£1000 MOST UNRELIABLE CAR CHALLENGE! PART 2
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Can u do a ticky or sumi'n with uz guyz just slapi'n each uva
Car vertical are terrible. It cost twice as much as the rac report I did on the same car and told me less info. The previous damage photos is a scam. Don't use car vertical unless you have money to throw away
Hey, when are you coming to Cairngorms?
OK why don't ya make it 1500 each via both cars are needing sorting so no one gets hurt or DEAD
My opinion should of gone with the 156. Proper Alfa V6 and sounded like a decent bloke too.
Doesn't make for good content if it's actually a good car I guess
they mugged the bloke off too tbh
@@connormatthews522 Definitely a dick move.
yep! The Brera is such a mistake
Yep definitely should have got the 156. Still a shitter that would have been a laugh
The brera is not a Busso. It's the Holden V6 with Alfa designed heads and the super stretchy timing chains. The 156 did have a Busso.
And the 159?
@@eurasianlynxsame years as the brera, no busso
No according to the Alfa guy, the 156 had basically a Ferrari engine!
Was about to say thay 🤷 thats the opel engine
Isn’t a Holden an Aussie Ford?
The "window safety not available" message occurs when you disconnect the battery.
To fix it, just start the car, hold the window switch down until it reaches the bottom and hold for another 10 seconds, then hold the window switch up and hold for another 10 seconds when it reaches the top.
This allows the motors to learn the up and down extremes and clears the error.
Helpful as that may be, somehow I don't think that will be their biggest concern...
@@luobomu9747 Yeah, but if you keep the switch down for 20 seconds it fixes rust holes in the floor pan.
@@andywright1634 i love the alfa romeo nanotech
Correct. And If doesn’t fix the problem you need to disassemble the switch and clean the contacts before trying the reset trick again. Ask me how I know...!
Do a highest spec car challenge. See what's the most equipment you can get for as cheap as you can
easy, W220
by far nowhere near, high spec in w220 will be expensiev since its amg@@YegoYTP
@@anubaral you can get plenty of high spec W220's for dirt cheap, it doesnt have to be an AMG the S500's came with loads of equipment and Alex on CarThrottle bought one for like 1200 quid
you can also get plenty of cars at about the same price in high specs aswell@@YegoYTP
@@anubaral Name one car under 1k with more equipment than an S Class
I feel sorry for the guy with the 156 up in Scotland negotiated the price said your coming up with a trailer and you wasted his time… 🙈🙈🙈🙈 the word tyre kickers comes to mind
Yeah bit of a w⚓️ move
Karma for being neglectful Alfa owner
The 3.2 Jts in the Brera is not a Busso Engine. Its a GM V6…
Most unreliable engine on the planet. They did good for the challenge.
Also Busso which is in 156 isn't unreliable. It is one of if not even the best V6 ever. Clarkson said it. Jts which is in Brera is not great
@@DamirS97yeah the main complaint is usually just how much fuel it guzzles compared to its power output
@@Archman155 I don't understand why anyone would moan about the Busso's fuel consumption (unless they are more attuned to 1.0L economoboxes). I've had 3 Busso 156s - and my current daily driver is a 2002 156 3.2L GTA with 260,000km on it - and I average about 10L/100km, doing 300km a week in peak hour stop start traffic. Worth every cent for the sound and fury... In comparison, my '81 Alfetta GTV 2.0L averages closer to 15L/100km (but it does have twin 45mm Webers...) Meanwhile, my wife's "sensible" 2019 Subaru Forester (2.5L boxer, non-turbo) doesn't do much better than 8-9L/100km.
The seller just made the sale of the year, that car is an absolute death trap 🤣
the car is for sure not worth 1k considering the state of it, as rory said, 400 pounds would have been a fair deal
it past its last MOT back in 2019 , been off the road since 2020
@anubaral if it was fully stripped for parts ur looking 1.5k to 2k in value
@@anubaral he’s a breaker. It’s worth over that to him after he breaks it. But after labour prices tax and postage that’s probably what he could settle on for min value.
