Ableton 11 is out!! I'm aware that a lot of thigs I talked about being missing from 10 are in 11. I'll be doing an updated video for both 11 and a revisit of Logic X very soon!
Yes, i was just like "WAIT A SECOND.. no audio stacks in ableton?" and then i realised it was version 10. 11 has amazing workflow similar to Logic (P.S. Hopefully that person above me gets banned as soon as possible)
For anyone wondering , they made the “Drum rack” better in Logic. It’s on par with Ableton now. The fact that you don’t have to pay for any updates is a huge plus.
I just love the ableton work flow, i often switch from strait producing to playing live, and having the different session and arrangement views is like having 2 daws in one, love it
The quality of this video is excellent! Two things you didn't mention: 1) Ableton's warp modes. They are incredibly powerful, and in my opinion make up for not having flex tool. 2) Wavetable and Analog synths in Ableton only come with the Suite version, which is the most expensive version. Just something to note.
Andrew Wunrow thanks sooo much for pointing this out! I completely spaced on the Suite version and have overlooked the warp feature. Pinning this comment!
Man, it's literally the best video on the topic and one of the best I've seen lately in terms of video production. Good quality, flow, jokes - amazing! Keep up the good work!
Great video, and super useful for people trying to decide between these two DAWS! I definitely needed this kind of video when I was starting out! There's a few important details that were missed on Logic's side, and thought it would be worth mentioning: for instance, zooming functionality (which I find more intuitive in Logic with shortcut keys and frustrating in Ableton); the fact that you can't split MIDI notes in Ableton (never understood why); the ability in Logic to have 3 different tools at once if you're using a mouse (left click, command-click, and right click) which makes editing, manipulating, and chopping clips a breeze; and even down to having a proper mixer in front of you like in Logic, where you can see everything, including proper meters with exact levels, and you can see all your sends/aux channels, etc. One final thing: you mentioned the drum rack in Logic not looking welcoming, but not sure why you are still using Ultrabeat, when you have the amazing new Drum Machine Designer which integrates the new Sampler/Quick Sampler, and I find is far better than Ableton's Drum Rack. Anyways, I see the benefits of both DAWS and jump between them like you, but since the 10.5 update, Logic has made a major leap in functionality and design that I think is important to mention. That being said, I know it would take too much time in a video to go into those kinds of minute details. And, of course, in the end, it all comes down to personal preference! Especially now that Ableton 11 will finally(!!) have comping like in Logic. Again, thank you for making this video!
Such great points!! And the more comments I read about things I missed in Logic, the more I'm certainly compelled to make another video: especially with Live 11 coming out. I've been dipping back into Logic recently as some of my older tunes are in there and I want to finish them. I've been trying to utilize the multitool function while in there and for whatever reason it just doesn't click with me (pun intended). There's something about Ableton's single mouse click that feels more intuitive than the multi-functional mouse click in Logic. I always find myself accidentally using a tool I didn't mean to use and switching back. Especially when cutting and fading. I think this is entirely preference as I can see on paper how Logic clearly wins here. As for sends and aux I absolutely hear this. It's way more clean in Logic. Once I got used to Ableton's flow, I find myself needing to check the meters in a "classic" way less imperative. Maybe I'm just...not a good mixer lol.But I've never felt the need to stare at the mixer longer than a few seconds while creating. I mostly do things by ear and at a glance. Perhaps a bad habit. Lastly, the new Drum Machine designer was horribly neglected purely due to the lack of experience. In fact, I don't even think I had it updated at the time of my recording. I've seen my buddy use it along with the smart drummer and it seems way more powerful. That'll be my first stop on the next video. Thanks SO much for your thoughtful comment!! Keep making music!
I just switch to LPX about 6 weeks ago, after many years of working everyday in Live. There was a steep learning curve coming from Live, and it was necessary to be patient with myself, and take the time to google very routine stuff. But since Live was my first DAW, I didn’t realize all the features in lacks, and frankly I don’t need live performance features in my DAW. I couldn’t ramble on about it, but I don’t think I’ll be going back.
@@Robert-kx8mp Glad you were able to find the DAW that works best for you! I totally hear you on these points and 100% agree. That being said, what works for you and me might not be what works for the next person. I know people who have also gone the other way (from Logic to Live) and swear that they'll never go back. C'est la vie! *shrugs* :)
My zoomer brain was both thoroughly entertained and educated with this vid! Honestly, all the questions were straight up answered, and it was a fun ride) Keep it up with more edu content, please 🙏
Cool video man, thanks! Just wanted to chime in (I know I know). You forgot about the "Mixer" in Logic and how you don't have to go into another window to access it. Also, all your plug-ins are right there. Now I'm not 100% sure about this next part because I use Logic for work (professional audio engineer) so I could be wrong. However, I'm pretty sure that Logic has a drum machine designer that is pretty much exactly the same as what you showed in Abelton. If my memory serves me correctly it's a series of boxes that you can drag and drop (or maybe load ??) different sounds in. However, I could be wrong. Thanks for the video tho man I'm getting ready to learn another DAW for work and I wanted to learn a little about Abelton. I'm currently using Logic for all my mixing and Harrison Mixbus to master. It's a toss-up between Abelton and Studio One. Thanks again!
