Egypt Shark ATTACKS: Shark Scientist Opinion
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2022
- Join shark scientist Kristian Parton as he takes a look at the two fatal shark attacks from Egypt in the last few days. Kristian discusses how these shark attacks might have happened and gives you an insight into which shark species may be responsible.
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EGYPT ATTACKS UPDATE: A specialist committee has released an eight-page document on the recent events in Egypt. It has been suggested based on the coroner’s report, that the bite marks inflicted on the two ladies were most similar to the bite marks seen from Tiger sharks. It is unknown whether this was one Tiger shark or multiple. Tiger sharks (although uncommon) can be found in the red sea. The report suggests that mating season is responsible for the shark coming into the shallows. Although I believe some news outlets are misinterpreting the committee report, with some headlines deciding to run with “sex crazed shark killed tourists in Egypt”... I think the committee is in fact suggesting it is mating and nesting season for turtles (not sharks). The reason I say this is because the report mentions mating AND egg-laying. Tiger sharks are ovoviviparous, which means their offspring hatch inside the mother, and they then give birth to live young - they don’t lay eggs. Turtles of course do lay eggs. The turtle nesting season runs from May - August with a peak in July, for both Hawksbill and Green Turtles. Turtles form a large part of the diet of Tiger sharks and their nesting season could easily have led to a Tiger shark roaming into the shallows looking for prey. Tiger sharks are scavengers and will eat what they can when they are hungry, and this has likely been the cause of Tiger shark attacks on humans in the past. The report suggests these two attacks were opportunistic feeding events. Let me know your thoughts below:
Thanks for the update Kris, had a gut feeling the Mako was being made into a scapegoat.
If, as suggested, a Tiger, or Tigers, have slipped into the Red, does it really matter too much, their mating status ?
Going to get hungry, whatever "jiggy jiggy" it's getting !
Who's the mayor of Hurghada ?
Thanks for the very detailed update! Sounds very likely, I can believe that
God, i love your scientific approach on all shark matters. I think i've seen most of your videos by now, and loving almost all of them. You don't make sharks out to be monsters, neither are you portraying them as cute and cuddly, giving them the respect they should have from everyone.
The only gripe i have is that they are too short, especially the creature features.
I also really enjoy the updates you post in the comments since most of us dont know where to get the original reports.
Did i mention i love the scientific, down to earth approach?
Thanks for your work, i am really glad i found your channel!
Greetings from Germany
@@johnmcnulty1129 It was so interesting to see how quickly the media ran with Mako!
@@maryjane.999 You're welcome Jane
I'm a diver and have travelled on liveaboards in this region and sadly, I'm surprised these incidents don't occur more regularly. Before I begin, it's VERY IMPORTANT to start with the point that SHARKS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM. The problem is how resorts manage tourist access to the ecosystems they're based in.
The Red Sea has an abundance of oceanic white tips and other open water predators; they're biologically programmed to be more curious out of necessity given scarcity of food in their environment. They're so abundant that I practically straddled one stepping in to commence a dive - it was as shocked as I was. The feeding zone is usually 0-5 metres below the surface. As a diver, you have to descend as quickly as possible.
So you can understand why I was shocked to sail past resorts' 'snorkelling zones' marked by buoys that floated over a steep drop-off into the open ocean. This, combined with the irresponsible waste of animal carcasses from passing ships, means you have the risk of unsuspecting swimmers coming into contact with curious predators.
This is a very sad incident and it's about time resorts and tour companies took more responsibility.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Chris, the carcass thing is absolutely bizarre i have to say
Tourists also feed fish , that's a nice way to aggregate prey and get the sharks excited.
Well said, Chris.
I’m not a particularly experienced diver (80+ dives) but I’ve done 3x week-long liveaboards, all sailing out of Hurghada, mainly around the north of the Red Sea.
Funnily enough, from the 60+ dives I’ve done in the Red Sea, I’ve never seen a single shark, although others have seen brief glimpses of Oceanic White Tips on those trips.
I can’t say too much about the resorts. The one I’ve been to had a reef that you could swim around but the water was barely 2m and there was quite a distance before it dropped off. There would be nobody around to help if you got into trouble.
Thanks Rich. Nice to meet a fellow diver.
I'm surprised to hear that you've yet to see a shark there. We had our expectations tempered (as all tour companies do), but the moment we anchored there'd be one circling the boat. On one dive, I looked back and was startled when a silky had come out of nowhere to take a look at my fins. And generally we had to wait for our dive guide to let us know when we could head to the surface because they were patrolling overhead. This was in the south though.
Hello fellow divers… after +100 dives, I believe the North of the Red Sea (near Egypt) less fish but more impressive wrecks like the Thistlegorm… equally cool.
The south, more fish, more beautiful coral, higher chance of meeting dolphins, turtles and sharks. In the far south, at Fury shaol… we actually met 3 reef sharks in total of which one was 2 meters… but the coral caves were even more impressive.
