my thoughts exactly. the idea of a lock is to make the thief take extra time to make their illegal entry. unless noise isn't a problem. like when a brother walks down the street with a boombox on his shoulder for all to hear to cover the noise of the pair of hoods breaking your car into pieces to sell on the colored (black) market. this would require them to carry a really long metal rod and other stuff to steal your bike/trailer etc.
So in other words, popping the hinge pin out wouldn't have helped at all. The locking... thing... would still be screwed on and the posts for the hinge pin would prevent it from turning.
Except, the point of the lock is like handcuffs. The chains go through the loop. Remove the loop and the prisoner is free. I'm not sure of the rest of the system. Is the prisoner attached to steel cuffs? To a chain gang? Maybe this is for something like a hasp on a door.
@@firesurfer I don't know whether or not that is actually the case. Perhaps it could be. However that doesn't change the fact that the loop still can't be removed even if the hinge pin is removed. So even so, chains couldn't be taken out of the loop.
Also I think the hinge pin would be on the secure side of the door. The hole for the key is on the outside, then you have like 10cm for the thickness of the door and the rest of the lock is on the inside.
@@tharqal2764 I disagree. Both sides must be operable at the same time. If one side was on one side of a door and the other on another side of a door, then you wouldn't be able to close it and screw the screw in. So you need to be able to reach both sides at the same time.
Lets go into the cave of darkness.....Shoves pencil camera into tight hole in the lock...... After he screwed the hole for some time, he discovered that he had a nut....
What a strange lock!. That camera is sweet as it gives a great view of what is inside of a lock. I like how you make a tool to get an open. As always another great video Bill..
Just wanted to say, "Thank you." The instructional videos have helped me get better at picking. A couple of days ago, I got a Commando padlock open. I loved the moment when I got backwards rotation and knew what was going on!
I guess there was a clue in how tight the end of the half shackle thing, was secured to the end of the tube. Almost as if it were being pulled tightly towards it.
@@mikestone9129 Doubt you will believe me, but I actually did figure it out based on that. Not that I was certain exactly, but for a really old lock like that to still hold tight it had to be something and a screw just came to mind.
When the lock was made there weren't any small cameras like that. So at the time is was really hard to figure out what to out in the hole. Not even flashlights (that probably wasn't invented either) worked.
I doubt i'm alone in saying that i would love to see more of the machining process! when you start talking about mils and mills, it gets me excited for a lot of technical knowledge, even though i do not possess myself a three axis mill, or a metal lathe. one of these days!
Ironically this is wildly more secure than almost any lock you've shown since it requires a special tool. So long as they don't catch on in popularity.
had it figured once the interior was shown, but yeah, actually getting it open is another beast entirely. doesnt matter if you know how it opens if you cant figure out how to actualy do it
Hi Bill. This reminded me of some uh, "recreational shackles," I used to sell at a previous job. I understand the idea behind the rustic look. They were some decent metal and machining. The key however, was pot metal. And cast to boot. They would drill and tap it to fit an inner spring and plte assembly. That would slowly go up as you turn the key and disengage the shackle latch. And strip the key if used too much. We started selling spares it happened so often 🤣
It's like a cousin of the Darby style handcuff lock. Those locks (the Darby style) are still used as anti-vandal security on the English canal network, securing sluices, lock gates, bridges, pedestrian and vehicle gates, etc; where there are tens of thousands of key holders and thousands of locks (the canals are mostly boater operated).
When he showed how tightly the end cap was fitted against the body, with no movement, my first thought was a screw, warded by the disc. Insert key past the disc, rotate a number of turns to undo the screw. I was very pleased to see this was the case.
One video I'd love to see is one where you pick the newest ABLOY lock core (I think the model was called Sento). I have one of those in my door and the key suggests it is a hard nut to crack.
As soon as I saw it I thought of antique Darby Cuffs, similar mechanism though in the cuffs it's a spring loaded pin you have to thread into a key to pull it back. I have a vintage set here.
I'm sure I've seen something of similar concept before. It reminded me of old style handcuffs/shackles for securing prisoners, though execution of the lock mechanism is similar, the key is very much like a modern handcuff key/s.