Came from MasterTracks Pro and Cake Walk years ago. I have both Logic Pro (like a grown up version of both) and Ableton Live. Your fun and intuitive comparison was VERY helpful! I have been struggling with the learning curve of Ableton for MIDI but do love the instruments and tools. I related to your audio perspective and appreciated seeing the intuitive differences. Still clinging to Logic Pro but wanting to be comfortable with Ableton...Thanks for your POV
I've been on the fence between the two... I've been using Logic but there's just something about it that feels so clunky and unappealing. I recently installed Live Lite and just the design of the interface alone puts me in the most creative headspace. All the instruments, loops & plugins being there on the left is so good for workflow. And I love that you can create scenes... as a songwriter I often get SO MANY ideas and being able to just record all of them so quickly gives me the ability to get the idea down and listen back for what works best. I want to get the full version of Live!
Lm, I pretty much had the EXACT same experience. For what it's worth, Ableton has been a dream for my songwriting. It's expensive and has a learning curve, but I haven't looked back since! Good luck on your journey : )
@@Schmorgle I just downloaded the 90 day full trial last night, I couldn’t wait anymore I gotta get to work! Your video really did make all the difference, so thanku! I’m sure I’ll end up upgrading from live light to at least standard after the 90 day trial is up. Not sure if I need suite vs standard so now I have time to figure that out before an official purchase :)
This is exactly what I was looking for and it just randomly popped up on my phone. 🙏🏽 excellent, detailed breakdown, esp as I begin my home recording journey 💗
@@aaron4757 I’ve tried both Abelton and Logic on my Mac, and while I think Abelton is more customizable and comprehensive, I find that Logic is just so much easier to navigate and organize everything that my workflow is wayy much more efficient
I find that logic is actually great for editing audio, especially if you use the marquee tool as secondary tool to chop multiple layers together and experiment with the smart and absolute settings. I find its great for stutter edits and also creative arrangement of samples and making variations
Yeah I’ve had a few people challenge me on this and that makes sense. I too use the marquee just not with as much ease as most. I also see how doing absolute settings may ease some of that clunkyness as well. At its core i truly cure it as a preference thing. Thanks for sharing!
@@Schmorgle No problem man, also dope video! The cool thing about marquee tool is it actually functions like the scissor, if you click on the marquee selection after selecting. Its great for chopping samples and lifting specific parts of audio and midi regions
Your content is nothing short of amazing. I couldn't help but think about the hours it must have taken to edit everything. Well done, entertaining and informative. It has truly challenged me to make better content. Subbed!
P.S. Currently using Logic, I'm a bit of a beginner to all of it tbh though. Really liking Logic so will continue using it whilst I get my bearings on DAW's over the next year. Do you have any resources you would recommend for me to look into regarding producing music on Logic? Books/Courses/Videos etc. No sweat if not, but if you did that'd be awesome man! Take care!
Paul, thanks so much for the kind words and the sub! So glad to have you here! As for good resources, I don’t have any specifically since I mainly learned Logic by trial and error / RUclips videos. I did recently watch one that was helpful in terms of workflow! Otherwise I’d watch as much as you can online and then just keep working and writing music. That’s the best teacher. The basics: ruclips.net/video/7QQN_UFVpbk/видео.html Some workflow stuff: ruclips.net/video/wtkrVaEjJ0E/видео.html
I've been using Reaper for a while now and love it. I do wish it had a comp feature similar to Logic Pro though. You can kind of do it in Reaper, however it's not as intuitive and I find it easier just to put my second take on a brand new track. It's cool that Logic comes with so many MIDI instruments. My DAW didn't come with much, so I just got a MIDI controller. Yikes! That Logic drum rack does not look very user friendly. Ableton's built in synth looks like it would be fun to mess around with. I think if I had to choose one of these, I would go with Ableton because of its great drum and MIDI tools. Maybe I'll pick it up in the future.
I use both for different reasons!!! LPX for writing and AL for stage!!! Better is so vague!!! The better doesn’t exist it’s about preference and what workflow you like!!!
Evidently a lot of thought and time went into this video. Interesting, entertaining, and a well presented video. I know a few things are outdated now but the overall concept remains true today. Liked and subscribed.
wow I watch so many production videos IDK WHY HAVEN''T COME ACROSS THIS CHANNEL TIL NOW. I'm glad this came up on my google search. Just subscribed! You and your channel are so rad!! Keep em coming :)
owner of both, find Ableton faster, the search bar, automation etc. audio warping, grouping, but find logic has a way better mixer, using sends etc, using midi out vsts like scaler, also some added features like, mastering assistant, stem splitter. better visual expeirnce. all comes down to preference. I like to use logic for song writing/ production, and live for mashups, and live sets.
THANK YOU SIR have always been a fan of Logic, but I can see it in your eyes, they say ‘come on bro, Ableton is frankly better’. I trust your judgment because you have good humour. And lo, I switch.
For composers Logic and Cubase are wayyy better. Same goes for recording, editing and mixing. Ableton on the other side is very good in LIVE DJ TRIGGER stuff, loop-the-loop clips and crazy effects. I prefer Cubase, Logic too... ❤
I found this video very helpful and also entertaining! Justa wanted to do my part and leave a great comment. Love your energy and humour. I'm subbed. Keep doing it ! You quality is godly!
