Hash marks or friction marks on metal : Breakdown video by Evan's Detailing and Polishing
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2019
- Evan from Evan's detailing and polishing breaks down the dreaded hash marks. Bear with me as this video is unedited and raw footage. No cool music. No fancy edits. Just as raw as it can be. Its far from a perfect video but it gets the point across. Mind you I have led lights in my shop which is the most brutal light to work under as it shows everything and makes life easier or harder depending how you look at it. If it looks good in the shop it'll look great out in the natural light of the sun. Hash marks are simply friction marks on the metal from the buff or compound leaving its mark on metal. It is possible to polish without leaving them but it is a lengthy process. Technique and product does play a big factor in getting it rather nice. Time and money is a big factor in the results you give someone. Perfection takes a long time and requires more products. I hope that you all find this video helpful and that you are able to learn. I'm not saying my way is the only way or that I am right. I'm simply saying that this is the best way I found to achieve great results in the shortest amount of time.
If you like the results we've achieved in this video you can pick up the same materials we use on goshineon.com/shop
Where we carry the full line of Renegade products usa. From buffs, compounds and their full liquid line of detailing products.
Here also is the links to the buffers we use and the sanders we use.
Makita ga7021 amzn.to/2RPDBoo
6,000 rpm
Dewalt D28499X amzn.to/2JZqw9j
6,000 rpm
Makita 9927c amzn.to/2TaKL8n
3500 rpm variable speed
Dewalt dwp849x amzn.to/2qIZ7j9
3500 rpm variable speed
Makita 5" da or random orbit
hook and loop amzn.to/2SxCY3r
Dewalt 5" da or random orbit
hook and loop amzn.to/2KJMCkc
Extension cords
100' 10 gauge amzn.to/2Sqclko
50' 10 gauge tri tap amzn.to/2t6PHPJ
100' 12 ga amzn.to/2GgOFJJ
50' 12 ga amzn.to/2TA5nXs
Brushes for buffers
GA7021 amzn.to/2EFCMea
9227C amzn.to/2Xq3xdQ
Jawhorse amzn.to/2GiMd2Q 
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Holy crap .. 15 plus years of polishing. And I never thought about cutting direction and how our brains perceive clarity ... Thankyou so much for that video . I’ve been sitting on hash mark questions since I started in 93 !!!
Took me a long time and some deep conversations to figure it out.
Thanks so much for doing this video.it explains and clears up a lot and gives me something I can show people. Legendary.
I appreciate it, thank you for watching! Happy I could help.
Great video Evan! Thanks for all the help!!
glad to help
Even thank you so much for your time that you spend to make the videos for us! Your work is just unbelievable!!
Thank you. I am glad to help
As always another awesome video cleared up question I had.. thank for all your help with the videos
Glad to help. Thanks for watching.
Another great, to the point video. It's obvious that you enjoy and care about your work. Great job!!!
Thank you. Appreciate you watching.
you are the best, so real info with no hype. your videos have made it possible to get my Airstream looking good for my first ever polishing.
So happy they have helped. Thank you for watching and supporting.
Thank you for posting these. Getting lots of help around here my friend!
Glad to help. Thanks for watching.
very interesting. thanks for the video. makes sense now with the light angles on polished tanks.
Thanks for watching. Hope the video helps
this is a great tip. thanks for sharing all your experience
Thank you and I happy I can help.
Very good explanation. It makes alot of sense.
By the way nice video! Very well explained. It was driving me crazy. Thanks for providing a little clarity.
Glad to help
I've got a polished aluminum Cessna 185. This video alone has me re-evaluating on how I approach polishing each surface. Thank you!!!
Angles is all the name of the game. Thanks for watching and supporting.
True speaker, thanks. Awesome job man from a fan of P.R🇵🇷
Appreciate you watching.
Thanks for doing it Evan. Learned me something new
Glad to help
Waw , fantastic explanation and great use of prop.
Thank you. Appreciate that.
Great video!, Awesome visualization and explanation. Thanks
Thank you, I appreciate it.
Great video it definitely helps me and I understand better now! Thank you!