Hi, Bill. that's about as much work as I have seen you do to get a lock open. Most of it off-screen of course. I wonder what could be locked with it. What could the strange shackle lock? A draw bridge? Maybe the shaft is the actual bolt and the hasp is just to keep it in place. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
This really looks more secure than a lot of the modern locks, but that may be only due to the fact that it is such a rare and unusual design - if more people used this kind of lock, everyone would have such a tool in their arsenal and suddenly it would not be secure at all
Always interested in very old locks; as a blacksmith I like thinking about how I would forge something like that. Good detective work to figure it out!
As per the camera images, probably you'll even no need more than hollow bar that can get a grip on the center post. It seems welded to the rotating part. No pin needed if it can get enough fit to the post.
For future reference, when encountering a 100+ year old lock with poor machining that is tightly locked with no clearance, it's probably secured by a threaded element that tightens on itself. Many of these old locks are simple screw mechanisms with a deep recess and some simple warding to restrict access to the threaded locking mechanism.
Considering how the lock was probably forged by a blacksmith, making a key like that would be out of the realm of many who would try to pick it. Nice idea for keeping something secure.
This reminds me a bit of a key I had on my garage door till 20 years or so ago. It was a mass produced soviet / russian lock for garages and industrial buildings. From the early 90s. I''ve been trying to find one from the flea markets for a while now, just so i could send it to you for picking. I'll let you know when i find one.
But getting them inside a solid metal tube seems difficult. Maybe make it a cylinder with small drilled holes, that is then secured in position by flush rivets from the outside. The cool think about a screw at the end is that it takes many rotations to get the thing open. That's probably not something you get done with a very long pick.
Nice -- I think you were "pulling our legs" a bit, in that you had "no idea" how this "high security" lock might have worked; ya right. You certainly made a fine key that worked perfectly. Good job - fun and entertaining video
My guess...it's a long screwdriver that unscrews the end. And I was right for once lol. It reminds me of the many tamper locks we installed long ago on cable PED’s to keep customers from hooking up their own cable.
That's actually a very cool lock. I think picking one "in the field" with the normal lockpicking tools would be impossible. You need to know how it works and have a very specific tool to open it. I'd say that is a very secure lock even nowadays.
easy to find out the mechanism but well, as a picker in the field do you have tools to open such a thing? imagine it in hardened steel so you cant simply saw it open - you would need a really long and thin screwdriver to put it in and even then you cant really see the inside of the lock. i could think of an addition: to add some kind of teeth to the rim of the tip so that part cannot be turned if someone saws through the shackle once, so you would either have to pick it (and figure out how) or saw it at least twice.
I love it!!! I saw design and then the inside of the lock and thought "that's probably just a screw, but I could be wrong" (they were not uncommon in Europe and even in the US the before about 1900) but that's the thing with antiques locksmithing, unless you've seen the EXACT thing before, you're never 100% sure of ANYTHING until you do it. lol.... Sometimes's it's simple design but clever idea like the screw locks, or single lifts with complicated warding, and sometimes its.... "Well it looks like a standard large key, screw or single lever lift warded lock, so far (looks through scope).... WOW... THAT'S A LOT OF LEVERS!!!! WTF MADE THIS THING?!?!? I'm gonna need to do some research" Great work getting it open Bill!!! It's all troubleshooting... Do what makes sense and if that doesn't work, figure out why, and go from there!!!
Looking to reproduce this. Is the internal mechanism simply a bolt with the head removed and a washer with a groove welded to it near the thread end? Then a non grooved washer welded to the lock body?
The "mechanism" consists of a) the threaded screw, b) a round, thick washer with a notch in the edge, and c) a spike sticking out from the washer. These are all welded together into one unit, which moves freely inside the lock tube -- all the way to the keyhole if you want. The tube could be considerably shorter and still work just as well; I think the length is just to make it more difficult to "pick".
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the key for this kind of lock would not be unique at all: if someone had this same type of lock for themselves, their key would open all other such locks, provided the size was approximately correct.
Dude, im wondering if an appropriately sized dowel with a nail driven into the end at the right spot and a hole drilled down a little wouldnt have been faster.
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Medieval Sweden, still more secure than Masterlock...........
Masterlook seems to be the appretince and he is faking his master degree.
my thoughts exactly. the idea of a lock is to make the thief take extra time to make their illegal entry. unless noise isn't a problem. like when a brother walks down the street with a boombox on his shoulder for all to hear to cover the noise of the pair of hoods breaking your car into pieces to sell on the colored (black) market. this would require them to carry a really long metal rod and other stuff to steal your bike/trailer etc.
Uhh, there's a joke about medieval Sweden being more secure than modern day Sweden somewhere, but I aint touching it...
