Age of Dreams i love LSD and DMT and Valium and MDMA i DO not care forCannabis or wine as cannabis burns lungs and the high is not that good same as red wine
Extraordinary how drugs have been not only normalised, but glamourised. We normalised being unhappy without understanding why, neglecting our feelings and normalised becoming someone we are not, through drugs, in the name of « like » and « better ». Isn’t understanding and respecting part of what we understand as loving ? Respecting our suffering enough to understand it may be part of loving ?
We use drugs as a substitute for the wonder and mystery nature used to give us. Now, we have a eroded that mystery through rationalism and stomped the natural world down with technology. Now we are no longer live to survive, but live to work. When taken from an evolutionary perspective, the world we have created in such a very short amount of time is nothing but absurd and alien to us.
That and if you object to taking drugs or encourage people you care about to stop people chastise you for being judgmental. It twists moral concerns on its head - challenging, rather than enabling, is seen as a greater crime than indifferently letting those around you ruin their lives.
Alan Watts said the same reason people use drugs is the same reason a child likes to spin around and get dizzy/ experience altered states of consciousness. Same with tribal communities (obviously within reason). From this perspective it just seems like a matter of opinion.
@@ShockwaveZero It is a matter of opinion. Even Nisargadatta Maharaj, one of the greatest Gurus ever lived used to smoke. It also depends of what drugs we are talking about. There is a wide variety of them that does a lot of different things. Simple coffee is a drug. So its not that easy and i think it is wrong to talk about them in this manner. The seeker is on his own personal road and everything is a stepping stone to the other. It doesent even matter what it is, but everything leads to the next. While it is true that a person cannot reach enlightenement, simply because a person is a fictional imagination in the mind, the self still has many ways to express itself through itself and drugs are not exluded.
Many Drugs can help you with many things. But once you choose to be dependent on them, it's there where jk's words become true! for e.g, Taking mushrooms once for a certain need and taking them again and again just for the high it gives is two different approaches. Sadly what the common grug culture is, is like consuming anything just to experience the high and call it "enlightenment"! Jk talks neither from the side of drugs, nor from the against side of drugs. He's putting out what actualy the reality is!
I don't agree, but i also have seen people really take these things in an unhealthy way, and forget that they should be enhancing the experience of their sober life, not escaping from it
Soy una persona muy curiosa y he probado casi todo... Incluida burundanga, y despues de la experiencia, puedo decir que descubri que todas son solo una llave que habre los efectos que producen las drogas, que ya llevamos dentro...si llegaramos al estado de conciencia que habla k. solo tendriamos que pedir el efecto de la droga escogida a nuestro cerebro, y la tendriamos... Yo en un estado de panico, tube una experiencia como si estubiera en acido y no habia tomado nada. Asi descubri que todo esta dentro de uno, las drogas, el miedo, solo son llaves.
I don't agree 🤔🤔Lord shiva meditated on weed 😉😉😉 and the agory,s do too and then there's tantric practices that involve substance🤔🤔🤔 I think its misunderstood🤔🤔🤔🤔 don't get me wrong I don't recommend the use off a substance but there's evidence that some spiritual seekers did use some substance😉😉
How about anti cancer drugs? The speaker took those, correct? A drug is any substance that induces a change in the host organism. It seems he is referring to only certain drugs, which is fine, if chewing willow branches reduces your headache, which is aspirin source, then it is a drug, food can also be referred to as drugs due to their effect on neurochemicals. Perhaps it is just the title that is misleading, if it were called, bad drugs are bad, then it would not be so confusing.
Where is this place? Who am I? Why am I here? Each time I silently posed one of these questions, the answer came instantly in an explosion of light, color, love, and beauty that blew through me like a crashing wave.
Drugs go from heroin to ayahuasca or LSD. So we first need to define drugs. And than there is individual difference in the intentions, settings that people take these drugs. If Im honest, the people that use addictive drugs, common ones like alcohol or cigarettes, I dont see many of them in good shape health wise. Psychedelic drugs are a whole other thing, they can transform you into a better person. But its not a given, it depends also on the user and if they use it as a means of improving or escaping life.
He seems to be speaking exclusively of alcohol/cigarettes (at least that's all he's mentioned). I've known people dependent on alcohol/cigarettes (not that they'd admit it) who have taken mushrooms but it struck them like a funny party trick - I think either 1) if you're inclined towards alcohol and cigarette consumption, you likely don't have the capacity for attention that can really flower in response to psychedelics to begin with or 2) the alcohol/cigarettes themselves dull your capacity for attention to such an extent that you can't appreciate psychedelics in their full capacity.
