We don't have Kurt's opinions on these kinds of shows really, but we do have Dave Grohl's. Dave Grohl said that waiting in a room for 8 hours, singing your heart out for two minutes and having someone tell you it's not good enough is ridiculous. He said if you love music, do music as much as you can, and forever and ever.
"Musicians should go to a yard sale and buy and old fucking drum set and get in their garage and just suck. And get their friends to come in and they’ll suck, too. And then they’ll fucking start playing and they’ll have the best time they’ve ever had in their lives and then all of a sudden they’ll become Nirvana."
Hah Migtonomus that was hilarious. It's not offensive either, since grunge was at first, a word that meant trash. That "sucky," trashy sound is what sounds so good
I respect that he tried to get his message out through a modern medium, but Simons right. Kurt would've despised this show. And I'm sure the survivors of grunge (Eddie, Dave, Chris) all hate these shows as well. It's a sell out to pop culture, really.
He should've realized the difference between someone who actually wants to live that kind of life and someone who just uses a song to demonstrate his vocal range. It was 100% unprofessionally ego-tripping. Maybe next time when someone covers Joy Division they get torn down because they're not depressed enough to bring that kind of music.
I do agree as a musician that it is hard to get out there, theres such an overload of music and sources to hear now days that it's overwhelming knowing what to dedicate the time you're not playing to. Do I just go from bar to bar like people used to, I think that's been somewhat ate by the internet... idk man I don't care to argue about him and him and all that but it is different and difficult because the people that inspired us got heard a completely different way. And there's not a clear avenue for that roll up your sleeves and use some elbow grease attitude as much as it used to be...
@@flamingfairy9 i know it is im a huge fan of him and nirvana I'm just saying the person that commented the quote is saying we was trying to be Kurt but the singer is not
yea i thought i'm gonna hate simon cowell more, because of what he did to 1d, but the title of this video was fake lol. so i'm not gonna hate simon more, but he's a bitch🥳
He does hate the song though, because his rhetorics benefit to whoever rips the profit off Nirvana record sales at the time, trying to sustain that divine, infallible aura around everything that Nirvana ever did, so that the demand on the music market could only be satisfied with what these right owners decide to supply the listeners/buyers with. Which in a sense constitutes an absolutely opposite point from what this song is about -- carrying on and sharing your 'inner fire', a drive to live and create with anyone who gets this kind of sickly yet powerful feeling.
I agree with points both Simon and the long-haired contestant said. Simon was right in saying that Kurt would've hated reality talent shows let alone have one of his songs performed on one and also how rock fans would see a 'rock performer' performing on such a show, as selling out. However, the long-haired contestant did make a good point by saying that these reality talent shows have made the industry hard to access for new artists. Particularly rock artists, as it is more difficult to find another, less manufactured and conforming way into the industry because talent shows have taken over that and the charts. Also the white haired guy who said "If that's true, how did we get Kurt Cobain?" can fuck off because the music industry didn't have all the reality talent shows (or not as many as nowadays atleast) in the 90s to get in the way of Nirvana and their awesomeness. The long-haired contestant was right in saying that this music industry was laughing at Kurt, they didn't think Nirvana's genre of music would ever get popular. But now we can laugh at them for being so ignorant. I think the long-haired contestant justified his actions for coming on the show very well even if I do personally think rock shouldn't be on a reality show in general.
Back in the day these TV Talent shows traditionally had Pop singers, keep in mind this clip was recorded back in 2003...since then these shows have spawned MANY Rock singers. Just look at the rock singers that have came from American Idol...Adam Lambert, David Cook, Chris Daughtry, Bo Bice, Lee DeWyze, Kelly Clarkson (2005/06 rock chick era) Crystal Bowersox etc. There is definetly a place for rock singers on these shows. Simon was just challenging the traditional values of being a "rock singer", that they should stay-true-to-their-roots and not sell out. He was just speaking on behalf of the rock community who may have criticised Peter Evrard's appearance on World Idol. But Peter Evrard finished 3RD PLACE out of the 11 contestants that took part on this show.
pop stands for popular, you're right about that. but the term "pop" is used to describe something overly commercial: pop rock, pop punk, pop this, pop that.
