Here is some discussion between Alan Watts and Laura Archera Huxley. Laura give an important message to Allan Watts and to all others false enlightened jokes.
Your interpretation of this conversation is horrific. It would have been much better without your projections onto an honest and interesting conversation.
Unfortunately those people ( thinkers, gurus and their fallowers ) are horrific. I am sorry. They are full of resistance and they are subtle and canny in their way of expression.
@arjuna chill bro... Why does anyones opinion is bothering you... You do what you want to do... But this conversation was actually great had you not projected your own interpretations...
I’ve listen to Alan Watts for years and Krishnamurti for over 6 months now. I’ve concluded they are both special and their messages are phenomenal. However, I believe Krishnamurti’s message is more in depth or detailed logically. His take on thought and the psychology of the brain is a bit easier to grasp. Not to pin them against one another because I’ve benefited from both men, but Krishnamurti’s message is clearer and easier to put into action, for lack of a better word.
Krishnamurti was a teacher although "no ones teacher" were Watts is more of an Historian of sorts but i dont doubt both were enlightened and again with different purposes not on purpose. Not everyone have to teach it and it can still be helpful. Edit: I think to reduce Alan to a mere historian doesn't do him all the justice I do think he can also be a teacher it all really comes down to what the seeker can understand among all of the people that talk about this "subject". I found krishnamurtis teaching a bit more direct and it could be that it was his sole purpose to "teach", not on purpose, whereas Watts do talk about it but also describes everything around it go into different ways and all that stuff not necesarily trying hard for the listener to awake to anything nonetheless awakening might happend under different circumstances and approaches. Now to compare and say one is better or worse I think misses the point.
OMG mate... how I wish your account is active and you would reply to this humble query of mine... if it's so clear to you, can you please explain it to me once? Specifically what I am asking is : "The action of total inaction", "Being choicelessly aware", "true profound psychological change happens instantly, it can't be cultivated over a period of time" & "observer is the same as the thing that is being observed -> whereupon he says that if I am greedy, I can't separate myself from my greed & therefore I am that greed and thinking I can become less greedy is futile" ->>>> I am having mental issues because of these lessons/guidelines (not calling them teaching because he himself averted this idea) and I would very much like for someone to help me navigate through these tough waters. When I say mental issues, it's like these unresolved problems are always ever present in my brain. Like daemons always silently running, eating some energy, consuming my thoughts and so on. I don't get troubled by them but I always remember randomly and I am like wtf bro.... I need to understand these because this is where my journey of finding out why we don't do what we know we ought to do has been stuck for like quite some time. After reading JK, I didn't found the answers I sought but somehow the quench for the damn answers came to a halt or something. Because while I am not able to comprehend them to the depths of my faculties, I think/feel/believe that these ideas are something too incredible and extraordinary that my mere mortal brain cannot grasp them. But since they are so extraordinary, I feel like I need to grasp them asap. Someone please help me.
@@abhinavjain4612 Greed comes from a hunger instinct helping you, through compensation, to cope with a conflict in your understanding. With greater wisdom you will see that spiritual engagement with others is really only ever productive when it occurs intuitively. We always act & say the correct thing in a crisis & so don't worry - the biggest crisis in history is about to hit. We always think tragedy makes such a great story, but we can't see beyond it - yet! P.S I'm not very enlightened so I may be talking deluded nonsense...
The title of this video is incorrect. I enjoyed the conversation but due to an incorrect title I feel it only fair to thumbs down. I did enjoy this conversation though first time to find this one.
@@anubbhandari582 and that is the whole point we are looking at the conversation not the presentation and communication of agendas and ideas that the uploader is trying to make the conversation has insight which is useful both from huxley and alan Watts... As we only looking that we derive that the presentation and the title was absolutely nonsensical.....
I deeply love Alan Watts and Krisnamurti. None of them are perfect, both are a beautiful expression of what is a human being. So much admiration and respect for their work.
@@KillaD55 You know nothing my brother, he is even able to show you what is perfection. To live true beauty and love, intelligence, is the most great treasure in this life.
@@Oppositethink I understand your fight, even though, to me, there are better way to do it. I think writing «perfect human being» is by nature, wrong, impossible. There is no need nor law for perfection here. Although, being perfectly oneself is the idea here. And this is what I think JK is, he is perfectly himself. If he was perfect, everybody should be like him, and the world would lose its taste. Perfection is not for this world, so far. You can see the level of awareness/wisdom/enlightenment of someone by how true to himself he his. But then, at this point comparing people is pointless. A big fire doesn't compare itself to a small candle, light is beyond that. Because there is no center, there are no different light, just different means of express it. Even if there is «no center», and because everything is double, you have to reach yours in order to go beyond... You cannot go beyond yourself, your center, if you don't reach it, if you're not working on being merely, purely and simply yourself.
@@marceau937 Ofcourse there is a possibility to be perfect, which means whitout ego full of beauty and love. Beauty in sentances and apparances and how one walks talks etc. Someone really true is beautyfull, so perfect. You must read Jk to understand what I mean by perfect human being and to see maybe thaty this is possible :)
Alan watts is an excellent teacher. Krishnamurti however in all honesty is a prophet. You either get him or you don't and that ultimately depends on you.
What hypocrisy? I see none at all. Alan Watts did not describe himself as enlightened, any more than K. did. There is no separate self to be enlightened after all. Watts was a theorist perhaps, who spoke mainly from an intellectual understanding rather than the direct perception of K. but that doesn't mean that Watts was some sort of fraud as this video lamely tries to prove. Watts admired K. and the two met at least once. The main difference between Watts and K. was that Watts insisted that we acknowledge the shadow side of life whilst K. insisted that we refuse to register it in favour of the good. K. claimed that mankind had made a wrong turning 5000 years ago (suspiciously coinciding with the start of the Kali Yuga era in Hindu chronology) and that this could be reversed through education. 50 years of Krishnamurti education at Brockwood Park and elsewhere have proven this to be false. Watts pointed out that the play of good and evil are necessary to the great game of Creation and that in the known there is no up without down and no light without dark. K. lived in the "en" part of panentheism the Good that knows no opposite, which made him fairly hopeless at dealing with the reality of life in the world of opposites where most of us reside. That is why so many people find K. hard to understand. Watts is easy to understand and his observations are invaluable as a more grounded and realistic version of what K. was saying. Where K. was weak Watts was strong and vice versa, making them a perfect complement to one another. Don't bash Alan Watts, don't compare, just listen to him and just listen to K. too.
The tragedy with K is not that what he says is difficult to understand, clarity is in every talk he gives. The big tragedy is there was no one who truly study his teachings. I think watts and others has done a little bit, they got some little light and made their own legacy of interpreters. But if one really study and try to understand, there is a discovery in what's K says. I personally seen and discovered in life everything he said. In a mind where there is peace, there is creativity, beauty, one's doesn't need a thing to be a real human being whitout division, there is some talents and gifts which appears also, probably latent in every human being. And it's all really simple, I said that the perception of division, the understanding of it is intelligence. And he rarely if never talked about what's beyond, he surely gived us opportunity to see, discover by ourselves the thing beyond time. The people who heard him was impressed by his approach. Try to find their way to explain it, desired the succes by claiming this as they own discovery , but they only occulted the simple explanation of K. And as their was occupied by their interpretation to have glory, they never got insight. They talk about it and make link and become interpreters. But the flame of intelligence is not there. Their spotlight obscured the sun ray's. K has brought crucial understanding about human psyche. And all those people obscure it, obscure the only thing which can set humanity free of its own stupidity.
@@Oppositethink Alan Watts was not an interpreter of K. of any scale if at all. In fact he hardly ever mentioned K. Watts' teaching was an amalgam of mainly zen, vedanta and taoism, brought alive by his own unique insights. He was a voice in his own right. If K. had regarded him as an interpreter he would not have agreed to meet him. Watts occasionally referred to K's teachings as a reference point for his own insights but that is very far removed from being interpretation. What K. was talking about has to be come across for oneself and cannot be taught. By teaching it becomes the known and is claimed by the separate self as all else is. The insight that arises from listening to K. is temporary and does not end thought and the censor. That is the irony and the tragedy of K., though it was not his fault. K. said that it was better to have an intellectual understanding of his teachings than none at all. I'm not sure that he was right in saying that; a truly open and empty mind that is eager to discover by looking is incomparably more valuable.
@@biffin62 it's what I am talking about. They dint really mentioned K whitout saying he is difficult to understand. But what I am saying is they interpret ancient scriptures and religion from the little understanding they got from K. When you understand time, thought and pleasure, all ancient scriptures ares open to you. It's easy to become an Alan what's, ancient scriptures interpreter . But can you become a healthy human being, psychologically. Can you express life as it is? But being amaza by the interpreters, who even hide the source of their inspiration to continue to impress you, probably afraid to lose their admirability.
@@Oppositethink Nonesense. Watts didn't interpret zen, taoism and vedanta from insights he got from K. That's absurd. His insights were his own and in some ways very different from K.'s. Heidegger's philosophy resembles K.'s teachings in many ways but do you think Heidegger was using K. to produce philosophy? They all came across the same thing in common to a greater or lesser degrees and expressed it in different ways. None of them were interpreters of K. The reason people listen to K., or to Watts or Heidegger is that we all recognize truth when we hear it in the present moment. That is the acid test. Life is not waiting for us and neither is it any more in front of us that it is us; you are Life and it exists necessarily now, upstream of time and thought. There are interpreters of K. like Ekhart Tolle or U.G. Krishnamurti but when one listens to them it is hollow and secondhand, lifeless. I fear you are putting all your energy into comparing K. with others and then detracting from the others instead of listening with an open heart and mind.
J K is exceptional and amazing. Alan watts surely understood most of what he said, please don't interpret without knowing J K. Listen to his conversation with Allan Andersson in full and you will see him.
