly by wire’ so everything is electrical, once the driver cab is engaged he can just drive like a normal truck. It’s very cool, very high tech
the first truck (the MAN unit with a DOLL special concept) was a highly specialised construction for a big company (Reith) that have their own logging and processing plants in Germany and are a company specialised in lumber production for a normal company this would be not even usable as it costs more to build that machine than it would earn in the matter of use... however as this was a special project to see if their needs could be fitted it works out for the company that runs it the unit is a so called "high speed forwarder" that can not only be used on forestry roads but even on public roads... and the travel speed is the one of a road truck on public roads a regular forwarder has to be transported by a second truck and can only operate offroad and on forestry roads, this unit however can be used on several areas and be driven fully loaded (within the street legal weight limit) as well so yeah, it is not the typical truck and semitrailer unit but a special built unit with full cab controlled functions built for a special purpose and a solo customer in mind (and they would change some things after their long time testing period as the truck unit is a bit overpowered and could have been built on a 26 ton chassis instead of a 32 ton that they used as they stated in a interview) still it is a amazing concept made after the specifications and wishes of a customer (and just modifying the controls with the rotating cab was a extra 150k € according to the interview)
@IWrocker : FYI... The SCANIA in the video @ 7:00 comes from: License plate NK Stands for Neunkirchen (Nine Churches) Used in Neunkirchen district Federal state of Saarland It borders France and Luxembourg to the southwest and if you LOOK closely you can see that the owner has a "personal license plate" with the initials of his name, shown at @7:05 INFO: When the "EU license plates" were designed, the "hyphen" was left out to save costs because it was not actually used. Old license plates look like this (ABC - DE 1234) the “EU” license plate like this (ABC DE 1234) By the way, do you know the funny mistake the advertising agency made with the Aachen police?! They had a photo of a patrol car with the license plate "AC AB 101" on the front page and were then fooled with pictures of fake emergency vehicles all over the NET
Ian, you describe yourself as a "truck guy" and "car guy" yet you appear to be surprised by anything involving cars and trucks, No hatred meant dude but come on.
just put a small playlist of vids I found from Australia, that have log trucks in them, you might find a something worth putting in a vid, I'll put link in discord
"It'd be fun to try" [crane operating] well there are some places where you can "drive heavy equipment for fun for an hour" ... maybe you have such a place nearby where you can also operate a crane (or digger ... which is more or less the same).
Claas has a tractor doing that (Claas Xerion: ruclips.net/video/a-3zbwuufz0/видео.html&ab_channel=FarmTrader ) I know the steering reverses too for this tractor. Industial level Bluetooth is actually often used for control and sensor signals these days. They even have transmitters and receivers that work through metal walls of about a cm thick, although it's still a bit wonky. We use it in our job to be able to perform data gathering in climate tests without compromising the test specimen. You want to avoid drilling holes in your specimen when you are actually testing it's air tightness for instance. Bluetooth devices become cheaper by the day and might be economically competitive to wiring in quite some cases.
true human civilization started from Europe and will always be like this, all European brands are the same for example Mercedes Benz Actros is a monster of absolute quality trucks 40 years ago you could see the difference but now they are all the same in Europe it doesn't matter what the brand is 'it's a documentary with the largest truck factory I'm talking about Mercedes Benz they made millions and millions of trucks and no two trucks are the same every truck is different in terms of its use,it's funny American people know just Volvo and Scania in Europe😂
The folding trailer and the following scene of the truck at 6:00 is most likely from Australia. First he drives on the left side of the road. Second do the massive logs not look like the usual pulp wood sticks harvested in Northern Europe, the bark on the big logs is smooth, light brown and does fray off, that's typical for Eucalyptus trees. These in the video are some newer stuff, but you still see a lot of somewhat older timber trucks, especially the trailers can be 25 years old, these have a crane with just an open seat and are not as pleasant to operate in the cold and wet. Never seen a truck with a combine cab fitted though. This must be very recent.
Hydraulic steering has come a long way, fairly common to see rotating seats/cabs with valves that switch the oil flow depending on the direction in industrial settings.
I would bet that the MAN (Maschinenwerke Augsburg Nürnberg) as an german company switch the stearing after rotation that turn in this direction where he looks and not anyomre like in formward driving.
