As always, an excellent and informative episode. I read somewhere that Alexander ('Drino') Mountbatten was quite the snob and was greatly upset by the loss of his princely title. Apparently, this caused much amusement within the Royal Family, including King George V and Queen Mary!
Thank you! This adds an interesting angle to the controversy early in Elizabeth II's reign about the name of the royal house. Prince Philip's complaint that he was the only man in Britain not allowed [at that time] to give his name to his children seems to have had some precedent in earlier generations of his family.
@EarlyMusicDiva Louis Mountbatten was ambitious, he never got over his father being dismissed from the Admiralty in WWI and losing the Battenberg's royal titles very early in our late Queen's reign Louis was at a dinner party and toasted the House of Mountbatten, this got back to The Queen Mother who informed Queen Mary who spoke to Winston Churchill Thank god our Queen listened to her Prime Minister didn't stop Mountbatten though, years later he wanted Charles and his grandaughter to marry
@@EF5Winds Prince Philip's Real Surname Was A Branch Of The House Of Oldenburg,A German-Danish Dynasty That Was Established In Germany For Hundreds Of Years,Became The Royal Family Of Denmark,And Branches Also Ruled,Greece,Russia And Norway.
George Donatus was the husband of Princess Cecile, Prince Philip's sister and his father was Prince Ernst of Hesse. Philip's grandmother was Princess Victoria of Hesse. Victoria and Ernst of Hesse were brother and sister and they were both children of Princess Alice who was the second daughter of Queen Victoria. Alice died in 1878, the first of Queen Victoria's nine children to die and Ernst was her only son to live to adulthood. Philip and Cecile were brother and sister and their mother was also named Alice who was the oldest daughter of Victoria of Hesse(she lived until 1950). So, Cecile and her husband George married and had three children. Cecile's grandmother Victoria and George's father Ernst were brother and sister they shared the same grandchildren together. I think that it was in 1936 or '37 that Cecile and George along with his mother and their children were killed in a plane crash in Europe. Ernst himself died a year later, heartbroken over the loss of his family. Prince Ernst of Hesse had a second son though who lived a lot longer until the 1960's or 70's at least. Also Ernst and Victoria's youngest sister was Alexandra, the wife of Nicholas II, the last Czar of Russia who were murdered during the Russian revolution in 1918. I know that this is a long comment but I find it fascinating mixed-up part of European royal history. ( Also, King Charles III of England is Victoria of Hesse' great great grandson).
Thank you for that, Michael. I visited the grave site of this family of Hesse- Darmstadt while residing in Frankfurt. Not knowing the story, I was shocked to learn that Ernst, Grand Duke of H-D, died a month before a tragic plane crash in 1937, which killed his widow, his heir, Georg Donatus, the latter’s heir and his spare, as well as his wife, Cecile (Prince Philip’s sister) while on their way to England to attend Georg’s younger step-brother’s wedding to an Englishwoman. The pilot apparently attempted to land the plane in a fog because Cecile unexpectedly began delivering the baby. So tragic !! 😢
Among other insights, this shows to me that greater social mobility was possible within the British class system, relative to its continental counterparts - at least as far as noble and royal classes, are concerned. It's a little surprising, since the UK is perceived as having had a very fixed and stratified social hierarchy. Anyway, thanks again for another excellent video, and greetings as always from rainy British Columbia.
Thank you! This video filled in so many blanks for me. I kinda sorta had an idea of the familial relationships, but this laid it out beautifully. It really shows the Anglification of the family in pretty much just one generation. The Mountbattens now are about as British as fish and chips! Thank you again for this very informative episode.
Very informative video, I never knew how the relationship between the Mountbatten family and the British Royal family worked. Truly appreciate your work.
Very interesting to hear the history of the Battenbergs before the 20th century. Going off on a bit of a tangent here. The inheritance through Victoria's female descendants of the hemophilia gene fascinates me, particularly the granddaughters, the eventual Queen of Spain and Tsarina of Russia. I realize that they didn't really understand how it worked, but they knew female descendants of Victoria could pass it on to their sons. I have a hard time understanding why two such high ranking men as the King of Spain and the Tsar of Russia would choose to marry those women. Without Alexi's disease the Russian Revolution might not have happened the way it did.
Nicholas was in love with his wife when he proposed to her. He was already in love with her. At first, his parents with held permission. They didn’t care for her. Then Nick father bec unexpectedly ill with untreatable (at the time) kidney disease, in his late 40s, Nick parents relented and gave Nick permission to marry her. There was no dialysis treatment for kidney failure until many years later. In the 🇺🇸, a very popular actress who was a huge star (the “original” blond “bombshell” before Marilyn Monroe) died at age 26 from kidney failure in either the 1930s or early 1940s bec there was no dialysis or treatment for kidney failure. Kidney failure was a death sentence bec there was no treatment.
Great video and I could actually keep up (barely!) I remember when Lord Mountbatten was killed, I believe in the 70’s? He was a favorite of the Prince of Wales, now, King Charles.
Just a few weeks ago made.some research about the 1st earl Mountbatten of Burma and some references about certain particular activities I found quite disturbing.
Yes I know exactly what you are talking about. Needless to say, it’s been swept under the carpet as if it’s a trivial matter which of course it absolutely isn’t. It’s a shocking disgrace.
I went to an American high school in Wiesbaden, Germany. I wish I had discovered my passion for history earlier and took advantage of my living situation at that time by visiting more historical places. Now I'm 40 and I haven't been back to Europe since. Fingers crossed that I win the lottery one day so I can travel again.
So in my mind there are (or were) three related but distinct branches of the Mountbattens. The Carisbrooke Mountbattens, the Milford Haven Mountbattens, and the Edinburgh Mountbattens who are Prince Philip and his descendants.