There is No such thing as poppunk, overly Commercial is lady gaga kanye West. Poppunk never touches that level of retardasjon music. So youre saying that popunk dosent exist cause it never was commercial, just blink 182 sold more records than metallica dosent make them commercial cause they have a song called shitpissfuckcuntcocksucker it destroys all commercialism.
KOSCade Sub Pop had nothing to do with Pop. They were the exact opposite. They signed underground punk and metal bands which is how they found Nirvana. Hence the name "Sub Pop" kind of meaning a substitute for pop.
I agree. Great voice. And in the end a whole lot of people would have seen him sing. Which is a win. That said, 100% a rock band was never gonna make a name for themselves on Idol. Just pop.
Oh boy, I think this is the part where I share my unpopular opinion! I agree with the singer here. The point of performing rock music is to do whatever you want, and to hell with anyone who tells you what to do or how to do it. Nirvana might not have wanted to play this show, but I think Kurt would have stood right beside this guy and argued with Simon.
Kurt was always pretty open and wanted people to listen to the message of his songs, and this guy didn't do that. Of course a part of rock is the freedom, but disregarding the message of a song should get you called out for it.
@@jakeelliott9636 Have you never even listened to one Nirvana song? Have you ever even paid any attention at all to the lyrics? The fact that a human being who knows of Nirvana could form that sentence literally blows my mind.
Is this show about musical talent or analyzing someone's character? There's absolutely no reason to compare him with Cobain, he tried to show his talent, not to imitate Cobain's personality. I didn't see him do that with Brian Crum when he covered Radiohead, and Radiohead are not exactly conformists either. He just gave his personal opinion on the guy's character and his unlucky choice of music. Totally unprofessional.
Berak Celana His point is that rockers, all rockers should be against the idea of becoming sellouts, which has nothing to do with this show, and is a naive idea to begin with. Most rockers want to become stars, Cobain did certainly not enjoy the idea of selling out, but you can't compare these two at all.
Simon has a point though. Kurt Cobain would've hated a show like this. The whole point of Nirvana was a big fuck you to the industry and turning it on its head. They were an independent group that came out of nothing and would never have resorted to going on a talent show like this poser.
This is an interesting reaction from Simon Cowell. He must know that the music industry today, which he has helped create, is itself Kurt Cobain's worst nightmare. But he expresses distaste when someone tries to drag real music into his reality TV nonsense. It's like he's saying yeah I've sold out, but keep Nirvana and the real music away from all this, keep them sacred. That shows a degree of integrity which I sort of respect.
normally ppl cry themselves to sleep when simon rejects them, but THIS guy knows exactly who he is and what he wants and couldn't give two shits what simon has to say. he doesn't have to impress anybody, he did this 'cause he wanted to expose REAL music to everybody and did so without expecting much in return. really cool guy for doing this.
Simon is right. Rock n Roll won't exceed through this. Kurt would be ashamed and does not respect the concept of shows like this. At least Simon can admit that this industry is a joke and artists like Kurt despised things like this. Music loses its purity when you have to perform through to judges to decide whether or not you are accepted or successful. Fuck that. Any Nirvana or grunge fan watched this cringing. Singing nirvana on this show is an oxymoron. Don't expect to make it anywhere when you cannot even respect or understand where the music came from.
Metal Manaic Simon is right because the singer doesn't know what he's doing up there. He doesn't understand the irony of him playing nirvana on a show like this.
+Chris E i mean 1 D and similar artists gets so much fame from these bullshit tv shows that ppl dont get to know about these real rock, metal artists even exists
Ok, that is one of my favorite songs of all time. This wasn't a karaoke version. It wasn't a re-imagination of the original. It was a sincere performance in honor of the original. He nailed it. The band was spot on as well.
That wasn't the point. It was NOT the venue for that kind of music and the dude sold out and embarassed himself along with countless alternative music performers and fans. Learn something about Kurt Cobain. This guy's talent was not really in question here.
***** Bro -_- no matter what, everyone eventually sells out. Thats life buddy. I believe Kurt Cobain offed himself due to the fact that his fame began to put him into the main stream. Does everyone wanna follow that path? Hell no. Maybe some just wanna be famous and have their music heard, and sell outs make bank so thats a plus lmao.
