Glad to see you back, I really was getting worried. This was a bit of a grudge match as my son owns a 442 and this worn out old boomer has a Vette. Fun to watch, thank you as always ~ Chuck
One of the few street races for money I ever had back in the day was against a 1974 ‘Vette. I had basically stock 1970 Mach 1, 351W automatic. I had a few bolt ons like a 4 bbl, headers and 3.91 gears. My car ran high 14’s and smoked the smog dog ‘Vette.
That is apple to oranges. run that Vette with a 1974 351-C those Clevelands are turds dude my friend had a 73 cougar 351-c 4 barrel and dual exhaust it only went 18.0 77mph and that car only had 52k original miles
@@darrinjones5951The 71 Boss 351 Mustang was by no means a Turd, was the Baddest Small Block to come outta Detroit ! Would embarrass many a Big Block. You probably mistaking a 8.0:1 Compression 2V engine in that Cougar.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Yes that is what the corvette had I think we had a conversation before the Lt1 and l79 corvettes would Shit on a Boss Mustang also a turd also with 11.3.1 compression almost a 500 lift cam and 3.91 gears never saw one break out of the 15,s stock End of story!
@@darrinjones5951 Boss 351,s were High 13 sec cars in stock trim, And that's a Fact, that's the Truth, i can't explain it anymore to someone that has no clue, i guess Hot Rod, and Motor Trend had some one off freaks of nature when they were tested going High 13,s all day long.
@@darrinjones5951 That is because the Cougar had a peg leg 2.73 gear in it. I've been in 73 Mustang with a 351 cleve 2 BBL that would do an amazing burnout and smack nice 2nd gear rubber.
Try to put your foot through the floorboard and wait and wait but it stirred some old memories I had a 67 GS 400 and enjoyed it, glad you’re back my guy.
I thought about buying a '74 4 speed vette with a 454 in it for about 5 minutes back in the '90s. A rare moment of lucidity made me consider what the insurance would be on that for a 19 year old Lance Corporal and I didn't do it.
Hey, welcome back! Was kinda surprised neither car broke into the 15's. The Olds 350 was a solid engine with a lot of potential...the W-31 was a beast! Thanks C&Z. 👍😎
Cool to see cars like this race, even though you could "time them with a calendar" as my dad would say. Not the fastest cars in the lanes, but a pretty close match.
Don't know what's up with the Vette, but the '74 had a two piece rear end, you can see the big seam down the middle from 50 yards. Either that's not a '74 or maybe the owner couldn't find the right year part to replace a damaged one. Never really understood why Dr. Olds would have made the pace car option available on a Cutlass and not limit it to the 442 only.
Both are great looking GM cars id be happy to own but the olds is my favorite even though she's a little chunky 😅 Thanks for the video. Awesome as always 👍
Always great to have a new C&Z video waiting in the morning. I was slightly disappointed because the commentary was a bit more "subdued" than normal, but I recognize that our favorite combination of innuendo/toilet humor does take time and effort, so hopefully the next video will attain the high standards we have all come to appreciate from Cars and Zebras. FYI, my 17 year old and I always enjoy when the "Boomer" character shows up griping about how things were "back in my day...". Keep up the good work C&Z!!
Clearly these cars didn’t turn him On this time. He can’t fake the humor. He needs cars that are equivalent to Milfs, not gilfs, to really get his commentary going.
Even then in the start of the low powered heavy smog laden era, the L82 was still being underrated. Just look at those low RPM numbers. The L82 with it's slightly higher compression, aprox 9.2 vs. 8.5, higher lift longer duration cam and much better flowing heads could safely turn 6,000 RPM with peak H.P. at 5,600 RPM. True H.P. was 280-300. At the crank of course. Quite good for mid-70's! Build a 350 as close as possible to '74 L82 specs and dyno it! You will see.
Had the same engine in a '74 Z/28. Definitely a quick car, especially for the era. Had headers when I bought it and ran strong. Added an intake and Holley. Fun car, especially after swapping the anti-roll bars with the WS6 T/A bars.