One of Prince Phillip’s sisters Cecile, married her first cousin once removed, Prince George Donatus of Hesse. He was the son of her mother Alice’s uncle Ernst, The Grand Duke of Hesse. His sister was Alexandra the last Empress of Russia.
@@kevinklingner7712 Yes Elizabeth, she married Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich a son of Tsar Alexander II. After his assassination in 1905 Elizabeth joined a convent and became a Russian orthodox nun. She too was murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
@shenicasmith9054 imeansthe cousin was through aunt the a cousin through the female not the male line . She married malegrand descendant of her father's or mothers great Aunt
Thanks for an interesting overview of the Mountbatten Dynasty. Earl Mountbatten was obsessed with his family origins and was always conscious of the morganatic element hence his constant pushing for the Mountbatten name to be taken by the Royal Family. Further back doubt has been cast on the legitimacy of his grandfather. Prince Louis's naval career was not as distinguished as noted here as it was spent mostly onboard the Royal Yacht. His resignation in 1914 was blamed on his German origins but a series of naval failures in the early days of the war...Battle of Coronel...Flight of the Goeben etc...were all due partially to his failure and that of Churchill who kept his place as First Lord.
House of Battenberg/Mountbatten is similar to the previous social climbing House of Teck/Cambridge in which they both came from humble morganatic branch of german royal dynasties with personal style of serene highness; the Teck from House of Württemberg and the Battenberg from House of Hesse-Darmstadt. Both houses are the results of non-agnatic marriage to an ancestress with low-ranked nobility; the Teck from Countess Claudine Rhédey von Kis-Rhéde and the Battenberg from Countess Julia Therese Salomea von Hauke. Both are maternally related to the British royal family; the Teck being descendants of King George III and the Battenberg being descendants of Queen Victoria. Both houses have two siblings married into the British royal descendants; Princess Victoria Mary of Teck later Queen Mary to Prince George, Duke of York later King George V) and Prince Alexander of Teck to Princess Alice of Albany. Prince Henry of Battenberg to Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom and Prince Louis of Battenberg to Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine. They came to Britain as extended British royal family, naturalised and served in the British Army, renounced their germanic titles and replaced with British noble titles (marquess and earl) and even followed suit the Saxe-Coburg/Windsor in changing their germanic house names into English name; Teck to Cambridge and Battenberg to Mountbatten. Who knows later on their descendants became the monarch of the UK.
The Mountbatten's are descendents of Princess Alice (QV's daughter (sister of Edward VII (QE2's great grandfather )Its funny how they are all related to the Mountbattens (Prince Philip), but it seems others are looked down on.
You have part of it--that of Princess Alice (Philip's mother). Prince Louis (Philip's grandfather) was descended from the Battenbergs (Prince Alexander/Julia Hauke).
For all i know: LUDWIG IV was married to QUEEN VICTORIA's daughter ALICE. ALICE had children; ALEXANDRA the last tsarina of RUSSIA and VICTORIA- marchioness of milford haven. VICTORIA- marchioness of milford haven had a daughter whom she named ALICE, in honor of her mum who died. ALICE was married to ANDREW of greece and demark; both are parents of PRINCE PHILIP duke of edinburgh husband of the late QUEEN ELIZABETH II.
My ancestors with the surname Morris (William Morris & all 8 of his sons fought to free us from England) have handed down first names, including William (obvs), George, Charles, Charlotte, Aloysius, Louis, Louise, Sara, Elizabeth , Lillian, Victoria, Anne, Alice, and there’s one Aquila. I was always told these were English names. We hail from Somerset. This is fabulous. Ty from the Appalachian Mountains where we all grew up British. ;-) ✌️🇺🇸
William Morris was the first settler this far west at one point. He built a shipyard and a fortified community with a school and a chapel that still stands. A good stone English church facing East with a proper graveyard and a big red door. This was still Virginia, an English colony when he got here. The fort was to protect against the natives and later on, the redcoats. The natives hated William so much he was buried in secret under a road so he couldn’t be scalped post-mortem. It was common for that scenario to unfold.
How can you class yourself as British when you are born in the states & have Welsh ancestor's. If your ancestors fought against the English why do you feel pride in so called British history. Very contradicting.
@@mikalasimpson7789 I love history. I’m proud of all my ancestors. I’ve not done a DNA kit, I only have records and the stories handed down. That’s just on mom’s side anyway. Dad’s side are Black Irish (no redheads) Catholics from County Cork. ;-)
The 1917 name change didn't apply with Victoria Eugenia and her sons and daughters, since they are descendents through female line and members of other royal house like spanish Borbon, thus their first surname was Borbon like their father Alfonso XIII, but kept Battenberg as their second surname, this included the actual king Felipe VI grandfather, Juan whose name was Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, and its via a Victoria Eugenie, a Battenberg/Mountbatten that the Spanish Borbon have their connection to the british royals family . Ironically Juan and his son, King Juan Carlos (and also grandson Felipe) were also sailors, with Juan also serving in the royal navy (retiring in 1936 due he didnt wanted to be a naturalised british citizen, due to him becoming heir of his deposed father Alfonso XIII) , and his son and grandson serving in the spanish navy, just keen on the seas like their distant british Mountbatten cousins.
It also didn't apply to Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece who'd been born a Battenberg but had been a Greek princess consort since 1903 and would never attempt to use the Mountbatten surname that had been foisted on her parents & brothers. Her son Prince Phillip decided to change his own surname to Mountbatten to honor his mother's family who had somewhat provided for him after his mother's mental breakdown and his parents' informal split!
What a fascinating history. I live in Romsey and so am familiar with the Mountbatten story. Lord Louis was often seen around the town until his murder by the IRA. His last resting place is Romsey Abbey.The family home, Broadlands was inherited by Edwina, Lord Louis's wife and bears the cypher M of B (Mountbatten of Burma)on it's gates.I sometimes reflect that this could be reversed to B of M (Battenberg of Myanmar)to reflect modern thinking. Broadlands is currently occupied by Norton Knatchbull, 3rd Earl Mountbatten and his wife Lady Penelope.