Hello, ecologist from Egypt here, what you said is true, the hotel is located near a reef with a pretty steep drop off, so you most probably will encounter something. I think that’s why habitat surveys are super important, hotels shouldn’t be built or located near areas with drop offs. I just want to say the Red Sea is a beautiful place worth visiting, it has some of the best coral reef ecosystems. However, people should be made aware of information regarding their safety.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts Nadia!
and I've been to Egypt 5 times, and not once! anyone from the hotel or tourist company instructed the tourists about safety.
Hello ecologist.
There are sharks in the ocean.
There, now people are informed.
RIP to the Russian tourist who was killed today by shark in Egypt. Another one that was caught on film . Tragic for all involved .
@lauriep9067 terribly tragic and attack same as Simon Nellist Little Bay Sydney last year.. horrific
A new bread of shark called the Zalensky Shark was responsible.
awwwwwww (sad)
I can agree 100% the ladies were probably killed by Tiger Sharks. Tiger sharks are notorious for taking limbs and swimming away. My schoolmate Mike lost his daughter in a tiger shark attack in the Bahamas a few years ago and it is devastating his family still today - the sharks removed 2 limbs in that attack.
@jritechnology so sorry to read this.. heart breaking :(
Awful 🙁. Makes me shudder just thinking about it.
Just wanted to pay my respects to those two women and to their bereaved families. Terrible tragedy for all involved.
A very sad day for their families thats for sure
@@SHARKBYTES Respect includes not blaming the victim--like speculating about sharks attacking women with jewelry!
@@csmith63, He is not blaming anyone. People should learn from this. If the rules are "swimming forbidden after 6pm" don't go and swim. If someone suspects that jewelry might confuse sharks, don't wear jewelry while in water.
@@csmith63 he wasnt giving blame, he was just giving possible causation
I'm sure they read this.
I seem to recall a study done on the 2010 attacks. They traced them to one particular ship that had been transporting sheep, I believe. There was a disease outbreak on board and they were dumping dozens of dead sheep into the water. They created a trail of sheep carcasses halfway across the ocean right into the Red Sea.
Hey guyz. Let me share some info here. The Romanian woman that died was 40 years old and she was a friend with a known person of mine. She loved swimming in exotic waters as she was recently in Mexico also. Both the Romanian and Austrian women died 600 meters away but the group focused on the older Austrian woman and by the time they counted the heads on the snorkling boat they realised another one is missing. The authorities only found her head and some limbs of the Romanian two days later. There were two problems in my opinion that caused the tragedies. First is that there was a livestock vessel in Sudan than sunk with 15K sheep in the sea hence the reason why the carcasses were floating near the Egyptian shore. The second problem from what I was told is that the lifeguards were warned about shark presence but they laughed saying there are only dolphins here so they ignored the warnings. The tourist phones were confiscated and the rest of the videos deleted. The beaches are now closed there for 3 days for security reasons. May they rest in peace!
The vessel with the sheep sank over 1,000 Km from the site of the attacks, so I struggle to see the relevance of this?
Which hotel did it happen in?
@@LemonySnickers69 Tropitel Sahl hashesh
@@factchecker472 Thousands of sheep drowned and you know everything swims to the shore, the sea is arranged like this and there is a reef... the remains of the carcasses swim to the shore, the sharks follow them and the woman became the victim of the first and bait for the second... the sharks ate the first two days in the reef and found a body. ..the second swam 200 meters away
Egypt is sketchy place
It is also important to include the sunk ship loaded with 15.800 sheeps in June, which might have attracted a lot of sharks
Aww 🐑 😢 😭
Sheeps 😂. Bless
My heart goes out to the families of these victims…. The older lady sounds like she was attacked by a tiger shark. It seems like these sharks tend to take limbs and leave the victim alone after that…
The injuries do suggest perhaps a more powerful shark, with different teeth than a mako
@@SHARKBYTESgreat white or bull?
A shark attacked occurred yesterday in Hurghada Egypt and a young Russian man was killed after being eaten almost fully by a tiger shark. Can you please explore the causes of these attacks?
Ukrainian shark...?
@@tomtrick7051 Tom...cut the family some slack...it was brutal and especially with his family watching.
@@tomtrick7051😂😂😂😂😂😂 or lgbt sharks 👀
@@dongraham8236don’t ask him , he is ucranian most of the people insolent and dumbish
I know what’s wrong nothing is wrong sharks eat people in their waters end of story 😮.
And almost one year later... Another horrific Egypt shark attack that was caught on camera
Horrible tragedy, but glad to see you sharing how to AVOID these situations.
Glad you enjoyed the video!!
The similarities to the Sharm El Sheikh attacks are interesting. Which in my opinion may be the reason for the powers at be to quickly blame the Oceanic White Tip and Mako. I remember in 2010 after the first attacks on Lyndmila Stolyarva and Olga Martsinko they caught an 8 foot White Tip in the area which they implemented in the attacks. The day after the beaches were re-opened Renata Seifert was attacked by what was confirmed to be a Mako. (So unprovoked Mako attacks have happened in that area)
It’s interesting because both of those species are pelagic, but the White Tip is one of the more dangerous. They probably have the most victims if you count the attacks on sea disaster victims. I kinda always thought that the illegal hand feeding of the sharks in that area was to blame. The Sharm El Sheikh victims had injuries to their hands and buttocks which of course is where they would be fed from and the fish stored. Also, similar to these recent attacks there were animal carcasses dumped in the area just before the 2010 attacks. So that seems to be a continuous problem there.