Sory for this, there is a lot of thinkers today who dont give Krishnamurti the respect he deserve. They disregard him and criticise anyway and I dont understand why. Even when they say someting positive, is false and occult the real K
@@Oppositethink Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I personally am a huge fan of JK's teachings, and also Watts to some degree, and I didn't really want to be primed into thinking in a certain way about either of them.
@@Karthik-yy6up If you understood K, he has no way of thinking, he is the only one who gived an exacte explanation of the nature of thought and conciousness in the most serious and factual way
My dear friend, don't let this upset you. The result of which you made this reactive video. First I did not see Alan Watts disrespectful in any way to J. Krishnamurti. Second, you don't bring up the value of Krishnamurti by belittling other speakers who shared their perception of truth with legitimate and pure honesty. Afterall, Krishnamurti himself would not have required this. very much because you cannot add nor take away from the value of him who is genuine.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu You didn't get him. There is no hero. He pointed out: anyone whom try to devalue k , is a fearful man whom look after results and conclusions. Thai is all.
I listened because the accusation toward AW was the Only thing like that I’d ever heard or seen anyone ever say when regarding him. And after listening to this, I can only guess that you may have only heard what you wanted to. And so that would imply that you may have had your own notions regarding AW previous to this. But you must remember something that has been agreed upon by most every philosopher, yogi, or guru or anyone attempting to pierce through the complexities of life and existence; “that we must Let Go of our preconceived notions about things before we can begin to understand them.” Consider the fact that everything can be viewed from multiple perspectives. You viewed this piece from only one perspective. And only you can navigate through how and why that is.
Friend, just please listen carefully what he says, with all your being listen, see between the lines, not what you want to hear but actually hear. I know it's difficult but only in this observation one can see what is.
@@Oppositethink You're just regurgitating what K said over and over like a broken record. Even the way in which you write. But do you actually understand what was being said or are you just as conceited as Jiddu? Who, by the way wasn't a "perfect human being" that you make him out to be, he was having a sexual affair with a married woman for 25 years while telling others that sex is "silly and childish". He was fondling women's breats while allegedly having seizures. You can read up on this if you just search for it on Google but I bet you won't because you're scared to find out he wasn't "perfect". :)
One can enjoy many speakers. Agree with them. Even make some changes in one's life. They are very helpful up to a certain point. But... there's only one speaker, who won't help you at all, nor teach you anything. Nothing necessary to remember. No practice. People may say it is difficult to understand, what the speaker is saying. They are interpreting, comparing, looking for examples, discussing every single word. Doing all kind of stuff, but no listening. After one is capable, to drop all filters, prejudices, opinions, and say - i don't know. Then the listening begins. To understand the speaker, is to understand one's self. The speaker is able to transform man into one self's own teacher. So the disciple, and the teacher are as one. Then, there is no need to understand anyone. No agreements, or disagreements. Acting, with no need to choose. Difficulties are gone.
mbomam89 And if you learn enough about JKrishna and Watts this what they said. Esp JK who in many talks and interviews said dont believe me question for it yourself and also said I don’t know. He also disolved the for profit org built around him and started nonprofits. Neither man claimed to be perfect or devoid of ego. If there is evidence of this then cite it. They were human and used their platform to share their views. Others followed by choice. JK himself admitted this many times. They could’ve sat in a room alone with a recorder and still others would’ve listened and followed. Emojis and annotating doesn’t prove a point but we’re all entitled to our views.
This is true my dear every word of yours as one realizes "I don't know" As it dawns, as it becomes clear, like after the darkness of a dark night sun rises and it's day where one suddenly see what is , clearly, and don't need anymore any artificial light , so the mind become silent feel like a candle in the presence of sun, ah and one really feel hey "I don't know really I don't know" It seems it's freedom I don't know how to express it any other way, it's freedom.
Not freedom. It's just another form of bondage to the known, which is the world we are each, independently/collectively, living in at this exact moment in time. Our dialogical understanding of that world is itself bondage to imagination where somehow solving the crossword puzzle of oneself (through books, talks, or some form of reflective practice) is the mechanism for solving, or (if not feasible) letting go of any responsibility to the violent and fractured state of our world. Poetic metaphors have become a trap to anything other than making up more poetic metaphors along the way. And yes, there is a way that requires tremendous vitality, curiosity, co-creativity and sustained durability whereby self and world (of human engagement) simultaneously transform. It doesn't exist in lecture halls on yoga mats or zafus or in these comments on RUclips. Given that we are all the products of historical redundancies, it doesn't exist at all other than through its antithesis, as the world militaries and their mindless training in the act of war. We all, without exception, live through greed/compassion under that mushroom cloud.
@FlyingIntoAStar if transformation is beyond time, how can one go through suffering as if to obtain something after, then it isnt about suffering at all is it? Suffering is just another movement. All movement is a trap.
FlyingIntoAStar no its not difficult to understand K. You don't need to go through suffering to understand K. You better understand yourself before you go thorough any difficult moment of life. If not your little self will be in disaster ;)
@FlyingIntoAStar @FlyingIntoAStar This idea of "passing through suffering" to get some deep understanding or ilumination is what religions have preached about, so, not J.K. YOU came up with this right now silly boy.
@FlyingIntoAStar Of course not for fun, or neighder for finfd solution to my suffering, which are two mouvement of desire. I listen K because he says truth, talk about life as it is, clearly. I am interested to understand him as I think understanding oneself it's the futur hype ;)
I listened to this with a big smile with a warm heart because there is so much love in both their voices and words. They were very attentive and present in this talk, and their love for Krishnamurti was so intense.
this woman Laura Archera Huxley is twisted ,badly . krishnamurti never had a philosophy ! only a very sharp mind. and he was a man . a human being. loosing temper sometimes is healthy .natural .this doesnt mean one is not centered . krishnamurti was talking for hours with masses of low consciousness . it's not easy . he repetead same things every time the crowd said didnt understood the speech ...tough path
I've listened to many recordings of J.K. Perhaps one or twice I saw a person trying to enquire in themselves what he was saying. Most of the time people did little or no enquiry. They just asked questions that didn't make sense. It is difficult to listen to J.K. Not because what he says is intellectual. It's because he asks about things we forgot existed. It came to me once why it's so hard to undestand. How can you explain someone what love is when he knows nothing of it. One needs to open oneself to the unknown. How can you seek the unknown when curiosity is condemned in Christianity and other religions impose prophet's words on you. I'm discontent with J.K. and everything our civilisation teaches. I saw what I've become and I want to cry.
They did not understand the concept of time regarding the psyche. It is necessary to realise that there is no purpose to achive. If you postpone the realization of yourself (you are lost), then you are caught in the limits of time which is a material process; and you divide your being. Time is necessary to learn; to built something, for the progress of technology. Psyche did not progress in time. The being of the world/life/nature is timeless: no beginning, no ending. If you got out of the paths of time, you enter in another dimension, the actual reality. Therefore there is no center to reach. To do so you must observe the structure of fear in its roots. It is one thing with our civilization. We are conditioned since our childhood to be afraid: afraid of the future, fear of being alone, afraid of the judgements, fear of nature, animals, viruses, earthquakes, fear of not being fulfilled and so on. This is up to you and nobody can help you.
Krishnamurti fanboys are hilarious and miss no chance to spit horse manure wherever they can. You guys have failed K and haven't absorbed any of his teachings surely. You guys show characteristics exactly what K denied.
I truly appreciate the recording. But I do not appreciate the third grader comments. These were both intellectual giants. I saw nothing that warranted the criticism of Watt's here.
This conversation is between Aldous Huxley’s second wife Laura and Alan Watts, both of whom were acquainted with Jiddu Krishnamurti. They were friends and respected one another. (Laura Huxley and Alan Watts)
Krishnamurti didn’t cultivate friends in the way that it is generally regarded, he engaged in discussions, dialogues with a wide variety of people from diverse backgrounds, mostly to expand the understanding of the topics of inquiry so that the subject matters were covered as completely as possible. There wasn’t any written statements or fore planned agenda for the talks, although he presented what he spoke about with clarity and underlying logic that became self evident when the whole content was taken into consideration. It seems that the uniqueness of whatever he said or wrote stood completely on itself and therefore the facts didn’t need to be referred to others for verification according to any authority whatsoever. However, challenges were faced directly with no actual deviation from the position that he espoused. In all the recorded material that I have heard or watched he never needed to second guess the substance of what was put forward, quite remarkable and incomparable. Intelligence doesn’t require friends, take it or leave it, that’s all.
@@grahaminglis4242 Wow, thx friend fo your comment, Glad to see some people look at those things with diligence. Share your insigh's here, I created a facebook page: facebook.com/groups/669936193576810
I didn't know that Alan Watts actually haven't understood the Krishnamurti's sense of humor by his comments 5:05 on the other hand I found a lot of humor in his talks if you follow and understand the bits of it are infused with what we call humor and irony... in one of JK talks he was welcomed with applause by the crowed and when they stoped first thing he said was: "Did you ever tried to applaud with one hand? Please do that from now on." :D people don't need to be "goofy" to be funny, it is about the understanding which makes it funny... but most of us don't kind of get these simplest things
People with psychological issues or brain damage can’t get irony and sarcasm. All those spiritual fox are suffering from deep psychological problems it’s why they never get jk
JK (I love him deeply) was very serious in all his talks, he did not welcome applauses nor talking in a light manner. He very rarely used jokes in his discussions. There are plenty of teachers that use much more humor like Eckhart, Osho, Mooji, Papaji etc. but JK is not one of them. He required from the audience to be very serious and attentive and not pollute/distort their attention with anything else. The fact is that every teacher has his own ways to pass his state and understanding of the world, some use laughter other like JK require most serious attention in order to investigate along with him.
@@fanypeneva5370 the people you cite can’t be even a school educator. Please don’t call them teacher cause they are not. And K is hilarious in each of his talk, understanding oneself is pure joy. You just never watched an entire dialogue or discussion of k. I watch them almost all and can tell you he crack the jokes that none of those people with their cringe talks can make. There is so many people who think like you instead of assuming that they have no idea about what K talks or his jokes they come and share their opinions as it has some factual basis, they come to “share” what is K or not. K is the only teacher since longtime there hasn’t been one. What he says is of crucial importance to understand for all of us. You’re blind.
