I teach Social Studies in Poland in what is called "Innovative class". I lived in the U.S. for 13 years so the American history themes are important to me but it is much more difficult to introduce them to young learners of Polish nationality. I often listen to your lectures - Your passion for the subject paired with clear guidance through the topic inspire me to deliver better class experience. Thanx Tom!
I just found out from my grandmother the other day that Roger Williams is one of my great grandfathers. I’m trying to learn about him as much as possible since I’ve never really known anything about any of my other ancestors.
I'm up to reposting Roger Williams material 3+ times/year. Now I just repost your video. It just really is the best, most concise, most accessible resource, I've been able to find. These are some of our founding arguments. You've helped me understand them better. Thank you so much for all your work. This is just my favorite one 😁
Great Baptist history lesson, Tom! I was raised Baptist myself but never really knew the history or how it was tired to the Founding Fathers. We need a movie or a youtube series at least🙏
The Word “Baptize”: Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
I just found out he is my 10th great grandfather so we are some how related. My dad was adopted so that is why I have the last name Warkentin instead of Williams.
My 9th great grandfather was Stukely Westcott, friend and follower of Roger Williams. I am very interested in the role of religion in history, and particularly in the history of my family ~ thanks for all your info.
The Word “Baptize”: Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Great video. Helped me understand the real REASON my 11th great grandfather came to Plymouth in 1632 as a separatist and then later was a founder of Eastham MA Cape Cod and later a founder of the Baptist Church in Piscataway, NJ. He wanted a “direct” and personal relationship with God.
TOM! I swear I'm not stalking you. My students are reading Williams' Bloudy Tenent on Friday. I'm assigning this video to them. So nice to see your handsome face here on the Tube.
I’ve never been accused of being either baptist or LdS (Mormon) but you seemed to imply that Mormonism is a logical progression from the thinking of Roger Williams. I’d like to point out one major difference. Whereas Roger Williams considered most people to be intelligent enough to form their own opinions about religious beliefs, religious practices and religious prohibitions, Joseph Smith was all about offering people a “package deal” based on the premise that he had special revelation and that, therefore, people should base their religious beliefs, their religious practices and their religious prohibitions on what he taught them.
+Roger Metzger I think the operative word there would be “a” logical conclusion rather than “the” logical conclusion. Any restorationist thinking is reliant on some sort of divine revelation. I would take your point that the LDS Church, with its hierarchical structure, would not have been what a nonconformist like Roger Williams would have had in mind.
Roger Williams, the Founder of the first Baptist Church in 1638, later gave up his ministry because he came to realize that the true Church of Jesus Christ was not then on the earth. Basically, he said, At this time, there is no regularly constituted Church on the earth, nor will there be until new Apostles are sent by the Head of the Church, for whose coming I am seeking. Those new Apostles were sent by God and Christ in 1835, after God and Jesus Christ personally appeared to 14-year-old Joseph Smith in 1820. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Jesus Christ’s one, true Church on the earth, the same Church of Jesus Christ that the Savior organized 2000 years ago, but which fell away within several hundred years, and necessitated God and Christ Restoring it in the latter days.
Amen. "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ" Ephesians 4:11-12
The contrasting reactions of the French and American Revolutions when it comes to religion is interesting. The French and American Revolutions reactions to religious establishment is different. The French revolution was in part a reaction to the corruption of the Catholic Church of France. At first, the revolution protected religious liberty in the Declaration of Rights of Man and Citizen. Starting about 1793, the policy of Dechristianzaton came to place which attempted to destroy the power of the Catholic Church. Churces were looted, statues destroyed, confessional boxes and church bells melted, priests murdered , nuns savagely raped. They even took out the Christian and Jewish Sabbath days by rearanging the callender to a month of three 10 day weeks. What started as a legitmate reaction to corruption of the church turned to horrific persecution of Christians and Catholics in general. What did the founding fathers do? They founding fathers were Christians for the most part. Some like Jefferson has some problem with some doctrines of Christianity but altogether shared a belief in a Creator. The American Revolution was a partly in response to the Anglican Church. But did the American founding fathers persecute religion? No. They establish what I would call a pure form of Christianity. One that does not require state establishment or state sanction. History shows when the church controls the government, the church corrupts the government.When the government controls the church, the government corrupts the church. Both formulas results in persecution of religious minority. The Founding Fathers created a system in which the Government can not "establish a religion or prohibit the free exercise of religion". Does this mean that they meant for religious morality to have no place in governent? No. But niether church or state has the power and this frees the people to practice thier religious beliefs unmolested and freely. The genius of our founding fathers is extraordinary.