200 years ago they dragged the logs with horses in the winter. And then in the summer they pushed the logs into the rivers and let them float downstream to the sawmill.
Even way less than 100 years ago they used horses and floating the logs. Actually, logs are still floated when it makes sense, as its cheaper than trucking.
See how 'Holzrücken' is done the old way, demonstrated in southern Germany, and still preferred method sometimes, because it's less destructive: ruclips.net/video/rC2LnE4YQJA/видео.htmlsi=Fa5oQgMbEdd4xUJh
9:56 i can promise, those cabs can take a log or 2 and still work. Sure the paint will be bad and the mirror might be gone, but, the cabs can resist a rollover so they can resist a log easily
We now have so much dead wood here because of bark beetles and so few wood trucks that they take the wood out of the forest with road trucks in overseas containers and ship it to China. Nobody knows what these trucks weigh with a container full of tree trunks and nobody wants to know if the container is sealed.
With the first MAN truck it is possible that it’s electric steering that means there is not an physical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels
The engineers that designed these trucks/trailer systems grew up watching transformers
They sure did😂
and practicing origami
@@eichzoernchen Every engineer must practice origami
😂😂😂
No, transformers are copying them!
The first truck a MAN with Owl-Head Cabine uses the Cab from the Claas Xerion VC Tractor! The Claas Xerion tractor series is a closer look worth! It's a agriculture swiss army knife
Yup, i have a lego technics Claas Xerion model, its so cool! Working crane and everything 😅
I really love your enthusiasm for all things trucks and cars. Keep it up!
8:16 This is Sweden
Dala Frakt, Dala freight Dala is an abbreviation for the province of Dalarna
I live in Dalarna, i see a lot of these things around here:-)
The first truck (Green MAN) is also available als selfpropelled woodchipper from the manufactur "JENZ" called "COBRA", awsome mashine.
In Germany we say "Übung macht den Meister" which translates to "practice makes the master". All these crane operators have many years of practice and know exactly what they do. I highly respect people who mastered a task be it "simple" truck driving or more complex stuff like 3D modelling in cad software
Thanks to Norway for inventing the technology for these machines!
My Scandinavian brothers and sisters are amazing people and intelligent engineers
First truck that comes up is from Germany. The license plate would locate it in Unterfranken, which is on paper a part of Bavaria. The area is indeed quite nice, it is called Spessart.
A cool thing about the first truck is that if all goes well the driver can pick up logs and deliver them to the sawmill without ever leaving the seat. The Cabin is actually manufactured by Class, and is also used in many of their vehicles including combines and their Xerion tractor (which can also rotate its cabin to provide a better view to the rear attachments). It doesn't have a traditional steering column, but uses a motor to provide feedback to the driver, similar to the force feedback system on a sim rig.
11:44 get a even load dose too.
US logging is done on much bigger scale. And those truck drive outside of public roads a lot.In Europe there is not that much space, so you drive in normal traffic.
In the northern parts of europe there is logging at a huge scale. And there is a lot of space too. Europe just likes high tech, high cost but high efficiency and the us like more low tech, low cost and low efficiency. There is something to say for both.
@@autobootpilootyou miss the point. In most EU country you have A LOT of taxes on the workforce. So companies try to have one worker doing it all. So this conduce to had a lot of mechanised/automated system.
@@autobootpiloot Germany has lots of logging, BUT we also have lots of "small hills with winding forest roads" where the wood needs to be collected. In the USA / the relatively FLAT northern Sweden it is easy to make pretty straight roads / long curves.
we have so much logging in the nordic countries that you will see logging trucks driving through our capitals
The first truck is a MAN yes, but the cab system comes from a truck modifying specalist named Toni Maurer from Türkheim
Drive by wire.
DOLL makes fire trucks too.
Europe has a lot of amazing things that are consideret normal, such as high speed trains.
9.49 Crane operator and the truck driver is the same person.
You should do a Mudrunner let'splay!
Checkout Mcfadyens wind turbine transport
im guessing its steer by wire so yeah its blouthooth steering shaft for real xD
Yes MAN is part of VW amazing take a look at VOLKSWAGEN in Wolfsburg Called AUTOSTADT 😊❤
Check out Romanian trucks like Roman and DAC ... Roman is literaly the ROmanian MAN (ROMAN)... they had a partnership .... We used to build some AWESOME trucks right here in my hometown !! Big up to you regardless , I love your channel !