@@Oppositethink I see that you are all about JK thats fine, but dont try to impose your opinion on others. The fact that you see the truth only in his words should be a warning for your objectivity and tolerance of the different ways of transmitting the same basic truth. I am totally free to express my opinion, and you should accept it as is or not its not my problem, its yours. You are the one that has a fixation over one teacher and fights against all the others. I dont have a problem with this. Not sure what benefits you are the one creating conflict, I am simply sharing my experience without any prejudice.
@@fanypeneva5370 different ways to transmitting same basic truth ? If it’s so simple basic truth why you’re jumping around teachers ? Why need teachers if it’s basic simple ? Why need someone to tell it to you? Haha god sake. Yeah dude as you say your opinions I say mine, it’s how your brain can go so far. And I say t again. People you say are teachers are scams.
Krishnamurti is the most original thinker until today since ever. When he says one of the most original thinkers, he just want to include himself. But those people are all but not original ;) @@divyanshsh
The definition of ypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.
Not sure these two have understood Krishnamurti. There is no philosophy or religion or politic that is true. I find it odd that Buddhists didn't recognise him for what he was but instead pin a label on him. When you follow, its a step up from being the slave , to a spiritual master ''up there'' that you wish to reach. And which cannot be reached in time. Follow nobody and no system.
I don't see substance in the video poster's interpretation. I don't see the supposed hypocrisy They Watts and Krishna both respected each other. Anyway, thanks for sharing the recording
@4:55 Watts claims that Krishnamurti's "hedonistic" side does not come out in his talks, but Krishnamurti does talk about wearing nice clothes, eating nice food and having sex in his talks. He was rather critical of the extremely limited lifestyle of monks.
Great conversation... Silly and childish title... Only someone who is a fanboy or a hater would do this... Again great conversation. Both were great men... To find a conflict where there is none is just silly... Hope you are making j krishna proud by doing what he absolutely and categorically asked not to...😅
You're such an innocent baby. You can't even be aware of the hypocrisies of someone. The lack of understanding brings such superficial people as you who think who knows. Who think who knows what Jk wanted, and I am even sure you know Jiddu Krishnamurti from others person rather than your own studying of the man.
@@raghvendranegi4arun I dont know. I don't care. I hate what is false. If Jk was said something wrong and misleading, you will find it here. But he is not. He has worked for humanity and has shared his insight with all without asking anything in return. You can if you want to go far more beyond Allan Watts or any others self-proclaimed spiritual bullshitter by reading K. You can be a real human being and attain what all religions and philosophies have tried to bring in man by studying seriously K. But you can't come to bliss by studying or fallowing those false gurus. But you seem already blind so I wonder to whom I am talking about all this ;) Probably a Jerk beyond Jerks.
@@Oppositethink hahahhaha... I pity you ... I guess you have been enlightened ...and have realised that the observer is observed... Although the way you talk... I highly doubt if you even have basic courtesy...🤣🤣🤣
@@Oppositethink and actually i think now that i have heard you ...you were the kind of follower that might have forced j k to never have followers... Being so in love with the master that you would rather do things that he himself was against... Thn to actually understand his philosophy
Thanks for the upload. I carefully followed what JK had to say. I understood him very well. In the end, we see he's just a human being and there's certainly room for criticism.
Definitely just a human as you and me. That's why it's so amazing, not only he is an exemple of intelligence and beauty, he gives understanding to reach profound intelligence. So we can become normal healthy human beings as he was
I think what Kristnamurti means is that he has no intention of helping anyone. He does it because he enjoys it would be my guess. He likes talking out to people and inquiry with them. Why wouldnt be as simple as this. Being simple is key. If he wants to fix people it turns out into control.
If you have listened to Alan Watts speeches, there are plenty, you will be amazed at his vast knowledge, deep understanding and mastery of language, incredible. Anyway I wouldn't compare K with Alan, there is no need. Although I wish they had met at least once. If you have some glimpse of understanding of K, I am sure you would greatly appreciate Alan.
@@sadiq0 Then they must have met later. There's a picture of them both and Alan's wife from 1969. They seem to enjoy themselves. I'm sure you can find it by doing an image search.
"he doesn't give any way to get there... this is how the lady starts to the conversation. Isn't it very normal that JK dislikes this lazy, addicted-like attitude? He calls people to discover themselves. And he provides every single instrument for this discovery process. But human brain is looking for a jesus-like external saviour and expects him to take her their lazy ass out from their miserable lives. I have also listened to the other videos of AW, he always have an urge to critisize JK which is a big lack of wisdom and respect. Becaue the day he feel and accept Kriahnaji, he will have to admit the nonsense of all his Buddhist, Chinese, Japanese teachings which he set his life on to. By criticizing JK, he psychologically strengthens his "far-east-philosopher" ego, personality...
kirshnamurti scares me man. he makes me think about billions of people who don't understand themself. not saying i do lol. but i listen to this talk and i can't ponder the freedom he must experience. so intensely free that its scary
This is a good motive of sharing this video , but takes a wrong turn when one starts to judge what one is talking about Another Infact I found this very beautiful piece of conversation very thoughtful and brings me a great admiration about AW, but felt sad when being sarcastic at 7:33 with the emoticons and comments posted over the dialogue demeans the entire purpose of sharing such a beautiful dialogue In one line- if we don't like it let's not get into it and demean each other Let's learn and not demean each other
Fascinating talk. The person who spent three days with him in India is I think Aldous Huxley. Wish she had named the mystic with whom they had their sojourn.
No I believe he meant exactly that he don't do it on purpose. A good man helps people because he is asked for and he must do it. A man that still has ego helps people because he wants to help them.
Awful screen prompts, very childish indeed. When one shatters anothers perspective reality, even unintentionally, it only proves that suffering is an existence of attachment. Remember however that claiming or 'being' *detached* is also a way of being attached in an anti sort of way because it is the ego holding the reigns so to speak. Like when two people are believing in god and not believing in god, arguing, when in reality it doesnt change a thing. It really only makes things more and more difficult because if a way of thinking is getting deeper in the mess and is already deeply ingrained and is treated as something holy or personal beyond all reckoning then the more difficult it can be for the other to understand or when to acknowledge who is actually pointing them towards liberation, going beyond their 'grasping understanding', which let me remind you is the same thing. You will be only making things harder unintentionally and regrettably; and yet even further ones ego can deny the reality of a situation only then to come to an end anyway or to grow and revolutionise ones thoughts: Albeit painfully. As Alan Watts would say if youre trying to 'elevate' your own consciousness then youre only "Trying to lift yourself with YOUR own bootstraps" It wont get you anywhere. You need the other just as much as the self and they are one yet are not attached to there differences, bees need flowers just as much as flowers need bees. Both are very different from eachother yet they go together synergistcally and yet they never deny there existences or argue about there beliefs or ideas or blah blah... etc because what would be the use? It only prevents the way from actually happening; they just compliment eachother to the betterment of life and goodness without a single thought. The idea of the self is an ego game. That is the human trap. If You consider your actions youre only making things dangerous. 'The ego or the self is the one to do the action?', this is the contemplation of action which is another path altogether as of course there are many. The way of cultivation of virtue is in itself abundantly clear and yet to grasp it you then have a loss of virtue and you only obscure it, so, when you reconcile these thoughts it brings within you to the state of non-doing, the way, the considered highest state of self fruition. It would seem that when an action has no thought it was absolutely obvious and essential in what it had to do next. The hells of life exist just as much and just as low as the heavens of desire and vice versa. Yet both cloud the mind when thought between the two, what is the use; it is what is considered the use of the mind through an idea called "Purposeful Generation" generating the what ifs and what isnts. What could be's and could be not's when in life they are all just as bad as all of the stories and situations that ever happened or were created and to be thought of ever. Yet the reality is in front of you. Act on life, not death. Only when you realise this will you really get anywhere and with it, it will lift you. To stick yourself to one side and to adamantely believe it is the only way, the only reality, is blatant attachment and therefore suffering insues even to the one who is unaware beyond themselves because it is not the human conscious that is or can be evil. Can a newborn baby be evil to another? It is the denial of the real which causes great misery and to perverse the way of nature, to prevent reality from happening, smothering and destroying the natural balance it will only come back twice as bad because evil can not exist where goodness belongs. So, to stir the human mentality, or in another way, to acknowledge indifference and deny relation is to only bring shortcomings and to greaten artificiality, cause mental poverty which will in turn weaken the light of goodness. My English has never been great but I do hope this gives a little flavour of shape in your life.
Every teacher will dissapoint you one day. Then his/her work is done. I cannot live from someone elses wisdom. There comes a time I have to let go and find my own. Clinging onto someones wisdom is useless. We should go to them only for advise, how to overcome our own ignorance. As Nisargadata said. "A teaching should be understood, used and given up." No one should be compared. No one should be shamed. No one should be worshipped.
Only fools give advice. See for yourself and action becomes effortless. The question of "how" is trickery born from the lack of true passion and energy. When in extreme crisis where everything breaks down all beliefs, perspectives and dogmas and there is enormous energy there is never a "how"
@@fzuzka advice is when you persuade. "Do this please.... for it will do you better good", to bait using all things imaginable. Pointing out facts is not advice.
Spiritual ambition is necessary to end the division between the observer and the observed. Training attention is the skill. I'll say I came to it for real, and it was incredibly terrifying.
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw fair point. The ending of the observer is death. I trained ruthlessly from age 13 through 24 when this death pounced,, hanging out my laundry while observing the cloulds. Terrifying
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw I agree with everything you write. The practice undertaken was a collusion of events, starting with my father announcing life exeptancy of 38 due to my birth circumstance. A year past and JK notebook was given to me. Naively I decided to cheat death by ending the 'self'. It's rather sad actually as i didn't mature this 'self'. I'm 57 now. K is dangerous, yet effective on a shallow level. Most really don't know what the fuck was really going on with him. If I had the chance to converse I would have been very angry with him.
