@@justachickentender385 It really sucks. There are deplorable people on RUclips who still profit off of problematic things they do to this day and are still profiting off of those things, and then you have a person like Jenna who has removed so much of her content and basically cancelled herself. :( I just hope that she is doing okay.
dude when you were like "why would you tell the dog story on the internet" YUP. this is what happens when you're an internet celebrity for like 8+ years. you run out of things to talk about and start saying weird shit
Dear grown-ass adults: 1. Get a therapist if you are at all able 2. Get a group chat, at LEAST one with your actual friends. Love, an adult who doesn't rant to children about her problems
As someone who has spent my childhood basically being my mums therapist who she can vent to and tell all her secrets to, shit really ways you down! It's not healthy
I find it funny that James Charles has thrown around the “I was a kid I was young defense” but when a minor is inappropriately approached by a grown ass woman it’s his fault? Like can someone make this make sense?
I haven't seen anyone thinking it's his fault. I think that if he was an adult, I would think he was partly in the wrong and it would be partly his fault, but he's a minor so it isn't. Just because it isn't his fault though, doesn't mean that it's all Colleen's fault. Colleen shouldn't have overshared with him, but what happened wasn't completely on her.
I think James is struggling to relate BECAUSE “he was a kid he was young defense”. He may have bigger expectations to “suck it up buttercup” as when he was Adam’s age he was already a self made businessman. That obv doesn’t explain his unnecessary tweets, I’m just trying to give a different point of view
Luna Lovegood He was a literal child. At no point was he responsible for Colleen walking her nasty ass to the post office to mail her nasty ass panties. Nice try on that hot take. Gross.
This was the only video on the situation I watched three years ago, and thought it was the popular opinion. Only now, over this past week have I come to find out that people didn't believe poor Adam. Good going, Hannah. You've always been on the right side of history, and I miss you! Hope you're well 💕
I don't really care who ghosted who or whatever. Why has this grown ass woman been talking so much to this child? Especially about her divorce? That's super weird, that's what I'm most concerned about.
@@leighhayward4240 Maybe I read it wrong but when she said "yes I tend to overshare with my fans when i should be talking to my friends or family"(or something to that effect) was her admitting that she inappropriately shared about her divorce etc. with that kid.
@@daniellelopez3342 that's what she said without actually admitting if she did share details with a child. I think she did talk to him about her divorce. 🤷
An important piece of the puzzle about “past content” for me is when people still have the videos public and/or monetized. It’s hard for me to buy an “I’ve grown and it was different then and that’s not me” type apology when the videos in question were still up 2 hours prior to the apology. I’m not an influencer, but I’ve deleted old pictures on my instagram when I feel they aren’t something I want to represent me anymore. ??
Courtney S I never thought of that! I have done the same thing. My earlier years in college I partied so much and once I woke up and got sober I was like omg why was I sooo embarassing ****delete****😂
@@smokey_glow She also posted it on her second channel, which seemed very weird for me. Why post there, where she has around 6mil less followers than her main? Those followers are likely to be a lot more dedicated to the whole clan, so they're more willing to believe her story and accept that she didn't address some of the worst claims.
When colleen made those racist videos, it was the trend in comedy to be as offensive as possible, everyone who thought they were a "comedian" was saying horrible things. I remember that and I'm glad its over.
Honestly! I wish people would see that’s how it was back then. And it was horrible, but everyone was doing it. It’s better now and she’s learned. People need leave her be.
I agree, during that time I remember that was how a majority of the comedic younger skits were to be as “edgy” and “offensive” as possible. Especially with comedic skits such as trends about racial and gender groups like “white people be like” videos where some were imitating racial stereotypes. While it’s understandable, to a degree, I feel like it for those creators who are still on RUclips today that made that type of content, like Coleen, should have apologized it once they realized that what they did was offensive. Instead of having people make an apology because they were essentially forced to by the public. Especially since if the videos are still up.
I can’t, as a 20 year old, imagine messaging and talking about personal things like a divorce, to a 14 years old. I just find that very odd that anyone would want to do that.
Dude, her apology was pretty decent but I really question her restraint and boundaries. She didn’t even have second thoughts about all of her interactions with that minor. Idk, I’ve never watched her stuff but I don’t think I ever will now just because she seems like a loose cannon. I hope she learns from this and instills personal boundaries between her and her fan base.
The thing is in the clip where she was thinking of sending the lingerie to the teen she was joking about how potentially messed up it was. How the mom might get upset at the questionable behavior. She laughed about it because it was true, which showed just how aware she really was. She knew to an extent that the relationship was inappropriate but she continued to use and reward the boy for her advantage. She used the power she held in the relationship in very disturbing ways, and pretended that she wasn't aware of it. She's a grown adult, she had to have been at least to some degree.
The Book Night Yikes, I must’ve missed that when I watched it, that’s even more bothersome. 😔 that poor kid, I hope this blows over so he can have a relatively normal life.
The thing is though her parents were monitoring him and didn't do anything about the fact that she was over sharing? And if the parents weren't paying attention who's fault is it then? Also the parents also allowed him to go meet her and talk to her. The parents even said they love her.
This!! I'm a fan of her but I can definitely understand this. Ranting about things can be a really good coping mechanism, but maybe she can start ranting as if it was a video and then post it privately or send it to her therapist. I also think that other than the harm to other people, she's starting to hurt herself because very often she says she's happy that other people relate to her and enjoys opening up the conversation. It's starting to feel like that's why she is posting most of these rants. Have a great day!
@@mo.onstar Still Colleen's fault. Claiming that the blame magically shifts because another person didn't catch the depravity is an insane take. Ultimately, none of this would have happened if Colleen didn't choose to exploit child fans the way she did.
Shes an adult. Hes a kid. Still currently a minor. That is not okay, and let say he did lie (not saying he is) she should not be bringing attention to this, james charles should not have commented on it, and she should have told her fans to back off.
The only reason she made the video was because she was getting so much hate for not addressing it. James Charles should have stayed out of this, I agree, but Colleen did what she needed to do here.
He did lie. But he's also in a drama channel, so ofc drama channels gonna side with him. Pathetic. And his 'mother' (except it was him) asking her not to mention him knowing he was gonna release that video, was clearly to get everyone believing his lies. Some of you are so naive. Anyone who knows enough and cares about Colleen would never ask him to off himself. I only got to know about this mess thanks to his video. Don't put the blame on Colleen, she's defending herself. I wish she sued him for character defamation but she's way too kind. I hope she changes her mind though! This should end.
Miranda’s channel gives me the same kind of confusion that lele pons does . Like so many of the jokes aren’t for kids & are kinda inappropriate for children yet no teen/adult would watch them either. Also they use situations in their sketches that are supposed to be relatable to kids (like middle school/high school) so like WHO are they trying to target??
@@versaitzi817 yeah it's like they're trying to be serious like yeah Im a professional film maker, but then also want to appeal to kids as they don't have to put effort in to do that
The whole “I have a present for you, you’re gonna be my unpaid intern” text to a 13 year old kid REEKS of mind games and manipulation. I think Colleen is really smart and crafted a perfect story but it’s just not adding up. I really don’t think she’s a good person.
El Oh, Exactly! I’m on the legal field ( not employment law) and I cannot think of a single reason to defend her. She hired a child to do free work for her for yearrrs, instead of paying a marketing company, and then to manipulate him into continuing the work, she mentioned it could be an internship. Whether he was paid or not, it’s an employer/employee relationship and she’s in the wrong. She manipulated him, she ratified his actions, she’s culpable.
@@coloradofanco he only controlled her account for one day, not years. I'm not defending anyone, but many people are confused, thinking it had been going on for awhile.
I feel like this situation is a massive power play. Like if someone you idolised said they wanted you to work for them so many people would say yes. This whole situation leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Talking about your divorce to some one who isn’t an adult yet is awful and is most likely going to cause trauma. Therapists exist for a reason! As well by hiring fans and people to run part of the business it takes the responsibility off her. As someone who has done lots of safeguarding training this whole situation rings alarm bells talking to children about adult problems is awful and is going to cause so many issues when they’re older.
Emma Watson Does anyone actually know what Colleen said about her divorce to him? It’s so easy to jump to conclusion saying “oh, that could be traumatising to such a young boy” when we don’t even know exactly what was said. Hell, we don’t even have any evidence that she did do that and even if she did, context matters a lot. Regarding the hiring issue, from what I saw from their setup, there was no way he was going to get the blame for it anyway. Miranda’s account was making those tweets. Unless Colleen publicly says someone was posting the tweet for her without her control, then the blame will be on her. She was responsible for letting someone use her account and because she has to approve them first before he can post them, she will ultimately get he blame for it. She clearly addressed this in her video. I found it sad that even with her good intention of hiring a boy (which let’s admit, she didn’t have to pay him. Everyone would jump at the opportunity to be part of Miranda especially her fans), it turned her into this evil villain in everyone’s eyes.
I’m pretty sure he can handle it... there are children who are mentally abused, and everyone is treating the “she told me about her divorce” situation like the end of the world.
@@Whatdafaccio then again, even though it isnt as terrible as being abused, im pretty sure that it could affect minors because a whole lot of weight is sort of being put on their shoulders.. idk, this is just my opinion:)
Alekse Alijosius exactly, and this is coming from someone who this *child* idolizes, making the impact more severe. And whether this happened or not, it is strange and inappropriate to have “friendships” with minors, not mentorships, when you’re 30 and you also hire them to work for you. Also just my opinion lol
I’m so surprised that the controversy surrounding Colleen is the fact that she chatted with a minor about her divorce and not the fact that she creates videos where she literally plays a caricature of a vulnerable adult... ☕️☕️☕️ I work with adults with intellectual disabilities and the Miranda Sings character has just never sat right with me 😬
I’ve been looking for this comment! I was never sure if Miranda Sings was meant to be a disabled adult or a disabled child, some people would say she was like 9? I didn’t watch so I don’t know, but the point was she made herself famous making fun of a disabled person... how is that okay?
ALSO she puts extremely inappropriate content in her videos and her netflix show! Her netflix show is in the kids section and features jokes about molestation, incest, and porn. Her youtube features similar content. And, yes, her character is rooted in making fun of people with disabilities. How is it funny to make fun of vulnerable people? It wasn't funny in the 2000s and its not funny now. Kids see this and think its okay to mock people that have disabilities. Her netflix show definitely led to a couple of kids asking their parents what porn was, from the reviews. Why is it so difficult to produce child friendly content that doesnt include discriminatory humor and sexual innuendos?
When the Miranda Sings character began she was pretty much just an annoying, slightly narcissistic adult - the kind of person you might regularly encounter in a choir or music program. They think they're amazing when they're not. I think Colleen based the character off of her real personal experiences and there was zero implication of intellectual disabilities of any kind. A lot of it was inside jokes for people who are more into music. Since then, the character has become more exaggerated and child-oriented to the point that it is almost unrecognizable.
Being 3 years old isn't the issue, but joking about it on the internet like it's not big deal is a HUGE deal. If everything else doesn't show you her character, that should.
theres also a video of her closing up on a flattened cat in the street that was run over and laughing about it with her friend. that as well as laughing about the fact that she caused her dog to get killed makes her irredeemable in my eyes
@Erica Esther Coping with what? The fact she got an animal killed? Sounds a bit belittling to use a rape victim talking point to justify animal abuse. Also I don't know about anyone else, but it's a bit weird Colleen claims she remembers this when she was three, and yet most children replace their memories and have little long term memory until the age of 7. Like I was involved in a car accident, I have no recollection of that car accident from when I was 3 or 4. Seems a bit suspect someone would remember so vividly lying to their parents to get their dog put down after abusing it. Regardless, none of this is actually what the issue is. It's her pattern of laughing at animal abuse and then monetizing it, and now hiding behind a shield of "i neEd ToCoPE wITh my SHITTY bEhAvIouR let me laugh at animal suffering in peace!"
Carcinogen I have to disagree. I moved states when I was 5 and I have many memories that happened in my old neighborhood. I also very accurately remember all my birthdays since the age of 2. Also I’m not sure what you mean when you say she lied to her parents and abused the dog. In the video she said the dog bit her and the hospital told her family the dog had to be put down. She says she felt very guilty about it as a child.
she literally lied. The pet was deemed dangerous because she either lied outright (It just bit me!) or she lied implicitly (The dog bit me) Again, none of this is the actual issue. She is a millionaire with usually very good PR. People are being manipulated by this woman into thinking she feels guilty when there is video evidence that she thinks it's funny when a cat gets run over.