I think the Tiger is the most likely suspect in these recent attacks after all the evidence has came to light. Seems they were quick to blame the previous species without really investigating properly.
Also wanna say that I really enjoy your channel. I really like your approach to everything. It’s open-minded and scientific. I’ve loved sharks since I was very small. Really glad I discovered your channel
I remember snorkeling in Sharm el Sheik in 2013 and 2014. The beauty of the coral reef and how it literally drops off to the deep ocean. That was a little disconcerting.
RIP those that lost their lives and those sharks that will probably lose their lives due to humanity's response. 💔
I've never been before, but it would be an amazing place to visit!
Why do you snorkel in dangerous waters?
@oscarcat1231 tbh I didn't know it was dangerous. As in, I was never told of attacks etc. And the beauty was unreal. But I wasn't aware of chumming going on to attract sharks. I did hear about holiday makers feeding the small fish off the jettys, which they believe has led bigger sharks in. I thought the type of sharks that were found around the coral were not a threat to humans. Only in deep oceans, which we were only on the cusp of. And even then the chances are ridiculously low of getting bitten/eaten. Now I would think twice, especially since more recent attacks. But I take full responsibility for myself, if I go into an ocean, then I have to accept that I could die. More likely by drowning or hypothermia or boat accident than shark. But its still a decision we all have to make.
@@MCrvngraddip2013 thanks for your response. Yes perhaps tourists aren’t being told about dangers. It’s immoral in my view. Yes we must think snd evaluate for ourselves.
I think tourists kind of know but still assume the risk. I would do It too, the beauty has to be overwealming.
Think of how many thousands of people swim there in a year and how few attacks there are, chances are really low. Not zero but pretty low. We humans assume small risks all the time: driving, taking planes, walking alone at night, even smoking or having an unhealthy diet. These are all things that could have fatal outcomes but usually don't, so we take the risks.
I have snorkeled in the Maldives and have seen dozens (hundreds really) of reeve sharks, the beauty of the submarine landscape and fauna was astounding. I'll treasure those memories forever
I just watched the video on Twitter and it is extremely sad. God Bless that poor woman. I can’t imagine her horror. 🥀
A very very sad incident that’s for sure!
Couldn't see it being a Mako. Its teeth arent designed to saw through the bone. That is unless the limbs popped off at the joints.
Agreed, although I suppose a big enough individual could have popped them at the joints perhaps
Those Oceanic White tips fly under the radar on attacks. I was amazed at how many attacks they are responsible. I’m not an expert but from all the attacks I’ve read about my opinion is a Tiger shark. Respect ✊🏼 to the victims and their families
@@juliusbushiv2904 A lot due to the USS Indianapolis. I decided not to speculate myself. But if it was a choice between Mako or Oceanic White Tip I'd pick the latter. I mean personally depending on the area and description of the injuries you got to assume one of the big 3.
Makos are well known for eating sea lions, so it’s still very possible for them to feed on humans. For me to know what species is responsible for the attacks I’d have to see the wounds.
I disagree. I’ve seen them take many tuna 80lbs and cut them off at the gills very quickly at that.
Tragic. I seem to remember reading that the previous incident with a whitetip was precipitated by a guide on dive tours hand-feeding the sharks to give tourists a show. I hope something similar hasn't happened
Wow i hadn't heard previously that they had been hand-feeding in the area
@@SHARKBYTES if I haven't confused it with another string of attacks in the red sea, yeah. The guide had been feeding from a pouch on their hip, and that was the same place the shark was biting, so it was surmised it was expecting to be fed and trying to find it on its own when the swimmers didn't offer
@@SHARKBYTES I believe handfeeding was one of the reasons for these attacks, as the shark appears to have attacked the limbs and buttocks area, where the divers kept fish on a belt; my sister was there a week before these attacks happened, so I watched the episode of "when sharks attack", unsure how accurate those episodes are. I have just found your channel and have been binge-watching your videos.
@@jawsbertIllegal hand-feeding was one of the issues in the earlier series of attacks.
I cannot understand this , the only place a diver’s hand should be is on his body or on his gear … This is rule Nr 1 in diving , rule 2 is keeping your eyes going forth in a 360 degrees , raise your awareness . Nr 3 ) always check your buddy and check each other nr 4 ) take a safety stop at 5 mtrs even if you don’t have to take decompression stops according to the dive plan … nr5) always dive with a Diving knife .
