I have to add....if Jada was confident enough to NOT wear a wig to the biggest night in Hollywood, why was she not confident enough to say, "yeah! G.I. Jane is a badass and I could most definitely pull it off!" She chose to sit in the front row BALD, chose to air her ENTANGLEMENT, but can't take a joke and turn it into a compliment with even the nod of her head. She could have owned that moment. But then, we wouldn't have this great comedy special by Chris.
Jada could have worn a wig, but I have a feeling that she decided to go bald that night, to one of the most glamorous and televised events, just to thumb her nose at people, just daring someone to say something so she could act offended. And she got her wish. Someone did say something and she got the attention she was wanting. And Will and Chris had to pay the price, as well as everyone else that night who were harmed.
I bet MOST of the women that night wore some kind of hairpiece, that day. ...men too! Men aren't thrilled about balding, either! (Given a well sculpted head and a man is even sexier, completely shaven!😍)
"Don't fight in front of white people" was about Will Smith undoing everything he could have accomplished that night. To go from "Oscars so white" to Smith winning best actor should have been an amazing cultural moment. Smith ruined that. Jada was telling Rock he should boycott a previous Oscars due to lack of representation and this is how her husband represents at the Oscars! That night, it was Rock who was representing his race with exceptional professionalism.
Jada caused the whole thing! Smith laughed at Rock's joke & ONLY after seeing Jada's face did he go nuts. WHY? Because she's a narcissist who couldn't stand Will winning a Oscar, & she successfully ruined his night. Also, Smith is trauma bonded to Jada after 20yrs of marriage. I'm a therapist, & there seems to be a lack of decent one's in Hollywood. I spotted this a mile away. Much ❤️ All
To me, it looked like he was almost going to cry (from relief, not sadness) shortly after he threw the mic down, and was holding it in by pressing his lips together. I can't explain the facial expression but it looked more like he felt relief at finally telling his side of the story, getting some physical aggression out on the mic, as well as pride at being accepted and cheered by the audience.
I agree his expression after the mic drop were akin to "finally I have said my piece, I feel so relieved, so free I want to cry" I feel he was trying to hold back all of his emotions all the thoughts he surely has been having all this time.
I'm with you. I thought he was holding back tears of relief at finally getting it all out in front of a worldwide audience, and that was part of the lip compression.
Nate really made the most accurate point. Will has not gotten over the pain of Jada’s infidelity. And he needs to deal with that. Mostly for himself. ✨✨✨
We all acknowledge will smith is in pain but what type of person kicks someone while they're down? Chris should be slapped again for calling Jada a b*tch and continuing to antagonize them
Will has been embarrassed, ashamed, ridiculed, humiliated, betrayed... by this "woman". His brain is obviously not keeping up with his "I'm cool with it" farce of an attitude...
@@AnnieWarbux and that is Will and Jada’s business. Not Chris’s. His joke was out of line. Appearance jokes in the subjects presence should never be considered appropriate.
Lol! Jada made it EVERYONE'S Business! Ef her! I never even Knew Will's wife was like... how she obviously IS! "Poor Will" lasts only so long. He best think about that. He best bust a move... and Soon!!
I was nervous (lol) but Nate did a great job explaining how we Black folks feel about a lot of these thorny cultural issues. Kudos to Chris for holding his tongue for a whole year and making his comments count, on his terms.
Spidey....I have to thank you. Not even you just understanding a cultural blind spot to not comment but to get someone who could EXPLAIN the context. Wow man, immense respect, that's next level
I think the mic throw was because Chris’s show needed more than a mic drop. It was “There! I’m done & I won” and I think he was overcome with emotion at the end and held it together with the “I won the fight” face
The mic drop felt like how slamming the phone (before cellphones) down when hanging up on someone you're done with! There was a feeling of emotional release we don't get with disconnecting a cellphone call.
At the end of the day, that GI Jane joke was NOT a real insult! She was compared to the absolutely beautiful Demi Moore in a role where she was beautiful and strong 🙄🙄 medical condition or not that wasn’t a low blow. I agree with Nate the Lawyer’s take on it. Thanks for another great video Spidey 🤩⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Yooooo! Lol there was an epic scene Involving a memorium for the microphone with “I will remember you” playing but I had to cut it out because it got slapped for copyright 😞 glad you enjoyed this humorless version. 😂
@@TheBehavioralArts 😮 “humorless”?! No way! The Eminem clip and other points were funny! But I can imagine that moment for the mic 🎤 when it got “Will Smithed” 😭😂 But after that special🫣I’ll be holding a candle 🕯️ playing Sarah McLachlan’s “Angel” for Will Smith’s ego 🥴🤧
@@ThatsBoujee lol this comedy special was brought to us by Sarah McLachlan. F**k It Im making a short with the microphones memorium. Can’t copyright a video that’s not monetized!!!
@@ThatsBoujee And I will be holding a candle light visual for here to going forward GotBitchSlappedChris who found himself at the mathematical intersection of F-cked around and found out. Selective outrage is to not apply the same logic towards the beginning of this train wreck which was the joke. Start at the beginning not the middle. You don’t have to understand why Will felt it was an appropriate action. But please try to understand that was his feeling. Its mistake after mistake after mistake. Appearance jokes of a spouse of a nominee are off limits. Stick to the nominees and leave appearance alone.
Chris not fighting back was very impressive to me. He reigned in the impulse to defend himself in the moment. That’s a LOT of self restraint. I’m not sure I’d of had the same restraint.
Not just that, Rock literally has 10 brothers who all wanted to retaliate but didn't because it wasn't what Chris wanted. All the Rock boys were brought up right.
Had he not picked Jada out from the crowd and highlighted what may have been a sensitive topic, he wouldn't have put himself in the place to be slapped. Will kept saying" keep my wife's name out of your mouth" that lends to more than just the highlighting of Jada's condition, there's a lot more that wasn't revealed.
Wow! The explanation for the last “mic drop” line is so beautifully explained! Bravo! As a Hispanic woman I completely understand the “you get hit, you hit back” mentally. It makes me admire Chris Rock even MORE for the way he handled himself and the intelligence in his comedy special is just on another level!
3 topics I’m sure SHATTERED Will to hear : 1. That he isn’t the squeaky clean guy he wanted everyone to think he is 2. That Wills parents didn’t raise him well. 3. Mentioning how Jada hurt him way more than he hurt him. And that’s all he needed to do without lifting a finger and stepping down to Will”s level of insecurity and lack of self awareness. Revenge is a Rock best served comedically!
@@cecisworld0909 well I highly doubt that. He pretty much ruined his own career by getting butt hurt that he first laughed at and made a fool of himself.
I love "Nate the Lawyer". His content should be used at schools due to the precious value of ethics and civil education. I always forward his videos to my 15-year-old son because they are so well explained.
@@323azteca I know I share his videos often i only have about 600 subs but hoping that shares the word about his channel a bit as he really is awesome!🤗❤
@@bernieheartdragon1888 I've not listened to any MSM in 9 years, the only time is when Nate uploads something they've said. I don't have regular TV just stream what I watch. 🤗🙏
Will definitely was projecting his pain and anger onto Chris. As for Chris, he showed the ultimate self control which is another level of maturity. He did the right thing.
The dueling aspect is an interesting one. By slapping Chris, Will effectively challenged him to a duel, and in accordance with tradition Chris chose the weapons, and shot him right between the eyes. Honor satisfied.
Right after the mic drop, Chris Rock looks around the entire audience to see their response. When he sees people giving him a standing ovation, THEN he feels validated & takes the proud victory lap, IMO. He’s definitely laying it all out there!!!
One thing I'm seeing in Chris right after the mic "slam" - that wasn't touched upon in your great discussion - is a _significant_ amount of vulnerability. The best frame of it is at the 30:58 mark of the video. Chris has wide eyes, his lips are compressed, but he looks like he is on the verge of tears as he scans the audience for any support/help. It stands to reason that there would be a very strong welling of emotions at the end of this huge event, and because of the positioning of his arms (hanging limply at his sides, in a "defenseless" posture), it really feels like he is very much needing approval for what he has just exposed of himself. He finally allowed himself to open up about his private feelings, and to experience and show all his anger publicly for the world to see (and judge!), and for a few seconds after that moment he is uncertain and very, very vulnerable. Then the applause from the audience comes and rewards him in taking what is a very big risk, and we see the wide stance and grandiose posture from him. Great video, and I learned a lot from Nate and David, and from yourself as well Spidey, as always! Thanks so much!
Exactly. I caught the moment of his vulnerability-where he’s almost tearing up-right after the mic slam. I felt it with him. And I was very happy that the audience quickly showed him support and acceptance. It restored his pride.
My husband pointed out that in Shark Tails, Will pretended to be a shark slayer and bigger creatures feared his fake persona. So it's pretty easy for ppl who dont remember the film to think Will played the shark. Especially since he is always powerful in other films. That's a easy mistake to make. I too forgot that he wasn't the shark.
When Chris slammed down the mike, it reminded me of a football player who's just scored a touchdown and slams the ball down onto the ground. I think it wasn't anger, I think it was self-satisfaction.
I appreciate you having Nate for cultural context. I especially appreciate you having someone of AA culture and lineage and not just someone black. The fact that you understand the nuiance is amazing from my experiences. I appreciate it.
Spivey, But you missed the mark by not having an AA woman explain how demeaning the joke was that got the response that many who don’t understand are saying was out of line. I appreciate that you acknowledge the cultural implications but please bring an AA women onto your next video if you do one. That joke was gutter, below the belt and inappropriate coming from someone who DOES NOT like Jada.
@@cecisworld0909 GI Jane was a badass character played by Demi Moore. So thats a complement. If you are referring to Jada having alopecia. She does not. She had a face lift and the scar is from that surgery. I know many women with alopecia, and it sure are hell doesn't look neat and uniform like Jada's head.
@@cecisworld0909 please don't speak for all African American women. i am one. i wear my hair natural as well. it was A JOKE. and i told my man that if anyone ever joked about my appearance he BETTER NOT get up on a stage and punch someone and act a fool.
Great idea having Nate on! This was great, thanks to you both! I believe I saw Chris Rock say he already had the Netflix deal to do 2-4 shows for $40 million, so that was already on the line for him to not screw up by fighting on a global stage. Good job
He also ordered his brothers not to retaliate, he has 10 of them! This to me is almost as impressive as Rock not making a big fuss. He didn't want his brothers to get in trouble on his behalf, the Rock boys were all raised well I've gotta say
Chris' eyes also being slightly welled-up with tears, in my opinion, seems to show his pain, anger and disbelief, that how could Will have done this to his friend.