As someone who was used as a "free therapist" and "a person who you can vent to" by a teacher through middle school (I am having my classes separated from other students because of health problems, so it was always just me and the teacher), I know that the pressure is REAL. I have only now (in high school) realized how wrong and unprofessional it was of my teacher to do that. Never vent to kids, never.
just because you’ve “watched her for years and don’t believe she would do that” doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I’m sorry but you can’t argue with facts. she admitted to sending him underwear. she admitted to hiring him as a minor while knowing the power imbalance. she admitted to talking to him often and having a relationship with him. there’s videos that prove she said certain things. the fact that people are still defending her based on a hunch that “she just wouldn’t do that” is beyond me. AND the fact that people are commenting under this video saying they don’t believe she would do that after Hannah went over parasocial relationships is insane!!! just because you watch someone on youtube doesn’t mean you know them. you don’t know them!! i’m sorry but you don’t
@Sir, I'm Amy Santiago and I have something to say seriously! That's the most absurd excuse for inappropriate behavior with a minor. Children could ask for anything in the world - that doesn't just mean you do it as a grown woman in her 30's. If a man in his 30's sent a 13 year old girl lingerie or underwear, the excuse of "she asked for it" wouldn't fly in the slightest.
@@faerittarius That's a really disgusting thing to say. If a grown man sent a middle school girl his underwear because sHe BeGgEd FoR iT, he would be cancelled and under investigation before the week was up. Sure, I don't think Colleen is a groomer. I don't think there was ill intent here necessarily. But I think she's beyond immature and doesn't understand what is appropriate for children or not and she absolutely did not think about the repercussions of her actions. But its a clear pattern of behavior. Her content on youtube AND her netflix kids show is full of incest, sex, porn, rape, and molestation jokes, when her target audience is young kids. This has been going on for over a decade with no change She didn't PROPERLY hire him as a minor. Don't act like you're some expert in employment law when she admitted to using him for content on a conditional basis without pay. Never mind the fact that she didn't just like, approve, and use his content, she made her OWN content based on it, then threw him under the bus when she got backlash. "people are defending her based on bias" YES. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence that she's acting and creating content that is inappropriate for young audiences, and angry little children like you are coming out of the woodwork to make comparisons attempting to defend her disgusting actions, that aren't even logical or based in fact. Of course there's concrete evidence to support the kid, why do you think people are so upset? Jesus christ, you could at least look at the evidence first before being such an asshole about it. You're acting like she's done nothing wrong ever. twitter.com/DarkBallet20 has a lot of evidence to support adams claims, as well as evidence of her behavior pattern. There has been NO growth or change, she's just upset she got called out for once.
@@Sasha-gd7se "She's just upset she got called out for once" - Actually literally everybody else BUT Colleen is upset, she's probably the only person who ironically handled this in a mature and anti-cancel culture fashion, Im inclined to believe that she probably won't make the same mistake twice.
At one point in the dms he showed Colleen had said “everyone’s so sensitive” and she’s said iterations of that over the years so I feel like she doesn’t actually care, she only cares when she gets caught! She calls herself the biggest ally for the lgbtq+ community but it has never felt genuine to me and just for show. People have been talking about how shady she is since the divorce it’s just under the radar. This just feels like the last straw
Yes! Before this stuff happened she was constantly reiterating the fact that everyone is so sensitive now and that just never sat well with me. Also her friends are all very problematic, I feel like maybe Joey Graceffa is the only okay one. Keeping people like Trisha Paytas, Todrick Hall (who recently got outed for not paying his dancers), and Gabbie Hanna in your circle is a reflection of the kind of person she is and I dont think we can just throw that away.
I didn't see one negative comment on her apology video. Everyone was praising her, and putting down the kid who spoke out. It was a bit creepy to see that none of her viewers saw anything wrong with this situation. Colleen has always been offensive, it's just that no one outside her stans knew that.
Someone posted a list of all words she has filtered out on Twitter. That's why it seems all positive. She has to protect her image over every else of course.
This video has aged well and I’m happy you believed Adam even when it was popular not to. I hope you make another video covering this because the situation blew up again with more evidence, and it would be nice to see it get more coverage.
The dog thing is honestly really sad and being a naive 3 year old who made a mistake is OBVIOUSLY not her fault but making it into a joke as an adult is really gross and disappointing 😔
theres also a video of her closing up on a flattened cat in the street that was run over and laughing about it with her friend. that as well as laughing about the fact that she caused her dog to get killed makes her irredeemable in my eyes
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I only started watching her when she was pregnant. I had no idea of all of these previous scandals. It's crazy to me how many big youtubers are actually highly problematic.
same! I found her thread on gurugossip when i started watching her while she was pregnant and HOO BOY they knew! colleen's fans also brigaded her ex husband after the divorce telling him to kill himself and all that and even though she spouts off about positivity and kindness and whatever, she didn't stop them. He's also alluded to her doing something horrible to him that led to the split; they had dated for years and then split suddenly after less than a year of marriage. people speculate that she cheated on him with her current husband, because while she was still married she posted pictures on a work trip/vacation with the guy she ended up marrying later. no idea what's true, but it definitely had me looking at her differently. Now this??
@@Sasha-gd7se I doubt it was cheating, Colleen was probably posting stuff with her and her current husband ( Erik Stocklin) because they were both in her tv show together so they new each other beforehand.
i hate how non-hispanic fans are accepting her apology for the racist stuff. that apology wasn’t even meant for them. also, i hate how people tell hispanics to get over it because it was 14 years ago. it’s as if some people aren’t allowed to feel offended.
Smiya Coron exactly, when shane dawson apologized i saw nothing but non black folk forgiving him. i’m so glad we can at least recognize the whole “it’s not your apology to accept if u didn’t feel the pain and hurt” now. there were SO many people saying this ab the emmuhlu situation, but when it comes to colleen it’s crickets? i also feel like it’s because her stans are so young so they don’t understand this. i got attacked by so many of them and i’m glad i can finally express my opinion and not get attacked for once.
i know!! even some hispanic fans are going 'well i wasn't offended by it'. i think this video addressed it correctly. it was, by all means, offensive, whether someone was personally offended by it or not. also 14 years isn't that long ago. it was 2006 and she was an adult at the time. people act like people learned racism wasn't okay two or three years ago.
bubleous exactly. they act like they’re speaking for every hispanic. then they attack the people who were offended and they say “you’re just sensitive.” people don’t recognize that SOCIETY has grown and will call out people being racist. back in 2006, cancel culture (which is very toxic) wasn’t a thing. just because humor was different back then doesn’t mean it’s okay.
there are kids who are paid by Microsoft to test their video games, and by the time from what i understand it, with this Miranda stuff, he was 16 or 17, plenty of kids that age take internships, hell i have worked on movies in LA where our interns were kids of the crew, and the hired staff. So people saying hiring her fans is not appropriate, thats wrong, she died cross the line on the personal aspects of it, but since we are only getting parts and pieces of these events from all sides we can't hate on either of them, except for the parents who should have spoken with her and not let things go through their son. the parents should have talked with her and met with her on all things with her. so its not fully Adam, or Colleens fault, but i will say this 16 or 17 year olds can and do lie its part of being a kid, and just cause of his age doesn't mean he can't be in the wrong just as much as Colleen is. its not black or white, there are lines that were lured, and if the moon told her not to talk about him, then her not talking about it till now, was the smart thing and respectful thing she was doing. And its the fans and the you tubers here that pushed her to talk about it and bring light to it, after she was asked to not talk about it. even though her son did and edited and redid his videos, so since nothing shown or used on line is ever pull open people don't know what was real and what was this kid trying to get famous or spin things in his best light to save is own channel.
no she doesn’t actually she legally hires them through her company and pays them just as she would someone else in their work position. Not defending her just saying that you are technically incorrect in saying that.
I feel so bad for the minor involved. It is never a minor’s fault in any situation with an adult. She should’ve known better. It’s disgusting that he is getting so much hate for this and I hope he is okay. Edit: I also just find it sketchy for an adult to talk to a minor that they don’t know from family or something like that. It’s just weird to talk to a minor online in general to me. It’s obviously worse considering how personal she got. I’m not trying to accuse her of anything. It’s just irresponsible of her.
The apology was good by standards, but i do wonder if the genders were reverse how different would the story be. I also noticed that she chose not to mention the joke about the, "horny teenage girl" and technically lied about taking ownership for the, "i'm coming out tweet" when Adam showed proof that she was practically blaming him for the tweet. I wish them all the best, and hopefully colleen grows up from this experience. Ps: I forgot to mentioned that she actually doesn't seem to see anything wrong with befriending and giving jobs to her underage fans, and that's to me troublesome because fans idolize you, and children tempt to be unpredictable humans due to many psychological and biological reasoning. Why do you think there are so many rules and regulations on age restrictions? When you built a relationship (specially a business relationship) with a fan and a minor you are creating a recipe for disaster.
I am 19. Friendship between adults and minors is extremely possible and okay in *my opinion* if handled properly. I was friends with my teacher all through high school. She was the advisor to the club I ran so I was in her room all the time (4/7 hours a day by the end of my senior year). We had conversations as friends. I worked for and with her planning large events as an under the table consultant and employee. I learned intimate details about her personal life (when her ex and her kid's dad was in the hospital and not doing well as well as how the kids were feeling and reacting for example). I helped her pick her dog out. I helped her write an essay to go back to college. I ate dinner at her house and after(!!!!!) graduation she let me sleep in her house as opposed to a tent in the rain despite my insistence that I would be fine in the tent or that I could just drive home. I was a minor during the majority of this and I knew the lines between what was said to a student, a friend, an employee, and a coworker. The issue in my opinion lies within the fan/idol dynamic if that. The real issue is a parasocial relationship. At his age, people are able to and SHOULD know the difference between dynamics. His parents should have stepped in at any point in this if they felt uncomfortable but they didn't. Colleen did wrong in this situation, yes, but I personally do not feel that she knowingly and with intent manipulated and abused this kid. He unfortunately wasn't able to draw the lines in this situation and he got hurt. That does not give him the right to go after her career. This is something that is going to follow him now and he was the one to put himself in that situation. He made the choice to go public and seemingly warp the truth because he was hurt. He put himself in the drama of it all now and I just wish him the best in navigating it.
@@oriongood3109 he was 13 I don't believe he had any responsibility in "drawing the lines" that is why it is below age of consent because the law agrees they are vulnerable. Collen however was 30 and absolutely should have known this fan, idolatry relationship with a child gave her all the power and was inappropriate at best. She used him to check on drama about her divorce. What normal 30 year old does that to a "superfan" who had made multiple fan accounts. That's wildly out of line and disturbing. A face to face friendship with a teacher is one thing, an online relationship with a fan based on using them for whatever they want is just wrong.
Shyla Good, while I’m glad you were fine, I’m studying teaching and it’s been made extremely clear that that sort of thing is absolutely not okay. Telling students specifics about stressful things you’re dealing with can place unnecessary stress on them, and you should NEVER have viewed your relationship with the teacher a friendship (being friendly with students is fine; being friends is inappropriate). Things like having you help pick out the dog, telling you personal stories, letting you view her as a friend, and inviting you to her house all cross professional boundaries and could be considered grooming behaviours. Many students in your position might not have felt comfortable saying no to the request to help with the essay or to work for her or even just to listen to her personal struggles; all of these can put unnecessary pressure on students, who should be building connections with their actual peers and focussing on their own studies rather than their teacher’s studies. Your teacher probably could’ve been fired for those behaviours. You’re usually not even allowed to accept a student’s friend request on Facebook unless maybe they graduated from school years ago, yet alone invite someone to sleep over at your house. Maybe that teacher didn’t try anything with you, but others would’ve. There’s a reason schools require teachers to maintain professional boundaries with students.
The only reason you would hire a fan is to have major power over them. Minor or not. This is honestly disgusting imagine needing your ego to be stroked that badly. Also sending anyone you don't know especially a minor lingerie is a big no. Anyone can see why you just don't do. Common law of the land we don't mess with minors it's always a tricky situation.
I love coming here to see how many of us acknowledged colleen was a problem back then. Love smokey glow so much we need her so much. Shes the light in the darkness of these youtube streets.