This is 105t long range timber truck in finland :) ruclips.net/video/NrASEeaOmDI/видео.html
Emergency brakes with different trucks (finland, there is is one truck with traditional brakes, can you point it out?) ruclips.net/video/lGeA6eu8gT4/видео.html
very challenging reverse (200m at night) (full size timber truck) ruclips.net/video/4ZDrl2Pua-I/видео.html
Reversing to forest for loading in very winter weather, note: chains are not used, but all timber trucks have many axels and there is lot of variation how to get maximum weight to drive axels. And winter tyres used in Finland are very good. ruclips.net/video/DAlX26tmj_I/видео.html
and
Big truck in a ditch in deep snow ruclips.net/video/FvD-OCpK8yw/видео.html
Good exampe of working in Finland at winter time, but it is actually very rare that trucks are 'off road'
Probably drive by wire or hydraulic steering.
Regarding these niche trucks, have a look at Edison Motors (Canadian company). I'll leave the research up to you, 'cus you can probably explain it better than me, English not being my native language.
Superb Skills - Log Truck 360 Turn Around Above Dangerous Cliff Edge ruclips.net/video/iX9ZPmQgiZI/видео.html
I don't like trucks but last Scania looks really good.
It's funny how people don't like trucks but still like the drivers.
This footage is from Germany, caption is in german as well!
some of it yes, last truck is from a company near me here in sweden :)!
@@hampusgranstrom6267 agreed!
The trucks fold up so they can be driven more easily unloaded AND they take up less space in a yard or garage.
It's not rocket science lol
Optimus primes family members
he is "steering by wire"
I assume that is a new truck because it is pristine. Does not look like it has ever been used.
Some truck drivers take pride in their trucks, so they take care of them, like clean the inside and outside. And some drivers take off their shoes when they enter the cab.
America is stuck in the stoneage with their trucks and so on :D
In Czech republic they still use horses to to drag the logs in nature reserves and national parks and places where trucks can't get (really high in the mountains or places where the weight of a truck could be a problem). Also one way of transporting logs in the past was to guide them down a river. A person would actually stand on a log with long pole to guide the others as they went with the stream until they reached a saw mill, if I remember correctly.
There was a video on how these logs dragged from the forest were cut into big logs for half-timbered houses here in Germany by hand ... but sadly it got deleted. A quite interesting process involving a decline and a really big hand-powered saw where one man was standing on top of the log and just pulled up the saw, while the other one was pulling it down.
Sadly this kind of knowledge gets lost more and more every day ... and fewer and fewer people "touch grass".
I've worked on sites with ponies dragging timber out before now (in the welsh mountains), can get them places you'd never dream of driving any kind of freight vehicle
Here in Thailand they would move those trees on a motorcycle together with the whole family lol
Oh yeah, the (agriculture) combine cabin. :D It's so they don't need to sit outside beside the hand control in heat, rain or snow which can take a hour (or 90 minutes if the guy "plays" with the logs) in one sitting. And have higher point of view. Don't need to put on boots until the very end where they need to go outside to secure the logs.
Still, around here there are classic older trucks for now (without the rotating cabine, camera system or other new ideas).
That cab from the first truck was a claas xerion cab.
The steering is what is called "Fly-by-wire". Its all electronic controlls from the cabin ( on the first truck).
In this case it is drive-by-wire
@@PlanetBerlin1991 😀 Possibly, but the prinsiple is the same 🙂
@@josteingravvik2381 No question! 🍻 I think it's also called steer-by-wire.
@@PlanetBerlin1991 I guess each manufacturer has their own name on it 😆
@@josteingravvik2381 For sure 😂
5:40 That's an Australian Kennedy folding trailer. In fact, the video is from Healesville, Victoria. Won't see that one in Europe. 7:25 The license plate is HSK, which is Hochsauerlandkreis, North Rhine-Westphalia.
Only seen 'em in Australia. Someone said it was because taxes depending on how many wheels on the road.
Seem odd if the taxation can be adjusted on the fly to how many wheels are currently used though. ? Most of the wear is going to be when it's fully loaded after all.