I think that Chris did this to try to prove that, although Will may be physically bigger than he is, Chris proved himself to be the bigger man by NOT reacting to Will's slap by hitting him.
One of the things about the parent thing is it can be seen as a sneak diss towards Jada and Will. Jada and Will have both spoken on the lack of good parenting they had growing up. Not to mention they themselves have been criticized for being bad parents.
I love the fact that you brought in Nate the lawyer it goes to show that you do look at all aspects and are not prejudice and realize the cultural aspects.
@@kims6888 have you heard the all the information that Will is actually gay this is why he’s still with Jada because she helps him hide that fact and that both of them are bi sexual etc… !! Hollywood is CRAZY
He didn't serve justice. He served revenge. There's a huge difference. Romans 12:19-21 KJV Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. [21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
@@nikirenneechambers soooooooo true. I was never taught to manage my emotions. Neither were my folks. Not sure how far that goes back. Livin for my therapy.
Chris is a clever man, he knew full well that Will was trying to get him to react so he would have ruined his career... Chris, with his dignity and restraint has humiliated Will and made him look like a petulant child. Chris showed that he's in control of his emotions. You can only be humiliated if you react as if you have been humiliated. If you ignore the humiliation and rise above it, the other person looks like a loser, that's why Will was so angry afterwards...
I remember when I watched it thinking "wtf is going on with Jada? They were all laughs and smiles and she just looked at Will, and then he completely changed. She controls his emotional state and easily manipulates his actions. Very, very toxic relationship between those two. He needs to get out." Then later on, found out that she was banging her kid's friend. Made me really sad for him and angry at her. The dynamics there are really unhealthy and dysfunctional.
@@azurephoenix9546 The fact the Jaden the son got manticipated at such a very young 13..14 ..15 yrs old somewhere around then tells you alot!! It's cheaper to stay married! All the kids are grown and over 18 so Will wouldn't have to pay child support but half his hard worked money would go to Jada the devil if they were to divorce. 😞
@@steib294 I think as a kid of a family that dysfunctional, I would get out as soon as I could as well. Just to have the ability to be in control of my own life.
Spidey is smart and respectful enough to know that he can't speak to a cultural reference that he can't fully appreciate or understand because it has never been his experience. There are people who would try just because they have "studied it" or have "friends" in another community and that would not be an informative representation. Thanks so much for bringing Nate in to talk to us about this portion of Chris's performance Spidey, I always learn a lot from Nate and appreciate his wisdom: I hope to see yous do many more collaborations in the future! x
🦋Thanks to Nate the Lawyer and David Stephens for being such wonderful guests and thank you Spidey for inviting them and bringing so much more information to this discussion. As usual I learned a lot. Appreciate your time putting this video together for us to learn More about behavior.
To me as a person who is NOT an expert, but lived a very unsafe life, in a VERY violent environment, it means something else. "LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO?!, I DIDN'T WANNA DO THIS!, BUT YOU TOOK IT THERE, AND I FINISHED IT!"
Found you during the A vs JD trials and been watching since. So, first time responder. After the mic throw, I thought I caught a brief glimpse of sadness or hurt. Sadness or hurtfulness to be publicly slapped in front of a HUGE audience by someone he loved and respected, sadness that he had to defend himself and be hurtful to the "friend" that he loved and respected. I also felt that he was showing his audience how grateful he was for their love and support after what he experienced. Not having your training and expertise, I'm always interested at how I interpret other people's behaviors compared to yours. I find that I must read people wrong.
Well you need to up that confidence of yours because this is a very sound and intelligent analysis on your part 😊. When David mentioned the refectory period you just described what can very well be happening in that moment. It’s a highly vulnerable and emotional moment.
Beautifully interpreted Vivi, i also felt his deep sadness and disappointment at that moment as well and it was heartbreaking because i know how it feels to sometimes look up to someone and trust in their goodness and it turns out to mostly be a figment of imagination. Some people are saying he served revenge not justice but i disagree. That man waited a whole year after getting slapped in front of Millions internationally, and then chose to speak his peace instead of raise his hand back in a heated moment or file a lawsuit that would have definitely won Chris has an admirable amount of patience and self control, which is an attribute apparently Will completely lacks. Also think about who made a better example overall the man who tried to humiliate another fellow comedian and man while he’s working in front of millions of people or the man who takes the higher road. Chris seems to have felt the need to defend himself mostly in-front of the black community so they understand why he waited, he wanted to be known as wise and classy not irrational and insecure, he spoke from the heart and everything he said was fact, i expected way more embellishments in the script but there was a minimal amount of that and instead he used words like bullets! This is why i was interested seeing the Eminem reference because that’s what he does as well! He used words and fact to eliminate the threat over his identity and manhood.
I am so glad you did a Part 2 and included these guests. One of the things that I never understood, when people talk about the Oscar incident, is how Chris will have to live with this for the rest of his life. Jim Carrey said he would have sued Smith because, “…that video is going to be there forever. It going to be ubiquitous.”. To me, it’s a blight on Will Smith’s reputation and career, not Chris Rock’s. Again, I didn’t understand how it looked bad for Chris. When Nate said it was an insult because he was slapped, not punched (B-slapped, if you will), then I finally got it. It wasn’t just being attacked; it was the type of attack. Maybe I’m just slow. Maybe it’s because I’m female, but I never thought of it as an insult.💡 I also enjoyed David’s insights. Thank you for this.
The mic drop was also indicative of a Year's worth of everyone saying anything they wanted to say and Will Smith's camp making promos and double talkin and fake apologies while Chris Rock went along saying nothing but having his non words being broadcasted by whoever wanted to, toward whoever wanted to listen. The mic drop said ,"Now that's my response, now we can move on! "
What what I saw when he was licking his lips is mainly him being emotional and trying not to maybe burst into tears. You could really see or at least I could see his eyes were tearing up and it was I think withholding his emotions that were raised because of the cathartic moment he just experienced of letting it all out.
I see the pain behind the anger in those last moments, intense emotion of being validated by his community, but he'd in check by pride, as men are 'supposed' to do... well played in the victor stance. Being assaulted is legit traumatic, especially as a pro emcee on the job. I hope Chris went back stage and cried it out, to let it out of his body. 🙌 Love your analysis and guests..!💖
Wow! So glad to see Nate the Lawyer. I don't just appreciate the cultural insights, but I appreciate you are a fantastic lawyer with stunning precision and grace. Thanks for coming on! Edit: saying someone is a "B" signifies they are a weak and fearful person. NATE, your unbiased insights are always fair and balanced. Much like Spidey. This was succinct and easy to absorb. I hope you both follow this mess, because there WILL be more😢to it. The guns have been drawn. Jada and Chris have flirted in the past, so I am sure there is something to that too.
I'm sure you noticed that right after he reeled back from the slap, his shoulder moved as if he would hit back. But, he restrained himself and made a joke.
I totally believe that Will Smith was transferring his anger. That makes sense. No matter my opinions about anything else that happened at the Oscars, I thought Chris Rock's reaction was mature and elegant.
Nate is the MAN, the BOMB, the GOAT!💜 Love, love, love Nate's humanity and wisdom...👏👏👏 Not to forget the love, love, love for Spidey!💜 Another with so much humanity and wisdom!
One thing I would add about how he looked after slamming the mic: that look on his face reminds me of performers at a rock concert. Think about it. You get someone pouring their heart out for an hour or two, examining topics like heartbreak, disillusionment, suicide, abuse, and transforming it into art, in a way that they can share with the world but only they can fully comprehend it from their own experiences. When the last notes of the final song are played, no matter how loud the crowd is cheering, they are still feeling everything from the last two hours of playing. It's an intense feeling, and it doesn't disappear right away. Chris Rock has the same look on his face as Trent Reznor at the end of the And All That Could Have Been DVD by Nine Inch Nails, that look of going through hell and seeing yourself on the other side, alive. Speaking of music, the term you were looking for in regards to the volume of the mic hit was "compression." It gets used a lot in music to help keep volume levels consistent. I don't know how often it gets used for stand-up comedy, but I imagine there are a lot of comics who would like using it, depending on how they deliver their routines (think someone like Lewis Black, who can speak calmly & quietly one second, and yell at the top of his lungs the next). If Chris had his sound team using compression, then that would explain why slamming the mic on the stage didn't make the sound suddenly spike or startle the crowd
I couldn’t agree more it’s not just about the fact Chris was hit it’s also all the other surrounding elements like Will slapping him with an open hand instead of punching him with closed fist, Will clearly meant to cause Chris humiliation and at the time Chris was presenting in front of MILLIONS internationally and the fact it wasn’t even an insulting joke at all towards his toxic wife to begin with is the rotten cherry on top of this completely unnecessary messed up situation.
@@cecisworld0909 It's was an empowering joke actually not am insulting one, Gi Jane was a bad ass + most importantly he wasn't aware of her condition he just thought it's a personal style choice that reflects dominance and so the joke was born, whether or not it was a good or bad joke has nothing to do with the kind of vulgar unprofessional, low class reaction Will displayed! he couldn't have easily ended it after yelling he effectively chose to get up walk to a host while working and slap him as if he isn't the one who began his and his toxic wife's scandalous streak. so do not choose to forget about all those other factors for convenience and troll a factual comment.
But it was an insulting inappropriate appearance joke from a black man who did a movie called “Good Hair” who understood the controversial topic and banked on the white people not understanding how gutter it was.
@@cecisworld0909 Someone has forgotten to tell all the other show business couples about your "spouse" rule. All the previous Oscar hosts have escaped unscathed.
I think he got the shark tale thing wrong on purpose kind of as an inside joke to himself. The fact that the joke works is proving that they remember his animated character and don't remember Will's. This would definitely rub Will the wrong way.
I'm sure SOMEONE would have pointed it out... it IS Netflix, right? Remember, the Sharks are the strong armed Mob, played by Robert NeNiro and others... an ok movie. Smith's voice is the part I could do without...
The emotion and adrenaline that Chris Rock felt must have been enormous. For the past year he has had people talking to him about the incident and he was biding his time for this moment. What an incredible amount of pressure- and release.
