Tower Controller FORCED a pilot to land for dangerous behavior. Phoenix Gateway airport. REAL ATC
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"you definitely should not be taxiing around without an instructor, that's dangerous" after been force to land at an ulfamiliar airport is odd!
If you listen, he says "instruction", not "instructor". He probably meant that if unfamiliar, she should ask for more specific instruction rather than trying to figure it out on her own.
@@BlueSkyUp_EU This is what was actually said. But also, she HAD an instruction from the tower. It was something like “right on kilo, then half-right on XXXX” and I believe she stopped on XXXX when told to stop moving and contact ground. I’m not a pilot, so not too familiar with the tower-ground handover, but she definitely had turn-by-turn instructions.
She was given an instruction to cross 12R and then contact ground. She needed to contact ground for a taxi clearance before proceeding beyond where tower had cleared her to. She proceeded to taxi without contacting ground and (therefore) was taxiing without a clearance.
@@PakledHostage look at 3:21 in the video. She was told to make a half-right turn onto Victor, cross 12R, then contact ground. Those instructions are out of order, but that’s what the tower said. If she turned onto Victor before contacting ground, that’s because she had instructions to turn onto Victor. Contacting ground was the last thing she was supposed to do, per those instructions. If the tower has a problem with her doing what she’s told, that seems like a tower problem. An I missing something here? I saw another video on this that labeled the taxiways, and the one diagonal to the runways is indeed Victor. She followed all of the instructions.
I don't have an airport diagram, so you might be right. But "turn right onto victor and contact ground" is also different than proceeding along victor without contacting ground. I like to think I would have stopped and called ground, even if unsure (because that's the normal thing to do and the tower's instruction WAS weird), but under the circumstances, maybe I would have made the same mistake? At the end of the day, it was a mistake though, and that's what they were upset about.
Former Center controller here, I never knew you could force a pilot to land at an airport. I don't think we could, this is odd
So many deadly GA crashes lately. Some of the pilots were known among ATCs (& social media followers) for having poor aviator skills. Probably some would still be alive if ATC would have done something similar with them. Maybe FAA is trying to do smth about it, idk
The controller may be well intentioned, but he has ZERO authority to direct anyone to land. He can file a report, or pilot deviation, which he did, but anything more would be advisory. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
@@hziemba Shouldn't she have known he has no authority and therefore refuse to land? If it is as you say, both the pilot and the controller are playing a game without any of them knowing the rules of the game...
I think 911 proved that ATC can force planes to land.
@@Boodieman72Under a full government command, yes. Though not allowed from a single tower controller. It’s public airspace. I dont see any single problem at all with what happen.
We're missing whatever caused the atc to call for an immediate climb to 3500, which obviously pissed him off something fierce
Terrain maybe?
@@fn0rd-f5o Closest terrain is the San Tan Mountains, about 6 miles to the south and not that high. There was definitely a second aircraft from the recording. My guess is that there was a traffic conflict between XD and that other aircraft caused by something XD did, but that it's not in this clip because it wasn't captured by LiveATC.
That has to be the case because there is definately something missing here@@geoffreyreuther5260
i assumed she was in airspace with out permission (why he was mad) most of the class delta in area tops out around 3000
and Bravo is over all that
This controller is a known problem.
Thinks he knows everything and that he is gods gift to ATC. Been this way for years.
Seems to be a more common occurrence over the past decade or so. The quality, and attitude, of ATC has been in rapid decline.
ATC: Here’s a possible pilot deviation because I expect you to climb like an F16 in a C172.
No, it was a PPD because she wasn’t reading back assigned headings, or anything for that matter, and she turned to the wrong heading causing a jet to literally sky rocket..so she turned right into the departure corridor. That’s the issue, and being someone who flys jets..it’s a major issue and aggravating when idiots like this turn right in front of us due to incompetence.
I’m glad I came down to comments. Just from this video I don’t feel like I noticed her do anything serious. It’s obvious there was radio communication issues but she seemed to do everything he asked except climb 5000ft in 20sec. And then to force her to land at an airport she didn’t want to and then chastise her for not knowing it’s layout. ATC was a little ridiculous, I hope it was investigated and she was cleared and ATC spoken with.
I... really need more context. This whole thing is very bizarre. They treated her like a child.
