Ken Clarke MP on Brexit chaos, being a Tory rebel and answering critics
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2018
- Ken Clarke has been a Member of Parliament for almost five decades. As the longest serving MP, he talks to Krishnan about why Brexit is in such chaos, his long-standing Conservative views and why he thinks it’s important politicians talk honestly to the media.
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Great man. He says what he believes & means what he says. Did not pretend to be a free marketeer in Thatcher’s time to advance himself. True to himself. Charming. A rare gem in politics.
We will all be poorer when Ken finally retires from Politics. We need his calm demeanour and common sense now more than ever.
Correct - we will all be paying his pension.
His calm demeanour and common sense are badly needed right now!
He is one is the decent tories ,intelligent, empathic and thrown out of the party by fascists
@@jeremysmith8035 spot on unfortunately. And we’re stuck with the incompetents currently running the show and the media are too timid to call out how dreadful they are.
I've always liked Ken, always interesting, sensible and middle of the road, and always speaks his mind.
hallmark2012 just fat cats
One of the true political greats.
LOL.
LOL! Behave yourself, hes one of the most risible politicians that i've ever had the misfortune to come across. LOL.
He's been a tory all his life and now that he's had a good innings he wants to hand this country over to the EU. I hope the old bastards retirement is very short.
Political great? Ask the NHS workers from the 80's how great he was!! Ken Clarke as chancellor was caupible for black Wednesday and 3 million unemployed. Please drop the rose tinted spectacles..
@@lawrencecaile 'Hand over' that totally misses the point that WE were a major PART of the democratic institution called the EU! Running away from reality, pulling up the draw bridge and manning the ramparts is a bit like the Albanian experience-its a thrust for power, the demonetisation of the EU (which you like to go along with) is a convenient vehicle!!
A relative of mine worked with him when he was a minister and she used to say that he'd go off at lunchtime and come back hours later pissed everyday !
Everyone used to have a liquid lunch. Nowadays people queue all round canary wharf to "onboard carbs" or pick up a protein shake.
Yeah gazza you are in a lot of trouble mathew and sarah eliot run johnson from 55 tufton street where billlionare anarchist capitalists plan brexit.they want no .cops.no courts.no health care.no rights no pensions no minimum wages. Ribert kock tge us billionarre and barara koln head of austrain bank had their plans rejected by tge eu which is why you are out.best of luck from madrid
Ken Clarke, Michael Heseltine and John Bercow are the voice of wisdom
Control and greed.
Voice of sanity - yes, voice of wisdom ? Only within right wing opinion !
Bercow has a vanity and self regard the other two lacked.
Never voted or thought of voting Conservative. However, brilliant interview and completely changed my opinion of Kenneth Clark- such a clever guy.
Ken is one of the last remaining voices of reason in the Commons. Be a sad day when he retires. Great man.
Whether it’s Brexit, or remain, one thing we can be certain of, the rich will get richer while the poor will get poorer.
I never supported him politically but he knows what he's talking about. Dismissing someone like Ken Clarke is typical of people who lost the argument, won the vote and now wonder why their stupidity can't be delivered.
Patrick H glad you love the fourth Reich.worked out well for Greece,Portugal, Spain and Ireland didn't it?
I really enjoyed this interview. Thank you.
Good video. Well done Channel 4 for this long form in-depth format. Stick this on TV as well, you are not Joe Rogan :). The masses are more intelligent than you think... If they're not, they can learn.
I like Kenneth Clarke. He makes good points here.
I've always had a lot of respect for this guy. Nice to hear someone explain their position in a calm and reasoned manner. If we had more like him, we'd be in a much better place.
Never voted Tory, but was always a fan of Ken
just come across your podcast Krishnan. Thanks for this, very much needed.
Well I’m not a conservative but old Ken Clarke talks a lot of sense and it’s good to see he recognises what the governments of 80s, 90s, 00s and current did wrong unlike so many politicians.
"" In hindsight we didn't realize that a large part of the population were being left behind "" - "" We failed to ensure that rapid economic growth was shared widely"" - some honest hindsight from 20:00
Ken was the best Chancellor we have had in my lifetime. He followed economic theory to the letter. Gordon Brown continued with Kens plans, because they were so good for the country. He has his views on europe, and he should be totally free to have them. But this man is no fool
He has his thoughts and I have mine. I like to hear his arguements and value what he says, even though I believe the opposite. We don't need to hate people who don't believe what we do. That is not a society I want to live in.
all I said was I value his opinion. This appreciation of him was from his role as chancellor, and he was the best chancellor I've known. Its good to hear both sides. We don't have to be so personal when his view differ from ours
Will never forget his reply when asked why he returned his mobile phone.