The safest I was , was growing up and doing dives with buddy lines , something we always did in my homecountry , it appears to me that most PADI divers don’t like buddy lines , get used to it I say it might safe your or your buddies life one day …
Thank you for this video. Your respect is most commendable. Your info about wearing jewelry is priceless. I never thought of that and the reflections jewelry creates, even being as simple as a wedding band, is unthinkable to any person just wanting to cool off in a quick dip at the beach. Ill leave all mu jewelry at home before heading out to the water,, even my little sparkling stud earrings. Thank you! New to the Channel. Keep it up and thank you!🦈💕
Always good to remove it just in case, I wear rings and a necklace and they always come off when I enter the water, regardless if I’m expecting to see sharks or not. Welcome to Shark Bytes 😁🦈
@@SHARKBYTESYeah, but you're a professional. I am not. Love and much respect from the USA! 🇺🇸
The quick drop off to the "pelagic" areas of the ocean at these Egyptian reosrts could easily explain the the possibility of the whitetip and lesser so of the mako sharks as being the culprit or culprits. But as you had outlined the tiger may be responsible from the reports given. The Austrian woman loosing quickly 2 of limbs could easily point into the direction of the tiger shark as its bite is cleaner and more scissor like than the bull or great white for instance.
Last time I checked Egypt is not by an ocean.
I have enjoyed your videos and especially the dialogue with everyone. It is however tragic when a life is lost. My thoughts go to the families. But like when i hunt in certain areas we all take risks entering their domain especially when we know what the top predators are.
Glad you enjoyed the video James!
That’s crazy a year later that’s where the boy just got killed around the same beach
Weird seeing a Mako shark being seriously blamed for these attacks. It just doesn’t seem in character for their species. Great video thank you for shining light on this subject.
0ne was involved in the 2010 attack according to the Egyptians
It doesn't massively add up yet for me, so will be interesting to see the reports from the coroner
@@SHARKBYTES Yeah just doesn’t seem right at all. 🤔
Their teeth and known behavior seem entirely wrong for this kind of repeated attack on limbs and soft tissue. Not that they couldn't do it, but they're high-performance machines that don't generally want to risk tangling with species that aren't known to them. Not unless they're fighting for their lives from fishermen.
@@greghenrikson952 Yes their teeth are built to latch onto fast moving fish without them slipping away. I don’t think that their tooth structure could mange to tear off limbs like that.
Report I've read (not from media), but from a person who was there. The Austrian woman went to swim around 7pm (rules are, no swimming after 6 pm, because mako and other sharks feed in the evening hours). In that video, we can see the woman was alone in the sea.
Also, after the incidents mako shark was captured and killed to calm down the public there. Usually, they capture them, tag them and release back to the sea.
She swim in 17.30... also late for swimming in red sea .tiger shark...
That's terrible and tragic... My thoughts are with their families...
I didn't watch the video and I can't imagine how helpless the people witnessing the attacks must feel. I was wondering if there is anything one could do to help if there was a shark attack happening close by but I doubt it...
I think they did attempt to throw a life ring out to her, but she was already making her way back to shore by that point
I understand he was eaten head first as they found his head arms and torso in the shark not sure about the legs.
we in egypt we are used to hear about these attacks in Sharm Elsheikh but in Hurghada!
it's the first time
Thank you so much for your videos and the Hurgada video was shocking, I agree with you and you are brave for discussing this...i felt disrespectful watching the video and bless his soul, the footage is highly valuable to show how we can better protect ourselves against shark feeding behaviors
With the quick loss of limb, my first thought in that area would be Tiger Shark. Mako doesn’t really fit. Would have to be a huge Longfin Mako.
There's some great thoughts on this comment thread for sure, thanks for sharing yours!
I'm not sure why people persist with this 'it'd have to be huge' nonsense. I get the whole teeth argument, I really do. But it doesnt hold up to scrutiny. Bite forces generated by even small sharks are very large, and a sharp knife can cut through joints just as easily as a serrated one if used with sufficient force. The serrations on the teeth of the great white (a close relative of the mako - it is descended from the extinct Broad-toothed Mako) are for slicing through the blubber of ocean going mammals, not bone, and Makos (not necessarily 'big' ones) have been seen to bite seals in half with no serrated teeth issues. Dentition may have evolved for one main purpose, but they are utilitarian and adaptable.
The difference in size between a longfin and shortfin Mako is not really that great, and (if it was a mako) it was more likely to have been a shortfin Mako. The average oceanic whitetip is about 6ft compared to the 8ft of the average Mako, and the Makos reach far larger maximum sizes than do the Whitetips.
Attacks on swimmers in UK waters, albeit rare ones, are attributed to Blues and Makos - but from memory I believe Makos are the majority culprits (based on descriptions of the shark).
Happy 4th of July, bro!
Happy 4th of July!
I've read recently about the attacks in the Red Sea, and the 10,000 cow carcasses dumped in the sea not too far away... I don't remember why they were dumped... They died for some weird reason, OR were culled due to disease??
Yeah there was something about them being thrown over-board with disease or something like that - i can't quite remember
I am always surprised how few attacks happen - which is why they are news worthy.
Agreed, especially ones like this that happen in the same place, in quick succession
same happened in the same beach bro today ! very horrendous video :(
I doubt it was a mako. What species was it in the previous attacks?