Thank you for another video packed with information, and as usual some wonderful photographs. I'm not sure if this is the right place to say it, but regardless of one's attitude to the aristocracy. the murder of Lord Mountbatten was one of the worst political acts of the twentieth century. I remember so clearly his funeral and the hymn 'For those in peril on the sea.' So moving.
I find this all fascinating! I have a question. Is the Prince Ludwig the same "Mad Prince Ludwig" that built the castle Neuswanstein? Also, I remember reading that King Edward VIII, the Duke of Windsor, could have married Wallis and kept his title as King, had he been willing to have a morganatic marriage. I didn't realize until your video that the morganatic marriage was intended to belittle the spouse. It makes more sense to me now that he refused the possibility so vehemently.
@@rebeccafiveash4335That’s true. Although the concept of morganatic marriage never existed in the UK, but it is primarily a German concept. In France, their equivalent was called a “secret marriage”. Morganatic marriage or its equivalent also historically existed in some regions of Asia: especially Mongolia, China, Central Asia, Japan, etc. King Edward VIII of UK, although a member of the House of Windsor, but by agnatic lineage, he was a member of the House of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
I thought this was very good. Maybe next one will trace the death of Lord Mountbatten and why Prince Philip was not the King of Greece. Very interesting!
On French television some years ago I saw Prince Philip being interviewed. He was fluent in French. When asked how he had learned the French language he said that in his family they spoke French together in their daily lives. This is quite interesting. @@Piping-Hot-Lava441
Phillips father Andrew was further down in the line of succession, being a younger son of George 1 which pushed his son, Phillip down further as well..
I only know that Prince Philip and the Queen were both great-great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria. Queen Liz's ancestor was Vic's second child, Ed, and the king following Vic. Philip's ancestor was Vic's third child, a daughter, Alice. (Vic's first child was of course the last German emperor's, Will II., mother, Vicky.)
Well. Her title might have started out as a slure in her face but her descendants most certainly had the last laugh. They are sittings on the British throne
I think it’s funny watching that scene in The Crown where Phillip argues that he should have the right as any father to bestow his name to his children when the name in question isn’t his own father’s, it’s his mother’s.
@@cindymaceda2999meghan markle was twice divorced , yet the Church of England married them in full church ceremony conducted by the Archbishop of Canterury, no less. So if the COE has never changed canon law regarding divorce and re-marriage, (as prevously mentioned), how was that marriage and MM becoming HRH explained?
@@prarieborn6458MM is not HRH. Prince Charles and Camilla had a civil marriage as she was divorced. I still do not understand how the Church of England allowed MM to be married in a religious ceremony
Little known fact: The Mountbattens = Battenbergs started the Batten Burger chain.The Windsors aka Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Consort of Queen Victoria Prince Albert’s family name. Queen Victoria was a Hanoverian and started Victoria’s Secret. . Bucket Heads all. 😅
And here, I just thought that Royal had to marry Royal regardless of title, except that the woman couldn't outrank the husband= but I was certainly wrong. It might have been fine in the Old Germany when there were about 150 little Duchys or Kingdoms-Hesse itself had 3 I believe, at least for a while until the 3rd line ran out. With so many little areas, it must have been fairly easy to find someone of like title but in other areas and with people having so many children it makes ones head spin.
Victoria Eugenie Of Battenberg Became The Queen Consort Of Spain When She Married King Alfonso XIII Of Spain. Her Paternal Grandmother Was Countess Julia Von Haulk,Her Father Was Prince Henry Of Battenberg.
And her grandmother was good old Queen Victoria, from whom she inherited the haemophilia gene, which later rendered Alfonso XIII ‘s heir and the spare unable to succeed to the throne upon his abdication and exile. King Juan Carlos was chosen by Generalissimo Franco over Juan Carlos’s father, the Infante Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, Condé de Barcelona, the third son in line to succeed upon a restoration.
Daca nu erau oameni cu o personalutate puternica inascuta ,infatisare exceptionala si mult ,mult curaj ,bun -simt , maniere si educatie ,nu ar fi reusit !Se va mai vorbi mult timp despre ei !
@@putalaweamala7191What ? Do you mean William the Prince of Wales’s surname should really be Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gluecksburg-Senarclens-Grancy ??? 😂
It was obvious where Prince Louis’ name came from, but now I know where Beatrice and Eugenie came from, too. It must be awful to have to name one’s children with family names from a century ago.
Milford Haven was also the landing site of future Henry VII in 1485. I believe that Countess Julia brought the high IQ and high energy to the Battenberg family gene pool, so Alexander was wise to take the social rank hit.
I've seen it suggested that Lord Mountbatten's relentless ambition to get to the top was at least partly due to his desire to repair his father's distress at being forced to resign as First Sea Lord and change his family name, which may have led to his relatively early death. Of course, Lord Mountbatten succeeded in spades, as not only did he rise to his father's old post of First Sea Lord, but his nephew married the heir to the throne and became effectively a prince consort to HM Queen Elizabeth II (though not taking that title). And because in the UK monarchy the name of the royal House comes from the father, Mountatten gave his name to the current king. Queen Elizabeth was the last monarch of the House of Windsor (until 1917 known as the House of Saxe-Cobourg), and now King Charles III is the first monarch of the House of Mountbatten-Windsor. (Actually, Prince Philip had a very complicated family name, but it was decided that Mountbatten-Windsor would be simpler).
Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg was Prince Philip's name at birth. This doesn't quite come across in this video - which is very interesting and informative! - but Prince Philip was born a prince of Greece and Denmark. Schleswig-Holstein is in northern Germany on the border with Denmark (not sure how it came to be the Danish royal family's surname). Evidently, there wasn't a drop of Greek blood in Philip's veins. This is because the (I can't remember which Danish/German prince it was) princeling invited to become King of Greece in the 1820s was from the Danish royal house. There are parallels with the Norwegian royal family - I believe it was one of Queen Victoria's sons who was invited to become King of Norway at the beginning of the 20th century. Keeping it all in the family - until the right royal family squabble of the First World War...
He Is Actually Technically An Oldenburg,That Was His Father Prince Philip's Paternal House,But Philip Went By Battenberg,His Mother's House Which Was Anglicized To Mountbatten.
No they didn’t really and Margaret is not a good example as her children would never have royal status anyway unless she married a prince. Her children are still in the line of succession to the British crown. Morganatic offspring of princes are barred from the dynastic claims of their father.
Not really, despite Prince Philip using his mother's maiden name, in truth, the present house of Windsor is a cadet branch of the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.
@@allanbartonCorrect ! Thank you for pointing that out. I had just written my comment explaining that Mountbatten was in fact, Prince Philip’s mother’s maiden name. She was actually born Alice Battenburg but their name was Anglicised during the Great War (WW1) so as not to be seen as being German by blood.
Queen Victoria’s cousin the Duke of Cambridge married an actress and she & her children did not become HRH. And Queen Victoria refused to meet her cousins wife or children.
He married in contravention of the Royal Marriages Act of 1772 which made it clear that in law a HRH couldn't contract a legal marriage except with the permission of the sovereign. He didn't get Victoria's permission, therefore his marriage was considered invalid and his sons illegitimate.
@@allanbarton so that’s kind of like a morganatic marriage right? In fact it’s even worse because the marriage wasn’t even considered valid & the children were considered illegitimate right? in reality the UK was worse then in Germany & Europe regarding royals marrying commoners.
As a Royalist, I had always wondered about the Mountbatten connection to the present royal family. Very interesting. Thank you.
Glad you found it helpful!
As always, an excellent and informative episode. I read somewhere that Alexander ('Drino') Mountbatten was quite the snob and was greatly upset by the loss of his princely title. Apparently, this caused much amusement within the Royal Family, including King George V and Queen Mary!
Utterly fascinating, Allan! What a history, short tho' it may be. Thank you!
Glad you found it interesting!
Thank you! This adds an interesting angle to the controversy early in Elizabeth II's reign about the name of the royal house. Prince Philip's complaint that he was the only man in Britain not allowed [at that time] to give his name to his children seems to have had some precedent in earlier generations of his family.
@EarlyMusicDiva Louis Mountbatten was ambitious, he never got over his father being dismissed from the Admiralty in WWI and losing the Battenberg's royal titles
very early in our late Queen's reign Louis was at a dinner party and toasted the House of Mountbatten, this got back to The Queen Mother who informed
Queen Mary who spoke to Winston Churchill
Thank god our Queen listened to her Prime Minister
didn't stop Mountbatten though, years later he wanted Charles and his grandaughter to marry
Excellent! Thank you. Very well explained
@@EF5Winds Prince Philip's Real Surname Was A Branch Of The House Of Oldenburg,A German-Danish Dynasty That Was Established In Germany For Hundreds Of Years,Became The Royal Family Of Denmark,And Branches Also Ruled,Greece,Russia And Norway.
@@EF5Winds I Knew That As Well. Aslo A Member Of The House Of Oldenburg Is Queen Sofia Of Spain,Who Is Also From The Former Greek Royal Family.
@@EF5Winds I’ve always found that ironic.
George Donatus was the husband of Princess Cecile, Prince Philip's sister and his father was Prince Ernst of Hesse. Philip's grandmother was Princess Victoria of Hesse. Victoria and Ernst of Hesse were brother and sister and they were both children of Princess Alice who was the second daughter of Queen Victoria. Alice died in 1878, the first of Queen Victoria's nine children to die and Ernst was her only son to live to adulthood. Philip and Cecile were brother and sister and their mother was also named Alice who was the oldest daughter of Victoria of Hesse(she lived until 1950). So, Cecile and her husband George married and had three children. Cecile's grandmother Victoria and George's father Ernst were brother and sister they shared the same grandchildren together. I think that it was in 1936 or '37 that Cecile and George along with his mother and their children were killed in a plane crash in Europe. Ernst himself died a year later, heartbroken over the loss of his family. Prince Ernst of Hesse had a second son though who lived a lot longer until the 1960's or 70's at least. Also Ernst and Victoria's youngest sister was Alexandra, the wife of Nicholas II, the last Czar of Russia who were murdered during the Russian revolution in 1918. I know that this is a long comment but I find it fascinating mixed-up part of European royal history. ( Also, King Charles III of England is Victoria of Hesse' great great grandson).
Thank you for that, Michael. I visited the grave site of this family of Hesse- Darmstadt while residing in Frankfurt. Not knowing the story, I was shocked to learn that Ernst, Grand Duke of H-D, died a month before a tragic plane crash in 1937, which killed his widow, his heir, Georg Donatus, the latter’s heir and his spare, as well as his wife, Cecile (Prince Philip’s sister) while on their way to England to attend Georg’s younger step-brother’s wedding to an Englishwoman. The pilot apparently attempted to land the plane in a fog because Cecile unexpectedly began delivering the baby. So tragic !! 😢
Thank you for this. Isn’t it amazing that power can wipe away one’s past and build a new, almost fictitious one.?
Reminds me of Megan Markle’s identity reinvention as a Nigerian
Superb and utterly fascinating! Thank you for helping sort out the various family members and their associations with the British Royal Family.