Inês Baptista She threw a sarcastic joke in at the end of the story. She wasn’t going around making constant jokes about it and talking about it like it didn’t matter. She was also THREE YEARS OLD at the time of the actual incident. Some people (particularly her) use humor to add levity to painful or negative stories and situations. I know I do. I feel like people just do NOT know how to understand humor or sarcasm these days, geez.
I think it was probably a traumatising experience, in the apology she said it was upsetting for her when it happened, I’m guessing she was trying to make a joke and it was funny to her since she went through it but to others it wasn’t funny.
@@cradio52 I use humor all the time. But I don't think that a dead dog is hilarious. Idk, maybe I'm the weird one. You are talking about this like this was the one time she thought animals suffering is funny. And literally no one is blaming 3 year old Colleen, lmao.
@Slut4jesus 69 i saw that too and it shocked me even more... it was almost unbelievable that someone thought it was funny doing it, editing it, posting it.
I feel like she hides behind Miranda at points. Miranda is supposed to be a ridiculous character and not to be taken seriously, so knowing that I thing Colleen uses Miranda to hide behind shitty things she says. It doesn't matter that it was "Miranda" that referred to Native Americans as pets in a Thanksgiving sketch. That's straight up heavily implying that that whole group of people are less than. That they are sub human and therefore don't matter. Not to mention it completely belittles their suffering. And Miranda saying it doesn't make it an okay joke.
thank you! i've seen so many tweets replying to her videos talking about her obviously offensive sketch she and her sister did towards mexican people, but very few people are talking about the racism towards native americans. i feel like racism towards native americans is often brushed under the rug, so i'm glad to see other people are calling that out.
when i was little i watched her but i was confused cause some jokes went completely over my head. like i genuinely have no idea what her audience is supposed to be.
Ok, the thing that bothers me the most is that she shared private things about her divorce. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about my parents divorce.
Yeah same here... my parents didn’t tell me anything about their divorce until I was an adult because they didn’t want to turn me against the other parent. It’s very strange that she thought it was a good idea to share those things with a stranger, let alone a minor.
This whole thing was weird. I was thirteen back when oj was guilty and Nancy Kerrigan was hit with a baton and Alanis and Jewel put out their whole albums. To think that someone in their thirties like me would even entertain a middle schooler is absurd. I was thirteen eons ago and I would never in my mind talk to a child that age I was not a parent of or not babysitting. This girl is crazy.
Ive always felt uncomfortable by Miranda sings and I could never figure out why. Like it just felt wrong. I originally thought she was making fun of people who are disabled.
It's the issue with discussing the animals that makes me wary of her. Not just the dog. She was a baby. The story of her volunteering herself to help someone find their cat, came across a run-over kitten, and videotaped herself and another person mocking it. That's seriously messed up.
ALSO if you properly interview and vet candidates, a "trial run" should not even be a step in the hiring process. just sounds like she was trying to exploit fans for their unpaid work
Actually, a lot of places that do internships or service jobs from where I live do that very thing. There's a trial run for restaurant workers for example, wherein the first couple of weeks they get their hourly pay but not tips. People tend to come and go pretty quickly in those positions. Also, it may be because he was so young and it was rather informal that Colleen instated the trial period not only for her sake but for his. Some kids might think they want to do the work and then realise they don't pretty quickly so it provided a low-risk for both parties. Again, these are just other perspectives, I'm not saying at all that that's what happened but I don't think it's as simple as you're portraying it.
Colleen still hadn’t addressed the issue at the time that I made my video about her needing to apologize to Adam and I still stand by everything I said. She was still the adult in the situation - period.
noeliadcc LITERALLY ! ppl are so quick to jump sides without looking at the big picture and seeing that it’s not about sides.. it’s about what’s simply right and wrong for an ADULT to do 😒
@@amandao3354 agreed but i felt like she explained that part, which is the bigger picture, well about how shes an adult and its totally a bad situation. i guess thats just me.
-rosé’s floor - I mean, my biggest problem with the situation was her talking to adam (13 at the time) about her divorce as a 29 year old, so no, she didn’t really address that :/ (like Hannah mentioned in this vid)
the issue with the dog story is that as a grown woman she joked about being a dog murderer and flaunted getting the dog put down. this is in a video thats monetized right now on her channel. same with the clip of her laughing at a dead kitten its still up on her channel. being monetized. and shes not doing anything about it.
My thing is....she was an ADULT when she said that....and has done/said iffy things several times... but I never watched her anyway so it doesn’t affect me LOL
I don't know what her intentions were when she sent him the underwear and over shared about her personal life. What I will say is that if she were a 30 something year old man sending a 13 year old girl underwear the narrative would be vastly different. If she were a 30 something year old man over sharing about his personal life to a 13 year old girl, I highly doubt Colleen would be getting the same benefit of the doubt when it came to intention. My point in saying this is that there has to be the same energy when it comes to any adult regardless of gender who manipulates a child. The fact that she felt bold enough to quantify her apology by adding he asked for the underwear tells me that she knows because he's a boy people for the most part are more willing to give her a pass. Because you have some people who think a boy cannot be traumatized in the same way as a girl. This type of ideology is not just woefully misinformed, it's dangerous. It's one of the main reasons boys/men don't come forward when they have been manipulated in this way. And that causes damage. I mean look at the hate this kid is getting for coming forward with this. How adults, including James Charles who has millions of followers have come for this kid.
I personally don’t care about the underwear- we can take that out of the equation. Don’t foster friendships with young people/fans in that way. I don’t know how to explain this- no it’s not s*xual predatory but it’s unhealthy and crosses lines, messes with their concepts of boundaries. Then the way she blamed him for the backlash- you can’t mess with a kids emotions like that
and one other thing i feel like we should be mentioning is the fact that she was so adamant on the “it was a big joke” when referring to sending the underwear. the comment sort of made it seem like everyone else who was hearing about the situation now could never understand because we weren’t a part of the “jOkE” when to me a really good joke doesn’t need to be explained or defended because it’s not inappropriate. and i COMPLETELY agree with your point on the whole hiring a fan thing. she made it seem like she was giving to the poor by having a high schooler go through her social media or make merchandise. there are ADULTS in the business she should be utilizing
Yes I completely agree with you. One thing I realized reading that is people try to excuse sexual assualt by saying it's a joke. I remember there was this one RUclips salt or something, I don't know I just remember Jessi smiles talking about it. Who would go around and slap random women's butts while filming it and calling it a prank. I really don't get how people excuse and just accept 'humor' as a reason to get away with bad & disrespectful behavior.
I respectfully disagree. How happy would you be if your favorite influencer responded to you. It would make your day, it who’d make your year, it would bring you so much joy. Getting the opportunity to help your favorite influencer and see that content on her platform would be a dream come true for me. Colleen is trying her best to make her fan community a place where dreams come true. She apologized for EVERYTHING and the only things about the apology that are being highlighted are all the parts that are seemingly her trying to defend herself when in reality it’s just her providing context on the situation. You’re twisting her words and making her look bad when in actuality she is probably one of the best damn humans in the world rn
@@alicelee7502 I don't think what colleen did by sending him the underwear was sexual assault. I'm a victim of sexual assault myself and I believe her on the reason she sent them, there were no bad intentions, they were only worn over clothes, as far as we know at least. I think it was still extremely inappropriate considering his age and the item itself, but I think calling it sexual assault may be a little bit of a stretch. I do want to make it clear real quick though, that I was sexually assaulted by a girl, I myself am a girl and so I don't think that being a girl exempts you from being the one to sexually assault another individual. I think Colleen saw it as a joke and didn't really think too much about it. I think she is being sincere, esspecially now that she has her own child and can now understand better why it was wrong. It doesn't excuse her for everything else though. Also I'm totally open for discussion because my opinions aren't set in stone so don't take this as an attack or anything please.
Im so glad your making a video on this cause I know you will come from a rational and caring perspective Ive seen so many drama channels flipping sides, fueling the drama, taking the parts of her apology about the boy out of context and saying she is "exposing" him,
She started with a lie-in CA, where she grew up, it’s not a LAW when a dog bites it has to be put down, per an ER doc. It’s simply not true. So after that I was done.
Yes in California a dog only has to be put down if the victim of the attack presses charges against the owner of the dog and a judge determines that the charges are fair. That dog didn’t have to die
theres also a video of her closing up on a flattened cat in the street that was run over and laughing about it with her friend. that as well as laughing about the fact that she caused her dog to get killed makes her irredeemable in my eyes
Depends on how many times the dog had bitten someone that was reported. In my state, if your dog has two reported bites, they must be put down. Not defending this girl because I'd never heard of her prior to this video, just contributing to the conversation.
Here is the thing, racism has never been ok. It has always been something morally bankrupt people do. Don't get me wrong, racism may have been trendy in the past (even on RUclips) but the reality is that racism has never been ok (even if there is a long history of it). That being said you cannot blame not knowing better (as an adult, even a younger adult in their early 20s) because you should have. Own your shit. Own the fact that you chose to not seek out new information and diversity. Own the fact that you chose not to learn to do better. Then apologize for choosing not to do better and for not taking the time to learn better. Colleen honestly comes off as a shitty person who hides behind being sensitive.
Um...what? Colleen owned ALL of her mistakes in the apology. First y’all want her to apologize and then you scrutinize her apology for proving her side of the story. She has created possibly the best apology video of any RUclipsr and you can genuinely tell she’s upset about this whole incident. JUST BECAUSE SHE IS OVER THE AGE OF 18 doesn’t mean she can’t make any mistakes. You’re not perfect, neither is she.
Hey it's Me no one ever can really know right from wrong! It depends on their perspective in the moment right then and there and the impulse decisions that you make in the moment. Sometimes people, no matter what the age, get caught up during the heat of the moment and decide to make impulsive decisions. If people over the age of 18 were somehow able to know right from wrong, then why does prison even exist, why do we allow friends, and family members to make mistakes in which we forgive them for. Just because you’re older than 18 doesn’t mean you always make the right decisions in life. If this was the case, then any time any adult made a mistake, it would be inexcusable! The important thing is that you move forward from your mistakes to better yourself and become the best version of yourself.
Hey it's Me I’m not excusing her behavior, I’m forgiving her for it! There’s a difference. As @JackStrait said, “get off the cancel culture bandwagon”!
She did own it though??? In her apology video lol thats literally what she said. Everyone has been jumping to all sorts of conclusions without even watching her video.
The “trial run” thing reminds me so much of how Gabbie Hanna’s video editor is a 17 yo fan, who, thanks to certain clips Gabbie has filmed, has seen inappropriate stuff of Gabbie, and I feel like no one talks about that enough
Can we talk about the fact that she was hiring this kid to pose as her, as Miranda. Like what???!! So basically the fans who thought they were interacting with Miranda were in fact speaking with this kid. I mean talk about being a fraud. If I was one of those fans then I would be crushed. Quiet frankly if Miranda is dying off then just retire her, don’t have someone else pose as her just to keep making whatever little money off of her. If that’s the case then Miranda “Colleen” is an imposter. Just sad.
Looking back on this 2 years later it still gives me a weird feeling. If a grown man were to hire teenage girls or send them underwear, he would be completely demolished. I feel as though an apology is not enough and it makes me livid that she put a child through all the hate. It scares me that she still has a platform. She’s always given me a weird feeling and still does to this day. It’s not cute to want to be in contact with child all the time when there are adults that are more qualified to do the same job. Anyway, you did an amazing job on this video. I’ve watched it like 3 times😂
I'm all for hating the family vlogs. Not saying they're all bad people. I just think it's so gross. And when does "work" end? I just can't get with it.
Just as a heads up, "no skin off my back" is a phrase that originated with the flogging of slaves. I know you didn't mean anything by it, but it's something to be aware of.
I definitely like the way she handled the first part of her apology but the second half definitely had a lot of holes in it. She never addressed her bullying the minor behind his back and she really played the victim during the underwear situation.
I feel the same way. The first part was cool but she didn't even acknowledge being friends with the kid for years, even meeting up with him in person more than once. She acted like he was just some random fan who asked her for underwear (which sounds better than admitting it was LINGERIE) and then she just randomly trusted him with her Twitter account years later. And she never acknowledged the fact that she blamed him while her close friend and her fans were bullying him.