I am glad to help
I’ve only been following you for a couple weeks but I bought some items and did a beer keg. The results I got was amazing by following you lead. I am a Detailer and understand my way kinda lol. I sanded multiple times then stepped polished a couple. There is a night and day difference so I can relate to that 9 out of 10 comment. Is it perfect ummm no but everyone that seen the result are amazed. Thank you for your videos and ease of explanations.
Glad to help out. Thanks for watching.
Great explanation!
Thank you. Appreciate it.
I have a 387 Peterbilt that I bought from a driver in Oconto. Some of my aluminum polishing has gone well, while others have just gone. Thank you for solving a few of the mysteries of polishing!
Glad to help. That is the beauty of polishing. Everyday is different.
wow, that was amazing insight!
Thank you. I hope you found it helpful. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Great wisdom Evan
I try. Thanks for watching.
Another great video.
Thanks bud.
Valuable info right there thumbs up!.
Glad it was helpful!
Dangit man! I’ve learned more about this in three videos then I ever knew existed! Great Video
Thank you. I am truly happy to know that the videos are helpful to you. Thank you for watching. I appreciate your support.
Great job you made it look easy.
thank you. After 21 years of practice I'm starting to get the hang of it. LOL
I'm an art fabricator working on a large stainless sculpture and we're having a hell of a time sanding and polishing it up to an acceptable mirror. Your videos are helping me figure some of these things out. Thanks man.
Happy to help. If you need any extra advise feel free to reach out. You can email at evan@goshineon.com
It's pretty perfect buddy! I am glad u made this video having issues with sander marks. Imma try to take the class this year I think!
Sounds great.
Thank you so much for this, all of the reading I've been doing and the term 'hash mark' wasn't in anywhere, now I know what they're called and how to deal with it
Glad to help. Thanks for watching and supporting.
Finally some one who made me think maby im not such a looser for failing at getting all the scraches out. Have been driving me nuts for ages for not getting that crystal clear finish.
Takes time to get to perfection.
Thanks for the video
You are welcome. Thanks for watching.
All I can say is.....THANK YOU!
I mean what else can we do? This is simply amazing. Sometimes the most important knowledge is the simplest, once you learn it. I sound like Yogi Berra now....geez!
The biggest thing here that I do agree with on is QUALIFYING YOUR CUSTOMER!
You're not polishing paint (what I use to do as a detailer) or metal for ourselves....we are doing it to get paid. To make the most profit, which is what any business does and should be doing, you have to take to the point that is almost unacceptable by the customer. If you exceed their expectations through wasted time, you lose money. If you exceed through qualifying then fulfilling their needs, you make money.
Thank you.
Thank you for watching and thank you for this comment. I appreciate your words and support.
Great video
Thanks!
Very nice
Thanks appreciate you taking the time to watch.
Good stuff, brother!
Appreciate it!
Great video! I try to tell folks it's all about technique when it comes to buffing anything, whether it be aluminum or paint. I have watched a lot of tank & wheel polishing videos, they don't explain much but I learn a lot just from watching. You do a excellent job of explaining everything! I've heard the explanation of reflection of light but I can't remember where is was, maybe something to do with painting cars or art class?
Likely true. in painting cars it really rings true.
Mind=Blown
Mine was too first time I saw it.
Awesome
Thanks bud.
Ur a legend, love the more educational vids
Appreciate that, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment.
Awesome Thanks
Glad to help
Very informative
Glad it was helpful!
Genius!
Thanks for watching.
I’m learned something today!!! Looks good to me. You’re right about the 9 out of 10!
That is they way of the world. Learning and moving forward.
Wow , I was wondering how my tank looked dull after hours of polishing thanks for the tip from Scotland
Glad it helped
What in the black magic lol. That’s crazy thanks for sharing
Ikr. Science.
I thought of the seam thing what would happened if we flap the tank, way to go Evan u got me subscribing
Thank you for supporting my channel.
Yes true very true
you got it.
Damn that’s trippy I never knew that
The more you know. Thanks for watching and supporting.
New to metal polishing. But when I’m done and in really bright lights or the sun I get what looks like swirl marks like you’d see on paint. I sanded 320-400-600. Had same issue on some diamond plate on my equipment trailer. I used a orange buff with brown and finished with yellow and green.
Those are called hashmarks. They are normal for most day to day polishing. No hashmarks takes years to accomplish. And also takes many hours of work on just one part to get to perfectionThanks for watching.