Rumor at the FBO is she was so emotional after they berated her on the air she cried for an hour then sold her plane.
@@exploreraa983obviously had no business piloting an aircraft if a tone of voice made her vapor lock.
@@exploreraa983 No way… you serious?
@@pjhaebe i disagree, that was public humiliation and beratement more than tone of voice. u listen to the whole thing? how would you feel if everyone you flew with heard you get called a danger to aviation and restricted from flying out? that has nothing to do with piloting a 172
@@ddthompson42 yes. FR24 shows a sale recorded YESTERDAY and a position flight today at Houston.
The video started with no explanation what she did wrong, which probably was a justified reason for "forcing?" her to land, I just have never heard of this done before in my 55 years of flying. Mabe it was busting into controlled airspace areas, which I agree with the controller but wish the video maker would have explained. I found it a little harsh though chewing her out about landing at an airport she was ordered to and not being "familiar" with. They should have given her progressive taxi instructions from the get go. It sounded like they shook her up pretty bad. Anybody knowing more about this incident or the outcome please let me know would be appreciated. In the interest of Aviation safety of course. JOE. CFIAM Lake Havasu, Arizona.
Yes, as I can't get this off my mind, I definitely would like to hear more of the ATC tapes. Because if all that attitude was for no "good" reason , shaking up an obviously low time private pilot could have endangered her life. CFIAM JOE. Lake Havasu, Arizona.
At KLAF, we had a "cleared only for FULL STOP" when a student pilot wanted to keep working in the pattern after ignoring 3 instructions, overshooting centerline, and causing another airplane to maneuver to avoid a head-on collision. The Tower said "nope, you can't keep flying today, you are cleared only to come back to the ground"
Agreed. If he thought there was danger, he should not have overloaded her in the air. Coax it out of the sky like a wild bird, deal with your feelings on the ground.
@@webcucciolo Yikes! Definitely justified there.
I agree..she's clearly a somewhat new Private Pilot, and this guy was razzing her mercilessly. ATC is there to HELP pilots.
Would love to hear what was going on before this audio starts. As it is, not sure what kind of expedited climb he was expecting out of a 172.
That's exactly what I thought. Did he think she was flying an F-16?
Exactly, "expedite" the dawdling 400-600 fpm climb at 60 knots or so. It only counts as a steep climb because it is barely going forward.
I thought it was because she turned before or as she climbed not climbed then turned as instructed.
You guys don’t understand, she turned right in front of a jet causing a conflict between outbound and inbound..along with being at the wrong altitude and turning the wrong heading. She was a train wreck..
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Expedite climb immediately.
I’m in a 172!!!!😂
I’m giving her all she’s got , captain !
@@22noobtube 😂
Holy hell, both of these controllers really overstepped their bounds here. They have zero authority to force someone to land. If she busted airspace, they can deviate her and issue headings out of the way--which they did, but that's about the extent of it. Dude didn't even tell her why she was an issue in the first place. They don't control the pilot nor the destination. Super, super out of line.
And to the snarky ass of a ground controller--have you never heard of progressive taxiing? Maybe offer that instead of being unnecessarily rude. Nobody is born with inherent knowledge of all taxi diagrams for every airport, and she was not even intending on landing at your field.
Of course, nothing will happen to the controllers because they're a bunch of Serco contract jagoffs at Gateway. Do better or find a new line of work.
So effing true! FAA controllers are WAY nicer and cooler than contract controllers!! I did the majority of my training at KIWA and they are the absolut worst… and im not the only one who thinks that haha.
Listen to what the ground controller says again... (don't read the captions).
Missing a ton of information on what happened here. With that being said, ATC did a terrible job all around. 172s cant exactly expedite a climb, especially with a newer pilot at the controls and in Arizona where the DA was probably quite high. Obviously they were trying to et the Cessna clear of landing traffic, and they decided a turn and expedited climb was the best option? ATC also doesn't get to tell you that you must land somewhere, they can tell you to leave their airspace, but thats it. Telling the pilot they are "going to the FBO" at an airport they obviously dont know, then handing them over to ground without passing on any of that information to the ground controller, who then tells them they shouldn't be taxiing at an airport they are unfamiliar with (which they were 'forced' to land at) without an instructor on board is pure bullshit. Obviously the private pilot was struggling, especially with the non-standard bullshit ATC decided to make up on the fly, but ATC should have been more interested in helping than criticizing. I'd hate to have an emergency in their airspace because they would end up being more of a hindrance than help.