@@CuriousGamer022When you're fully stripping it for parts how much would the cost of labor be compared to these 1.5-2k?
Words actually cannot describe how hyped I am for the eventual video of the actual road trip.
i am loving that you are finally bringing alfa's to the channel instead of the overload of bmw's xD buuuuuuut that 3.2 of the brera and 159 is not a busso engine. its a GM/opel engine and pretty disliked by the alfa community. More unreliable then the late 3.2 busso, lack of promised power and the chain issue. SOOOOOOO perfect for this challange!
there was a saab twin turbo version of the motor as well . i think 2.8 litre ?, all versions inc di and port injection turbo and capacities up to 3.6 were dual overhead 4v and assembled at the aus GM adelaide engine facility. capacity for well over 100k motors pa (and the encourage hard manufacturing , the government had incentives for developement and production in aus as well as very generous but reasonable subisidies applied to offset transportation cost and risk on alll manufacturing exports to mitigate the high cost of getting said goods to markets overseas due to the extreme distance and difficulties in the iscolation of the continrent to the markets in which goods - ie the motors were to be sold and used, by about 2012 due to "free trade rules " a disdgruntled manufactruring competitor nation brought a case to the WTO who "ruled" somehow that this sort of assistance to industry was not just a means they a sovergn nation used to level up local production to encourage efficiency and self reliancebut deemed it to be anti comptitive and akin to dumping product onto world markets leviec a fine and stipulated that the Aus govt cease such industry assistance or endure trade sanctions. this , excessive tradfe barrier being that of massive transport logistic costs that had to be borne out by every manufaturere in order to get there otherwise compititive product to the marketsd in which they werre sold i- beleive playered a big role in the fall and totasl collapse of the entire automotive design production assembly engineerring in australia, where ford GM toyota made using high local content and many suppliers for upto 1/3 of the vehicles sold annually in a over 1 millions per vehicle paAUS market plus parts and upto the same amount of vehicles and parts sold into other markets worldwide as well ) ( interestingly, this apparent protection and dumping that had been foiled and stopped by the ruling in th WTO literally did not spur on competition . did not encourage other playetrs to see an opportunity to entert a market and produce the motors that alfa n open n sabb and othes were requiring . so once it became cost prhibitive because of shipping cost competition pressures - for these motors that holden made and sold on to othe GM subsiduaries overseas , the subsiduaries like alfa n opel andf saab were taking from holden, thery simply could no longer afford to pay the price requiredf to get them to there facties and . was one of the factors that at about this time all of those manufacturers were forced to cease selling thos models and there was no viable alternastiv GM supplier , this all otheose companies left the market in its erntirety, and this WTO ruling that was framed around stoppin anti competitiver behavior and helping market players , simply obliterating the capability of a very large portionb of te automotiver sector to provide a major component of the product and this destroy in totality the ability of those companies to sdell into the market. arguably with the likely hasten the demise of many of those said brands aroun that time . id suggest the only winners were othe brand with whom im sure u cxan work out that were now in a position to gain more sales in a market segment that was left comp[letely by a very big competitor. thos many hundred or more thousand annual sales vehicles going to other brands , not because they intrisically had better product , or cheaper but simply because ther fair competitors were made unable to operate, and we all know what happens to prices when therte is less competition or worse still a few large playerrs gain controll of the majority of the market - well just take a lok at teh disproportionate rise in proces the averagfe4 ocnsumer mow pays for said prduct produced by a very concentrate minority of players . sorry for the rant - lol
(all versions of trhis V6 however were actually designed in the US by chev / cadallac engineers and made in various plants around the globe, each manufacturer selecting the featurs and performance and parts they requie for there vehicles) i beleive those made in AUS were exported to the relevent chassis recipients. the locally produced commodore version only ever got the 3.6 litre non turbo ( as the top line commodores received imported chev built Gen 3 and 4 na and Sc up to 7.0 litre verions for various Hipo varients of commodores so there was never a call or need for more than 3.6l Di na v6 motors, so locally only two distinct trims for standastd and high power variants availible in all of the body styles including, sedan, limosine , wagon utility. dual cab utility (?)