Think there was some debate about it being one or more oceanic white tips, but apparently Mako was suggested in 2010 as well
Oceanic white tip in my opinion,,, due to the drop off into deep ocean, these sharks are highly unpredictable and dangerous...
I think white tip is the most likely personally
Wasn't a mako involved in the 2010 Red Sea shark attacks too? I'm pretty sure it was. That would mean 2 unprovoked mako shark attacks in literally the same area.
A few on here are saying it was mentioned, although I don't remember hearing about it being a Mako first time round
The 2010 attacks was an oceanic whitetip shark
@@chrischang9378 One of the attacks was carried out by a Mako:
" The following day, 5 December, 71-year-old German tourist Renata Seifert, who had visited the resort for 11 years, was killed by a Mako shark[8] while swimming in Naama Bay near the Hyatt hotel."
(wiki)
I think a tiger or white tip sounds more plausible and how often does it happen that it is the same shark that bites? I mean, we are easy pray, sure… but do we really taste good? I find it doubtful 🤷🏼♀️ Thoughts to the families ❤️
I'd be leaning more towards White tip - interesting to see the media run with Mako though
My money is on it being a oceanic whitetip.
I think i'd lean this way too - will be interesting to see further reports
Well u were wrong
@@michaelparker6240was it a tiger aswell then?
@@godspeed6980 yup, and pregnant at that, that's why it was so large and probably why she attacked Vladimir,seeing as sharks that big/pregnant can't chase other types of faster prey.
The powers that be changed the topography and like you said it goes from shallow, and then drops off. Personally, I'd find a pool. Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their family... Rest peacefully...
Oh man.... I'm sorry for the losses of the families of the victims. That's just... really really sad.
I feel for the families and the locals who are probably afraid now. I just hope witch hunting for sharks doesn't start because of it. More innocent beings (to lump in the human victims) would make the situation even sadder.
Witch hunt would be quite sad for sure Lexy!
@@SHARKBYTES the incident is so strange. I hesitate to make a guess on what shark it was, if it was even the same shark at all. All we can do is wait for the forensic report on what kind of teeth made the wounds. Tiger shark would make sense, but they don't look anything like the sharks that were "reportedly spotted".
If animal carcasses were being dumped into nearby waters, it may have been a territorial event defending the shark's newfound food source. Another noisy large-ish creature in the water near an easy food source might have been misinterpreted as competition for the food and irritated the shark into attacking these poor swimmers.
Not sure if that tracks with Mako behavior, as you said, since they don't really put down roots, but it was a thought I had whilst listening to this.
I highly doubt a mako was responsible for one of the attacks although they do come close to the shore if there's deep water, we get them off the coast in Sydney but I've never heard of a mako attack on anybody...they're built for speed and are usually out chasing the fastest fish for dinner.
Very true, it would be a strange one for sure - although I believe a Mako has killed someone in the water before. There was even a confirmed (near-fatal) attack in the red sea in the 1970s. I still think my money is on the white tip
Although they are fish specialists, they do, on occasion, take mammalian (mostly pinniped) prey. Attacks on people can and do happen. In general, the larger the shark the more likely an attack on a person is a predation attempt. With crashing fish populations it seems likely that fish eating sharks will switch food item preference and become more opportunistic generalist feeders. Also, more ocean dwelling species tend to be more persistent and opportunistic in their predation methods. If you're living in a desert, you take food when you can.
@@SHARKBYTES Even Jacques Cousteau said they were the most dangerous...tigers are kacksuckas though...
So what do u say about the 3rd and most recent attack? Hectic right!
check out our latest video on it!
Encounters between divers and makos are not rare in the Red Sea (at least they do happen around Sharm as well as in the Tiran Strait). If noisy scuba divers meet makos from time to time, then there are plenty more makos that go un-noticed.
I thought this would be about the brutal shark attack on the 23 yr old Vlad popov last week in Egypt. Which I read was a tiger shark, one graphic video of his savage death. I had not heard about these 2 ladies. Stay out of the water.
It's most likely also the same shark. It remembered those women as easy prey and killed again, that's why it had to be put down, no matter what all the soft wanna be PETA Keyboard Warriors write on the Internet. They have zero compassion for human kind, because they are beasts themselves.
Do you see upload dates?
@@MisanthropicOcellusIm not the original poster but my updates on here are really random. Wouldn’t want to rely on them !
As an Egyptian, my opinion is that the problem isn’t the sharks attacking, it’s more that the management of how deep tourists or locals can go isn’t correct, it isn’t safe being 600 meters within water. I also don’t think anything is being thrown in the Red Sea, it is likely not the reason since fishermen here drag out dead animals from the sea, yet again, we are all unsure, they are rumors and speculations. Thanks for your time.
@SHARK BYTES How about you and the Sharks Happen channel do a video collaboration and discussion on Shark attacks?
Great video
Thank you!!
Bro I’m literally going on holiday right next to this place
I think you’ll be fine, but make sure you stay shark safe in the water!