I will offer you this exercise. Plan a morning for yourself with nothing to do sit calmly and brainwash yourself, that there is nothing of Purpose for yourself to do that this morning this self doesn't need to achieve anything if you have brainwashed yourself then go outside for a walk.
You should just see what the "thinkers of last century" think about Jk, just listen carefully and see how they try to occult him. It's totaly ridiculus to try to hide Krishnamurti. Cause if you listen and understand him you become 10 times allan watts
@@Oppositethink Most of the people can't understand " new " or " truth " because to understand K we have to always keep in mind he is talking about " mind " and not physical world most of the time and other is that we have to look at it and see ourselves dissolving because everything uncover itself as means to keep ourselves " ego " standing there which doesn't exist really,. he is for doers and not for timepass or gossipers .
Of course Krishnamurti said "no center". How can emptiness have a center? “God is a circle whose center is everywhere and circumference nowhere.” Voltaire.
Cuando alguien trata de desacreditar personas concretas como a “K”, revela inexorablemente la presencia y floración del ego en su máxima esencia. Alan Watts, habla de la disolución del ego, pero lo único que hizo fue vivir en la ilusión de que lo ha conseguido....igual que todos los demás “maestros “. El único conocido que ha llegado a “eso” en nuestros tiempos contemporáneos fue, sin lugar a dudas, krishnmamurti, lo que le valió ser el blanco de cualquier acusación, por mínima que sea, por parte de aquellos falsos maestros.
Translation of themessage of our friend here who says truely truth. "When someone tries to discredit specific people like "K", inexorably reveals the presence and flowering of the ego in its maximum essence. Alan Watts talks about the dissolution of the ego, but the only thing he did was live under the illusion that he did it ... just like all the other "teachers". The only knowledge that has arrived at "this" in our contemporary era was, without a doubt, krishnmamurti, which has brought him to the point of any accusation, however small, by these false teachers."
Sim. Disseste a verdade desse fato. K...indubitavelmente é magnífico ser humano. Raríssimo hoje. Naturalmente temos outros mestres que não aparecem devido ao trabalho mais " silencioso "
Everything "done" after truly knowing somthing.... is right, whether the "religions" or "traditions" or "society" deems it right or wrong. It will always be non-violent. Because now he is not under compulsion from Nature or Society. (FREEDOM) So...does a Bodhi (one who understands) eat fish? Maybe. Maybe not. Does he bow down? Maybe. Maybe not. Anything is possible. Now he is under no compulsion.
in 5:00 Allan says why nice days of personal life of K doesn't come into his talks. Which is nonsense cause why he would talk about the cake he eat yesterday in an educational talk? And after this he says "he got no humor." But people please, if you watched K talks you will see his subtle humor coming out as Laura precise. He is quite funny. So you can see the begging of Allan resistance against Laura question from 5:00. Laura show in this conversation great humility and great intelligence. Such a beautiful person.
A man with a non judgemental mind, doesn't need a good cook. He also doesn't need to give the impression that he has overcome (or even diminished) the sensual state of being, i.e. the "hedonist" in him. That's why the cake K. ate yesterday could as well interest the audience.
Arjuna about humor, those close to him talk of his great laugh. And he loved to tell jokes, e.g. “Joseph is putting the baby Jesus into his crib, and when he raises up, he hits his head on a low beam and exclaims, in pain, “Jesus Christ!!!” Then says, “Good name.”
@@kdubs9111 Own methapors???? WThell you're talking about? You're so narcicistic that you can't accept that you talk from ignorance that you dont know Alan or K enough to talk?
Woman always talks with a individual purpose, they don't talk to expand. Ego in woman is disguise as reason and facts. I think neither in the conversation really try to appreciate Krishnamurti perception or his intentions. One thing Krishnamurti never did was to talk about other people, he talked about professions or religions, never about someone, and that tells you a lot. The appreciation of themselves without exposing a base in which they can lay on is immature, point out things with a self loading feeling of rightness gives and shows nothing.
@@copyninja8756 No he wasnt. He avoided it. Osho spoke about jiddu and even talked about that the reason for his failure is because he avoided the mystic path.
@@Gaurav.P0 I mean idk but I know JK wasn't a mystic. JK has even said himself, " I am not a mystic." Wouldn't call him a failure tho but I mean it feels like we have to head somewhere and he failed to achieve that somewhere
@@Gaurav.P0 JK himself said he is not mystic. He did not take a mystical path. Thats what we're are talking about so stay on subject. He's not a mystic
Interesting Dialog, to have an insight into this two men. But the vid must be in a more original form on youtube. And not with that strange title. But if there is place for something like this on youtube, then there must be space to for this comment. I blog under the Name Chili Prepper too about Krishnamurti, check it out on the website medium. have fun
for you to have any valid opinion on the matter you will need to have read at least 1 of Alan Watts books cover to cover. By this video you have made I will assume that you have not.
You didn't get it brother at all. You need to really Listen , I actually enjoyed it thanks for the video though you uploaded it for all the wrong reasons. 👍
Misses the point of what Einstein? You think you do some philosophies or something? Just listen and understand what he is saying it's obvious. But you seems to understand nothing so you play the "you miss the point if you critic blablabla" a great answer of someone nicely disconnected from reality
Your interpretation of this conversation is horrific. It would have been much better without your projections onto an honest and interesting conversation.
Unfortunately those people ( thinkers, gurus and their fallowers ) are horrific. I am sorry. They are full of resistance and they are subtle and canny in their way of expression.
@@Oppositethink ughhhhghhghghhghghghggghhhgh???
I’m glad this is the top comment. Arbory you couldn’t have been more accurate in your statement.
@arjuna chill bro... Why does anyones opinion is bothering you... You do what you want to do... But this conversation was actually great had you not projected your own interpretations...
Lol the uploader is a bit too much in love with Jiddu.
I’ve listen to Alan Watts for years and Krishnamurti for over 6 months now. I’ve concluded they are both special and their messages are phenomenal. However, I believe Krishnamurti’s message is more in depth or detailed logically. His take on thought and the psychology of the brain is a bit easier to grasp. Not to pin them against one another because I’ve benefited from both men, but Krishnamurti’s message is clearer and easier to put into action, for lack of a better word.
Krishnamurti was a teacher although "no ones teacher" were Watts is more of an Historian of sorts but i dont doubt both were enlightened and again with different purposes not on purpose. Not everyone have to teach it and it can still be helpful.
Edit: I think to reduce Alan to a mere historian doesn't do him all the justice I do think he can also be a teacher it all really comes down to what the seeker can understand among all of the people that talk about this "subject". I found krishnamurtis teaching a bit more direct and it could be that it was his sole purpose to "teach", not on purpose, whereas Watts do talk about it but also describes everything around it go into different ways and all that stuff not necesarily trying hard for the listener to awake to anything nonetheless awakening might happend under different circumstances and approaches. Now to compare and say one is better or worse I think misses the point.
Watts didn’t have his own philosophy… rather helped bring Krishnamurti, Buddhism, and Advaita Vedanta to the West
May I know if Alan Watts a vegan?
OMG mate... how I wish your account is active and you would reply to this humble query of mine... if it's so clear to you, can you please explain it to me once? Specifically what I am asking is : "The action of total inaction", "Being choicelessly aware", "true profound psychological change happens instantly, it can't be cultivated over a period of time" & "observer is the same as the thing that is being observed -> whereupon he says that if I am greedy, I can't separate myself from my greed & therefore I am that greed and thinking I can become less greedy is futile" ->>>> I am having mental issues because of these lessons/guidelines (not calling them teaching because he himself averted this idea) and I would very much like for someone to help me navigate through these tough waters.
When I say mental issues, it's like these unresolved problems are always ever present in my brain. Like daemons always silently running, eating some energy, consuming my thoughts and so on. I don't get troubled by them but I always remember randomly and I am like wtf bro.... I need to understand these because this is where my journey of finding out why we don't do what we know we ought to do has been stuck for like quite some time. After reading JK, I didn't found the answers I sought but somehow the quench for the damn answers came to a halt or something.
Because while I am not able to comprehend them to the depths of my faculties, I think/feel/believe that these ideas are something too incredible and extraordinary that my mere mortal brain cannot grasp them. But since they are so extraordinary, I feel like I need to grasp them asap. Someone please help me.
@@abhinavjain4612 Greed comes from a hunger instinct helping you, through compensation, to cope with a conflict in your understanding. With greater wisdom you will see that spiritual engagement with others is really only ever productive when it occurs intuitively. We always act & say the correct thing in a crisis & so don't worry - the biggest crisis in history is about to hit. We always think tragedy makes such a great story, but we can't see beyond it - yet! P.S I'm not very enlightened so I may be talking deluded nonsense...
Charming video. Nonsense title. Childish on screen prompts.
This guy is trying to fan the flames of my ego 🔥. But some of us see right through ego like it’s not there
Yess
@@maxpixley9683 isn't the ego just a delusion? a thought? an assumption? like the one seeing through the ego is an idea
@@Wil_rossoI agree witchu dude
The title of this video is incorrect. I enjoyed the conversation but due to an incorrect title I feel it only fair to thumbs down. I did enjoy this conversation though first time to find this one.
The word is not the thing sir,u have to look....
@@anubbhandari582 Haha Anub you're such a great man :)
@@anubbhandari582 and that is the whole point we are looking at the conversation not the presentation and communication of agendas and ideas that the uploader is trying to make the conversation has insight which is useful both from huxley and alan Watts... As we only looking that we derive that the presentation and the title was absolutely nonsensical.....
Alan Watt, Joseph Campbell and Eckhart Tolle were greatly influenced by J. Krishnamurti!!
Taylor Pope He cannot hear, it's all about his own ego. Nothing gets in...
I deeply love Alan Watts and Krisnamurti. None of them are perfect, both are a beautiful expression of what is a human being. So much admiration and respect for their work.