Juan Baez U still can be famous without trying to sell your self out on Reality Idol shows..Thats what Simon's main point was.. There are thousands of Metal bands around the world who may not be millionaires but are passionate about the music they are producing to their local fans & still push their music thru to the world thru the internet.. Metal is still for me a more passionate form of music rather than a consumer oriented one.. Reality Idol shows are not the medium to promote yourselves if u are an upcoming metal band...And Simon was correct in saying thta the Rock Fans will consider this guy as a fake or a sellout
+kicsimoe the whole point of Nirvana was saying "fuck you" to the industry and changing a culture. A poser like this guy going on a talent show to sing nirvana is contrary to the whole point of the genre. Nirvana was an independent band out of Seattle that exploded after "Nevermind" was released because they tapped into something that a lot of people liked. Simon is simply saying that by covering Nirvana you are going against everything the culture stands for, and he is completely right. A counter-culture genre on music like this should very rarely be sung on a talent show because it's quite contradictory to its intention.
***** Your talking about Kurt as an individual and I'm talking about the perception the band had and what people that listened to the genre felt. Of course Kurt wasn't perfect. He was full of contradictions and he was a druggie. Still it's important to note that they were an independent band until "Nevermind" dropped and they became mainstream in the sense that they were popular, but the band's perception was the exact opposite. They literally started with very little and became superstars overnight. In Utero was arguably less "mainstream" sounding than Nevermind to many people. Nirvana is a pretty terrible choice to sing on a singing show like this for 2 reasons. 1) Many fans of grunge and early alt. rock will see you as a poser for singing this a talent show. and 2) The way Cobain sings his songs does not translate well for what the judges are looking for on a show like this. Not saying his voice is bad, but it looks awkward. It simply doesn't work, and I wish people would stop.
+kicsimoe Agreed; I'm a big Nirvana fan, but a lot of the fanbase is delusional and refuses to accept that Kurt contradicted himself often and acted like a hypocrite at times during his short life. That isn't meant to discredit him in any way, but he was human and flawed just like everyone else. The hero worship is a bit disconcerting and something he ironically was never comfortable with although he worked hard to get that kind of notoriety and attention.
Props to the guy for singing this in this pop show. Kurt wouldn't have and the fans will agree but this guy did the unexpected. There's no shame in this.
"If that's true how did we get Kurt Cobain?" Seriously? Yeah rock used to be about rebelling and being anti-corporations or whatever but that isn't the world we live in anymore. When is the last time a self-made indy rock band became world renown as the greatest musical act going? We live in a world of Nicki Minaj and other flashes in the pan, why shouldn't rock performers get a crack at that.
I hated how it came out of Simon’s mouth considering American Idol type shows are only creating fake artists who come prepared with a back story, a look, and a good singing voice. Music used to be art. Now it’s a consumer’s product to use up and throw out when done. Of course rockers will think this guy sold out. The show itself is basically selling out. Simon acts as if a truly genuine person would actually take their skill to a place like American Idol. Maybe a dumb one who just wants to be famous. Those dumb ones are easier to manipulate
I %100 agree with the singer, anyone who's been a musician seeking to make a living off music for any measure of time knows that you have to take opportunities that are presented and that you need exposure. Simon does make a point and I'm not too certain that Kurt would "love" this but I've spent a lot of time listening to his music and listening to him talk and I don't exactly see how this is conforming for one, and plus I think Kurt would've been kind of happy that someone came on that show and sang something other than smells like teen spirit. people are forgetting that there weren't really many shows like this in Kurt's day and there's still a live possibility that Kurt might've gone on one with the band to get exposure or chase his dream,there's nothing wrong with chasing a dream and doing what you can to further it,as long as its not selling out and that's not what this is at all.
who knows what Kurt would've done. but its funny cause Simon ripped apart this guy for being "rock" and conforming/selling out by being on a TV show when there was another rock artist in ... i think X Factor and he absolutely loved him. What irked me is they didn't comment on the actual performance... just his character. I get what Simon is saying, but at the same time.... what a way to show your colors. (not saying his performance was AMAZING... )
Reynold Adamson True dat but he's still a legend man,his opinion would mean alot to alot of people tbh,doesn't really matter but simply used as a merit to disproving Simon's point
Love this guy...he makes his point. The music industry dont even listen to good music...look at the artists who are famous right now. Most of them cant even sing. This guy can sing!