It’s strange whenever there are attacks in the Red Sea, there are always several in the same stretch of area… And didn’t they say they were dumping animal carcasses in the sea last time those attacks happened, I know it was a different town in the Red Sea but still
i just saw that on a nature documentary last week, the sharks got used to the reliable food source and loads of them were just hanging around waiting for diner to be delivered. it looked well dangerous, i wouldn't want to go in the ocean anywhere remotely close.
The carcass dumping could be a rumour, I haven't managed to find any credible evidence of it so far to be fair
@@SHARKBYTES but you were right about the geography of the shallow beach that suddenly drops off into deep water…it makes sense that open ocean sharks (Oceanic and Mako) would travel so close to the beach as opposed to just Tiger and Bull sharks coming up close…an interesting group of species cruise around the north Red Sea 👀👀
How awful! I never knew about the jewelry but it makes so much sense!
We were on a cruise off Mexico in the gulf and before swimming at Palncar Reef, they warned us not to wear any jewelry or shiny swim suits. We were joking about one younger woman who didn’t listen and called her Barracuda Bite. Luckily nothing happened, except everyone seeing the reef!
@@leealpalazzolo8024 oh wow! And how crazy not listening, glad everything was okay!
Definitely would always recommend taking it off before getting in the water - i always take my rings and necklace off!
Would a mako’s teeth be physically able to tear a humans leg and arm off? I suspect it’s an oceanic. Dived in the Red Sea many times and have seen how reckless some dive boat operators are with them. They associate humans with food and often follow the dive boats between dive sites.
I wonder how many times these women heard this before going in the water for the last time: "You're more apt to get hit by lightning than bit by a shark."
I think "bit" more accurately needs to be replaced with: "savaged, eaten alive, sliced the arm or leg right off, ripped to shreds, killed, disembowelled, split in half, decapitated, swallowed whole," and many other descriptions that describe what REALLY happens -- instead of the unknowing, unemotional, fraction of a second it takes to get "hit by lightning."
No it doesn't because the fearmongering of sharks is causing their extinction.
Glacifi that is a factually incorrect statement.
Nina so sharks aren’t going extinct? Cuz the fact that many species of sharks have lost 95% of their population since movies like Jaws have come out, it seems like they are going extinct because of fear mongering.
Fear may not be the cause of extinction but it certainly gives the disinformation a run for the money.
You say that it’s rare to see makos so close to shore but those other attacks were oceanic white tips that are also open ocean sharks, so is there some reason these open ocean sharks are coming in close to shore?
Update is I hear that the water drops off to deep water very close to the resorts so that would be a reason for deep water sharks to find it easy to cruise in close to shore and to the noise of people.
Where do you go to see shark attack victim pictures? Can't seem to find them on the internet
Do a Google search. You'll find many.
I think that the sample size, 2, is way too small to attribute anything in that it was 2 women that were attacked. Deep water very close to shore could well account for a pelagic Mako Shark or Oceanic White Tip (Carcharhinus longimanus) being involved. With Oceanic White Tip's in that Red Sea area have been involved in previous attacks & their demeanour, I would lean towards that species as being the culprit.
Agreed - more an observation, than any firm conclusion
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Prayer goes out to the family's of the victims
A very sad day indeed for their families
Countries with the most unprovoked shark attacks since 1580 to 2022
US - 1,564
Australia - 682
Republic of South Africa - 258
Brazil - 110
New Zealand - 56
Papua New Guinea - 48
Mascarene Islands - 47
Mexico - 41
Bahama Islands - 33
Iran - 23
egypt-22
Maybe but Egypt has had most of them attacks in last 10/15 years…. Strange
Another one yesterday, brutal
There have been 42 in Egypt not 22
@ militarycomparison - Factors : Population, miles of coastlines conducive to human water activities, tourist development & number of beach resorts, climate year round & seasonal. Bodies of water, seal population...the list goes on.
Coroner's report should be able to determine the shark, given the different teeth shape/structure of Oceanic White Tip v Mako. The Mako responsible for at least one of the 2010 attacks (if they caught the correct one!) was shown to be emaciated and was probably ill, so may have attacked out of desperation for food. Based on the damage supposedly inflicted on the victims, I'd say OWT. If someone claims to have seen a mako swimming near the pier, this could be mistaken for an OWT, but unlikely a Tiger. Very sad for the victims and their families, but also for the negativity against sharks.
Will be very interesting to see the coroner report!!
Yup. Usually.
Truck loads of Makos in the Tasman Sea off SE Tasmania but they do not ever come close to sure. Even with the Continental Shelf as close to the coast line here than anywhere else in Australia, they still do not venture to inshore waters. Highly unlikely it’s a mako. They also tend to be timid and must be enticed into taking baits, they aren’t generally outwardly aggressive.
Whats the difference between a Oceanic White Tip Shark and a White Tip Shark?
was it left arm left leg ?
The attacks happened not far from where they had been churning for days trying to draw “safe sharks” for a dive with sharks business….
(Was supposed to be there but had an accident but a friend of mine was in place.
I guess the same shark was responsible for both the attacks. There must be some sort of explanation for this since a shark attack there is very very rare.
