I noticed this watch when it was released in Japan not long ago. Came so close to buying from Japan, but at this price point, I dont want alignment issues or loose end links. Im opting for a MarineMaster instead, as they put a little more care into those and it is a bit more iconic...still, gorgeous watch....especially that grey....
My MM300 SLA023 had the same loose end links unfortunately, plus the end links don't match the lug design , So I ended up fitting a StrapCode Engineer 2 bracelet to it 1 to fit the lugs better 2 to help with the top heavy case . But it the end I sold it was the second time I'd had a MM300 but can't me going back again Brian
Like these upgraded King Sumos, not sure enough to swap my Gen 3 Sumo. Bracelet looks improved which was needed! Not seen any other reviews of these yet so thanks!
Owning the SBDC033 I would most likely choose the blue one but both are fantastic watches . The one new aspect of this watch you didn’t mention is these new Sumo models also have diashield or a super hard coating.
Enjoyed your review. Have the blue sumo on wrist now. Have had it for 3 weeks, gains 15sec a day, still waiting for my timegrapher, it's literally on a slow plane from China. Love the blue waves textured dial, stretched the personal finances to buy it, sucked in by the promises of super hardness of the ceremic insert. Best incarnation of the Sumo yet. Best bracelet, milled , looks and functions brilliantly. Very happy Seiko customer. 😁
Stunning watches and nice to see them outdoors where you get a better prospective of the colours. I own 2 of the gen 3 sumos, the hulk and the Pepsi PADI and love wearing these watches and will most certainly be purchasing the new one but which one ? There both beautiful, I’m swaying towards the blue but I’ve a beautiful blue tag so maybe the grey. Great video 👍
They're just so different Sir the UX is a quartz watch were as the Seiko is an automatic , The Sinn costs over double the price . The UX does wear smaller than the Seiko being it has a shorter lug to lug size and is built like a tank , The Seiko has some interesting colours and can look smart due to its polishing were as the Sinn is very much a tool watch and were other companies talk about hundreds of meters when it comes to water resistance Sinn talk about KM , Lots of people just wont spend 2K on a quartz watch which is a shame
@@ClickSpringReview thanks so much for the reply. You make some great points. I’d like to add I think you channel is fantastic, keep the content coming. 👊🏼
It’s a good watch but at £1070 I’d like to see 8 beat per second movement and the screw in crown could feel smoother, Problem I see is Seiko just keeps pulling out watches so many watches maybe it would be better to hold back and sort out the QC more . I think last year they made more that 140 different limited edition models which is just crazy
I would pick the grey version. Mainly because I already have a few blue themed watches. Seiko makes fine watches, but still irritates me that they still don't gives us signed crowns or quality bracelets.
There bracelets as you say aren’t the best plus they still have alinement issues I find and their prices are rising by a fair bit these models are just under £1100
Ya they have shoot up in price that true, at that price Zodiac watches offer some really interesting models and are well worth looking at next time Sir
I have recently acquired (June 2022) the Great Blue Hole which works with the older 6R15. I am still amazed at how comfortable this case is sitting on the wrist and how well it hides its size. Those MM200s also have hardened coating over the steel which they are saying would prevent most scratches. I don't know about the steel, but the black bezel inset which is aluminum and has a resin coat will scratch.
I to have the Great Blue Hole model I’d say it’s the best MM200 to date , The harden steel is about 500 Hv which is pretty tough BUT as you say bezel is a scratch magnet I’ve already had one replace lol
Agreed...a good step but retailing in Australia for $1900 vs $1300 for the standard / outgoing model. Hard to see how ceramic and a milled clasp plus some a.r. on the sapphire is worth $600. Love Seiko and have plenty of them including a gen 3 Sumo but these watches are getting a bit too expensive.