Idk Opel guys kinda seem to like swapping them into older Astras and they seem to like boost. Ofc the alfa community would dislike them it's an Opel engine 😂
Of course the only shit thing would be german
The simplest things on this channel have me in stitches 17:38 "it says check engine". "well we've done that" 😂😂😂
Yeah, it was definitely there in the bay 🤣
Somehow, I think the 156 was the better deal - that’s an absolute dog. Also, the 156 is a fine drivers car, and would have been great fun on the twisties - if the suspension bushes weren’t shot (I owned one - and loved it - but I had to replace the suspension bushes and headlamp bulbs every week (or so it seemed)). I’d love another one!
absolutely, the 2.5 might have less power, but keep the belt in good nick and itll run forever, i wouldnt trust a 3.2 JTS to do half the mileage
Have to change the bushes every week too on my 159 🥴
@@Verhagenvictorsince they're after an unreliable car that doesn't sound so good!
I genuinely didn't have to replace any bulb in my 156 for 70k km 😬
Loving the dorrito hint Alex dropped. Also love the new alfa love on here, as I currently own a red brera
Awesome video! Can't wait for more on the Brera! LOL
P.S: The 3.2 in the Brera it's the disgraceful and unreliable GM HFV6 from General Motors #NotABusso
An absolute pile.
In North America the HFV6 with premature timing chain wear problems is only the 2008-2009 model years and typically only seen in vehicles with extended oil change intervals. Otherwise a decent engine when maintained. Not sure about this 2006 Australian variant.
@@DruidB19 I own a 2006 Brera of which I had to replace the timing chains plus tensioners (that's where the weak point is) at around 77k miles and the engine is running like a dream to about 125k miles as of today. Reserve some budget for accessories though and regular maintenance, like oil changes as you said.
I absolutely adore my V6 Alfa!
I did not knew that, but I also don`t know much about Alfa`s, thank you for sharing!
It's a 3.2 GM Australia motor. Alpha Romeo did upgrade it with Direct injection, a higher compression ratio and vvti.
Not that bad of an engine to be honest.
I love Rory’s reaction
“I think I just bought a car”
And then didn't.
Based on the podcast he isn't new to that, he's owned about 30 before turning 30
Taylor: Hates Vauxhalls
Also Taylor: Buys an Alfa Romeo with a Vauxhall Vectra engine
edit: I've been informed the 3.2 was actually in the Vauxhall Antara but same difference
Did this go in the Vectra? The 3.2 GSi was way out of production before the Brera was launched. Wikipedia suggests this 3.2 went in the Antara.
@@adammcallister2260You are right, its definitely a related engine though, albeit the 2.8 not the 3.2
@@adammcallister2260The Vectra C had a 3.2 and that was around the same period I nearly bought a 55 plate with that engine but came to my senses when I told myself it's a Vectra. 😅
@@interceptor-ss8kb I think that's the older one, the 'General Motors 54° V6 engine' instead of the 'GM High Feature engine' (thanks Wikipedia)
An autoalex notification is like Xmas day I must say
It's like something you look forward to but turns out to be a massive anticlimax.
Sorry but the v6 in the brera is not a busso engine.
Correct, its a GM Engine and therefore not a iconic as the Busso 👍🏻
I’m sad you passed on that Busso 156, for a dead Brera, which can not be done anywhere near that 1k budget, even if you sell the whole interior and wheels. Its not about, spending more money on it, its just about ignoring the rules you made. I would have loved to see that 156
Anyway, still love the channel and all of you, just let out my words. Cheers
We need a full restoration of that Brera. A manual Brera with the sky window and Q4 is very rare
I would take a 1750TBi Brera over the crappy GM 3.2 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. There’s a reason why 3.2 Breras can be found for 5k while the 1750 Breras are 15k and up. A sorted 1750 Brera TI in Europe is over 20k
wonder what colour alex's rx8 is gonna be
All the colours, but mainly oily black is my guess
With a good amount of blue grey unburned petrol smoke following it.