I could go on and on about the things she missed in her apology but I LOVE how you brought up her interactions and relationships with young fans. In her apology she mentions how she loves messaging her fans and interacting with them and how she sees all of her fans as friends, BIG NO NO. Personally I believe that influencers should not be messaging fans who are under the age of 18 and should only interact with them at meet and greets and shows. This is because even though a child may think they know the influencer through videos, they really don't and in fact the influencer is basically a stranger to this child. I think that parasocial relationships have become more frequent because influencers act like they are friends with their fans and children (in some cases adult) truly believe that they are friends with this influencer and that to me is a problem. Another problem I saw from this entire situation is seeing her young fans interacting with strangers on twitter to defend her, you can see through their comments how young and naive they are and it honestly scares me that there are that many children who are younger than 14 on twitter just freely cursing out and talking to complete grown adult strangers.That isn't colleens or any influencers fault as she can't control those kids having accounts but by interacting with these children she is condoning their behavior and themselves being on twitter. All of this just has hurt my heart and while I don't think colleen is a threat to society or anyone, I just feel like she hasn't handled any of this well. P.S: I was also writing a paper on human trafficking and how common it is on social media with young children so I just have the mind set that young kids on social media isn't safe.
Colleen cannot catch a break with her fans though, when she was in New York working on Broadway they would come up to her and demand that she sign autographs/hugs/photos almost and HOUR after her show had finished. Stage door security is a big issue these days. But she literally can't do anything right- she gets slammed if she ignores them she gets slammed if she does!! I personally do think that she should not have engaged in this sort of online relationship with him but she did handle the apology and his privacy very maturely... Unlike literally everyone else on the internet atm showing his face etc (I definitely do not blame him for this).
César Charles It’s not that I’m “soft.” It’s the very implication that she didn’t even address it, because she has no way to justify it. She titled the video “addressing everything” but didn’t touch some of the biggest things against her. The hypocrisy from that makes me question if she really changed/meant it at all.
Colleen has said A LOT in past videos that she uses RUclips as a form of therapy. It also seems like she actually started going to therapy after/during her pregnancy (as she got diagnosed with OCD, and that doesn’t happen if you haven’t gone to therapy) so hopefully it will put up more barriers for her between her audience as she has a professional to vent to now. Overall, my biggest problem with Colleen has been that she doesn’t seem to know about boundaries. I hope this scandal has made her realize that and put up more boundaries. Idk, I want to believe she has changed as her whole family seems to be so accepting of everyone no matter what and it would be strange to me if Colleen is the only outlier in that. Idk, I’ll definetly be more cautious going forward watching her videos,
Wow! Super weird watching this now... seems like you were the only one back then with a sensible head on. Hope you're working on a new video on all the updates. X
I’m glad you brought up how she glossed over the whole “over sharing” issue. All she said was “yeah I see my fans as my friends and I’ve definitely over shared in the past”. And that was it. Like lady...you were a like a 30yo woman talking about personal details of your divorce with a 14 year old kid...how fucking weird is that???
This is why I specifically love watching your videos on these type of things. Your views aren't bias to one party and you really open my eyes to a lot of things Colleen glossed over in her apology.
This is unimportant, but as a person named Colleen who often doesn't meet others with my name, let alone hardly share it with well-known individuals, it was kind of a trip hearing my name so many times in this video! haha
Colleen Hendrick it’s just unfortunate to share a name with her under these circumstances! 😬 but it’s usually fun to meet another Colleen since it doesn’t happen a lot!
I get that it was cute to be edgy back in the day but the fact that there are SO MANY RUclipsRS who aren't edgy from the mid 2000s aka when RUclips and Twitter first appeared shows that ONE you don't need to be edgy and TWO if you are then just own up to it. Jeremy Jahns, Shane Dawson and Philip Defranco are great examples of owning your cringey shit. Then there's Jenna Marbles, jacksfilms, nigahiga who show you DON'T need to be edgy to be funny and gain a following like....ugh. And the fact that she NEVER addressed the rape tweets like whyyyyy wouldn't you address that? To JOKINGLY say "everyone go rape so and so"....That's gross, never funny, not cute.
And to add to what Dianna said, Jenna has said that she's been problematic in the past and she wouldn't say stuff she would say before - she even gave an example with the word "gay", like people would say "that's so gay" but now that they know better they don't.
One thing I keep seeing was "where was his parents?" ....it seems like they were somewhat keeping tabs on things, you can't control or monitor what your kid does 24/7, and what parent wants to crush their child's dream. They seem to have tried navigating this fairly well for something that's a new territory for us as a society. I've never gotten the appeal of "Miranda sings" she says it's based upon people who try too hard but don't have the talent to back it up. Then why isn't Miranda perfectly gorgeous, with unwaivering confidence but instead Miranda dresses oddly, talks with an odd accent and has a hard time reading the room. Miranda always came across, to me, as maybe a mentally challenged person or some who who would be lower on the autistim spectrum. (I don't mean this in a offending way) the character came across as making fun of someone who mentally had trouble with things. No matter what colleen was an adult talking to a minor, who she knew was a big fan, it was wrong. Someone already said it but if she was a man, she would have been condemned for her actions.
It’s bad enough that she said/did those things in the past, but the fact that those videos are still up/monetized is baffling. It shows she really doesn’t feel bad about what she did. Also, privately messaging a minor? I’m not saying she’s a groomer, but any normal adult would realize how wildly inappropriate that is.
I love how her apology is apparently enough, but if the genders were swapped there would be no coming back from this. You can do good and do harm. This relationship was inappropriate- period.
I saw a Jojo Siwa tik tok with Colleen saying she’s her bestfriend. That kinda weirds me out. she’s over 30 years old, I understand that her fan base and Jojo’s are kids but She has such a strange relationship with minors... It gives me the creeps
Ok but he was 14, he was old enough to be on RUclips. Colleen shouldn't have done what she did but people 13+ will continue to use social media because they are teens, we just need more laws to protect them and for grown ass celebrities to stop befriending them
@Erica Joy It's really not surprising, given that her brother had (has?) a family channel that grew in part from her Miranda Sings fame/that she promoted and appeared in.
When I first heard about this situation I immediately thought that she was grooming him. If it was a man who did some of these things with girl, people would be calling for his head. As a parent, it raised red flags all over the place. Even with her explanation, as someone who is around her same age it rubs me the wrong way.
You’ve been looking so beautiful lately! Your skin is glowing and your hair is giving me ethereal vibes 🧚🏼♀️ TY for the amazing content during quarantine ❤️❤️
One of my daughters highschool friends friended me on Snapchat and I was so confused. I blocked him so quick. And another one of her friends use to comment on my pictures on Instagram. It wouldn't be anything inappropriate, but I would never respond. Because we're NOT friends. It's weird as hell.
I feel like she really covered herself in a manipulative way like you said, it’s just overall so creepy. Also your whole look while slaying this commentary is everything 💕🙌🏼
I always found i incredibly strange that Colleen shouted so much about being 'friends' with Jojo siwa... Jojo is literally a child. It's a strange pattern to be 'friends' with children as an adult
Great to see smart person reviewing this messy situation and having real and balanced viewpoint. Very good points and advice, Colleen should definitely watch this and seriously reflect her actions.
honestly.. it makes me wonder what other youtubers back in the day were being inappropriate with their fans because I was never rlly into miranda sings/Colleen, but I was an occasional watcher. What's also surprising is that I didn't even know this whole situation had come to light since 2020. It's crazy how Colleen was able to get away with this for so long, and extremely disappointing that so many big RUclipsrs were defending her 3 years ago.. from my perspective Adam was definitely silenced.
Are people actually still hating Colleen after her apology?! Her apology was one of the most sincere and genuine apology I have ever watched. She addressed everything, she didn’t blame anyone but herself, she explained everything, and she didn’t even put ads on her apology. She was very mature and genuine
The only genuine apology video I've seen a RUclipsr make was when Jenna Marbles made a 45 minute video apologizing for buying the wrong fish tank.
I can’t tell if this is a joke or not
People * nope, Jenna marbles is just at that much of a queen level 😂
this hit different now that she quit 😭
@@justachickentender385 It really sucks. There are deplorable people on RUclips who still profit off of problematic things they do to this day and are still profiting off of those things, and then you have a person like Jenna who has removed so much of her content and basically cancelled herself. :( I just hope that she is doing okay.
and pewdiepie's when he ended the battle with t series+ his n word apology (assuming he made one)
dude when you were like "why would you tell the dog story on the internet" YUP. this is what happens when you're an internet celebrity for like 8+ years. you run out of things to talk about and start saying weird shit
Literally the only og youtubers who are still wholesome are Ryan Higa and Queen Jenna Marbles
Yes I came here to comment this exact thing! I agree with it so much- there are just stories you don’t need to tell on the internet!
That was disgusting the dog thing.
She really used him then ghosted him. After years. Whats going on with you tube? Miranda sings is still a thing? Really? No let that crap go COLLEEN
@@marisp2588 Ryan Higa cheats on his so I wouldn't call him wholesome
Dear grown-ass adults:
1. Get a therapist if you are at all able
2. Get a group chat, at LEAST one with your actual friends.
Love,
an adult who doesn't rant to children about her problems
Elizabeth Lorraine Mitchell so true this is an amazing list!
PREACH!
Elizabeth Lorraine Mitchell my fifth grade math teacher cried to me about her divorce and still failed me ❤️❤️
@@maddit4790 HOW DARE SHE
As someone who has spent my childhood basically being my mums therapist who she can vent to and tell all her secrets to, shit really ways you down! It's not healthy
I find it funny that James Charles has thrown around the “I was a kid I was young defense” but when a minor is inappropriately approached by a grown ass woman it’s his fault? Like can someone make this make sense?
I haven't seen anyone thinking it's his fault. I think that if he was an adult, I would think he was partly in the wrong and it would be partly his fault, but he's a minor so it isn't. Just because it isn't his fault though, doesn't mean that it's all Colleen's fault. Colleen shouldn't have overshared with him, but what happened wasn't completely on her.
GorgonGaze absolutely. It’s really upsetting seeing boys getting victimized by women and the women are rarely held accountable:-(
I think James is struggling to relate BECAUSE “he was a kid he was young defense”. He may have bigger expectations to “suck it up buttercup” as when he was Adam’s age he was already a self made businessman. That obv doesn’t explain his unnecessary tweets, I’m just trying to give a different point of view
umm nobody said it's his fault...cause it's not. 🤦♀️🤦♀️
Luna Lovegood He was a literal child. At no point was he responsible for Colleen walking her nasty ass to the post office to mail her nasty ass panties. Nice try on that hot take. Gross.
This was the only video on the situation I watched three years ago, and thought it was the popular opinion. Only now, over this past week have I come to find out that people didn't believe poor Adam.
Good going, Hannah. You've always been on the right side of history, and I miss you! Hope you're well 💕
i can’t stress it enough that if this was a man to a girl child everyone would be 1000% more outraged. this is just not okay and SO weird.
Even I didn't think much of it until someone pointed it out. Women are not any less likely to do something than men
kyla fish so so true. so innapropriate
kyla fish period sister.
You're absolutely right and that enrages me so much. The double standard!!
Thats because 60% of the time men have ill intentions of they do that
I don't really care who ghosted who or whatever. Why has this grown ass woman been talking so much to this child? Especially about her divorce? That's super weird, that's what I'm most concerned about.
he twisted the truth.
Girl should’ve hired a therapist
Watch the whole video yourself (colleen's video)
@@leighhayward4240 Maybe I read it wrong but when she said "yes I tend to overshare with my fans when i should be talking to my friends or family"(or something to that effect) was her admitting that she inappropriately shared about her divorce etc. with that kid.
@@daniellelopez3342 that's what she said without actually admitting if she did share details with a child. I think she did talk to him about her divorce. 🤷
An important piece of the puzzle about “past content” for me is when people still have the videos public and/or monetized. It’s hard for me to buy an “I’ve grown and it was different then and that’s not me” type apology when the videos in question were still up 2 hours prior to the apology. I’m not an influencer, but I’ve deleted old pictures on my instagram when I feel they aren’t something I want to represent me anymore. ??
Very very good point 👏🏻👏🏻
Courtney S I never thought of that! I have done the same thing. My earlier years in college I partied so much and once I woke up and got sober I was like omg why was I sooo embarassing ****delete****😂
@@smokey_glow She also posted it on her second channel, which seemed very weird for me. Why post there, where she has around 6mil less followers than her main? Those followers are likely to be a lot more dedicated to the whole clan, so they're more willing to believe her story and accept that she didn't address some of the worst claims.