If Chris had hit back, I think he'd have been criticized for not handling himself more professionally as the host of the show. The Oscar's show are the ones who didn't handle it correctly. But to be fair, who wouldn't ever thought to have a protocol in place for a host being assaulted during a live Oscar's show?
Yes wow wow wow. Nate’s explanation was so simple. It had a logical order. For me, it became easy to see, it’s this one first (entanglements), then this happened (Will hasn’t overcome that entanglement episode in his life) so this happened (Will took it out on Chris with gigormous slap on the - a slap like the mike being slapped down the flor). I believe Will should call Nate and seek advice. Thanks Nate!!
@@LawNerdAmber awww I just got what you mean lol it's okay to say white people I just didn't know what you meant😂 I'm 35, old and just found out what gtsy means too🤣🤣🤣
Really great to see you acknowledging your lack of knowledge in certain areas and inviting experts for it. Spidey, humble and transparent 💯 another great video
Nate the Lawyer was fantastic. We also have to remember some comedians sees/uses their sets as therapy where they convey what they're thinking or feeling in a vary relatable way. It's one of the things that make comedy so hilarious! Relatability! Considering he hadn't said since the slap, Selective Outrage was Chris Rock's theraapy session and we were all here to listen
@@lostphilosophy5617 True.. I would have loved to see him knock him out on the spot, but the "fear" WS will have to live with (besides of his sl*t wife cucking him again) the rest of his life entertains me..
Chris brought himself down many pegs too. He should have never told an appearance joke about controversial hair topic. Shame on him. It was mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake….started by Chris.
@@cecisworld0909 NO - only if he knew, that she had an illness, and didn't just lack both taste and decency, to not f*ck round with her sons friend. Sounds like a reeeal piece of poop to me.
He went after many people, it is his job to stir up what happened over the year. And Will Smith and Jada were a topic. Cris Rock is amazing and that he did not fully destroy Will Smith that night with the events of that year. He deserves a medal for taking that punch and not fighting back.
I have great respect for Chris Rock. He handled it like a man and showed great maturity and self control. Sure he uses his talent to vent, but cudos to his way of handling things🎉🎉🎉❤
I have so much respect for Spidey when it comes to addressing culture, issues or behaviors that he is not familiar with. He never assumes or guesses what is happening, he reaches out to others who may be more familiar with it. Love that about him!
Hi Spidey! Thank you so much for inviting Nate to give cultural insights. He expresses things in such a poignant way that I hope I can communicate in one day. I just want to say something that Nate briefly touched on. I was talking to my sister about this yesterday. Black culture largely includes joking about people. That's why there's shows like "Roast me" on All Def Digital, or how whenever a bunch of black children or comedians get in a room it can turn into a roast really fast. It happens at family reunions, schools, hangout sessions. It's just part of the culture, at least where I'm from. And people don't get hurt about it usually! Because black pain is usually processed through black comedy bc we laugh about the things that hurt to make it hurt less. The GI Jane joke didn't push the envelope for me, as a black woman, and the environment for it made sense, it was time to roast the audience at the Oscars. I understand that it hurt some people, but that was just my perspective of it.
It's a thing of perspective and context, right? I'm from Central Europe and slapping a man in that situation would've been seen around here as well... maybe not appropriate but still understandable or mildly too much, and Chris' joke would have been seen as offensive and asking for trouble. But there are other aspects to it - what's the relationship between Chris Rock and the Smiths, the whole infidelity thing, it's the Oscars, Will Smith on edge and unhinged about something else entirely... Like it's one thing but so many layers to it. I'm honestly surprised this kind of humor is typical for the black community, which due to my geographics I know little to nothing about. It's an important aspect I totally missed!
I challenge you to state another appearance joke made by a host of a nominee’s spouse. I’ll wait. We are not privy to these former friends’ previous interactions. I believe it wasn’t the first time Will asked Chris to lay off his wife. And I totally agree with your explanation about Roast behavior in black culture. Let’s talk about boundaries of said culture; because there are some. And I would argue appearance jokes of a spouse in front of said spouse is one of them. Clearly, Chris stepped across a boundary and got slapped. And I have to point out that the Oscar’s is NOT the place for black roast me sessions. Chris said it best when he said “don’t fight in front if the white people”. It was an inappropriate.
The GI Jane joke wasn't about being black though. It was about her alopecia. So you can't say it didn't push the envelope for you unless you yourself go through something like that. I don't personally think it's appropriate to joke about someone's appearance, especially something that can't be cured or helped. However, like they said in the video, if you don't like a joke you have every right to disagree with it, but to respond with violence is a huge no-no.
@@cecisworld0909 I think your perspective is fair. There's an added cultural element to it that was discussed here, whether it was inappropriate to you even with that cultural element is up to you. I have seen roasts in many environments and the boundaries are different in all of them. Which is why I specified that it didn't push the envelope for me. I also just didn't see the GI Jane joke as insulting, apparently Jada did along with many other people. I can understand why other people have that perspective, I just don't share it.
@@GmmBeast how do you know that the joke was about? Everyone is stating they don’t understand the violence response. And I believe they never will. We called the joking playing the dozens where I’m from. And one unwritten rule is NOT to tell a personal joke about someone’s relative that is present. Jada was present. Another rule is to not tell offensive jokes about a family members appearance that can’t be helped. Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock did a whole movie about black hair and he understood how low his joke was and he also understood that nonblack people would not understand how gutter the joke was. It’s hard to explain but it’s like Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock was calling her a bald headed bitch that needs to be taken down a couple pegs for how she emasculated Will on red table talk and tried to bully him out of an Oscar gig. It’s deep. Another rule of the dozens is you do not play it in front of white peoples. The Oscar’s was not an appropriate venue for such a guttersnipe joke. He started this debauchery. And Will responded, albeit wrongly with violence. It was mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. That Got/Slapped/Chris started. The irony and selective outrage of it all. OMG
Great analysis as always! When I watched this particular clip (the very ending of the special, him taking in the applause), it looked to me like he might be holding back tears. This had to have been a cathartic moment for him, finally saying what he wanted to say about the incident and (hopefully) moving on with his life and career.
Chris was deeply traumatized by the slap. It hurt him in so many ways unrelated to the actual feel of the contact to his face. I appreciate how you knew that you could never speak fully to the last joke, Spidey. Great to have Nate. It’s sad that a “clean” life was marred by one misplaced slap that was born of so much more than Chris Rock’s words and doesnt really seem to represent previously beloved Will Smith. Will lost so much by this one moment. His life was deliberately lived “clean”. A whole life and 1 minute took so much. The whole thing is so sad. Will and Chris need to get together and go through it all until they get down to the tears and laughs. The kiddos in our fam don’t understand and are missing out watching more of the Will they love since he’s been shamed into hiding and a not angry/ hurt Chris. Thanks also to Mr. Stephens.
I also do this when I feel awkward like I am about to cross the street and passing by people. Idk why I even feel awkward walking pass people but I notice this is when I habitually do the lip compression.
Wow there was a cultural response to Will that the rest if us didn't get. thanks Nate the Lawyer. And we all learned a lesson from Rock not just the black community but all of us. What a man Chris Rock is not just what a black man but what a man. Love this interview.
Great content with fabulous guests. To me it looked like Chris Rock was fighting back tears (relief/emotion) at the end. He did such a great job with this special.
The end of Chris' special I found the eye and body expressions to be more of a "I did it - I said it - I meant it -", but also still watching for an attack from the sidelines. Kind of a reliving of the moments that led him to this moment.
That's even what I thought the asymmetrical mouth meant. I mirrored it and found myself saying, "I've done it, let's see if they tear me to shreds in the next second." Not contempt at all. Nor did I see the raised arms as grandiose. He waited to see the reaction, then responded to the audience support with "Hallelujah, they got it." That's why Rock mouthed "thank you." He looked grateful, not proud, to me.
I’m only halfway through, I had been planning to watch a couple minutes, finish later, just got home… but I’m hooked, this is great, love the collab/conversation!
I was thinking about the shark thing; maybe often it's said that sharks have dead eyes and that they don't think but that they run on instinct, so when will walked up on stage, Chris noticed that his thoughts turned off, but he was working solely based on behavior that he was conditioned to have or expected or felt entitled to have.
Loved seeing Nate the Lawyer on this channel. Watch you both separately. What a nice, unexpected surprise to see this collab. Appreciate both of your inputs.
I've always felt the emotional pain was worse than physical. I was physically assaulted many times as a kid but the worst was how they treated me and talked to and about me.
I completely agree. As an abuse survivor (emotional, psychological and verbal) there were many times I wish he had have hit me instead. Physical heals much faster than verbal and mental and the pain goes away (usually). Verbal and mental cuts to the heart and the damage can last a lifetime.
Such great insight about both the incident at the awards show and the Chris Rock special. I had said this in the last react video, Chris was the better man through it all. His way of fighting back was in his words and I completely resect his reaction. Thank you to both Nate the Lawyer and David Stephens for their input. Also thank you Spidey for putting this together.
Thank you for your videos. I have been learning so much. It has helped so much in my job as a security officer at a behavioral health outpatient clinic. We get a very brief training on behavior and things to watch for but you go into so much more. I can't recommend your channel enough to others. I appreciate you taking the time to do these so very much.
I agree! Also check out the behavior panel. (They're all friends with Spidey) you'll learn SO MUCH about body language and behavior. It helps if life in general so freaking much! I work as a grocery manager and even I literally use it everyday with employees and customers alike!
I just remembered something I wanted to mention... it's petty, and Chris definitely should get away with it: misremembering something on purpose. It shows that person's work is unremarkable (not noteworthy).
Enjoyed this…how much better would our society be if we were capable of this level of critical thinking…and thanks for sharing Nate..I’ve never heard of him..
Love Nate the lawyer! Great idea bringing him, was very helpful understanding the cultural aspect. Spidey I click on your videos soooo fast! You are so impressive!
And what most people are missing is why the joke invoked such a violent response in the first place. The discussions are starting In The middle. Not the beginning. The joke was a deeply insensitive insult on black womens hair from a man who did a whole movie called “Good Hair”. He knew what he was doing and he knew the average white person and surface black person would not get the true meaning and intention of the verbal open handed slap he gave Jada. How dare she tell Him to boycott the Oscars when Will wasn’t nominated. How dare she emasculate Will on Red Table Talk and stay with him when his wife divorced him for infidelity and took half his money without telling one joke. He intended to put her Jada in her place. And he did it in front of her husband and found himself at the intersection of f-cked around and found out. Most people who are applauding Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock are missing or ignoring all the signs of inconsistencies of his actions. And the irony of many of his statements and actions. Which he is banking on. Selective outrage, indeed.