Among other insights, this shows to me that greater social mobility was possible within the British class system, relative to its continental counterparts - at least as far as noble and royal classes, are concerned. It's a little surprising, since the UK is perceived as having had a very fixed and stratified social hierarchy. Anyway, thanks again for another excellent video, and greetings as always from rainy British Columbia.
Thank you! This video filled in so many blanks for me. I kinda sorta had an idea of the familial relationships, but this laid it out beautifully. It really shows the Anglification of the family in pretty much just one generation. The Mountbattens now are about as British as fish and chips! Thank you again for this very informative episode.
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative video, I never knew how the relationship between the Mountbatten family and the British Royal family worked. Truly appreciate your work.
Very interesting to hear the history of the Battenbergs before the 20th century. Going off on a bit of a tangent here. The inheritance through Victoria's female descendants of the hemophilia gene fascinates me, particularly the granddaughters, the eventual Queen of Spain and Tsarina of Russia. I realize that they didn't really understand how it worked, but they knew female descendants of Victoria could pass it on to their sons. I have a hard time understanding why two such high ranking men as the King of Spain and the Tsar of Russia would choose to marry those women. Without Alexi's disease the Russian Revolution might not have happened the way it did.
Nicholas was in love with his wife when he proposed to her. He was already in love with her.
At first, his parents with held permission. They didn’t care for her. Then Nick father bec unexpectedly ill with untreatable (at the time) kidney disease, in his late 40s, Nick parents relented and gave Nick permission to marry her.
There was no dialysis treatment for kidney failure until many years later.
In the 🇺🇸, a very popular actress who was a huge star (the “original” blond “bombshell” before Marilyn Monroe) died at age 26 from kidney failure in either the 1930s or early 1940s bec there was no dialysis or treatment for kidney failure.
Kidney failure was a death sentence bec there was no treatment.
If Mash is to be believed, dialysis was developed during the Korean War due to battlefield necessity.
They just didn't know how it came about inheriting through the female line descendants until quiet recently
@@kittykatz4001 Was the actresses' name Harlow?
Great video and I could actually keep up (barely!) I remember when Lord Mountbatten was killed, I believe in the 70’s? He was a favorite of the Prince of Wales, now, King Charles.
1979, same year as Usenet began.
Yes, and his grandsons is now names after his favorite Uncle, Mountbatten, Louis.
Just a few weeks ago made.some research about the 1st earl Mountbatten of Burma and some references about certain particular activities I found quite disturbing.
He was a ghastly man.
Yes I know exactly what you are talking about. Needless to say, it’s been swept under the carpet as if it’s a trivial matter which of course it absolutely isn’t. It’s a shocking disgrace.
@@susangraham-ew4lhwhat did he do?
You delivered a fascinating video. Thank you! 👍
Interesting - the Battenbergs/Mountbattens are a fascinating family
A connection now overlooked but one I emphasize when the need is called for.
Still here Allan loving your stories. Take care everyone stay safe and blessings to all.
Thank you Allan. A very interesting insight into the family & there heritage.
I went to an American high school in Wiesbaden, Germany. I wish I had discovered my passion for history earlier and took advantage of my living situation at that time by visiting more historical places. Now I'm 40 and I haven't been back to Europe since. Fingers crossed that I win the lottery one day so I can travel again.
From what I've read, the HRH granted to Prince Henry was only in effect in the United Kingdom. He was regarded as a Serene Highness everywhere else.
So in my mind there are (or were) three related but distinct branches of the Mountbattens. The Carisbrooke Mountbattens, the Milford Haven Mountbattens, and the Edinburgh Mountbattens who are Prince Philip and his descendants.
One of Prince Phillip’s sisters Cecile, married her first cousin once removed, Prince George Donatus of Hesse. He was the son of her mother Alice’s uncle Ernst, The Grand Duke of Hesse. His sister was Alexandra the last Empress of Russia.
Another sister ofAlexandras was a Grandduchess of russia
@@kevinklingner7712 Yes Elizabeth, she married Grand Duke Sergei Alexandrovich a son of Tsar Alexander II. After his assassination in 1905 Elizabeth joined a convent and became a Russian orthodox nun. She too was murdered by the Bolsheviks in 1918.
What do it mean you say once removed
@shenicasmith9054 imeansthe cousin was through aunt the a cousin through the female not the male line . She married malegrand descendant of her father's or mothers great Aunt
@@shenicasmith9054 If your cousin has a child, this child is your cousin once removed.
Very interesting, thank you!
Thanks for an interesting overview of the Mountbatten Dynasty. Earl Mountbatten was obsessed with his family origins and was always conscious of the morganatic element hence his constant pushing for the Mountbatten name to be taken by the Royal Family. Further back doubt has been cast on the legitimacy of his grandfather. Prince Louis's naval career was not as distinguished as noted here as it was spent mostly onboard the Royal Yacht. His resignation in 1914 was blamed on his German origins but a series of naval failures in the early days of the war...Battle of Coronel...Flight of the Goeben etc...were all due partially to his failure and that of Churchill who kept his place as First Lord.
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HE WAS ALSO OBSESSED WITH YOUNG BOYS 😮😮
I always wondered how they were related! Thank you.😊
Excellent, succinct and deeply fascinating as always Allan. Many thanks for untangling the knot that is the history of the Battenbergs!
House of Battenberg/Mountbatten is similar to the previous social climbing House of Teck/Cambridge in which they both came from humble morganatic branch of german royal dynasties with personal style of serene highness; the Teck from House of Württemberg and the Battenberg from House of Hesse-Darmstadt.
Both houses are the results of non-agnatic marriage to an ancestress with low-ranked nobility; the Teck from Countess Claudine Rhédey von Kis-Rhéde and the Battenberg from Countess Julia Therese Salomea von Hauke.