Wait what videos were still up?
The offensive ones aren't up anymore??
When colleen made those racist videos, it was the trend in comedy to be as offensive as possible, everyone who thought they were a "comedian" was saying horrible things. I remember that and I'm glad its over.
J J like Shane Dawson’s “black woman” character
Honestly! I wish people would see that’s how it was back then. And it was horrible, but everyone was doing it. It’s better now and she’s learned. People need leave her be.
CJ Sachi absolutely not... you’re telling me everyone in 2013 was going blackface?? shane knew damn well.
J J very true.
I agree, during that time I remember that was how a majority of the comedic younger skits were to be as “edgy” and “offensive” as possible. Especially with comedic skits such as trends about racial and gender groups like “white people be like” videos where some were imitating racial stereotypes. While it’s understandable, to a degree, I feel like it for those creators who are still on RUclips today that made that type of content, like Coleen, should have apologized it once they realized that what they did was offensive. Instead of having people make an apology because they were essentially forced to by the public. Especially since if the videos are still up.
I can’t, as a 20 year old, imagine messaging and talking about personal things like a divorce, to a 14 years old. I just find that very odd that anyone would want to do that.
Dude, her apology was pretty decent but I really question her restraint and boundaries. She didn’t even have second thoughts about all of her interactions with that minor. Idk, I’ve never watched her stuff but I don’t think I ever will now just because she seems like a loose cannon. I hope she learns from this and instills personal boundaries between her and her fan base.
The thing is in the clip where she was thinking of sending the lingerie to the teen she was joking about how potentially messed up it was. How the mom might get upset at the questionable behavior. She laughed about it because it was true, which showed just how aware she really was. She knew to an extent that the relationship was inappropriate but she continued to use and reward the boy for her advantage. She used the power she held in the relationship in very disturbing ways, and pretended that she wasn't aware of it. She's a grown adult, she had to have been at least to some degree.
The Book Night Yikes, I must’ve missed that when I watched it, that’s even more bothersome. 😔 that poor kid, I hope this blows over so he can have a relatively normal life.
The thing is though her parents were monitoring him and didn't do anything about the fact that she was over sharing? And if the parents weren't paying attention who's fault is it then? Also the parents also allowed him to go meet her and talk to her. The parents even said they love her.
This!! I'm a fan of her but I can definitely understand this. Ranting about things can be a really good coping mechanism, but maybe she can start ranting as if it was a video and then post it privately or send it to her therapist. I also think that other than the harm to other people, she's starting to hurt herself because very often she says she's happy that other people relate to her and enjoys opening up the conversation. It's starting to feel like that's why she is posting most of these rants. Have a great day!
@@mo.onstar Still Colleen's fault. Claiming that the blame magically shifts because another person didn't catch the depravity is an insane take. Ultimately, none of this would have happened if Colleen didn't choose to exploit child fans the way she did.
Shes an adult. Hes a kid. Still currently a minor. That is not okay, and let say he did lie (not saying he is) she should not be bringing attention to this, james charles should not have commented on it, and she should have told her fans to back off.
Period
watch colleen's video, from your comment is seems like you havent.
The only reason she made the video was because she was getting so much hate for not addressing it. James Charles should have stayed out of this, I agree, but Colleen did what she needed to do here.
James Charles was projecting. He should've been quiet. She wasn't talking about it, why was he?! So annoying.
He did lie. But he's also in a drama channel, so ofc drama channels gonna side with him. Pathetic. And his 'mother' (except it was him) asking her not to mention him knowing he was gonna release that video, was clearly to get everyone believing his lies. Some of you are so naive. Anyone who knows enough and cares about Colleen would never ask him to off himself. I only got to know about this mess thanks to his video. Don't put the blame on Colleen, she's defending herself. I wish she sued him for character defamation but she's way too kind. I hope she changes her mind though! This should end.
Miranda’s channel gives me the same kind of confusion that lele pons does . Like so many of the jokes aren’t for kids & are kinda inappropriate for children yet no teen/adult would watch them either. Also they use situations in their sketches that are supposed to be relatable to kids (like middle school/high school) so like WHO are they trying to target??
very true i agree
They are also full of "stereotypes" which is pretty..... fucked up, cause they sell those stereotypes as if they are real
@@versaitzi817 yeah it's like they're trying to be serious like yeah Im a professional film maker, but then also want to appeal to kids as they don't have to put effort in to do that
The whole “I have a present for you, you’re gonna be my unpaid intern” text to a 13 year old kid REEKS of mind games and manipulation. I think Colleen is really smart and crafted a perfect story but it’s just not adding up. I really don’t think she’s a good person.
El Oh, Exactly! I’m on the legal field ( not employment law) and I cannot think of a single reason to defend her. She hired a child to do free work for her for yearrrs, instead of paying a marketing company, and then to manipulate him into continuing the work, she mentioned it could be an internship. Whether he was paid or not, it’s an employer/employee relationship and she’s in the wrong. She manipulated him, she ratified his actions, she’s culpable.
Want to point out that he was 17 when that happened, not 13. Both still aren’t okay at all but I do think there’s a HUGE difference there as well.
@@coloradofanco he only controlled her account for one day, not years. I'm not defending anyone, but many people are confused, thinking it had been going on for awhile.
THIS. Thank God people are waking up. 🙌
Yeah let’s make my underage friend my unpaid intern is 0/10
I feel like this situation is a massive power play. Like if someone you idolised said they wanted you to work for them so many people would say yes. This whole situation leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Talking about your divorce to some one who isn’t an adult yet is awful and is most likely going to cause trauma. Therapists exist for a reason! As well by hiring fans and people to run part of the business it takes the responsibility off her. As someone who has done lots of safeguarding training this whole situation rings alarm bells talking to children about adult problems is awful and is going to cause so many issues when they’re older.
Emma Watson Does anyone actually know what Colleen said about her divorce to him? It’s so easy to jump to conclusion saying “oh, that could be traumatising to such a young boy” when we don’t even know exactly what was said. Hell, we don’t even have any evidence that she did do that and even if she did, context matters a lot.
Regarding the hiring issue, from what I saw from their setup, there was no way he was going to get the blame for it anyway. Miranda’s account was making those tweets. Unless Colleen publicly says someone was posting the tweet for her without her control, then the blame will be on her. She was responsible for letting someone use her account and because she has to approve them first before he can post them, she will ultimately get he blame for it. She clearly addressed this in her video. I found it sad that even with her good intention of hiring a boy (which let’s admit, she didn’t have to pay him. Everyone would jump at the opportunity to be part of Miranda especially her fans), it turned her into this evil villain in everyone’s eyes.
I’m pretty sure he can handle it... there are children who are mentally abused, and everyone is treating the “she told me about her divorce” situation like the end of the world.
@@Whatdafaccio then again, even though it isnt as terrible as being abused, im pretty sure that it could affect minors because a whole lot of weight is sort of being put on their shoulders.. idk, this is just my opinion:)
@@leela8641 lol
Alekse Alijosius exactly, and this is coming from someone who this *child* idolizes, making the impact more severe. And whether this happened or not, it is strange and inappropriate to have “friendships” with minors, not mentorships, when you’re 30 and you also hire them to work for you. Also just my opinion lol
I’m so surprised that the controversy surrounding Colleen is the fact that she chatted with a minor about her divorce and not the fact that she creates videos where she literally plays a caricature of a vulnerable adult... ☕️☕️☕️ I work with adults with intellectual disabilities and the Miranda Sings character has just never sat right with me 😬
Ellen Rainer I actually never thought about it from that perspective before and that is a REALLY good point.
I’ve been looking for this comment! I was never sure if Miranda Sings was meant to be a disabled adult or a disabled child, some people would say she was like 9? I didn’t watch so I don’t know, but the point was she made herself famous making fun of a disabled person... how is that okay?
ALSO she puts extremely inappropriate content in her videos and her netflix show! Her netflix show is in the kids section and features jokes about molestation, incest, and porn. Her youtube features similar content. And, yes, her character is rooted in making fun of people with disabilities. How is it funny to make fun of vulnerable people? It wasn't funny in the 2000s and its not funny now. Kids see this and think its okay to mock people that have disabilities. Her netflix show definitely led to a couple of kids asking their parents what porn was, from the reviews. Why is it so difficult to produce child friendly content that doesnt include discriminatory humor and sexual innuendos?
When the Miranda Sings character began she was pretty much just an annoying, slightly narcissistic adult - the kind of person you might regularly encounter in a choir or music program. They think they're amazing when they're not. I think Colleen based the character off of her real personal experiences and there was zero implication of intellectual disabilities of any kind. A lot of it was inside jokes for people who are more into music. Since then, the character has become more exaggerated and child-oriented to the point that it is almost unrecognizable.
@@oneofthetrasians except it's not really child oriented to joke about incest and porn??? I agree with your characterization though
Being 3 years old isn't the issue, but joking about it on the internet like it's not big deal is a HUGE deal. If everything else doesn't show you her character, that should.
theres also a video of her closing up on a flattened cat in the street that was run over and laughing about it with her friend. that as well as laughing about the fact that she caused her dog to get killed makes her irredeemable in my eyes
@Erica Esther Coping with what? The fact she got an animal killed? Sounds a bit belittling to use a rape victim talking point to justify animal abuse. Also I don't know about anyone else, but it's a bit weird Colleen claims she remembers this when she was three, and yet most children replace their memories and have little long term memory until the age of 7. Like I was involved in a car accident, I have no recollection of that car accident from when I was 3 or 4. Seems a bit suspect someone would remember so vividly lying to their parents to get their dog put down after abusing it.
Regardless, none of this is actually what the issue is. It's her pattern of laughing at animal abuse and then monetizing it, and now hiding behind a shield of "i neEd ToCoPE wITh my SHITTY bEhAvIouR let me laugh at animal suffering in peace!"
Carcinogen I have to disagree. I moved states when I was 5 and I have many memories that happened in my old neighborhood. I also very accurately remember all my birthdays since the age of 2. Also I’m not sure what you mean when you say she lied to her parents and abused the dog. In the video she said the dog bit her and the hospital told her family the dog had to be put down. She says she felt very guilty about it as a child.
she literally lied. The pet was deemed dangerous because she either lied outright (It just bit me!) or she lied implicitly (The dog bit me)
Again, none of this is the actual issue. She is a millionaire with usually very good PR. People are being manipulated by this woman into thinking she feels guilty when there is video evidence that she thinks it's funny when a cat gets run over.
The issue for me - a lot of the racist and harmful tweets and monetized content is still up.
That speaks volumes.
As someone who was used as a "free therapist" and "a person who you can vent to" by a teacher through middle school (I am having my classes separated from other students because of health problems, so it was always just me and the teacher), I know that the pressure is REAL. I have only now (in high school) realized how wrong and unprofessional it was of my teacher to do that.
Never vent to kids, never.
Smokey was ✨on point✨ and Adam was vindicated 3 years later.
She had the foresight others lacked
This video aged like fine wine
just because you’ve “watched her for years and don’t believe she would do that” doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I’m sorry but you can’t argue with facts. she admitted to sending him underwear. she admitted to hiring him as a minor while knowing the power imbalance. she admitted to talking to him often and having a relationship with him. there’s videos that prove she said certain things. the fact that people are still defending her based on a hunch that “she just wouldn’t do that” is beyond me. AND the fact that people are commenting under this video saying they don’t believe she would do that after Hannah went over parasocial relationships is insane!!! just because you watch someone on youtube doesn’t mean you know them. you don’t know them!! i’m sorry but you don’t
@Sir, I'm Amy Santiago and I have something to say seriously! That's the most absurd excuse for inappropriate behavior with a minor. Children could ask for anything in the world - that doesn't just mean you do it as a grown woman in her 30's.
If a man in his 30's sent a 13 year old girl lingerie or underwear, the excuse of "she asked for it" wouldn't fly in the slightest.
