Honda’s new J series details
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- On this video I go over some of the changes over the new j series found in the 2023 Honda pilot and Acura’s tlx and mdx type S.
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I like that Honda engine spaces are alway very well ventilated with plenty of free space. The bad examples are BMW and Mercedes engines with no space to cool but cramped with tons of plastics to fail around 50,000 miles even with regular maintenance.
Cooling/venting is critical and I’m with you 💯
Love it, no turbo no supercharger no bs engine, you know you'll have a solid car for 20 years.
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Not with it being a GDI engine and a timing belt.
@@Maddog29 you just read every mechanics mind... Especially with an interference engine.
@@Maddog29timing belt is not the issue. It’s that demonic VCM that will take it down to somewhere other than Paradise City. And you have to deal with GDI cleaning which is essentially a given on most engines now.
J35's are under recall for rod bearing wear. No turbo, no supercharger.
R.I.P Vtec💔, but at least now the j30 is a DOHC and comes with boost. Vtec would've been the icing on the cake though lol. Great video!
Times are changing. I’m surprised we even have a j series option that they decided to even further develop considering we are at a tree hugging EV era 🤣
@@BCautosolutions Doesn't this new engine have a broader power band thanks to DOHC? As in, overall it's a better engine, delivering more power over a greater range of RPMs? I know VTEC is cool when it kicks in, but if this new engine performs as described, that would be a good thing.
@@jsfbay1 yes, all true. People have trouble letting go and can’t see the broader picture.
Now you should make a longer video with the crazy details, I like to know more about all the tech specs.
When I have one apart I plan on it 💯
from a mechanic’s standpoint, do you think these engines are less reliable than old J engines? debating if I should get this new Pilot or current Odyssey with sohc v6 vtec engines. You are awesome man! 🙏
As a whole Hondas j series have historically been reliable and there’s no reason for that to change. My only concern are those oil supplied vtc gears which i think can be oil leakers. The question here is will they leak prematurely, or will they keep their act together to the timing belt service interval?
I don't know about that VCM with VTC while still on a belt
@@zeppdogg it’s a thing. I can see all 4 solenoids. It’s definitely going to be a leak point imo tho.
I think I'll keep my 08 Ridgeline for a couple more years which will give me time to see how this engine holds up (leaks oil).
@@johnlopez3001 good plan 👍🏻
Any thoughts on how this engine deals with build up on the valves due to direct injection? Other manufacturers use port and direct injection to minimize valve deposits.
It’s going to have build up
2023 Ridgeline engine making a knocking noise at low speeds under 1500 rpm. started making knocking noise at 6000 miles. Only happens at the start of acceleration, mostly when engine warms up.
Took it into first dealer Chapman Honda in Tucson AZ and they said that's common for this engine.
I took it to Autonation Honda and had them review it; they didn't have any history for this issue according to their tech. After a few days they said they removed the serpentine belt and the noise stopped. They replaced the tensioner, that worked for a few days. thoughts.
Could be anything. If it went away for a few days possibly something damaging that tensioner or one of the accessories starting to go bad.
catalytic converter…I had the exact same issue with MDX 2023
Wait until the aftermarket have an intake for these new j series, and you'll see how much plastic resonators you can remove.
Engine bay will look totally different 💯
finally honda is making twin cams v6 20 some years late but i still love the sohc v6
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@@BCautosolutions I didn't know there is the none turbo variant are out there I should've known.
@@WilliamHollinger2019 yes, 3.0t
lifter issues in store lol miss the old style valve adjustment screws… who knows i’ve seen a lot of lifter problems on other engine makes like dodge chrysler and even ford lifter tick
Yeah let’s see how they age, definitely a possibility.
Super informative. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Finally, I’ve been waiting for someone to do a video like this. But I wonder why Honda engineers deleted VTEC on this DOHC motor since there wasn’t any reason to do so. It would allow for more power overall while keeping the engine efficient. The power figures aren’t different from the SOHC design so this is weird.
& the quad VTC setup with a timing-belt is interesting since such a thing requires oil…. & timing-belts aren’t fond of oil the same way timing-chains are.
& I’m disappointed that the engine isn’t going to be as pretty as past J-series V6 motors (yeah I’m petty). But it is an interesting update to a beloved engine.