I understand, but to me Evan, ALL of your work looks 100%!!! 👍👍
Thanks for the educational video my friend!!!!! ~Jay~
Remember my friend no fucking Rouge Lube
I am glad to have helped out. Thank you for watching.
Cool video bud..took me awhile to figure that out ..lol
Took me a long time to understand as well.
That video made me subscribe! 🤯.
Thank you for subscribing. Appreciate it. Thanks for watching.
Hopefully I'll be polishing my old camper and galaxie wheels by next week. Thanks for the great tutorials
Glad you like them. Thanks for watching.
I'd like to see a video on hopper bottom or van frame rails. Nearly impossibly to cut vertical.
Those you cut with the grain and color straight up.
Just saw this video and wanted to add 2 things:
1. Haze is in fact caused by direction of the scratches as is explained in this video; however, it is due to scratches being parallel or perpendicular to the direction of the light falling on the part, not about vertical or horizontal and human eye. In most cases the light falls from above (sun, or ceiling lamp) so it is tempting to say horizontal scratches = haze. Turn off ceiling lights and use strong hard (far away) side light and your findings will be reversed.
2. To better show this on video, shine a laser pointer onto the polished surface at a shallow angle and record the image on a wall reasonably far away, so that the sport from pointer can diverge to several inches or even a foot. What you will find is that shinning laser pointer parallel to scratches produces a smaller and more crisp image on the wall. Shining perpendicular to scratches will create hazy/blurry reflection.
Thank you watching and for adding information.
Great video. Could definitely see it!
Thanks for watching.
💯😎
Thank you.
Would. You recommend that when polishing something like car trim, to picture the piece and polish it vertical according to how it's positioned on the car? Just thinking I normally run things length wise no matter the final orientation, but now you got my brain working, lol
Stainless is completely different. Especially car trim. Trim should always be polished length wise.
Great video, so if I’m polishing a rim(24x14) with a big lip so I polish it horizontal or vertical?
Check out my how to polish a forged wheel video.
i,m polishing a 29' airstream, my first time polishing thanks for your video's they are very informative. Do you do airstream's?
Yes we do but if I never have to do another airstream as long as I live I'll die happy... LOL They are very time consuming and suck the life out of a person.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing it's a bitch
Hi from Australia Evan,
I’m getting Tigre stripes on my petrol tanks using airway buffs. What am I doing wrong ? I do my first cut with the brown bar, yellow buff and my colour with a green bar, white buff.
Cheers,
Simon
Hele Transport it could be a multitude of different things. Not enough pressure or overlap. Moving too fast or moving too slow. Not covering the entire area. It’s usually missed spots in the cut stage.
Awesome. Could cutting the tank horizontal and then vertical make a difference?
Or just cut at 20 degree angle?
I know people that do but I don't like cross cutting. Sometimes it leaves a plaid pleated pattern in the metal that you can't seem to get out. Hope this helps.
That makes sense so a 20 degree angle is the secret?
Relatively yes
I have someone looking for near perfection on a pontoon. Looks perfect when sunlight is not directly hitting it but when 1:00 pm hits I can start seeing tiger stripes. I hit it with and orange buff then yellow, and final with a white flannel but it still visible. How could I step it down after yellow. I used menzerna green with orange and yellow then menzerna blue with whit flannel. Even the flannel was leaving marks.
I think we talked on the phone. Hope this got resolved.
Yes we did. Thanks again!
Glad to help
I just finished a pontoon and I know exactly what your talking about, I wish you didn’t talk on the phone so I could of read what you “cleared up” 😆 …..I’m getting zig zags from one weld all the way down and it seems to be just at the surface because every time I go over it with the flannel it changes them up just a little bit, but they never seem to completely disappear. When I go over at a 45 degree angle it seems they look acceptable, however there must be a way to get them to disappear?? They seem next to impossible because depending on where the sun is and which and angle I look at it from, the lines seem to shift all the way down the side! Please Someone give me some pro tip advice!
when I finish shine my truck tank why does it leave a green buffering lines
andre trucker green lines?? I’ve never heard of that before. What are you using?
