Should You Go To Music School To Learn Jazz?
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I filmed this video just a few hours before it going online so there were many things I wish I could have talked about but I didn’t get to. I also want to clarify that it almost seems like I am saying to not go to music school but, in fact, as I said towards the end: if I could afford it (keyword), I’d do it. The other key word is that I wouldn’t be going to LEARN how to play jazz (or any other style). I would go there for the environment, and the community of like minded people. When you start “jazz” school, you should already know how to play jazz to a certain level. At the end of the day everything boils down to financials. Let’s say you take 2 hours of private lessons with great teachers every single weekday at 60$US an hour for 30 weeks (an academic year), that adds up to 18,000$US. This is already overkill in terms of frequency of lessons. At 2 hours of lessons, 3 times a week for 30 weeks. It becomes 10,800$. Compare these prices to the various tuition fees of various institutions. If you can also attend jam sessions and concerts, 2 hours of lessons 3 times a week with multiple teachers will likely provide a better education than going to a music school. The only way to beat this is if the tuition was significantly cheaper; this is the case for certain institutions, and certain institutions that offer significantly cheaper rates for local residents. Everything in my video boils down to financials. Being a professional musician is extremely difficult, and you have to be realistic and mindful of your financial health. I have seen financial woes destroy lives.
Very good points. And time is free. All it takes is practice and time.
And for the more affordable ones you have to pass the very hard admission exams. It's not like just paying and entering the school.
Bruh!!! I was so ready for that bass solo from the intro! I feel like I just had a cold bucket of water dumped on my head hahaha
I used to be very upset that I didn't go to music school. Maybe if I was offered a full scholarship I would go now.. But I am often getting hired to teach music workshops at colleges now, and still no degree.. My friend a very accomplished jazz guitarist(also fairly well known) is completely self taught and he teaches jazz courses at a college.. with no degree...
I don’t know about America but I think in Canadian universities, if you teach there and you don’t have a degree, your salary will be lower. The higher the degree, the higher the salary. There was a famous local sax player who was the big boss teacher at a university, he didn’t have a degree, and so at one point, he decided to get his degree(s) to get a higher salary, he ended up having to study with all his former students hahhaa, but they fast tracked him
@@DenisChangMusic no, you pretty much have to have a degree. I have applied for jobs at music schools(non accredited teaching children) and they refuse to hire me or even interview me because I don't have a degree.
That being said, colleges will still hire me to do 3 days of workshops with students 😂, and teach them "jazz".....
My playing has improved so much by transcribing lessons from your DC Music school for ~$80. It’s hard to imagine that paying $8,000 or $80,000 would yield a 100x or 1000x improvement.
That's one tasty solo at the beginning.
If you have the time, could you elaborate a little more on what tier 1/level 1 would be? Perhaps, how many tunes should we have memorized? Keys/Scales? Chords? Quality of an improvised solo?
Sure i’ll have to think about that a little bit! Seems this video is a bust too, haha not a popular topic
@@DenisChangMusic Wow thank you so much!
"only YOU can make yourself a good player"
Great vid. Thanks! What is this japanese guitar player's name you talked about? Curious)
Hi Denis, likewise - great video, enjoy your discussion topics, thanks. Also curious to hear who this guitarist is!
In the early 80s I spent $1,600 a year for tuition to study with Ali Akbar Khan, Zakir Hussein et al. Marin County was oozing with master musicians from India. Yes, $1,600.
quality for the price == "bang for the buck"
What about Basel?
Montreal is still the best man
You are speaking the truth. It raises the awkward question of what about these legit players who teach at some of these schools. Those players are great, I'm glad they have the position/benefits of a professor-type job. But if everyone did what they should and learned the old way (basically the jazz apprentice-ship, study/practice on your own, learn on the gig where the other players are journeymen or masters), then no professor jobs for the great players. I just listened to a podcast where Bruce Forman was talking about 10 mother tunes in jazz -- tunes that demonstrate the basic elements and make learning the rest of the bookj easier. Bruce also talked about the old way of learning, and how people come out of music schools thinking the wrong way, such as "what, we've got to learn this tune in every key" when if they learned it by understanding it (the intervals of the melody and of the changes), which would take more study and time, then playing it in any key would not be a big deal. He pointed out that this was a problem created by music schools. Yet he teaches at USC (I'm not begrudging that at all, I'm glad a great guy and great player like Bruce has this kind of support). But it's a whole eco system, which as you point out is not needed and is actually a problem, financially and in other ways.
It’s a tough world out there, and I don’t blame anyone for accepting a job that offers security. I think I would too if they offered me good conditions! Hahaha but it’s true, it’s an awkward situation. Thanks for your comment. I think music schools can be really really good under the right circumstances , such as the Royal Conservatory of Brussels… quite honestly, for an EU resident 350 euros is absolutely nothing. That’s just the money part though, I think music schools need to be completely restructured to make it closer to how people use to learn, but that opens up a huge set of political problems.. Under my system, I wouldn’t allow anyone who couldn’t play professionally to graduate from music schools, and then the music school would be faced with a mob of angry parents/students… As I said in my video, I know of at least one Jazz graduate program on this planet where people can actually sign up without knowing how to play jazz (or barely), and they can also graduate without knowing how to play. This earns them a master’s degree in jazz studies…