People kept ringing me. He said.
I told them to write to me. They seldom did.
Ken Clarke is a thoroughly decent man. He's a rarity in the Conservative Party these days, because he speaks such common sense. A man of principles: good principles.
I've never voted Tory, never will, but Ken is a very decent chap, a genuine One-Nation Tory, what Tories used to be before Thatcher took up Hayek's neoliberalism, called it Thatcherism, and convinced Blair and his 'New Labour' Party that they should adopt it too..
Neoliberalism got us into this mess, and has to end. Strangely though, people still fail to see it - they've just voted in _another_ neoliberal government, and people that get pissed off with this one and would rather vote for Boris and Rees-Mogg or a revivified UKIP would be voting for yet more neoliberals, yet they _still_ have NO clue that they are voting against their own interest.
Ken, at least, will be speaking up against it when we are reduced to being the US' newest colony.
You have spoken a lot of truth in that one short post. But is there really any end in sight for this disastrous experiment? It has led to so much inequality. The rich just keep on on getting richer and richer; and the the rest keep on getting poorer and poorer. Trump is only making the situation ten times worse.
the great irony extends over there too - Trump is also a neoliberal (like both their parties), even though he doesn't know it. The current choice is restricted to neoliberals or people who won't get elected (or, if you happen to be in eastern europe, barely-reconstructed nazis). But I have hope, because I believe in us (we, the british) still, enough that we will do the right thing in the end.
The 'noises off' that really worry me are that we might see the current bunch get _so desperate_ to get a "Comprehensive" and wide-ranging 'Trade Deal' that they will join the TPP (as they have already been invited to do). 'TransPacific' aside, it has no geographical restrictions. Trump has already made comments along the lines that maybe he was a bit hasty (and is reviewing his position, under the stern advice of the GOP), that maybe the TPP can be 'cleaned up' a little and then the US might rejoin (he has, god knows, a house and a senate still strongly in favour or it and keen to resume it). He has already let his voters down by reversing his apparently-solid dislike for NAFTA (now that he knows a bit more about it). If he reverses his position on the TPP likewise, and we _still_ haven't got a deal with the US or enough bipartite deals of our own on the go, we are in huge danger of getting sucked in to that. The TPP is not a trade deal, though - it's much more dangerous.
What price 'Sovereignty' then, eh?
I don't want to give up the high standards of the EU for the much lower standards of America. I have spent a lot of time in the US, and I can assure anyone, that food standards in the US are much, much lower than they are in Europe. Stuff the TPP and NAFTA. Give me the EU every time.
I've spent time in US myself, and turned down the offer of a job at three times what I earned at the time, because I didn't want to have to live there. So I'm with you. If the government look like they are going to end up signing up to the TPP, will you join me on the barricades?
Labour supporter but he was one of nicest Tories
Interesting comments: lots of bile with, mostly, no evidence of thought, economic insight or constructive comment. Ken Clarke seems politely to have hit the nail on the head. If I have anything controversial to say I guess it's only because people won't like it, despite it being true. - referenda are dangerous because 10% of the population have an IQ on or less than 83 (untrainable), whilst two-thirds are somewhere between 83-115. Most people simply lack cognitive capacity, irrespective of how they voted,, and are easily manipulated by the likes of the Express or Mail (having their own agendas), let alone income inequality arguments etc.
John Ascough
Pointless to debate an issue when the horse has bolted
Not me and yes, very strange. The above isn't meant to be pro or anti Brexit, though I was a Remainer. I only found out about this statistic recently and how it strongly correlates with job role and a generic conception of cultural success. It's not meant to be pompous. However, if I had an agenda, and large amounts of money to spend, it would be of great interest to rebrand myself as Cambridge Analytica and dive into micro-targeting, or acquire papers like the Express, Mail or Sun; the IQ observation explaining, cynically, use of language, topic etc. I'm as much aware of other interesting correlations relating to susceptibility and it doesn't paint an attractive picture of those papers...or some politicians. As to being pointless, that's never true.
Couldn't agree with you more
Intelligence is only part of the issue. John Barnes, a Footballer of all people, made the most astute point on QT recently - most people don't understand Brexit because our trading relationships are hugely complex - even if you're smart, it takes a lot of time invested in researching the issues to fully grasp it. I have a PhD, so I don't think I'm totally stupid, but if someone asks for a medical doctor I'm not going to be much help. Not because I'm not clever enough to be one - I spent 7 years at University studying something else (economics).