@@Turbo4Joe363 still had decent heads and cam. Add some compression, headwork, good dual plane intake, Holley 3310, headers and it will make decent power. But since everything is trending towards the LS motors it doesn't matter now.
I do love early 70s Olds but I'm not a drop top guy still a very cool car I do like the corvette 350 4speed really cool. Love you're video's keep them coming. 👊👍
@@CarsAndZebras Ok, but my next question would be how could you order the W-31 on Cutlass Supreme when you could only get it on Cutlass S ???? I'm not giving you a hard time as I love your channel and we have communicated before. Something is fishy about that car.
16.2 seems pretty slow for 3.42 rear end on that Olds. I can recall my buddy with a 69 Cutlass 350 2 BBL being able to beat Smog era Vetts no problem, So did my Lemans 350 2BBL. They would also walk any stock 350 - 71 72 Chevl/ Malibu, they were always super slow.
I keep saying I have to get out there to see these cars race, it's only a 2.5 hr drive from home. Just amazing the rare cars that show up and race through your videos. For nothing more than bragging rights. I don't even know if there is prize money involved.?!
I’m a Mopar fan I have owned four Challengers one being a 74 but I had a 71 340 in it I also had a 71 r/t with a 440 but the 74 Cuda that you want to see in a race made a very disappointing 150 hp ! If I ever find another 71 340 with the right heads I will build a car around this awesome engine
I agree with some others commenting about this being a 1975 Corvette. The rear urethane bumper is one piece, the Corvette font on that bumper and the interior are all 1975. I have a 1974. They look good and sound good, but I think my VW Jetta handles better, but no style points at all. I would have guessed high 14s or low 15s.
I had a 75 corvette that was good for 18 seconds in a 1/4 mile. I remember getting in a race against a ford aerostar mini van and barely kept up LOL. It was a beautiful car, but was it ever slow
Awww yeah! C&Z 🦓 finally back with another banger of a drag race! Not gonna lie brother, I wasn't expecting one like this at all! Love those early 70's Vettes but that Olds pace car takes the cake for me! Your content is always Gold, glad to see ya back! 👍
The cutlass is the same engine that was in the rallye 350. What I always didn’t get was the 310 hp 350 was the standard 4brl 350 in the cutlass supreme but this pace car and both the rallye have ram air so why not a higher horsepower claim for either?
I looked up hp rating on my '14 Honda CRV with a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder engine after hearing the specs on the base '74 Corvette. 185 for the CRV. 5-speed auto. vs 195 hp on the Corvette. I think I could give a base '74 'Vette a run for their money. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the race/video and hope to see more from this channel in the near future. 🍻🍻🍻
The 92 Dodge Dakota I had in the 90’s was quicker. V6 5 speed shortbed and standard cab. Ran a quickest of 15.9 at 85 MPH at US 41 Dragway in Indiana. It wasn’t too bad for the time.
Jimmy Carter mandated. Had NOTHING to do with the capabilities of the car. My 79 318 Cordoba does 0-60 in 14 seconds but will still bury the 85MPH speedometer and then some.
this one got me, I was thinking high 14s for both but they're 2 seconds slower. Especially the Olds 350, it has compression, cold air induction along with other favorable specs. I realize they are on the heavy side however... hmmm
Car Life magazine has a average of 5 tested 15.27 for a 1970 rally 350 Olds with a 4 speed and 3:42 gears,they also tested 7 1969 350 auto 3:08 geared ZQ3 vetts and got an average of 16:12. .Other cars tested also proved to be slower then what you may expect.
@@basilcarroll9729 thanks for the detailed info, I believe it now. Probably not the most scientific but my experience with a well tuned 68 Firebird puts a little bias in it for me. It was easy low 14s with a 3.23 open rear. Tuning makes a hell of a difference as does decent exhaust pipes and well dialed Carb and distributor. A 350 Pontiac for reference.
Is the Corvette driver just not very good? Or is this at a higher elevation? The L-82 with a 4 speed and 3.73 gears should be quicker. I had the same combo in a '74 Z/28. Granted I had headers, Edelbrock RPM Performer and 3310 Holley, but I had no problem smoking C4 Corvettes that allegedly ran mid 14s. But bone stock with a 4 speed in either car should be flirting with 14s.