@@faerittarius That's a really disgusting thing to say. If a grown man sent a middle school girl his underwear because sHe BeGgEd FoR iT, he would be cancelled and under investigation before the week was up. Sure, I don't think Colleen is a groomer. I don't think there was ill intent here necessarily. But I think she's beyond immature and doesn't understand what is appropriate for children or not and she absolutely did not think about the repercussions of her actions. But its a clear pattern of behavior. Her content on youtube AND her netflix kids show is full of incest, sex, porn, rape, and molestation jokes, when her target audience is young kids. This has been going on for over a decade with no change
She didn't PROPERLY hire him as a minor. Don't act like you're some expert in employment law when she admitted to using him for content on a conditional basis without pay. Never mind the fact that she didn't just like, approve, and use his content, she made her OWN content based on it, then threw him under the bus when she got backlash.
"people are defending her based on bias" YES. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence that she's acting and creating content that is inappropriate for young audiences, and angry little children like you are coming out of the woodwork to make comparisons attempting to defend her disgusting actions, that aren't even logical or based in fact. Of course there's concrete evidence to support the kid, why do you think people are so upset? Jesus christ, you could at least look at the evidence first before being such an asshole about it. You're acting like she's done nothing wrong ever.
twitter.com/DarkBallet20 has a lot of evidence to support adams claims, as well as evidence of her behavior pattern. There has been NO growth or change, she's just upset she got called out for once.
@@Sasha-gd7se "She's just upset she got called out for once" - Actually literally everybody else BUT Colleen is upset, she's probably the only person who ironically handled this in a mature and anti-cancel culture fashion, Im inclined to believe that she probably won't make the same mistake twice.
All the while people like Dahvie Vanity are actually out there grooming children, but we wanna focus on *this*.
@@xangelmoonx except she's made racist jokes about Japanese names as recently as November 2019.
Are we really not going to talk about how Hannah is serving some looks???? Like dammmnnnnn girl
Like a fiery springtime goddess and I dig it! Nn
Hair, clothes, and makeup 100% on point!!
the hawai'i sunset eye is giving absolute LIFE and she's always had such gorgeous hair 😤❤
no we are not.
At one point in the dms he showed Colleen had said “everyone’s so sensitive” and she’s said iterations of that over the years so I feel like she doesn’t actually care, she only cares when she gets caught! She calls herself the biggest ally for the lgbtq+ community but it has never felt genuine to me and just for show. People have been talking about how shady she is since the divorce it’s just under the radar. This just feels like the last straw
tealdiamonds23 THANK YOU
Yes! Before this stuff happened she was constantly reiterating the fact that everyone is so sensitive now and that just never sat well with me. Also her friends are all very problematic, I feel like maybe Joey Graceffa is the only okay one. Keeping people like Trisha Paytas, Todrick Hall (who recently got outed for not paying his dancers), and Gabbie Hanna in your circle is a reflection of the kind of person she is and I dont think we can just throw that away.
Amanda Charlebois gay poc are not exempt from being called out
further evidence that anyone who calls themselves an ally... likely is not
I didn't see one negative comment on her apology video. Everyone was praising her, and putting down the kid who spoke out. It was a bit creepy to see that none of her viewers saw anything wrong with this situation. Colleen has always been offensive, it's just that no one outside her stans knew that.
Oh there are plenty, she shadow blocked them
Someone posted a list of all words she has filtered out on Twitter. That's why it seems all positive. She has to protect her image over every else of course.
I think she's been deleting and filtering comments, she's been doing it on her Miranda channel as well.
possibly the comments were being monitored? On twitter it was a different story. People were giving her a lot of criticism.
Julie McLean because she deletes all the hate comments..
This video has aged well and I’m happy you believed Adam even when it was popular not to. I hope you make another video covering this because the situation blew up again with more evidence, and it would be nice to see it get more coverage.
The dog thing is honestly really sad and being a naive 3 year old who made a mistake is OBVIOUSLY not her fault but making it into a joke as an adult is really gross and disappointing 😔
It says something that even as a child she was abusing the dog out of anger and knew to lie about it. Then to joke about it-something’s very wrong.
Katie Carole lmfaoo
Katie Carole am sorry but like it’s just a joke you can’t take jokes now
@@PrincessCarparkle No, actually it doesn't say anything. She was 3. She did something most 3 year olds would do.
theres also a video of her closing up on a flattened cat in the street that was run over and laughing about it with her friend. that as well as laughing about the fact that she caused her dog to get killed makes her irredeemable in my eyes
I only started watching her when she was pregnant. I had no idea of all of these previous scandals. It's crazy to me how many big youtubers are actually highly problematic.
same! I found her thread on gurugossip when i started watching her while she was pregnant and HOO BOY they knew! colleen's fans also brigaded her ex husband after the divorce telling him to kill himself and all that and even though she spouts off about positivity and kindness and whatever, she didn't stop them. He's also alluded to her doing something horrible to him that led to the split; they had dated for years and then split suddenly after less than a year of marriage. people speculate that she cheated on him with her current husband, because while she was still married she posted pictures on a work trip/vacation with the guy she ended up marrying later. no idea what's true, but it definitely had me looking at her differently. Now this??
I found her through Joey graceffa who I used to watch alot and was like 'hm they're pretty close' a d way hec a few colabs
@@Sasha-gd7se I doubt it was cheating, Colleen was probably posting stuff with her and her current husband ( Erik Stocklin) because they were both in her tv show together so they new each other beforehand.
i hate how non-hispanic fans are accepting her apology for the racist stuff. that apology wasn’t even meant for them. also, i hate how people tell hispanics to get over it because it was 14 years ago. it’s as if some people aren’t allowed to feel offended.
PeaceSeeker049 a lot of people don’t know the difference between hispanic, mexican, latina, etc. i don’t blame them because it can get very confusing.
Smiya Coron exactly, when shane dawson apologized i saw nothing but non black folk forgiving him. i’m so glad we can at least recognize the whole “it’s not your apology to accept if u didn’t feel the pain and hurt” now. there were SO many people saying this ab the emmuhlu situation, but when it comes to colleen it’s crickets? i also feel like it’s because her stans are so young so they don’t understand this. i got attacked by so many of them and i’m glad i can finally express my opinion and not get attacked for once.
Dee exactly. racism still exists today, and when your idol mocks your race, it feels like a punch in the face.
i know!! even some hispanic fans are going 'well i wasn't offended by it'. i think this video addressed it correctly. it was, by all means, offensive, whether someone was personally offended by it or not.
also 14 years isn't that long ago. it was 2006 and she was an adult at the time. people act like people learned racism wasn't okay two or three years ago.
bubleous exactly. they act like they’re speaking for every hispanic. then they attack the people who were offended and they say “you’re just sensitive.” people don’t recognize that SOCIETY has grown and will call out people being racist. back in 2006, cancel culture (which is very toxic) wasn’t a thing. just because humor was different back then doesn’t mean it’s okay.
Colleen hires fans because she can pay them less than she'd pay actual professionals. I don't see anything altruistic about it at all, honestly.
there are kids who are paid by Microsoft to test their video games, and by the time from what i understand it, with this Miranda stuff, he was 16 or 17, plenty of kids that age take internships, hell i have worked on movies in LA where our interns were kids of the crew, and the hired staff. So people saying hiring her fans is not appropriate, thats wrong, she died cross the line on the personal aspects of it, but since we are only getting parts and pieces of these events from all sides we can't hate on either of them, except for the parents who should have spoken with her and not let things go through their son. the parents should have talked with her and met with her on all things with her. so its not fully Adam, or Colleens fault, but i will say this 16 or 17 year olds can and do lie its part of being a kid, and just cause of his age doesn't mean he can't be in the wrong just as much as Colleen is. its not black or white, there are lines that were lured, and if the moon told her not to talk about him, then her not talking about it till now, was the smart thing and respectful thing she was doing. And its the fans and the you tubers here that pushed her to talk about it and bring light to it, after she was asked to not talk about it. even though her son did and edited and redid his videos, so since nothing shown or used on line is ever pull open people don't know what was real and what was this kid trying to get famous or spin things in his best light to save is own channel.
no she doesn’t actually she legally hires them through her company and pays them just as she would someone else in their work position. Not defending her just saying that you are technically incorrect in saying that.
I feel so bad for the minor involved. It is never a minor’s fault in any situation with an adult. She should’ve known better. It’s disgusting that he is getting so much hate for this and I hope he is okay.
Edit: I also just find it sketchy for an adult to talk to a minor that they don’t know from family or something like that. It’s just weird to talk to a minor online in general to me. It’s obviously worse considering how personal she got. I’m not trying to accuse her of anything. It’s just irresponsible of her.
Man her fans are going hard with that kid 🤦♂️ i guess age only matters when the person who f¿'s ups is famous.
Kiki Lau he’s 17, almost 18 😂 you act like 17 year olds don’t know what they’re doing
al3x what about when he was 13??
@@aalexttostado Their relationship started when he was like 13. That's uhhhh grooming.
he is almost 18 and brought this situation to the public HIMSELF. He could have expected hate tbh cause the internet is toxic and he knows that.
The apology was good by standards, but i do wonder if the genders were reverse how different would the story be. I also noticed that she chose not to mention the joke about the, "horny teenage girl" and technically lied about taking ownership for the, "i'm coming out tweet" when Adam showed proof that she was practically blaming him for the tweet. I wish them all the best, and hopefully colleen grows up from this experience.
Ps: I forgot to mentioned that she actually doesn't seem to see anything wrong with befriending and giving jobs to her underage fans, and that's to me troublesome because fans idolize you, and children tempt to be unpredictable humans due to many psychological and biological reasoning. Why do you think there are so many rules and regulations on age restrictions? When you built a relationship (specially a business relationship) with a fan and a minor you are creating a recipe for disaster.
Yeah there are power dynamic implications. Its really messed up.
I am 19. Friendship between adults and minors is extremely possible and okay in *my opinion* if handled properly.
I was friends with my teacher all through high school. She was the advisor to the club I ran so I was in her room all the time (4/7 hours a day by the end of my senior year). We had conversations as friends. I worked for and with her planning large events as an under the table consultant and employee. I learned intimate details about her personal life (when her ex and her kid's dad was in the hospital and not doing well as well as how the kids were feeling and reacting for example). I helped her pick her dog out. I helped her write an essay to go back to college. I ate dinner at her house and after(!!!!!) graduation she let me sleep in her house as opposed to a tent in the rain despite my insistence that I would be fine in the tent or that I could just drive home.
I was a minor during the majority of this and I knew the lines between what was said to a student, a friend, an employee, and a coworker.
The issue in my opinion lies within the fan/idol dynamic if that. The real issue is a parasocial relationship. At his age, people are able to and SHOULD know the difference between dynamics. His parents should have stepped in at any point in this if they felt uncomfortable but they didn't.
Colleen did wrong in this situation, yes, but I personally do not feel that she knowingly and with intent manipulated and abused this kid. He unfortunately wasn't able to draw the lines in this situation and he got hurt. That does not give him the right to go after her career. This is something that is going to follow him now and he was the one to put himself in that situation. He made the choice to go public and seemingly warp the truth because he was hurt. He put himself in the drama of it all now and I just wish him the best in navigating it.
@@oriongood3109 he was 13 I don't believe he had any responsibility in "drawing the lines" that is why it is below age of consent because the law agrees they are vulnerable. Collen however was 30 and absolutely should have known this fan, idolatry relationship with a child gave her all the power and was inappropriate at best. She used him to check on drama about her divorce. What normal 30 year old does that to a "superfan" who had made multiple fan accounts. That's wildly out of line and disturbing. A face to face friendship with a teacher is one thing, an online relationship with a fan based on using them for whatever they want is just wrong.
Shyla Good, while I’m glad you were fine, I’m studying teaching and it’s been made extremely clear that that sort of thing is absolutely not okay. Telling students specifics about stressful things you’re dealing with can place unnecessary stress on them, and you should NEVER have viewed your relationship with the teacher a friendship (being friendly with students is fine; being friends is inappropriate). Things like having you help pick out the dog, telling you personal stories, letting you view her as a friend, and inviting you to her house all cross professional boundaries and could be considered grooming behaviours. Many students in your position might not have felt comfortable saying no to the request to help with the essay or to work for her or even just to listen to her personal struggles; all of these can put unnecessary pressure on students, who should be building connections with their actual peers and focussing on their own studies rather than their teacher’s studies. Your teacher probably could’ve been fired for those behaviours. You’re usually not even allowed to accept a student’s friend request on Facebook unless maybe they graduated from school years ago, yet alone invite someone to sleep over at your house. Maybe that teacher didn’t try anything with you, but others would’ve. There’s a reason schools require teachers to maintain professional boundaries with students.