@@JohnClark-ew8dhgolden brown, some people call it rust but they’re wrong
I hoped they would get the first alfa, it felt like a much better deal and i would like to see them do some work on it and get it alive.
I absolutely love Alfas, I had 2.0 Twin Spark 156 and a 3.0 V6 156. They both blew up of course, but they were brilliant while they lasted.
heh same - I went on an enthusiastic drive in my 2.0 TS after an argument with my wife then returned home all sheepish with smoke pouring out of the bonnet and an oil light flickering on - oops.
I had a Brera 3.2 for a couple of years, one of the slowest, thirstiest cars I've ever owned, £500 a year just for the road tax, and an awful GM V6, but what a beautiful looking machine!
Did you do any manteinence?
I loved top gear back in the day, used to look forward to Sunday nights. Now I look forward to your podcasts and videos on RUclips just the same. Alex, Taylor and Rory are brilliant in their own ways. Living the dream, and so it continues.
The 6 speed box is from a VXR and they go on the 5th gear... Mine did! Just to be aware if there's a persistent almost hissing noise from the gear level in 5th. Might be the last of your worries! 😂. Can't wait to see the work done on this! The brera and interior is a design classic for me, as was the 159. And jesus, it only needs one person to say it's not a busso!
honestly, the alfa looks amazing. Stunning car if you make it nice. This is one of those cars that if its fixable fix it and make it nice. Doesnt deserve to die
Keep up the good work Alex. Love the videos and the chemistry
Finally an interesting car on the bmw channel!
I love how Alex has set Taylor up a treat 😂 he could not care any less 😂😂🙌 such a laugh watching the chemistry between these guys.
Taylor's jeggings are hilarious.
I have exactly the same Brera (same spec, same color, same wheel) 5 year with it and it's a wonderful car! Like every Italian car, it have its drawback but, globally, it's pretty reliable.
The subframes bushing are know to be fragile and could fail on bad road.. when it happens we ear some strange noise when we turn the steering wheel.
The most common issue is the oil temp sensor that fail pretty quickly and its a expansive parts and very tricky to change (you have to disassemble the whole bottom part of the motor (it's just to indicate the oil temperature so not necessary for you, you could just unplug it)
If the service is not made regularly the chain could make some noice, but it's the same for every GDI engine.
The oil breather is directly connected to the air admission so it happens that some oil get over the airflow sensor so it need to be clean
(And last thing. In order to preserve the coil, put the spark plug gap at 1.1mm not 1.3mm )
Otherwise it's a Very good car! It so pleasant to drive it.
What a good choice 👍
Err, its not a Busso, sorry. Its the GM Holden V6. Basically the same as you would find in a Saab 9-3 Turbo X, but without the turbo.
12:52 That's NOT f**ing Busso! That's GM/Vauxhall/Opel.
Saves me saying it 👍
@@hamishyoung494 apparently i wasn’t first one. 😂 Lots of angry Busso lovers.
Smashing it lads! absolutely loving these videos! 👌
Always a good day when Alex uploads a new video, I've never been so much in love with sh*tboxes in my life 😂 all cars should be given a chance.
Love this series guys, great idea! I do not envy you Taylor! Really looking forward to seeing the Brera tarted up.
I’m so disappointed they didn’t go for the 156 with the 2.5 it’s such a good engine! Although the Brera is good looking the engine is so wrong it ruins the car 😭😭 love the idea of picking an Alfa just a shame you picked the wrong one 🤣
Waiting for another video to watch and here you are again 🎉
Thank you guys and Alex for this amazing videos 🙌
I had a 147 jtd mjet, a great car when it worked. The sat nav used to come out of the dash under hard acceleration. It randomly stayed in 3rd one day (colchester to rotherham) was fine the next day and never did it again. Cam belt went at 25k ( book said 60k for change) and totalled the engine and lastly the windscreen broke on the way to trade it in. I loved it when it worked.