I’ve just switched from Logic Pro to Live 10, and watched the beat academy 1 hr long beginner tutorial which helped me a lot. No regrets and pretty happy with snappy interface and workflow. It’s a bit deeper learning curve compared to Logic but you’ll definitely get there.
@@Robert-kx8mp I want to move from Logic to Ableton for the stock plugins Ableton has… they’re so fucking good for sound design whereas Logic is just really basic in that department. Solid, yes. But too basic. Why did you switch from Ableton to Logic?
Awesome video!!! I love your personality and editing of this vid, it makes it so entertaining while also informative! Keep up the great work, you've gained a subscriber :)
Like so many people, I'm comparing Logic and Live using the 90-day trials. I'm new to DAWs and in no way do I want to go professional, its just for messing around in my small home studio. I have used Garageband before and it's good (and free !) so I though Logic would be the 'logical' step. But honestly, Ableton is a lot more fun, I like the looks of it better as well. Nice video, though, funny, good editing. Subscribed.
Yeah I was the exact same way! Logic made the most sense for me and did me well for years. After discovering Ableton, my mindset changed. I still value every second in both GB and Logic, but it comes down to what helps you stay creative! Thanks for the video and channel love, new friend!
Great video! I'm testing Ableton and FL Studio atm. I'm more familiar with FL but i feel Ableton is a bit more user friendly. I'm also not trying to make beats per se, but record some original music. Do you have any experience with FL? I'd love your input.
Thanks for watching! I have veeeeerry little experience with FL. I used an older version back in like 2005 or something. My experience with watching users online is that it's pretty dang powerful. I think it's automation friendly and packed with some useful tools. Can't speak on the workflow, but from the outside I see why people dig it.
Interesting. The more I watch/think about this, the more I'm convinced it's all about a trade-off between easy-to-use/speed vs. a ton off options. What get's you in the flow? Endless possibilities, or instant creation? That being said I personally think Ableton have managed to put a lot of functionality in software that is still comparatively easy to use. I surely hope that's still the case with Live 11....
Am I just bad with DAWs, or are Ableton's synths just... bad? When I play all the sample sounds down the list many of them sound the same and they sound weak. Like you said, I end up going for 3rd party synths too. Is this where mastering comes in? I'm more of an orchestral composer so I'm not familiar with electronic music programs, I just kind of expect it to sound at least decent without me having to heavily edit EQs, gains, whatever just to make it sound adequate... or am I just really bad with DAWs?
It's interesting how "Reason" is not among the most used music production software for bedroom studios. It used to be the case back in early-mid 2000's when I used to make a lot of music. It's perfectly suited for bedroom studios, unlike programs like Logic, Pro Tools, Cubase etc were best if you had a real studio with lots of hardware. But I think Reason's popularity fell dramatically after they managed to make it impossible to crack.
Ironically stopping piracy hurt Reason more than any money they lost to piracy. It's almost like if you charge a fair price and don't use annoying DRM, the consumers that buy the product will appreciate not dealing with license dongles and more beginners will adopt your DAW and spread the word to others. Case in point, look at FL Studio.
@@spht9ng To be honest, I doubt they lost that much money on the piracy itself. Most people who pirated it were not those who owned fancy studios or made money from the software. It was young 14-18 year old kids playing around with music, learning stuff. I know many that started like that, and eventually became paid costumers when they reached a level where they could make money from music. By cutting piracy, Reason lost those who wouldn't/couldn't buy the software anyway. Not those that would/could pay but were too cheap. By doing that, they lost a path for getting young talents hooked on the software, gain experience and become future costumers.
What I do on ableton is to choose my best takes and I just duplicate it and compare it. No need to create a new track but whatever gets you to get the job done is good
I just got a Macbook pro with the M1. My main goal is to record, mix, and EQ my own vocals. I’m into stacking harmonies, so I end up with tons of tracks (often 80+) Would I have a better experience working with Logic Pro or Ableton? I also have a Roland Juno that I’d like to play around with from a midi perspective. What do you all suggest?
I would say Ableton - but I've never tried Logic but used other DAWs such as Reaper, Pro Tools First, Studio One Free, Audacity and Audition. Ableton is designed for Live stuff - hence the name Ableton Live - and thus has almost zero latency (especially if you use the stock plugins) and really CPU light. That doesn't mean that it does never stuttter -although I have a M1 Pro now, my old 2015 used to make it CPU spike when I added third party plugins like Arturia REV or iZotopes Nectar or Ozone Elements onto a few tracks. M1 Pro -hardly ever happens unless I go crazy with mad delays and the feedback zaps the CPU. You would need to get Live Studio though, Live Lite has a 8 track limit, although you can use many more clips (confusing but it has two views, Arrangement is like a DAW, Session is not and fairly unique - people usually like one or the other).
I’m a Logic user and there are a lot of things I really like about Logic like the way it handles MIDI and drum machine designer, etc. but I feel like I’m outgrowing it. Ableton’s stock plugins are just so good… you literally don’t need third party plugins with ableton. Unfortunately, this is not the case with logic.
