London (LHR) | automatic landing in fog on runway 27R | Airbus A320 | the last minute |
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2023
- Eurowings Airbus A320 cockpit view of an automatic night CAT 3 approach with automatic landing in fog/haze on runway 27R at London Heathrow LHR / EGLL airport, England, UK.
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Absolutely stunning automation with pilot monitoring.
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My pleasure!
It requires a very serious operation and capability, and many factors must come together to make this landing.
An automation Landing is more hard to do than manual one
Even as an experienced pilot it has to be a nail biter to do a zero minimums fog landing like this full auto. What a relief to finally see the runway lights.
Sure, we are always happy to finally see the runway. This is true for autolands but also for manual landings in marginal weather.
this ain’t zero minimums
@@jordiramirez405 what is it then?
Some militaries do zero lights landings on occasion. A pilot friend of mine says "you can't see anything so there is nothing to worry about.". He dies laughing everytime he says it.
That is correct! Required was an RVR (visibility along the runway) of 75 meters. The cloud base did not matter. But the RVR was much better than the required RVR.
Engineers who make this are awesome, really the most intelligent people on earth
I agree!
Aeronautical engineers are seriously unreal. Definitely crazy smart to where I have Inner confidence I could be a pilot as I race cars but struggle working on my own cars most of the time but working on planes.. give me 10 life times and il still be incompetent 😂
Wow continue call on 100! And full auto landing!!!
In 28,000 hours of flying, forty years airline, 18,000 hours in zBoeing 767, I’ve done 100
cat III landings in the simulator. On the line I’ve done about 20 practice cat III auto land approaches. But, in real world horrible visibility, I’ve only done about 6 real CAT III autoland approaches. It’s always amazing and fun! Taxiing to the gate is the hardest part🤪
Thanks for watching and your very personal feedback! I agree, CAT III landings in real CAT III conditions are very rare. Usually, the weather is better, but the airports are offering CAT III approaches to make sure that nobody has to go around if the visibility or cloud base are decreasing. Taxiing in low visibility is sometimes very challenging. In London (LHR) it is easy because of the green lights which guide the correct way to the parking position.
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I did a real 600 RVR unanticipated (weather not forecasted) cat III approach to 7,200’ runway at O’Hare in B767-300. Almost at bingo fuel, after holding. Approach was cool and easy. Taxi clearance to gate; 27 turns, taxiing at 5 mph. By the time we saw the various taxi signs, we were AT the sign. Turns quite difficult at the last second. Took 45 minutes to get to the gate!
Amazing landing with that system. 👏 I'm in IFR training and I shot an approach (with instructor) all the way down to the minimums of 400' and that was insane to me. I can only imagine how this must feel to you guys.
Thanks for watching and your feedback! Great to hear that you are in the IFR-training. The good thing about the Airbus is that the systems are fail operational. That means for example: If one autopilot fails, the other autopilot is able to continue. This is very different from small airplanes. I wish you all the best for your IFR-training!
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos Definitely different than the Cessna! Haha. Thank you!
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos But you would still have to go missed approach if one autopilot fails no? In a CAT III approach that is.
@@timw1401 It depends on the situation. If you fly an approach with no decision height you have to go missed if one autopilot fails. If you fly a CAT 3 approach with 50 feet decision height, you need only one autopilot.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos oh nice didn't know that, thanks for explaining it to me :)
I'm currently working on my ATPL theory credit but have been putting off studying air law haha
Thanks to all pilots
Thanks for watching!
Kudos to the flight computers and the engineers in the ground
We have to thank especially the engineers who designed the computers we use in the airplane which allow us to do automatic landings,.
Not fog but pea soup. All the way to the ground, hundreds of feet of fog. That’s amazing. Those were great lamps. I suspect that airports in my area would close.
Airports without the appropriate equipment may close if the weather falls below the CAT1 minimums.
Perfect landing!!
Thanks for watching!
Perfect landing because it’s the auto pilot who land it 😂
😂 thanks autopilot, good machine... And say continue call on 100 🙄🙄 it's late 🤣
@@paulbreleau9916😂😂😂😂
Bros i think you arent really into aviation, the auto Landing is much harder to achieve than manual one, also its not like the autopilot Does everything
Amazing!!!! 😳
Thanks! 😄
Beautiful work there 😎
Thanks you so much!
Cool 👍 great landing
Thanks!