This is a perfect example of what the industry instantly hears and sees. This dude made his best effort for sound grunge-alike but unfortunately as much as we love it, we already know what it sounds like. The music industry wants a new sound in new faces.
I think Simon is right on this one. If you're gonna sing a Nirvana song, don't you dare do it for publicity. That's not what Nirvana was about. If Kurt was still alive when this was going on, I don't think he would like what that guy was doing at all.
I think Kurt would have invited him to their next gig and gotten him up on stage. Kurt wasn't mean. He would have agreed that Simon made the industry into a nightmare for guys like this.
M Macmillan but these days can a label pick you up off of youtube when you do grunge music or is that comforming too? Because if that is than you are stuck singing in the school talent show...or is THAT comformng? Basically unless a record producer drives by and hears your band preforming in your garage or yiu magically get a bar to let you guys perform depending on the area you live in....or maybe you are stuck singing, not selling records, and having like zero fans....
Simon is actually right. He wouldn't be accepted by the modern rock community because he has conformed to the manufactured industry. If you look at all the biggest rock bands of the past 25 years they have all been punk, metal, and indie bands that are true to their roots, e.g. Metallica, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Oasis, Green Day, Foo Fighters, The White Stripes, The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys etc.
+USCFlash I'm a huge nirvana fan and I'll be the first to say they didn't stay true to their roots. Instance nevermind album. Huge deal but was too pop for Kurt. If they woulda all stayed true to their roots they would be playing small shows and bars and not selling lots of albums and working for huge corporations. And nirvana woulda had another album like bleach or in utero
+Daniel Malone 1. I never mentioned Nirvana, I simply pointed out that Pearl Jam, Foo and Oasis, are not punk, metal or indie. 2. That said, if Nevermind was "too pop" just because it was very produced, then Kurt should not have done it. But frankly, just because a couple of songs were very produced and had a heavy rock sheen to them, does not constitute it as merely pop or lesser songs. There are plenty of non "pop" songs on Nevermind. Polly Endless Nameless Territorial Pissings Something in the Way Breed are not pop. And songs like Drain You, Lithium, Come as you Are and In Bloom, are still very heavy rock songs, that while slickly produced, are heavier than many early Nirvana songs from Bleach era, and previously recordings made before Nevermind. And Bleach had "About a Girl" on it, which is as pop as it gets, but still a great song. And I like Bleach but the fact is, a lot of the songs on Nevermind, are in fact, far better songs, musically, than Bleach. They show a maturing songwriter. School, Negative Creep, Floyd the Barber, are all great songs... But are the rest of the songs on Bleach "better" than Breed? Polly? Something in the Way? Or the big hits on Nevermind? I feel about SLTS the way I feel about Stairway to Heaven, since Zeppelin is my all time favorite band, with The Beatles and Nirvana 2 & 3 behind them. I dont listen to SLTS or Stairway, because they have been overplayed....they are still great, but i might only listen to them once every two years. I listen to Polly and Something in the Way, and several In Utero tunes far more than SLTS. 3. "If they woulda all stayed true to their roots" Since all the "pop" songs on Nevermind were written long before the release of Nevermind, all the songs, were in fact, written during their roots. just because they were then slickly produced wold not have changed anything. Be honest, put on Nevermind tonight (or tomorrow) and listen to SLTS, Lithium, Drain You, Come as You are, and In Bloom.....and then imagine if they had been produced with the same style as some of the great tunes on Bleach. There would have been very little appreciable difference in how catchy those 5 tunes were. There might have been more fuzz, feedback and abrasion, but the melodies were absolutely there and they would have still hit it big....but maybe not "as big" it might have sold 20 million instead of 30 million. 4 "If they woulda all stayed true to their roots they would be playing small shows and bars and not selling lots of albums and working for huge corporations" That is not fair....what if you stay true to your roots, and people love that, and more people come to your shows and buy your albums? being more popular does not mean you have been disloyal to your roots. You do not have to play small shows and not sell a lot of albums to be true and honest. 