It depends what you mean by drags, for example magic mushrooms are not drugs, people who use them can understand, weed off course is a drag because it makes you sleepy and slow, also it grows you the addiction, on the other hand magic mushrooms never get you addicted. In most of the things I agree with jidu but not on this one, no one can be so absolute, not even him
"I've never done drugs but I'm certain they have no value whatsoever." Case closed? Who's to say that the experience drugs produce is purely chemical? Surely some drugs (lsd, dmt) have noteworthy interactions with non-physical consciousness. It's absolutely true that enlightenment cannot be reached by getting loaded all the time but to say there's no value in drugs is a surprisingly ignorant statement.
@@hrithikjyani2254 Drugs are dangerous. Period. They're also often used in a way that represents "spiritual bypassing" a.k.a. wanting enlightenment but not being willing to do the necessary work to get there. I know lots of people, myself included, who have had very important experiences on drugs that served as a stepping stone for spiritual development. Drugs are not the answer. Drugs kill people. But they do have value to some people's spiritual journey... at least at the beginning. Ram Dass said that taking psychedelics was like going for a fun plane ride... you always have to land. When he went to India and was exposed to people who were already on a permanent natural high he realized what he wanted. Meditation, prayer, ritual, being of service, commitment to study, taking an honest look at your own shortcomings... these are the way forward to a higher state of awareness. But, at the beginning, drugs can help show us that there's more to reality than the job, the car and the girl. Peace.
@@melvinkandolf2050 Based on what evidence? The hard problem of consciousness is still the bogeyman of the materialist-reductionist paradigm. I believe firmly that consciousness is a separate entity that is not bound by ordinary laws & rules. If you were colour-blind, you could know everything there is to know about the colour red from a scientific standpoint but that wouldn't get you any closer to the experience of red a.k.a. the 'what-it's-like-ness" of red. That experience is made possible by a perceiving consciousness that isn't a physical entity otherwise this issue would have been put to rest years ago. Of course, there are those that say that consciousness is an illusion. But how do you KNOW that it's an illusion? You know (or think you know) because your perceiving consciousness is there to witness it. Peace to all.
@@benr91what evidence do you have that consciousness is a sperate entity not bound by ordinary laws or rules? Which laws and which rules are we talking about?
Could the speaker be contradictory? Everyone is made different.. Don't judge nor study it... People use it for many diff reasons.. Don't just get attached to the experience.. In fact...get attached to nothing
I like Krishna, however in this clip affirming that drugs are of no value....and never having taken shrooms or DMT, is downright silly for such an Iconic "speaker"
Here he makes a mistake: If you didn't make an experience with an object, don't talk about it. Everything you say is suggestion and doesn't reach an experienced one.
You need to know his lingo to understand why. In his dialogues "The me", "The I", "The Self" which humans speak of and from all the time, is one of the causes of wars and pain in the world.
It's because the punchline of a lot of this is that you aren't the same thing as your thoughts and your thoughts don't really belong to you (same with your body and so on) - instead you're this like shapeless, pure subjectivity. "The speaker" is just referring to the body/vocal chords/brain etc. that are currently speaking, as opposed to who *he* actually is (a centreless subjectivity).
I have to disagree with you on this k . Natural plants,mushrooms etc can be beneficial to the brain of living sentient beings. Beyond the conditioning beyond the thought of rewards of enlightenment. Prevent suffering is the mission all sentient beings. Life, it makes the harmable and then it harms it. It's insane.
Mozzie Effist whilst i love enlightened teaching they seem to be nieve with drugs JK Osho Echart Tolle Echart Tolle has tryd them Sadguru that is where the awakend fail by thinking drugs are bad
probably one of his worst takes, but you always have to consider the audience hes talking to are probably some stupid hippies. Also K seems to be materialist in the sense that matter creates conciousness. We now know they psychedelics reduce brain activity yet creat hyper real experiences as well as near deaths etc. wich doesnt make sense in that framework. Id be glad if some one can clarify since he seems to make an exeption for him self in regards to the origin of conciousness.
where did he say that matter creates conciousness? pretty sure he was talking about the mind. I also don't aggre with his take on this as one experience made me give up all drugs including coffe and ciggaretes and made me devote myself to meditation in order to get back into that state but also retain it. I think for people raised in the west and completly detached from any spirituality as is usualy the case I think its the only way for people to truly take up the search otherwise they would just get sidetracked or scof it of as fairlytales from the east. He was born and raised with spirituality in mind so im sure he can't understand how important drugs are for westeners when it comes to seeking the truth.