I'm debating trying to become a pilot, and my god, that's terrifying 😂 you really can't see anything until you're pretty much over the lights off the foot of the runway. You really do have to trust your training, yourself, and your instruments in a situation like this. If something was wrong, even only slightly, it could be fatal. Glad they made it down safely.
We train on a regular basis in the simulator for such approaches. The Airbus has redundant systems which monitor each other. Also, we observe and check if everything works well. If not, we would discontinue the approach and fly to an airport with better weather. It is not terrifying at all. It is great and proven technnology in conjunction with well trained pilots. No reason to worry about!
I’ve landed my Boeing 767-300 in 300’ and 600’ RVR, in LHR and AMS and Stockholm Arlanda. We didn’t see as many lights as in this video😳
The weather during the approach in the video was better than the required 75 meters RVR for the CATIIIB approach.
I dont believe you even own a 767-300 ;)
@@wouldntyouliketoknow9891 ha! You’re right, I didn’t own it. I was entrusted by TWA, to captain it🤪
@@davidmangold1838 some big airliners are privately owned, but I guess that only a small minority of the owners could fly them. I think, Niki Lauda was one of the very few people.
There were press articles that he flew them, he had the license for that - and I think, he owned the airline(s) - or did he own parts of the airline(s) together with some partners, not sure about only that point.
Awesome footage 👍
Thanks!
Beautiful landing 😍👏🏻
Thank you!
Respect to you i wanna be a pilot when i grow up
Thanks for watching and your thoughts! I see you in the cockpit in a few years!
It requires a very serious operation and capability, and many factors must come together to make this landing.
Thanks for watching and your feedback!
That is as scarey as the first time you use terrain hugging radar in a fighter jet and the jet goes over a cliff and just drops to 50ft off the deck.
It is EVERY BIT OF SELF CONTROL NOT to grab the stick and manually pull back to climb.
Does not matter HOW MANY TIMES you do that exercise.
There is a voice in the back of your head yelling," GRAB THE FKN STICK AND CLIMB CLIMB CLIMB!!!"
GREAT LANDING SKIPPER!!!
I you sir!! U
Thank you so much for watching and for sharing your very special personal flight experience in the fighter jet. All the best to you! Have a great day!
Awesome landing auto pilot 👌.
I agree
This was a good one. 🚀
Thanks!
You are the best, thank you sir pilot
Thanks for the kind words! Have a great day!
Wow! Beautiful and terrifying.
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I love London ❤️
Thanks for watching!
Smooth landing 👌
Thanks for watching!
Perfect 👍
Thanks!
Wow.. i m amazed how these machines work with ultra precision.. hats off to the pilot's courage to land it in fog.. love from India. You got a subscriber brother..
Thank you so much for watching! The Airbus is an extremely reliable airplane. We train those landings on a regular basis in the simulator and are always ready to do them in the real airplane. Thanks for subscribing! Please tell your aviation friends in India about my channel. Thanks in advance and all my best greetings to India!
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos thanks Sir. Will surely do. 😊🇮🇳❤️
@@TravelogsIndia Thank you!
Watched this multiple times to see the instrumentation. Interesting to see the different flight modes above the artificial horizon on the left MFD, and the call outs.
I suggest that you also watch the full approach video. This gives some more insights. ruclips.net/video/lQSB3SQ_2F4/видео.html
I was watching the same 🤔👍
The left MFD is the primary flight display and the modes are displayed above on the flight mode annunciator. There are FMGCs, FACs, ELACs and SECs together with MMRs, RAs and a bunch of other computers working together. I'm an avionics technician for the A320 family and love to see how it works when pilots, technicians and the hardware are performing as well as you guys. Thanks for sharing.
Dicker könnte die Suppe kaum sein. Als Pilot hätte ich da im Funk gesagt: "Tower, I can't see shit!" :)
Vielen Dank fürs Anschauen und das Feedback! Die Sicht war zwar nicht wirklich gut allerdings deutlich besser als die 75 Meter, die wir als Minimum für diese automatische Landung benötigen.
So Nice Landing Respect!!!😍🔥❤️
We have to thank the Airbus engineers for building and programming the autoland system so good!
I love this view where your seeing what the pilot sees! On the other hand all that fog..Scary! Times like this I'm sure Pilots are happy to have auto.
Yeah, auto land would be nice but hand flying a Cat3 is fun too.
@@dmack1827 😁
It's not scary. We have a great plane with a great autopilot. During the autoland, we monitor that everything works fine. If not, we have to take over manually. Usually, this leads to a go-around.