The big difference between the two, just like most differences between the American Revolution and other revolutions is who is leading it. In America the rich and well off lead the revolution for the poor and middle class of the new country, but in the French Revolution the poor lead the revolution for themselves. The poor decided to rid themselves of any rich oppression, while in America, the "rich oppression (it's a comparison)" set themselves up for the poor.
The American Revolution was a collective effort of rich and poor, men and women, young and old, generals and common soldiers, even slaves like James Anderson. Was the American Revolution perfect and spotless? No. The Founding Fathers did the best they could with the complex situations they had and created a republic of laws and not a pure democracy by Majority. Founding Fathers like Washington, Jefferson, and Hamilton, and others died broke. Washington was so broke by 1789, that when he was traveling to New York to be innaugurated President, he had to borrow money from a friend to pay his traveling expenses. The French Revolution started with the tyranny of the King, then tyranny of majority/murderous mob, then tyranny of the Committee of Public Safety, then eventually tyranny of Bonaparte, then back to monarchy.
+Zachary Clark Here I'm gonna try to clarify what I meant. American Revolution = Local Establishment and Citizens vs Parliamental, Central Gov't while French Revolution was Poor, Hungry, Desperate Citizens vs Absolute Central Gov't and Establishment
I was raised Baptist but no longer personally adhere to that faith tradition. As I tell my students in class who ask, I am a Christian and I occasionally attend the Church of Irrelevance - not quite as often as I probably should. So in speaking of Baptists in this video, I say this as someone who had a Baptist upbringing and attended a Baptist college but not someone who has any stake in promoting that faith tradition. It very much fascinates me how the United States is the only country in the world that I know of where the Baptist faith tradition has grown organically (as opposed to being a product of aggressive foreign missionary activity).
+HuntingTheEnd V. 😂 It's a joke, buddy! The premise is that it's no one's business what specific religious tradition I belong to, but I felt like your question was relevant since I made some historical judgments about the Baptist faith and its place in American history.
+Tom Richey If I had read all the comments, I wouldn't have wasted my time looking up the Church of Irrelevance on the Internet! 😧😧😧 Great series on Religious freedom, by the way.
Dang that’s such a great point that the baptist belief system is more heavily practiced in America partially because of its focus on individualism and democratic governance, which definitely wouldn’t mesh well in some other areas of the world
I am a descendant of Roger Williams, and I come from a Mormon family. I had never really considered that the religious beliefs of Williams would have any bearing on the LDS church until this video. Interesting!
Baptist are not protestants you said we were the largest protestants denomination we reject that title we do not consider ourselves protestants we are not reformed catholics nor were we ever part of the catholic church anyway great video I enjoyed it
I am a direct descendant of Roger Williams. His descendants joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints at the onset. Still strong in the church!
9:15 According to Joshua 6:1-27, the walls of Jericho fell after the Israelites marched around the city walls once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day then blew their trumpets. lol
So what really happened is that Peter, Paul and a few other guys were watching Mary Magdalene and her friends take their weekly baths in the river. After they left they saw Jesus and John up river and they were playing some kind of naked dunking game. So Peter says, "Hey, what are you guys doing?" Jesus and John were caught off guard so John says, "Oh... um.... I'm dunking Jesus in the river like that story we heard in school about Achilles. You know, make him immortal." So the guys kinda say, "Oh, ok, whatever." As they are walking away Peter says, "Those two are always playing grab ass somewhere while the rest of us men are spying on the ladies." Then Paul says, "That John guy is Batshit Crazy, and now he's playing some naked dunking game with Jesus. I mean.... not that there's anything wrong with that." So from then on they referred to John as "John the Batshit". Move ahead a few centuries, several different language translations of the story, and "Batshit" became "Baptist". So basically the Baptist religion is based on some Baptist, aka "Batshit", naked gay guys dunking each other in a river.