Love the silver e30 in the background
Now this series is shaping up to be something FXCKING BRILLIANT 👍👍👍
Love these shows and I love Taylor even more for wanting an Alfa 👌🏻
Every time I’m about to get any work done, I refresh my RUclips and there’s a new video for me to watch. The consistency is fantastic
Alex (Car Verticle Ad): “This car is never going on the road again.”
Mat Armstrong: “Hold my Pyrofuse.”
Great show and entertaiment . greetings from middleWest part of Finland . like the challenges like the top gear and grand tour guy did and now allsow when you guys buy 3 cars and do stuff with them looking forward to more episodes
10:11 are we just going to ignore the W8 Passat
In 2016 I bought a Grande Punto 1.2 2006 and I went to Poland around 4 times and came back with no issues! I had it for over 2 years and never had a problem with it!
So can't wait to see Alex in a Rx8 again 😂
Would love to see a project on this Brera to see if you can succeed where so many have failed to make it a dynamic car thats actually pretty good to drive and not just for cruising! Fingers crossed it makes to Scotland and back!🤞🏼
By far my favourite channel this the challenges are class
Can’t wait for the rest of this series.
AutoAlex is a content demon and I am here for it
Why is it whenever Taylor gets excited by a car he turns into a Frenchman. "Oh uh ooooh!!!"
At that scrap yard 10:11 There is a W8 Volkswagen Passat! Very cool car i would love to see it on the channel!
2:30 i love the hitmarker sound 🤣
i love this channel. keep it going
Busso???😂
Unfortunately, its not a Busso engine (or Ferrari) its a GM derived engine... also the chain is a pain to replace... solid car though... also you sure its 4WD and not AWD?
10:11 oh my god a W8 Estate. That is a sad sight.
looks to be a Japanese Import at as well with about 55k miles.
@@9wowablethere a Japanese importer based in that yard so might be owned or imported by them.
@@AK.2425 possibly, 3 years between import and crash so very possible if it were a personal import, but unlikely if it were imported to be sold on here. (Unless it was bought back by them, obvs.)
It also has locally issued plate from Reading and the yard is rented out by for car storage by loads of people so it is possible it was imported by them and to someone who uses the yard aswell.
My wife had a 2.4 JTDM coup. Lovely car to drive, but Alfa features included, an alarm that would go off if it was parked on a slope, a passenger seat electric window that would randomly open when you locked the car, and a leaky boot badge. Good luck and god speed as the weather up here is Scotland is WET and cold! But there are some crackin roads up here you’re gonna love!
Those problems are common with many car brands, not just alfa. I've fixed tons of faulty alarm, window regulators and leaks on many cars over the years. Nothing lasts forever.
I ran a 2L 164 from 130->150K miles and then a 3L V6 166 from 80K->110K both auction buys and ran them both for 2 years each and sold them for more than I bought them for. Then only problem I had in 4 years was a spark plug that popped out of the V6. It had been cross threaded by the main dealer (the only people who touched it before me). A simple helicoil solved it, can't blame the Alfas for that. I've had my share of shitboxes over the years (Merc R class, Lancia Betax2, Fiat 128 3P) and the Alfas were fantastic. I'd take any one over a BM or Merc of 2005-2020 vintage.
Phil's paint looks soooo good in the ad spot!
cant wait to see this challenge its going to be a grate laugh and i love the snow so that's ever better
I love these cars, very sad to see one in such a state! I hope Taylor can do something with it
This was hilarious! “Has it got 4 wheel steering? It has now!” 😂
Another "Slap" dash fun packed episode 😂
Super fun content fellas, Thank you all
Mine is in my picture, absolutely love my Brera. Good Luck Guys 😂
Hard to say but its true, i was a die hard MCM fan but Autoalex is what i look forward too now..