@@Scottwax you could be right on that because of the times but the Oldsmobile does indicate he was putting the coals to it with that tire chirp from first to second in the third pass and his trap time was similar. Back in the late 70's and early 80's I had a '72 Gran Torino with a 351C 4Bbl 4 speed, a 'Cuda with a 340 six pak with a 4 speed and I also had a friend with a '66 GTO with a 389 tri-power and 4 speed and they all felt effin' fast but I know they were low to mid 14 cars at best. I think the guy in the Olds gave it all she had and the Corvette I agree should have been a little quicker, especially out of the hole with those gears but I gotta say, their times were consistent so they both seemed really bracketed.
Damn. A SLIGHTLY tweaked 90s-00s non supercharged 3800 Regal will do those kinds of numbers (mine did consistent 15.9s, my supercharged one did a second and change better). I'm surprised the Olds is that slow, '70 models were damn near always pretty quick unless it was a grampsmobile 6-cylinder. I'm not at all surprised that it smoked the '74 Vette, though. '74 was a ROUGH year for American V8s.
My stock GTP did 15.0 @ 92 mph with only 900 miles on the odometer. It wasn’t even broken in yet. Something is amiss here. They’ve got to be at high elevation or something😳
I love the body style and looks of the 3rd Gen Stingray but I always hated those plastic front and rear bumpers that even new off the assembly line did not hold their shape properly and any time they sat in the hot sun they looked horrendous, like they were almost 50 years old years old!
That 16 secs for the 1970 pace car is horrible. 1970 was the peak of the horsepower wars. Most serious cars were pushing 400 hp or more and they were drastically underrated for insurance purposes. The contenders of that era 68-70 they could get mid 13's
Glad to see you back, I really was getting worried. This was a bit of a grudge match as my son owns a 442 and this worn out old boomer has a Vette. Fun to watch, thank you as always ~ Chuck
I've been worried something happened. As others have said, it's good to see you back on the internet.
One of the few street races for money I ever had back in the day was against a 1974 ‘Vette. I had basically stock 1970 Mach 1, 351W automatic. I had a few bolt ons like a 4 bbl, headers and 3.91 gears. My car ran high 14’s and smoked the smog dog ‘Vette.
That is apple to oranges. run that Vette with a 1974 351-C those Clevelands are turds dude my friend had a 73 cougar 351-c 4 barrel and dual exhaust it only went 18.0 77mph and that car only had 52k original miles
@@darrinjones5951The 71 Boss 351 Mustang was by no means a Turd, was the Baddest Small Block to come outta Detroit ! Would embarrass many a Big Block. You probably mistaking a 8.0:1 Compression 2V engine in that Cougar.
@@badass6.0powerstroke10 Yes that is what the corvette had I think we had a conversation before the Lt1 and l79 corvettes would Shit on a Boss Mustang also a turd also with 11.3.1 compression almost a 500 lift cam and 3.91 gears never saw one break out of the 15,s stock End of story!
@@darrinjones5951 Boss 351,s were High 13 sec cars in stock trim, And that's a Fact, that's the Truth, i can't explain it anymore to someone that has no clue, i guess Hot Rod, and Motor Trend had some one off freaks of nature when they were tested going High 13,s all day long.
@@darrinjones5951 That is because the Cougar had a peg leg 2.73 gear in it. I've been in 73 Mustang with a 351 cleve 2 BBL that would do an amazing burnout and smack nice 2nd gear rubber.
Try to put your foot through the floorboard and wait and wait but it stirred some old memories I had a 67 GS 400 and enjoyed it, glad you’re back my guy.
I thought about buying a '74 4 speed vette with a 454 in it for about 5 minutes back in the '90s. A rare moment of lucidity made me consider what the insurance would be on that for a 19 year old Lance Corporal and I didn't do it.
Big mistake. You only live once don't worry after another 4 years of Joe Biden our money will be worthless
It was like watching them in slow motion.
Never thought anyone would race a PACE CAR!
Agreed, its worth quite allot.