The Mormons are definitly not the only religious group to discent and strick out from the Puritans. Thereis several other groups that have embraced religious freedom and the right of individual conscience. To name a few: Baptists, Adventists, Jehovah witnesses, ETC.
Mark Dumitry The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not a discent of any church, but a restoration of the church Christ set up when he was on the earth.
@@racheldaquin3281 I don't think we can know the "Original Church" from a historical standpoint. This video by a Religious Studies researcher explains why I think that. "Orthodoxy" versus "Heresy" in Ancient Christianity ruclips.net/video/W80CbmfRt9s/видео.html
how does the most popular group aside from king james then get to mish mash everyone in the u.s. into an absurd "puritans vs. separatists"? was montegue of english countryside a puritan as well?
how can you be a separatist if geneva bible is translation work? separatists from what? et latin, wasn't it the purpose to translate to anglo saxon english instead of using latin?
But what’s interesting, James, is that in Acts 2:38-39, we get a hint that the Holy Spirit and the forgiveness of sins that is administered through baptism is indeed for the children as well, because listen to what Peter says: “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ-” and that is to say, by the authority of Jesus Christ, with Jesus’ baptism-“for the forgiveness of your sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him” [emphasis added]. So, many scholars have looked at that and have seen an implication that the Holy Spirit and the forgiveness of sins that is administered through baptism can be applied to children as well. And other examples, we have household baptisms in scripture. You might want to check this out, James; for example, Lydia and her household are baptized in Acts 16:15; the jailer and his family are baptized in Acts 16:33; Paul talks about how he baptized the household of Stephanas in 1 Corinthians 1:16. So, now, this doesn’t prove explicitly the early Church baptizing infants, but we do have a hint of households, from which it’s reasonable to conclude there may very well have been infants there.
I recently watched a whole RUclips documentary on Roger Willaims. I was blown away by that. Roger Williams s amazing idea of freedom of religion and separation of church and state is amazing. The innovation for his time was great. I would like to take this separation even further.. Religion should not dictate morality state at all.. I find Christian morality is outdated and out of touch with modern time.. People become more connected through globalism. So people have to show more respect for different groups to keep the connections peaceful. This leads to greater political correctness. Political correctness is a wonderful thing with no downsides. It difficult if not impossible to argue against it without sounding like a bigoted jerkbag. In modern America, religious morality seems to do more harm than good. Biblical verses are used to justify harmful and oppressive morals. A good example of this is the horrible Dobbs vs. Jackson Court case in recent time. Conservatives have made attempts to have oppressive control over women and thier reproduction. This court case was a victory for them. In that case, there should be separation between religious morality and state morality. State morality should be based more on what brings more physical and psychological benefit to people. Religion be darned. I learned something cool in this video. Roger Williams founded Babtists. That is great. I like the radical freedoms of the Babtists. There is biblical authority, minimal clergy and adult Babtism. That is all good stuff. Both Babtists and Catholics have claims to originate with Jesus and his disciples. I like both groups. So I am not one to make a judgment call. I do recognize that both groups have very different approaches. Catholics integrate Christianity with Roman Paganism. They try to make a good foundation so people can convert and find connection to God easier. Fancy rituals, iconography and saints give a nice grounding effect to ease transition. Babtists strip Christianity down to the bare essentials of Jesus and his teachings. They try to give more freedom from powerful clergy and rely on the scripture for guidance. Both sides have thier merits and thier weaknesses. I did learn in this video that Mormons make this claim too. That makes me laugh. LOL Mormons are so wierd.
This individualist idea of everyone can interpret the Bible themselves is very different. This is how people create their own idols and ideas of God that do not line up with the Bible. We should all read the Bible for ourselves, but we should always ask questions to church leaders who have studied the Bible or do research on verses before making our own assumptions on what the Bible says.
