I totally agree with your insights. If they would make their lights with a more universal tail cap then they could and would sell a lot more. Because if you have one system for all then you have a game changer.
Also just as a thought that I had while watching this is I like the screw in connector for the like. As you stated it could be mounted on a tripod or something and just left there. As it is magnetic you can just take the light with you. However then you do leave your “charger “ behind in that case and so you then have to have a circular charger for the light at that point.
@@KevinHamilton-c3u I like that you can have the charger cap left on a tripod and just slip the light in and out. I think the point made in the video in that regard is a valid one, why not have essentially the same holster as the Seeker 4 Pro. I don't need a big hole in the bottom of the holster, it is not like I can reverse the light. Then one would have two ways to use a USB C charging cable, and if you had a MCC-3 cable, that would give one a third way to charge the light. Having an option to have a different interchangeable cap is also a good idea. It is possible that all these products are in different development lines and so all innovations from one line do not make it to the other line before introduction. For example, the Seeker 4 side switch would be ideal on the Prowess. I like the Prowess a lot, but I already miss the Seeker 4 side switch AND the choice for a neutral white front output.
The OS flashlight is best for our purpose & mods application for our gliders. Yes, night gliding is fun & challenging but we mostly use it for rescue applications and the flashlight is a great addition after we butcher it to our specifications. Cheers maestro from Australia.
I've had the smaller multitool, the Otacle K1 for a few months now. It's the size of a SAK classic keychain tool. It has blade, can/bottle opener w/a flathead tip, scissors & tweezer. It lacks Phillips head, awl, file, etc. But is so compact & has held up very well. Considering the larger model now. Quality is great.
Agreed. I've been using olight for 14 years or so. For work, personal and emergency. Always been dependable for me as long as I remember to charge it LOL but now have a few of their mag chargers so never really an issue
When going with olight it just means you have to get used to their magnetic chargers... thats why i love the oport keychain adapter so much! Than you always have a magnetic charger(head) whenever you have a usb c cable
the prowess def should have used high cri on the belly, they should have also added a magnetic ring on the head for mounting, and because it features a flood on the belly the main light should have gone with higher candela.
I prefer the original multi tool from roxon in G10 because it will have better grip in a work environment that aluminum will slip on a job site and corrode.
I e used a lot of olight flashlights but I always go to something else because of little quirks. Like the pl mini 1 I had it and switched to a streamlight tlr-7 because I could swap batteries faster than charge the unit. Now they have the pl mini 3 with swappable battery so I’ll try it again. They’re definitely learning and making their products better
Haven't gotten my hands on the prowess yet, but I love the warm emitter on the olanterns. Hi, CRI has its place and is very useful but this warmer amber color is more cozy with better ambiance
Compact weapon lights might as well be "shoot here" beacons. It's worth the weight to get closer to blinding light. Also, some amount of flood is necessary to allow lighting up a room with splash while low ready - to avoid potentially flagging a friendly. To summarize; you really don't want to walk around pointing a loaded weapon into the darkness with an itty bitty night light under neath it
The KS2E is a nice little tool. Not sure if the cheaper materials are worth the discount, tbh. My only real complaint: I think a wood saw that small is pointless. Wish something else occupied that space.
I love Olight. Bought the Prowess with the essentially free tripod, and won a Marauder Mini case from their spinny prize wheel. Looks like it'll be a fantastic casual camp light. I wish they would bring back the Oport.
I’ve found the Odin S to be an excellent pistol light for concealed carry (especially with the remote tape switch). My .500 S&W 7.5” Performance Center with Trijicon ACOG prints significantly less when carrying appendix (AIWB) with this light versus using my X300 Turbo! The X300 is just too wide! @KentuckyBallistics
I don’t really understand the “pocket clip on the wrong side”. I have the KS2E, and prefer it the way it is; the pocket clip under and between my fingers instead of digging into my palm. Is the problem that if the knife slips out in your pocket, it has free reign on your hip/belly?
