(1683) Disc Detainer Locks in Detail
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- With the Sparrows disc detainer pick release "imminent", video 1683 covers the design elements that let us pick them, as well as a few opening tips.
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This is my first time watching BB. I've been following the LPL for quite a while now. I must say, BB really explains this lock function very well. Thank you, BB!
It's literally the same for me, it's my first BB video and I'm going to stay on the channel
Now that he's retired from RUclips, might want to give all his vids a watch, since there not like be many more if at all.
@@TesserId I hope after a few years he comes back and we can see if he can still pick lol.
A year from your comment and the exact same for me. Too bad he's not making content anymore but I truly hope he enjoys his retirement
My thoughts exactly.
I never understood how the tensioning worked on a disc detainer. The scales have fallen from my eyes! lol
#metoo
same. light bulb for me.
Yeah, I didn't either- now I understand that it's pick a disk- hope you're putting tension on the right one.
@@junkman8742 the #metoo movement is a movement against sexual assault of women. the # sign is still called the pound sign in many countries. They called their anti-rape movement pound me too....
Soviet Russia sounds consensual, so no problem
Nice, now I understand why there is just one specific disc with maximum cut for tensioning. Thanks.
Yes, and on some locks it's in a random location (not top or bottom) making it very tricky but still doable.
Is there a general way to identify the tensioning disc? Or do you have to brute force and handle every disc as potential tensioning disc until you find the right one?
@@rainerminusunfug My two cents- What I do is simply try front first, if nothing is trying to set I try rear, usually one of them will get you all set or to the point when you can find the zero cut and counter rotate front or or rear disc.
Thx for the reply. So I guess if you are not tensioning the right disc (and thus the core), there is not enough pressure from the sidebar on the other discs, so no disc would _noticeable_ fall into it's gate? And the tensioning disc is always a zero cut because the peg has to make it to the far right and bind the core?
Haven't picket this lock type yet. So far, I'm just admiring and trying to understand them properly. :)
@@rainerminusunfug You just start tensioning from the first disc and feel the gates in other discs. When you find a gate with zero cut, that's the disc you tension to set the first disc. If you have a better made lock with actual false gates, then you need to start guessing. However, often the false gates are narrower and you can feel the difference without testing any other gates.
This… This was the video that allowed me to finally “get” disc detainer locks.
Thank you for your incredible contribution to the locksport community, Bill.
Enjoy your well-deserved retirement.
This pick's name should be
"The pick bosnian bill and i made"
TPBBAIM :)
@@phalcon23 Simply pronounced "The Baim pick"
@@avinotion The BB-Aim pick
@@avienated just pronunciation, not actual name.
Anyway, Sparrows released it, and simply called it the Disc Pick. And it's been out of stock for quite a while now, so I don't think they'll be making any more of them.
@@avinotion I know mate, I just suggested a different pronounciation (bebe-aim). That's what I'd call it.
Great visual! I am not surprised these are getting more common, it's a simple effective design with less parts, lower manufacturing complexity. Hopefully these replace those dreadful cheap wafer locks on consumer goods someday...
In fact they look they are amazingly easy to produce.
In Finland they're everywhere
and have been almost 100 years :D
@@a544jh It's also common in Post Soviet countries like Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and maybe some others
Those cheap locks with soft metals are really easy to manufacture and you could add false gates with zero additional cost which makes me wonder why the cheapest locks are having no false gates. The locks that Abloy makes have higher quality meaning the whole lock body is hardened steel and at least the first disc is also hardened steel and usually lacks the nibble to allow it fully rotate creating a drilling shield, too. Those locks tension from the last disc instead.
The pick was sold out in about two hours. There's a new batch in production.
its also now 1,000,000 dollars on their site XD
@@Enderbro3300 Depending on what you might find behind that lock, could be a good investment :)
With covid, they're late in production, and the second batch is still not available yet 😔
@@Enderbro3300 , that's just to prevent people from adding it to cart to reserve it.
It's available again everyone! I just ordered mine
I can't wait for "The pick Bosnianbill and LockPickingLawyer made" Version 2.0 where it has 3 telescoping parts for tension disks in the middle of the lock.
Bill, you've made some extremely good content over the years, especially your educational content. Stuff like this is gold, and this is up there with your best. Very clear explanation, you are awesome.
9:24. I finally understand what you and LPL have been doing inside those disc locks with your special tool.