Both are maternally related to the British royal family; the Teck being descendants of King George III and the Battenberg being descendants of Queen Victoria. Both houses have two siblings married into the British royal descendants;
Princess Victoria Mary of Teck later Queen Mary to Prince George, Duke of York later King George V) and Prince Alexander of Teck to Princess Alice of Albany.
Prince Henry of Battenberg to Princess Beatrice of the United Kingdom and Prince Louis of Battenberg to Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine.
They came to Britain as extended British royal family, naturalised and served in the British Army, renounced their germanic titles and replaced with British noble titles (marquess and earl) and even followed suit the Saxe-Coburg/Windsor in changing their germanic house names into English name; Teck to Cambridge and Battenberg to Mountbatten.
Who knows later on their descendants became the monarch of the UK.
The Mountbatten's are descendents of Princess Alice (QV's daughter (sister of Edward VII (QE2's great grandfather )Its funny how they are all related to the Mountbattens (Prince Philip), but it seems others are looked down on.
You have part of it--that of Princess Alice (Philip's mother). Prince Louis (Philip's grandfather) was descended from the Battenbergs (Prince Alexander/Julia Hauke).
They were from the wrong sort of Royal Family
I am going to have to listen to this again with pen and paper in hand.
Hi Allan! The Mountbatten family certainly took a circuitous route to their present place in British life. Blessings to you and yours!
Always interesting, Allan. Regards to the family.
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it!
For all i know:
LUDWIG IV was married to QUEEN VICTORIA's daughter ALICE.
ALICE had children; ALEXANDRA the last tsarina of RUSSIA and VICTORIA- marchioness of milford haven.
VICTORIA- marchioness of milford haven had a daughter whom she named ALICE, in honor of her mum who died.
ALICE was married to ANDREW of greece and demark; both are parents of PRINCE PHILIP duke of edinburgh husband of the late QUEEN ELIZABETH II.
Just fascinating thank you Alan
Thank you! I have been wanting to know etc. This helps clear up so much!
We can see the RF still highly admires the Mountbatten line, they carry on a lot of the names like Beatrice, Eugenia, Louis.
Enjoyable short history. Thank you
Glad you liked it!
Fascinating story, brilliantly told. Thank you.
Thanks very much, glad you liked it!
My ancestors with the surname Morris (William Morris & all 8 of his sons fought to free us from England) have handed down first names, including William (obvs), George, Charles, Charlotte, Aloysius, Louis, Louise, Sara, Elizabeth , Lillian, Victoria, Anne, Alice, and there’s one Aquila. I was always told these were English names. We hail from Somerset. This is fabulous. Ty from the Appalachian Mountains where we all grew up British. ;-) ✌️🇺🇸
William Morris was the first settler this far west at one point. He built a shipyard and a fortified community with a school and a chapel that still stands. A good stone English church facing East with a proper graveyard and a big red door. This was still Virginia, an English colony when he got here. The fort was to protect against the natives and later on, the redcoats. The natives hated William so much he was buried in secret under a road so he couldn’t be scalped post-mortem. It was common for that scenario to unfold.
Long, thin faces, big heads, big ears we all have but we all pull off being rather attractive evenso lol
Morris is a Welsh surname
How can you class yourself as British when you are born in the states & have Welsh ancestor's. If your ancestors fought against the English why do you feel pride in so called British history. Very contradicting.
@@mikalasimpson7789 I love history. I’m proud of all my ancestors. I’ve not done a DNA kit, I only have records and the stories handed down. That’s just on mom’s side anyway. Dad’s side are Black Irish (no redheads) Catholics from County Cork. ;-)
Thank you again. Your magazine is also excellent.
Thanks very much, glad you're enjoying my work!
The 1917 name change didn't apply with Victoria Eugenia and her sons and daughters, since they are descendents through female line and members of other royal house like spanish Borbon, thus their first surname was Borbon like their father Alfonso XIII, but kept Battenberg as their second surname, this included the actual king Felipe VI grandfather, Juan whose name was Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, and its via a Victoria Eugenie, a Battenberg/Mountbatten that the Spanish Borbon have their connection to the british royals family .
Ironically Juan and his son, King Juan Carlos (and also grandson Felipe) were also sailors, with Juan also serving in the royal navy (retiring in 1936 due he didnt wanted to be a naturalised british citizen, due to him becoming heir of his deposed father Alfonso XIII) , and his son and grandson serving in the spanish navy, just keen on the seas like their distant british Mountbatten cousins.
That’s right, it was only limited to the male line descendants, the royal warrant is very clear on that.
It also didn't apply to Alice, Princess Andrew of Greece who'd been born a Battenberg but had been a Greek princess consort since 1903 and would never attempt to use the Mountbatten surname that had been foisted on her parents & brothers. Her son Prince Phillip decided to change his own surname to Mountbatten to honor his mother's family who had somewhat provided for him after his mother's mental breakdown and his parents' informal split!
Thank you. This cleared up a lot of confusion between the branches of the Mountbatten family..
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Glad it was helpful!
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Very interesting. I did enjoy their cake before diabetes came along.
Very interesting. Love history from America
Hello Allen. Hope you are well. Not seen an update from you recently.
Take care and blessings to you and yours,
R
Excellent video and information!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it!
You and Mark Felton are the GOATs
Bless you, thank you.
Thank you for telling their story
Glad you appreciated this!
Me encantan estas historias Británicas - Alemanas. ❤
What a fascinating history. I live in Romsey and so am familiar with the Mountbatten story. Lord Louis was often seen around the town until his murder by the IRA. His last resting place is Romsey Abbey.The family home, Broadlands was inherited by Edwina, Lord Louis's wife and bears the cypher M of B (Mountbatten of Burma)on it's gates.I sometimes reflect that this could be reversed to B of M (Battenberg of Myanmar)to reflect modern thinking. Broadlands is currently occupied by Norton Knatchbull, 3rd Earl Mountbatten and his wife Lady Penelope.