Have you ever tried to meditate while hung over? Or remain mindful while drunk? It's basically impossible - most drugs (sans psychedelics - but even then you need a certain attentional capacity to even appreciate the full depth of what those can provide) really do make it harder to pay attention to reality
@@TheStruggler101 shrooms are definitely not, unless you are using them in such a way. A single medium strength dose of shrooms can drastically change your life for the better. It can force you to reevaluate your mindset and behavior. If you have PTSD issues, or are otherwise emotionally stuck in some way, a medium dose of ketamine can get you unstuck (it may take a few doses spaced out over a few months). Marijuana is really good for people with low appetite, insomnia, or anxiety/depression, or to unwind as recreation (but that last one could be considered a waste of time).
What a beautiful elaborate!
Thank you for this!
J.K. is in my heart long time ago, my first conscious steps, with his pointings...❤
Just one more intense physical experience that can entangle you in samsara...and a good thing to teach you balance and moderation.
People are interested in pleasure rather than intelligence
Age of Dreams i love LSD and DMT and Valium and MDMA i DO not care forCannabis or wine as cannabis burns lungs and the high is not that good same as red wine
accurate as fuck
Because we can't know anything about intelligence. Knowledge person is not intelligent.
exactly@@Physics14728
Extraordinary how drugs have been not only normalised, but glamourised. We normalised being unhappy without understanding why, neglecting our feelings and normalised becoming someone we are not, through drugs, in the name of « like » and « better ». Isn’t understanding and respecting part of what we understand as loving ? Respecting our suffering enough to understand it may be part of loving ?
We use drugs as a substitute for the wonder and mystery nature used to give us. Now, we have a eroded that mystery through rationalism and stomped the natural world down with technology. Now we are no longer live to survive, but live to work. When taken from an evolutionary perspective, the world we have created in such a very short amount of time is nothing but absurd and alien to us.
That and if you object to taking drugs or encourage people you care about to stop people chastise you for being judgmental. It twists moral concerns on its head - challenging, rather than enabling, is seen as a greater crime than indifferently letting those around you ruin their lives.
Alan Watts said the same reason people use drugs is the same reason a child likes to spin around and get dizzy/ experience altered states of consciousness. Same with tribal communities (obviously within reason). From this perspective it just seems like a matter of opinion.
@@ShockwaveZero It is a matter of opinion. Even Nisargadatta Maharaj, one of the greatest Gurus ever lived used to smoke.
It also depends of what drugs we are talking about. There is a wide variety of them that does a lot of different things.
Simple coffee is a drug. So its not that easy and i think it is wrong to talk about them in this manner. The seeker is on his own personal road and everything is a stepping stone to the other. It doesent even matter what it is, but everything leads to the next. While it is true that a person cannot reach enlightenement, simply because a person is a fictional imagination in the mind, the self still has many ways to express itself through itself and drugs are not exluded.
Many Drugs can help you with many things. But once you choose to be dependent on them, it's there where jk's words become true! for e.g, Taking mushrooms once for a certain need and taking them again and again just for the high it gives is two different approaches. Sadly what the common grug culture is, is like consuming anything just to experience the high and call it "enlightenment"! Jk talks neither from the side of drugs, nor from the against side of drugs. He's putting out what actualy the reality is!
Aldous Huxley -
Doors of Perception.
Friend of Krishnamurti.
Famous writer he's pointing to
Nobody is perfect cause perfection is ugly 😊🎉❤
Experience the light under trees very sober mind at that point only ok I think that most important feeling touched soul and body can't describe it ok
Interesting to see how far K’s views on the subject diverge from this of his close friend and author of “The Doors of Perception”, Aldous Huxley.
I don't agree, but i also have seen people really take these things in an unhealthy way, and forget that they should be enhancing the experience of their sober life, not escaping from it
Could the Speaker be speaking about Alan Watts ? He died of alcoholism quite early.