Krishnamurti is a perfect human being. No contradiction in his expression in 60 years or more of talk.
@@Oppositethink almost perfect but no.
@@KillaD55 You know nothing my brother, he is even able to show you what is perfection. To live true beauty and love, intelligence, is the most great treasure in this life.
@@Oppositethink I understand your fight, even though, to me, there are better way to do it.
I think writing «perfect human being» is by nature, wrong, impossible. There is no need nor law for perfection here. Although, being perfectly oneself is the idea here. And this is what I think JK is, he is perfectly himself. If he was perfect, everybody should be like him, and the world would lose its taste. Perfection is not for this world, so far. You can see the level of awareness/wisdom/enlightenment of someone by how true to himself he his. But then, at this point comparing people is pointless. A big fire doesn't compare itself to a small candle, light is beyond that. Because there is no center, there are no different light, just different means of express it. Even if there is «no center», and because everything is double, you have to reach yours in order to go beyond...
You cannot go beyond yourself, your center, if you don't reach it, if you're not working on being merely, purely and simply yourself.
@@marceau937 Ofcourse there is a possibility to be perfect, which means whitout ego full of beauty and love. Beauty in sentances and apparances and how one walks talks etc. Someone really true is beautyfull, so perfect. You must read Jk to understand what I mean by perfect human being and to see maybe thaty this is possible :)
The optimist looks out the window and sees a breathtaking sunset, the pessimist sees specks on the window. -Jim Rohn
And the one with the normal eyes sees the both for both are true.
And the realist sees the specks impeding his view of the sunset and doesn't discount either.
Alan watts is an excellent teacher. Krishnamurti however in all honesty is a prophet. You either get him or you don't and that ultimately depends on you.
What hypocrisy? I see none at all. Alan Watts did not describe himself as enlightened, any more than K. did. There is no separate self to be enlightened after all. Watts was a theorist perhaps, who spoke mainly from an intellectual understanding rather than the direct perception of K. but that doesn't mean that Watts was some sort of fraud as this video lamely tries to prove. Watts admired K. and the two met at least once. The main difference between Watts and K. was that Watts insisted that we acknowledge the shadow side of life whilst K. insisted that we refuse to register it in favour of the good. K. claimed that mankind had made a wrong turning 5000 years ago (suspiciously coinciding with the start of the Kali Yuga era in Hindu chronology) and that this could be reversed through education. 50 years of Krishnamurti education at Brockwood Park and elsewhere have proven this to be false. Watts pointed out that the play of good and evil are necessary to the great game of Creation and that in the known there is no up without down and no light without dark. K. lived in the "en" part of panentheism the Good that knows no opposite, which made him fairly hopeless at dealing with the reality of life in the world of opposites where most of us reside. That is why so many people find K. hard to understand. Watts is easy to understand and his observations are invaluable as a more grounded and realistic version of what K. was saying. Where K. was weak Watts was strong and vice versa, making them a perfect complement to one another. Don't bash Alan Watts, don't compare, just listen to him and just listen to K. too.
The tragedy with K is not that what he says is difficult to understand, clarity is in every talk he gives. The big tragedy is there was no one who truly study his teachings. I think watts and others has done a little bit, they got some little light and made their own legacy of interpreters.
But if one really study and try to understand, there is a discovery in what's K says. I personally seen and discovered in life everything he said. In a mind where there is peace, there is creativity, beauty, one's doesn't need a thing to be a real human being whitout division, there is some talents and gifts which appears also, probably latent in every human being. And it's all really simple, I said that the perception of division, the understanding of it is intelligence.
And he rarely if never talked about what's beyond, he surely gived us opportunity to see, discover by ourselves the thing beyond time.
The people who heard him was impressed by his approach. Try to find their way to explain it, desired the succes by claiming this as they own discovery , but they only occulted the simple explanation of K. And as their was occupied by their interpretation to have glory, they never got insight.
They talk about it and make link and become interpreters. But the flame of intelligence is not there. Their spotlight obscured the sun ray's. K has brought crucial understanding about human psyche. And all those people obscure it, obscure the only thing which can set humanity free of its own stupidity.
@@Oppositethink Alan Watts was not an interpreter of K. of any scale if at all. In fact he hardly ever mentioned K. Watts' teaching was an amalgam of mainly zen, vedanta and taoism, brought alive by his own unique insights. He was a voice in his own right. If K. had regarded him as an interpreter he would not have agreed to meet him. Watts occasionally referred to K's teachings as a reference point for his own insights but that is very far removed from being interpretation. What K. was talking about has to be come across for oneself and cannot be taught. By teaching it becomes the known and is claimed by the separate self as all else is. The insight that arises from listening to K. is temporary and does not end thought and the censor. That is the irony and the tragedy of K., though it was not his fault. K. said that it was better to have an intellectual understanding of his teachings than none at all. I'm not sure that he was right in saying that; a truly open and empty mind that is eager to discover by looking is incomparably more valuable.
@@biffin62 it's what I am talking about. They dint really mentioned K whitout saying he is difficult to understand. But what I am saying is they interpret ancient scriptures and religion from the little understanding they got from K. When you understand time, thought and pleasure, all ancient scriptures ares open to you. It's easy to become an Alan what's, ancient scriptures interpreter . But can you become a healthy human being, psychologically. Can you express life as it is? But being amaza by the interpreters, who even hide the source of their inspiration to continue to impress you, probably afraid to lose their admirability.
@@biffin62 it's all there in front of you. Life is waiting for us
@@Oppositethink Nonesense. Watts didn't interpret zen, taoism and vedanta from insights he got from K. That's absurd. His insights were his own and in some ways very different from K.'s. Heidegger's philosophy resembles K.'s teachings in many ways but do you think Heidegger was using K. to produce philosophy? They all came across the same thing in common to a greater or lesser degrees and expressed it in different ways. None of them were interpreters of K. The reason people listen to K., or to Watts or Heidegger is that we all recognize truth when we hear it in the present moment. That is the acid test. Life is not waiting for us and neither is it any more in front of us that it is us; you are Life and it exists necessarily now, upstream of time and thought. There are interpreters of K. like Ekhart Tolle or U.G. Krishnamurti but when one listens to them it is hollow and secondhand, lifeless. I fear you are putting all your energy into comparing K. with others and then detracting from the others instead of listening with an open heart and mind.
J K is exceptional and amazing. Alan watts surely understood most of what he said, please don't interpret without knowing J K. Listen to his conversation with Allan Andersson in full and you will see him.
Would have enjoyed the conversation more without the silly video annotations. Thanks for the upload though.
Sory for this, there is a lot of thinkers today who dont give Krishnamurti the respect he deserve. They disregard him and criticise anyway and I dont understand why. Even when they say someting positive, is false and occult the real K
@@Oppositethink Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I personally am a huge fan of JK's teachings, and also Watts to some degree, and I didn't really want to be primed into thinking in a certain way about either of them.
@@Karthik-yy6up If you understood K, he has no way of thinking, he is the only one who gived an exacte explanation of the nature of thought and conciousness in the most serious and factual way
My dear friend, don't let this upset you. The result of which you made this reactive video. First I did not see Alan Watts disrespectful in any way to J. Krishnamurti. Second, you don't bring up the value of Krishnamurti by belittling other speakers who shared their perception of truth with legitimate and pure honesty.
Afterall, Krishnamurti himself would not have required this. very much because you cannot add nor take away from the value of him who is genuine.
@Hana Ayo Alemayehu
You didn't get him. There is no hero. He pointed out: anyone whom try to devalue k , is a fearful man whom look after results and conclusions.
Thai is all.
I listened because the accusation toward AW was the Only thing like that I’d ever heard or seen anyone ever say when regarding him. And after listening to this, I can only guess that you may have only heard what you wanted to. And so that would imply that you may have had your own notions regarding AW previous to this. But you must remember something that has been agreed upon by most every philosopher, yogi, or guru or anyone attempting to pierce through the complexities of life and existence; “that we must Let Go of our preconceived notions about things before we can begin to understand them.” Consider the fact that everything can be viewed from multiple perspectives. You viewed this piece from only one perspective. And only you can navigate through how and why that is.
Friend, just please listen carefully what he says, with all your being listen, see between the lines, not what you want to hear but actually hear. I know it's difficult but only in this observation one can see what is.
That's what Krishnamurti method
@@Oppositethink You're just regurgitating what K said over and over like a broken record. Even the way in which you write. But do you actually understand what was being said or are you just as conceited as Jiddu? Who, by the way wasn't a "perfect human being" that you make him out to be, he was having a sexual affair with a married woman for 25 years while telling others that sex is "silly and childish". He was fondling women's breats while allegedly having seizures. You can read up on this if you just search for it on Google but I bet you won't because you're scared to find out he wasn't "perfect". :)
The name and creator's "observations" are not correct at all regarding this upload.
Both are amazing teachers for raising the human conciousness higher!!🙏🔮🙏🎆💙🙏🎆🌎
One can enjoy many speakers. Agree with them. Even make some changes in one's life. They are very helpful up to a certain point.
But... there's only one speaker, who won't help you at all, nor teach you anything. Nothing necessary to remember. No practice.
People may say it is difficult to understand, what the speaker is saying. They are interpreting, comparing, looking for examples, discussing every single word. Doing all kind of stuff, but no listening. After one is capable, to drop all filters, prejudices, opinions, and say - i don't know. Then the listening begins. To understand the speaker, is to understand one's self. The speaker is able to transform man into one self's own teacher. So the disciple, and the teacher are as one. Then, there is no need to understand anyone. No agreements, or disagreements. Acting, with no need to choose. Difficulties are gone.
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And if you learn enough about JKrishna and Watts this what they said. Esp JK who in many talks and interviews said dont believe me question for it yourself and also said I don’t know. He also disolved the for profit org built around him and started nonprofits. Neither man claimed to be perfect or devoid of ego. If there is evidence of this then cite it. They were human and used their platform to share their views. Others followed by choice. JK himself admitted this many times. They could’ve sat in a room alone with a recorder and still others would’ve listened and followed. Emojis and annotating doesn’t prove a point but we’re all entitled to our views.