@@mursuhillo242 Olen kuullut, mutta ei tarkkaan muistu mieleeni ........
@Viktor Turtle Vi hade ABLOY, numera vet jag inte om det har gått ihop .............
So in other words, popping the hinge pin out wouldn't have helped at all.
The locking... thing... would still be screwed on and the posts for the hinge pin would prevent it from turning.
Except, the point of the lock is like handcuffs. The chains go through the loop. Remove the loop and the prisoner is free. I'm not sure of the rest of the system. Is the prisoner attached to steel cuffs? To a chain gang? Maybe this is for something like a hasp on a door.
@@firesurfer I don't know whether or not that is actually the case. Perhaps it could be.
However that doesn't change the fact that the loop still can't be removed even if the hinge pin is removed. So even so, chains couldn't be taken out of the loop.
Also I think the hinge pin would be on the secure side of the door. The hole for the key is on the outside, then you have like 10cm for the thickness of the door and the rest of the lock is on the inside.
@@tharqal2764 I disagree. Both sides must be operable at the same time. If one side was on one side of a door and the other on another side of a door, then you wouldn't be able to close it and screw the screw in.
So you need to be able to reach both sides at the same time.
@@ANoBaka Well that is a medieval padlock, however there are similar versions that are door mounted.
"My post could've been a little longer, I've heard that line before" DUDE!! it is not even April LOL
Lets go into the cave of darkness.....Shoves pencil camera into tight hole in the lock......
After he screwed the hole for some time, he discovered that he had a nut....
i had been too long since i'd heard a good crude joke from BosnianBill
"What'll they come up with next? That's better than a (OUTRO MUSIC)"
BETTER THAN A WHAT, BILL?!
I don't think you'll
Master lock 😂😂
Nice to see some of our old treasures shown here.
Tack Leif!
Leif is the man! 👍 🇸🇪
Svensk kvalitet! 😂
What is this type of lock called?
People used to build things better back then but you have the satisfaction of finding out the hard way. Nice one.
John from UK
What a strange lock!. That camera is sweet as it gives a great view of what is inside of a lock. I like how you make a tool to get an open. As always another great video Bill..
Just wanted to say, "Thank you." The instructional videos have helped me get better at picking. A couple of days ago, I got a Commando padlock open. I loved the moment when I got backwards rotation and knew what was going on!
We need more Swedish stuff on this channel
There are so few people with this name in the US I honestly said to myself "I don't remember sending any locks anywhere."
There are 34000 Leif in Sweden. (And another 30000 or so that have it as a... whatever it's called, "secondary first name"?
Thank you Bill, for the awesome videos and the tremendous amount of knowledge that you shared within them. I wish you a happy retirement! God bless!
I guess there was a clue in how tight the end of the half shackle thing, was secured to the end of the tube. Almost as if it were being pulled tightly towards it.
Hind sight is 20/20.
Yeah, almost!
@@mikestone9129 Doubt you will believe me, but I actually did figure it out based on that.
Not that I was certain exactly, but for a really old lock like that to still hold tight it had to be something and a screw just came to mind.
When the lock was made there weren't any small cameras like that. So at the time is was really hard to figure out what to out in the hole. Not even flashlights (that probably wasn't invented either) worked.
The simple designs/solutions are always the best ones ;-)
Wow I like this lock
That's actually a seriously secure lock! What a great item to see, thank you Leif!
Even if you had knocked that pin out, you couldn't have opened it. Very secure for an old lock
Woooow. Awesome simplicity!
Very cool indeed!
Great vid once again Bill!
Simplicity over complexity 👍
You deserve the beer for your efforts
Even if an attacker has the key, if you can screw harder than he can unscrew you are still good
This is unique. Heard about your retirement, thanks for all that you e done
Thanks for the trip, loved it.
Excellent video made even better when you break out the lathe and milling machine!! LOVE IT!!!
I doubt i'm alone in saying that i would love to see more of the machining process! when you start talking about mils and mills, it gets me excited for a lot of technical knowledge, even though i do not possess myself a three axis mill, or a metal lathe. one of these days!
"All it is, is a screw."
There's some punch lines here I'm sure, but...
He was screwed by a lock
that joke just hit the spot
"My post could have been longer" and I'm dying over here
Ironically this is wildly more secure than almost any lock you've shown since it requires a special tool. So long as they don't catch on in popularity.