5. If you retain creative control, and make the music you want, then working for huge labels, is not betraying your roots. In Utero and Unplugged are examples of that....coming after Nevermind 6. "And nirvana woulda had another album like bleach or in utero" They would not have had another album like In Utero, because Kurt would not have gone through the same fame issues he went through during writing most of the In Utero material. Things would be completely different...teh enxt studio album, may have been the "pop/sellout" album. And if they had another album like Bleach, instead of Nevermind, they would not be going anywhere, because they would not have been evolving as a band, or Kurt as a songwriter. 7. That said, Nirvana did remain "true to their roots" since really, they were never a "punk band". Some people like to call Nirvana a "rock influenced punk band"....no way, imo they were a "punk influenced rock band" and always were. Kurts influences were always in the earliest roots of rock, from the Beatles, to Leadbelly, Zeppelin, etc...he was introduced to punk long after he was introduced to punk, and though he loved the punk aesthetic, definitely, and was hugely influenced by it, he added punk to his already rock repertoire and leanings. Melody is not the base of punk, in the same way it was the base of the Beatles, and Kurt's mastery was melody. That was his genius, i believe, from his natural talent as well as the Beatles influence, since the Beatles are arguably the greatest ever rock band when it comes to learning pure melody. As such, he did stay true to his roots, even if it meant signing with a big record company. The vast majority of the songs for Nevermind, were written long *before* they signed with DGR....it was that demo tape, originally, that got the interest of the major labels. Sorry for the numbering, i like to keep things straight in discussions. These are only my opinions, of course.
+USCFlash I agree with you on all of that and I didn't mean to tag you lol I meant to tag the other dude. My bad. But yea it is well known Kurt disliked nevermind because of how it sounded which is odd cuz he had a great ability to write a great pop song.
Daniel Malone no probs, it did seem odd when you were talking about something i did not say :) and i agree with on what kurt said, but i also believe that kurt was a great at embellishing, and you know he really liked stuff like polly, something in the way, territorial pissings, etc....and breed, drain you and lithium as well....he might have ultimately not liked the sheen that he himself chose to put on, but i believe he really did like nevermind, just not all teh acclaim and new audience it brought him. and yes he had a masterful ability with melody...which is what i think he knew and did secretly like even if he felt it dimished his cred....it's what everybody said though, Dave, Krist, even Courtney (blech, we wont go there) they all said the same thing...."he knew he was the shit" I think he knew *exactly* what he was doing with nevermind and tried to make it as accessible as possible while still retaining his credibility and most of his idealism....and lets face it, he really was never as idealistic as he pretended to be....he had integrity, but he knew he alwso wanted certain things, that came only with success, and he has a right to earn a great living and be popular, imo, all artists do, if they are honest. That said, not a week goes by when i am not listening to at least 20 different Nirvana songs....they were a big part of my life in 91-94 and remained so till this day, as it sounds like for you as well
Simon is so cocky and arrogant that he thinks he can talk in the name of the rock n roll community, and at the same time he represents the pop music industry himself.
***** Disagree. I like and sing Nirvana songs and I'm not part of Kurt's ideology necessarily. Kurt might not have signed for something like this, but dude! He signed for MTV show, which is pretty much as mainstream as this.
***** Simon focused his criticism on ideology, which I don't really think that is relevant for a pop show judgement, and, yes, he also talked about originality. I see as hypocrisy the "originality" card coming from Simon once I've seen he applauding much more unoriginal candidates in other auditions. I think he was super unfair with the guy. I mean, he could just have said "I didn't like", but why humiliate the guy? I've seen him being an asshole many times, including this one.