Just a quick note on something else I saw (or thought I saw!) on his face at the very end; I did see contempt, anger and pride, his "victor's stance" but I saw some sadness come through too...at a couple of points he looks like he could easily switch to crying to me.
I really want to applaud you Spidey for recognizing a cultural boundary and providing a platform for a colleague who can speak on it. Very classy and inspired
I started following Nate after shortly after I subscribed to Andy Signore's channel, Popcorned Planet, where I learned of Nate. I respect Nate a lot because he's open, direct, no BS and always demonstrates courage dealing with issues regardless of the narrative by the masses or mainstream media. He often speaks his own view with no hesitation, and dies so with critical thinking and respect.
Beautiful!! Appreciating Nate’s commentary highlighting the cultural interpretation and differences. I might play devil’s advocate on the wrap-up that even for white folks, the adage is “don’t fight with a crazy person because onlookers can’t tell who is who”. Yet, that cultural insight is perfect, thank you for that. The mic metaphor of slapping back, YAAS. Love it even more now. Conquer-stance - deserved, earned, justice of the best kind.
I have a perspective that was hoping you and David would touch on. That is at the the emotion at the end. Yes "contept" and yes "pride" but I also saw (sadness? Not the right word). Like he was on the verge of tears almost. Like a huge weight had been lifted from his shoulders. Did you see anything like that??
I loved the discussion here with Nate regarding cultural context, and the reason for Chris Rock's: "Don't fight in front of white people" line. Especially the deep dive into the criticism from some news articles that Chris might have "continued the fight", and was somehow being hypocritical. I think you successfully argued against that assertion. I think it's important to add that Chris's words - comedic or not - are a *reasonable* response to what happened. It is _not_ unreasonable to point out that physical violence is unacceptable, or to explain why turning the other cheek is a useful and admirable tool to use, even when done in a comedic fashion. Those things need to be said and discussed, and good on Chris for saying them publicly.
@@cecisworld0909 The definition of "turning the other cheek" you're using is virtually impossible for anyone to meet. A more reasonable definition includes all the ways Chris could have - but did *not* - try to even the score. Chris did not physically attack Will or Jada. He did not hire or manipulate others into physically hurting them. He did not try to use his power and influence in the industry to hurt Will or Jada's careers. He did not try to ruin their marriage in any of the vindictive ways that were available to him because of what happened. Instead of any one of a myriad of unreasonably petty and spiteful actions, he chose to turn the moment into a comedy routine, and even used that to add in interesting cultural commentary around perceptions of "Black violence". That is laudable and his response should be celebrated, as it is the very opposite of malice. Yes, he is angry, but that is not unreasonable, as he was wronged in a very public and humiliating fashion. I feel anger is a very misunderstood emotion, largely because too many people in this modern day and age say it is unacceptable, when it is in fact very natural as long as it can be used and channeled into something productive and mature, as Chris Rock demonstrates here.
@@RoryMitchell00 Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock can NOT have selective outrage for a vial inappropriate joke he told to humiliate Jada during a show broadcasted in 20 different countries. That is all I am saying. Neither can he control the response. And we, the public, can not determine what was an appropriate action because Will, Jada, and Chris/GotBitchSlapped have history that we are not privy to. I believe Oscar night is not the first time Will has told Chris/GotBitchSlapped to lay off his wife. Wrong is wrong. And we can not start in the middle. Start at the beginning which is GotBitchSlapped Chris
@@cecisworld0909 Unfortunately, your overuse of childish and pejorative labels significantly detract from the point I'm guessing you're trying to make in your response. Unfortunately, I can only quote Haidt by saying: "That is a slur - not an argument."
@@RoryMitchell00 Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock is getting praise, accolades, and recognition for calling Will A Bitch multiple time during his Netflix special. Why am I not provided the same grace. Selective outrage… indeed.
Interesting to say that's what a black man would do not an n-word would do. Never thought about it like that, thanks for having Nate's perspective on this.
This made me really realize how much he must be using his rational thinking from day to day to have the ability to keep his rational thinking in a fight or flight moment. It has to be so normal to you to think your way through situations when it's still your go-to response under adrenaline and threat. Your neurons need to have some seriously strong connections to override "the reptile brain". The cultural aspect was really valuable information!
Love the cultural perspective and the collaborations! Thank you for the great explanation about the reference to "Suge Smith". Chris is a brilliant comedian. He's a master at words!
Thank you so, so much Spidy for having Nate on your channel! I'm a huge fan of Nate, he is an amazing, honest individual, my full respect!! Love your topics Spidy.
Really liked that Nate provided such great insight into this! However, I do need to bring attention to the fact words do hurt people. Many people who have experienced dv say the words hurt more as bruises go away but the words stay forever in the brain.
Definitely! As a child that was physically and verbally/emotionally abused, the verbal attacks still replays and echoes in my mind. It's my parents words that I'm stupid, can never amount to anything, whenever I'm making decisions that holds me back and tells me I'm not good enough. Whereas my scars on my body have faded away.
Yes I agree. However, words here are used within the media/ entertainment communities. Everyone knows that Rock is a comedian and he is not trying to offend people when he tells his jokes. That’s the price that celebrities have to pay for being the focal point most of the time.
Yes, you do make a good point about those specific situations being harmful. If I may, please allow me to offer a counterpoint though. In the case of verbal abuse within a domestic violence situation, or similarly in the case of unkind words from parents or another loved one, I would argue that it is not the words themselves that hurt, but the _withdrawal of love and support_ that is demonstrated by those words that causes so much damage to a person. If the exact same words said by a stranger have less - or no - impact on an individual, then it is the context that is important, and the argument that "words don't hurt" is still technically a strong position to take when judging personal interactions.
Who's to say which is worse ? They are equally bad. A parent verbally abusing a child scars a child in a way they may never resolve. The child may question this their whole life " was it really so bad ?" Being physically abused by a spouse is so obviously wrong, yes. But i disagree that once the scars heal, its over. The body records the pain. Physical abuse stays with you, it gets buried deep, I know this first hand.
I agree about the dv impact, but -a comedian performing is not a parent talking to a child -I experienced dv in my childhood, so I don't want to sound unsensitive, but as an adult I can choose which kind of comedy attend, so if some kind of humour hurts I don't go to the show, or I don't watch the video: I know it's not personal, I know that's a trigger for me, I can't appreciate but it's not 'wrong' or 'bad' by itself -it's simply not my cup of tea.
I have to add....if Jada was confident enough to NOT wear a wig to the biggest night in Hollywood, why was she not confident enough to say, "yeah! G.I. Jane is a badass and I could most definitely pull it off!" She chose to sit in the front row BALD, chose to air her ENTANGLEMENT, but can't take a joke and turn it into a compliment with even the nod of her head. She could have owned that moment. But then, we wouldn't have this great comedy special by Chris.
Jada could have worn a wig, but I have a feeling that she decided to go bald that night, to one of the most glamorous and televised events, just to thumb her nose at people, just daring someone to say something so she could act offended. And she got her wish. Someone did say something and she got the attention she was wanting. And Will and Chris had to pay the price, as well as everyone else that night who were harmed.
She publicly stated that she was proud of her baldness and felt zero shame and still felt beautiful. I guess not!! Lol
Well said, absolutely agree.
The GI Jane joke was really a compliment.
I bet MOST of the women that night wore some kind of hairpiece, that day. ...men too! Men aren't thrilled about balding, either! (Given a well sculpted head and a man is even sexier, completely shaven!😍)
"Don't fight in front of white people" was about Will Smith undoing everything he could have accomplished that night. To go from "Oscars so white" to Smith winning best actor should have been an amazing cultural moment. Smith ruined that. Jada was telling Rock he should boycott a previous Oscars due to lack of representation and this is how her husband represents at the Oscars! That night, it was Rock who was representing his race with exceptional professionalism.
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🌟✨Very well put! 🤍✨🌟
Jada caused the whole thing! Smith laughed at Rock's joke & ONLY after seeing Jada's face did he go nuts.
WHY? Because she's a narcissist who couldn't stand Will winning a Oscar, & she successfully ruined his night. Also, Smith is trauma bonded to Jada after 20yrs of marriage. I'm a therapist, & there seems to be a lack of decent one's in Hollywood. I spotted this a mile away. Much ❤️ All
@SeventiesLeo agree, I can’t believe how delusional ppl are.
Bingo!
To me, it looked like he was almost going to cry (from relief, not sadness) shortly after he threw the mic down, and was holding it in by pressing his lips together. I can't explain the facial expression but it looked more like he felt relief at finally telling his side of the story, getting some physical aggression out on the mic, as well as pride at being accepted and cheered by the audience.
Agreed.
I agree his expression after the mic drop were akin to "finally I have said my piece, I feel so relieved, so free I want to cry" I feel he was trying to hold back all of his emotions all the thoughts he surely has been having all this time.
Yes, I think so too
I'm with you. I thought he was holding back tears of relief at finally getting it all out in front of a worldwide audience, and that was part of the lip compression.
Same!
Nate really made the most accurate point. Will has not gotten over the pain of Jada’s infidelity. And he needs to deal with that. Mostly for himself. ✨✨✨
We all acknowledge will smith is in pain but what type of person kicks someone while they're down? Chris should be slapped again for calling Jada a b*tch and continuing to antagonize them
HE never said HER "NAME"....🤜🏿🤛🏿💯💪🏿
Will has been embarrassed, ashamed, ridiculed, humiliated, betrayed... by this "woman". His brain is obviously not keeping up with his "I'm cool with it" farce of an attitude...
@@AnnieWarbux and that is Will and Jada’s business. Not Chris’s. His joke was out of line. Appearance jokes in the subjects presence should never be considered appropriate.
Lol! Jada made it EVERYONE'S Business! Ef her! I never even Knew Will's wife was like... how she obviously IS! "Poor Will" lasts only so long. He best think about that. He best bust a move... and Soon!!
I was nervous (lol) but Nate did a great job explaining how we Black folks feel about a lot of these thorny cultural issues. Kudos to Chris for holding his tongue for a whole year and making his comments count, on his terms.