Exactly!! I’m a sound technician and I must agree! Been on Logic for eight years and decided to try the Ableton demo and was impressed on how much better the instruments and effects sound! Logic is great but the sounds and processors actually suck!!
The last 20 years I've used many DAWS but today I'm a Reason user. It's funny but everything you did in Logic, I can do it faster and cleaner in Reason. The Drum Rack UI was just awful. Kudos to Ableton for the mighty range tool and single monitor design.
Are they both better than using Fl? Cuz if I’m gonna buy a full version of anything I wanna get the best possible. I mostly want to make beats & record
Worked with all the Main DAWs, but when it comes to Workflow, Ableton is unbeatable. But the Logic Pakage is more Complete, more Tools and better Sound for less Money. My Opinion.
hey thanks :) that was informative and enjoyable - you’ve earned a new sub! i love logic and I haven’t seen other youtube videos touching on how logic crashes more often. I also think the top window in logic that tells you what chord you’re playing on any midi controller is sooo underrated. I find ableton’s session view quite confusing too - i don’t really understand how the session blocks interact with the arrangement view. Would love to see you cover something like that!
Thanks so much for the sub and thoughtful comment! I too agree that Logic has some great accessibility features like the chord naming thing you mentioned. Crashes only seem to happen when I'm running a really full session with a lot of plugins, I've only crashed on Ableton once while bouncing stems for a huge session. As for the session view, I truly think it's a matter of preference. I definitely was confused by it at first, and now I strangely prefer the workflow. That's one of those things where it truly matters how well you operate in a DAW that should hold the most sway. Thanks again for hanging and I'll happily work on more in -depth coverage of both DAWs!
Ableton 11 is out!! I'm aware that a lot of thigs I talked about being missing from 10 are in 11. I'll be doing an updated video for both 11 and a revisit of Logic X very soon!
Yes, i was just like "WAIT A SECOND.. no audio stacks in ableton?" and then i realised it was version 10. 11 has amazing workflow similar to Logic
(P.S. Hopefully that person above me gets banned as soon as possible)
FL STUDIO!
Truth for actual compostions..... Anvil Studio!
@@AMPProf dude it performs like garbage, the coding of that software is ancient!
@@jaegerschtulmann sure but you don't need something new to compose music in note form!
For anyone wondering , they made the “Drum rack” better in Logic. It’s on par with Ableton now.
The fact that you don’t have to pay for any updates is a huge plus.
you don't have to pay for updates but you have to pay for upgrades. just like every software that exists.
@@Kevinschart FL has lifetime updates no?
@@NeoDeXs that's true. fair point.
Logics drum rack cannot make internal drum sends within the plugin itself like Ableton. So maybe they still have a little bit to go with that.
@@Kevinschart No you don't. The updates for Logic have been free since 2013. I think FL does that too.
I just love the ableton work flow, i often switch from strait producing to playing live, and having the different session and arrangement views is like having 2 daws in one, love it
The quality of this video is excellent! Two things you didn't mention: 1) Ableton's warp modes. They are incredibly powerful, and in my opinion make up for not having flex tool. 2) Wavetable and Analog synths in Ableton only come with the Suite version, which is the most expensive version. Just something to note.
Andrew Wunrow thanks sooo much for pointing this out! I completely spaced on the Suite version and have overlooked the warp feature. Pinning this comment!
@@Schmorgle can you make an update to this now that Ableton has comping and new updates in live 11 thanks for the grade videos
"if Finneas prefers logic than I prefer logic too" that's why I prefer logic too lmao
this guy is underrated
Yea, this was fantastic.
Very true
The humor you add to your videos genuinely helps me learn everything so much faster LOL. Thanks for all you do!!!! these are AMAZING!!!!!
Haha thanks so much!! Glad it was helpful!
You have the best sense of humor among all the youtubers in this field, and It's really enjoyable watching your videos.
2:40 Now there’s comping on Ableton Live 11! 🤠
So stoked!
That’s right good ob
Man, it's literally the best video on the topic and one of the best I've seen lately in terms of video production.
Good quality, flow, jokes - amazing!
Keep up the good work!
Ah thanks!! I really appreciate that feedback. Happy music making 🎶
This video is such high tier and informative - deserves a tonne more views!
Ah dang! Really appreciate that, John.
Ableton 11 will finally have comping! I'm so excited for that
Yeah It's Awesome
Bounce in place ?
@@DJSidhu24 Yeah
Love the expressive editing! Great job!
Kaitlyn thanks, Kaitlyn!