Based on what we heard, she didn't seem to be a threat to "aviation safety", as described by ATC to the point where she had to be commanded to land where she didn't want to. Unless there was something that we missed, it seemed like heavy-handed overreach. She seemed to be a newer pilot, so maybe he could have worked w/her instead of forcing her to land?
Falcon field, which I'm assuming is her home base, seems to be where she wanted to go. Depending on precisely where she was relative to gateway, it may have been equally close, likely visible to her
Where were these controllers on 9/11? Shouldn’t be taxiing around without an instructor at an unfamiliar airport? WTF? You forced her to land!
i mean, they probably weren't working then. The amount of controllers that were around on 9/11 and are still working today is probably in the minority
Given that the first controller instruction contains the word 'immediately' that would imply some previous issue.
This was over 10 years ago and the tower controller faced repercussions. Even the almighty IWA tower learned they can’t impound airplanes.
Is there an article or some type of publication that explains what happened? I'm really curious because everything the controller had the pilot do was quite confusing.
Can you provide some identifying information so that somebody could verify your comment?
The ATC did not face repercussions
@neilkurzman4907 Not op, but if you look at the latest flights for N738XD, it hasn't left California in nearly two months, I don't think this audio is new
@@noahandthejets Not op, but if you look at the latest flights for N738XD, it hasn't left California in nearly two months, I don't think this audio is new
of course is Mesa Gateway airport... I did a flight in 4:30 in the morning and called them Mesa Ground, they got so mad and said "we are not mesa ground, the name is Gateway"
Seems like someone is in for attitude adjustment at MESA Gateway Tower..
I’ve had that happen too. Not the most friendly airport in the world.
Ground is saying that it's dangerous for a private pilot to taxi on an unfamiliar airport without an instructor? 😆 That's ridiculous.
Progressive taxi has left the chat, wtf?
I thought they would offer that right away but instead they just gave complicated taxi instructions to a shaken pilot W t f .
They said “instruction”.
"without an instruction". listen closely
Pilot Deviation??? Pilot Deviation??? Sounds more like Controller Deviation to me. Forcing a pilot to land at an airport they don't want to land at? Is that even legal/permissible? Best guess is this controller FAILED to spend a few minutes hugging his cat before he walked out the door. A day can only go downhill from there.
controller had zero right or authority to command an aircraft to land based on his minimal flight experience
I think this is fake. If real, was shocking. Controllers are not using proper pilot/controller glossary. The Mesa controllers And stressing out an obviously stressed out, incompetent pilot is the last thing any controller will do. If there is a special situation, I'd suspect the supervisor would jump on the panel.
@@Diesel0821 comments above seem to indicate it's a known sitiuation from several years ago, and. imply thath this (non faa, contract controller) faced repercussions.
From what i see here, she's Aviating, Navigating and Communicating decently. They pushed her to land and like a good student she followed instructions. I wonder who's gonna pick up the tab on the FBO fees and landing fees.
She wasn’t a student. She said she has a private pilot license
I wonder what led up to that to the point where the audio started.
The pilot seems to understand the instructions and to cooperate. Doesn't appear to be confused - she read back the phone number with no issues.
Both these controllers on the other hand have a somewhat bad vibe, I can't explain this. Like very corrupt cops in a bad TV series. The Tower remembered to give her taxiing instruction after how much time??? And then blamed it on her?? That alone sounds like entrapment.
Without any kind of context (dislike!) this seems like an awful situation for the pilot. Her only problem is not being assertive.
Doesn't appear to be confused?? I think her situational awareness is horrible and her taxiing was a mess, not following instructions
@@isaska100 if only there were any instructions provided..
@@isaska100After being berated by the tower controller and given an unexpected "order" to land at an airport that she may not have planned to land at in the first place, there's no reason to be surprised that she was not familiar where things were on the ground there. And being rattled at that point would not be surprising either, especially if she was a relatively new pilot.
I always like how tower numbers are bleeped out even though they are public.
Maybe to reduce spam
the video starts with ATC already giving her a hard time. I think this controller has forgotten ATC EXISTS to HELP pilots, not act like a tyrants of the skies.