This is true my dear every word of yours as one realizes "I don't know" As it dawns, as it becomes clear, like after the darkness of a dark night sun rises and it's day where one suddenly see what is , clearly, and don't need anymore any artificial light , so the mind become silent feel like a candle in the presence of sun, ah and one really feel hey "I don't know really I don't know" It seems it's freedom I don't know how to express it any other way, it's freedom.
Not freedom. It's just another form of bondage to the known, which is the world we are each, independently/collectively, living in at this exact moment in time. Our dialogical understanding of that world is itself bondage to imagination where somehow solving the crossword puzzle of oneself (through books, talks, or some form of reflective practice) is the mechanism for solving, or (if not feasible) letting go of any responsibility to the violent and fractured state of our world. Poetic metaphors have become a trap to anything other than making up more poetic metaphors along the way. And yes, there is a way that requires tremendous vitality, curiosity, co-creativity and sustained durability whereby self and world (of human engagement) simultaneously transform. It doesn't exist in lecture halls on yoga mats or zafus or in these comments on RUclips. Given that we are all the products of historical redundancies, it doesn't exist at all other than through its antithesis, as the world militaries and their mindless training in the act of war. We all, without exception, live through greed/compassion under that mushroom cloud.
I think the uploader didn't really learnt anything from k.
@FlyingIntoAStar if transformation is beyond time, how can one go through suffering as if to obtain something after, then it isnt about suffering at all is it? Suffering is just another movement. All movement is a trap.
FlyingIntoAStar no its not difficult to understand K. You don't need to go through suffering to understand K. You better understand yourself before you go thorough any difficult moment of life. If not your little self will be in disaster ;)
@FlyingIntoAStar @FlyingIntoAStar This idea of "passing through suffering" to get some deep understanding or ilumination is what religions have preached about, so, not J.K. YOU came up with this right now silly boy.
@FlyingIntoAStar Of course not for fun, or neighder for finfd solution to my suffering, which are two mouvement of desire. I listen K because he says truth, talk about life as it is, clearly. I am interested to understand him as I think understanding oneself it's the futur hype ;)
@@untetheredspirit
Self entrapment
I listened to this with a big smile with a warm heart because there is so much love in both their voices and words. They were very attentive and present in this talk, and their love for Krishnamurti was so intense.
Audio is amazing. The conversation.
The title and the video is just juvenile.
I am sorry but you are so wrong..... If I ignore your interpretation this is a beautiful conversation. Thanks for sharing the original tape though
this woman Laura Archera Huxley is twisted ,badly . krishnamurti never had a philosophy ! only a very sharp mind. and he was a man . a human being. loosing temper sometimes is healthy .natural .this doesnt mean one is not centered . krishnamurti was talking for hours with masses of low consciousness . it's not easy . he repetead same things every time the crowd said didnt understood the speech ...tough path
I've listened to many recordings of J.K. Perhaps one or twice I saw a person trying to enquire in themselves what he was saying. Most of the time people did little or no enquiry. They just asked questions that didn't make sense.
It is difficult to listen to J.K. Not because what he says is intellectual. It's because he asks about things we forgot existed. It came to me once why it's so hard to undestand. How can you explain someone what love is when he knows nothing of it. One needs to open oneself to the unknown.
How can you seek the unknown when curiosity is condemned in Christianity and other religions impose prophet's words on you. I'm discontent with J.K. and everything our civilisation teaches. I saw what I've become and I want to cry.
They did not understand the concept of time regarding the psyche. It is necessary to realise that there is no purpose to achive.
If you postpone the realization of yourself (you are lost), then you are caught in the limits of time which is a material process; and you divide your being. Time is necessary to learn; to built something, for the progress of technology. Psyche did not progress in time. The being of the world/life/nature is timeless: no beginning, no ending. If you got out of the paths of time, you enter in another dimension, the actual reality. Therefore there is no center to reach. To do so you must observe the structure of fear in its roots. It is one thing with our civilization. We are conditioned since our childhood to be afraid: afraid of the future, fear of being alone, afraid of the judgements, fear of nature, animals, viruses, earthquakes, fear of not being fulfilled and so on. This is up to you and nobody can help you.
Krishnamurti fanboys are hilarious and miss no chance to spit horse manure wherever they can. You guys have failed K and haven't absorbed any of his teachings surely. You guys show characteristics exactly what K denied.
on point :)
Aligned observation :)
I don’t get the titles reference to hypocrisy. But thanks for presenting this insightful and informative piece.
Soon I will make a full video about it as it's seems like you people doesn't understand what you hear.
Krishnamurti did condemn drugs. I don't know how much he really knew about them, but he said you cannot be religious and use things like that.
wheres the hypocrisy?
everything watts said is true and isnt meant as an attack
The hypocrisy is evident as coming from the uploader.
UG Krishnamurti is THE BOSS, Jiddu Krishnamurti is also profound but UG is THE BOSS.
UG is great but I rather listen to my noisy neighbor than to JK.
I truly appreciate the recording. But I do not appreciate the third grader comments. These were both intellectual giants. I saw nothing that warranted the criticism of Watt's here.
What's with judgmental captions?
It's been 4 years since the upload. Have you proven your point yet?
Are they not talking about U.G. Here?
Yes. Ppl are mixing up
@@andyjay-kr8pe Yes. JK has been sold like butter, but it's rancid.
This conversation is between Aldous Huxley’s second wife Laura and Alan Watts, both of whom were acquainted with Jiddu Krishnamurti. They were friends and respected one another. (Laura Huxley and Alan Watts)
Allan Watts is not a friend of Jk. It's obvious how he attack him insidiously in this video.
Krishnamurti didn’t cultivate friends in the way that it is generally regarded, he engaged in discussions, dialogues with a wide variety of people from diverse backgrounds, mostly to expand the understanding of the topics of inquiry so that the subject matters were covered as completely as possible. There wasn’t any written statements or fore planned agenda for the talks, although he presented what he spoke about with clarity and underlying logic that became self evident when the whole content was taken into consideration. It seems that the uniqueness of whatever he said or wrote stood completely on itself and therefore the facts didn’t need to be referred to others for verification according to any authority whatsoever. However, challenges were faced directly with no actual deviation from the position that he espoused. In all the recorded material that I have heard or watched he never needed to second guess the substance of what was put forward, quite remarkable and incomparable. Intelligence doesn’t require friends, take it or leave it, that’s all.
@@grahaminglis4242 Wow, thx friend fo your comment, Glad to see some people look at those things with diligence.
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I didn't know that Alan Watts actually haven't understood the Krishnamurti's sense of humor by his comments 5:05 on the other hand I found a lot of humor in his talks if you follow and understand the bits of it are infused with what we call humor and irony... in one of JK talks he was welcomed with applause by the crowed and when they stoped first thing he said was: "Did you ever tried to applaud with one hand? Please do that from now on." :D people don't need to be "goofy" to be funny, it is about the understanding which makes it funny... but most of us don't kind of get these simplest things
People with psychological issues or brain damage can’t get irony and sarcasm. All those spiritual fox are suffering from deep psychological problems it’s why they never get jk
JK (I love him deeply) was very serious in all his talks, he did not welcome applauses nor talking in a light manner. He very rarely used jokes in his discussions. There are plenty of teachers that use much more humor like Eckhart, Osho, Mooji, Papaji etc. but JK is not one of them. He required from the audience to be very serious and attentive and not pollute/distort their attention with anything else. The fact is that every teacher has his own ways to pass his state and understanding of the world, some use laughter other like JK require most serious attention in order to investigate along with him.
@@fanypeneva5370 the people you cite can’t be even a school educator. Please don’t call them teacher cause they are not. And K is hilarious in each of his talk, understanding oneself is pure joy. You just never watched an entire dialogue or discussion of k. I watch them almost all and can tell you he crack the jokes that none of those people with their cringe talks can make. There is so many people who think like you instead of assuming that they have no idea about what K talks or his jokes they come and share their opinions as it has some factual basis, they come to “share” what is K or not. K is the only teacher since longtime there hasn’t been one. What he says is of crucial importance to understand for all of us. You’re blind.
@@Oppositethink I see that you are all about JK thats fine, but dont try to impose your opinion on others. The fact that you see the truth only in his words should be a warning for your objectivity and tolerance of the different ways of transmitting the same basic truth. I am totally free to express my opinion, and you should accept it as is or not its not my problem, its yours. You are the one that has a fixation over one teacher and fights against all the others. I dont have a problem with this. Not sure what benefits you are the one creating conflict, I am simply sharing my experience without any prejudice.
@@fanypeneva5370 different ways to transmitting same basic truth ? If it’s so simple basic truth why you’re jumping around teachers ? Why need teachers if it’s basic simple ? Why need someone to tell it to you? Haha god sake. Yeah dude as you say your opinions I say mine, it’s how your brain can go so far. And I say t again. People you say are teachers are scams.
bro UG krishnamurti and J krishnamurti , are two different people,
you are using a mixture of pictures
Why are you talking about UG?
@@Oppositethink 0:15
I mean, who do he mean by proufound thinkers? Those stupid people?
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Krishnamurti is the most original thinker until today since ever. When he says one of the most original thinkers, he just want to include himself. But those people are all but not original ;)
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@@Oppositethink i see, #LOVE jiddu 🙏
is not hypocrisy , but yes is hiding the fact that Krishnamurti was truly honest , while Allan was trying to obtain fame
The definition of ypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.
I don't understand the relation between the title and content... Seriously... Explain it??
Same here. Alan watts is praising jk..not being hypocritical...imho
Not sure these two have understood Krishnamurti.
There is no philosophy or religion or politic that is true.
I find it odd that Buddhists didn't recognise him for what he was
but instead pin a label on him.
When you follow, its a step up from being the slave , to a spiritual master ''up there'' that you wish to reach.
And which cannot be reached in time.