Soy una persona muy curiosa y he probado casi todo... Incluida burundanga, y despues de la experiencia, puedo decir que descubri que todas son solo una llave que habre los efectos que producen las drogas, que ya llevamos dentro...si llegaramos al estado de conciencia que habla k. solo tendriamos que pedir el efecto de la droga escogida a nuestro cerebro, y la tendriamos... Yo en un estado de panico, tube una experiencia como si estubiera en acido y no habia tomado nada. Asi descubri que todo esta dentro de uno, las drogas, el miedo, solo son llaves.
I don't agree 🤔🤔Lord shiva meditated on weed 😉😉😉 and the agory,s do too and then there's tantric practices that involve substance🤔🤔🤔 I think its misunderstood🤔🤔🤔🤔 don't get me wrong I don't recommend the use off a substance but there's evidence that some spiritual seekers did use some substance😉😉
A drug is some u r addicted 2= could be everything...any thought idea , sensation etc
Incredible
How about anti cancer drugs? The speaker took those, correct? A drug is any substance that induces a change in the host organism. It seems he is referring to only certain drugs, which is fine, if chewing willow branches reduces your headache, which is aspirin source, then it is a drug, food can also be referred to as drugs due to their effect on neurochemicals. Perhaps it is just the title that is misleading, if it were called, bad drugs are bad, then it would not be so confusing.
Where is this place?
Who am I?
Why am I here?
Each time I silently posed one of these questions, the answer came instantly in an explosion of light, color, love, and beauty that blew through me like a crashing wave.
Sounds like a great experience.
Props to you, everytime I ask this to myself theres a big silence... 😂
Drugs go from heroin to ayahuasca or LSD. So we first need to define drugs. And than there is individual difference in the intentions, settings that people take these drugs. If Im honest, the people that use addictive drugs, common ones like alcohol or cigarettes, I dont see many of them in good shape health wise. Psychedelic drugs are a whole other thing, they can transform you into a better person. But its not a given, it depends also on the user and if they use it as a means of improving or escaping life.
He seems to be speaking exclusively of alcohol/cigarettes (at least that's all he's mentioned). I've known people dependent on alcohol/cigarettes (not that they'd admit it) who have taken mushrooms but it struck them like a funny party trick - I think either 1) if you're inclined towards alcohol and cigarette consumption, you likely don't have the capacity for attention that can really flower in response to psychedelics to begin with or 2) the alcohol/cigarettes themselves dull your capacity for attention to such an extent that you can't appreciate psychedelics in their full capacity.
It depends what you mean by drags, for example magic mushrooms are not drugs, people who use them can understand, weed off course is a drag because it makes you sleepy and slow, also it grows you the addiction, on the other hand magic mushrooms never get you addicted. In most of the things I agree with jidu but not on this one, no one can be so absolute, not even him
The writer was Huxley right?
The title is very misleading. Worst than Stoner's Pot Store.
"I've never done drugs but I'm certain they have no value whatsoever." Case closed? Who's to say that the experience drugs produce is purely chemical? Surely some drugs (lsd, dmt) have noteworthy interactions with non-physical consciousness. It's absolutely true that enlightenment cannot be reached by getting loaded all the time but to say there's no value in drugs is a surprisingly ignorant statement.
All your experience is basically chemical. There‘s no „this is physical and this is spiritual“
He said for a mind that is inquiring about the truth have no value to drugs.
Also, I would like to ask what value do you think drugs have ?
@@hrithikjyani2254 Drugs are dangerous. Period. They're also often used in a way that represents "spiritual bypassing" a.k.a. wanting enlightenment but not being willing to do the necessary work to get there. I know lots of people, myself included, who have had very important experiences on drugs that served as a stepping stone for spiritual development. Drugs are not the answer. Drugs kill people. But they do have value to some people's spiritual journey... at least at the beginning. Ram Dass said that taking psychedelics was like going for a fun plane ride... you always have to land. When he went to India and was exposed to people who were already on a permanent natural high he realized what he wanted. Meditation, prayer, ritual, being of service, commitment to study, taking an honest look at your own shortcomings... these are the way forward to a higher state of awareness. But, at the beginning, drugs can help show us that there's more to reality than the job, the car and the girl. Peace.
@@melvinkandolf2050 Based on what evidence? The hard problem of consciousness is still the bogeyman of the materialist-reductionist paradigm. I believe firmly that consciousness is a separate entity that is not bound by ordinary laws & rules. If you were colour-blind, you could know everything there is to know about the colour red from a scientific standpoint but that wouldn't get you any closer to the experience of red a.k.a. the 'what-it's-like-ness" of red. That experience is made possible by a perceiving consciousness that isn't a physical entity otherwise this issue would have been put to rest years ago. Of course, there are those that say that consciousness is an illusion. But how do you KNOW that it's an illusion? You know (or think you know) because your perceiving consciousness is there to witness it. Peace to all.