But at least the maximum vehicle length was increased by a few metres recently. Maybe one day we will even see those horizon covering sheep trains. ;)
all this folding stuff trailer and even every truck here in europe can lift his tyres from ground, all only for one reason saving tyres, saving brakes as they are expensive to replace. so here truckers ussualy work for company and drive company trucks which are changed frequantly. few years and thewy change as fuel cost , similar to planes. nopbody drives here old trucks like in usa. they would simply wont have job as other would give lower prices. trucks they dont stand here they non stop drive 24/7.
some of them have VR in the cab, so the driver just switches seat ,puts on the VR googles and starts loading the logs on the truck while operating the grapples from the cab, the cabin witch is in the back on regular logging trucks is swapped with a boom that has cameras on top witch are connected to the VR
I guess it's drive by wire for most if not all new trucks these days. I'd be surprised if there's still something like a steering column present.
A steering column is still a legal requirement in most of not all EU countries. So is a mechanical break backup.
Well its mandatory in fast vehicle. Tracktors, loaders terain dumptruck don´t need them.
And since December of 2023 (at least in Sweden and some other countries). Electronic stearing control is alowed on trucks traveling slower than 40km/h if then have a automatic lockin when the go faster.
Folding trailers are to save road taxes, as those are based on running wheels on the road surface. By folding trailers, and or lifting wheels off the ground means less wheels on the road the cost per driven km is reduced. While not needing heavy load carrying.
not true, if i lift an axle of my rig i still have to pay for it, a 7 axle truck is and stay an 7axle truck for the road taxes why do they fold, simpel, easy to drive when empty, easy acces and turnings in the woods when empty, and..... it saves tyre's........
@@Joel.V. I think he's talking about running costs. More wheels on the road is more rolling resistance to have to drive.
Or maybe in his country tolls or weighbridges are calculated by axles per trip somehow.
Not sure how road tax would change trip to trip but never know these days.
@@Joel.V. what country are you in. Certainly applies in many places.
I always thought it was to save tyres
One more reason is that you can get faster around the tighter european roads with a shorter truck/without a trailer, thus saving time on the way to get the next load.
@10m30s You're entirely right. First time learning to drive a reachtruck, scary. First weeks you're very cautious. A year later you'll go around corners on two wheels and it's just a random Tuesday. I've experienced this in various different jobs. And as you say, they're not easy jobs, but once you get the skill and you're actually good at it it does become easy, for a skilled professional. A newbie might have someone lose their life. The risks can be pretty big. If you're not at least somewhat good at this in a few months, this isn't the job for you as you're going to put someone's life at risk.
The FIRST truck, MAN, is steered by wire, just like most new wheel loaders from Volvo.
Your bucket list of European vehicle manufacturers to visit just gets longer, and longer, and ..... Perhaps they'll let you drive them too .....? Regards
When you're using the crane you idle a bit higher. You control the idle by the cruise control switches. Usually also remote control from the crane.
The truck engine is operating basically as a hydraulic pump at the point.
Did you watch Bruce Wilson? He is located in Florida and owns three Scanias. He makes videos about restoring them and making them US street legal. He also visited Scania in Sweden and test drove several trucks. Very cool guy. Maybe you could react to him.
He's moved to Tennessee and he's focusing on the black Scania and will use the other two for spare parts.
they are allready us legal, he is just a kid that play's with toy's, at the end of the day, all 3 scania's will end up like scrap.
but yes he is now in Jamestown Tennesee.
What needs doing to a scania to make it road legal? I was under the impression US regulation was less strict on such things than most countries you're likely to see the fancier scania units in?
@@carpetsomething There are several reasons why a European truck wouldn't be allowed on the road in the USA:
Different regulations:
Size: European trucks are typically shorter and narrower than US trucks. This is due to stricter size regulations in the EU that limit things like trailer length, overall height, and weight per axle. In the US, there are no nationwide length limits for trucks, and states have their own, often more relaxed, rules.
Engines: European trucks have to meet stricter emission standards compared to US trucks. This means they usually have engines that wouldn't be legal for use in the US.
Brakes: European trucks often use drum brakes, whereas disc brakes are more common on US trucks. Disc brakes offer better stopping power and are less prone to overheating.
Lights: Lighting systems differ between European and US trucks. For example, European trucks need amber turn signals, while the US uses red.