Follow nobody and no system.
@Imp Sadir Its the ist or ism that kills the Buddha's message.
@Imp Sadir what the fook are you crying about . You have not understood my reply.
@Imp Sadir How can anyone be half Buddhist ?
@Imp Sadir You really are messed up.
You have no clue.
May be you're a bot .
I don't see substance in the video poster's interpretation.
I don't see the supposed hypocrisy
They Watts and Krishna both respected each other.
Anyway, thanks for sharing the recording
@4:55 Watts claims that Krishnamurti's "hedonistic" side does not come out in his talks, but Krishnamurti does talk about wearing nice clothes, eating nice food and having sex in his talks. He was rather critical of the extremely limited lifestyle of monks.
Hmm..can u pls share such talks if u have video or articles?
Great conversation... Silly and childish title... Only someone who is a fanboy or a hater would do this... Again great conversation. Both were great men... To find a conflict where there is none is just silly... Hope you are making j krishna proud by doing what he absolutely and categorically asked not to...😅
You're such an innocent baby. You can't even be aware of the hypocrisies of someone. The lack of understanding brings such superficial people as you who think who knows. Who think who knows what Jk wanted, and I am even sure you know Jiddu Krishnamurti from others person rather than your own studying of the man.
@@Oppositethink hahhahaha... Tell me honestly...do you actually believe that j k would have approved of this emotional outburst...😂
@@raghvendranegi4arun I dont know. I don't care. I hate what is false. If Jk was said something wrong and misleading, you will find it here. But he is not. He has worked for humanity and has shared his insight with all without asking anything in return.
You can if you want to go far more beyond Allan Watts or any others self-proclaimed spiritual bullshitter by reading K.
You can be a real human being and attain what all religions and philosophies have tried to bring in man by studying seriously K. But you can't come to bliss by studying or fallowing those false gurus. But you seem already blind so I wonder to whom I am talking about all this ;) Probably a Jerk beyond Jerks.
@@Oppositethink hahahhaha... I pity you
... I guess you have been enlightened ...and have realised that the observer is observed... Although the way you talk... I highly doubt if you even have basic courtesy...🤣🤣🤣
@@Oppositethink and actually i think now that i have heard you ...you were the kind of follower that might have forced j k to never have followers... Being so in love with the master that you would rather do things that he himself was against... Thn to actually understand his philosophy
I Don't think J Krishna ever was interested in smoking his pipe and chat about goofy theory's and philosophy...🤣😂
I saw him as a person who doesn't like goofy remarks when speaking. During his lecture he often said, one should listen to it seriously.
Thanks for the upload. I carefully followed what JK had to say. I understood him very well. In the end, we see he's just a human being and there's certainly room for criticism.
Definitely just a human as you and me. That's why it's so amazing, not only he is an exemple of intelligence and beauty, he gives understanding to reach profound intelligence. So we can become normal healthy human beings as he was
Being human is not a simple thing
The title?!!!
I think what Kristnamurti means is that he has no intention of helping anyone. He does it because he enjoys it would be my guess. He likes talking out to people and inquiry with them. Why wouldnt be as simple as this. Being simple is key. If he wants to fix people it turns out into control.
If you have listened to Alan Watts speeches, there are plenty, you will be amazed at his vast knowledge, deep understanding and mastery of language, incredible. Anyway I wouldn't compare K with Alan, there is no need. Although I wish they had met at least once. If you have some glimpse of understanding of K, I am sure you would greatly appreciate Alan.
I'm quite sure Watts and K met and talked.
I believe they didn't, I think that AW himself mention it somewhere but I cannot recall where.
@@sadiq0 Then they must have met later. There's a picture of them both and Alan's wife from 1969. They seem to enjoy themselves. I'm sure you can find it by doing an image search.
@@52hands I will definitely search. Thanks
I remember that Watts mentions a discussion he had in person with Krishnamurti in his autobiography, “In My Own Way.”
Just don't look at the video if it's irritating you all so much. All your talk of zen and thoughtless observation...
"he doesn't give any way to get there... this is how the lady starts to the conversation. Isn't it very normal that JK dislikes this lazy, addicted-like attitude? He calls people to discover themselves. And he provides every single instrument for this discovery process. But human brain is looking for a jesus-like external saviour and expects him to take her their lazy ass out from their miserable lives. I have also listened to the other videos of AW, he always have an urge to critisize JK which is a big lack of wisdom and respect. Becaue the day he feel and accept Kriahnaji, he will have to admit the nonsense of all his Buddhist, Chinese, Japanese teachings which he set his life on to. By criticizing JK, he psychologically strengthens his "far-east-philosopher" ego, personality...
Krishnamurti was 💯 right
Wrong krishnamurti. He’s referring to UG krishnamurti
Haha how do you know?
kirshnamurti scares me man. he makes me think about billions of people who don't understand themself. not saying i do lol. but i listen to this talk and i can't ponder the freedom he must experience. so intensely free that its scary
That's why JK should be heard bu everyone?
@@pushparahi5681 wel maybe. As long as we don’t idolize him lol
@@wesgb226 can i ask you a question?
What freedom means to you though? is it a state of mind?
@@pushparahi5681 everybody dont hv the guts
@@pushparahi5681 yea its a state of mind. Sometimes I feel really free and other times I feel really trapped, it just depends on my mind
This is a good motive of sharing this video , but takes a wrong turn when one starts to judge what one is talking about Another
Infact I found this very beautiful piece of conversation very thoughtful and brings me a great admiration about AW, but felt sad when being sarcastic at 7:33 with the emoticons and comments posted over the dialogue demeans the entire purpose of sharing such a beautiful dialogue
In one line- if we don't like it let's not get into it and demean each other
Let's learn and not demean each other
It's not a beautiful dialogue. Alan it's a dog
Ekhart Tolle has quoted J Krishnamurti as well as the original Meister Ekhart.
He is a good businessman
Real name: ULRICH TOLLE. Claiming to be the incarnation of Meister Eckhart. What a con-artist ...
Alan watts was admirer of JK. I don't know what you are talking about.
I don't do it on purpose...
Fascinating talk. The person who spent three days with him in India is I think Aldous Huxley. Wish she had named the mystic with whom they had their sojourn.
I believe she is talking about JK
Laura Huxley is the wife of Aldous
Bees, Birds, and Flowers are of immense benefit to the world. But have not thought of changing anything in any way.
All of you think you know, but don't know, which says alot.
What's the purpose of this video? I don't get it.
You're maybe stupid :)
He probably meant , I don’t do it “with” a purpose
No I believe he meant exactly that he don't do it on purpose. A good man helps people because he is asked for and he must do it. A man that still has ego helps people because he wants to help them.
AnshRus she has written that he said, “But I’m not trying to [to help].”
Why do you believe jk
If you find truth in his speech accept it
Otherwise leave it
Awful screen prompts, very childish indeed.
When one shatters anothers perspective reality, even unintentionally, it only proves that suffering is an existence of attachment. Remember however that claiming or 'being' *detached* is also a way of being attached in an anti sort of way because it is the ego holding the reigns so to speak. Like when two people are believing in god and not believing in god, arguing, when in reality it doesnt change a thing. It really only makes things more and more difficult because if a way of thinking is getting deeper in the mess and is already deeply ingrained and is treated as something holy or personal beyond all reckoning then the more difficult it can be for the other to understand or when to acknowledge who is actually pointing them towards liberation, going beyond their 'grasping understanding', which let me remind you is the same thing. You will be only making things harder unintentionally and regrettably; and yet even further ones ego can deny the reality of a situation only then to come to an end anyway or to grow and revolutionise ones thoughts: Albeit painfully.
As Alan Watts would say if youre trying to 'elevate' your own consciousness then youre only "Trying to lift yourself with YOUR own bootstraps" It wont get you anywhere. You need the other just as much as the self and they are one yet are not attached to there differences, bees need flowers just as much as flowers need bees. Both are very different from eachother yet they go together synergistcally and yet they never deny there existences or argue about there beliefs or ideas or blah blah... etc because what would be the use? It only prevents the way from actually happening; they just compliment eachother to the betterment of life and goodness without a single thought. The idea of the self is an ego game. That is the human trap. If You consider your actions youre only making things dangerous. 'The ego or the self is the one to do the action?', this is the contemplation of action which is another path altogether as of course there are many.
The way of cultivation of virtue is in itself abundantly clear and yet to grasp it you then have a loss of virtue and you only obscure it, so, when you reconcile these thoughts it brings within you to the state of non-doing, the way, the considered highest state of self fruition. It would seem that when an action has no thought it was absolutely obvious and essential in what it had to do next. The hells of life exist just as much and just as low as the heavens of desire and vice versa. Yet both cloud the mind when thought between the two, what is the use; it is what is considered the use of the mind through an idea called "Purposeful Generation" generating the what ifs and what isnts. What could be's and could be not's when in life they are all just as bad as all of the stories and situations that ever happened or were created and to be thought of ever. Yet the reality is in front of you. Act on life, not death. Only when you realise this will you really get anywhere and with it, it will lift you.
To stick yourself to one side and to adamantely believe it is the only way, the only reality, is blatant attachment and therefore suffering insues even to the one who is unaware beyond themselves because it is not the human conscious that is or can be evil. Can a newborn baby be evil to another?
It is the denial of the real which causes great misery and to perverse the way of nature, to prevent reality from happening, smothering and destroying the natural balance it will only come back twice as bad because evil can not exist where goodness belongs.
So, to stir the human mentality, or in another way, to acknowledge indifference and deny relation is to only bring shortcomings and to greaten artificiality, cause mental poverty which will in turn weaken the light of goodness.
My English has never been great but I do hope this gives a little flavour of shape in your life.
Every teacher will dissapoint you one day.
Then his/her work is done.
I cannot live from someone elses wisdom. There comes a time I have to let go and find my own.
Clinging onto someones wisdom is useless. We should go to them only for advise, how to overcome our own ignorance.
As Nisargadata said. "A teaching should be understood, used and given up."