Very impressive luckily there was no one breaking runway clearance that day.
Everything went well. Thanks for watching!
Looks like my right eye vision.
Thanks for watching!
Wish my landings were like autolands 😜
Cool video.
Autolands are similar to human landings. Some are very nice and some are not that nice. The autoland in the video was very nice.
Autopilot off wenn er schon am boden ist und ausrollt...beeindruckend wie das alles so perfekt funktioniert! Sehr geil ! Technik die begeistert !
Das finde ich auch! Der Airbus macht das super! Und die Technik ist ja schon etliche Jahre alt und funktioniert immer noch sehr gut!
Auto pilot is very good smooth and safe
I agree, the autopilot did a nice landing.
At the duration of 0:39, you hear that the F/O says "reverse green."
You know, it is a term said by the F/O to the captain to activate thrust reversers.
The callout „reverse green“ by the pilot monitoring confirms that the reversers are already set to max or idle reverse. It is not an order. It is just a confirmation.
Wow
Thanks for watching!
I'd give that landing an 8/10 Mr. I ROBOT
I agree! It was not really bad for an automatic landing.
until you disengage the autopilot, what do you really need to do? do you need to manage flaps and engine power?
Good question. Before we start the approach, we have to calculate the landing distance and prepare the flight management system and enter all required data. During the approach, we have to monitor that the system is working as expected. Also, we have to extend the flaps, arm the spoilers and extend the landing gear. And - for sure - communicate with ATC and manage the ATC speed requests. During the flare, we have to reduce the thrust to idle. After landing, we have to open the reversers, switch off the autopilot, cancel the autobrake system, brake manually and steer the airplane from the runway.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos thank you so much. So, in resume, the autoland only points the airplane to the runway and manage the engine power until the "retard" message. Thats it?
Perfect
Thank you!
I landed at Hartsfield Atlanta airport in zero visibility in an L1011. The pilot came on and said I have good news and bad news. The good news is they’re going to allow us to land. The bad news is the airport is closed.😂❤
Zero visibility is bad. Minimum RVR, which is the visibility along the runway, is today 75 meters. If it were less, taxiing on the ground is becoming impossible. Also, if needed, emergency services would be unable to drive to and locate the airplane. If the RVR would fall below 75 meters during the short final, we would have to discontinue the approach.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos all I know is that I was sitting in the very back of the plane facing the stewardess. He was in her jump seat, and she literally got up out of her seat and looked out my window crossing over me ha ha and we hit the runway and I never saw it.
When you see the runway you know it's aight
It is always good to see the runway prior to the landing.
Beautiful ❤
Thanks!
Sometimes the magic works, and ...
The great thing is, that the magic usually works all the time very good if you refer to automatic landings in an Airbus A320
Yes. The tech is absolutely fantastic. That said, I believe there should be strict limits on it, due to its potential for its misuse and abuse, which can easily happen under pressure of time and economics. It should NEVER be plugged in to and run exclusively by AI, something which is certainly already in the works. A microchip has no skin in the game; a human pilot puts his a** on the line every time he or she straps into the machine. And a microchip may be able to decide faster. However, it can also decide wrongly faster, particularly in situations which are unique, for which it has not or cannot be programmed to anticipate or correctly deal with appropriately. Lastly, as multiple, recent accidents have demonstrated, over-reliance on technology can easily lead to pilot complacency and/or neglect of situational awareness.
The truth remains: too err is human, but to really screw-up requires a computer.
so the instruments did their job correctly? That's nice. What is this clip for anyway?
This clip shows you what the instruments are showing during an autoland. Usually, only the pilots are able to see this. Lots of viewers love to see this content. And even the full 4k approach video.
Man, as a non pilot, I’d be shitting bricks. Terrified just looking out that window, you can’t see a thing. Lol.
Sure, there is not that much to see when in the fog. No reason to be terrified because the autoflight system works great. And all the parts of the system are installed twice. If one system fails, the other takes over automatically. And we can always abort the approach and fly to somewhere else with better weather.
They don't pay pilots anywhere near enough!!
Thanks for your support!
Great.
Thanks a lot!
I'm sure Heathrow has ILS Category 3 for automated landings. Most airports are Category I or 2.
Heathrow has a CAT III ILS system. During this approach, we flew to CAT 3 minimums: no decision height and 75 meters RVR. Most smaller airports only have CAT 1. It is very expensive to install and maintain a CAT 2 or CAT 3 ILS system.