I hope you upload more info on this engine.
So initially when this engine (head redesign) was introduced, the big claim was it needed to be shorter to accommodate the tlx engine bay height. Now that almost seems like a load of crap because it’s made it’s way into the mdx-S and now the pilot. That was their pitch so who really knows. As these make it into the much more popular pilot I’m going to assume that one of us Honda guys will have one apart before the Acura guys just by default of having more units out on the road.
Thank you so much for this video
You are so welcome!
Yeah, I will stick with my J35y2. I guess it is the last straight forward variant of the J-series.
Enjoy it 👍🏻
Thanks for the great info, look like this kind of engine doesn't have deep stick for transmission like older generation engine? is that me for transmission service, only dealer can do it? Thanks
Correct, dipsticks are a thing of the past
Educational, thank you!
Thank you!
Добрый день ,очень интересное видео ,очень хотелось увидеть точно такое видео о двигателе хонда аккорд гибрид 2022г.спасибо
I’ll be working on that video soon
Have a ‘18 TLX 3.5. Interested in your professional opinion on disabling the vcm.
Do it 👍🏻
@@BCautosolutions would the S-VCM controller be a good one?
When you cut gas or spark to a piston while it is still moving, it will suck up oil past the rings. Disable VCM.
@@sksuppressor756 yeah went with the S-VCM device and haven't had any issues yet.
I work at Acura and I'm very interested to see the new dohc n/a j series. Don't know if any of the newer Acura models will get the new j series
Probably just the mdx/tlx-s
Thanks for an interesting video. I wonder how reliable it will be compared to the current 3.5 in my 2011 Odyssey? I have had zero issues on ours.
The j series is typically a reliable engine. 3 knows issues with the older j series are failed timing belt tensioners (they seem to have finally addressed that) sticking rings from vcm (simple software changes should have fixed that) and pitted camshafts which usually comes from running low on oil.
@Jazz16-rl5ts on the new DOHC engines?
I really liked your video! I wanted to ask if you could tell me which engine is more reliable, the Honda v6 in the 2023 pilot or the Toyota v6 in the Camry?
It’s a toss up tbh you can’t go wrong either way.
Hi, can you do a video on how to install the smart vcm on a 2023 Honda Pilot trailsport. Thank you
Sure get me the vcm unit and I will
Great Video! Looks like Honda created some space on the passenger side of the engine compartment.... could that be for changing the timing belt W/O loosening the mounts????
It’s definitely possible. Not so much for the tlx tho lol
@@BCautosolutions Since Honda re-designed the heads on this version of the 3.5L, did they happen to make it a non-interference type engine??? Or is it still interference type?
@@BCautosolutions So I have no (as in zero) experience with a transversely mounted engine, so with that in mind - can the timing belt on the 2022 MY Pilot be changed without pulling the engine? Do you know how much the job costs on the 22 MY? Or what it might cost on the 23 MY? I have to factor the cost of that maintenance into my ultimate choice of vehicle.
@@jsfbay1 yes, we do timing belts in the car. By the time is rolls around factoring in more work on the newer engine considering it requires a special tool to hold the cams im going to say current 22 and under model year about $1500 and newer maybe $1600-$1700. Give or take depending on location and labor rates. Would not be surprised to see these jobs costing close to 2k within next 5-10 years.
@@BCautosolutions Thanks. Labor in my area is up around $170/hour!!! Can you guess using hours rather than dollars? My mistake for asking for dollars - I live in the Silicon Valley (San Francisco Bay Area), which may be one of the top handful of most expensive places to live. This spills over to the labor rate for everything from a handyman ($75/hr) to plummers ($170/hr), to vehicle shop rates ($170/hr.)
Maybe it’s the big engine bay playing optical tricks, but does this engine look a bit on the compact side for a 3.5 liter V6?
I think it’s the engine bay
It's probably because it's a V6, not an I6
the cam bearing caps are integral/part of the valve cover... doesn't this complicate changing leaky valve cover gasket badly ?
Great video!
Thank you!