I think I will approach the contributor's feelings now. At the beginning of this year, I once reset all my collections by cutting them off. So I was able to buy ORIENT's 60th anniversary temaki at Deadstock. What I found out when I let go of it was that I liked it so much that I wanted to buy it back again.One of them was sumo. Rather than getting the exact same thing back I'm curious about another version. So I was most curious about 177 Dawn Grey. Originally, the case shape, which is more modern than classical, includes the AR (inner surface) coating of glass, and the glittering ceramic bezel is considered the best combination.And it's not too flashy, it's not too loud, it's not too loud, it's the gradation of the dial, it's dawn, it's patterned, it's the color that makes you look like a Taupe color (or bronze or gray) with angle and light. I liked the texture of the bracelet even though it was from the previous generation, but I'm also happy that it's improved.(In particular, the triple fold changed from milling cutter to mill clasp.).Sometimes it actually bends...) a dresswatch a pair of divers (For fun, moon phase models, etc.) For me now, I had other candidates for a diver's model. sbdc101.163.125.109 and ORIENTSTAR's RK-AU0601B It's classic and retro, and it's my preference, RK-AU0601B A modern-tasting sbdc177. Both are beautiful and chic. I'm starting to get my mind fixed I'd like to compare them again. I used the old model once, so I love it. Either way, King Turtle I'm thinking of buying sbdy063 lol Of course, at that time, I think I will buy two bottles, either Smow or 1964 reproduction or King Turtle. While watching the current Kingsmow video again Looking back at my past posts and the contributors' replies, I felt like I wanted to tell them. Sorry for the rambling and long sentences*
@@ClickSpringReview @Click Spring thank you for noticing my comment. Have you ever experienced a turtle or a monster bracelet? This sounds exactly the same. First, although the links are solid, they are very rigid. They don't flow like a curtain, but like a metal chain on the wrist. I don't mean just how it wraps around your wrist, but also how it moves side to side. It's not comfortable, which I'm fine with, but not due this price.For example, zodiac watches make so much better bracelets for under $200 quartz watches, I think they should provide this level of quality. Second, the end link on this should be 22mm, when you have a big watch case, and a tiny bracelet, the watch looks so much bigger, and looks clumsy on a strap or a NATO, do you put it back on the bracelet, which isn't comfortable. Third, the clasp extension is pressed metal, I needn't anything else, which is again ok, if you are trying to present a vintage look, this isn't the case here, especially the milled clasp makes it even more out of place. And the lock for the clasp, usually tend to be shaky and flimsy, I think it's functional, but it's very thin, I never put my watches through enough, maybe someone else can comment on that. Fourth, the the bracelet never matches the watch case color never, expect in Seiko pvd watches with a slight tinge. So it's a watch that looks it's best on a bracelet, that is different in color, shaky and uncomfortable
@@insightman9632 Hi again Adel I’ve just been looking at an older video it did of the Monster Gen 3 and the clasp is different on this watch it looks sharper and fold over section is bigger and has Seiko on it as for diver extension it always looks like an after thought but being a diver I guess it has to have one , I see where your coming from about the size of the bracelet but maybe they want to head of the watch to stand out after all it is known as the Sumo I do find many Seiko’s are let down by there bracelets GS include and this is why companies like StrapCode do so well 👍🏻
@@insightman9632 Well, I have the spb143 and I got to say..The bracelet is pretty damn nice.. Definitely a step in quality even compared to the mm300 I had a few years back (minus the ratcheting mm300 clasp of course).. It's got thicker links and just feels more solid all round..For the price I can't really complain.
@@ClickSpringReview I am talking about two watches SPB321J1 and SPB321 that my brother has. There is no way that Seiko Sumo has +1 sec daily accuracy. Just maybe for a few minutes.
This is the 1st sumo that i like. Especially the blue dial one. 👍
I’m not a big sumo fan it has to be said but this one isn’t bad
Nice design, I like that you show both. Blue for me.
The blue model really does pop 👍🏻
Thank you. First video I've seen of these new watches. The fact that the bezel and chapter ring is aligned on both is encouraging.