Great video, and super useful for people trying to decide between these two DAWS! I definitely needed this kind of video when I was starting out! There's a few important details that were missed on Logic's side, and thought it would be worth mentioning: for instance, zooming functionality (which I find more intuitive in Logic with shortcut keys and frustrating in Ableton); the fact that you can't split MIDI notes in Ableton (never understood why); the ability in Logic to have 3 different tools at once if you're using a mouse (left click, command-click, and right click) which makes editing, manipulating, and chopping clips a breeze; and even down to having a proper mixer in front of you like in Logic, where you can see everything, including proper meters with exact levels, and you can see all your sends/aux channels, etc. One final thing: you mentioned the drum rack in Logic not looking welcoming, but not sure why you are still using Ultrabeat, when you have the amazing new Drum Machine Designer which integrates the new Sampler/Quick Sampler, and I find is far better than Ableton's Drum Rack. Anyways, I see the benefits of both DAWS and jump between them like you, but since the 10.5 update, Logic has made a major leap in functionality and design that I think is important to mention. That being said, I know it would take too much time in a video to go into those kinds of minute details. And, of course, in the end, it all comes down to personal preference! Especially now that Ableton 11 will finally(!!) have comping like in Logic. Again, thank you for making this video!
Such great points!! And the more comments I read about things I missed in Logic, the more I'm certainly compelled to make another video: especially with Live 11 coming out. I've been dipping back into Logic recently as some of my older tunes are in there and I want to finish them.
I've been trying to utilize the multitool function while in there and for whatever reason it just doesn't click with me (pun intended). There's something about Ableton's single mouse click that feels more intuitive than the multi-functional mouse click in Logic. I always find myself accidentally using a tool I didn't mean to use and switching back. Especially when cutting and fading. I think this is entirely preference as I can see on paper how Logic clearly wins here.
As for sends and aux I absolutely hear this. It's way more clean in Logic. Once I got used to Ableton's flow, I find myself needing to check the meters in a "classic" way less imperative. Maybe I'm just...not a good mixer lol.But I've never felt the need to stare at the mixer longer than a few seconds while creating. I mostly do things by ear and at a glance. Perhaps a bad habit.
Lastly, the new Drum Machine designer was horribly neglected purely due to the lack of experience. In fact, I don't even think I had it updated at the time of my recording. I've seen my buddy use it along with the smart drummer and it seems way more powerful. That'll be my first stop on the next video.
Thanks SO much for your thoughtful comment!! Keep making music!
I just switch to LPX about 6 weeks ago, after many years of working everyday in Live. There was a steep learning curve coming from Live, and it was necessary to be patient with myself, and take the time to google very routine stuff. But since Live was my first DAW, I didn’t realize all the features in lacks, and frankly I don’t need live performance features in my DAW. I couldn’t ramble on about it, but I don’t think I’ll be going back.
@@Robert-kx8mp Glad you were able to find the DAW that works best for you! I totally hear you on these points and 100% agree. That being said, what works for you and me might not be what works for the next person. I know people who have also gone the other way (from Logic to Live) and swear that they'll never go back. C'est la vie! *shrugs* :)
That was really really great! Ableton was my first DAW and yeaaa, I'm staying put Ableton - Thanks man!
It's my home too!
Finally hit that point where my trails ran out and have to make a decision about which one I am going to buy lmao. Awesome vid!!
That last bit it's all I wanted to hear.
Thank you for going through the trouble of showing me *WHY* they are good or bad at something.... this helps me much more awesomely!
Awesome! Glad it helped.
I remember you from about 7 months ago, nice change growth!
I have worked on almost every DAW and ableton live is the best DAW for music production/arrangements/layering and audio engineering
i liked your way in explanation and specially your editing in the video (it's fire), thank you for the video, you got a new subscriber
Thanks, pal!
This is the best free software Ive seen. Respect.
My zoomer brain was both thoroughly entertained and educated with this vid! Honestly, all the questions were straight up answered, and it was a fun ride) Keep it up with more edu content, please 🙏
Ah nice! Appreciate it, pal!
Cool video man, thanks! Just wanted to chime in (I know I know). You forgot about the "Mixer" in Logic and how you don't have to go into another window to access it. Also, all your plug-ins are right there. Now I'm not 100% sure about this next part because I use Logic for work (professional audio engineer) so I could be wrong. However, I'm pretty sure that Logic has a drum machine designer that is pretty much exactly the same as what you showed in Abelton. If my memory serves me correctly it's a series of boxes that you can drag and drop (or maybe load ??) different sounds in. However, I could be wrong. Thanks for the video tho man I'm getting ready to learn another DAW for work and I wanted to learn a little about Abelton. I'm currently using Logic for all my mixing and Harrison Mixbus to master. It's a toss-up between Abelton and Studio One. Thanks again!
Came from MasterTracks Pro and Cake Walk years ago. I have both Logic Pro (like a grown up version of both) and Ableton Live. Your fun and intuitive comparison was VERY helpful! I have been struggling with the learning curve of Ableton for MIDI but do love the instruments and tools. I related to your audio perspective and appreciated seeing the intuitive differences. Still clinging to Logic Pro but wanting to be comfortable with Ableton...Thanks for your POV
I've been on the fence between the two... I've been using Logic but there's just something about it that feels so clunky and unappealing. I recently installed Live Lite and just the design of the interface alone puts me in the most creative headspace. All the instruments, loops & plugins being there on the left is so good for workflow. And I love that you can create scenes... as a songwriter I often get SO MANY ideas and being able to just record all of them so quickly gives me the ability to get the idea down and listen back for what works best. I want to get the full version of Live!