I was really enjoying your videos until this one. Your little anti patriotic cheer is intended to form a negative opinion of being patriotic in the minds of your students. Are our young people supposed to be ashamed to be American? What exactly is your goal? Your message does not make me warm and fuzzy about following you further.
In the opinion of many people, the native Americans should still own most of the USA according to fraudulent and fundamentally illegal treaties and the breaking of them. About 10 years ago or so, this issue was briefly in the news as some tribe somewhere attempted to regain land which was lost by a broken treaty. In some other cases, there was not even a treaty as individuals and small groups of natives were arrested or otherwise relocated in large overall numbers. Some of the treaties were illegal from the start on the basis of coercion alone. On the other hand, the mainstream media of the time portrayed the natives as criminals and "savages" (which was sometimes true). I am astonished that constitutionalists of the day could not reconcile the natives to the Constitution. Some treaties infringed on the religious beliefs of the natives by coercing them onto "Christian reservations". As a Christian myself, I am appalled that many Christians and natives fell victim to mainstream propaganda - pitting both groups against one another. Federal and state governments were accomplices in this tragedy, in my opinion. No doubt, many of the native Americans should have been considered as full US citizens and protected by the Constitution.
Once again he wasn't an advocate Noah was he an obstructionist he just left how come you just can't say that he got out of Dodge and started his own community with people let them hell what to believe what they want Massasoit didn't care do what you want who's the east side of Providence Hope Street Thayer Street Angell Street take it all no problem Oh what about the 600 acres buckland's Brooke I'm not going to give it up go ask Joseph Jenks he don't want to hear it
Baptist terminology Not found in the Bible Altar Call Age of accountability Total depravity of man Ask Jesus into your heart Rapture Invisibile church Clothed in the righteousness of Christ Accept Christ as your personal Lord and saviour Enthroning the Bible in your heart Personal interpretation of scriptures (1 Pt 2) Faith Alone (James 2:24) Scripture Alone (2Thess ) Celebtating Christmas Remembering Good Friday Celebrating Easter The Gospel is a 'simple message'
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Roger Williams is my 9th great grandfather. Thanks for making the video.
Falkenroth1 are you on ancestry dna I might be related as well
I am related too!
Hello to my cousins , Roger Williams daughter Mercy married my many times great grandfather Samuel Winsor.
Falkenroth1 ... we are cousins, my friend!
Falkenroth1 really?? Me too!!
I teach Social Studies in Poland in what is called "Innovative class". I lived in the U.S. for 13 years so the American history themes are important to me but it is much more difficult to introduce them to young learners of Polish nationality. I often listen to your lectures - Your passion for the subject paired with clear guidance through the topic inspire me to deliver better class experience. Thanx Tom!
I just found out from my grandmother the other day that Roger Williams is one of my great grandfathers. I’m trying to learn about him as much as possible since I’ve never really known anything about any of my other ancestors.
Hello, cousin! Roger Williams was my 9th great grandfather on my mother's side.
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I'm up to reposting Roger Williams material 3+ times/year. Now I just repost your video. It just really is the best, most concise, most accessible resource, I've been able to find. These are some of our founding arguments. You've helped me understand them better. Thank you so much for all your work. This is just my favorite one 😁
Great Baptist history lesson, Tom! I was raised Baptist myself but never really knew the history or how it was tired to the Founding Fathers. We need a movie or a youtube series at least🙏
The Word “Baptize”:
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Just found out Roger Williams is my 9x’s great grandfather! Your video is so informative! Thank you for shedding light on such fantastic individuals.
I love your comment .
I just found out he is my 10th great grandfather so we are some how related. My dad was adopted so that is why I have the last name Warkentin instead of Williams.
AWWWW “ dad i love you” mug was adorable
I am writing a paper on this topic and this was extremely helpful. Thank you!
Roger Williams is my 10th great grandfather. Such an interesting person. My 3 month old's middle name is Roger! So cool.