Simon is 100% right he kind of sold out by trying to get big on this show...punk rock is all about the love of music not selling millions of records. with today's social media and youtube it's easier then ever to be heard and you don't need to come on these shows. even dave GROHL hates these competition shows and thinks it's destroying music...people are getting lazy and think all you have to do to be famous is come on one of these shows...and if 5 judges don't like you well you suck never follow your dreams....when kurt cobain NEVER would have won on a show like this
You're bringing Grohl into this? He's been misusing his status as the 'drummer for Nirvana' to harvest his own success since the beginning. If not for that, he would never be as famous. Secondly, did you watch the funeral service of Lemmy? Dave didn't even know him, yet he talked for several minutes (even bringing up the fake tears) until the point that time ran out and the broadcast ended. Normally Ozzy was scheduled to say some words to one of his oldest and best rock friends who just passed away, yet he was uanble to because of Grohl's ranting. It had 'acte de présence' written all over it. Never liked Grohl and never will. Simon has never known what rock and roll is about and has no authorisation to judge Peter, who knows how hard it is to get somewhere with rock or metal music in Belgium. The industry HAS made it this way
+hoi “dompie7” koe Exactly. The only American Idol winners that I hear anything about are Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. The rest I hear nothing from. The only other two Idol finalists that I hear anything about are Chris Daughtry and Adam Lambert.
***** Kurt talked about his vision, the music he wanted to make at some point down the line. It was something like breakdancing meets skinny tie new wave.
I love Kurt Cobain and if I have a boy I'm naming him Kurt. As always Simon is dead on. A lot of speculation surrounds why Kurt shot himself...we'll never know but among the many theories is he saw where the music industry was going and he could not bear it. Any true Kurt Cobain fan would never ever perform his song in this fashion. As some theories suggest Kurt foresaw this stupid shit happening and blew his head off...so he'd never see some long haired buffoon singing his song on some lame "talent" show (which Simon later said he HATED). Whether this was a good performance or not isn't the question. This is exactly the kind of thing Kurt was always against and for that reason I HATE it and it is absolutely terrible. Simon isn't even American and he knows that. This is in insult and I want to punch this guy for that and for arguing with Simon...who made me laugh because it is obvious he is miserable being there. "...and rightly so." HA!
Out of all those grunge bands, Nirvana is the only one most people hear of. The singer makes a good point. Grunge artists who are true to their style live in ordinary or even poor circumstances. It took the public so long to recognize a man like Kurt and so many talents remain unrecognized. Besides, Lithium is a song, and this show is for singers. Is rock/grunge music not to be performed on idol shows? If so, why? So a singer of alternate rock has to content himself with the large possibility of never being recognized for his talents?
Stanley Wu Pretty much, yes. Real people have to work hard for their sucess and gain more respect and self-respect because of it. True musicians play for the love of their art, not for recognition.
***** In the shitty low economy world we live in, its hard to do things simply due to having a passion for it. This is reality man, sorry. Eventually, the tough, rebellious rock persona isn't gunna get you where you wanna be in life. Some people wanna hit it big, and actually get to live the dream of maaanny people.
i mean what Simon said about Kurt not wanting this thing to happen is true but then i can't really defend simon because kurt did steal original ideas from other people so ....ehh
Simon cowell is honestly one of the most intelligent people in the music industry he knows what hes talking about and people hate him because of how honest he is.
the guy has talent, and it's a shame that he's obviously trying to be like Kurt, I mean he has the whole uncut shaggy look, by going straight on tv and having other celebrities tell him weather he's good enough or not. Nirvana were just three high-school rejects from rainy Seattle: depressed white teens with a dream, they started off by working hard in the underground industry, then they attracted other depressed white teens who could totally relate to them and they blew up. because of their rebellious, energetic and ORIGINAL vibes. Dave himself already expressed his hatred for talent shows like this, because unless you're under great circumstances like One Direction and/or Leona Lewis the farthest you will ever get is one hit straight after you're win and then before you know it you're no longer the obsession. Besides, while we're being real here, a guy like this would never win a modern talent show, they're looking for freshly cut late teen kids who have their whole lives ahead of them.
Simon is right but he has no place to talk he is just an arrogant wanker who probably cant even sing himself and american idol was just fine without him it just goes to show how irrelevant he really is
Here's my problem with this... Cowell is telling this guy to get famous and become recognized by doing something similar to Kurt (which took years and must have been very hard) just because he's doing a different fucking genre other than pop? That's almost impossible nowadays. He lets everyone doing pop music compete on his show. Why not rock n' roll? Simon cowell is the one that helped create all these shitty boybands and new artists which have no meaning behind their songs and sing about the same topics repetitively. This dude seems like he has talent, so what the hell is cowell's problem now?