Safety regulations:
Airbags: US trucks must have airbags for the driver and passenger. This isn't mandatory in Europe.
Underride guards: US trucks require underride guards to prevent cars from going under the truck in a crash. Europe doesn't have this requirement.
Approval process:
Certification: To be road-legal in the US, a truck needs certification by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). This process can be expensive and time-consuming.
Documentation: European manufacturers would need to submit extensive documentation to the NHTSA for approval, usually in English.
Economic factors:
Cost: Modifying a European truck to meet US standards could be very expensive.
Demand: There's limited demand for European trucks in the US. This partly stems from the technical and safety differences mentioned earlier, along with preferences of American trucking companies and drivers.
While it's possible to modify a European truck for US use, it's generally not practical or economical.
@@klotz__ Not to be rude, but your answer really sounds like something ChatGPT would write.
Regarding underride guards: In Europe, side and rear underrun protection are mandated on all lorries and trailers with a gross weight of 3,500 kilograms (7,700 lb) or more.
Regarding emission regulations: Why would an engine adhering to a stricter set of emission rules be illegal under a less strict set of rules?
Regarding brake types: This answer is mostly backwards, because disc brakes have been the de facto standard in EU trucks for a long time, while the US has predominantly used drum brakes.
You wonder how it was done in the old days - In Sweden, the loggers lived out in the forest and the timber was transported with workhorses where they wore a harness and tied around a couple of logs and walked out of the forest to a forest road where the timber was loaded by hand over on a horse-drawn carriage. In winter, sleds were used. My father, his brothers and grandfather worked on this. Before they started using farm tractors to pull these timer trailers, but these old tractors that were also used in agriculture did not go fast. Top speed was 15.5 mph The make of the tractor is Volvo and it is still there and two of my cousins have restored it to like new condition.
Lanz Bulldog noises.
There were quite a few steps of development from pure man and horse to machines doing all the heavy work under the control of human operators. When trucks and tractors just started to appear, the horse teams still might have collected the timber from the woods, and the loading was done with pretty hazardous hoist contraptions using cables and power from the truck/tractor. Many a man broke bones back then, but occupational safety authority is a relative modern invention. This was for larger operations. Of course individual families might have done it in many different ways.
mainly transported via waterways.
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Europe and Australia are years ahead of the US in truck technology
think of steering axles on the trailer as well as heavy transport trailers and truck technology and the safety of heavy vehicles it must be said that the US is ahead of hydrogen gas technology in transport
Look at theire numberplates...then you know 😮😊
Two ✌🏻 things you need to watch is europien tractors specially if you want to see the owl 🦉 cabin again (Claas xerion 5000 is the tractor i believe ) and you need to check out scania t series trucks .
I'm hoping to see Lithuanian 🇱🇹 emergency vehicle video some day ...
I recommend EmergencyScandinavian channel . 🤙🏻
You need to check out a guy called Fred Dinbah, he renovated a steam traction engine which is basically a steam train for the roads, they were the first freight trucks basically, they're amazing too, Fred did a series traveling across the UK in his traction engine which was very bittersweet as he did the whole trip knowing he had terminal cancer, incredible guy, he was famous on UK TV for being a steeplejack and for his love of heavy industry, but I think you'd get a real thrill watching him drive his traction engine.
If you like that then you should check out some of the forestry machines aswell.
They cut trees, debranch and haul the timber, all in the same machine. Really impressive stuff.
MAN and the Scania are with german plates
The rotating cab on the MAN is probably from Claas tractors - They started using them on Claas Xerion 3300 Trac 20 years ago. ruclips.net/video/CHj238Sc2Yk/видео.html
ist deutschland und nicht amerika. wir können fahren 😋😋
3:18 i would guess steering is electric as it is in many new cars and trucks, so you can reverse the steering signal easy so it turns "normal" then cabin is turned backwards :)
The first green one is german i guess❤😊
12:03 'Robban' is the Swedish version of Bob basically. If someone is named Robert, they are often called 'Robban'. He just likes Audi cars I guess. However, we almost always concatenate words into compound words in Sweden, because sometimes, if you separate words that should not be separate, you can get some horrible dangling modifiers. Like the compound word 'Giftorm' (venomous snake), if separated into its basic parts 'gift' and 'orm', i.e. "gift orm" would translate to "married snake" since 'gift' means both 'married' and 'venom' in Swedish. Another fun one is the phrase "Sätt på en skygglapp" (put on a blinker i.e. for horses). If you separate the last noun there, so it reads "Sätt på en skygg lapp", it becomes "f*ck a shy Laplander"
More like a nickname, if you are named Robert.