I was nervous too ! Nate did well speaking for the general population
Agreed 💯.
Spidey....I have to thank you. Not even you just understanding a cultural blind spot to not comment but to get someone who could EXPLAIN the context. Wow man, immense respect, that's next level
Thanks man. Nate is amazing and I’m so glad he has a chance to come hang out on the channel 😊 glad you enjoyed it!
I agree I love Spidey's insights & his sensitivity.
I think the mic throw was because Chris’s show needed more than a mic drop. It was “There! I’m done & I won” and I think he was overcome with emotion at the end and held it together with the “I won the fight” face
I concur. and Rock laughed all the way to the bank 👏 #GOAT
It's his signature move he drops the mic after every show he's ever done
@@Bo0nEdOgg-757- That is what I was thinking. I can't remember a special where he didn't drop the mic
The mic drop felt like how slamming the phone (before cellphones) down when hanging up on someone you're done with! There was a feeling of emotional release we don't get with disconnecting a cellphone call.
Excellent point!
"Those were the days..."🎵
I'd pay money for that sound to be on my cell phone when I'm pissed and want that slam hang up
I know kids of this era don't get how GOOD 😊it feels to hang up on someone. It is like elevating up to the sky 😊😊😊
Well we could throw the phone as hard as we could out the window like I did ...only once but it felt great.
At the end of the day, that GI Jane joke was NOT a real insult! She was compared to the absolutely beautiful Demi Moore in a role where she was beautiful and strong 🙄🙄 medical condition or not that wasn’t a low blow. I agree with Nate the Lawyer’s take on it. Thanks for another great video Spidey 🤩⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Yooooo! Lol there was an epic scene Involving a memorium for the microphone with “I will remember you” playing but I had to cut it out because it got slapped for copyright 😞 glad you enjoyed this humorless version. 😂
@@TheBehavioralArts 😮 “humorless”?! No way! The Eminem clip and other points were funny! But I can imagine that moment for the mic 🎤 when it got “Will Smithed” 😭😂 But after that special🫣I’ll be holding a candle 🕯️ playing Sarah McLachlan’s “Angel” for Will Smith’s ego 🥴🤧
@@ThatsBoujee lol this comedy special was brought to us by Sarah McLachlan. F**k It Im making a short with the microphones memorium. Can’t copyright a video that’s not monetized!!!
@@TheBehavioralArts 🤣🤣😂😂😭😭 Do it!!!!
@@ThatsBoujee And I will be holding a candle light visual for here to going forward GotBitchSlappedChris who found himself at the mathematical intersection of F-cked around and found out. Selective outrage is to not apply the same logic towards the beginning of this train wreck which was the joke. Start at the beginning not the middle. You don’t have to understand why Will felt it was an appropriate action. But please try to understand that was his feeling. Its mistake after mistake after mistake. Appearance jokes of a spouse of a nominee are off limits. Stick to the nominees and leave appearance alone.
Chris not fighting back was very impressive to me. He reigned in the impulse to defend himself in the moment. That’s a LOT of self restraint. I’m not sure I’d of had the same restraint.
Not just that, Rock literally has 10 brothers who all wanted to retaliate but didn't because it wasn't what Chris wanted. All the Rock boys were brought up right.
@@jackwhitbread4583wow! I hadn’t heard that.
Had he not picked Jada out from the crowd and highlighted what may have been a sensitive topic, he wouldn't have put himself in the place to be slapped. Will kept saying" keep my wife's name out of your mouth" that lends to more than just the highlighting of Jada's condition, there's a lot more that wasn't revealed.
Chris won hands down. By staying professional and taking the slap he became the champ. And it cost Will million$
I wouldn't have. I would have beat the brakes off of him, or died trying.
Wow! The explanation for the last “mic drop” line is so beautifully explained! Bravo! As a Hispanic woman I completely understand the “you get hit, you hit back” mentally. It makes me admire Chris Rock even MORE for the way he handled himself and the intelligence in his comedy special is just on another level!
"The pen is mightier than the sword." And standup comedy is mightier than brawling. Great job.
3 topics I’m sure SHATTERED Will to hear :
1. That he isn’t the squeaky clean guy he wanted everyone to think he is
2. That Wills parents didn’t raise him well.
3. Mentioning how Jada hurt him way more than he hurt him.
And that’s all he needed to do without lifting a finger and stepping down to Will”s level of insecurity and lack of self awareness. Revenge is a Rock best served comedically!
Loved that last bit.
Just make sure you don’t throw that Rock in the subjects presence or risk getting Bitch Slapped Again.
@@cecisworld0909 well I highly doubt that. He pretty much ruined his own career by getting butt hurt that he first laughed at and made a fool of himself.
One word is missing from this. Polygamous.
@@cecisworld0909 Will Smith made himself an N word in front of the entire world now he's being laughed it even after his "victim" tour.
I love "Nate the Lawyer". His content should be used at schools due to the precious value of ethics and civil education. I always forward his videos to my 15-year-old son because they are so well explained.
His explanation of the law is so refreshing too, clear, no bias and with a refreshing positive take. 😊
Nate is the absolute best. I don't know how he doesn't have a 1M followers already!
But then all we would hear is fox news screaming about it.
@@323azteca I know I share his videos often i only have about 600 subs but hoping that shares the word about his channel a bit as he really is awesome!🤗❤
@@bernieheartdragon1888 I've not listened to any MSM in 9 years, the only time is when Nate uploads something they've said. I don't have regular TV just stream what I watch. 🤗🙏
Will definitely was projecting his pain and anger onto Chris. As for Chris, he showed the ultimate self control which is another level of maturity. He did the right thing.
I concur.
The dueling aspect is an interesting one. By slapping Chris, Will effectively challenged him to a duel, and in accordance with tradition Chris chose the weapons, and shot him right between the eyes. Honor satisfied.
I truly enjoyed Nate
@enjarichards8100 I didn't think of that, good one. Thanks!
I love this statement
Right after the mic drop, Chris Rock looks around the entire audience to see their response. When he sees people giving him a standing ovation, THEN he feels validated & takes the proud victory lap, IMO. He’s definitely laying it all out there!!!
One thing I'm seeing in Chris right after the mic "slam" - that wasn't touched upon in your great discussion - is a _significant_ amount of vulnerability. The best frame of it is at the 30:58 mark of the video. Chris has wide eyes, his lips are compressed, but he looks like he is on the verge of tears as he scans the audience for any support/help. It stands to reason that there would be a very strong welling of emotions at the end of this huge event, and because of the positioning of his arms (hanging limply at his sides, in a "defenseless" posture), it really feels like he is very much needing approval for what he has just exposed of himself. He finally allowed himself to open up about his private feelings, and to experience and show all his anger publicly for the world to see (and judge!), and for a few seconds after that moment he is uncertain and very, very vulnerable. Then the applause from the audience comes and rewards him in taking what is a very big risk, and we see the wide stance and grandiose posture from him.
Great video, and I learned a lot from Nate and David, and from yourself as well Spidey, as always! Thanks so much!
Exactly. I caught the moment of his vulnerability-where he’s almost tearing up-right after the mic slam. I felt it with him. And I was very happy that the audience quickly showed him support and acceptance. It restored his pride.
Wow! Great point!!
YESSSSSS....all of this!
Agreed
Exactly!!!
My husband pointed out that in Shark Tails, Will pretended to be a shark slayer and bigger creatures feared his fake persona. So it's pretty easy for ppl who dont remember the film to think Will played the shark. Especially since he is always powerful in other films. That's a easy mistake to make. I too forgot that he wasn't the shark.
When Chris slammed down the mike, it reminded me of a football player who's just scored a touchdown and slams the ball down onto the ground. I think it wasn't anger, I think it was self-satisfaction.
Great comparison! Love it! Would absolutely explain the contempt as well
I appreciate you having Nate for cultural context. I especially appreciate you having someone of AA culture and lineage and not just someone black. The fact that you understand the nuiance is amazing from my experiences. I appreciate it.
Spivey, But you missed the mark by not having an AA woman explain how demeaning the joke was that got the response that many who don’t understand are saying was out of line. I appreciate that you acknowledge the cultural implications but please bring an AA women onto your next video if you do one. That joke was gutter, below the belt and inappropriate coming from someone who DOES NOT like Jada.
I like seeing these two pair up..👍
@@cecisworld0909 GI Jane was a badass character played by Demi Moore. So thats a complement.
If you are referring to Jada having alopecia. She does not. She had a face lift and the scar is from that surgery. I know many women with alopecia, and it sure are hell doesn't look neat and uniform like Jada's head.
@@cecisworld0909 please don't speak for all African American women. i am one. i wear my hair natural as well. it was A JOKE. and i told my man that if anyone ever joked about my appearance he BETTER NOT get up on a stage and punch someone and act a fool.
@@Selahree facts
Great idea having Nate on! This was great, thanks to you both! I believe I saw Chris Rock say he already had the Netflix deal to do 2-4 shows for $40 million, so that was already on the line for him to not screw up by fighting on a global stage. Good job
He also ordered his brothers not to retaliate, he has 10 of them! This to me is almost as impressive as Rock not making a big fuss. He didn't want his brothers to get in trouble on his behalf, the Rock boys were all raised well I've gotta say
@@jackwhitbread4583 excellent comment. So true
Chris' eyes also being slightly welled-up with tears, in my opinion, seems to show his pain, anger and disbelief, that how could Will have done this to his friend.
I agree.
I think that Chris did this to try to prove that, although Will may be physically bigger than he is, Chris proved himself to be the bigger man by NOT reacting to Will's slap by hitting him.
AMEN 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏
One of the things about the parent thing is it can be seen as a sneak diss towards Jada and Will. Jada and Will have both spoken on the lack of good parenting they had growing up. Not to mention they themselves have been criticized for being bad parents.
Yep. We definitely talked about this in part 1 of the analysis 😊 but yeah. Dead on
@Jen Agrippa all is fair in war... If I hit you I can't tell you how to hit me back.
@@12MATASA That is a great point and quite Poetic.
I love the fact that you brought in Nate the lawyer it goes to show that you do look at all aspects and are not prejudice and realize the cultural aspects.
Chris Rock is a such a great example of you don’t need to use violence to serve justice.
And “revenge is best served cold”
@@kims6888 have you heard the all the information that Will is actually gay this is why he’s still with Jada because she helps him hide that fact and that both of them are bi sexual etc… !! Hollywood is CRAZY
& a great lesson on how a lot of ppl wasn’t raised on how to manage your emotions.