I really like the prowess with the two different modes. Looks like a great option. I feel like Olight is so close to having usb-c integration in all of their lights. Like there's a light that literally has a usb-c port in the bottom, they have the capability to do it so why not just use that in every other 21700 flashlight? Seems like they're teetering on the edge of usb-c and magnetic charging and aren't sure which side they want to stick with. And also, get rid of the proprietary batteries so we can use other batteries if needed.
With weapon lights, you dont need a straight 20 mins of light at the highest setting. A weapon light is meant to be used periodically to identify targets in low light situations, not to stay constantly on
I think one of the advantages of a rifle light over a pistol light is that you can mount the light further out of the way and put the tape switch where you can access it without adjusting your grip. I've actually been using a Streamlight TLR1 for years, so it can work with the right design, but some of them can be awkward depending on how the switch is positioned. Another thing I really like about the new Odin is the dual-fuel capability. I absolutely hate the idea of a weapon light with a built-in or proprietary battery. You should aways have the option to throw in a readily available battery if it dies on you unexpectedly. I also like that they're potting their electronics now. I can't believe they just started doing this.
👍Great review Dominic . Just 1 comment on the stepdown time on the Odin S. 3 mins is plenty for taking a shot. Nobody should be using a light mounted on a weapon as a searchlight.
The Seeker 4 and Seeker 4 Pro tailcaps are not interchangeable. I have both, at least for now. The Seeker 4 tailcap intrudes into the body farther than the Seeker 4 Pro tailcap. When you put the Seeker 4 Pro tailcap on the Seeker 4, the battery does not make connection with the tailcap, it rattles around in the body and the flashlight wont turn on. Likewise, the Seeker 4 tailcap won’t even screw on to the Seeker 4 Pro because it can’t go into the body far enough to meet the threads on the body. Another missed opportunity. What were they thinking?
I love olight. I don't know why people complain about magnetic charging. Also they have adaptors that will let u charge ANY of there lights by type C.. look at there accessories page.
If you lose it or break it you have to purchase it again and again and again from olight while 99.9% of human beings have at least one universal cable and you can purchase them everywhere.
Thanks for your review. I'll probably pass on the Prowess for now. At $21 on sale, I'll probably pick up an OKS2, since I don't already have a Roxon KS2. I wonder why they give a 2-year warranty on the Roxon-based multitool rather than the lifetime warranty they give on their Nextool-based multitools. You also get a free i3E EOS flashlight (blue or black) during the current sale.
Well the weapon light is for a ar style rifle, the smaller one that you showed was for a pistol. You wouldn't be able to actuate it on a rifle, you need that switch
Can't find the link but is it HR Funk's review of the RDS? It is an interesting concept but a short battery run time on a weapons sight is probably not a wise choice. Better to have a multiyear battery the swap one a year?
It has shake awake, so it's going to last longer than you think. Assuming you carry it everyday and give it no chance to shut off, your run time would be about two weeks. Will a Trijicon last for two weeks on a 2032 without ever being shut off? I doubt it.
@@maxlvledc I found it. I would recommend adding two HR Funk videos. The main video is tested on a pistol and he did a follow up on a 12 gauge to see how it held up under stout recoil.
Bought a couple Olight products that said 1,000 lumen. They were no where near as bright as the Streamlight flashlight I have with the same lumen claim. Maybe 25% of the brightness to my eye. Disappointing.
Boggles my mind why Olight is so against using high CRI emitters. They've only made a few flashlights with high CRI, like the i5R. It can't cost them a ton of money to use good quality emitters like Nichia 519A.
Do you think their lack of design continuity and compatibility is because they don't design anything in house? Seems like they outsource or just rebrand a lot of products, and wonder if that results in what appears to be obvious missed opportunities to integrate shared components across their product line.
It's so annoying when companies go the business way. I can see the suits planning extra bucks in sales because Olight are so popular manly in the US. Like Apple did and when we get flashlights that have integrated batteries. We used to get to buy just another battery if the battery was funkt on our Nokias or Samsungs. The thought is always make worse stuff so we buy more.