Will be interesting to see when more details come to light
There is a video of Okaloosa Fl, the Island Pier, and it is just regular pier and the amount of huge tiger sharks swimming around it near the beach is nuts. It seems in the Egypt attack there was a pier they were swimming near. (Now that we know report says it was tiger ). Wonder if they hang there for fishing waste thrown off piers? Just a thought
Yep they've learned to eat all the crap that builds up around the piers
Reminds very much the Seychelles incidents of 2011 when two people were killed by shark(s) on small Ans Lazio beach within 2 weeks.
Seems like the culprit of Hurghada attacks is also a rogue shark ,which for some reason had to change its traditional feeding method. The species involved can only be identified if tooth parts remained in a victim body. Though mako is very unlikely to my mind assuming they are not very common in these waters. Most likely longimanus ….
longimanusy pelagic sharks are the first at shipwrecks.. but on the shore almost only tiger sharks hunt, they are not afraid of shallow water
Can you wear Kevlar vest to protect yourself ?
I went on holiday to Egypt once… 🥁 ….but it didn’t cost me an arm and a leg
Correct me if I'm wrong but mako sharks have sharp pointed teeth designed for grabbing fish and swallowing. they do not have teeth that saw through flesh and bone so it was not a mako. That area has oceanic white tips and bulls sharks both have attacked swimmers in the Red Sea. I am very surprised to hear a mako mentioned at all.
I think at the time lots of news outlets were pointing to a mako shark, because supposedly one was caught in the area. People put two and two together and got Mako. But after the wounds were investigated - tiger shark was the conclusion!
Reckon the mako is innocent in this case, not exactly known to be involved in these kind of events. Maybe the waters of the Arabian Sea are slightly cooler right now and "something" more akin to attack like this has slipped through into the Red Sea.
Hurghada a popular tourist destination as well.
Well done Kris for not showing the footage, thoughts go out to the two victims, friends & family.
Its an interesting one isn't it John, but has been documented in Mako's before, so not impossible. I'd probably lean towards white tip though, given their history in the area
It’s always sad when a person dies from a shark attack. I wish it happened less but I guess its natural for two species sharing an ocean.
These things are bound to happen occasionally
the image of the cow...i kept thinking of Twister--so THAT'S where she ended up 😅
very sad about the deaths though :(
Hahahah poor cow
Does a Mako have the bite force to remove limbs? Such a horrific series of events.
Perhaps a big enough one, there has been a fatal Mako attack in the past, I can't remember when and where though off the top of my head
A German tourist in Al quasyr, Egypt in 2015 + Kim Seibel from my neck of the woods, Florida in 1982, both allegedly killed by Makos
The biteforce is a non-issue. Makos, just average in size, have been seen biting seals in half. If they can do that, they can bite off one of your limbs. The size issue is also largely moot. The two potential culprits are the mako or the oceanic whitetip and, of the two, the mako is much bigger.
@@davelister2961 Have you read the Egyptian authorities' report? They identify a Tiger shark or sharks to be responsible. If they were looking to cover anything up I doubt they'd choose the most dangerous of the 3 species.
@@davelister2961 I had no idea that Makos fed on larger marine mammals! Wow. I always assumed they were open ocean hunters, feeding on smaller prey.
Love the glimpses of fur...
One or two of the sharm attacks were verified as being Mako sharks too I believe?
What if they had there monthly?
I thought it was very big of you to clarify that although you are a shark scientist, you are not a shark attack expert. That line is often blurred. 👍
100%, shark science is a huge field that spans very widely across a variety of issues. We shark scientists tend to occupy a specific niche within that field, but do have some knowledge of other things. I'll always clarify this when i'm talking outside my niche
The Romanian woman's name is Roxana and she was 44 year old. She was pretty familiar with the place for it was her 3rd time holiday in Egypt same hotel and area. I couldn't find out from the news what exactly or how did Roxana's death happened. :(
it wasnt a mako shark, it was a tiger shark. The same pregnant one that attacked last week.
There is talk of a new puncture resistant wet suit , yet there seems to be little movement in the market of this suit .Can shark bytes give it a look ?
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Man, this is terrible. Also, I'm leaving for my vacation to Hurghada in two days. My hotel is next to the place this happened. I’m sure looking forward to snorkel there now...
Be safe Charvy, hopefully you're allowed in the water by then, but remember to take all the steps possible to try and reduce your chances of a negative interaction. Also have a great holiday!
@@SHARKBYTES Thank you. I sure hope they allow us to go in the water, I don't want to miss the reefs, but I understand the risks and I will be super cautious when swimming there of course. I wouldn't be afraid normally as shark attacks are extremely rare but since it happened twice there in the last few days...
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You know it Matty
It was our last day of our holiday we had been snorkelling in the morning.going back for one last look off the period premiere le reve hotel a few of us saw a very large Black fin come out of the sea literally 2 mtrs away from the people snorkelling by the buoys/roped area, so got my phone
as quickly as possible and manage to get it but I the distance going away from the pier. I notified the lifeguards but almost laughed at me saying “no it’s reef shark it’s ok “… on leaving the hotel minutes later that poor lady lost her life. I won’t be snorkelling again that’s for sure!