I could the starting a race then pulling off.😆
Hey, welcome back! Was kinda surprised neither car broke into the 15's. The Olds 350 was a solid engine with a lot of potential...the W-31 was a beast! Thanks C&Z. 👍😎
G’day from Australia 🇦🇺. Happy to see you back. Great video to start my afternoon off 👍👍
Yeah! Glad to see you back!
Thanks for the great videos!
Thanks for the video 👍 I like them both but got to love them Oldsmobiles
WoW, these cars really were stock.....
Yeah...like "the fluids were changed regularly and that's it" stock
Definitely
Awesome , Thanks C&Z 😊
Finally a race where my old 68 tbird could compete.
My friend had a 68 T Bird with a 429 Thunder Jet .
Cool to see cars like this race, even though you could "time them with a calendar" as my dad would say. Not the fastest cars in the lanes, but a pretty close match.
ha..My dad always said "Time me with a sundial!"
Don't know what's up with the Vette, but the '74 had a two piece rear end, you can see the big seam down the middle from 50 yards. Either that's not a '74 or maybe the owner couldn't find the right year part to replace a damaged one.
Never really understood why Dr. Olds would have made the pace car option available on a Cutlass and not limit it to the 442 only.
That’s because it appears to be a ‘76. Last year for the stingray.
Great to have you back. I would never thought that an Odls would eat a corvette that was awesome 👍🇺🇸
Both are great looking GM cars id be happy to own but the olds is my favorite even though she's a little chunky 😅 Thanks for the video. Awesome as always 👍
Finally!
Wow he’s back!!! Right on crouton!! Great video :)
Liked hearing that 2nd gear chirp om 3rd pass. Very nice
I heard that too, I was impressed.
I think the olds had squirrels living in the mufflers.....
100% legit "the fluids were changed regularly and that's it" stock
Always great to have a new C&Z video waiting in the morning. I was slightly disappointed because the commentary was a bit more "subdued" than normal, but I recognize that our favorite combination of innuendo/toilet humor does take time and effort, so hopefully the next video will attain the high standards we have all come to appreciate from Cars and Zebras. FYI, my 17 year old and I always enjoy when the "Boomer" character shows up griping about how things were "back in my day...". Keep up the good work C&Z!!
Clearly these cars didn’t turn him
On this time. He can’t fake the humor. He needs cars that are equivalent to Milfs, not gilfs, to really get his commentary going.
Olds so Good Looking !
Great looking but I could run faster .
A mid 16 second car...who are they trying to impress with a feeble burnout? Love that Pace Car but what a brick
it is what is nothing more try not be an elitist cunt
Yay 🙌🏻 new vid
Even then in the start of the low powered heavy smog laden era, the L82 was still being underrated. Just look at those low RPM numbers. The L82 with it's slightly higher compression, aprox 9.2 vs. 8.5, higher lift longer duration cam and much better flowing heads could safely turn 6,000 RPM with peak H.P. at 5,600 RPM. True H.P. was 280-300. At the crank of course. Quite good for mid-70's! Build a 350 as close as possible to '74 L82 specs and dyno it! You will see.
Had the same engine in a '74 Z/28. Definitely a quick car, especially for the era. Had headers when I bought it and ran strong. Added an intake and Holley. Fun car, especially after swapping the anti-roll bars with the WS6 T/A bars.
I'm not sure why anyone would waste the time and money to build a 350 to 1974 specs.
'L82' or not, hey were low compression dogs.
@@Turbo4Joe363 still had decent heads and cam. Add some compression, headwork, good dual plane intake, Holley 3310, headers and it will make decent power. But since everything is trending towards the LS motors it doesn't matter now.
Are they at elevation here? The times are SLOW😳
Great to see the Olds run strong. Do we get to see that sweet looking 68 Firebird run?
I do love early 70s Olds but I'm not a drop top guy still a very cool car I do like the corvette 350 4speed really cool. Love you're video's keep them coming. 👊👍
Something here does not make sense because the 1970 Olds Pace Car had to be ordered on the 442 and would be standard with a 455 engine not a 350.
It did not have to be ordered with the 442. As mentioned in the video, both the Cutlass Supreme and 442 were used.