Putting it on your keyring would be a little impracticable.
@@firesurfer Well, for women its not really a problem, will fit in my bag for sure.
Wow Bill you are a genius just to figure it out. Great job Mr.Bill
Wow, what an amazing lock! Thank you for sharing this. A little different from the regular locks you usually show, but still really interesting.
That is a cool combination of warding and the post hole method used on lever locks.
What an awesome lock 🔒👍
had it figured once the interior was shown, but yeah, actually getting it open is another beast entirely. doesnt matter if you know how it opens if you cant figure out how to actualy do it
Hi Bill. This reminded me of some uh, "recreational shackles," I used to sell at a previous job. I understand the idea behind the rustic look. They were some decent metal and machining. The key however, was pot metal. And cast to boot. They would drill and tap it to fit an inner spring and plte assembly. That would slowly go up as you turn the key and disengage the shackle latch. And strip the key if used too much. We started selling spares it happened so often 🤣
It's like a cousin of the Darby style handcuff lock. Those locks (the Darby style) are still used as anti-vandal security on the English canal network, securing sluices, lock gates, bridges, pedestrian and vehicle gates, etc; where there are tens of thousands of key holders and thousands of locks (the canals are mostly boater operated).
Really ingenious design. I like it.
Exquisite simplicity
Awesome looking lock!! Great job figuring this out!!
Really enjoyed that process!!! Keep 'em coming!!
Bill wasn't saying that the lock itself was Medieval, but that the design/plans for it were.
Nice job! Great video.
Of all the channels yours is☝️
I used to have a set of old (presumably US) prison shackles with a similar design. They got lost somewhere when I moved.
Enjoy the content A lot of learning information think I’ll make your channel part of my sons Homeschool curriculum !
I think you deserve several beers for this one Bill!
More of these older locks, please!
Sweet style lock.👍
That is genius so simple but brilliant - in real life terms unless you know the trick, unpickable
Great video!
Now that was a very cool old lock and an extremely long key !! Bet that key was a real pain to carry !
When he showed how tightly the end cap was fitted against the body, with no movement, my first thought was a screw, warded by the disc. Insert key past the disc, rotate a number of turns to undo the screw. I was very pleased to see this was the case.
If this style of lock was common, you could make it more confusing by using a left-hand thread.
Awesome concept for a lock
Such a cool & interesting lock. Great video & Have a great week. 👍
Stupid screws. Thanks Bill great video as always!!
One video I'd love to see is one where you pick the newest ABLOY lock core (I think the model was called Sento). I have one of those in my door and the key suggests it is a hard nut to crack.
As soon as I saw it I thought of antique Darby Cuffs, similar mechanism though in the cuffs it's a spring loaded pin you have to thread into a key to pull it back. I have a vintage set here.
Cheers from Sweden. Love your vidz!
Great video fun to see old lock ideas. Leif is prounced like layf (think layoff with out the o)
Love that. Simple, but effective. Gotta guild such a thing.
That's so surprisingly simple that it's good. ^^
Very cool!
Great vid Bill. What an unusual lock.
I love these Swedish locks.
Simple , great design .
“Oh, man, it took me three-plus hours to figure out a screw.” These days, I hear they have websites that let you do it quite a bit faster.
I'm sure I've seen something of similar concept before. It reminded me of old style handcuffs/shackles for securing prisoners, though execution of the lock mechanism is similar, the key is very much like a modern handcuff key/s.
Hi, Bill. that's about as much work as I have seen you do to get a lock open. Most of it off-screen of course. I wonder what could be locked with it. What could the strange shackle lock? A draw bridge? Maybe the shaft is the actual bolt and the hasp is just to keep it in place. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
This really looks more secure than a lot of the modern locks, but that may be only due to the fact that it is such a rare and unusual design - if more people used this kind of lock, everyone would have such a tool in their arsenal and suddenly it would not be secure at all
Always interested in very old locks; as a blacksmith I like thinking about how I would forge something like that. Good detective work to figure it out!
As per the camera images, probably you'll even no need more than hollow bar that can get a grip on the center post. It seems welded to the rotating part. No pin needed if it can get enough fit to the post.
For future reference, when encountering a 100+ year old lock with poor machining that is tightly locked with no clearance, it's probably secured by a threaded element that tightens on itself. Many of these old locks are simple screw mechanisms with a deep recess and some simple warding to restrict access to the threaded locking mechanism.