3:45 There probobly is a geared telescopic shaft in the rear of the truck. Its possible its a hydraulic connection. Law in Europe mandate that all vehicle going faster than 40km/h must have a physical/mechanical backup for steering and breaking. Also parking break
Apart from that with throttle, and gear shifter and most other, they are just electrically connected. So ignoring the steering, breaking and parking break, its basically just a normal cab.
*brake, not break. 😉
The wood industry is massive here(Ireland)
Volvo and Scania are most popular, John Deere and ponsse for Harvesters and forwarders
That Man usually has a jenz wood chipper mounted on the rear which is why the cabin turns around.
This MAN truck must have Drive by wire technology.
07:37 Scania R series 540 hp 6x6
Normal truck drivers: pimping their ride with a bunch of leds and flashy paint jobs
Logging truck drivers:
They generally logged near rivers 200 yearss ago, then they floated it downstream.
dgermany! sure!
Hi I'm a Transformer and I want my vehicles back........
These are nothing compared to PONSSE's machines!
Wow, that blew my mind, those trucks are top level machines, they are certainly different to the basic Aussie style. man I would love to have a go in the rotator.
If I remember correctly the MAN with the raising/rotating cabin is a prototype. But a nifty design indeed.
It's honestly fine to say "Man". We say Bee Em DoubleYou because BMW isn't a word :)
Holy shit how did u get a license plate from Graz?? Its my hometown!! Very cool of you to have it
the MAN has a CLAAS XERION tractor cab on it, all the contols are fly by wire (all digital so no brake hoses or steering column to work out) they even (as a tractor) auto swap the controls based on which way you are facing
As you like Scanias so much, you definitely should check out the channel from Bruce Wilson!
He is located in the US and has two of the few Eurotrucks over there, namely Scanias.
The first truck is all ‘fly by wire’ so everything is electrical, once the driver cab is engaged he can just drive like a normal truck. It’s very cool, very high tech
the first truck (the MAN unit with a DOLL special concept) was a highly specialised construction for a big company (Reith) that have their own logging and processing plants in Germany and are a company specialised in lumber production
for a normal company this would be not even usable as it costs more to build that machine than it would earn in the matter of use... however as this was a special project to see if their needs could be fitted it works out for the company that runs it
the unit is a so called "high speed forwarder" that can not only be used on forestry roads but even on public roads... and the travel speed is the one of a road truck on public roads
a regular forwarder has to be transported by a second truck and can only operate offroad and on forestry roads, this unit however can be used on several areas and be driven fully loaded (within the street legal weight limit) as well so yeah, it is not the typical truck and semitrailer unit but a special built unit with full cab controlled functions built for a special purpose and a solo customer in mind (and they would change some things after their long time testing period as the truck unit is a bit overpowered and could have been built on a 26 ton chassis instead of a 32 ton that they used as they stated in a interview)
still it is a amazing concept made after the specifications and wishes of a customer (and just modifying the controls with the rotating cab was a extra 150k € according to the interview)
@IWrocker : FYI...
The SCANIA in the video @ 7:00 comes from:
License plate NK
Stands for Neunkirchen (Nine Churches)
Used in Neunkirchen district
Federal state of Saarland
It borders France and Luxembourg to the southwest
and if you LOOK closely you can see that the owner has a "personal license plate" with the initials of his name, shown at @7:05
INFO: When the "EU license plates" were designed, the "hyphen" was left out to save costs because it was not actually used. Old license plates look like this (ABC - DE 1234)
the “EU” license plate like this (ABC DE 1234)
By the way, do you know the funny mistake the advertising agency made with the Aachen police?! They had a photo of a patrol car with the license plate "AC AB 101" on the front page and were then fooled with pictures of fake emergency vehicles all over the NET
"Fly by wire" , some Claas trtactors also have the same, to reverse with big snow blowers etc
Ian, you describe yourself as a "truck guy" and "car guy" yet you appear to be surprised by anything involving cars and trucks, No hatred meant dude but come on.
just put a small playlist of vids I found from Australia, that have log trucks in them, you might find a something worth putting in a vid, I'll put link in discord
Once again you should show the whole clips not parts of or do it in multiple parts..... If you not going to show the whole clips I will unsub !!!