@simonwatson4153… wasn’t Penny Knatchbull practically living with the Duke of Edinburgh before his death?
Edwina paid for the house so I guess it belonged to her anyway.
fascinating
Thank you for another video packed with information, and as usual some wonderful photographs. I'm not sure if this is the right place to say it, but regardless of one's attitude to the aristocracy. the murder of Lord Mountbatten was one of the worst political acts of the twentieth century. I remember so clearly his funeral and the hymn 'For those in peril on the sea.' So moving.
It's the Navy hymn, "Eternal Father Strong To Save". It's sung in US Navy services as well.
Excellent !!! 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you. Good explanation!
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Glad you enjoyed it!
Loius Mountbatten. Britain's very own Kurt von Schricher
I live in Mountbatten Gardens in Bournemouth.
I find this all fascinating! I have a question. Is the Prince Ludwig the same "Mad Prince Ludwig" that built the castle Neuswanstein? Also, I remember reading that King Edward VIII, the Duke of Windsor, could have married Wallis and kept his title as King, had he been willing to have a morganatic marriage. I didn't realize until your video that the morganatic marriage was intended to belittle the spouse. It makes more sense to me now that he refused the possibility so vehemently.
There never were morganatic marriages in Uk
@@rebeccafiveash4335That’s true. Although the concept of morganatic marriage never existed in the UK, but it is primarily a German concept. In France, their equivalent was called a “secret marriage”. Morganatic marriage or its equivalent also historically existed in some regions of Asia: especially Mongolia, China, Central Asia, Japan, etc.
King Edward VIII of UK, although a member of the House of Windsor, but by agnatic lineage, he was a member of the House of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha.
No Neuschwanstein Castle was built by King Ludwig II. of Bavaria. An entire different Family.
@@RoyalTravelEvents The Bavarian royal house are the Wittelsbachs - indeed, an entirely different family.
@@tobyalleyne-gee8966 although King Ludwig Ii,. was related to Grand Duke Ludwig IV. They have been cousins as their mothers had been sisters.
Can you do a video about the “cottage countesses” mentioned in the video? Who were they?
Interesting i knew they where German and had to change their name like the royal family did
Yes cousins. Deutsch. Herrlich...oder
I thought this was very good. Maybe next one will trace the death of Lord Mountbatten and why Prince Philip was not the King of Greece. Very interesting!
The late King Constantine II made a comeback to the Greek throne but was thrown out again.
On French television some years ago I saw Prince Philip being interviewed. He was fluent in French. When asked how he had learned the French language he said that in his family they spoke French together in their daily lives. This is quite interesting. @@Piping-Hot-Lava441
Phillips father Andrew was further down in the line of succession, being a younger son of George 1 which pushed his son, Phillip down further as well..
I only know that Prince Philip and the Queen were both great-great-grandchildren of Queen Victoria. Queen Liz's ancestor was Vic's second child, Ed, and the king following Vic. Philip's ancestor was Vic's third child, a daughter, Alice.
(Vic's first child was of course the last German emperor's, Will II., mother, Vicky.)
Hauke Pronounced "How-ker" according to the tour guides at Broadlands
Soft R-more Ho-ke
@@susanorr8348 howka then
@@ludovica8221Yes, the " au" is an " ow" in German.
That was cool.
I stayed in the Mountbatten house in India
Well. Her title might have started out as a slure in her face but her descendants most certainly had the last laugh. They are sittings on the British throne
Also the Spanish throne
Confusing without a graphic line of descent, but was fascinating nonetheless.
I think it’s funny watching that scene in The Crown where Phillip argues that he should have the right as any father to bestow his name to his children when the name in question isn’t his own father’s, it’s his mother’s.
Unfortunately the map shows Hessen (1945-today) and not the Grand Duchy of Hesse (1806-1918).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Hesse
That’s helpful thank you, the changing geography of that region is complex.
" serene highness" isn't too bad.
It's the 2nd lowest rank of Highness the lowest being illustrious
Grace Kelly was also in the same situation and yet her son went on to rule
And the same goes for Kate Middleton. And Meghan Markle, for that matter. 😂
@@cindymaceda2999meghan markle was twice divorced , yet the Church of England married them in full church ceremony conducted by the Archbishop of Canterury, no less. So if the COE has never changed canon law regarding divorce and re-marriage, (as prevously mentioned), how was that marriage and MM becoming HRH explained?
Grace Kelly was the official wife of Prince Rainier. There was no question on the legality of her marriage.
@@prarieborn6458MM is not HRH. Prince Charles and Camilla had a civil marriage as she was divorced. I still do not understand how the Church of England allowed MM to be married in a religious ceremony
Little known fact: The Mountbattens = Battenbergs started the Batten Burger chain.The Windsors aka Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. Consort of Queen Victoria Prince Albert’s family name. Queen Victoria was a Hanoverian and started Victoria’s Secret. . Bucket Heads all. 😅
@@EF5Winds it’s all true. Change my mind 😂😂😂
The current Marquis is a really fine helicopter pilot.
And here, I just thought that Royal had to marry Royal regardless of title, except that the woman couldn't outrank the husband= but I was certainly wrong. It might have been fine in the Old Germany when there were about 150 little Duchys or Kingdoms-Hesse itself had 3 I believe, at least for a while until the 3rd line ran out. With so many little areas, it must have been fairly easy to find someone of like title but in other areas and with people having so many children it makes ones head spin.
Prince George of Greece, mother was Sophia of Germany-The Kaiser's sister.
Victoria Eugenie Of Battenberg Became The Queen Consort Of Spain When She Married King Alfonso XIII Of Spain. Her Paternal Grandmother Was Countess Julia Von Haulk,Her Father Was Prince Henry Of Battenberg.