The only reason I don’t purchase from olight is the charger. I don’t know if that’s necessary for the design or what but imagine if you lost/broke it or don’t have it with you during emergency. You can easy borrow or purchase a universal cable everywhere but not the olight charger.
This is Olight tradition. A great concept with some poor executions then next year they release a second generation with fancy colors, improving one of the design faults, increasing a little output. And then the 3rd, 4th generations....
having to make a account is kind of like hitting their subscribe button. After buying something from 0-light and seeing the quality and value i think most buyers will be repeat customers which means your not a guest any more
Too many products. Olight got confused themselves. You're 100 right about unification of charging etc features. Too gimmicky now and confusing. Stick to best and improve if needed the true is its already good so.. thanks friend, glad you didn't sugar coat it bc you're their ambassador 😮
Olight lost me as customr when they went for proprietary charging solutions rather than Type C. And type c as an afterthought is not good enoughl It should be on the light itself. I have USB chargers with me and I really do not appreciate the need to carry extra cables of adapters or charging cradles or something like this. An USB-C charging today usually means that it can act as powerbank if needed to charge other devices or use a power bacnk to extend the runtime of the light. USB-C makes so many devices integrate well with each other. Innovation I am looking for would be making the USB-port well protected against dirt and water. Also very useful features on flashlights would be the 1/4 inch screw in socket and potentially magnets to attch the light to something.
5cr? Man.. it’s 2024! I wish these companies would use at least 9cr. Even 8cr is pretty dang good when heat treated correctly. But 5cr is just trash imo.
Olight is kind of like apple, you have to be in their whole system to take real advantage of their products. They don't work that well as one-off purchase.
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Nice - you just named it for them. Scissor + Tweezer = Sweezer.
He said seezer tho
I was at the launch, they had them available to test out.. very impressed with their new offerings.
I totally agree with your insights. If they would make their lights with a more universal tail cap then they could and would sell a lot more. Because if you have one system for all then you have a game changer.
Also just as a thought that I had while watching this is I like the screw in connector for the like. As you stated it could be mounted on a tripod or something and just left there. As it is magnetic you can just take the light with you. However then you do leave your “charger “ behind in that case and so you then have to have a circular charger for the light at that point.
@@KevinHamilton-c3u I like that you can have the charger cap left on a tripod and just slip the light in and out. I think the point made in the video in that regard is a valid one, why not have essentially the same holster as the Seeker 4 Pro. I don't need a big hole in the bottom of the holster, it is not like I can reverse the light. Then one would have two ways to use a USB C charging cable, and if you had a MCC-3 cable, that would give one a third way to charge the light. Having an option to have a different interchangeable cap is also a good idea. It is possible that all these products are in different development lines and so all innovations from one line do not make it to the other line before introduction. For example, the Seeker 4 side switch would be ideal on the Prowess. I like the Prowess a lot, but I already miss the Seeker 4 side switch AND the choice for a neutral white front output.
The OS flashlight is best for our purpose & mods application for our gliders. Yes, night gliding is fun & challenging but we mostly use it for rescue applications and the flashlight is a great addition after we butcher it to our specifications. Cheers maestro from Australia.
I've had the smaller multitool, the Otacle K1 for a few months now. It's the size of a SAK classic keychain tool. It has blade, can/bottle opener w/a flathead tip, scissors & tweezer. It lacks Phillips head, awl, file, etc. But is so compact & has held up very well. Considering the larger model now. Quality is great.
Got both yesterday. Looking forward to it.
Olight make such amazing flashlights. Such an underrated brand overall!
Agreed. I've been using olight for 14 years or so. For work, personal and emergency.
Always been dependable for me as long as I remember to charge it LOL but now have a few of their mag chargers so never really an issue
When going with olight it just means you have to get used to their magnetic chargers... thats why i love the oport keychain adapter so much! Than you always have a magnetic charger(head) whenever you have a usb c cable
Oh I didn't know that something like that existed. Thanks mate appreciate it :)
That prowess is amazing. A little pricey, but versatile.
the prowess def should have used high cri on the belly, they should have also added a magnetic ring on the head for mounting, and because it features a flood on the belly the main light should have gone with higher candela.