Something's amiss here, did anything happen before the clip started? I wasn't aware a controller could force you to land, or force you to hire an instructor to fly out of an airport (and the ground controller's comment was strange too). Don't flame me, but there was a hint of misogyny in some of this (without knowing the full context).
Sounds like the controller is on a power trip. This is way outside of his authority. Really would like to know how this started. An ATC controller is NOT synonymous with law enforcement officer.
I saw another version of this with more of the surrounding traffic. She was crossing the pattern into the face of pattern traffic which had to avoid her. Everything else that followed was super weird though.
@@MeerkatADVshe was nowhere near the pattern.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 How do you know? We don't have her location info. the YT vid puts her on a sat view, but we have no way of knowing if it's cottect.
Falcon field would have been less confusing than Gateway. If ATC is concerned about the competency of the pilot, directing her to a 3 runway airport that has airline traffic, two flight schools and has a puzzle for taxiways does not make sense. The airspace bwn KPHX KFFZ KCHD and KIWA is not for the faint of heart either.
that was painful to listen to
Interesting. I’d like to know where he read he has the authority to tell a pilot they have to land at an airport. I have been a controller for 18 years with the FAA. I worked at a contract tower for almost 2 years. Spent 6 years in the military working airplanes. I have never read or been told I can force a pilot to land. Hopefully the controller got educated as well.
OK... what are we missing? Seemed like a reasonable reaction time from XD. Hard to tell how much time elapsed between the call and the climb since the track was sped up.
we just don't have to info to assess. She may not have been climbing beyond 3300' given that atc called traffic at that level to a different landing airplane.
“You’ve proven yourself a risk to aviation safety” ouch.
She did nothing wrong. This was ATC ego tripping.
totally the controllers fault, controller could have vectored her out of the area and sent her on her way to the airport that she was intending to go to, but instead he gets her to land at an unfamiliar airport and then they have the nerve to tell her that she shouldn't be taxing around at an unfamiliar airport without an instructor on board. Now an instructor has to be flown over to that airport to fly with her back to the originally intended airport. This shows me a total lack of experience on the part of the controller.
Racist controller on a power trip. Hope she files complaints from top to bottom on him. At the minimum he violated her civil rights.
Her flight path was taking her towards Falcon, but she's on Gateway's frequency. It's not on Guard because she's hearing traffic calls meant for other aircraft. It sounds like she was on the wrong frequency and about to bust into Falcon's airspace, which is below 3400'. No telling what she was doing before, though the flight path looks like it would take her through the Sky Harbor Class B. I've flown through there quite a bit and if you're not wired tight with you nav and comms, it's really, really easy to bust airspace.
I would have told ground to give me Progressive Taxi because I’m at an unfamiliar airport and I left my instructor at home.
I gave progressive taxi instructions all the time. It's no big deal!
The captions are wrong. He said instruction not instructor.
Why does this audio sound like something AI generated? None of what happened here makes any real sense here.
This recording originated at least as far back as 2012. Whether AI had the capability to fabricate something like this that early, I don't know.
That Ground controller is insane...so you need to bring an instructor with you every time you fly to a new airport?
She asked to go back to her airport, they said no, made her land where she didn’t want, and then got mad at her for taxiing without an instructor.
Amateur hour in the control tower.
Seriously, do they just let you buy pilot licenses at the grocery store in the US?
Someone like this would never pass their check ride in the EU.
why ? based on what ? What did you hear that we didn't ? Can you point out exactly what it is she did wrong ?
Does anyone know how old this recording is? Lately I've seen plenty of channels posting 10 years old audios without any date stamp or context...
Apparently from another comment, this recording is over ten years old, so yeah.
from registration info-This 172 looks as if it was sold in 2013, by a mesa company. so predates that sale.
Honestly, I’ve heard controllers let a LOT of pilots exhibiting concerning behavior go a long time and never call out their danger to safety, when they should have. I am curious…had this not been a woman with an accent, but ole Charlie-from-hangar-3’s daughter up there, or ole Charlie himself at an advanced age - would the same instructions been given? Not that he’s picking on her, but rather not being as rightly cautious with other non compliant or confused pilots. A question every controller should ask himself. I applaud the concern here. So much better safe than sorry. You can only wonder what went on prior to this clip.
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yesm, but this pilot was a woman with an Asian accent.... that makes it 10x worse.... try and convince me that's not what this was.