@@benr91what evidence do you have that consciousness is a sperate entity not bound by ordinary laws or rules? Which laws and which rules are we talking about?
Could the speaker be contradictory?
Everyone is made different..
Don't judge nor study it...
People use it for many diff reasons..
Don't just get attached to the experience..
In fact...get attached to nothing
Drugs is such a generic and subjective term.
Not try to be to serious life is short laugh more 😊❤
Which talk is this from?
become formless
i have taken them all from Cannabis Alcohol to DMT
I like Krishna, however in this clip affirming that drugs are of no value....and never having taken shrooms or DMT, is downright silly for such an Iconic "speaker"
Catnip, is it?
Gotta love all the drug defenders in the comments lmao
Its the drugs speaking.
@@nexstory😂😂😂
Here he makes a mistake: If you didn't make an experience with an object, don't talk about it. Everything you say is suggestion and doesn't reach an experienced one.
I get weirded out when he addresses himself in 3rd person.
You need to know his lingo to understand why. In his dialogues "The me", "The I", "The Self" which humans speak of and from all the time, is one of the causes of wars and pain in the world.
It's because the punchline of a lot of this is that you aren't the same thing as your thoughts and your thoughts don't really belong to you (same with your body and so on) - instead you're this like shapeless, pure subjectivity. "The speaker" is just referring to the body/vocal chords/brain etc. that are currently speaking, as opposed to who *he* actually is (a centreless subjectivity).
a heighten perception? .the side effects make it not worthwhile. give it up
I have to disagree with you on this k .
Natural plants,mushrooms etc can be beneficial to the brain of living sentient beings.
Beyond the conditioning beyond the thought of rewards of enlightenment.
Prevent suffering is the mission all sentient beings.
Life, it makes the harmable and then it harms it.
It's insane.
Mozzie Effist whilst i love enlightened teaching they seem to be nieve with drugs JK Osho Echart Tolle Echart Tolle has tryd them Sadguru that is where the awakend fail by thinking drugs are bad
@@timothywait9457 drugs aren't bad but the issue is something else
I thought this video was him doing a drug :(
Oh he did, you missed it.
"Reality is for people who can't face drugs."
Tom Waits
Drugs are bad, mmkay?
probably one of his worst takes, but you always have to consider the audience hes talking to are probably some stupid hippies.
Also K seems to be materialist in the sense that matter creates conciousness.
We now know they psychedelics reduce brain activity yet creat hyper real experiences as well as near deaths etc. wich doesnt make sense in that framework. Id be glad if some one can clarify since he seems to make an exeption for him self in regards to the origin of conciousness.
where did he say that matter creates conciousness? pretty sure he was talking about the mind.
I also don't aggre with his take on this as one experience made me give up all drugs including coffe and ciggaretes and made me devote myself to meditation in order to get back into that state but also retain it. I think for people raised in the west and completly detached from any spirituality as is usualy the case I think its the only way for people to truly take up the search otherwise they would just get sidetracked or scof it of as fairlytales from the east. He was born and raised with spirituality in mind so im sure he can't understand how important drugs are for westeners when it comes to seeking the truth.
Have you ever tried to meditate while hung over? Or remain mindful while drunk? It's basically impossible - most drugs (sans psychedelics - but even then you need a certain attentional capacity to even appreciate the full depth of what those can provide) really do make it harder to pay attention to reality
I've tried...and it was perfect!
Pretentious waste of time.
This vid or drugs :D
@@okcomputer6033 this vid. Many drugs are also a waste of time. Some are not.
@Sohal I don't understand what you are asking.
@@Dziaji Which drugs aren't a waste of time?
@@TheStruggler101 shrooms are definitely not, unless you are using them in such a way. A single medium strength dose of shrooms can drastically change your life for the better. It can force you to reevaluate your mindset and behavior.
If you have PTSD issues, or are otherwise emotionally stuck in some way, a medium dose of ketamine can get you unstuck (it may take a few doses spaced out over a few months).
Marijuana is really good for people with low appetite, insomnia, or anxiety/depression, or to unwind as recreation (but that last one could be considered a waste of time).
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Ayahuasca 😂
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