My 9th great grandfather was Stukely Westcott, friend and follower of Roger Williams. I am very interested in the role of religion in history, and particularly in the history of my family ~ thanks for all your info.
The Word “Baptize”:
Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water when they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage?
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
“baptize” KJV
Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar_1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
Great video. Helped me understand the real REASON my 11th great grandfather came to Plymouth in 1632 as a separatist and then later was a founder of Eastham MA Cape Cod and later a founder of the Baptist Church in Piscataway, NJ. He wanted a “direct” and personal relationship with God.
Love this! Dawn Williams …. Granddaughter
R Dub is the most underrated American historical figure by far
Liberty of conscience 😊what a great idea 💡!
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TOM! I swear I'm not stalking you. My students are reading Williams' Bloudy Tenent on Friday. I'm assigning this video to them. So nice to see your handsome face here on the Tube.
I’ve never been accused of being either baptist or LdS (Mormon) but you seemed to imply that Mormonism is a logical progression from the thinking of Roger Williams. I’d like to point out one major difference. Whereas Roger Williams considered most people to be intelligent enough to form their own opinions about religious beliefs, religious practices and religious prohibitions, Joseph Smith was all about offering people a “package deal” based on the premise that he had special revelation and that, therefore, people should base their religious beliefs, their religious practices and their religious prohibitions on what he taught them.
+Roger Metzger I think the operative word there would be “a” logical conclusion rather than “the” logical conclusion. Any restorationist thinking is reliant on some sort of divine revelation. I would take your point that the LDS Church, with its hierarchical structure, would not have been what a nonconformist like Roger Williams would have had in mind.
thank you
Man oh man, terrific stuff!
Roger Williams, the Founder of the first Baptist Church in 1638, later gave up his ministry because he came to realize that the true Church of Jesus Christ was not then on the earth. Basically, he said, At this time, there is no regularly constituted Church on the earth, nor will there be until new Apostles are sent by the Head of the Church, for whose coming I am seeking.
Those new Apostles were sent by God and Christ in 1835, after God and Jesus Christ personally appeared to 14-year-old Joseph Smith in 1820. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Jesus Christ’s one, true Church on the earth, the same Church of Jesus Christ that the Savior organized 2000 years ago, but which fell away within several hundred years, and necessitated God and Christ Restoring it in the latter days.
Amen. "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ" Ephesians 4:11-12
Patience and prudence are two of the daughters of the interpreter in pilgrims progress
Interesting video, didn't know that much about the Baptist.
Thanks for showing us this meaningful picture .
Roger Williams is also my 9th great grandfather, @Falconroth
Hi Sir. can you explain us more about the formation of the New England States
The build a wall air horn joke he slid in their made me die laughing in the library at school
Could you reflect on "The Strangers" on The Mayflower? Vicar Francis Higginson's congregation?
Was Roger Williams related to the Williams who signed the Declaration of Independence?
Also, Roger left his Church 6 months after he founded it. Chaddus Brown(e) took over his position
The contrasting reactions of the French and American Revolutions when it comes to religion is interesting. The French and American Revolutions reactions to religious establishment is different. The French revolution was in part a reaction to the corruption of the Catholic Church of France. At first, the revolution protected religious liberty in the Declaration of Rights of Man and Citizen. Starting about 1793, the policy of Dechristianzaton came to place which attempted to destroy the power of the Catholic Church. Churces were looted, statues destroyed, confessional boxes and church bells melted, priests murdered , nuns savagely raped. They even took out the Christian and Jewish Sabbath days by rearanging the callender to a month of three 10 day weeks. What started as a legitmate reaction to corruption of the church turned to horrific persecution of Christians and Catholics in general. What did the founding fathers do? They founding fathers were Christians for the most part. Some like Jefferson has some problem with some doctrines of Christianity but altogether shared a belief in a Creator. The American Revolution was a partly in response to the Anglican Church. But did the American founding fathers persecute religion? No. They establish what I would call a pure form of Christianity. One that does not require state establishment or state sanction. History shows when the church controls the government, the church corrupts the government.When the government controls the church, the government corrupts the church. Both formulas results in persecution of religious minority. The Founding Fathers created a system in which the Government can not "establish a religion or prohibit the free exercise of religion". Does this mean that they meant for religious morality to have no place in governent? No. But niether church or state has the power and this frees the people to practice thier religious beliefs unmolested and freely. The genius of our founding fathers is extraordinary.