Lm, I pretty much had the EXACT same experience. For what it's worth, Ableton has been a dream for my songwriting. It's expensive and has a learning curve, but I haven't looked back since! Good luck on your journey : )
@@Schmorgle I just downloaded the 90 day full trial last night, I couldn’t wait anymore I gotta get to work! Your video really did make all the difference, so thanku! I’m sure I’ll end up upgrading from live light to at least standard after the 90 day trial is up. Not sure if I need suite vs standard so now I have time to figure that out before an official purchase :)
@@Lmachine1 heck yeah!! Have a blast and good luck with your work flow!
Great video! Thanks for breaking down each DAW's key features. The manipulating audio section is hilarious! XD
nail on the head im coming from garageband so this helps a lot
Ah awesome! Glad to hear it.
This is exactly what I was looking for and it just randomly popped up on my phone. 🙏🏽 excellent, detailed breakdown, esp as I begin my home recording journey 💗
With the M1 macs now, logic pro x all the way. It's so much performance now even compared to my stupid trashcan mac pro. It's insane.
Why not ableton on a Mac with M1? And I’m guessing u use lots of plugins right?
@@aaron4757 I don't like ableton workflow.
@@aaron4757 I’ve tried both Abelton and Logic on my Mac, and while I think Abelton is more customizable and comprehensive, I find that Logic is just so much easier to navigate and organize everything that my workflow is wayy much more efficient
Ableton Live + Push2 for me the best.
I find that logic is actually great for editing audio, especially if you use the marquee tool as secondary tool to chop multiple layers together and experiment with the smart and absolute settings. I find its great for stutter edits and also creative arrangement of samples and making variations
Yeah I’ve had a few people challenge me on this and that makes sense. I too use the marquee just not with as much ease as most. I also see how doing absolute settings may ease some of that clunkyness as well. At its core i truly cure it as a preference thing. Thanks for sharing!
@@Schmorgle No problem man, also dope video! The cool thing about marquee tool is it actually functions like the scissor, if you click on the marquee selection after selecting. Its great for chopping samples and lifting specific parts of audio and midi regions
Your content is nothing short of amazing. I couldn't help but think about the hours it must have taken to edit everything. Well done, entertaining and informative. It has truly challenged me to make better content. Subbed!
That means so much!! Thanks a ton. Good luck with your content!
Bro!! Awesome vid! Can't believe how little views this video has. You got yourself a new sub! Keep up the good work!
P.S. Currently using Logic, I'm a bit of a beginner to all of it tbh though. Really liking Logic so will continue using it whilst I get my bearings on DAW's over the next year. Do you have any resources you would recommend for me to look into regarding producing music on Logic? Books/Courses/Videos etc. No sweat if not, but if you did that'd be awesome man! Take care!
Paul, thanks so much for the kind words and the sub! So glad to have you here! As for good resources, I don’t have any specifically since I mainly learned Logic by trial and error / RUclips videos. I did recently watch one that was helpful in terms of workflow! Otherwise I’d watch as much as you can online and then just keep working and writing music. That’s the best teacher.
The basics:
ruclips.net/video/7QQN_UFVpbk/видео.html
Some workflow stuff:
ruclips.net/video/wtkrVaEjJ0E/видео.html
I've been using Reaper for a while now and love it. I do wish it had a comp feature similar to Logic Pro though. You can kind of do it in Reaper, however it's not as intuitive and I find it easier just to put my second take on a brand new track.
It's cool that Logic comes with so many MIDI instruments. My DAW didn't come with much, so I just got a MIDI controller. Yikes! That Logic drum rack does not look very user friendly. Ableton's built in synth looks like it would be fun to mess around with.
I think if I had to choose one of these, I would go with Ableton because of its great drum and MIDI tools. Maybe I'll pick it up in the future.
I use both for different reasons!!! LPX for writing and AL for stage!!! Better is so vague!!! The better doesn’t exist it’s about preference and what workflow you like!!!
This is the way!!
Evidently a lot of thought and time went into this video. Interesting, entertaining, and a well presented video. I know a few things are outdated now but the overall concept remains true today. Liked and subscribed.
Any of the top 5 DAWs are great for creating your tracks. But for serious mixing & mastering, it's ProTools Schorgle.
this was really well made and funny, you should have way more views
Me being someone who likes using both softwares and is still a novice at both, I really appreciate your thoughts and ideas here.
JTMusicbox I too use both all the time!
wow I watch so many production videos IDK WHY HAVEN''T COME ACROSS THIS CHANNEL TIL NOW. I'm glad this came up on my google search. Just subscribed! You and your channel are so rad!! Keep em coming :)
Ah dang! Thanks so much!!
Great video. Even without Abletons update I see it's advantages over logic. Your animations are hilarious. Thanks!
Love your last Statement Man! 😀
Awesome energy and character...comparison is awesome
Very informative and lots of fun to watch. You, sir, are an entertainer at heart.
Great Video, thank you for your time, Loved it!!
owner of both, find Ableton faster, the search bar, automation etc. audio warping, grouping, but find logic has a way better mixer, using sends etc, using midi out vsts like scaler, also some added features like, mastering assistant, stem splitter. better visual expeirnce. all comes down to preference. I like to use logic for song writing/ production, and live for mashups, and live sets.
new to all of this and found this video exceptionally helpful! thank you so much!