Honestly thinking the same thing
@@exploreraa983Have a go with ATC recordings for male pilots. You'll hear for yourself how much more aggressive controllers are with males.
Don't ask the industry to wear gloves with women, but rather encourage the women to become great aviators, able to handle rough situations.
If an engine is going to fail, is not going to say "Oh, there's a female pilot so I will not flame out".
On a stall, the plane won't say "Oh, no, there's a female pilot, I better not stall"
So, if women want to fly but can handle some snarky remarks from some random ATC, how will they handle critical life threatening emergencies?
@@andreea007nobody says those things. I think you need to take a step back and look at this thing with more of an open mind.
"Expedite climb immediately"
"Okay, I've got 'er cranked up to 300 FPM"
ATC needs to be ashamed of themselves.
This entire episode was bizarre. They expected an expedited climb in a C172. They forced her to land, at an airport she clearly wasn't familiar with. Once she was on the ground safely, they didn't explain where she was supposed to go. Yes, she did proceed to taxi after leaving the runway, without contacting ground and getting instructions. That's on her. I bet she was never at an airport with a separate frequency for ground traffic, or perhaps only once. Regardless, they still didn't offer her progressive instructions for taxiing. Just a poor job all around. She must have done something to really anger them, before this video started. Also, it is clear that she is still learning English.
ATC can't force you to land. "Unable" and keep it pushing.
We're not getting the whole picture here. What caused ATC to give the pilot an immediate climb instruction. We need a good 5 minutes of ATC / Pilot communications before this incident occurred. Was the pilot lost, wrong frequency or just incompetent? We just don't know. She mentioned wanting to return to Falcon Field ( airport ) which is about 5-6 nm north of Gateway so I assume that's where her flight started.
She could have landed and wait until midnight, when the tower is closed, and then take off.
I don't know what she did that pissed off the controllers, but they have NO authority to force her to land.
She could have just informed the tower that she is turning north and proceeded out of their Airport Traffic Area, the area that tower controllers have control.
LOL 3:00 - ATC 'police' - yea no, that aint happening - I would have turned around and gone back up.
I know you would want too but remember the hazardous attitudes and that if you did nothing wrong, you shouldn’t feel bad about it AFTER THE FACT.
@@robburgundy9539 this should have been a simple phone call after the cessna got down in the ground at the destination
@@ghostrider-be9ek i agree 100%
Unless there was something else before the clip started - hard to see what the fuss was about. I have never heard a controller being able to make a licensed pilot land their aircraft.
There was. This starts where she goes from just bumbling to dangerous. "Expedite climb immediately and turn" is a clue that things are getting a little too unpredictable.
@@exploreraa983 - He seemed calm enough and apologetic. It's not his emotions on display, it's her incompetence.
@@GWNorth-db8vnno, he (his voice) sounds like a raging bull, but we don't know why. BUT it's really odd that ground then also pounces on her. I really want to know what happened here
@@angelinasouren - No, I'm not buying that. You're hearing what you want to hear.
@@GWNorth-db8vn her incompetence? Like what?
He just doesn't want to fool with an inexperienced pilot
It seems to me that this video and audio only confers the confusion after an incident. What were the events leading up to this? I assume her path conflicted with the other plane on final, but how did she end up there?
Did she have to pay for a instructor pilot to fly back with her to Falcon? 😮
She was flustered and doing a very poor job, but I don’t like this much.
There was no assistance offered, just discipline.
If I were her, I would be arguing that this controller increased the risks when she was already clearly tasked task-saturated.
I think k before the recording started she flew through the surface and first shelf of phoenix bravo. Looks like it from the line/map/track.
What was her sin to cause this action from ATC?
As a layman, I don't completely understand what happened. The comments for this video are cancer, so that's no help.
Something happened before the video started, but it's only speculation about what it was. From the track of the airplane it's a possibility they unknowingly entered the Phoenix Sky Harbor class bravo airspace and were headed towards a smaller class delta airspace prompting the controller to tell them to climb to 3500 immediately. The class delta they were heading towards extends from the ground to 3400 feet of altitude, so that's a possible explanation for wanting them to climb to 3500. As far as the controllers attitude, class bravo airspace only exists around the busiest airports (37 in the United States), so if they entered that airspace without permission then it's a huge safety risk. You have a Cessna 172 which plods along at 90-110 knots flying around not communicating while commercial jets are on approach or departure at 140-250 knots. The video doesn't provide enough detail to know if this is what happened or not so it's just my best guess.