The guy did have a point about honest musicians having to survive on nutshells to get mainstream attention, all due to the way that mainstream producers (and media) are biased towards easy crap. Happens today as well.
It's actually a valid and interesting discussion. I agree with Simon that he's "doing Curt", but the guy is also right that it's almost impossible to get attention like Nirvana did in their day. It just doesn't work anymore, mainly because of this kind of shows and because of our addiction to social platforms, a short attention span etc.
Finally, "Who are you to judge me for being real?" Well, they ARE judges. You agree to perform for them and have them critique your performance. That's how a contest works. The only thing that's lame is that Simon Cowell is trying to claim credibility in what "Real" music is meanwhile his entire enterprise focuses on finding beautiful, breathy, and bland singers to win a contest held through singing the most cliched and uninspiring songs of all time.
1D 5SOS DEF LEP I actually think he sounds more like James Hetfield than Kurt Cobain. The way he sings sounds more metal than punk. But It's a cover version that's close to the original... He had to sound like Kurt Cobain.
Simon was right. Nirvana is a seperate entity from other grunge and rock music. Kurt would have hated this. There were so many songs he could have picked. No matter how much he loved this song, it was one of the worst song choices for this kind of show. They weren't about becoming popular and selling rcords. And that is exactly what these kind of shows are about.
Rebecca Woodward No true artist ever was about becoming popular and selling reccords, u think Korn or Disturbed or Linkin Park only made music cuz they wanted to become popular? This show is about showing what undiscovered talents your country has in the music world. I remember watching this guy's first audition he said he only wanted to come sing his rock song cuz he likes to sing. That's all. Then they voted him to top and wanted him to represent Belgium, if you had the honour of representing your country in whatever it is would you say no just cuz you don't believe in it or feel like it's against your principles?
Well, his friends and family would know. But really, Nirvana is not something that should be used for karaoke. Even if it's by a great singer on the world stage. Even established artists don't do it. Evanescence learnt the hard way. The backlash when they did lithium was huge. Even the foo fighters, who actually were in Nirvana don't do nirvana songs. That alone should tell you that it would be a no go
I didn't really like the way he sang this song. In my opinion Kurt was the only one who could sing it properly. Also I agreed with what Simon was saying.
I think this guy is rock and roll just for staying up there and arguing his point and standing up for himself. He could've just told Simon "You know, you're right" and backed off but I respect him for not letting Simon just feed him bullshit he didn't believe was true and kept his mind focused on his dream to be on the show
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We don't have Kurt's opinions on these kinds of shows really, but we do have Dave Grohl's. Dave Grohl said that waiting in a room for 8 hours, singing your heart out for two minutes and having someone tell you it's not good enough is ridiculous. He said if you love music, do music as much as you can, and forever and ever.
Very true! Although I think it's very safe to say he would've completely hated the concept, especially the reality TV shows!
"Musicians should go to a yard sale and buy and old fucking drum set and get in their garage and just suck. And get their friends to come in and they’ll suck, too. And then they’ll fucking start playing and they’ll have the best time they’ve ever had in their lives and then all of a sudden they’ll become Nirvana."
Hell yeah Dave did say that!!!
Hah Migtonomus that was hilarious. It's not offensive either, since grunge was at first, a word that meant trash. That "sucky," trashy sound is what sounds so good
Jake Bulette Yeah Dave Grohl said that
The "yeah" part sounds a bit like James Hetfield of Metallica. "Yeahhhh"
yeah I noticed
you mean "YEAH!!!! i noticed."
What I thought
mitch mclean lmfaoooo exactly!
YEAHH EHHH!!!!
He's actually really good. Singing like Kurt is hard as fuck. Props to him.
this show is only for Justin beabers wannabes not for real music like Nirvana
I love it !! So fuckin true!!
Yeap
Facts
ok
I really wanna know what real music is according to you
Was it just me or did that sound like James Hetfield singing a Nirvana song!
To me he sounds like Chris Shinn from Live.
holy shit i thought the same
Timothy Decker Only slightly, but not enough for me to have thought about it on my own.
was thinking the same thing lol
Ewwww Metallica...