Very nice landing captain, always is a challenge landing in such poor conditions even with the amazing machine the A320 it's
Thanks for watching!
It’s the autopilot landing it 😂
will autopilot perform flare too? or you need to flare manually?
Good question! Yes, the autopilot performs also the flare. We have to monitor that the autopilot is doing everything right and are trained to takeover if something goes wrong.
Pucker doesn't stop till you see the lights
Thanks for the video! What does "full automatic landing" mean? I was debating this with someone else recently about how much input the pilot actually has. Im assuming the autopilot controls speed and glideslope, keeping it on trajectory with the runway, but the pilot still controls the flaps, does the final aileron inputs for touchdown and also can see in the video that pilot manages the thrust to idle. Could you please clarify? Some people think the pilot can sit with their hands on their lap for full auto landing and the plane will land itself, but that doesn't seem to be correct :)
Good question! Fully automatic means, that the autopilot follows the instrument landing system by itself and does the flare before the touchdown and the rollout after landing. The autothrust keeps the speed and reduces the thrust to idle during the flare. The pilot has to confirm this at 10 feet with the movement of the thrust levers to idle. Brakeing was also done automatically. The pilot has to program the system. He or she also has to extend the flaps, the landing gear and to continuously monitor the performance of the system and the weather. The pilots are trained in the simulator for this approaches and know what to do, if the systems do not work as expected.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos Wow thanks for such an informative response! It's great to learn from a professional. As for the confirmation of thrust to idle by the pilot, what would happen if they did not touch the thrust, would it continue to idle automatically? And can this fully automatic landing be done at most commercial airports or only some? I just started my flight training but hope to become an airline pilot someday
Didn’t hear MINIMUMS? But you said continue? Did you program the DH ?
Good question. This was an approach without decision height. Required was just an RVR of 75 meters. I said continue at 100 feet. This is the alert height. The call was based on the technical status of the airplane not on any visual references.
ILS vibes
Thanks for watching!
Great book on airliner automation: Fly By Wire by William Langweische.
Thanks for the information about the book!
Love how the FMC show the downgrade from CAT 3 to CAT 2 to CAT 1.
During the approach and In this video, the FMA shows all the time CAT 3 DUAL until touchdown. There was no downgrade from CAT3 to CAT2 to CAT 1. Sure, we passed the minimums for CAT 1, CAT 2 and then landed with no decisions height. You can see the FMA downgrade from CAT 3 to CAT 1 usually during all ILS approaches without automatic landing once you switch off the autopilot and fly manually.
its amaizing how the aircraft land itself.... I would be a little worried if a were an airlinaer pilot
There's no reason to be worried. The system is very reliable. Everything is installed multiple times for redundancy reasons. Like 2 autopilots. We monitor the systems and are trained to act accordingly if something fails.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos yes I know, I would be worried for pilots jobs
Can it do an auto landing in windy conditions?
Good question. It depends on the wind speed and direction. The wind limits for autoland are much lower than for manual landings. In very windy conditions, no autoland is possible.
It requires a very serious operation and capability, and many factors must come together to make this landing.
Collins aerospace sells an EVS Hud that would make that like a walk in the park
The use of Head Up Displays is more common in airplanes that are not able to do an autoland in foggy weather. The Airbus does that really nice by itself. So there would be no additional benefit.
I’m so jealous
Thanks for watching!
Nice auto pilot landing❤
I agree!
Müthiş
Thanks!
I can confirm this happened, I was the auto pilot.
Hello autopilot!
This looks scary..
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I only do this in my flight sim lol
That sounds great! Thanks for watching!
I first thought that this was an microsoft flight simulator
No, it's real.
Where im taking off from to go to crete on saturday landing abt 1 o clock
Have a nice trip!
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👍👏👏👏👏👏❤❤❤❤
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I have a question: why do not always airplanes are landed with the automatic pilot if it works perfectly and it is used only in poor view conditions?
Thanks for watching and your question. For autoland, the airport and the runway must fulfill lots of requirements. A lot of runways do not fulfill these requirements. In addition, the required CAT III ILS system is very expensive to buy and to maintain. Also, the wind limits are reduced for autoland and during autoland operations the airplane flow rate to and from the runway is reduced to protect the ILS signal. The crews have to have special training and the airline as well as the airplane needs to be certified for autoland operation. If you put that all together, the result is that autoland operations are only done if the weather is foggy and normal landings are not possible.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos thank you for your detailed answer. Now, it is quite clear to me.