I've the new Ruby Presage model video coming out in 3 hours Manatee 👍🏻
I noticed this watch when it was released in Japan not long ago. Came so close to buying from Japan, but at this price point, I dont want alignment issues or loose end links. Im opting for a MarineMaster instead, as they put a little more care into those and it is a bit more iconic...still, gorgeous watch....especially that grey....
My MM300 SLA023 had the same loose end links unfortunately, plus the end links don't match the lug design , So I ended up fitting a StrapCode Engineer 2 bracelet to it 1 to fit the lugs better 2 to help with the top heavy case .
But it the end I sold it was the second time I'd had a MM300 but can't me going back again Brian
The sumo is such a perfect nickname for this watch - that wide bezel!
Yep your right there James and you have to love there nicknames
Like these upgraded King Sumos, not sure enough to swap my Gen 3 Sumo. Bracelet looks improved which was needed! Not seen any other reviews of these yet so thanks!
Anytime Sir glad you liked it
Owning the SBDC033 I would most likely choose the blue one but both are fantastic watches . The one new aspect of this watch you didn’t mention is these new Sumo models also have diashield or a super hard coating.
Your right I missed that 🤦🏻♂️
@@ClickSpringReview it’s ok 👍🏻 LOL 😂. I actually tried the blue model on at local Seiko AD . Wow are these new Sumos amazing 🤩
Enjoyed your review. Have the blue sumo on wrist now. Have had it for 3 weeks, gains 15sec a day, still waiting for my timegrapher, it's literally on a slow plane from China. Love the blue waves textured dial, stretched the personal finances to buy it, sucked in by the promises of super hardness of the ceremic insert. Best incarnation of the Sumo yet. Best bracelet, milled , looks and functions brilliantly. Very happy Seiko customer. 😁
Stunning watches and nice to see them outdoors where you get a better prospective of the colours. I own 2 of the gen 3 sumos, the hulk and the Pepsi PADI and love wearing these watches and will most certainly be purchasing the new one but which one ? There both beautiful, I’m swaying towards the blue but I’ve a beautiful blue tag so maybe the grey. Great video 👍
Hi Ashley I always find the outdoor video shots really help with seeing the true colours of a watch which you just don't get with indoor lights,
that grey are stunning and elegant
its a tough one for me as you are right about the grey model but the blue adds that bit of colour to it which I also like
Both are stunning watches ! Thank u for the great review !
Anytime 👍🏻
I have the grey one it is a stunner
Yeah I have to agree as the grey is the colour I'd go for Bryan
@ClickSpringReviews the fume / gradient textured dial w black ceramic is pretty unique.
@@bryanryan4504 Your right Bryan I cant of the top of my head think of any other watch with those colours
Just picked one from the airport, almost missed my flight cos of it, but couldnt let it go 😂❤
King Sumo vs Sinn UX? Would love to read your thoughts.
They're just so different Sir the UX is a quartz watch were as the Seiko is an automatic , The Sinn costs over double the price . The UX does wear smaller than the Seiko being it has a shorter lug to lug size and is built like a tank , The Seiko has some interesting colours and can look smart due to its polishing were as the Sinn is very much a tool watch and were other companies talk about hundreds of meters when it comes to water resistance Sinn talk about KM , Lots of people just wont spend 2K on a quartz watch which is a shame
@@ClickSpringReview thanks so much for the reply. You make some great points. I’d like to add I think you channel is fantastic, keep the content coming. 👊🏼
@@ejjrl1ify Thanks Sir if you like Seiko I have a very special idea coming out in just under 3 hours
Great video , thanks for sharing!
How would you rate this watch ?
It’s a good watch but at £1070 I’d like to see 8 beat per second movement and the screw in crown could feel smoother, Problem I see is Seiko just keeps pulling out watches so many watches maybe it would be better to hold back and sort out the QC more . I think last year they made more that 140 different limited edition models which is just crazy
@@ClickSpringReview thank you for your reply , i might get it here at 1100 usd price which is not too bad for such a watch I believe.