Im.having an issue with lines or colloms.in my rows that are extremly visible when they are looked at an angle
Text pics to my cell number I will try to help fix your problem. 9209790386
My main focus is paint correction and ceramic coatings, metal polishing on the side. With that being said hash marks drive me nuckin futs. 95% of my customers dont see them, but I do and my OCD brain says fix it.
Agreed
Do you think the products you used like the block compounds for color sanding are good for a begginer?
Genysmen runner for sure. I recommend to lots of beginners with great results.
Evan Steger thanks there is a way I can buy the products to Puerto Rico? I want to try them but in your website doesn’t show up
Genysmen runner I can only ship in the us. But I think there is a distributor in Puerto Rico.
Evan Steger I will try to find the store but if you know I would like your help. Thanks!
I have no idea what it is called... Sorry
How do you clean the black marks off?
I push the black to an edge or a stopping point. I wouldn't stop in the middle like this. This is just a display to show the difference.
How do you get rid of those "brown smudge" marks at the end of your work area?
I hand polish blend into the part I can't reach. Check my how to blend video here on my channel.
Can you do it vertically in top of where you made it horizontally so it can be seen like hash free?
Don't worry guy if you smoke enough hash you won't see it
Cross cutting is hard to eliminate all scratches. It is too opposite to eliminate all of it. But that is simply my own opinion.
Evan Steger well you are the expert thanks
Are you applying alot of pressure or letting the buff do most of the work
I apply as much pressure as my overlap. Check out my pressure and overlap video to explain this better. Without seeing what I'm saying will be tough to understand.
So how can I fix it? I'm doing a horse trailer where I had to go horizontal in lots of places. It looks like crap!
Sometimes you have to polish sideways but need to go vertical anywhere you can.
Evan Steger ok. In the horizontal areas can I use a mini polisher with a felt pad to blend it or does that not work?
Please help! I'm a subscriber and do quiete a bit of polishing on my own stuff but I got new wheels and compound and now I can't get hash marks out of my wheels
You will almost always have hashmarks. Buffs and compounds create friction. It will take a lot of time and stepping down your buffs and compounds to get to have no hashmarks. Plus you have to have perfect pressure and technique to have no hashmarks.
Just did my first cut today...leaving black lines ,what im doing wrong
Same this I’m trying to figure it out
If you are leaving black lines either the metal is too rough to polish without sanding or you are moving up to far too fast and not following your shine line. I recommend watching some of the videos on us actually polishing. If you are still struggling send pictures to 9209790386 which is my cell number and I will help you fix your issues the best I can.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing is this for real your number you can help me out I’m having some trouble on flat surfaces you can say. The flat side of my tanks always suck and I did a box today and looked hazy and burned in a way you can like it didn’t get the polish like I wanted it
So what you're trying to say is that we're not allowed to roll our truck 😂
I wouldn't recommend it. LOL
Hash marks drive me insane.
Agreed!
Has to do with primary light source location, not our brains. For proof, turn off the shop lights and shine a work light from the side.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Just got mind fucked 😂
Thanks for watching. Hope it helps.
Ooooooooooooo
Thank you
@EvanStegerMetalPolishing You are the reason my boat looks so good, And I have never even met you haha.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It is very much appreciated.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing Thank You
How do you clean yourself afterwards lol your face is covered lol
I have a video on this. Super easy to get off. LOL
Ok bud it's time you share secrets on stainless polishing step for step to a show finish without seeing haze when done !? Please and thank you
Holden Colony Carriers that’s a tough one. Hard to show on camera.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing
Well I'll tell you what show us your steps. Your do's an your dont's. An each of us can decide for them selves where to gain practic. I have a piece of stainless that I will practic on before touching my stainless bumper
what is the point in mask??? your face looks like you don't use one
I take mine off and wipe sweat too much to make it as effective as it should be. If you put it on before walking in the shop and not take it off until you walk out the shop at the end of the day it would stay clean. I wear it to keep the majority of it all off. Some safety is better than no safety.
@@EvanStegerMetalPolishing going to get me a mask, hard t clean up around eyeballs!!! After watching yr videos I need purchase rack for sure .tks
@@clyderanger that is one of the main reasons I use a full face. I hated cleaning around my eyes.
Gary Foster 1st time I cut and polished some rims without the full face. The white flannel was like someone blowing dandelions into my eyes 👀. I only do my own stuff but it’s now a necessity