THANK YOU SIR have always been a fan of Logic, but I can see it in your eyes, they say ‘come on bro, Ableton is frankly better’. I trust your judgment because you have good humour. And lo, I switch.
Hahaha I appreciate all this! Thanks and happy music making.
Very informative and fun to watch. I’m leaning toward Ableton 🤔
4:00 you can also hit ctrl+alt+u to show take lanes
For composers Logic and Cubase are wayyy better. Same goes for recording, editing and mixing.
Ableton on the other side is very good in LIVE DJ TRIGGER stuff, loop-the-loop clips and crazy effects.
I prefer Cubase, Logic too... ❤
I found this video very helpful and also entertaining! Justa wanted to do my part and leave a great comment. Love your energy and humour. I'm subbed. Keep doing it ! You quality is godly!
Great video! Thanks man. Love your post production editing on the videos too. Bravo.
You seriously rock. THANKS for this! (PS I literally LOLed at the Owen Wilson cameo)
You can create key commands in logic to close all the plugin windows or open slot 1,2,3 etc.. saves so much time
Good to know!! Yeah there’s a lot of internal customization I overlooked. Thanks!
I’ve just switched from Logic Pro to Live 10, and watched the beat academy 1 hr long beginner tutorial which helped me a lot. No regrets and pretty happy with snappy interface and workflow. It’s a bit deeper learning curve compared to Logic but you’ll definitely get there.
I’m the opposite, finally made the move to Logic after years of working in Live everyday.
@@Robert-kx8mp i wonder what was the reason for you to switch
@@post-man23 and we wonder what was YOUR reason foe the switch. 😜
@@cjgoeson No big reason actually. Bought a new windows laptop. That was it.
@@Robert-kx8mp I want to move from Logic to Ableton for the stock plugins Ableton has… they’re so fucking good for sound design whereas Logic is just really basic in that department. Solid, yes. But too basic. Why did you switch from Ableton to Logic?
Woah, great video mate!
I just loved the way you explained 😛
Love your artsy answer. I use Logic myself - now maybe I will get Ableton too ;)
Thank you for explaining this thoroughly!
I used Logic for years, and didn't even know about the first features you mentioned lol
haha I like your vibe my man! ...this was fun to watch. thank you
The reverse audio in ableton was Bob from Minions😶✌🏻
Awesome video and amazing personality
The Star Wars theme made my day.... lolllll
Very helpful video. Thank you 🙏🏽
Shannon Sullivan thanks for stopping by!
Awesome video!!! I love your personality and editing of this vid, it makes it so entertaining while also informative! Keep up the great work, you've gained a subscriber :)
Thanks so much, Mason!
i’m still stuck at which one to get, i want to make beats mainly vs recording vocals. what should i do?
2 reasons I have ableton live is.
1. I have a pc
2. I had lite when bought my focusrite scarlet 2i2 .
excellent video.
Short version: the killer feature of Ableton Live is the Effect Rack (Chain Editor)
Like so many people, I'm comparing Logic and Live using the 90-day trials. I'm new to DAWs and in no way do I want to go professional, its just for messing around in my small home studio. I have used Garageband before and it's good (and free !) so I though Logic would be the 'logical' step. But honestly, Ableton is a lot more fun, I like the looks of it better as well. Nice video, though, funny, good editing. Subscribed.
Yeah I was the exact same way! Logic made the most sense for me and did me well for years. After discovering Ableton, my mindset changed. I still value every second in both GB and Logic, but it comes down to what helps you stay creative! Thanks for the video and channel love, new friend!
Thank you! This was such a helpful and informative video. I loved seeing the comparison in such a direct way!
thoroughly enjoyed this! Thanks! Super fun!
Comping is now awesome in Ableton 11, just activate those lane tracks !
Lovely video, great editing, thanks for the comparison... that Davie504 at 9:08 got me lol :D
Great video! I'm testing Ableton and FL Studio atm. I'm more familiar with FL but i feel Ableton is a bit more user friendly. I'm also not trying to make beats per se, but record some original music. Do you have any experience with FL? I'd love your input.
Thanks for watching! I have veeeeerry little experience with FL. I used an older version back in like 2005 or something. My experience with watching users online is that it's pretty dang powerful. I think it's automation friendly and packed with some useful tools. Can't speak on the workflow, but from the outside I see why people dig it.
And now Ableton will have comping in 11 (amongst some other neat stuff). Really nice comparison dude!
Awesome video, loved the breakdowns! Thank you
Interesting. The more I watch/think about this, the more I'm convinced it's all about a trade-off between easy-to-use/speed vs. a ton off options. What get's you in the flow? Endless possibilities, or instant creation? That being said I personally think Ableton have managed to put a lot of functionality in software that is still comparatively easy to use. I surely hope that's still the case with Live 11....
It totally is still easy in 11! But yes, you’re spot on. Whatever keeps you in flow.
Really nice and helpful... Thanks!
Gotta use Ableton lite until my dumb Apple ID with logic takes a month to verify and get it back... this helped a lot, thanks!
Am I just bad with DAWs, or are Ableton's synths just... bad? When I play all the sample sounds down the list many of them sound the same and they sound weak. Like you said, I end up going for 3rd party synths too.