You lost.
I can’t believe how old ken Clarke had become since he was the Health secretary in Margret Thatcher ‘s cabinet !!
He was one of the young Tories then .
How is being a Tory remainer a rebel? He tows the true party line perfectly.
A brilliant interview.... really enjoyed it.
Very interesting to hear a tory admit the failings of his government miss management of wealth. Healthy.
Ken Clarke is a pragmatic, intelligent sensible politician without a personal agenda who talks loads of sense, not many like him around.
Marshejsi Qyteza Kenneth Clark is a remainer he is also vice president of movement in the EU so maybe he is looking out for his own interest
Snowy Owel well that's quite irrelevant really. To me that doesn't sound like a personal interest but simply looking and fighting what's best for his country.
Marshejsi Qyteza your opinion I do not agree with you and you don't have to agree with me but with most MPs it's always about self interest
Snowy Owel that's fine and I appreciate that. To me he comes across as genuine, something that we don't see these days. Have a good day.
Marshejsi Qyteza yes that is their job to come across as genuine , we have to read between the lines and the bigger picture MPs are very good at what they do,, look how corbyn nearly fooled people with is nice old man act believe me their is nothing nice about corbyn , That's just my opinion as an example
Mr Clarke, Gibraltar took 3 referendi to settle their loyalty. Just make sure the next one here expects a 2/3rds majority before going ahead with anything to make sure the country is really behind the decision.
Good call!!!
Referenda not referendi!
Ken Clarke love him
Interesting interview - my opinion of KC has gone up a little. Considering that he makes it absolutely clear that he's against Brexit he made some very good arguments for voting to leave!
Just had to come here when I saw "Ways to CHANGE the world"
Let's ask a CONSERVATIVE.
What was cut at 36 minutes?
'A kind of blue' is Ken Clarke's 'political memoir' ........ I urge you, do get and read this book.
The title's wrong.
Change the word 'Brexit' to 'Conservative'.
Being independent from the eu is quite straightforward.
Ken Clark for PM.
Post mortum
A statesman.
best part about Brexit is listening to all the people like Ken Clarke having absolutely no idea why people voted to leave and clumsily trying to explain it
A decent, clubbable Tory. Rare. Love Ken Clarke
F**K Ken Clarke - for years he was a lobbyist for the Tobago Industry - fighting against legislation and going on TV and radio telling us all how safe smoking was.
Thousands died but Ken got his money and that's always going to be the most important thing for him.
Good for him. Smokers are useless arseholes that deserve to be thinned out.Huzzah!!
It's very likely that your parents and grandparents were useless arseholes for the same reason at some time
- should they have been thinned out?
Huzzah?
lol, I love leftists pretending to like cuckservatives now that they're losing. It's the same as the simpering in America from the media over George Bush and Mitt Romney now that Trump is in office, even though they used to screech "NAZI!!!" at them too when they were in control of the right.
Leftists just attack whoever is furthest right in order to push people to the left; if the Tory Party were even more centrist and weak than they are now, and Clarke was the furthest right politician in politics, you'd be screaming "FASCIST SCUM, OFF OUR STREETS" whenever he appeared in public.
Budda, you really love paedophiles? Or just good old Ken the perv?
I think the pole Tax should have been the worst issue faced by any Prime Minister in your memory , because that was the issue which unseated Margret Thatcher as The Prime Minister.
And Ken Clarke was one of the influential young ministers who had convinced Margret Thatcher to step down .
He talks a lot of commonsense
He has to that's his game, he is anti Brexit he is working for the Bilderberg group not us.
He's also a very nice chap but childish oafs abuse him online who we know didn't even listen anyway.
David B, that's what I thought, too!
Saying he didn't see Brexit coming is not a display of commonsense, He just talks a lot.
Are you some kind of nutter or just drunk.
It sounds like some berk is shaking a corrugated metal sheet in the background.
If you liked this, read his book, its a great read if you agree with him or not
I've always liked Ken - he's a decent guy. But he's wrong about Brexit. I still like and respect him.
lol. what are you? some kind of economic augur
Not a fan of Mr, Clark but listening to this interview he obviously believes in British democracy, and wants what the people vote for , think we need someone like him back in our Parliament.