No one should be compared. No one should be shamed. No one should be worshipped.
Only fools give advice. See for yourself and action becomes effortless. The question of "how" is trickery born from the lack of true passion and energy. When in extreme crisis where everything breaks down all beliefs, perspectives and dogmas and there is enormous energy there is never a "how"
@@delq
Funny that your comment is a form of advice. 😉😂
@@fzuzka advice is when you persuade. "Do this please.... for it will do you better good", to bait using all things imaginable. Pointing out facts is not advice.
@@delq
Will do. Thank you. 😊
For information, Alan Watt, Joseph Campbell and Eckhart Tolle were greatly influenced by J. Krishnamurti..!!
Spiritual ambition is necessary to end the division between the observer and the observed. Training attention is the skill. I'll say I came to it for real, and it was incredibly terrifying.
Ah, got burned a little eh? I agree, it is terrifying. Something we will not forget
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw fair point. The ending of the observer is death. I trained ruthlessly from age 13 through 24 when this death pounced,, hanging out my laundry while observing the cloulds. Terrifying
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw I agree with everything you write. The practice undertaken was a collusion of events, starting with my father announcing life exeptancy of 38 due to my birth circumstance. A year past and JK notebook was given to me. Naively I decided to cheat death by ending the 'self'. It's rather sad actually as i didn't mature this 'self'. I'm 57 now.
K is dangerous, yet effective on a shallow level. Most really don't know what the fuck was really going on with him. If I had the chance to converse I would have been very angry with him.
How you coping with convid? I'm in Australia. Its my birthday wtf
I will offer you this exercise.
Plan a morning for yourself with nothing to do sit calmly and brainwash yourself, that there is nothing of Purpose for yourself to do that this morning this self doesn't need to achieve anything if you have brainwashed yourself then go outside for a walk.
Can’t understand the reason of the title
Yup! Doesn't make much sense
You should just see what the "thinkers of last century" think about Jk, just listen carefully and see how they try to occult him. It's totaly ridiculus to try to hide Krishnamurti. Cause if you listen and understand him you become 10 times allan watts
@@Oppositethink Most of the people can't understand " new " or " truth " because to understand K we have to always keep in mind he is talking about " mind " and not physical world most of the time and other is that we have to look at it and see ourselves dissolving because everything uncover itself as means to keep ourselves " ego " standing there which doesn't exist really,. he is for doers and not for timepass or gossipers .
cuz people dont have energy to understand what he said
what they all try to do is to analyze other people
all of us
4:04 thought things were about to get personal
Of course Krishnamurti said "no center". How can emptiness have a center?
“God is a circle whose center is everywhere and circumference nowhere.” Voltaire.
Krishna G not Krishnamurti J
Yes, Krishna G is UG. JK is probably a CIA agent hahah.
CIA AGENT??
I still love Spinoza i love them all they all have teachings that help each person
You are so right, Michael. Both give the same tools.
Can you recommend me any video that shows teachings of...or atleast the messages of spinoza that we can apply on our life?
@@SpiKrishPri .
@@pushparahi5681 ethics try that audio book 📚
This video could have been a peaceful one
You even mixed Jiddhu with UG ... photo)
Krishnamurti wasn't pestered with internal images ,apparently called aphantasia effecting 5% of the population 🤔
Cuando alguien trata de desacreditar personas concretas como a “K”, revela inexorablemente la presencia y floración del ego en su máxima esencia. Alan Watts, habla de la disolución del ego, pero lo único que hizo fue vivir en la ilusión de que lo ha conseguido....igual que todos los demás “maestros “. El único conocido que ha llegado a “eso” en nuestros tiempos contemporáneos fue, sin lugar a dudas, krishnmamurti, lo que le valió ser el blanco de cualquier acusación, por mínima que sea, por parte de aquellos falsos maestros.
Oh my god someone speaking truth in Spanish :)
Translation of themessage of our friend here who says truely truth.
"When someone tries to discredit specific people like "K", inexorably reveals the presence and flowering of the ego in its maximum essence. Alan Watts talks about the dissolution of the ego, but the only thing he did was live under the illusion that he did it ... just like all the other "teachers". The only knowledge that has arrived at "this" in our contemporary era was, without a doubt, krishnmamurti, which has brought him to the point of any accusation, however small, by these false teachers."
@@Oppositethink thanks for translating me :)
@@Oppositethink jajaja,por supuesto my friend,,
Sim. Disseste a verdade desse fato.
K...indubitavelmente é magnífico ser humano. Raríssimo hoje.
Naturalmente temos outros mestres que não aparecem devido ao trabalho mais " silencioso "
Everything "done" after truly knowing somthing.... is right, whether the "religions" or "traditions" or "society" deems it right or wrong.
It will always be non-violent. Because now he is not under compulsion from Nature or Society. (FREEDOM)
So...does a Bodhi (one who understands) eat fish? Maybe. Maybe not.
Does he bow down? Maybe. Maybe not. Anything is possible. Now he is under no compulsion.
You are correct. Erich Fromm also noticed Alan Watts was full of it.
Watts, Krishnamurti, Campbell, Goddard, you, me, us, them, etc. it's god having a human experience.
You need therapy.
Each person is his own master... When
Come on, love with Allan watts and Krishnamurti since many years, how arrogant is the person who made this video?!?
Surely not as arrogant as Allan 😂
in 5:00 Allan says why nice days of personal life of K doesn't come into his talks. Which is nonsense cause why he would talk about the cake he eat yesterday in an educational talk? And after this he says "he got no humor." But people please, if you watched K talks you will see his subtle humor coming out as Laura precise. He is quite funny. So you can see the begging of Allan resistance against Laura question from 5:00. Laura show in this conversation great humility and great intelligence. Such a beautiful person.
A man with a non judgemental mind, doesn't need a good cook.
He also doesn't need to give the impression that he has overcome (or even diminished) the sensual state of being, i.e. the "hedonist" in him.
That's why the cake K. ate yesterday could as well interest the audience.
amakrid hahahah
Arjuna about humor, those close to him talk of his great laugh. And he loved to tell jokes, e.g. “Joseph is putting the baby Jesus into his crib, and when he raises up, he hits his head on a low beam and exclaims, in pain, “Jesus Christ!!!” Then says, “Good name.”
Such a grear audio. Such a ridiculous video... and comments
ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT UG or JK?
"Nonsense" indeed!
Having center implies limitation.
What's the problem? None here made the words spoken to start with
Alan and J.K ♥️
Call me crazy.... but they are talking about UG krishnamurti not Jiddu.... so the title is absolutely incorrect
eric kimathi no Eric it’s about JK. Read Jk friend don’t lose time. Life is calling
You're crazy. And wrong.
He’s talking about UG. He idolized him
In conversastion they are reefering to two people as they one of them is Jk, who the other is ??
K would have said, just listen ,don't compare ,judge, interpret.
Alan has his hang ups for sure but you are hung up on Alan’s hang ups.
Being able to push in the clutch doesn't make you a hypocrite...it makes you a more conscious being.
Push the what? Why you people talk from idealization but not from study?
@@Oppositethink Because left brained people require math to explain things where right brained people understood precisely what I said
@@kdubs9111 you said absolutely nothing mate. You talk from ignorance. And I say it again, why?
@@Oppositethink You're seriously so narcissistic that you can't let people use their own metaphors?
@@kdubs9111 Own methapors???? WThell you're talking about? You're so narcicistic that you can't accept that you talk from ignorance that you dont know Alan or K enough to talk?
If anyone think like 'JK or AW', let's put this way - multa lumina, una lux.
So they are trying to dig up dirt on Krishnamurti
Woman always talks with a individual purpose, they don't talk to expand. Ego in woman is disguise as reason and facts. I think neither in the conversation really try to appreciate Krishnamurti perception or his intentions. One thing Krishnamurti never did was to talk about other people, he talked about professions or religions, never about someone, and that tells you a lot. The appreciation of themselves without exposing a base in which they can lay on is immature, point out things with a self loading feeling of rightness gives and shows nothing.
I don’t get the annotations either.
Nice conversation. The photos in this video look so cool 🌟
At 4:00 she says, "We were living in the house of this great mystic..." Jiddu wasn't a Mystic though.
He was
@@copyninja8756 No he wasnt. He avoided it. Osho spoke about jiddu and even talked about that the reason for his failure is because he avoided the mystic path.
@@Gaurav.P0 I didn't label him as a failure. Osho did. www.osho.com/read/osho/osho-on-topics/j-krishnamurti
@@Gaurav.P0 I mean idk but I know JK wasn't a mystic. JK has even said himself, " I am not a mystic." Wouldn't call him a failure tho but I mean it feels like we have to head somewhere and he failed to achieve that somewhere
@@Gaurav.P0 JK himself said he is not mystic. He did not take a mystical path. Thats what we're are talking about so stay on subject. He's not a mystic
Who is the lady talking??
Interesting Dialog, to have an insight into this two men. But the vid must be in a more original form on youtube. And not with that strange title. But if there is place for something like this on youtube, then there must be space to for this comment. I blog under the Name Chili Prepper too about Krishnamurti, check it out on the website medium. have fun
for you to have any valid opinion on the matter you will need to have read at least 1 of Alan Watts books cover to cover. By this video you have made I will assume that you have not.
You didn't get it brother at all. You need to really Listen , I actually enjoyed it thanks for the video though you uploaded it for all the wrong reasons. 👍
You probably enjoy a lot of sick discussion ;)
Isn’t this about UG Krishnamurti, not J?
It's about Jiddu Krishnamurti. Ug cause he was thirst for money and fame, he got non of this, and nota single real friend.
This is about UG not JK u idiot
For one to lay critic to the other, misses the point completely..........
Misses the point of what Einstein? You think you do some philosophies or something? Just listen and understand what he is saying it's obvious. But you seems to understand nothing so you play the "you miss the point if you critic blablabla" a great answer of someone nicely disconnected from reality
@@Oppositethink wow such anger buhahahahaha