Prowess, multi-tool and a few others arrived. All pretty cool so far!
Olight should make that cap for all their flashlights!
I prefer the original multi tool from roxon in G10 because it will have better grip in a work environment that aluminum will slip on a job site and corrode.
The multitool at $20 is not too shabby. Thanks for sharing Dom
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Yea but I would pay a bit more for better one.
I e used a lot of olight flashlights but I always go to something else because of little quirks. Like the pl mini 1 I had it and switched to a streamlight tlr-7 because I could swap batteries faster than charge the unit. Now they have the pl mini 3 with swappable battery so I’ll try it again. They’re definitely learning and making their products better
Haven't gotten my hands on the prowess yet, but I love the warm emitter on the olanterns. Hi, CRI has its place and is very useful but this warmer amber color is more cozy with better ambiance
Got the original k2 Elite best EDC choice i ever made. The only thing i like about the remake of the K2 is the new shape
Compact weapon lights might as well be "shoot here" beacons.
It's worth the weight to get closer to blinding light.
Also, some amount of flood is necessary to allow lighting up a room with splash while low ready - to avoid potentially flagging a friendly.
To summarize; you really don't want to walk around pointing a loaded weapon into the darkness with an itty bitty night light under neath it
The KS2E is a nice little tool. Not sure if the cheaper materials are worth the discount, tbh. My only real complaint: I think a wood saw that small is pointless. Wish something else occupied that space.
They should have put the rotary switch from a seeker 4 pro on the prowess as well. It seems perfectly suited for that light.
@1:45 seezers that hold the tweezers love it
I love Olight. Bought the Prowess with the essentially free tripod, and won a Marauder Mini case from their spinny prize wheel.
Looks like it'll be a fantastic casual camp light.
I wish they would bring back the Oport.
You got me excited 😢 I thought they made a mini arkfield lol
Great review - and Hail Caesar Arm!
Per the Olight website, the OKS2 is 4116 throughout. So same as the KS2 Elite except for the blade, scales. Also no bit kit.
Oh??? I missed this!
100% they NEED to make more lights worl together
Multitool looks nice ! Can we have a review on the rovyvon E30 pro?
I just bought the flashlight last night and got the tool for only $7 more! That was a no brainer
I’ve found the Odin S to be an excellent pistol light for concealed carry (especially with the remote tape switch). My .500 S&W 7.5” Performance Center with Trijicon ACOG prints significantly less when carrying appendix (AIWB) with this light versus using my X300 Turbo! The X300 is just too wide! @KentuckyBallistics
Now I'm patiently awaiting a prowess 2 or seeker 5
I don’t really understand the “pocket clip on the wrong side”. I have the KS2E, and prefer it the way it is; the pocket clip under and between my fingers instead of digging into my palm. Is the problem that if the knife slips out in your pocket, it has free reign on your hip/belly?
Do the the blade/blades lock open (eg UK legal carry)?
I really like the prowess with the two different modes. Looks like a great option.
I feel like Olight is so close to having usb-c integration in all of their lights. Like there's a light that literally has a usb-c port in the bottom, they have the capability to do it so why not just use that in every other 21700 flashlight?
Seems like they're teetering on the edge of usb-c and magnetic charging and aren't sure which side they want to stick with.
And also, get rid of the proprietary batteries so we can use other batteries if needed.
With weapon lights, you dont need a straight 20 mins of light at the highest setting. A weapon light is meant to be used periodically to identify targets in low light situations, not to stay constantly on
I think one of the advantages of a rifle light over a pistol light is that you can mount the light further out of the way and put the tape switch where you can access it without adjusting your grip. I've actually been using a Streamlight TLR1 for years, so it can work with the right design, but some of them can be awkward depending on how the switch is positioned. Another thing I really like about the new Odin is the dual-fuel capability. I absolutely hate the idea of a weapon light with a built-in or proprietary battery. You should aways have the option to throw in a readily available battery if it dies on you unexpectedly. I also like that they're potting their electronics now. I can't believe they just started doing this.
yea, I think the battery thing is a big deal.