Is this where mastering comes in? I'm more of an orchestral composer so I'm not familiar with electronic music programs, I just kind of expect it to sound at least decent without me having to heavily edit EQs, gains, whatever just to make it sound adequate... or am I just really bad with DAWs?
Hey! Thanks so much for this video!
My pleasure!
It's interesting how "Reason" is not among the most used music production software for bedroom studios. It used to be the case back in early-mid 2000's when I used to make a lot of music. It's perfectly suited for bedroom studios, unlike programs like Logic, Pro Tools, Cubase etc were best if you had a real studio with lots of hardware. But I think Reason's popularity fell dramatically after they managed to make it impossible to crack.
Ironically stopping piracy hurt Reason more than any money they lost to piracy. It's almost like if you charge a fair price and don't use annoying DRM, the consumers that buy the product will appreciate not dealing with license dongles and more beginners will adopt your DAW and spread the word to others. Case in point, look at FL Studio.
@@spht9ng To be honest, I doubt they lost that much money on the piracy itself. Most people who pirated it were not those who owned fancy studios or made money from the software. It was young 14-18 year old kids playing around with music, learning stuff. I know many that started like that, and eventually became paid costumers when they reached a level where they could make money from music.
By cutting piracy, Reason lost those who wouldn't/couldn't buy the software anyway. Not those that would/could pay but were too cheap. By doing that, they lost a path for getting young talents hooked on the software, gain experience and become future costumers.
What I do on ableton is to choose my best takes and I just duplicate it and compare it. No need to create a new track but whatever gets you to get the job done is good
I love this guy, man!!! Wonderful video
Thanks so much for watching!
You defiantly helped thx bro
I just got a Macbook pro with the M1. My main goal is to record, mix, and EQ my own vocals. I’m into stacking harmonies, so I end up with tons of tracks (often 80+) Would I have a better experience working with Logic Pro or Ableton? I also have a Roland Juno that I’d like to play around with from a midi perspective. What do you all suggest?
I would say Ableton - but I've never tried Logic but used other DAWs such as Reaper, Pro Tools First, Studio One Free, Audacity and Audition.
Ableton is designed for Live stuff - hence the name Ableton Live - and thus has almost zero latency (especially if you use the stock plugins) and really CPU light. That doesn't mean that it does never stuttter -although I have a M1 Pro now, my old 2015 used to make it CPU spike when I added third party plugins like Arturia REV or iZotopes Nectar or Ozone Elements onto a few tracks. M1 Pro -hardly ever happens unless I go crazy with mad delays and the feedback zaps the CPU.
You would need to get Live Studio though, Live Lite has a 8 track limit, although you can use many more clips (confusing but it has two views, Arrangement is like a DAW, Session is not and fairly unique - people usually like one or the other).
Flex Pitch is great... Melodyne also has some strange artifacts depending on the audio file.
Very true!
I’m a Logic user and there are a lot of things I really like about Logic like the way it handles MIDI and drum machine designer, etc. but I feel like I’m outgrowing it. Ableton’s stock plugins are just so good… you literally don’t need third party plugins with ableton. Unfortunately, this is not the case with logic.
Exactly!! I’m a sound technician and I must agree! Been on Logic for eight years and decided to try the Ableton demo and was impressed on how much better the instruments and effects sound! Logic is great but the sounds and processors actually suck!!
The last 20 years I've used many DAWS but today I'm a Reason user. It's funny but everything you did in Logic, I can do it faster and cleaner in Reason. The Drum Rack UI was just awful.
Kudos to Ableton for the mighty range tool and single monitor design.
You saved my life. Thanks…
Are they both better than using Fl? Cuz if I’m gonna buy a full version of anything I wanna get the best possible. I mostly want to make beats & record
FL is pretty great for that too! My rec would be FL or Ableton. What did you end up going with?
For your „crash“,find out the perfect buffer size. It’s not a crash, just logic telling you the allowed size of resources is used out.
15:08 lmfao I immediately imagined grohl screaming BEST
Thank you, it works perfect!
Worked with all the Main DAWs, but when it comes to Workflow, Ableton is unbeatable. But the Logic Pakage is more Complete, more Tools and better Sound for less Money. My Opinion.
hey thanks :) that was informative and enjoyable - you’ve earned a new sub! i love logic and I haven’t seen other youtube videos touching on how logic crashes more often. I also think the top window in logic that tells you what chord you’re playing on any midi controller is sooo underrated. I find ableton’s session view quite confusing too - i don’t really understand how the session blocks interact with the arrangement view. Would love to see you cover something like that!
Thanks so much for the sub and thoughtful comment! I too agree that Logic has some great accessibility features like the chord naming thing you mentioned. Crashes only seem to happen when I'm running a really full session with a lot of plugins, I've only crashed on Ableton once while bouncing stems for a huge session.
As for the session view, I truly think it's a matter of preference. I definitely was confused by it at first, and now I strangely prefer the workflow. That's one of those things where it truly matters how well you operate in a DAW that should hold the most sway.
Thanks again for hanging and I'll happily work on more in -depth coverage of both DAWs!