@@CarsAndZebras Ok, but my next question would be how could you order the W-31 on Cutlass Supreme when you could only get it on Cutlass S ???? I'm not giving you a hard time as I love your channel and we have communicated before. Something is fishy about that car.
@@markg7030You could get the W31 on a F 85.
16.2 seems pretty slow for 3.42 rear end on that Olds. I can recall my buddy with a 69 Cutlass 350 2 BBL being able to beat Smog era Vetts no problem, So did my Lemans 350 2BBL. They would also walk any stock 350 - 71 72 Chevl/ Malibu, they were always super slow.
Great video as ALWAYS.
Keep them coming brother!!
Surprising outcome. But Cool. Thanks As Always
I keep saying I have to get out there to see these cars race, it's only a 2.5 hr drive from home. Just amazing the rare cars that show up and race through your videos. For nothing more than bragging rights. I don't even know if there is prize money involved.?!
Awesome!
Still waiting on 72 to 74 cuda race?😮
I’m a Mopar fan I have owned four Challengers one being a 74 but I had a 71 340 in it I also had a 71 r/t with a 440 but the 74 Cuda that you want to see in a race made a very disappointing 150 hp ! If I ever find another 71 340 with the right heads I will build a car around this awesome engine
I agree with some others commenting about this being a 1975 Corvette. The rear urethane bumper is one piece, the Corvette font on that bumper and the interior are all 1975. I have a 1974. They look good and sound good, but I think my VW Jetta handles better, but no style points at all. I would have guessed high 14s or low 15s.
The vette is only a couple hundred lbs lighter and the cutlass has way more power
Always loved hearing that quadrajet moan. 😊
I had a 75 corvette that was good for 18 seconds in a 1/4 mile. I remember getting in a race against a ford aerostar mini van and barely kept up LOL. It was a beautiful car, but was it ever slow
Awww yeah! C&Z 🦓 finally back with another banger of a drag race! Not gonna lie brother, I wasn't expecting one like this at all! Love those early 70's Vettes but that Olds pace car takes the cake for me! Your content is always Gold, glad to see ya back! 👍
I had to go back and check my settings to make sure I wasn't on slow mode. LOL.
The cutlass is the same engine that was in the rallye 350. What I always didn’t get was the 310 hp 350 was the standard 4brl 350 in the cutlass supreme but this pace car and both the rallye have ram air so why not a higher horsepower claim for either?
One slow 74 Corvette, my L48 79 ran 15.60 97MPH in totally stock form.
Yeah, something’s amiss here.
Good lord, I had a 1960 Fiat 1200 that ran 17's at 70+mph.
I looked up hp rating on my '14 Honda CRV with a 2.4 liter 4 cylinder engine after hearing the specs on the base '74 Corvette. 185 for the CRV. 5-speed auto. vs 195 hp on the Corvette. I think I could give a base '74 'Vette a run for their money. Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed the race/video and hope to see more from this channel in the near future. 🍻🍻🍻
Dude....it is still a Honda CRV!
😂
And the Vette was an absolute dog.
@@Turbo4Joe363 I see you missed the point. 🤔🤣🤣🤣
@@travishall67 No I didn't....
Hondas suck.
YOU missed the point by buying one.
😁😁😂😂
@@Turbo4Joe363 hahahaha! You're funny and clever! Not. 🙄
Corvette slower but faster
Slower acceleration, higher top speed
Reaction and spinning plays a big part also
FINALLYYYY
Thats not a 74, it is a 75 with 165hp 350
The 92 Dodge Dakota I had in the 90’s was quicker. V6 5 speed shortbed and standard cab. Ran a quickest of 15.9 at 85 MPH at US 41 Dragway in Indiana. It wasn’t too bad for the time.
I wonder what my 2002 Dodge Dakota will do? All stock. 3.9L V6, 3.55 gears. She's slow
Not bad at all!
I seen guy with 1980 corvette L-82 350. The car itself looked cool, but i when i seen the speedometer, it went to just 85mph!! 😢
Jimmy Carter mandated. Had NOTHING to do with the capabilities of the car. My 79 318 Cordoba does 0-60 in 14 seconds but will still bury the 85MPH speedometer and then some.
this one got me, I was thinking high 14s for both but they're 2 seconds slower. Especially the Olds 350, it has compression, cold air induction along with other favorable specs. I realize they are on the heavy side however... hmmm
Not performance tuned in any way. Probably running stock timing etc...just a stock cruiser.