👍Great review Dominic . Just 1 comment on the stepdown time on the Odin S. 3 mins is plenty for taking a shot. Nobody should be using a light mounted on a weapon as a searchlight.
Fair fair
I think the new light has a different tail cap so that you can charge it while it is standing.
That makes sense actually . But why be different dimensions than what can be used with the other holster?
The Seeker 4 and Seeker 4 Pro tailcaps are not interchangeable. I have both, at least for now. The Seeker 4 tailcap intrudes into the body farther than the Seeker 4 Pro tailcap. When you put the Seeker 4 Pro tailcap on the Seeker 4, the battery does not make connection with the tailcap, it rattles around in the body and the flashlight wont turn on. Likewise, the Seeker 4 tailcap won’t even screw on to the Seeker 4 Pro because it can’t go into the body far enough to meet the threads on the body. Another missed opportunity. What were they thinking?
The roxon version is just better. More grip, usable during winter without gloves, and you can file the handles back for better access to tools
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I wish a big company like Olight would make an affordable and small LEP.
Wtf is a LEP?
@@AutieTortie it's a flashlight with a narrow beam that shines a long distance
I think the guy that brought home the mogwai imvented that
I love olight. I don't know why people complain about magnetic charging. Also they have adaptors that will let u charge ANY of there lights by type C.. look at there accessories page.
If you lose it or break it you have to purchase it again and again and again from olight while 99.9% of human beings have at least one universal cable and you can purchase them everywhere.
Thanks for your review. I'll probably pass on the Prowess for now. At $21 on sale, I'll probably pick up an OKS2, since I don't already have a Roxon KS2. I wonder why they give a 2-year warranty on the Roxon-based multitool rather than the lifetime warranty they give on their Nextool-based multitools. You also get a free i3E EOS flashlight (blue or black) during the current sale.
What pistol light olight has that's constant output? They all drop after a minute and drastically low.
The one I was referring to drops to 60% at three minutes. That was definitely not right.
Well the weapon light is for a ar style rifle, the smaller one that you showed was for a pistol. You wouldn't be able to actuate it on a rifle, you need that switch
I'm waiting on Reylight to have a sale, do you know when they'll have one or a good guess?
no idea.
Can't find the link but is it HR Funk's review of the RDS?
It is an interesting concept but a short battery run time on a weapons sight is probably not a wise choice. Better to have a multiyear battery the swap one a year?
It has shake awake, so it's going to last longer than you think. Assuming you carry it everyday and give it no chance to shut off, your run time would be about two weeks. Will a Trijicon last for two weeks on a 2032 without ever being shut off? I doubt it.
@@transtubular It is two weeks at it's max setting and a trijicom will last 3 months at full power.
Isn't it in description?
@@maxlvledc I found it. I would recommend adding two HR Funk videos. The main video is tested on a pistol and he did a follow up on a 12 gauge to see how it held up under stout recoil.
@@johnshepherd9676 Constantly on full power for three months? Never getting to power down?
Bought a couple Olight products that said 1,000 lumen. They were no where near as bright as the Streamlight flashlight I have with the same lumen claim. Maybe 25% of the brightness to my eye. Disappointing.
Welcome to China standards 😄
They’re okay. I will stick with my Surefire’s my Stilleto Pro.
Boggles my mind why Olight is so against using high CRI emitters. They've only made a few flashlights with high CRI, like the i5R. It can't cost them a ton of money to use good quality emitters like Nichia 519A.
They need to replace the saw with a flathead/prybar.
If you don't like warm light... It's clear that you don't USE your lights. Maybe you just shine them around to see how bright they are.