It's also hugely unorthodox for a controller to order a plane to land, they don't have the authority to do that. Not even sure if it's legal or if they could face repercussions for doing something to that effect, so they must've been extremely concerned with the way the pilot was managing the flight to even try something like that.
FWIW, without any contacts the ATC controller sounds like an arrogant sob, who really didn't offer any help or assistance before throwing his weight around. And then the comments from the controllers mate on the ground, were a joke. Unless there was some kind of imminent emergency or danger that's not apparent in this video, I can't help feel sorry for that pilot. This comes across as really poor form, from ATC.
I know of no regulation that says a controller can force a pilot to go to and land at a specific airport. If I’m intercepted sure. This dude at ATC? Not that I can think of.
Whenever I flew a 172, I'd need 2+ minutes to gain 1000'.
Lol a controller can’t force you to land😅
What is up with the audio? It sounds unreal.
True... No date, no context, trimmed to leave out part of the interaction, incorrect transcript.
ATC is way out of line and I hope they get investigated.
More details on the aircraft and timing would be great. This incident is from 2012.
no background on the incident... so what was the dangerous behavior that allows a controller forcing someone to land at a different airport?
IWA has weird VFR arrival procedures so my guess is that she wasn’t aware and interfered with a jet in the pattern at 3100. Typically they just tell people to get out of their airspace so this must have been a big fuckup.
I would have told the controller to f off and flew home and call him. is that even legal what they did?
I wonder if she was having a medical event? Carbon Monoxide poisoning?
Did ATC even consider this?
The controllers could of done better job handling this situation! Instead of attacking knowledge of pilot they should have offered a positive form of help to put the pilot at ease. I have heard worse than this situation and had resulted in a positive ending for both the pilot and controllers.
She is very close to the airport and the approach path, which I guess may be what preceded this. And she sounds like she is not hearing all the radio clearly Otherwise the controller sounds out of line.
I’ve always thought it was a mistake to use the name ‘controller’ I suspect it gets to some of their egos.
They can barely drive. Its no shock they dont fly well either 😂
Not a pilot. Can anyone explain what this pilot did wrong? She appeared to follow every instruction given to her by ATC? She also remained calm on the radio throughout.
We can't tell. Presumably she entered airspace-either the PHX bravo without a clearance-or a delta without establlishing two way rdaio comms, first. And it sounds as if she may have been interfering with trffic landing at gateway. But we don't have the needed info/context in this vid to make the call.
There's something strange and fishy about this video
That atc attitude is not acceptable
There are several class D airports right there side by side and then under the umbrella of the Bravo, but Falcon field is just North of Gateway and I probably just would have let her land at her home airport cause probably less liability. If you look at sectional chart it is the Delta just North of Gateway.
she needs to be grounded ASAP and not allowed in the air. She needs to figure this out, and being forced to land should emphasize it
Ok...but her airport was of equal length away...so you land a pilot that you feel is not competent at an unfamiliar airport, not knowing weather, NOTAMS, taxi diagrams, ect?? Plus and ATC controller can't force you to land at any airport....they can keep you on the ground, and they can keep you out of " their" airport..unless you declare emergency, but not make you land. Not defending her, just saying call her home airport tower and let them know what happened then when she lands there they can handle it. I go in and out of many airports and its hard at some even when prepared....
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@@smudent2010 what makes you come to this conclusion? This audio does not give us the context that leads up to ATC getting super pissed. She was climbing as instructed. She may have low flying hours and being in unfamiliar airspace/airport, a little direction goes a long way.
@@chefruggy8022She triggered a conflict with other traffic and she was instructed to expedite climb in order to avoid a midair crash. ATC was being busy with keeping her and the occupants of the other aircraft alive. The situation didn't allow for social politeness...
@@andreea007If ATC is counting on a C172 to expedite a climb in order to keep everyone safe, then ATC already screwed the pooch! On a hot afternoon that plane has a climb rate of about 300 feet per minute.
Not to mention, according to the animation she wasn’t yet in gateway’s airspace. The animation could be of, but if it’s correct she should have just told them “cancel flight following” and changed frequencies.