Your hair looks so cute in this! And that makeup is completely stunning!
lmcme98 my hooded eyes could never
@@rebeccadueck9534 I feel your pain 😭
I second this! You look bomb !!
Ikr she looks so good
Hope you’re doing well, Hannah!! Thanks for a new video ❤️
Stephanie I love your videos! So great to find you supporting other creators that I enjoy!
@@charlene9489 same
Hi Stephanie! ❤️
The only reason you would hire a fan is to have major power over them. Minor or not. This is honestly disgusting imagine needing your ego to be stroked that badly. Also sending anyone you don't know especially a minor lingerie is a big no. Anyone can see why you just don't do. Common law of the land we don't mess with minors it's always a tricky situation.
I love coming here to see how many of us acknowledged colleen was a problem back then. Love smokey glow so much we need her so much. Shes the light in the darkness of these youtube streets.
More than telling the story about the dog, SHE JOKED ABOUT IT. She was so insensitive, I don't trust people who have 0 empathy for animals.
Inês Baptista She threw a sarcastic joke in at the end of the story. She wasn’t going around making constant jokes about it and talking about it like it didn’t matter. She was also THREE YEARS OLD at the time of the actual incident. Some people (particularly her) use humor to add levity to painful or negative stories and situations. I know I do. I feel like people just do NOT know how to understand humor or sarcasm these days, geez.
I think it was probably a traumatising experience, in the apology she said it was upsetting for her when it happened, I’m guessing she was trying to make a joke and it was funny to her since she went through it but to others it wasn’t funny.
Deadpan is a thing..
@@cradio52 I use humor all the time. But I don't think that a dead dog is hilarious. Idk, maybe I'm the weird one. You are talking about this like this was the one time she thought animals suffering is funny.
And literally no one is blaming 3 year old Colleen, lmao.
@Slut4jesus 69 i saw that too and it shocked me even more... it was almost unbelievable that someone thought it was funny doing it, editing it, posting it.
aye youtube knows what it's doing - recommending this 3 years later lmaoo
I feel like she hides behind Miranda at points. Miranda is supposed to be a ridiculous character and not to be taken seriously, so knowing that I thing Colleen uses Miranda to hide behind shitty things she says. It doesn't matter that it was "Miranda" that referred to Native Americans as pets in a Thanksgiving sketch. That's straight up heavily implying that that whole group of people are less than. That they are sub human and therefore don't matter. Not to mention it completely belittles their suffering. And Miranda saying it doesn't make it an okay joke.
thank you! i've seen so many tweets replying to her videos talking about her obviously offensive sketch she and her sister did towards mexican people, but very few people are talking about the racism towards native americans. i feel like racism towards native americans is often brushed under the rug, so i'm glad to see other people are calling that out.
yessss thank you
@@meganburgess138 that's real hecked up
@@amandalynn4979 colleen is the least homophobic person ever. You are stretching
@@amandalynn4979 collens best friend is gay lmaoo plss
Everything James said was just plain wrong, I wish he didn’t insert himself in this one..
Lia Dors yeah i love him but he didn’t need to get involved it wasn’t his business
I personally think that james wanted to help her because colleen helped him through his drama last year.
when i was little i watched her but i was confused cause some jokes went completely over my head. like i genuinely have no idea what her audience is supposed to be.
Ok, the thing that bothers me the most is that she shared private things about her divorce. Maybe it's because I don't know anything about my parents divorce.
Yeah same here... my parents didn’t tell me anything about their divorce until I was an adult because they didn’t want to turn me against the other parent. It’s very strange that she thought it was a good idea to share those things with a stranger, let alone a minor.
This whole thing was weird. I was thirteen back when oj was guilty and Nancy Kerrigan was hit with a baton and Alanis and Jewel put out their whole albums. To think that someone in their thirties like me would even entertain a middle schooler is absurd. I was thirteen eons ago and I would never in my mind talk to a child that age I was not a parent of or not babysitting. This girl is crazy.
Erica Esther yes but they are not appropriate social company for someone my age. At all.
@Erica Esther Yes. They are kids. Incapable of conversing on the same level as adults...period.
Exactly omg I’m 26 and couldn’t imagine having a close relationship with anyone under like 21 🤢😖
Ive always felt uncomfortable by Miranda sings and I could never figure out why. Like it just felt wrong. I originally thought she was making fun of people who are disabled.
It's the issue with discussing the animals that makes me wary of her. Not just the dog. She was a baby. The story of her volunteering herself to help someone find their cat, came across a run-over kitten, and videotaped herself and another person mocking it. That's seriously messed up.
ALSO if you properly interview and vet candidates, a "trial run" should not even be a step in the hiring process. just sounds like she was trying to exploit fans for their unpaid work
Actually, a lot of places that do internships or service jobs from where I live do that very thing. There's a trial run for restaurant workers for example, wherein the first couple of weeks they get their hourly pay but not tips. People tend to come and go pretty quickly in those positions. Also, it may be because he was so young and it was rather informal that Colleen instated the trial period not only for her sake but for his. Some kids might think they want to do the work and then realise they don't pretty quickly so it provided a low-risk for both parties. Again, these are just other perspectives, I'm not saying at all that that's what happened but I don't think it's as simple as you're portraying it.
Colleen still hadn’t addressed the issue at the time that I made my video about her needing to apologize to Adam and I still stand by everything I said. She was still the adult in the situation - period.
agreed🤕 it’s weird
noeliadcc LITERALLY ! ppl are so quick to jump sides without looking at the big picture and seeing that it’s not about sides.. it’s about what’s simply right and wrong for an ADULT to do 😒
@@amandao3354 agreed but i felt like she explained that part, which is the bigger picture, well about how shes an adult and its totally a bad situation. i guess thats just me.
noeliadcc You do realize that she did address that in the video about how she now knows that what she did was very stupid and inappropriate, right?
-rosé’s floor - I mean, my biggest problem with the situation was her talking to adam (13 at the time) about her divorce as a 29 year old, so no, she didn’t really address that :/ (like Hannah mentioned in this vid)
the issue with the dog story is that as a grown woman she joked about being a dog murderer and flaunted getting the dog put down. this is in a video thats monetized right now on her channel. same with the clip of her laughing at a dead kitten its still up on her channel. being monetized. and shes not doing anything about it.
My thing is....she was an ADULT when she said that....and has done/said iffy things several times... but I never watched her anyway so it doesn’t affect me LOL
I don't know what her intentions were when she sent him the underwear and over shared about her personal life. What I will say is that if she were a 30 something year old man sending a 13 year old girl underwear the narrative would be vastly different. If she were a 30 something year old man over sharing about his personal life to a 13 year old girl, I highly doubt Colleen would be getting the same benefit of the doubt when it came to intention.
My point in saying this is that there has to be the same energy when it comes to any adult regardless of gender who manipulates a child. The fact that she felt bold enough to quantify her apology by adding he asked for the underwear tells me that she knows because he's a boy people for the most part are more willing to give her a pass. Because you have some people who think a boy cannot be traumatized in the same way as a girl. This type of ideology is not just woefully misinformed, it's dangerous. It's one of the main reasons boys/men don't come forward when they have been manipulated in this way. And that causes damage. I mean look at the hate this kid is getting for coming forward with this. How adults, including James Charles who has millions of followers have come for this kid.
Preach it Brooklyn
Amen.
I personally don’t care about the underwear- we can take that out of the equation. Don’t foster friendships with young people/fans in that way. I don’t know how to explain this- no it’s not s*xual predatory but it’s unhealthy and crosses lines, messes with their concepts of boundaries. Then the way she blamed him for the backlash- you can’t mess with a kids emotions like that
I feel as if it were a man sending his boxers to a child it would be completely different. we gotta keep the same energy
and one other thing i feel like we should be mentioning is the fact that she was so adamant on the “it was a big joke” when referring to sending the underwear. the comment sort of made it seem like everyone else who was hearing about the situation now could never understand because we weren’t a part of the “jOkE” when to me a really good joke doesn’t need to be explained or defended because it’s not inappropriate. and i COMPLETELY agree with your point on the whole hiring a fan thing. she made it seem like she was giving to the poor by having a high schooler go through her social media or make merchandise. there are ADULTS in the business she should be utilizing
Yes I completely agree with you. One thing I realized reading that is people try to excuse sexual assualt by saying it's a joke. I remember there was this one RUclips salt or something, I don't know I just remember Jessi smiles talking about it. Who would go around and slap random women's butts while filming it and calling it a prank. I really don't get how people excuse and just accept 'humor' as a reason to get away with bad & disrespectful behavior.
I respectfully disagree. How happy would you be if your favorite influencer responded to you. It would make your day, it who’d make your year, it would bring you so much joy. Getting the opportunity to help your favorite influencer and see that content on her platform would be a dream come true for me. Colleen is trying her best to make her fan community a place where dreams come true. She apologized for EVERYTHING and the only things about the apology that are being highlighted are all the parts that are seemingly her trying to defend herself when in reality it’s just her providing context on the situation. You’re twisting her words and making her look bad when in actuality she is probably one of the best damn humans in the world rn
@@alicelee7502 I don't think what colleen did by sending him the underwear was sexual assault. I'm a victim of sexual assault myself and I believe her on the reason she sent them, there were no bad intentions, they were only worn over clothes, as far as we know at least. I think it was still extremely inappropriate considering his age and the item itself, but I think calling it sexual assault may be a little bit of a stretch. I do want to make it clear real quick though, that I was sexually assaulted by a girl, I myself am a girl and so I don't think that being a girl exempts you from being the one to sexually assault another individual. I think Colleen saw it as a joke and didn't really think too much about it. I think she is being sincere, esspecially now that she has her own child and can now understand better why it was wrong. It doesn't excuse her for everything else though. Also I'm totally open for discussion because my opinions aren't set in stone so don't take this as an attack or anything please.
Children should be protected by adults. Not taken advantage of or manipulated by them.
(Ps you look gorgeous Hannah 😍)
revisiting in 2023 and you were SPOT ON
Im so glad your making a video on this cause I know you will come from a rational and caring perspective Ive seen so many drama channels flipping sides, fueling the drama, taking the parts of her apology about the boy out of context and saying she is "exposing" him,
This video aged beautifully and I hope you do an update soon
She started with a lie-in CA, where she grew up, it’s not a LAW when a dog bites it has to be put down, per an ER doc. It’s simply not true. So after that I was done.
Yes in California a dog only has to be put down if the victim of the attack presses charges against the owner of the dog and a judge determines that the charges are fair. That dog didn’t have to die
Erika Then, tell her parents that. Not her.
theres also a video of her closing up on a flattened cat in the street that was run over and laughing about it with her friend. that as well as laughing about the fact that she caused her dog to get killed makes her irredeemable in my eyes
@@Erika-mo9cs exactly. Colleen was born in 1986? I believe.
Depends on how many times the dog had bitten someone that was reported. In my state, if your dog has two reported bites, they must be put down. Not defending this girl because I'd never heard of her prior to this video, just contributing to the conversation.
Here is the thing, racism has never been ok. It has always been something morally bankrupt people do. Don't get me wrong, racism may have been trendy in the past (even on RUclips) but the reality is that racism has never been ok (even if there is a long history of it). That being said you cannot blame not knowing better (as an adult, even a younger adult in their early 20s) because you should have. Own your shit. Own the fact that you chose to not seek out new information and diversity. Own the fact that you chose not to learn to do better. Then apologize for choosing not to do better and for not taking the time to learn better. Colleen honestly comes off as a shitty person who hides behind being sensitive.
Um...what? Colleen owned ALL of her mistakes in the apology. First y’all want her to apologize and then you scrutinize her apology for proving her side of the story. She has created possibly the best apology video of any RUclipsr and you can genuinely tell she’s upset about this whole incident. JUST BECAUSE SHE IS OVER THE AGE OF 18 doesn’t mean she can’t make any mistakes. You’re not perfect, neither is she.
@Hey it's Me Everyone is problematic. Everyone's done things wrong. Get off the cancel culture bandwagon.
Hey it's Me no one ever can really know right from wrong! It depends on their perspective in the moment right then and there and the impulse decisions that you make in the moment. Sometimes people, no matter what the age, get caught up during the heat of the moment and decide to make impulsive decisions. If people over the age of 18 were somehow able to know right from wrong, then why does prison even exist, why do we allow friends, and family members to make mistakes in which we forgive them for. Just because you’re older than 18 doesn’t mean you always make the right decisions in life. If this was the case, then any time any adult made a mistake, it would be inexcusable! The important thing is that you move forward from your mistakes to better yourself and become the best version of yourself.