Is it always necessary to say "continue" when reaching minimums?
Good question. When reaching minimums, we have to do the decision to continue the approach or to do a go around. Usually everything is fine and the runway is in sight, so we can continue for a landing. If this would not be the case, we would call "go around" instead of "continue". During the approach in the video the continue call at 100 feet was based only on the technical status of the airplane because it was a CAT 3 approach without decision height.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos Thanks for a quick response. May you have a safe flight...always.
How much is done by the autopilot? When do you take over?
We have to configure the airplane for landing: flaps, gear .... and do the setup for the flight management and guidance system. The autopilot tracks vertically and laterally to the runway and even does the flare prior to the touchdown. We have to set the thrust to idle during the flare and into reverse after the touchdown. Braking may be done automatically and afterwards we have to switch off the autopilot and the autobrake to leave the runway manually.
This is real? I figured it was flight simulator. I didn't know a landing would be attempted in soup like this.
This is for sure real. Weather was better than required. We need just 75 meters RVR (visibility along the runway). Cloudbase may be on the runway. Please watch the video of the full approach:
ruclips.net/video/lQSB3SQ_2F4/видео.html
😳😳😳😳
Thanks for watching!
What was the minimum on that approach? 400'?
Thanks for the question. This was a CAT 3 approach with no decision height. This approach did not depend on any kind of visual contact prior touchdown. The required minimum RVR (visibility along the runway) for the approach was 75 meters. In the video you see that the weather was much better than the required weather.
Nice German accent
Thanks!
Note that some words/letters are pronounced differently vs standard English on purpose. Eg. Three is tree ... or nine is niner ...
Cat III?
It was a CAT 3 B approach. But the weather was better than the required weather.
Clear the runway and follow the Greens
Yes. This is a great system.
Cat 3 ILS?
Correct. Cat 3 ILS with no decision height and a required RVR of 75 meters. The weather was better than the required weather.
does that work with every passenger plane?
No, there are also Airplanes available with no autoland capability.
2 hours later, the passengers are finally allowed off the plane after the buses decided to turn up.
Heathrow is the pits.
No, that is not correct. We arrived on time. Everything went very smooth. After taxiing to the gate, everybody left the airplane to the terminal.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos Im sure that particular flight was fine. Im referencing past experiences at this airport. Which are oddly commun to many flyers.
3CAT
Yes, CAT3 approach.
Nice landing by Auto Pilot
Thanks for watching!
They landed with gusting tail wind?? Damn
Right. The wind was turning into a light tailwind during the flare.
@@ApproachandDepartureVideos yeah wind is gusting
benefits of ILS, right?
Sure, without an ILS, there is no automatic landing in the Airbus possible.
Airbus rules
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Minimums?
75 meters RVR (visibility along the runway) and no decision height.
Who Count down? The Autopilot?
Count down is done by the radar altimeter. The numbers you hear is the elevation, measured in feet, above the ground/runway.
How come you were descending with nose up attitude?
This is normal for an Airbus. Standard approach is flown with 3 degrees pitch up or so. In cruise, you also see a little pitch up. You only need pitch down for high descent rates.
IFR FTW? If I'm to understand correctly as a mild aviation fan...?
What do you mean with FTW?
For the win
Is this real?
Yes. Here is the full approach video:
ruclips.net/video/lQSB3SQ_2F4/видео.html
And to those folks that are technically qualified to service these equipment, so they are functional in the aircraft?
There are qualified engineers required who service the autoland equipment in the airplane and the installations on the ground.
QUAL CAT??????
This was a CAT III B approach with no decision height. But weather was better than required.
You will always need skilled pilots, but this just shows that the aircraft does not
Autoland needs very skilled pilots. It requires special training and qualification. You cannot see it in the video because everything works fine. But we are trained on a regular basis for any possible abnormal situation during such an autoland approach. Usually the failures are only happening in the simulator.
Is it CAT ||| ?
Yes. CAT III approach with autoland. But the actual weather was a little better than CAT III conditions. Please watch also the full 4k multicamera video of the approach. Thanks. ruclips.net/video/lQSB3SQ_2F4/видео.html
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I ve never seen it before…
To put off the autopilot after landing…👏👏👏👏
Why? The Autopilot can Not Taxi to the Gate.
The autopilot needs to be switched off latest when turning away from the centerline of the runway.
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