He didn't serve justice. He served revenge. There's a huge difference.
Romans 12:19-21 KJV
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. [20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. [21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
@@nikirenneechambers soooooooo true. I was never taught to manage my emotions. Neither were my folks. Not sure how far that goes back. Livin for my therapy.
Chris is a clever man, he knew full well that Will was trying to get him to react so he would have ruined his career... Chris, with his dignity and restraint has humiliated Will and made him look like a petulant child.
Chris showed that he's in control of his emotions. You can only be humiliated if you react as if you have been humiliated. If you ignore the humiliation and rise above it, the other person looks like a loser, that's why Will was so angry afterwards...
Very well said...couldn't of said it better myself!! ☺️👌
I remember when I watched it thinking "wtf is going on with Jada? They were all laughs and smiles and she just looked at Will, and then he completely changed. She controls his emotional state and easily manipulates his actions. Very, very toxic relationship between those two. He needs to get out." Then later on, found out that she was banging her kid's friend. Made me really sad for him and angry at her. The dynamics there are really unhealthy and dysfunctional.
@@azurephoenix9546 The fact the Jaden the son got manticipated at such a very young 13..14 ..15 yrs old somewhere around then tells you alot!!
It's cheaper to stay married! All the kids are grown and over 18 so Will wouldn't have to pay child support but half his hard worked money would go to Jada the devil if they were to divorce. 😞
@@steib294
I think as a kid of a family that dysfunctional, I would get out as soon as I could as well. Just to have the ability to be in control of my own life.
@@azurephoenix9546 exactly!! I would of done the same!
After the throw, I saw gratitude for accepting his presentation. This has to have been his most vulnerable offering, closest to his soul.
Absolutely, I agree, but I also saw it as an 'in your face Will Smith' moment.
@@nancywenn1093 , one hundred!
Spidey is smart and respectful enough to know that he can't speak to a cultural reference that he can't fully appreciate or understand because it has never been his experience. There are people who would try just because they have "studied it" or have "friends" in another community and that would not be an informative representation. Thanks so much for bringing Nate in to talk to us about this portion of Chris's performance Spidey, I always learn a lot from Nate and appreciate his wisdom:
I hope to see yous do many more collaborations in the future! x
🦋Thanks to Nate the Lawyer and David Stephens for being such wonderful guests and thank you Spidey for inviting them and bringing so much more information to this discussion. As usual I learned a lot. Appreciate your time putting this video together for us to learn More about behavior.
To me as a person who is NOT an expert, but lived a very unsafe life, in a VERY violent environment, it means something else. "LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO?!, I DIDN'T WANNA DO THIS!, BUT YOU TOOK IT THERE, AND I FINISHED IT!"
That may be the reason, but it’s not an excuse.
Found you during the A vs JD trials and been watching since. So, first time responder.
After the mic throw, I thought I caught a brief glimpse of sadness or hurt. Sadness or hurtfulness to be publicly slapped in front of a HUGE audience by someone he loved and respected, sadness that he had to defend himself and be hurtful to the "friend" that he loved and respected. I also felt that he was showing his audience how grateful he was for their love and support after what he experienced.
Not having your training and expertise, I'm always interested at how I interpret other people's behaviors compared to yours. I find that I must read people wrong.
Well you need to up that confidence of yours because this is a very sound and intelligent analysis on your part 😊. When David mentioned the refectory period you just described what can very well be happening in that moment. It’s a highly vulnerable and emotional moment.
Beautifully interpreted Vivi, i also felt his deep sadness and disappointment at that moment as well and it was heartbreaking because i know how it feels to sometimes look up to someone and trust in their goodness and it turns out to mostly be a figment of imagination. Some people are saying he served revenge not justice but i disagree. That man waited a whole year after getting slapped in front of Millions internationally, and then chose to speak his peace instead of raise his hand back in a heated moment or file a lawsuit that would have definitely won Chris has an admirable amount of patience and self control, which is an attribute apparently Will completely lacks. Also think about who made a better example overall the man who tried to humiliate another fellow comedian and man while he’s working in front of millions of people or the man who takes the higher road. Chris seems to have felt the need to defend himself mostly in-front of the black community so they understand why he waited, he wanted to be known as wise and classy not irrational and insecure, he spoke from the heart and everything he said was fact, i expected way more embellishments in the script but there was a minimal amount of that and instead he used words like bullets!
This is why i was interested seeing the Eminem reference because that’s what he does as well! He used words and fact to eliminate the threat over his identity and manhood.
I am so glad you did a Part 2 and included these guests.
One of the things that I never understood, when people talk about the Oscar incident, is how Chris will have to live with this for the rest of his life. Jim Carrey said he would have sued Smith because, “…that video is going to be there forever. It going to be ubiquitous.”. To me, it’s a blight on Will Smith’s reputation and career, not Chris Rock’s. Again, I didn’t understand how it looked bad for Chris.
When Nate said it was an insult because he was slapped, not punched (B-slapped, if you will), then I finally got it. It wasn’t just being attacked; it was the type of attack. Maybe I’m just slow. Maybe it’s because I’m female, but I never thought of it as an insult.💡
I also enjoyed David’s insights. Thank you for this.
The slap is still not the first mistake. The appearance joke was. Lost respect for Chris.
I had not understood the action itself was so nuanced either.
Jada was absolutely behind it. SHE makes the snowballs, but gets Will to throw them. Chris knows WHO was behind that slap.
It's ABSOLUTELY different. The context is the Oscars and Chris' Job is to host and tell jokes. He in no way attacked Jada. That idea is ridiculous.
The mic drop was also indicative of a Year's worth of everyone saying anything they wanted to say and Will Smith's camp making promos and double talkin and fake apologies while Chris Rock went along saying nothing but having his non words being broadcasted by whoever wanted to, toward whoever wanted to listen.
The mic drop said ,"Now that's my response, now we can move on! "
Yay Nate the Lawyer! What a great person to come on and explain. He is so objective and eloquent in his speech. Love seeing the two of you together!
Same!
What what I saw when he was licking his lips is mainly him being emotional and trying not to maybe burst into tears. You could really see or at least I could see his eyes were tearing up and it was I think withholding his emotions that were raised because of the cathartic moment he just experienced of letting it all out.
I actually cried when he did that since it came off as that to me too. I really thought he was trying his best not to cry.
I see the pain behind the anger in those last moments, intense emotion of being validated by his community, but he'd in check by pride, as men are 'supposed' to do... well played in the victor stance. Being assaulted is legit traumatic, especially as a pro emcee on the job. I hope Chris went back stage and cried it out, to let it out of his body. 🙌
Love your analysis and guests..!💖
Wow! So glad to see Nate the Lawyer. I don't just appreciate the cultural insights, but I appreciate you are a fantastic lawyer with stunning precision and grace. Thanks for coming on! Edit: saying someone is a "B" signifies they are a weak and fearful person. NATE, your unbiased insights are always fair and balanced. Much like Spidey. This was succinct and easy to absorb. I hope you both follow this mess, because there WILL be more😢to it. The guns have been drawn. Jada and Chris have flirted in the past, so I am sure there is something to that too.
That last sentence👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼I thought the same 😬
I'm sure you noticed that right after he reeled back from the slap, his shoulder moved as if he would hit back. But, he restrained himself and made a joke.
Good point. I saw that too.
I totally believe that Will Smith was transferring his anger. That makes sense. No matter my opinions about anything else that happened at the Oscars, I thought Chris Rock's reaction was mature and elegant.
Will WAS angry and he has said he has "history" with Chris. I wish Will had addressed that "history" in private.
@@enoughstuff333 And I wish Chris would have addressed his anger toward Jada in private and left her appearance alone. It was an inappropriate joke.
Nate is the MAN, the BOMB, the GOAT!💜
Love, love, love Nate's humanity and wisdom...👏👏👏
Not to forget the love, love, love for Spidey!💜 Another with so much humanity and wisdom!
He was still reliving but also making sure no tears came. Huge emotionality at the close.
I LOVE that Spidey recognized the cultural aspect of Chris Rock’s comments and invited someone who could give us the “insider’s POV”.
Nate killed that interview with the ending perspective question. Mic DROPPED 🎤 😮
One thing I would add about how he looked after slamming the mic: that look on his face reminds me of performers at a rock concert. Think about it. You get someone pouring their heart out for an hour or two, examining topics like heartbreak, disillusionment, suicide, abuse, and transforming it into art, in a way that they can share with the world but only they can fully comprehend it from their own experiences. When the last notes of the final song are played, no matter how loud the crowd is cheering, they are still feeling everything from the last two hours of playing. It's an intense feeling, and it doesn't disappear right away. Chris Rock has the same look on his face as Trent Reznor at the end of the And All That Could Have Been DVD by Nine Inch Nails, that look of going through hell and seeing yourself on the other side, alive.
Speaking of music, the term you were looking for in regards to the volume of the mic hit was "compression." It gets used a lot in music to help keep volume levels consistent. I don't know how often it gets used for stand-up comedy, but I imagine there are a lot of comics who would like using it, depending on how they deliver their routines (think someone like Lewis Black, who can speak calmly & quietly one second, and yell at the top of his lungs the next). If Chris had his sound team using compression, then that would explain why slamming the mic on the stage didn't make the sound suddenly spike or startle the crowd
I couldn’t agree more it’s not just about the fact Chris was hit it’s also all the other surrounding elements like Will slapping him with an open hand instead of punching him with closed fist, Will clearly meant to cause Chris humiliation and at the time Chris was presenting in front of MILLIONS internationally and the fact it wasn’t even an insulting joke at all towards his toxic wife to begin with is the rotten cherry on top of this completely unnecessary messed up situation.
And Chris meant to cause Jada Humiliation with an appearance joke about a nominees spouse. Off limits. Start at the beginning. Not in the middle.
@@cecisworld0909 It's was an empowering joke actually not am insulting one, Gi Jane was a bad ass + most importantly he wasn't aware of her condition he just thought it's a personal style choice that reflects dominance and so the joke was born, whether or not it was a good or bad joke has nothing to do with the kind of vulgar unprofessional, low class reaction Will displayed! he couldn't have easily ended it after yelling he effectively chose to get up walk to a host while working and slap him as if he isn't the one who began his and his toxic wife's scandalous streak. so do not choose to forget about all those other factors for convenience and troll a factual comment.