Considering how the lock was probably forged by a blacksmith, making a key like that would be out of the realm of many who would try to pick it. Nice idea for keeping something secure.
This reminds me a bit of a key I had on my garage door till 20 years or so ago. It was a mass produced soviet / russian lock for garages and industrial buildings. From the early 90s. I''ve been trying to find one from the flea markets for a while now, just so i could send it to you for picking. I'll let you know when i find one.
You could increase security by adding warding to the tongue, both in the insert direction and the rotation plane.
Good, STRONG looking lock. 👍
But getting them inside a solid metal tube seems difficult.
Maybe make it a cylinder with small drilled holes, that is then secured in position by flush rivets from the outside.
The cool think about a screw at the end is that it takes many rotations to get the thing open. That's probably not something you get done with a very long pick.
Very cool lock and video
Nice -- I think you were "pulling our legs" a bit, in that you had "no idea" how this "high security" lock might have worked; ya right. You certainly made a fine key that worked perfectly. Good job - fun and entertaining video
Looks like Bill got "Screwed".
Looks like the secret to this lock was in what my resolution to this problem would have been.... "ahhh screw-it" ... thanks Bill!
My guess...it's a long screwdriver that unscrews the end.
And I was right for once lol. It reminds me of the many tamper locks we installed long ago on cable PED’s to keep customers from hooking up their own cable.
I love the design!
Love the ToeJam and Earl music.
A screw as a lock, now that is impressive!
that lock cam is cool
Interesting lock
I think I shall make one with a fine pitch lefthand thread!
I'd love to see someone use that in NYC and record the bike thieves reactions.
@@TheTutch I don't think they would fit around the mechanism.
That's actually a very cool lock. I think picking one "in the field" with the normal lockpicking tools would be impossible. You need to know how it works and have a very specific tool to open it. I'd say that is a very secure lock even nowadays.
Once you know, it's always easier, ha ha. 3+ hours? You sure have a lot of time on your hands. Thanks for the vid, stay safe.
Looks like someone's weekend garage idea project.
That was very interesting
easy to find out the mechanism but well, as a picker in the field do you have tools to open such a thing? imagine it in hardened steel so you cant simply saw it open - you would need a really long and thin screwdriver to put it in and even then you cant really see the inside of the lock. i could think of an addition: to add some kind of teeth to the rim of the tip so that part cannot be turned if someone saws through the shackle once, so you would either have to pick it (and figure out how) or saw it at least twice.
I love it!!! I saw design and then the inside of the lock and thought "that's probably just a screw, but I could be wrong" (they were not uncommon in Europe and even in the US the before about 1900) but that's the thing with antiques locksmithing, unless you've seen the EXACT thing before, you're never 100% sure of ANYTHING until you do it. lol.... Sometimes's it's simple design but clever idea like the screw locks, or single lifts with complicated warding, and sometimes its....
"Well it looks like a standard large key, screw or single lever lift warded lock, so far (looks through scope).... WOW... THAT'S A LOT OF LEVERS!!!! WTF MADE THIS THING?!?!? I'm gonna need to do some research"
Great work getting it open Bill!!! It's all troubleshooting... Do what makes sense and if that doesn't work, figure out why, and go from there!!!
Looking to reproduce this. Is the internal mechanism simply a bolt with the head removed and a washer with a groove welded to it near the thread end? Then a non grooved washer welded to the lock body?
The "mechanism" consists of a) the threaded screw, b) a round, thick washer with a notch in the edge, and c) a spike sticking out from the washer. These are all welded together into one unit, which moves freely inside the lock tube -- all the way to the keyhole if you want. The tube could be considerably shorter and still work just as well; I think the length is just to make it more difficult to "pick".
Live your thought pattern as you worked your way through making a key. That's not the first lock secured by a thread that's caused you hours of work.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the key for this kind of lock would not be unique at all: if someone had this same type of lock for themselves, their key would open all other such locks, provided the size was approximately correct.
Bill opens a master lock with nothing but a screwdriver (gone wrong!!)
Masterlock could learn things from such an old lock
I have a set of vintage handcuffs that work in a similar way
You could make a giant novelty key with all sorts of fake bidding on it all the way up the shaft
My first thought was that it is similar to a handcuff key design.
Dude, im wondering if an appropriately sized dowel with a nail driven into the end at the right spot and a hole drilled down a little wouldnt have been faster.
That was a good video, anyone know where to find that camera?