Bill, you did an outstanding job explaining how this type of lock works. I'm not sure if you could also explain the difference in feelings of true gates vs false gate picking.
Agreed!
Thank you so much for this video. I've always wondered what you were talking about as you picked it because I never understood what was going on inside. Really great video.
Hearing Bills voice brought back so many memories,
Heard that you're retiring. Shame to see you go but I understand your reasons. Thanks for all the helpful advice and tips you've provided over the years and wishing you all the best for the future.
Love this cut out of a disc detainer lock and the inner workings as it's helped understand more about what happens inside and how the exploits work.
This is the best explanation of how disk detainer locks work that I've seen. Thanks Bill.
For those griping about how long it has taken for Sparrows to release this one very specialized tool, for a rather small consumer group.
Sure, there are many of us anxiously awaiting the chance to get one of these picks. Sure, it could've been a faster process if Sparrows didn't manufacture ANY OTHER PRODUCTS! But unfortunately, the equipment & facilities aren't just sitting there waiting to make the components for & assemble this one specific item. Other (& often more profitable) products are being made/assembled every day on those machines & in those facilities & it takes time to get all the necessary supplies for a production run on this type of item. Most consumers won't ever see how much is actually involved in getting all the machine tooling, correct adjustments, material sourcing, & overall logistics required for producing a product beyond the PROTOTYPE phase. I won't even get in to the vast amounts of time, resources, & man hours involved just in quality assurance aspects of a product before it reaches the consumer. Ultimately, the longer it takes to get all the important details right & establish a cost effective production process, the better the product will be, at a reasonable price point for consumers.
While i get your point about the most people have no idea part, i’m just gonna have to come out and say it: I’m massively disappointed in what was supposed to be a big reveal. I was so excited when i first saw bb n lpl’s version, what a beauty! But as someone who has produced comparable products, i think sparrows really sold out. And i feel bad for bb and lpl because of it. They asked for if to be affordable. But what it came out to be is cheap...
The sparrows one is literally the same as the fucking 57cent, well known china one, except it has the depth lines, which probably cost as much to produce as taking them out of the chuck...
I mean just look at the difference of their prototype to the final version...quod erat demonstrandum......
And i’m saying this as someone who has owned that china pick as well as a scandinavian disc detainer pick made by a machinist for a few hundred euros.
I don’t rly want to involve bb, since he had only the best interest, but even he seems to have noticed the lack in quality, with him talking about how careful to be. Any pick needs to be handled with care but quite frankly this video seems to be preventing a shitstorm due to fragility, issues with which the stainless and even brass version i bet didnt’t have to deal with.
I honestly was so ready to love this pick, but in my eyes its the same as the previous cheapo version, just in a nicer packaging.
A pot metal pick for pot metal locks...
Anyway, much love, and keep up the good work!
I wish somebody went to Sparrows factory with a camera and made a RUclips video or two about it!
Found the sparrow employee
Best explanation of disc detainer I've seen. Thank you!
That has to be your best ever video Bill. Just so informative and interesting.
I can't wait to buy the sparrows disc detainer pick that you and LPL designed.
This is such an awesome video explaining the awesome elements of disc designing. Thanks Bill, this truly helped me improve my knowledge of DD locks and picks.
Thanks for taking us to disc detainer school! That was incredibly informative, great for someone like me who hasn't attacked these yet. 😀👍
Huge gratitude for sharing such a thorough information. All the best and happy retirement!
Thank you for your consistently clear instruction. You are a great teacher, sir! I, like many, look forward to the release of the DD pick!
Finally an explanation of how these locks work. Thank you. Found this video very interesting.
Thanks for the in-depth explanation, can't wait to grab this pick and start tackling these!
Very thorough explanation Bill, always appreciate the time you take to break things down 👍🏻
This has completely changed my understanding of these locks. Thank you.
The original Abloy (patent in 1919) has key cuts only at one edge and the key shaft is a semi circle. The key can only be removed when it is turned fully back. Typically furthest (i.e deepest in the lock) cut is full 90 degrees and serves the purpose of pulling the door open from the key. Handy, if your other hand is occupied carrying your groceries or whatever. This of course is a desired feature if the door open outwards, as it does in many countries.
Thanks for all your videos. Enjoy your family time now.
Congratulations on your retirement Bill! Thanks for everything you’ve taught us!