I love Ken Clarke, hopefully I meet him one day in the Ronnie Sott´s
An articulate, measured and responsible voice from a different age of British political life. It is a sad reflection on the extremes to which we have fall that this interview casts such a striking contrast with today's cohort of MPs. The age of sound bites and even more so twitter has reduced attention spans and the quality of discourse. Additionally the centre of UK politics seems to have given in (in both senses of the word).
I am hopeful the moderation (the hallmark and mainstay of UK politics for most of our history) will once again rise phenix like for the ashes of Post-Brexit Britain, but its a shame at what cost it is going to come.
Adam, you are dead right on all counts.
Like almost all politicians, Ken C talks smugly and with RELISH about himself
Time for the rise of the Extreme Centre, best bits from the Left, the Right, Libertarian-ism (top) and even Nationalism (bottom). Full spectrum vision.
He should have stood as an independent in the last election then perhaps coaless with the Liberals.
I'm a Labour man and would rather stick pins in my eyes than vote Tory, but I have always liked Ken Clarke. Doesn't mean I agree with him on everything by any means...on some things I would strongly disagree. He just speaks with an honesty, warmth and sense of width and breadth of thought that I can always respect.
And I've always said he's to the left of Tony Blair and some of the Blairite/Progress Labour MPs the party is unfortunately still beset with. He's been less scathing of Corbyn than they are.
Hard to differentiate between Ken's voice and Chris Tarrant's.
A good interview, it would be a good idea to get on Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Pah! Nowhere near the same league
Umm...no.
Another bildeberger spouting bo110x.
Ugghhh can't even watch this....
+ Housing crisis + Cap on BTL, people are angry, Mr Clarke!
Politicians talk honestly, WTF dude.
Participant at the annual meeting of the Bilderberg Group in 1993, 1998-2000, 2003, 2004, 2006-08, 2012 and 2013.
This guy has so much money invested in EU he's willing to do anything to keep us in.
They made a difference, half our country hate ourselves!
"he talks to Krishnan about why Brexit is in such chaos, his long-standing Conservative views and why he thinks it’s important politicians talk honestly to the media."
Because who cares what the public think?
31:30 "message discipline.."
a common sense politition, a stable force for a bunch of lonnies
The one thing that can be said for channel 4 news on youtube is at least they are willing to allow comments on their posts. BBC's newsnight on the other hand are often too cowardly to have any posts at all. presumably they don't wish to hear views that might be contrary to their reporting narrative. So much for their role as a true public broadcaster.
I've been waiting since 1975 for another vote, just the sound of Cameron saying a referendum was enough for me to have made my mind up.
What ever happened to Margaret didn't happen fast enough.
Clarke should become PM only sensible Tory left.
Completely disagree with Kenneth on many things but he has always been a good and welcome contributor to political discussion in my experience. Shame he never had a proper 1 on 1 debate with Nigel Farage about the EU, he would have been a far better debater than Lyin' Clegg.
Still time for Ken and Nigel to get together in debate, Nigel is thinking of leading UKIP again giving a true Brexit supporter option for voters .
That means he will spilt the conservative vote, effectively giving them no chance of power next election. Sounds good to me.
The next time a remainer talks about that bus, they won’t have a leg to stand on.
You mean the bus with the lie on it?
What's wrong with his hands?
Together we will stop brexit
let's hope so, or England is in serious poop until it sees sense and begs to get back in 20 years later
If only people would have listened Tory or not.Btw. How was your 2 day holiday on a Folkstone motorway? I love paying more for shopping and fuel.At least I've got my country back...
'Er gorblimey, 'e's a proper gent, innit.
Your comment will outlive every other u-tube comment, yet only today got a like.
@@robertewing3114 High praise, Mr. Ewing!
Can't understand how the juvenile Tory cabinet ministers haven't taken Ken's great advice on Brexit they wouldn't be in the mess their in now.
As an observer of UK POLITICS from afar I have the utmost respect for Ken and for this reason cannot understand why he is so pro EU , he says for economic and security reasons the UK is better off , but it is these reasons that the UK will be worse off ,eg, EU is a protectionist and uncompetitive trade block whose share of world trade is declining , whilst the the asia pacific area is rising . In many ways the EU members helped create the migrant crisis , then made it worse , and now want an EU army , in order to attack or intimidate who , ?? because that is why armies are raised for in the first place .Has the British lion become a pussycat , I mean even little Switzerland , Singapore , South Africa, New Zealand , Iceland , all of Asia , and Africa are fully independent , and more independent than the UK , ?? Then his anti Trump stance is pre-judging Trump , The USA is roaring ahead economically (the S&P 500 is up) N.Korea is better ,and so on ,
Wow, you can tell this is C4
Not Ken Clark's views on Brexit
It's Ken Clark's view on Brexit chaos.