"It'd be fun to try" [crane operating] well there are some places where you can "drive heavy equipment for fun for an hour" ... maybe you have such a place nearby where you can also operate a crane (or digger ... which is more or less the same).
Claas has a tractor doing that (Claas Xerion: ruclips.net/video/a-3zbwuufz0/видео.html&ab_channel=FarmTrader ) I know the steering reverses too for this tractor.
Industial level Bluetooth is actually often used for control and sensor signals these days. They even have transmitters and receivers that work through metal walls of about a cm thick, although it's still a bit wonky. We use it in our job to be able to perform data gathering in climate tests without compromising the test specimen. You want to avoid drilling holes in your specimen when you are actually testing it's air tightness for instance. Bluetooth devices become cheaper by the day and might be economically competitive to wiring in quite some cases.
wired. steering. and yes kind of a bluetooth steering collum
You ar welcome to Sweden 21-24 augusti-2024 in Jönköping its Truck mässa
drive by wire technology just like in airplanes should make the rotatable cabin possible
Have you ever followed the European Truck Racing events? That would likely tick a lot of boxes for you. It's mental.
If I send you one of my old license plate, would you hang it obove the Audi poster?
I'm from germany
true human civilization started from Europe and will always be like this, all European brands are the same for example Mercedes Benz Actros is a monster of absolute quality trucks 40 years ago you could see the difference but now they are all the same in Europe it doesn't matter what the brand is 'it's a documentary with the largest truck factory I'm talking about Mercedes Benz they made millions and millions of trucks and no two trucks are the same every truck is different in terms of its use,it's funny American people know just Volvo and Scania in Europe😂
The folding trailer and the following scene of the truck at 6:00 is most likely from Australia. First he drives on the left side of the road. Second do the massive logs not look like the usual pulp wood sticks harvested in Northern Europe, the bark on the big logs is smooth, light brown and does fray off, that's typical for Eucalyptus trees.
These in the video are some newer stuff, but you still see a lot of somewhat older timber trucks, especially the trailers can be 25 years old, these have a crane with just an open seat and are not as pleasant to operate in the cold and wet. Never seen a truck with a combine cab fitted though. This must be very recent.
The man truck is I believe a JENZ MAN truck
You should take a look into farm machines if you want to see crazy transformer level origami level folding to be able to drive on public roads.
Hydraulic steering has come a long way, fairly common to see rotating seats/cabs with valves that switch the oil flow depending on the direction in industrial settings.
I would bet that the MAN (Maschinenwerke Augsburg Nürnberg) as an german company switch the stearing after rotation that turn in this direction where he looks and not anyomre like in formward driving.
200 years ago they dragged the logs with horses in the winter. And then in the summer they pushed the logs into the rivers and let them float downstream to the sawmill.
Even way less than 100 years ago they used horses and floating the logs. Actually, logs are still floated when it makes sense, as its cheaper than trucking.
See how 'Holzrücken' is done the old way, demonstrated in southern Germany, and still preferred method sometimes, because it's less destructive:
ruclips.net/video/rC2LnE4YQJA/видео.htmlsi=Fa5oQgMbEdd4xUJh
Pacific P-16 might just be the coolest logging truck of all time
9:56 i can promise, those cabs can take a log or 2 and still work. Sure the paint will be bad and the mirror might be gone, but, the cabs can resist a rollover so they can resist a log easily
In UK there are no fast lanes. There is a standard lane plus one or more overtaking lanes (passing lanes to you). Lets see if u understand....
We now have so much dead wood here because of bark beetles and so few wood trucks that they take the wood out of the forest with road trucks in overseas containers and ship it to China. Nobody knows what these trucks weigh with a container full of tree trunks and nobody wants to know if the container is sealed.
it is fly by wire like airplanes and F1 cars to steer and drive !!!!
With the first MAN truck it is possible that it’s electric steering that means there is not an physical connection between the steering wheel and the wheels
At 6:13 it has rear wheel steering