I have this engine in my 2023 Honda Pilot. The engine just failed with 5,500 miles. It began throwing a bunch of codes and lost power. They said a solenoid granaded on one of the heads and one entire head needs to be replaced but the part is on back order. In my mind metal shavings have now got in the oil and have been transferred throughout the engine because I was able to keep driving it home. The tech said they're are no signs of metal debris in the oil and that's why they are just doing the head. What do you think? I am so disappointed, the main reason I bought a Honda is because I was told they are very reliable. I was hoping to keep this car until 200k miles.
First off sorry about your experience and I appreciate you sharing. It’s the first that I’m hearing of. Not sure what exactly failed so tough to say why they are only doing the head although i can assure you if the oil was compromised they would have been doing a full engine.
@@BCautosolutions thanks for the response, love the channel by the way. I'll keep you updated on what ends up happening and how long it takes. Does Honda ever give extended warranties when stuff happens like this so early?
@@zx9green791 I appreciate that. From my experience no additional warranty has ever been granted.
@@BCautosolutions I forgot to tell you that I read the engine code before I took it to Honda it showed P25E2. I tried to look this up but found no information on it. Are you able to to see what this code means. FYI we are still waitingon parts.
@@zx9green791 valve timing so possibly a faulty solenoid or actuator
Thanks. I put a deposit down on one. I would love a look underneath at the oil filter that's mounted horizontally. Will I need a cap style wrench and how much clearance is there to remove the filter? Oh, and is there any plastic to remove to access the drain plug and filter? Thanks.
I will get one as soon as the pdi tech has one on the lift. There is a special tool that Honda sell for the oil filter to make it mess free on top of the subframe. I’ll try and get that for ya in a short video.
I have 23 Acura Type S which is pretty much identical as to the position of the oil filter. Probably the same oil filter. Turn the wheel to right and you will have easy access to the oil filter. A drain tool for the oil filter can be made very easily from the flap of a box from Amazon. Using the score of the flap make the width 3’ on each side of the score then 12” long. You can also put a small angle in it where it fits up against the engine below the air filter. Getting to the drain plug may be a little more trouble on the Pilot them the Type S as I can raise the Acura with its air suspension. But it really is a very easy oil change and not messy if you use the tool I described.
@@dndodd100 card lard works perfectly fine. That’s what I use at home even on my 19 pilot which is equally messy over the subframe. At work I have a bend it yourself funnel. Works just a great. The Honda tool is expensive especially for a diyer imo.
The regular MDX still has SOHC and VTEC, right?
Yeah, doesn’t make any sense to me lol
Is "Cam Phasors" the same thing as the VTC found in the original versions of Honda's 1.5t engines?
It’s variable cam gears in whichever way they work they all serve same function and purpose
hondamobilemechanic can you some how turn of or distable vcm ??? and since i couldn't find anything about towing except it can tow up 5K is it safe to pull small fishing boat which weight about 1500 lbs
Yes with a muzzler, yes 1,500 is fine.
Do you think this engine will be in the MDX when that model gets a midcycle refresh?
Yes
Need some advice debating om replacing my 2010 odyssey with 160k miles with this pilot
The odyssey needs brakes a timing belt and who knows what else
Should i replace it now or should I fix it up and wait a year to see how these hold up I am the original owner
Like anything else the first year problems will probably iron themselves out after next year. I would try and hold off another year imo
quick question I’m looking to buy a 2021 honda accord 2.0t, from your experience have you had any issues with the 2.0?
also another quick question, what do you think about the 2022 honda accord hybrids? (Engine: 2.0L 16-Valve DOHC i-VTEC 4-Cylinder) are they any good?
I’ve seen 1 blown head gasket, it was tuned and the guy drove it admittedly aggressive (really extreme always).
2 questions: With dual cams, assuming no rocker arms so would this still require periodic valve adjustment? 2nd, are the spark plugs in an easier position to get to?
No valve adjustments required any more as now there are lifters and tappets. Spark plugs probably around the similar position
Glad to see Honda getting rid of the VTEC in family vehicles. The vtec valves leak and fail. The front one leaks onto the alternator which causes that to fail. Plus the older VCM’s (‘09ish) had a Serv bulletin on the piston/rider rings. Still can’t beat this naturally aspirated V6.
Yep, those solenoids caused a ton of money to people.