Completely impartial
Globalist Grandee!
All these problems and failings to the working population that Ken, correctly, outlines, are CAUSED by the free-market capitalism he's such a fan of! The wealth will always accrue into a few hands, and they'll use this wealth to change politics and get even more of the nation's wealth for themselves. Ken has no real idea how to redistribute wealth - his heart's in the right place, but he's hampered by labelling himself a conservative, and not looking outside that paradigm.
How about an economic system that works for everyone, instead of the top 10%? The only way to do this - regulation doesn't work because you're always fighting against the flood of wealth and power flowing to the top, and it's been overwhelming - is to put the decision-making power in the hands of the workers. We need worker ownership and control of their workplaces - Democracy at Work. Check out Richard Wolff for a great description of how this would work.
Ken you are an intelligent man, but what baffles me is why you will not accept the decision of the British people !
He's voted at every opportunity to leave the EU since the referendum. I wish people would at least do some research before posting shite on the Internet.
Very good politician shame he's a Tory.
20:13 Ken for the first time since the Industrial Revolution we imported more manufacturing goods than we exported. So world poverty was slashed as China made the goods more cheaply, but at what cost to the working classes in this country?
20:44 -- "I grew up in the '30s with an unemployed father. He didn't riot; he got on his bike and looked for work and he kept looking till he found it." -- Norman Tebbit, at the Conservative Party Conference 1981. What happened to that Norman Tebbit? What happened to that Conservative Party? It's now the party of the whingers and the whiners and, if one takes their threats seriously, future rioters.
F**K Ken Clarke - for years he was a lobbyist for the Tobago Industry - fighting against legislation and going on TV and radio telling us all how safe smoking was.
Thousands died but Ken got his money and that's always going to be the most important thing for him.
If people want to smoke, let them smoke.
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Religious Clerics would be prevented in the interfering of our youngsters.
a great Man
Under WTO rules and EU rules if will pulled out of the EU today the same tariffs would be payable to the EU as we have now for ten years. So we will still trade tariff free with the EU for ten years. BUT they are not tell us that.
Really?
And why is that?
You care to explain?
I used to like and respect Ken Clarke. However, I now struggle to, when his intellectual contempt for Brexit voters is so clear and unrepentant. He's a an old-school Conservative, the social reformer type, who despite perhaps having good intentions is arrogantly paternalistic towards the masses. Paternalists have no respect for democracy because they have no respect for the knowledge and opinions of the average joe. And yet regardless of education, most people voted tribally, anyway, and based on personality (which according to social psychologist Jordan Peterson is the most important factor in electoral outcomes). In the end, he wouldn't have a problem if the vote had gone the other way!
Nathan, perhaps he is out of time, but I think his heart is in the right place. Cut him some more slack?
It's more about the arrogance, the assumption that they know better, and the automatic subversion or circumvention of democracy along with it, that I have an issue with.
a vote on lies , led to this procession of doom
David r Mellor Yes immediate punishment budget. Pound will crash! House prices will crash! Interest rates will go sky high! Job loses! Food shortages! So you are right lots of lies and more lies!
Soft Tories will always win in the end.