The big difference between the two, just like most differences between the American Revolution and other revolutions is who is leading it. In America the rich and well off lead the revolution for the poor and middle class of the new country, but in the French Revolution the poor lead the revolution for themselves. The poor decided to rid themselves of any rich oppression, while in America, the "rich oppression (it's a comparison)" set themselves up for the poor.
The American Revolution was a collective effort of rich and poor, men and women, young and old, generals and common soldiers, even slaves like James Anderson. Was the American Revolution perfect and spotless? No. The Founding Fathers did the best they could with the complex situations they had and created a republic of laws and not a pure democracy by Majority. Founding Fathers like Washington, Jefferson, and Hamilton, and others died broke. Washington was so broke by 1789, that when he was traveling to New York to be innaugurated President, he had to borrow money from a friend to pay his traveling expenses. The French Revolution started with the tyranny of the King, then tyranny of majority/murderous mob, then tyranny of the Committee of Public Safety, then eventually tyranny of Bonaparte, then back to monarchy.
+Zachary Clark Here I'm gonna try to clarify what I meant. American Revolution = Local Establishment and Citizens vs Parliamental, Central Gov't while French Revolution was Poor, Hungry, Desperate Citizens vs Absolute Central Gov't and Establishment
I don't mean to start a flame war or anything, but what religion are you, Mr. Richey? I know you live in the South so I assume Baptist.
I was raised Baptist but no longer personally adhere to that faith tradition. As I tell my students in class who ask, I am a Christian and I occasionally attend the Church of Irrelevance - not quite as often as I probably should. So in speaking of Baptists in this video, I say this as someone who had a Baptist upbringing and attended a Baptist college but not someone who has any stake in promoting that faith tradition. It very much fascinates me how the United States is the only country in the world that I know of where the Baptist faith tradition has grown organically (as opposed to being a product of aggressive foreign missionary activity).
+Tom Richey Sorry, the Church of Irrelevance? I was raised Catholic and I don't know many other Christian Denominations
+HuntingTheEnd V. 😂 It's a joke, buddy! The premise is that it's no one's business what specific religious tradition I belong to, but I felt like your question was relevant since I made some historical judgments about the Baptist faith and its place in American history.
Tom Richey Oh :) my bad XD
+Tom Richey If I had read all the comments, I wouldn't have wasted my time looking up the Church of Irrelevance on the Internet! 😧😧😧 Great series on Religious freedom, by the way.
Dang that’s such a great point that the baptist belief system is more heavily practiced in America partially because of its focus on individualism and democratic governance, which definitely wouldn’t mesh well in some other areas of the world
You would do good by reading John Leland. Hus views are very reveling.
I am a descendant of John Potter, a friend of Roger Williams and Robert Potter, who was one of Anne Hutchinson's inner circle.
I am more a promoter of thirteen colony unity. I think both regions had their benefits and should be celebrated.
10/10
Thanks! I feel like an olympian!
Agreed
I am a descendant of Roger Williams, and I come from a Mormon family. I had never really considered that the religious beliefs of Williams would have any bearing on the LDS church until this video. Interesting!
My sister had the same tiger statue.
Roger Williams is my 10th grey grandfather
Interesting. I wonder if Roger Williams ideas are originally his. Religion based on individual conscience. How different from the Puritan mindset.
Aren't you confusing Baptist with Anabaptist? Not sure. I'll do some research, but thank you for your videos.
Baptist are not protestants you said we were the largest protestants denomination we reject that title we do not consider ourselves protestants we are not reformed catholics nor were we ever part of the catholic church anyway great video I enjoyed it
Scooby was where the Pilgrims came from in England
Those island names made me want to reread Pilgrim's Progress
+Dominique Marlow Sounds like perhaps I need to read that book for the first time!