Lots of videos on picking but this level of details in very appreciated and very understandable. Thnks 👍
Ive been looking for a while how these locks work and havent found in a way i actually understand. Thank you so much
This was the first video that I ever watched of yours, and this was just so incredibly enlightening! COVID gave me the time to pick up the hobby, but to keep it simple, I stuck to pin tumblers.
I've heard about your retirement, and want to wish you the very best! While I'll miss new content from you, I'm much happier knowing you're following your heart on the decision!
I've just picked up a disc detainer trainer lock, my very own sparrows pick, so I'm going to celebrate your retirement by finally picking up a new facet to this wonderful hobby! Manual meditation for mechanically minded fidgeters!
Lots of love to you, the whole community and best wishes!!
LPL has a divinely hypnotic voice. I find your content significantly more interesting, but even the most boring video by LPL is more pleasant to watch (actually just listen to). I like to put LPL playlist on in the background as soothing background noise. I watch your videos to learn. This was fantastic.
amazing how a look inside it combined with your explanations makes it seem so simple to understand. Thank you very much!
Thanks for all the info Bill, now I'm fully qualified to pick it when your new Sparrows pick comes out.😃👍👍👍
I don’t know what happened but we are going to miss your videos !!! You are my favorite locksmith and I have learned a lot from your videos !!! I hope all is well !!!
Thank you so much BB... this really helped me to understand how disk detainer locks work.
Happy retirement Bill. Take care of yourself and your family. All the best to you.
Enjoy every moment!
No. Thank you Bill. Your contribution to the community and sport has been nothing but stellar.
It's unfortunate you had to retire, but the reason way more unfortunate. I hope you return someday to explain us some new lock types and how to exploit em. Just like you did with this lock.
Wishing you the best of luck with the tasks you have now. God bless!
Fantastic video, Bill! This one really makes it easy to understand, especially for those of us who have a hard time translating a 2d drawing into 3d reality!
I have seen this video before and RUclips suggested it to me, so I viewed it again, i miss your videos but understand why you have gone quiet, wishing you a safe Christmas and a better 2022
from Perth Western Australia
Bill, you could not have timed this video better. During this lockdown I am focusing on the locks I struggle with the most. This being one of them. It gets more frustrating when I hear all you RUclips guys tell me how easy they are. Unlike pin tumblers I can't get my head around what is happening as I pick. Awesome help.
Miss u Bill have a good time relaxing.
Hi, great video. I enjoyed watching it. As an engineer I was interested/courious about the mechanics of a disc detainer lock. Really great explanation.
Although lock picking is not really my interest, I watched some of LPLs video for entertainment and must say, his and your videos are of great quality. The video about bike locks brought me to this video .
You will certainly be missed from the picking community, and I will miss the educational and entertaining videos which you presented. Best wishes from Birmingham (Al)
Great and very clear explanation, simpler in design than I thought.
I had a good idea how the inside of a disc detainer worked. It turns out I was basically right, but you have just taught me SOO much more
Enjoy your retirement sir! Thank you for sharing all your knowledge over the years.
Thanks Bill for a great explanation.
In South East Asia, where I've been for 10+yrs about 99% of the Medium to Large locks are all Dics Detainers, the only on Pin Tumblers are small locks and usually only 3 or maybe 4 pins.
Very nice explanation. I have learned so much from you and LPL the last couple years I been able to not only make tools but get pretty good at picking these locks. I found that using silver solder is excellent. I am still amazed at the strength of that stuff. Thank you Bill
This was an excellent runthrough for someone like me who isn't very mechanically inclined. The cutaways were excellent and you made the mechanism seem really simple. Very cool!
Thank you Bosnianbill for the detailed explanation of how disc detainer work! LPL specifically mentioned about novices (me) possibly breaking the pick easily but your video will definitely help to prevent that from happening. Hope Sparrows will have the pick back in stock soon.
That was a great lesson. Very cool to see how the lock works and how the pick is used.
Cool video . It's the first video i see how well explain the disc detainer locks. well done sir. now I understand better the operation
Ive been watching TLPL for a while now and seen this pick but Ive never seen him explain how the lock works like BB just did. Thanks BB
Great video! Very informative and no fluff or rattling on. Well done.
This was an awesome video, Bill. I really appreciate the explanation of the mechanics of the lock. I would love to see more like this.
I love videos like this that explain well. Too many videos do as if we already knew.
thanks Bill, now I have some idea of how disc cores work
Great explanation, I've always asked myself how these types of locks work. Thank you!