were in no trouble the quicker we get out of this single market and close our boarders we will be fine WE NEED A TRUMP TO SAVE THE UK were almost dead and buried it's disgusting hardly any British left in Great Briton
I basically trained my polish replacement at work because he could bring in a steady supply of polish people to do work, once they were in I was shut out, after 3 years of a perfect work history I wasn’t even being contacted about overtime, my 30 hr per week contract was disregarded and my hours were cut to 25 illegally, and then as I said I wasn’t even being told about overtime to keep the polish people sweet, and then the tribunal costs were through the ceiling, companies have ZERO incentive to try and attract british people to work for them, it’s too much effort
Eventually I was just bullied out, given more work than it was possible to complete, I couldn’t work with the team because they refused to speak English, and eventually I broke a piece of plastic worth literally £2 and easily replaceable and fired without much argument just to settle the situation, and it’s the same everywhere I go, that’s just one example, the polish look out for only the polish, end of, there looking to stick together and get their friends jobs and there’s more of them
The next place I worked, a polish couple a gentlemen from the middle east, the manager spoke some English, either polish or Romanian gentlemen, complete sh&& show, no one could properly communicate and everyone was mad all the time that work wasn’t getting done, f@@@ the lot of them
AS FOR STUDIES WHICH SAY IMMIGRATION DOESNT LOWER WAGES, I will explain why they’re false, at the job mentioned I was fired from we could not attract staff, that company now pays the higher minimum wage, it could have afforded to at the time to attract british staff, it didn’t, it didn’t need to, benefits guarantee a minimum wage, a minimum wage isn’t required and neither is immigration, I don’t need a study to tell me what I saw with my own eyes was bull rather when I worked in the unskilled sector
Also even after Brexit we’ll still be able to go on holiday, it won’t stop internationalism, it just stop us from trying to end poverty in some god forsaken backwater somewhere, no one cares, these people are so far removed from the wreckage of 2008 they just don’t understand people here aren’t much or at all better off than countries they claim they want to help, and a lot of these countries have systemic problems we cannot fix anyway
Believe me your story is by no means rare.4/5 jobs in the UK go to migrants.then they say "they do the jobs the British won't do". What needs to happen in the west is what happened in Eastern Europe in 1989.
How can this guy say he's a Conservative? Pro EU, supports multiculturalism, mass immigration, wants to massively raise taxes. Sounds more like a Lib Dem to me.
what a blithering aged fool of a politician - he's either totally oblivious (or intentionally feigning ignorance) to the bigger picture and high stakes for humanity's future involved in this most critical political battle of our time
'tis true, I confess ~ I am Kermit the frog
Traitor
My first choice was remain. But if we're leaving, let's do a complete, and comprehensive Brexit. If that means having to negotiate EVERYTHING again, trade deals, border regulations, the lot, after March 2019, so be it. A complete break, politely but firmly. Otherwise, we'll have a "name-only" Brexit.
Know anyone whose life relies on medication produced in the EU, like insulin, for example? Do they have the years it will take to renegotiate from scratch? At the very least this will cause the out and out privatisation of the NHS, so cleanly it makes you wonder if the vote was rigged.
YOU Mr Clarke have weakened the country politically. I am so pleased you don´t lose any sleep at night. Time for you to move to France, sit on a swing and read all of your speeches when you were important.
Oh yes Ken, it will be a disaster if we leave, but once we've given the EU federal government control of our country (where the UK population would have no chance of casting a democratic vote ever again) everything will be fine.
Jay Simmons well we won't be able to vote for them or veto them once we've left the table, no.
joe caterman sources for any of that? since what i said is just self evident truth and what you said is.. speculation? i don't know.
Sigh. The express. Please don't give them views.
A better article www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-tax-digital/eu-commission-aims-move-to-reduce-governments-veto-powers-on-tax-idUSKBN1CT2FC
They are debating a proposal to reduce the veto, particularly regarding small low tax states, and no plans have been set. There are many components to the veto system and personally I don't see it passing in it's current form since EU member states need to agree with this (obviously the UK and others wouldn't).
Edit: seems he removed his comment just as i posted
Gigabyte thanks gigabyte
backfromcuba If we leave then they won't have any control over us. If we stay, we will be forced to join the Euro and accept being controlled by a single federal government. It won't even be like the USA where individual states can make their own laws. It will be an unelected neoliberal dictatorship. You might think that's not possible, but it's what Verhofstad, Barnier etc.. have already proposed to the European Parliament. Good luck with that, I left the UK years ago. Thankfully.
We have the highest standard of living in human history, taking a few knocks isn’t the end of the world, this is England, we’ve done this stuff a thousand times.
These people would sell their children, never mind our sovereignty.
Daniel Bostock well we've never left the EU before.
backfromcuba we aren't prisoners. And the EU is one of the slowest growing economy in the world
backfromcuba - No, but we have been an independent sovereign nation before. We were pretty successful too.
Henno oh how far back do you want to go? empire..?
UKIP FOR NUMBER 10 .
brexit is change and would be the best for the uk
F.... off Ken Clark. You just wants to keep the money the EU is giving you. Also the big Pension. You would hate to loose that maybe you wouldn’t be able to have the great life you and get pissed up every day. We the tax payers paying you to moan and get pissed up.
Urgh...creature.
It makes me wonder are those remainers really fight for our country or fight for their pride? because they lost the referendum. They are reaction like all the losers try very hard to fight back to win next round, but Remember referendum is not the game.