@@BCautosolutions I know those problem cause I am a victim of them. But I still will buy another honda V6. No turbos, no hybrid - no nonsense!
I just took delivery of the 2023 Polit last week and I love it however....when I first start the vehicle there is a ticking sound, not loud, and after a few minutes it goes away. Is this normal? I only have about 500 miles on it.
I’ll have to pay attention to the next one I’m around. What are your ambient temps that your experiencing this?
cant belive they still use timing belt. VCM and timing belt is a big no, thats what makes honda engines unreliable.
That’s a negative. Don’t fix what’s been working. There’s no reason to reinvent the wheel here when the big EV push is just around the corner.
ON The 2019 Ridgeline is it a good idea to disable VCM?
It’s always better to have more power on tap
Thank you for the review...Just saw several catastrophic failures on these (for different reasons) being posted in some forums/ reddit coming from Honda techs
Most of feedback on this new engine is generally not good (eg valve cover is now part of camshaft hold down structure, valve mechanism design apparently regressed also, and some other not so good comments).
Why Honda?
We have yet to see any engine failures at my dealer but like anything new. There are some hiccups and adjustments.
are these new Honda pilots Direct Injected or Fuel injected? if so you think it being direct injected can cause problems down the road just cause of the pressure going into the pistons.?
Direct injection. It’ll be fine
Honda needs to get rid of timing belts enough already so unnecessary what's your opinion
That would require an all new j series. I’m this case the blocks are particularly unchanged. All they keep doing for the most part is re working heads. I like belts personally but chain does make sense. At this point with focused being shifted to EV I’m surprised we even have new heads.
They're quiet and don't eat tensioners
@@revvolutions funny you say that, our k24w actually suffer from a cold start rattle from the tensioner just like the j series 🤷🏼♂️
Edit: if you actually watched the video you would know that it now has a manual non hydraulic tensioner which will solve that.
Timing belts are not bad at all and get a bad reputation because of mechanics that like to fleece customers. I personally like the quieter operation and their freer revving nature. I have changed a few timing belts in my life (B17a1, H22a4, C27a2 & C30a) and it’s not that bad if you give yourself the time to do it.
I would like add that bad timing chain engines do exist (ahem GM) so don’t be disappointed right off the bat this Pilot uses a belt, I really doubt it will ever be an issue for you.
@@rushmatic it's just an unnecessary maintenance expense. Honda k series used chains very reliable an low maintenance
Why is Honda still living in old times with a timing belt and also, they should’ve improved the efficiency!
In a world of EV focus to redesign a whole new v6 would be counter productive.
Nothing wrong with belts, chains stretch and the guides wear and fail just as fast as the belts. Guess which one is more expensive to replace
@@k20z3allmotorFTW 💯
J35. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
I’m thankful they’re continuing with the V6.
Do you think they got rid of the vtec because it’s now a dohc engine is there any kind of connection between one and the other ?
I wondering the same. The deletion of VTEC doesn’t make sense as it would actually add power without hindering fuel efficiency. I’m scratching my head as the power figures aren’t much different from the SOHC VTEC predecessor.
Yeah it literally makes the same amount of power from what I understand
@@nathanielcasas8923 so the whole pitch was that the engine needed to be shortened in order to accommodate the tlx engine bay. With doing so and making the valve covers acting cam caps/holders i don’t think there was design room to allow for the traditional rocker arm setup found in older engine (vtec and non vtec) I do think they found a great balance producing torque super low and carrying the power to redline on the turbo engines atleast with the aid of the turbo as well).
Is it still an interference engine? I’ve had a belt break on a 2002 before and would love to not have any anxiety like I do with my 2013.
Yes it is. It’s only a problem if you don’t change it on time.
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Or fluids infiltrating the covers or water pump leak. Even a broken lower timing belt cover, had that happen. Hopefully, the new architecture takes into account fluid runoff.
@@humblerojo6300 timing chain engines have their fair of issues. We have more issues with timing chain components then we do with the timing belt stuff and this is facts not some final destination scenario like your implying here.
Timing chains stretch, even on some "reliable" manufacturers. Plus water pump replacement on chain driven engines is not far off from the belt/water pump service. I will say it would be nice if Honda would make the pistons with valve notches to become non-interference.