And her grandmother was good old Queen Victoria, from whom she inherited the haemophilia gene, which later rendered Alfonso XIII ‘s heir and the spare unable to succeed to the throne upon his abdication and exile. King Juan Carlos was chosen by Generalissimo Franco over Juan Carlos’s father, the Infante Juan de Borbon y Battenberg, Condé de Barcelona, the third son in line to succeed upon a restoration.
…which made Prince Philip, Queen Elizabeth II and King Emeritus Juan Carlos cousins.
Daca nu erau oameni cu o personalutate puternica inascuta ,infatisare exceptionala si mult ,mult curaj ,bun -simt , maniere si educatie ,nu ar fi reusit !Se va mai vorbi mult timp despre ei !
Prince Alexander of Hesse was most likely not fathered by his mother's husband, the Grand Duke.
No, in recent books it is admitted openly that he was the son of August von Senarclens-Grancy, a courtier close to his mother Wilhelmine
@@putalaweamala7191What ?
Do you mean William the Prince of Wales’s surname should really be Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Gluecksburg-Senarclens-Grancy ??? 😂
@@cindymaceda2999 yes 😅
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BUNA SEARA DIN ROMANIA VA SALUTA REGINA MARIA A ROMANIEI SI A RUSIEI .
It was obvious where Prince Louis’ name came from, but now I know where Beatrice and Eugenie came from, too. It must be awful to have to name one’s children with family names from a century ago.
The name Louis is also the name of their first cousin, heir to earl Spencer 👍
could be two birds with one stone scenario .idk @@EF5Winds
Nice vídeo, Allan
Confining....perhaps stifling....
Duke of Windsor tried to purpose that type of marriage of Wallace Simpson to House of Commons. Rejected
7:55 historical hottie
Milford Haven was also the landing site of future Henry VII in 1485. I believe that Countess Julia brought the high IQ and high energy to the Battenberg family gene pool, so Alexander was wise to take the social rank hit.
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I've seen it suggested that Lord Mountbatten's relentless ambition to get to the top was at least partly due to his desire to repair his father's distress at being forced to resign as First Sea Lord and change his family name, which may have led to his relatively early death. Of course, Lord Mountbatten succeeded in spades, as not only did he rise to his father's old post of First Sea Lord, but his nephew married the heir to the throne and became effectively a prince consort to HM Queen Elizabeth II (though not taking that title). And because in the UK monarchy the name of the royal House comes from the father, Mountatten gave his name to the current king. Queen Elizabeth was the last monarch of the House of Windsor (until 1917 known as the House of Saxe-Cobourg), and now King Charles III is the first monarch of the House of Mountbatten-Windsor. (Actually, Prince Philip had a very complicated family name, but it was decided that Mountbatten-Windsor would be simpler).
Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg was Prince Philip's name at birth. This doesn't quite come across in this video - which is very interesting and informative! - but Prince Philip was born a prince of Greece and Denmark. Schleswig-Holstein is in northern Germany on the border with Denmark (not sure how it came to be the Danish royal family's surname). Evidently, there wasn't a drop of Greek blood in Philip's veins. This is because the (I can't remember which Danish/German prince it was) princeling invited to become King of Greece in the 1820s was from the Danish royal house. There are parallels with the Norwegian royal family - I believe it was one of Queen Victoria's sons who was invited to become King of Norway at the beginning of the 20th century. Keeping it all in the family - until the right royal family squabble of the First World War...
He Is Actually Technically An Oldenburg,That Was His Father Prince Philip's Paternal House,But Philip Went By Battenberg,His Mother's House Which Was Anglicized To Mountbatten.
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I don't mind a monarchy as long as it is just..
Morganatic marriages went both ways, no? They were suggesting it to Princess Margaret when she wanted to marry her father's equerry.
No they didn’t really and Margaret is not a good example as her children would never have royal status anyway unless she married a prince. Her children are still in the line of succession to the British crown. Morganatic offspring of princes are barred from the dynastic claims of their father.
They need to bring back morganatic marriages to keep the the lower orders in their place.
They never technically existed in the UK
@@pedanticradiator1491 what do you think the Royal marriage act was all about? It was much more severe then anything on the European continent.
Are you a Nobel yourself dear, if not then you already have no chance to marry one so don't worried 😉
Yes, look what happened to Adam when he shacked up with Eve! A salutary lesson to blokes who listen to their wives!
😂😂 loser
Να τα μεταφράζεται και στα Ελληνικα ,!
After all, Alice nee’ Battenberg became Princess Alice of Greece in marriage.
After all, Alice nee’ Battenberg became Princess Alice of Greece in marriage.
As the German language has no silent letters wouldn't the surname Hauke have 2 syllables and not one? Horkeh not Hawk!
"restored"
As so happens to male of lesser
They were second raters who pushed their way into our Royal family
Spoiler alert: The House of Windsor IS the House of Mountbatten.
Not really, despite Prince Philip using his mother's maiden name, in truth, the present house of Windsor is a cadet branch of the house of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg.
@@allanbartonCorrect ! Thank you for pointing that out. I had just written my comment explaining that Mountbatten was in fact, Prince Philip’s mother’s maiden name. She was actually born Alice Battenburg but their name was Anglicised during the Great War (WW1) so as not to be seen as being German by blood.
Queen Victoria’s cousin the Duke of Cambridge married an actress and she & her children did not become HRH. And Queen Victoria refused to meet her cousins wife or children.
He married in contravention of the Royal Marriages Act of 1772 which made it clear that in law a HRH couldn't contract a legal marriage except with the permission of the sovereign. He didn't get Victoria's permission, therefore his marriage was considered invalid and his sons illegitimate.
@@allanbarton so that’s kind of like a morganatic marriage right? In fact it’s even worse because the marriage wasn’t even considered valid & the children were considered illegitimate right? in reality the UK was worse then in Germany & Europe regarding royals marrying commoners.