But it was an insulting inappropriate appearance joke from a black man who did a movie called “Good Hair” who understood the controversial topic and banked on the white people not understanding how gutter it was.
@@cecisworld0909 So I guess you’re the type of person to hit someone for a joke you don’t like in a comedy show ?
ok then 💀
@@cecisworld0909 Someone has forgotten to tell all the other show business couples about your "spouse" rule. All the previous Oscar hosts have escaped unscathed.
I think he got the shark tale thing wrong on purpose kind of as an inside joke to himself. The fact that the joke works is proving that they remember his animated character and don't remember Will's. This would definitely rub Will the wrong way.
I'm sure SOMEONE would have pointed it out... it IS Netflix, right? Remember, the Sharks are the strong armed Mob, played by Robert NeNiro and others... an ok movie. Smith's voice is the part I could do without...
I love Nate. I appreciate his voice so much, I could listen to him talk all day. 😁
Absolutely
Yes! He is incredible. He should have 1M subscribers already!
Not to mention the fabulous smile that I get lost in.
The emotion and adrenaline that Chris Rock felt must have been enormous. For the past year he has had people talking to him about the incident and he was biding his time for this moment. What an incredible amount of pressure- and release.
If Chris had hit back, I think he'd have been criticized for not handling himself more professionally as the host of the show. The Oscar's show are the ones who didn't handle it correctly. But to be fair, who wouldn't ever thought to have a protocol in place for a host being assaulted during a live Oscar's show?
Yes wow wow wow. Nate’s explanation was so simple. It had a logical order. For me, it became easy to see, it’s this one first (entanglements), then this happened (Will hasn’t overcome that entanglement episode in his life) so this happened (Will took it out on Chris with gigormous slap on the - a slap like the mike being slapped down the flor). I believe Will should call Nate and seek advice. Thanks Nate!!
Will Smith doesn't need a lawyer he needs a psychiatrist.
I love how Nate asked you the question that tied up "don't fight in front of ytpeeple" so perfectly.
ytpeople?
@@NicolaMaxwell some algorithms don't like the correct language, so we adapt
@@LawNerdAmber awww I just got what you mean lol it's okay to say white people I just didn't know what you meant😂 I'm 35, old and just found out what gtsy means too🤣🤣🤣
The mic-throw thing is likely an expression of his frustrations, but for context, he's actually done it on virtually all of his specials.
What a fantastic episode! Thanks Spidey, Nate and David! I really enjoyed this and it opened my eyes to a lot.
Really great to see you acknowledging your lack of knowledge in certain areas and inviting experts for it. Spidey, humble and transparent 💯 another great video
Wait, what? How did he pick a fight with Jada at the Oscars ? It was such mild joke, there was no attack on Jada at the Oscars!
Thank you for inviting Nate the Lawyer. Always appreciate when you bring in new perspective from knowledgeable people.
I have a HUGE, HUGE respect for Mr Rock. The Man of new era ❤
Nate the Lawyer was fantastic. We also have to remember some comedians sees/uses their sets as therapy where they convey what they're thinking or feeling in a vary relatable way. It's one of the things that make comedy so hilarious! Relatability! Considering he hadn't said since the slap, Selective Outrage was Chris Rock's theraapy session and we were all here to listen
I love Chris Rock he took Will Smith down with words. Justified and the entire special was hilarious!
I agree!!!Will should not have hit a comic. Chris can use him in every stand up special now.
@@lostphilosophy5617 True.. I would have loved to see him knock him out on the spot, but the "fear" WS will have to live with (besides of his sl*t wife cucking him again) the rest of his life entertains me..
Chris brought himself down many pegs too. He should have never told an appearance joke about controversial hair topic. Shame on him. It was mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake….started by Chris.
@@cecisworld0909 NO - only if he knew, that she had an illness, and didn't just lack both taste and decency, to not f*ck round with her sons friend. Sounds like a reeeal piece of poop to me.
@@cecisworld0909 disagree
He went after many people, it is his job to stir up what happened over the year. And Will Smith and Jada were a topic. Cris Rock is amazing and that he did not fully destroy Will Smith that night with the events of that year. He deserves a medal for taking that punch and not fighting back.
I have great respect for Chris Rock. He handled it like a man and showed great maturity and self control. Sure he uses his talent to vent, but cudos to his way of handling things🎉🎉🎉❤
I have so much respect for Spidey when it comes to addressing culture, issues or behaviors that he is not familiar with. He never assumes or guesses what is happening, he reaches out to others who may be more familiar with it. Love that about him!
Hi Spidey! Thank you so much for inviting Nate to give cultural insights. He expresses things in such a poignant way that I hope I can communicate in one day.
I just want to say something that Nate briefly touched on. I was talking to my sister about this yesterday. Black culture largely includes joking about people. That's why there's shows like "Roast me" on All Def Digital, or how whenever a bunch of black children or comedians get in a room it can turn into a roast really fast. It happens at family reunions, schools, hangout sessions. It's just part of the culture, at least where I'm from. And people don't get hurt about it usually! Because black pain is usually processed through black comedy bc we laugh about the things that hurt to make it hurt less. The GI Jane joke didn't push the envelope for me, as a black woman, and the environment for it made sense, it was time to roast the audience at the Oscars. I understand that it hurt some people, but that was just my perspective of it.
It's a thing of perspective and context, right? I'm from Central Europe and slapping a man in that situation would've been seen around here as well... maybe not appropriate but still understandable or mildly too much, and Chris' joke would have been seen as offensive and asking for trouble. But there are other aspects to it - what's the relationship between Chris Rock and the Smiths, the whole infidelity thing, it's the Oscars, Will Smith on edge and unhinged about something else entirely... Like it's one thing but so many layers to it. I'm honestly surprised this kind of humor is typical for the black community, which due to my geographics I know little to nothing about. It's an important aspect I totally missed!
I challenge you to state another appearance joke made by a host of a nominee’s spouse. I’ll wait. We are not privy to these former friends’ previous interactions. I believe it wasn’t the first time Will asked Chris to lay off his wife. And I totally agree with your explanation about Roast behavior in black culture. Let’s talk about boundaries of said culture; because there are some. And I would argue appearance jokes of a spouse in front of said spouse is one of them. Clearly, Chris stepped across a boundary and got slapped. And I have to point out that the Oscar’s is NOT the place for black roast me sessions. Chris said it best when he said “don’t fight in front if the white people”. It was an inappropriate.
The GI Jane joke wasn't about being black though. It was about her alopecia. So you can't say it didn't push the envelope for you unless you yourself go through something like that. I don't personally think it's appropriate to joke about someone's appearance, especially something that can't be cured or helped. However, like they said in the video, if you don't like a joke you have every right to disagree with it, but to respond with violence is a huge no-no.
@@cecisworld0909 I think your perspective is fair. There's an added cultural element to it that was discussed here, whether it was inappropriate to you even with that cultural element is up to you. I have seen roasts in many environments and the boundaries are different in all of them. Which is why I specified that it didn't push the envelope for me. I also just didn't see the GI Jane joke as insulting, apparently Jada did along with many other people. I can understand why other people have that perspective, I just don't share it.
@@GmmBeast how do you know that the joke was about? Everyone is stating they don’t understand the violence response. And I believe they never will. We called the joking playing the dozens where I’m from. And one unwritten rule is NOT to tell a personal joke about someone’s relative that is present. Jada was present. Another rule is to not tell offensive jokes about a family members appearance that can’t be helped. Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock did a whole movie about black hair and he understood how low his joke was and he also understood that nonblack people would not understand how gutter the joke was. It’s hard to explain but it’s like Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock was calling her a bald headed bitch that needs to be taken down a couple pegs for how she emasculated Will on red table talk and tried to bully him out of an Oscar gig. It’s deep. Another rule of the dozens is you do not play it in front of white peoples. The Oscar’s was not an appropriate venue for such a guttersnipe joke. He started this debauchery. And Will responded, albeit wrongly with violence. It was mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake. That Got/Slapped/Chris started. The irony and selective outrage of it all. OMG
Great analysis as always! When I watched this particular clip (the very ending of the special, him taking in the applause), it looked to me like he might be holding back tears. This had to have been a cathartic moment for him, finally saying what he wanted to say about the incident and (hopefully) moving on with his life and career.
Chris was deeply traumatized by the slap. It hurt him in so many ways unrelated to the actual feel of the contact to his face. I appreciate how you knew that you could never speak fully to the last joke, Spidey. Great to have Nate. It’s sad that a “clean” life was marred by one misplaced slap that was born of so much more than Chris Rock’s words and doesnt really seem to represent previously beloved Will Smith. Will lost so much by this one moment. His life was deliberately lived “clean”. A whole life and 1 minute took so much. The whole thing is so sad. Will and Chris need to get together and go through it all until they get down to the tears and laughs. The kiddos in our fam don’t understand and are missing out watching more of the Will they love since he’s been shamed into hiding and a not angry/ hurt Chris. Thanks also to Mr. Stephens.
Sometimes when I'm about to cry or get emotional I do the lip compression. So it can be not only withheld opinion but also withheld emotion
Ahhhhh great call! ⭐️ 🥇
So true. This is what I felt after the mic throw. I feel like he was trying to control his emotion after he finished.
I also do this when I feel awkward like I am about to cross the street and passing by people. Idk why I even feel awkward walking pass people but I notice this is when I habitually do the lip compression.
Wow there was a cultural response to Will that the rest if us didn't get. thanks Nate the Lawyer. And we all learned a lesson from Rock not just the black community but all of us. What a man Chris Rock is not just what a black man but what a man. Love this interview.
Great content with fabulous guests.
To me it looked like Chris Rock was fighting back tears (relief/emotion) at the end. He did such a great job with this special.
The end of Chris' special I found the eye and body expressions to be more of a "I did it - I said it - I meant it -", but also still watching for an attack from the sidelines. Kind of a reliving of the moments that led him to this moment.
That's even what I thought the asymmetrical mouth meant. I mirrored it and found myself saying, "I've done it, let's see if they tear me to shreds in the next second." Not contempt at all.
Nor did I see the raised arms as grandiose. He waited to see the reaction, then responded to the audience support with "Hallelujah, they got it." That's why Rock mouthed "thank you." He looked grateful, not proud, to me.