@@sultanmj Sounds good 👍🏻 just check the alinement as I have seen some which don't line up Sir
Sharp pieces can we expect a pelagos 39mm review after all you are Francis and Gayes veteran reviewer
Unfortunately not as F&G aren’t a Tudor dealer which is a shame now being available in 39mm makes it very temping
The blue one.
I would pick the grey version. Mainly because I already have a few blue themed watches.
Seiko makes fine watches, but still irritates me that they still don't gives us signed crowns or quality bracelets.
There bracelets as you say aren’t the best plus they still have alinement issues I find and their prices are rising by a fair bit these models are just under £1100
I just bought the blue one today but still think it's rather expensive.
Ya they have shoot up in price that true, at that price Zodiac watches offer some really interesting models and are well worth looking at next time Sir
Stunning watches. I love the grey. Gutted that I will never be able pull these off on my 6.5” wrist 😢
They are big watches Sub there no getting away from that I'm afraid
This is the best watch, produced in serie, made in world, of all time. Relation quality, design, price is very hight. It's a Seiko.
Just a shame they could only line the bezel up on one of them Sir
@@ClickSpringReview I didn't understand what you meant, could you explain, please?
@@joeventura one of the models the bezel didn’t line up which is a shame on a watch costing over £1100 Joe
will look so much better with a signed crown.
Interesting as some people really don’t like a signed crown but I’m with you on that one Eugene
I have recently acquired (June 2022) the Great Blue Hole which works with the older 6R15.
I am still amazed at how comfortable this case is sitting on the wrist and how well it hides its size.
Those MM200s also have hardened coating over the steel which they are saying would prevent most scratches.
I don't know about the steel, but the black bezel inset which is aluminum and has a resin coat will scratch.
I to have the Great Blue Hole model I’d say it’s the best MM200 to date , The harden steel is about 500 Hv which is pretty tough BUT as you say bezel is a scratch magnet I’ve already had one replace lol
@@ClickSpringReview any chance you can compare and wear it out door? The blue one and the new king sumo
@@ryanchow3728 I do wear them outside in the video Ryan
I think the bezel is ceramic !
@@dvdk6543 These new ones are ceramic but the great blue hole isnt
Two piece of jewellery 👏
Sapphire and milled clasp good steps forward
Unfortunately at a price, in the UK the RRP £1070
Agreed...a good step but retailing in Australia for $1900 vs $1300 for the standard / outgoing model. Hard to see how ceramic and a milled clasp plus some a.r. on the sapphire is worth $600.
Love Seiko and have plenty of them including a gen 3 Sumo but these watches are getting a bit too expensive.
El calibre 6R35 no son exactos, a medida que pierde reserva de marcha aumenta su desajuste. SALUDOS 👏👏🇪🇸
Esto puede suceder, pero mis relojes 6R han estado bien, señor. 👍🏻
New PADI is the best of the three.
Unfortunately I’ve not got to see the padi yet Sir
Finally a milled clasp
And a Sapphire crystal 👍🏻
Gray
Good choice
初代を愛でるか！
its ok but I prefer the this one Sir
I think I will approach the contributor's feelings now.
At the beginning of this year, I once reset all my collections by cutting them off.
So I was able to buy ORIENT's 60th anniversary temaki at Deadstock.
What I found out when I let go of it was that I liked it so much that I wanted to buy it back again.One of them was sumo.
Rather than getting the exact same thing back
I'm curious about another version.
So I was most curious about 177 Dawn Grey.
Originally, the case shape, which is more modern than classical, includes the AR (inner surface) coating of glass, and the glittering ceramic bezel is considered the best combination.And it's not too flashy, it's not too loud, it's not too loud, it's the gradation of the dial, it's dawn, it's patterned, it's the color that makes you look like a Taupe color (or bronze or gray) with angle and light.