Hey it's Me I’m not excusing her behavior, I’m forgiving her for it! There’s a difference. As @JackStrait said, “get off the cancel culture bandwagon”!
She did own it though??? In her apology video lol thats literally what she said. Everyone has been jumping to all sorts of conclusions without even watching her video.
HANNAH THIS EYE LOOK IS STUNNING!!!
The “trial run” thing reminds me so much of how Gabbie Hanna’s video editor is a 17 yo fan, who, thanks to certain clips Gabbie has filmed, has seen inappropriate stuff of Gabbie, and I feel like no one talks about that enough
This video has aged like fine wine.
Can we talk about the fact that she was hiring this kid to pose as her, as Miranda. Like what???!! So basically the fans who thought they were interacting with Miranda were in fact speaking with this kid. I mean talk about being a fraud. If I was one of those fans then I would be crushed. Quiet frankly if Miranda is dying off then just retire her, don’t have someone else pose as her just to keep making whatever little money off of her. If that’s the case then Miranda “Colleen” is an imposter. Just sad.
This whole thing is kind of reminiscent of that whole Gabbie Hanna/Mutual Friend/Jessi Smiles fiasco
Looking back on this 2 years later it still gives me a weird feeling. If a grown man were to hire teenage girls or send them underwear, he would be completely demolished. I feel as though an apology is not enough and it makes me livid that she put a child through all the hate. It scares me that she still has a platform. She’s always given me a weird feeling and still does to this day. It’s not cute to want to be in contact with child all the time when there are adults that are more qualified to do the same job.
Anyway, you did an amazing job on this video. I’ve watched it like 3 times😂
girl you know what you have to do....
Hannah was completely right about all this. I really hope she makes another video about this with everything that’s come out
I'm all for hating the family vlogs. Not saying they're all bad people. I just think it's so gross. And when does "work" end? I just can't get with it.
Claire Bee same
Just as a heads up, "no skin off my back" is a phrase that originated with the flogging of slaves. I know you didn't mean anything by it, but it's something to be aware of.
I definitely like the way she handled the first part of her apology but the second half definitely had a lot of holes in it. She never addressed her bullying the minor behind his back and she really played the victim during the underwear situation.
I feel the same way. The first part was cool but she didn't even acknowledge being friends with the kid for years, even meeting up with him in person more than once. She acted like he was just some random fan who asked her for underwear (which sounds better than admitting it was LINGERIE) and then she just randomly trusted him with her Twitter account years later. And she never acknowledged the fact that she blamed him while her close friend and her fans were bullying him.
This video aged so well like wow. Down to the points about kodee
The orange/warm shadow looks great on you!! It really compliments your hair!!
I could go on and on about the things she missed in her apology but I LOVE how you brought up her interactions and relationships with young fans. In her apology she mentions how she loves messaging her fans and interacting with them and how she sees all of her fans as friends, BIG NO NO. Personally I believe that influencers should not be messaging fans who are under the age of 18 and should only interact with them at meet and greets and shows. This is because even though a child may think they know the influencer through videos, they really don't and in fact the influencer is basically a stranger to this child.
I think that parasocial relationships have become more frequent because influencers act like they are friends with their fans and children (in some cases adult) truly believe that they are friends with this influencer and that to me is a problem. Another problem I saw from this entire situation is seeing her young fans interacting with strangers on twitter to defend her, you can see through their comments how young and naive they are and it honestly scares me that there are that many children who are younger than 14 on twitter just freely cursing out and talking to complete grown adult strangers.That isn't colleens or any influencers fault as she can't control those kids having accounts but by interacting with these children she is condoning their behavior and themselves being on twitter. All of this just has hurt my heart and while I don't think colleen is a threat to society or anyone, I just feel like she hasn't handled any of this well.
P.S: I was also writing a paper on human trafficking and how common it is on social media with young children so I just have the mind set that young kids on social media isn't safe.
Hear hear.
I completely agree. RUclipsrs with young audiences should really take the time to clarify this to their audiences rather than taking advantage of them
Colleen cannot catch a break with her fans though, when she was in New York working on Broadway they would come up to her and demand that she sign autographs/hugs/photos almost and HOUR after her show had finished. Stage door security is a big issue these days. But she literally can't do anything right- she gets slammed if she ignores them she gets slammed if she does!! I personally do think that she should not have engaged in this sort of online relationship with him but she did handle the apology and his privacy very maturely... Unlike literally everyone else on the internet atm showing his face etc (I definitely do not blame him for this).
There is no her side of a story when she is an adult exploiting a minor
coming back to this video in 2023 like @_@ would be interested in Hannah's updated thoughts!
and then she goes and says "you're not just my fans, you're my friends!" - what kinda toxic jaclyn hill bullshit is that?!
You should do a update video about this
I feel like she didn’t address a lot of stuff in the video, like the r*pe comments, or the cat video.
YUP.
The cat video is so stupid ... y'all just too sensitive ughh
What comments?
César Charles It’s not that I’m “soft.” It’s the very implication that she didn’t even address it, because she has no way to justify it. She titled the video “addressing everything” but didn’t touch some of the biggest things against her. The hypocrisy from that makes me question if she really changed/meant it at all.
Mads I haven’t looked super in depth in them, but if I remember correctly she tweeted a bunch of really gross r*pe jokes a while back.
Colleen has said A LOT in past videos that she uses RUclips as a form of therapy. It also seems like she actually started going to therapy after/during her pregnancy (as she got diagnosed with OCD, and that doesn’t happen if you haven’t gone to therapy) so hopefully it will put up more barriers for her between her audience as she has a professional to vent to now. Overall, my biggest problem with Colleen has been that she doesn’t seem to know about boundaries. I hope this scandal has made her realize that and put up more boundaries. Idk, I want to believe she has changed as her whole family seems to be so accepting of everyone no matter what and it would be strange to me if Colleen is the only outlier in that. Idk, I’ll definetly be more cautious going forward watching her videos,
Wow! Super weird watching this now... seems like you were the only one back then with a sensible head on. Hope you're working on a new video on all the updates. X
I’m glad you brought up how she glossed over the whole “over sharing” issue. All she said was “yeah I see my fans as my friends and I’ve definitely over shared in the past”. And that was it. Like lady...you were a like a 30yo woman talking about personal details of your divorce with a 14 year old kid...how fucking weird is that???
This is why I specifically love watching your videos on these type of things. Your views aren't bias to one party and you really open my eyes to a lot of things Colleen glossed over in her apology.
This is unimportant, but as a person named Colleen who often doesn't meet others with my name, let alone hardly share it with well-known individuals, it was kind of a trip hearing my name so many times in this video! haha
Hehe my names colleen and i totally agree!!
Colleen Hendrick it’s just unfortunate to share a name with her under these circumstances! 😬 but it’s usually fun to meet another Colleen since it doesn’t happen a lot!
I get that it was cute to be edgy back in the day but the fact that there are SO MANY RUclipsRS who aren't edgy from the mid 2000s aka when RUclips and Twitter first appeared shows that ONE you don't need to be edgy and TWO if you are then just own up to it. Jeremy Jahns, Shane Dawson and Philip Defranco are great examples of owning your cringey shit. Then there's Jenna Marbles, jacksfilms, nigahiga who show you DON'T need to be edgy to be funny and gain a following like....ugh.
And the fact that she NEVER addressed the rape tweets like whyyyyy wouldn't you address that? To JOKINGLY say "everyone go rape so and so"....That's gross, never funny, not cute.
And to add to what Dianna said, Jenna has said that she's been problematic in the past and she wouldn't say stuff she would say before - she even gave an example with the word "gay", like people would say "that's so gay" but now that they know better they don't.
One thing I keep seeing was "where was his parents?" ....it seems like they were somewhat keeping tabs on things, you can't control or monitor what your kid does 24/7, and what parent wants to crush their child's dream. They seem to have tried navigating this fairly well for something that's a new territory for us as a society. I've never gotten the appeal of "Miranda sings" she says it's based upon people who try too hard but don't have the talent to back it up. Then why isn't Miranda perfectly gorgeous, with unwaivering confidence but instead Miranda dresses oddly, talks with an odd accent and has a hard time reading the room. Miranda always came across, to me, as maybe a mentally challenged person or some who who would be lower on the autistim spectrum. (I don't mean this in a offending way) the character came across as making fun of someone who mentally had trouble with things. No matter what colleen was an adult talking to a minor, who she knew was a big fan, it was wrong. Someone already said it but if she was a man, she would have been condemned for her actions.
It’s bad enough that she said/did those things in the past, but the fact that those videos are still up/monetized is baffling. It shows she really doesn’t feel bad about what she did. Also, privately messaging a minor? I’m not saying she’s a groomer, but any normal adult would realize how wildly inappropriate that is.
She obviously feels bad about what she did. She sincerely apologized in her video and if you know her you would know how much good she does
I love how her apology is apparently enough, but if the genders were swapped there would be no coming back from this. You can do good and do harm. This relationship was inappropriate- period.
Big Gnome “if you know her” do you know her? like ACTUALLY know her?
I saw a Jojo Siwa tik tok with Colleen saying she’s her bestfriend. That kinda weirds me out. she’s over 30 years old, I understand that her fan base and Jojo’s are kids but She has such a strange relationship with minors... It gives me the creeps
Yeah I don't want to see anyone's kid on RUclips. Ever.
Erica Joy Finally someone said it👍🏽
Ok but he was 14, he was old enough to be on RUclips. Colleen shouldn't have done what she did but people 13+ will continue to use social media because they are teens, we just need more laws to protect them and for grown ass celebrities to stop befriending them
@Erica Joy It's really not surprising, given that her brother had (has?) a family channel that grew in part from her Miranda Sings fame/that she promoted and appeared in.
When I first heard about this situation I immediately thought that she was grooming him. If it was a man who did some of these things with girl, people would be calling for his head. As a parent, it raised red flags all over the place. Even with her explanation, as someone who is around her same age it rubs me the wrong way.
You’ve been looking so beautiful lately! Your skin is glowing and your hair is giving me ethereal vibes 🧚🏼♀️ TY for the amazing content during quarantine ❤️❤️
“why tell that on the internet” 😂 so true.
One of my daughters highschool friends friended me on Snapchat and I was so confused. I blocked him so quick. And another one of her friends use to comment on my pictures on Instagram. It wouldn't be anything inappropriate, but I would never respond. Because we're NOT friends. It's weird as hell.
I don’t like how the excuse is always “oh it was so long ago” like some of these things I can’t imagine ever saying, I don’t care how long ago it was
I feel like she really covered herself in a manipulative way like you said, it’s just overall so creepy. Also your whole look while slaying this commentary is everything 💕🙌🏼
I love your greeting at the start of your videos, it's so sweet and genuine it puts me in the best mood!
Anyone else here after adam mcintyre's videos?
Yeah
You know it
If you’re outraged at Colleen, you have no right to support Shane Dawson and Jeffree Star. Point blank periodt.
iSAiAH MoReL all 3 of them are TRASH
I always found i incredibly strange that Colleen shouted so much about being 'friends' with Jojo siwa... Jojo is literally a child. It's a strange pattern to be 'friends' with children as an adult
This comment needs more attention
She's probably using that friendship to expand her kid audience for Miranda Sings. It's networking.
Its networking..
I actually think they’re related
@@mariashaki89 even so, that's pretty exploitative. jojo really seems to really think they're friends
Great to see smart person reviewing this messy situation and having real and balanced viewpoint. Very good points and advice, Colleen should definitely watch this and seriously reflect her actions.
honestly.. it makes me wonder what other youtubers back in the day were being inappropriate with their fans because I was never rlly into miranda sings/Colleen, but I was an occasional watcher. What's also surprising is that I didn't even know this whole situation had come to light since 2020. It's crazy how Colleen was able to get away with this for so long, and extremely disappointing that so many big RUclipsrs were defending her 3 years ago.. from my perspective Adam was definitely silenced.
Are people actually still hating Colleen after her apology?! Her apology was one of the most sincere and genuine apology I have ever watched. She addressed everything, she didn’t blame anyone but herself, she explained everything, and she didn’t even put ads on her apology. She was very mature and genuine