I’m only halfway through, I had been planning to watch a couple minutes, finish later, just got home… but I’m hooked, this is great, love the collab/conversation!
I was thinking about the shark thing; maybe often it's said that sharks have dead eyes and that they don't think but that they run on instinct, so when will walked up on stage, Chris noticed that his thoughts turned off, but he was working solely based on behavior that he was conditioned to have or expected or felt entitled to have.
Loved seeing Nate the Lawyer on this channel. Watch you both separately. What a nice, unexpected surprise to see this collab. Appreciate both of your inputs.
I noticed that in your other analysis of this performance that you didn't mention the dramatic last gesture. You have explained why. Thank you.
I've always felt the emotional pain was worse than physical. I was physically assaulted many times as a kid but the worst was how they treated me and talked to and about me.
I completely agree. As an abuse survivor (emotional, psychological and verbal) there were many times I wish he had have hit me instead. Physical heals much faster than verbal and mental and the pain goes away (usually). Verbal and mental cuts to the heart and the damage can last a lifetime.
Such great insight about both the incident at the awards show and the Chris Rock special. I had said this in the last react video, Chris was the better man through it all. His way of fighting back was in his words and I completely resect his reaction. Thank you to both Nate the Lawyer and David Stephens for their input. Also thank you Spidey for putting this together.
Thank you for your videos. I have been learning so much. It has helped so much in my job as a security officer at a behavioral health outpatient clinic. We get a very brief training on behavior and things to watch for but you go into so much more. I can't recommend your channel enough to others. I appreciate you taking the time to do these so very much.
I agree! Also check out the behavior panel. (They're all friends with Spidey) you'll learn SO MUCH about body language and behavior. It helps if life in general so freaking much! I work as a grocery manager and even I literally use it everyday with employees and customers alike!
I just remembered something I wanted to mention... it's petty, and Chris definitely should get away with it: misremembering something on purpose. It shows that person's work is unremarkable (not noteworthy).
Exactly what i was thinking.
Enjoyed this…how much better would our society be if we were capable of this level of critical thinking…and thanks for sharing Nate..I’ve never heard of him..
Love Nate the lawyer! Great idea bringing him, was very helpful understanding the cultural aspect. Spidey I click on your videos soooo fast! You are so impressive!
Everytime I watch these I learn about things I never thought I would care about but you make it so fascinating 🤩
And what most people are missing is why the joke invoked such a violent response in the first place. The discussions are starting In The middle. Not the beginning. The joke was a deeply insensitive insult on black womens hair from a man who did a whole movie called “Good Hair”. He knew what he was doing and he knew the average white person and surface black person would not get the true meaning and intention of the verbal open handed slap he gave Jada. How dare she tell Him to boycott the Oscars when Will wasn’t nominated. How dare she emasculate Will on Red Table Talk and stay with him when his wife divorced him for infidelity and took half his money without telling one joke. He intended to put her Jada in her place. And he did it in front of her husband and found himself at the intersection of f-cked around and found out. Most people who are applauding Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock are missing or ignoring all the signs of inconsistencies of his actions. And the irony of many of his statements and actions. Which he is banking on. Selective outrage, indeed.
Just a quick note on something else I saw (or thought I saw!) on his face at the very end; I did see contempt, anger and pride, his "victor's stance" but I saw some sadness come through too...at a couple of points he looks like he could easily switch to crying to me.
I saw the vulnerability-close to tearing up after the mic slam. Right before the audience began cheering and showing support.
I really want to applaud you Spidey for recognizing a cultural boundary and providing a platform for a colleague who can speak on it. Very classy and inspired
I thought he looked emotional at the end,like he was going to burst into tears.
I thought so too!
I thought so too. He had just laid everything out and stood up for himself. It looked like he was trying to not cry.
I started following Nate after shortly after I subscribed to Andy Signore's channel, Popcorned Planet, where I learned of Nate. I respect Nate a lot because he's open, direct, no BS and always demonstrates courage dealing with issues regardless of the narrative by the masses or mainstream media. He often speaks his own view with no hesitation, and dies so with critical thinking and respect.
I cannot commend Chris enough for his strength n restraint on that day. Kudos to him n his excellent show! Revenge is a dish best served up cold
Revenge is a Rock best served comedically!
Beautiful!! Appreciating Nate’s commentary highlighting the cultural interpretation and differences. I might play devil’s advocate on the wrap-up that even for white folks, the adage is “don’t fight with a crazy person because onlookers can’t tell who is who”. Yet, that cultural insight is perfect, thank you for that. The mic metaphor of slapping back, YAAS. Love it even more now. Conquer-stance - deserved, earned, justice of the best kind.
I have a perspective that was hoping you and David would touch on. That is at the the emotion at the end. Yes "contept" and yes "pride" but I also saw (sadness? Not the right word). Like he was on the verge of tears almost. Like a huge weight had been lifted from his shoulders. Did you see anything like that??
Yep. That’s consistent with the refractory period david mentioned we’re still
Highly agitated and on edge in the refractory period 😊
I loved the discussion here with Nate regarding cultural context, and the reason for Chris Rock's: "Don't fight in front of white people" line. Especially the deep dive into the criticism from some news articles that Chris might have "continued the fight", and was somehow being hypocritical. I think you successfully argued against that assertion. I think it's important to add that Chris's words - comedic or not - are a *reasonable* response to what happened. It is _not_ unreasonable to point out that physical violence is unacceptable, or to explain why turning the other cheek is a useful and admirable tool to use, even when done in a comedic fashion. Those things need to be said and discussed, and good on Chris for saying them publicly.
But Chris didn’t turn the other cheek. The irony of him starting and ending with bullying Jada and Will is baffling.
@@cecisworld0909 The definition of "turning the other cheek" you're using is virtually impossible for anyone to meet. A more reasonable definition includes all the ways Chris could have - but did *not* - try to even the score. Chris did not physically attack Will or Jada. He did not hire or manipulate others into physically hurting them. He did not try to use his power and influence in the industry to hurt Will or Jada's careers. He did not try to ruin their marriage in any of the vindictive ways that were available to him because of what happened.
Instead of any one of a myriad of unreasonably petty and spiteful actions, he chose to turn the moment into a comedy routine, and even used that to add in interesting cultural commentary around perceptions of "Black violence". That is laudable and his response should be celebrated, as it is the very opposite of malice.
Yes, he is angry, but that is not unreasonable, as he was wronged in a very public and humiliating fashion. I feel anger is a very misunderstood emotion, largely because too many people in this modern day and age say it is unacceptable, when it is in fact very natural as long as it can be used and channeled into something productive and mature, as Chris Rock demonstrates here.
@@RoryMitchell00 Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock can NOT have selective outrage for a vial inappropriate joke he told to humiliate Jada during a show broadcasted in 20 different countries. That is all I am saying. Neither can he control the response. And we, the public, can not determine what was an appropriate action because Will, Jada, and Chris/GotBitchSlapped have history that we are not privy to. I believe Oscar night is not the first time Will has told Chris/GotBitchSlapped to lay off his wife. Wrong is wrong. And we can not start in the middle. Start at the beginning which is GotBitchSlapped Chris
@@cecisworld0909 Unfortunately, your overuse of childish and pejorative labels significantly detract from the point I'm guessing you're trying to make in your response. Unfortunately, I can only quote Haidt by saying: "That is a slur - not an argument."
@@RoryMitchell00 Chris/GotBitchSlapped/Rock is getting praise, accolades, and recognition for calling Will A Bitch multiple time during his Netflix special. Why am I not provided the same grace. Selective outrage… indeed.
You're a very gracious and effective interviewer, Spidey. Thank you.
Love this collaboration and I really hope the two of you do more!
Interesting to say that's what a black man would do not an n-word would do. Never thought about it like that, thanks for having Nate's perspective on this.
Considering Chris' past and what Will did to him for Jada.... Chris showed so much grace and maturity.
No grace. Just greed and hurt.
This made me really realize how much he must be using his rational thinking from day to day to have the ability to keep his rational thinking in a fight or flight moment. It has to be so normal to you to think your way through situations when it's still your go-to response under adrenaline and threat. Your neurons need to have some seriously strong connections to override "the reptile brain". The cultural aspect was really valuable information!
Love the cultural perspective and the collaborations! Thank you for the great explanation about the reference to "Suge Smith". Chris is a brilliant comedian. He's a master at words!
Thank you so, so much Spidy for having Nate on your channel! I'm a huge fan of Nate, he is an amazing, honest individual, my full respect!! Love your topics Spidy.
Really liked that Nate provided such great insight into this! However, I do need to bring attention to the fact words do hurt people. Many people who have experienced dv say the words hurt more as bruises go away but the words stay forever in the brain.
Definitely! As a child that was physically and verbally/emotionally abused, the verbal attacks still replays and echoes in my mind. It's my parents words that I'm stupid, can never amount to anything, whenever I'm making decisions that holds me back and tells me I'm not good enough. Whereas my scars on my body have faded away.
Yes I agree. However, words here are used within the media/ entertainment communities. Everyone knows that Rock is a comedian and he is not trying to offend people when he tells his jokes. That’s the price that celebrities have to pay for being the focal point most of the time.
Yes, you do make a good point about those specific situations being harmful. If I may, please allow me to offer a counterpoint though. In the case of verbal abuse within a domestic violence situation, or similarly in the case of unkind words from parents or another loved one, I would argue that it is not the words themselves that hurt, but the _withdrawal of love and support_ that is demonstrated by those words that causes so much damage to a person. If the exact same words said by a stranger have less - or no - impact on an individual, then it is the context that is important, and the argument that "words don't hurt" is still technically a strong position to take when judging personal interactions.
Who's to say which is worse ? They are equally bad. A parent verbally abusing a child scars a child in a way they may never resolve. The child may question this their whole life " was it really so bad ?" Being physically abused by a spouse is so obviously wrong, yes. But i disagree that once the scars heal, its over. The body records the pain. Physical abuse stays with you, it gets buried deep, I know this first hand.
I agree about the dv impact,
but
-a comedian performing is not a parent talking to a child
-I experienced dv in my childhood, so I don't want to sound unsensitive, but as an adult I can choose which kind of comedy attend, so if some kind of humour hurts I don't go to the show, or I don't watch the video: I know it's not personal, I know that's a trigger for me, I can't appreciate but it's not 'wrong' or 'bad' by itself -it's simply not my cup of tea.