I liked the texture of the bracelet even though it was from the previous generation, but I'm also happy that it's improved.(In particular, the triple fold changed from milling cutter to mill clasp.).Sometimes it actually bends...)
a dresswatch
a pair of divers
(For fun, moon phase models, etc.)
For me now, I had other candidates for a diver's model.
sbdc101.163.125.109
and ORIENTSTAR's
RK-AU0601B
It's classic and retro, and it's my preference, RK-AU0601B
A modern-tasting sbdc177.
Both are beautiful and chic.
I'm starting to get my mind fixed
I'd like to compare them again.
I used the old model once, so I love it.
Either way, King Turtle
I'm thinking of buying sbdy063 lol
Of course, at that time, I think I will buy two bottles, either Smow or 1964 reproduction or King Turtle.
While watching the current Kingsmow video again
Looking back at my past posts and the contributors' replies, I felt like I wanted to tell them.
Sorry for the rambling and long sentences*
Nice watches but they are too big to fit me. I bought a Depth Charge.
Whats the depth charge Jerry ?
@Click Spring Reviews UK company seiko movement...a bit smaller. I'm happy with it.
Bob’s watch needs winding 👆
I give him just one job to do Tomsterr you just can't the staff these days 😁
Looks better, but I can hear how cheap the bracelet is. Ok fine a terrible movement, but at least perfect the look
What do you not like about the bracelet Adel out of interest ? Plus how would you improve it ?
@@ClickSpringReview @Click Spring thank you for noticing my comment. Have you ever experienced a turtle or a monster bracelet? This sounds exactly the same.
First, although the links are solid, they are very rigid. They don't flow like a curtain, but like a metal chain on the wrist. I don't mean just how it wraps around your wrist, but also how it moves side to side. It's not comfortable, which I'm fine with, but not due this price.For example, zodiac watches make so much better bracelets for under $200 quartz watches, I think they should provide this level of quality.
Second, the end link on this should be 22mm, when you have a big watch case, and a tiny bracelet, the watch looks so much bigger, and looks clumsy on a strap or a NATO, do you put it back on the bracelet, which isn't comfortable.
Third, the clasp extension is pressed metal, I needn't anything else, which is again ok, if you are trying to present a vintage look, this isn't the case here, especially the milled clasp makes it even more out of place. And the lock for the clasp, usually tend to be shaky and flimsy, I think it's functional, but it's very thin, I never put my watches through enough, maybe someone else can comment on that.
Fourth, the the bracelet never matches the watch case color never, expect in Seiko pvd watches with a slight tinge.
So it's a watch that looks it's best on a bracelet, that is different in color, shaky and uncomfortable
Sorry for my long reply. I should have spent more time to summarize
@@insightman9632 Hi again Adel I’ve just been looking at an older video it did of the Monster Gen 3 and the clasp is different on this watch it looks sharper and fold over section is bigger and has Seiko on it as for diver extension it always looks like an after thought but being a diver I guess it has to have one ,
I see where your coming from about the size of the bracelet but maybe they want to head of the watch to stand out after all it is known as the Sumo
I do find many Seiko’s are let down by there bracelets GS include and this is why companies like StrapCode do so well
👍🏻
@@insightman9632 Well, I have the spb143 and I got to say..The bracelet is pretty damn nice.. Definitely a step in quality even compared to the mm300 I had a few years back (minus the ratcheting mm300 clasp of course).. It's got thicker links and just feels more solid all round..For the price I can't really complain.
That loosely bracelet is so annoying… no difference from my orient which cost me 228SGD
Thats why StarpCode is around Daryl 👍🏻
Terrible accuracy! -10/+40 sec a day
Did you not watch the video ? on the timegrapher it came at 1 sec a day
@@ClickSpringReview I am talking about two watches SPB321J1 and SPB321 that my brother has. There is no way that Seiko Sumo has +1 sec daily accuracy. Just maybe for a few minutes.
Thats fair enough the one I had was pretty impressive but its very much pot luck with Seiko