So we get no context, they want an exported climb out of a 172 (good luck) and then they shake her up and force her to land at an unfamiliar airport and chastise her for not being familiar. If you’re that concerned why not give progressive taxi instructions?
too be honest I think the pilots accent may have influenced his decision
BS. It was unnecessary extreme use of force I'd be madder than a peeed on chicken somebody's going pay for this
Where's the rest of the communications before this?
ATC can’t force a pilot to land wtf
Climb to 3500 feet immediately,
Pal, my Cessnas got 180 pony's , it ain't the starship enterprise
Glad she followed his demands, but she didn’t have to.
Boy, there needs to be A LOT of background context & further info as to what happened (didn’t happen) here!
Missing context and real time altitudes, it sounds for all the world like the controller is just being an a-hole, but i am confident this is not the case.
ATC forced landing? What the hell?
Can atc even 'force' you to land? Could i just say, 'unable, unfamiliar with the airport'?😅
I don't have a Private ticket but I could have done better than that gal, because I have for years. She sounded overseas. Maybe a new to the states pilot. Maybe a drug mule pilot, in the states. I don't know how you can expedite a 172 to climb, but the controller was sure trying. Where is Paul Harvey? for The Rest Of The Story?. A Very close call or immediate conflict, just by the tenor and tempo of his voice. I did not know they could force you to land, or try. In the long scheme, you could just turn and fly away back to your airport,,unlawfully, with the hounds screaming back at you on the radio, as you scream 'fire", put your boot thru the radio on touchdown and spray some fire extinguisher about. One head scratcher was the Controller having her taxi all over at a unfamiliar port. That shouldn't have happened. he should have froze her on the immediate taxiway clear of the runway.
Not being a pilot; I’m trying to figure what she did in the first place that started all of this. There was no intro as per usual.
Nothing. With what we got in this video wrong she did nothing wrong. Most people are confused about whats happened here.
Someone commented that there's another video providing more recording time. They say she placed herself in front of traffic in pattern and thankfully the other aircraft was able to avoid her in time, thus avoiding a tragedy.
This would explain ATC's decision. She was obviously shaken by the experience and landing asap would avoid further potential incidents.
@@andreea007 I searched and searched but did not find such a video. Do you have a link? What someone said means absolutely nothing.
@@jake_ I haven't looked for it yet. But I've realized that this audio also provides similar information. The problem is that the uploader doesn't show the other traffic. It just shows her plane. But we do hear communication with another aircraft so it's obvious that she wasn't alone in the airspace.
this Controller is RACIST, if I was the pilot i'll tell him to meet me at a field of his choice if he's got a problem.....
Wow another place this is going around….this audio is over 10 years old 😂
She’s not reading back what ATC is telling her to do
The audio is so bad it’s quite possible we aren’t hearing parts of her read back.
And shortening her call sign to XD, which you are allowed to do only after ATC first uses the abbreviation
FYI, this incident was already being discussed on the Pilots of America forum as of Sept. 19, 2012.
Where did the flight-track data come from? Do FlightAware records go back that far?
Is this recorded from transcript? It sounds fake.
I think there is some issue here that has nothing to do with flying. This controller oversteps his authority.
WHAT WAS THAT??? I´m not liking what you are doing, you will land at my airport? Is that some kind of ATC-POLICE stop?
99 bottles of beer on the bus 🎉
This vid seemed to miss the problem.
Not sure where was the deviation here or why the controller was pissed, asked her to climb and turn right heading 180 and she did, didnt do it at the rate he wishes but that's not considered a deviation, any pilot can say unable to comply and thats it, i really dont get it, if it was me i would have given this controller a piece of ma mind.
Is this setup to get view on RUclips? Sounds like it's on a simulator? Vatsim?
Can anyone confirm this is real? This does not sound real at all.
When did this flight happen? I can’t find anything on flight aware or flight radar and there are some major holes in the general ongoings of these transmissions? What did she do that was so egregious that the tower controller thought he had the authority to “force” her to land? Even if she full blown violated the class C they still wouldn’t “not allow” her to return to falcon field. Also interesting point of note, that tail number is registered to a company in CA and I can’t find how it got to AZ
Nvm. She went blasting through the Phoenix Sky Harbor bravo. Wasn’t on frequency with anyone and Mesa Gateway was the first tower to get her on frequency.