I was howling with laughter at 6:03 😆🤣😂
You guys are the reason my neighbours are gonna hate me
10:27 definitely a scrap yard…. Look at that e30 bmw!!
Part of that yard is a scrapyard but not all of it. Also used by multiple car dealerships and individuals. I know where it is.
It makes me soo happy seeing alfas on the channel. There's not a lot of content out there with alfa romeos, especially with the legendary Busso engine. Hope the boys get one of them soon.
I do love the brera. It’s gorgeous.
Good luck Taylor. I have one of these sat in my yard at work which I failed on mot about 2 &1/2 years ago. At that time it only needed a drop link, seatbelt buckle and a prop centre bearing. Link and buckle were easily sorted. Prop is 3k special order from Italy and can't be rebuilt with new bearings 👍
Sofa, coffee table, fancy lighting. All you need now is a few petrolheads moping around in the background and you have the Top Gear set there :D
Dreams fading away quickly. The Brera was one of my forgotten dream car, based on the specs and 4WD back in the days when it was new. But just realised, I could buy one for pennies in these days. Probably I won’t do, but you guys gave me an extra reason to watch the Scotland road trip 😎 Thanks, Peter 🇭🇺
The sounds Taylor makes when he is excited 😂😂
Notification squad. Loving the content guys
Great to see an Alfa on the channel! Cant wait to see how this goes.
Sounds proper!!!! Love a V6 ❤
You guys make my day
So glad he got the brera. Looks so much better and cooler, even if it is rougher
I was crying when there was a bit of play ha ha.
those parts were flapping about ha ha
I had a brera V6 and even though the engine went pop and sold it for a grand I'd honestly have another one tomorrow and probably will end up having another at some point.
As long as you don't mind working on it your self they aren't that bad tbh
Saving that intro for a soundboard collection xD hahaha
That guy has completely had you boys there what a lemon 😂
All the Taylor noises in this episode lol
I had a 159 ti sportwagon 2.0 diesel for 4 and a half years. Loved driving it. Maintaining it was a different proposition. Now have a Honda CR-Z which is cheap as chips to run by comparison.
Fix it and it will make you special. Trust me, you will want to keep it. I had 159 and I regret selling it.The best car ever.
'Has it got 4 wheel steering as well' lmao
So glad you guys got a Brera. It's design is a work of art and the car itself is very different and interesting! I hope it makes it all the way through the journey😂
I love it you lot are like a couple of teenage girls, getting the giggles and all excited when “boys” message you back or send you numbers! 😂😂
Seeing how taylor was so happy with the car makes me happy
So funny, that car is a death trap!
I think almost all the roadtrips on AutoAlex so far could be badged as unreliable car challenges!
Looking forward to seeing what Taylor does with the Brera.(And within budget…Wink wink😉😉)We all know how he can stretch the budget when needed…Such a great looking car in its day.
Genuinely brilliant guys, I would wish you luck Taylor but I kinda want to see you break down 🤣 If you get that thing to Scotland without it killing you then I'll be extremely impressed!
Fk I’m in stitches.Absolutely brilliant channel.The new top gear😂😂😂😂
Man I love how the Brera looks, it gets me every time
The most reliable car I ever owned was a 156 2.0 twin spark manual also the most under rated car in my opinion
I had a 147 Diesel multi valve which I bought new. Took it to Halfords for a new headlight bulb and the mechanic said "what a lovely car - but I bet that it is a money pit in repairs". I told him that the headlight bulb was the most major failure in 30,000 miles.
Super fast, super economical, super fun, super pretty (well not as much as a Brera or the convertible), practical and the most RELIABLE, WELL BUILT car I have ever had (except perhaps for an X type which did 193,000 with just a replacement power steering). Unlike the Mercedes, BMW, Saabs etc that I have owned which were designed to fail.