Wither way, I'm keeping my '15 Accord with its non-GDI J35Y1. It's been perfect.
Opinion on Passport 3.5L v6 or 1.5L Turbo CR-V
Passport all day. Crv is under powered and I’m not a fan on the 1.5t not one bit.
@@BCautosolutionswhat issues do you commonly see with the 1.5t to make you dislike it?
@@KW-1754 injectors, head gaskets, weak rods, blown turbos, etc…
Still a timing belt? For shame. It's been around for 20+ years and never updated. I love my J engines, had 2, but sick of this. I'll stick with R,K, and L. Thank you very freaking much.
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It looks like they still have 134a for Freon on the 23?
Had to be 1234yf it’s been since 2016 no way they went back. Tree huggers ain’t allowing that shit 🤣
@@BCautosolutions lol but the cap looks like 134a
@@GreaseMonkChronicles 🤷🏼♂️ I assure you it’s not tho
imagine if the epa didnt fuck with manufactures
This!
Saw the new pilot at my local auto show. Pilot was really disappointing for its price.
What would you like to see different?
@@BCautosolutions the model there was an elite and it was 54k. The interior felt cheap. The doors had so much cheap plastic on them, the screen was tiny. It just felt like a large civic for Acura mdx money. I also think it’s ridiculous that only the touring and up get a sunroof.
@@robbym3542 I agree with the sunroof and most definitely the infotainment screen. Needs 12” or better. As far as the plastics go idk why that’s considered a benchmark, idk how many people go pressing on their door panels and dashboards looking for the “soft touch panels”. Always thought and still só think that’s a ridiculous thing lol. I would prefer to have some added stitching or ambient lighting to make it look more premium. Appreciate your response 👍🏻
So I’m sure this new engine won’t last 300k miles with cylinder deactivation it’s Going to start to burn oil
We haven’t had issues since 2016 engines
@@BCautosolutions Great video! There are many Honda owners with J35 series engine who use aftermarket VCM muzzlers. Do you recommend using one for 2023 Honda Pilot? Any prediction on VCM causing engine issues if one does not install a muzzler?
anyone know how to disable VCM on these new engines? not a fan.
Have to get a muzzler.
@@BCautosolutions there's already one available for the J35Y8?
Do you ever have any issues with carbon build up because it’s only direct injection and not multi fuel injection?
Yes, it’s a thing for sure
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How do you prevent it or is their maintenance that can help? I have heard if you do a lot of short drives they tend to have more carbon build up vs if you do longer drive.
@@kylestump9789 can’t prevent it, would need port injection for that to wash the valves. You can remove it by having the intake valves media/walnut blasted.
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I drive a 2009 pilot with almost 170k miles and I do the maintenances and I’m looking into a newer suv for the family and I like the 2023 pilot or the 2022 highlander with the v6 but not a fan of only the direct injection. Thanks for replying back in the previous posts. I appreciate it.
@@kylestump9789 absolutely, good luck with whatever choice you end up with. 👍🏻👍🏻
Disappointed it’s still timing belt.
Why? It works. No need to reinvent the wheel here
I rather replace timing belt then have a stretched timing chain and worn plastic guides. This engine will run like new after every timing belt and tensioner replacement. For most timing chain engine services the tensioner replacement is overlooked.
Great engine but timing belt is so 1990s. 😂
No reason to reinvent the wheel here with the tree hugging push but I agree lol
If someone wanted to slap a turbo onto that puppy, would it work? 😁
I would have to confirm but I’m going to assume that you can
@@BCautosolutions yeah, i wonder if maybe the one from its Acura 3.0L cousin would mate up 🤔 thanks for the reply!
@@blessedbethecurse I’m pretty sure it work. More importantly I wonder if one head outflows the other. I already know the bottom end stuff im interchangeable. Let’s just say a 3.5t one way or another is possible.
Well new odyssey get this engine
Probably. Or at-least a very close variant of it.
@@BCautosolutions why do you think the Odyssey's engine would be any different?
didn’t the c series in the og nsx dohc with vtec? Soichiro Honda is turning in his grave right now. “If Honda does not race, there is no Honda” -SH
Yes it did. Dual cams with vtec although no vtc.