I like the Prowess, but I cant spend the money right now
I guess olight watches your channel to choose OEM Multitools they want to sell under their brand, haha
Why doesnt olight use 519a
damn good question, or 519S
Do you think their lack of design continuity and compatibility is because they don't design anything in house? Seems like they outsource or just rebrand a lot of products, and wonder if that results in what appears to be obvious missed opportunities to integrate shared components across their product line.
they design all their lights inhouse, only the other items are rebranded.
Bummer seeker pro holsters and prowess are not compatible.
It's so annoying when companies go the business way. I can see the suits planning extra bucks in sales because Olight are so popular manly in the US. Like Apple did and when we get flashlights that have integrated batteries. We used to get to buy just another battery if the battery was funkt on our Nokias or Samsungs. The thought is always make worse stuff so we buy more.
bro be thinking about the roman empire a bit too much I think
Caesar? Et tu Brute?
I got a defective new light !
that weapons light is not a pistol light so they arent comparable
The proprietary stuff is annoying, it’s all about parting you from your money. Still, I may buy that light for camp,,,
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The only reason I don’t purchase from olight is the charger. I don’t know if that’s necessary for the design or what but imagine if you lost/broke it or don’t have it with you during emergency. You can easy borrow or purchase a universal cable everywhere but not the olight charger.
This is Olight tradition. A great concept with some poor executions then next year they release a second generation with fancy colors, improving one of the design faults, increasing a little output. And then the 3rd, 4th generations....
I avoid olight because of their low cri
having to make a account is kind of like hitting their subscribe button. After buying something from 0-light and seeing the quality and value i think most buyers will be repeat customers which means your not a guest any more
Definitely a disconnect between the design team, marketing team, engineering team and common sense.
I’ll let you use my seeezor
Great how olight lights double as hand grenades
great how people do actual research about stories before reposting them lol.
Too many products. Olight got confused themselves. You're 100 right about unification of charging etc features. Too gimmicky now and confusing. Stick to best and improve if needed the true is its already good so.. thanks friend, glad you didn't sugar coat it bc you're their ambassador 😮
I plain refuse to buy a flashlight with a proprietary charging system. It doesn't matter how good it is.
Oh wow the chinese made a left handed multitool
Olight lost me as customr when they went for proprietary charging solutions rather than Type C. And type c as an afterthought is not good enoughl It should be on the light itself. I have USB chargers with me and I really do not appreciate the need to carry extra cables of adapters or charging cradles or something like this. An USB-C charging today usually means that it can act as powerbank if needed to charge other devices or use a power bacnk to extend the runtime of the light. USB-C makes so many devices integrate well with each other. Innovation I am looking for would be making the USB-port well protected against dirt and water.
Also very useful features on flashlights would be the 1/4 inch screw in socket and potentially magnets to attch the light to something.
They are starting to go with Type C rather than proprietary charging thanks to the EU and the EU court.
@@PittiesAndMore I really hope so, because apart from the charging mess, the Olight flashlights are actually quite interesting.
5cr? Man.. it’s 2024! I wish these companies would use at least 9cr. Even 8cr is pretty dang good when heat treated correctly. But 5cr is just trash imo.
turns out the whole thing is in German 4116, way better actually.
Ceasar
Olight and their proprietary crap, lost of other companies with better products.
Right. And I've broken every Olight I've had, except for an i3t lol my Streamlight Macrostream has outlived them all.
Olight is kind of like apple, you have to be in their whole system to take real advantage of their products. They don't work that well as one-off purchase.
What system are you talking about? Using recharging batteries? Everything they have can be used as a one off without issue
I feel that that their keychain, AA, & AAA lights work well on their own. They use standard chargers or standard batteries.
I’m confused. When I had only one O’light flashlight, I was able to take advantage of that product. It was, and still is, a great flashlight.
Theh have a bunch of normal aa/aaa lights that are just fine. Even highly recommended
This guy's doesn't know what he's talking about
Sadly locking multitools are a no bc of German law :/