The land purchases would be from the local tribes not American Indians as a whole. People don't seem to make the distinction.
Did he use KJV or Geneva?
are you religious? thanks for your vids btw
I am a direct descendant of Roger Williams. His descendants joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints at the onset. Still strong in the church!
Say it ain’t so
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According to Joshua 6:1-27, the walls of Jericho fell after the Israelites marched around the city walls once a day for six days and seven times on the seventh day then blew their trumpets.
lol
LSU graduate?
They were Church of England but commited to Calvinist principles even though the CofE is Anglican. Confusing.
that chair looks like some opulent collar haha
So what really happened is that Peter, Paul and a few other guys were watching Mary Magdalene and her friends take their weekly baths in the river. After they left they saw Jesus and John up river and they were playing some kind of naked dunking game. So Peter says, "Hey, what are you guys doing?" Jesus and John were caught off guard so John says, "Oh... um.... I'm dunking Jesus in the river like that story we heard in school about Achilles. You know, make him immortal." So the guys kinda say, "Oh, ok, whatever." As they are walking away Peter says, "Those two are always playing grab ass somewhere while the rest of us men are spying on the ladies." Then Paul says, "That John guy is Batshit Crazy, and now he's playing some naked dunking game with Jesus. I mean.... not that there's anything wrong with that." So from then on they referred to John as "John the Batshit". Move ahead a few centuries, several different language translations of the story, and "Batshit" became "Baptist". So basically the Baptist religion is based on some Baptist, aka "Batshit", naked gay guys dunking each other in a river.
The Mormons are definitly not the only religious group to discent and strick out from the Puritans. Thereis several other groups that have embraced religious freedom and the right of individual conscience. To name a few: Baptists, Adventists, Jehovah witnesses, ETC.
Mark Dumitry The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is not a discent of any church, but a restoration of the church Christ set up when he was on the earth.
@@racheldaquin3281 I don't think we can know the "Original Church" from a historical standpoint. This video by a Religious Studies researcher explains why I think that.
"Orthodoxy" versus "Heresy" in Ancient Christianity
ruclips.net/video/W80CbmfRt9s/видео.html
how does the most popular group aside from king james then get to mish mash everyone in the u.s. into an absurd "puritans vs. separatists"?
was montegue of english countryside a puritan as well?
how can you be a separatist if geneva bible is translation work? separatists from what? et latin, wasn't it the purpose to translate to anglo saxon english instead of using latin?
But what’s interesting, James, is that in Acts 2:38-39, we get a hint that the Holy Spirit and the forgiveness of sins that is administered through baptism is indeed for the children as well, because listen to what Peter says: “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ-” and that is to say, by the authority of Jesus Christ, with Jesus’ baptism-“for the forgiveness of your sins. And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him” [emphasis added]. So, many scholars have looked at that and have seen an implication that the Holy Spirit and the forgiveness of sins that is administered through baptism can be applied to children as well.
And other examples, we have household baptisms in scripture. You might want to check this out, James; for example, Lydia and her household are baptized in Acts 16:15; the jailer and his family are baptized in Acts 16:33; Paul talks about how he baptized the household of Stephanas in 1 Corinthians 1:16. So, now, this doesn’t prove explicitly the early Church baptizing infants, but we do have a hint of households, from which it’s reasonable to conclude there may very well have been infants there.