Cool! Thanks for putting this together, Bill, I had been wondering how exactly the disk detainer locks worked. Pins made sense intuitively, so did slider sidebars, but disks didn't.
I feel like I need to get that pick and LPL's pick set fairly soon...
Very cool video. Been watching you and LPL pick these locks for years, and I can't say I really understood what was going on in the lock until now. Now I get why you start by turning the discs as far clockwise as they'll go. I hope sparrow can make more of these picks soon.
Love your teaching and showing style…..if you ever make more videos, I’ll happily watch those. When I am working on a technique or a build, I watch your vids more than once and look for other ones you may have made on the subject. You may find that your can create at a slower pace for new videos relying on your existing library to continue to work for you….”If” you ever wanted to come back. If not, best of luck with whatever you do.
Wow this is really cool. I bought that disc pick from Sparrows and have been trying it for a few days now on a lock and am getting nowhere. thanks for showing us how the lock functions.
That cleared a *lot* of questions from my head. Thank you, sir!
Fantastic video showing and explaining how this type of lock works!
Thank you for all of your informative and thoughtful videos, enjoy your retirement Bill!!
Thank you for your work. Happy retirement, enjoy your life and if you feel the need don't shy away from making a video now and then 😉
Thanks Bill. This was very helpful in understanding how these locks work.
Thank you for all the wisdom. Enjoy your retirement!
I think the different radius in the body to the side bar is not for dirt, etc. but to provide that camming action to push the sidebar in. W/o, you'd need springs, gravity... Great video BB! Big fan of you and LPL...
Very helpful video, Thanks! I saw you and LPL picking those a lot but never knew how they worked.
Very good explanation, nice visuals and perfect pacing.
I built many picks for disc detainers. Hit and miss, luck mostly. I wanna see your new pick too!
I would love to see Sparrows make a cutaway disc detainer training lock. Until then, I can safely rely on BosnianBill to explain how it works.
You could just get a cheap disc detainer lock with detachable core and drill a big hole through the lock after removing the core. There's all the cutaway you need to see the moving parts. As long as the hole diameter is less than the length of sidebar and you drill in the middle of the core, the lock works just fine because sidebar can slide over the hole.
A disc tumbler or disc detainer lock was invented by Finnish founder of Abloy, Emil Henriksson (1886-1959) in 1907 and first manufactured under the Abloy brand in 1918 in Finland.
Thanks BB for showing how a DD lock works! Hope your life is going well after (semi) retiring!
Bill, you have been a real pleasure to watch, to listen to and to learn from. From this fanboy, transitioning to Fangirl, enjoy your family and life and most of all happy retirement
Enjoy your retirement, thanks for all the great videos from Bosnia
Absolutely excellent video my friend. Looking forward too see the release of the new design from sparrows. 😎
Well done on explaining this in so much detail
Subscribed because you're Bosnian 🥰, the content is pretty awesome as well 👍🏼
Currently in stock. I've been interested in these locks for a looooong time. Should be fun to play with.
Just took apart n old disc style combination lock, its neat this popped ip today!
Awesome, i finally understand disc locks! Thanks
Thank you for all your amazing content and knowledge.
Was going to get some new lock picking stuff anyway (pinning tray, followers, knife, etc.) so i guess i'll wait for Sparrows to release the "pick Bosnianbill and i made", and get everything from them, since the shipping to Finland is usually quite costly.
Thanks yet again for a great video explaining how these locks work!
what a beautiful mechanism
Fantastic break-down and explanation, Bill. Thanks.
Hope you're doing ok - 1st time watching after LL mentioned you're retiring
Cheers Bill, just the video I was looking for
Have a happy and healthy retirement, Bill
thanks for the detailed explanation, bill … easier to understand what's happening b'hind the scenes.
Thanks so much for your explanation. Regards from Russia
This is really amazing. Thanks for the education!
And suddenly it all makes sense!
Congrats on retirement bill! Been a big fan for awhile.
I always looked at my bicycle lock thinking man, this key must be so dificult to pick. Now that you've shown how it operates. I'm like, okay I need that pick and have a go at it :D
Just ordered my Sparrows Disc Dectainer Lock Pick 10/2/2020 !!
Wow thank you I'm always watching lockpick lawyer do these locks but iv never really understood what he was doing. I just watch these videos from entertainment point of view.