@@gt-37guy6 I believe it.
Car Life magazine has a average of 5 tested 15.27 for a 1970 rally 350 Olds with a 4 speed and 3:42 gears,they also tested 7 1969 350 auto 3:08 geared ZQ3 vetts and got an average of 16:12. .Other cars tested also proved to be slower then what you may expect.
@@basilcarroll9729 thanks for the detailed info, I believe it now. Probably not the most scientific but my experience with a well tuned 68 Firebird puts a little bias in it for me. It was easy low 14s with a 3.23 open rear. Tuning makes a hell of a difference as does decent exhaust pipes and well dialed Carb and distributor. A 350 Pontiac for reference.
@@wtdonovan Right, driving ability ect: That same magazine tested 6 1970 Firebird 400s automatic and 3:07 gears and got an average et of 14:86.
These things are sick or something. 16 seconds at 82 mph? We had a 2001 Buick Lucerne that could hit that.
Put your camera at the finish line
Is the Corvette driver just not very good? Or is this at a higher elevation? The L-82 with a 4 speed and 3.73 gears should be quicker. I had the same combo in a '74 Z/28. Granted I had headers, Edelbrock RPM Performer and 3310 Holley, but I had no problem smoking C4 Corvettes that allegedly ran mid 14s. But bone stock with a 4 speed in either car should be flirting with 14s.
I thought his times were very consistent. These cars really weren't that quick. My '70 L46 is quicker but even so it barely can do a high 14 ¼
@@charleshubert6751 maybe but could be he was shifting early to be easy on the motor.
@@Scottwax you could be right on that because of the times but the Oldsmobile does indicate he was putting the coals to it with that tire chirp from first to second in the third pass and his trap time was similar. Back in the late 70's and early 80's I had a '72 Gran Torino with a 351C 4Bbl 4 speed, a 'Cuda with a 340 six pak with a 4 speed and I also had a friend with a '66 GTO with a 389 tri-power and 4 speed and they all felt effin' fast but I know they were low to mid 14 cars at best. I think the guy in the Olds gave it all she had and the Corvette I agree should have been a little quicker, especially out of the hole with those gears but I gotta say, their times were consistent so they both seemed really bracketed.
Eddy intake, headers & true dual w/ no cats Vette would be low 14s
@@johnnyboyssite The '74 doesn't have a catalytic converter but definitely it you let it breathe it will definitely wake up
More farts please..😤
Damn. A SLIGHTLY tweaked 90s-00s non supercharged 3800 Regal will do those kinds of numbers (mine did consistent 15.9s, my supercharged one did a second and change better). I'm surprised the Olds is that slow, '70 models were damn near always pretty quick unless it was a grampsmobile 6-cylinder. I'm not at all surprised that it smoked the '74 Vette, though. '74 was a ROUGH year for American V8s.
My stock GTP did 15.0 @ 92 mph with only 900 miles on the odometer. It wasn’t even broken in yet.
Something is amiss here. They’ve got to be at high elevation or something😳
So sloooooowwwwwww….:(
That was a real slug fest
My 74 Duster 2 barrel 318 duster embarrassed a 74 corvette what absolute turds
Not with a 454 and a 4 speed. I had a white '74 with that combo and 4:10 gears and it hauled ass!
That is a 1975 corvette.
I could get out and run faster than these cars.
My dog runs faster
Slow slugs
That was like watching two vegas running on three cylinders!!
I love the body style and looks of the 3rd Gen Stingray but I always hated those plastic front and rear bumpers that even new off the assembly line did not hold their shape properly and any time they sat in the hot sun they looked horrendous, like they were almost 50 years old years old!
That 16 secs for the 1970 pace car is horrible. 1970 was the peak of the horsepower wars. Most serious cars were pushing 400 hp or more and they were drastically underrated for insurance purposes. The contenders of that era 68-70 they could get mid 13's