I recently watched a whole RUclips documentary on Roger Willaims. I was blown away by that. Roger Williams s amazing idea of freedom of religion and separation of church and state is amazing. The innovation for his time was great. I would like to take this separation even further.. Religion should not dictate morality state at all.. I find Christian morality is outdated and out of touch with modern time.. People become more connected through globalism. So people have to show more respect for different groups to keep the connections peaceful. This leads to greater political correctness. Political correctness is a wonderful thing with no downsides. It difficult if not impossible to argue against it without sounding like a bigoted jerkbag. In modern America, religious morality seems to do more harm than good. Biblical verses are used to justify harmful and oppressive morals. A good example of this is the horrible Dobbs vs. Jackson Court case in recent time. Conservatives have made attempts to have oppressive control over women and thier reproduction. This court case was a victory for them. In that case, there should be separation between religious morality and state morality. State morality should be based more on what brings more physical and psychological benefit to people. Religion be darned. I learned something cool in this video. Roger Williams founded Babtists. That is great. I like the radical freedoms of the Babtists. There is biblical authority, minimal clergy and adult Babtism. That is all good stuff. Both Babtists and Catholics have claims to originate with Jesus and his disciples. I like both groups. So I am not one to make a judgment call. I do recognize that both groups have very different approaches. Catholics integrate Christianity with Roman Paganism. They try to make a good foundation so people can convert and find connection to God easier. Fancy rituals, iconography and saints give a nice grounding effect to ease transition. Babtists strip Christianity down to the bare essentials of Jesus and his teachings. They try to give more freedom from powerful clergy and rely on the scripture for guidance. Both sides have thier merits and thier weaknesses. I did learn in this video that Mormons make this claim too. That makes me laugh. LOL Mormons are so wierd.
you comment is based on your opinion....
Roger Williams was probably influenced by the symbolic writing of the time to name places in lil' Rhodey.
This individualist idea of everyone can interpret the Bible themselves is very different. This is how people create their own idols and ideas of God that do not line up with the Bible. We should all read the Bible for ourselves, but we should always ask questions to church leaders who have studied the Bible or do research on verses before making our own assumptions on what the Bible says.
"bye roger" lol
I was really enjoying your videos until this one. Your little anti patriotic cheer is intended to form a negative opinion of being patriotic in the minds of your students. Are our young people supposed to be ashamed to be American? What exactly is your goal? Your message does not make me warm and fuzzy about following you further.
In the opinion of many people, the native Americans should still own most of the USA according to fraudulent and fundamentally illegal treaties and the breaking of them. About 10 years ago or so, this issue was briefly in the news as some tribe somewhere attempted to regain land which was lost by a broken treaty. In some other cases, there was not even a treaty as individuals and small groups of natives were arrested or otherwise relocated in large overall numbers. Some of the treaties were illegal from the start on the basis of coercion alone. On the other hand, the mainstream media of the time portrayed the natives as criminals and "savages" (which was sometimes true). I am astonished that constitutionalists of the day could not reconcile the natives to the Constitution. Some treaties infringed on the religious beliefs of the natives by coercing them onto "Christian reservations". As a Christian myself, I am appalled that many Christians and natives fell victim to mainstream propaganda - pitting both groups against one another. Federal and state governments were accomplices in this tragedy, in my opinion. No doubt, many of the native Americans should have been considered as full US citizens and protected by the Constitution.
Great video, Baptists however are not Protestants. Read Trail of blood by Carroll.
Protestant
Joseph Smith was called a prophet
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*(are there any south park fans here)*
Restoration!!! Where my Mormon homies??
Baptist is not protestant.
Fake news
Once again he wasn't an advocate Noah was he an obstructionist he just left how come you just can't say that he got out of Dodge and started his own community with people let them hell what to believe what they want Massasoit didn't care do what you want who's the east side of Providence Hope Street Thayer Street Angell Street take it all no problem Oh what about the 600 acres buckland's Brooke I'm not going to give it up go ask Joseph Jenks he don't want to hear it
Baptist terminology Not found in the Bible
Altar Call
Age of accountability
Total depravity of man
Ask Jesus into your heart
Rapture
Invisibile church
Clothed in the righteousness of Christ
Accept Christ as your personal Lord and
saviour
Enthroning the Bible in your heart
Personal interpretation of scriptures (1 Pt 2)
Faith Alone (James 2:24)
Scripture Alone (2Thess )
Celebtating Christmas
Remembering Good Friday
Celebrating Easter
The Gospel is a 'simple message'
We real Baptist don't claim him js
I just traced my ancestors n I'm actually related to him 😲📜🖇️🗄️😊🤝