There are also tigersharks in the red sea even to it's very rare.
I've seen a mako shark very close to shore, in an area where seals breed.
Although chances are very small, I still don’t understand why people go swimming or snorkelling further than 5 meters from the hotel reef drop in the RedSea … you are entering the hunting zone of experienced and mostly hungry predators. These sharks see you behaving like a seal on the water surface so for them it’s feeding time!
It’s similar like exiting your rental car when driving in a big five safari park in South Africa …. You are the bait in these environments, not the other way around as we are used to at home.
My condoleances to the families.
I got an update from someone local as to why these bigger sharks were in the Hurghada bay : the day before this tragic accident, there were 14 fisher boats in the bay. These fishermen were cleaning their caught fish on their boat (normal) and throwing the remains in the sea to attract bigger fish. However that is not allowed so close to the coast and said local reported this practice to the marina police, who did nothing apparently… they should at least have alarmed the local hotels and beach guards to not allow tourists swimming…
He didn’t know anything about which type of shark, but does that matter?
For an shark expert opinion you didn’t seem to have much relevant information and depended almost entirely on possible assumptions.
Which is exactly all the information anyone had at the time - including myself. It was all conjecture. If you have a look at the pinned comment for this video you’ll find a detailed update.
Agreed
Sharm el Sheikh AKA Shark Milk Shake. I had a friend who used to go diving there.
I don't think people should be as surprised if a mako is responsible. I'd totally believe it because I live in the area where they're common and they swim wherever they want even though they do live in the open waters. They have a character alright! Incredibly tragic event.
Its possible for sure, although obviously super rare!
Yeah, I don't need to see it, I'll take your word.
Fair enough Scott!
1) could be this or this… That is heard often. Question? Is it difficult to define shark specie from the bite?
2) you mentioned great white bite to let its victim bleed out.
Bull bites and hold on.
How does Maco approach the feast?
I think it was oceanic white tip or maybe bull. Alt. tiger
They were on the shore?? I thought the people in the video were on a boat! Holy molly
Yeah it was from a pier!
I am not sure, but I think Tiger Shark mating season is correlated with Turtle nesting behavior. I believe I read that in Hawaii, many Tiger Shark attacks occur near Turtle nesting grounds. It could be that mating season for both Tiger Sharks and sea turtles overlap, with Tiger Sharks ambushing mature turtles coming off the beaches, exhausted from laying their eggs (or at a minimum, the Turtle nesting beaches will habituate some Tigers to use that area as a hunting ground around mating season). If a similar dynamic exists in this part of Egypt, the local government should proactively install shark deterrents around some beach areas. Having a shark mating ground near Turtle nesting beaches could lead to more frequent shark attacks as the popularity of this part of Egypt as a tourist attraction continues to grow. The area would end up becoming similar to Hawaii, which experiences multiple attacks every year.
That beach should have a large sign saying "don't swim in tgis water there are bull sharks" such signs are often posted at lakes and rivers where alligators are, and they should be posted where sharks frequent.
There’s been more horrific footage recorded but out of the respect for the families those tapes were never released to the public.
What about the recent Red Sea attack on that young man? The footage is painful to watch. He called out for his father.
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Dumping animal carcasses near a public beach seems like a terrible idea, especially when people are already being attacked by sharks in that area.
It's common for livestock ships to dump dead animals overboard. I doubt they would keep any carcasses unless they were really close to docking. I think the currents end up bringing the carcasses to the shore.
A real footage like this one, i just saw it uncensored, it's worse than any terror movie, so terrible! I feel for the womans and the family too, it's so horrible and unbeliaveble.
A very sad day for their families for sure
Can you see any part of the shark ? I saw the poor lady trying to get back to the beach , a bunch of guys standing on a pier and one of them threw a rope in. Is that the same video ?
@@rottweilerfun9520 Yes, seems to be right after the attack, thank god i don't think they've the attack itself on video, so brutal, i know what sharks can, i follow "Sharks happens" (pure truth, brutal channel, no BS), and the host Hal, on the last 2 videos posted the link for this channel, that's how i discovered it. But like i said i know what they can do, but when they finally do and it's recorded it's hard to believe! And thank god the quality isn't very clear. Poor woman. WTF is going on! They just filmed that poor guy in Sydney, with part of the attack itself and now this omg, this kind of footage is so rare, now in idk, maybe in 40-50 days or less we have 2 already, that's so horrible.
@@gabriel-bl4ckh4wk-6 , I watch Hal too , since day one. He tells a great story. It really is incredible his sharp a sharks teeth are and the pressure of their jaws , our meat and bones are nothing to even a small shark. I used to work on blue water charters in the Gulf of Mexico, far out there are mostly Makos. They do a number on your tuna sometimes.
You said that a Mako being an open water shark really isn't Territorial but on the other hand you said White tips that are also open water sharks are Territorial?
This is more to do with the personality of each species, rather than it being defined by its habitat. Oceanic white tips are notoriously more bold/territorial as a species compared to Mako's