I respect that he tried to get his message out through a modern medium, but Simons right. Kurt would've despised this show. And I'm sure the survivors of grunge (Eddie, Dave, Chris) all hate these shows as well. It's a sell out to pop culture, really.
true
***** Kurt didn't hate fame. He hated the impossible expectation that he was going to change everyone's lives.
Brian Lee It's because he's using Kurt's words for something Kurt would've hated. He would've never been okay with that guy using his song on there.
Brian Lee
BECAUSE HE RUINED IT.
AND ONLY ASSHATS RUIN GOOD THINGS!
Dave Grohl has actively stated that he dislikes Talent Shows.
That bizarre moment when you realize that Simon Cowell actually gets punk-rock
it's called grunge
but nirvana didn't seem that "punk"
+TheGamingSloth They definitely fit into punk. Especially pre Nevermind and even then they still retained the attitude throughout their career.
Grunge was a form of music that mixed metal with punk. It's not a nickname for punk.
Grunge is a term corporations invented to ship CDs and sell flannel shirts for double the price.
Simon knows the rebellious feel of grunge, he's right.
He should've realized the difference between someone who actually wants to live that kind of life and someone who just uses a song to demonstrate his vocal range.
It was 100% unprofessionally ego-tripping.
Maybe next time when someone covers Joy Division they get torn down because they're not depressed enough to bring that kind of music.
100%
he sucks. Simon is right
I do agree as a musician that it is hard to get out there, theres such an overload of music and sources to hear now days that it's overwhelming knowing what to dedicate the time you're not playing to. Do I just go from bar to bar like people used to, I think that's been somewhat ate by the internet... idk man I don't care to argue about him and him and all that but it is different and difficult because the people that inspired us got heard a completely different way. And there's not a clear avenue for that roll up your sleeves and use some elbow grease attitude as much as it used to be...
we have no clear blueprint
"Being someone you're not is a waste of the person you are."
~Kurt Cobain
He's just singing the song he's not impersonating kurdt
@@Iamthemerkin what?? 😭😭 that’s literally a kurt cobain quote 😃
@@flamingfairy9 i know it is im a huge fan of him and nirvana I'm just saying the person that commented the quote is saying we was trying to be Kurt but the singer is not
hes just covering a song bro, just because he has long hair doesnt mean hes impersonating Kurdt
but killing yourself prematurely isn't a waste of the person you are?
Simon is absolutely right on this... but the dude is right when he said' "you guys made it this way, young artists can't get a contract anymore".
This title sucks and is misleading. He never hated the song, he hated the singer.
MrJo826 the title never said he hated the song ???
Don’t worry about it
Because he is noname
yea i thought i'm gonna hate simon cowell more, because of what he did to 1d, but the title of this video was fake lol. so i'm not gonna hate simon more, but he's a bitch🥳
He does hate the song though, because his rhetorics benefit to whoever rips the profit off Nirvana record sales at the time, trying to sustain that divine, infallible aura around everything that Nirvana ever did, so that the demand on the music market could only be satisfied with what these right owners decide to supply the listeners/buyers with. Which in a sense constitutes an absolutely opposite point from what this song is about -- carrying on and sharing your 'inner fire', a drive to live and create with anyone who gets this kind of sickly yet powerful feeling.
The guy sounded amazing and made really good points, the show just puts in who they want to win.
I agree with points both Simon and the long-haired contestant said. Simon was right in saying that Kurt would've hated reality talent shows let alone have one of his songs performed on one and also how rock fans would see a 'rock performer' performing on such a show, as selling out. However, the long-haired contestant did make a good point by saying that these reality talent shows have made the industry hard to access for new artists. Particularly rock artists, as it is more difficult to find another, less manufactured and conforming way into the industry because talent shows have taken over that and the charts. Also the white haired guy who said "If that's true, how did we get Kurt Cobain?" can fuck off because the music industry didn't have all the reality talent shows (or not as many as nowadays atleast) in the 90s to get in the way of Nirvana and their awesomeness. The long-haired contestant was right in saying that this music industry was laughing at Kurt, they didn't think Nirvana's genre of music would ever get popular. But now we can laugh at them for being so ignorant. I think the long-haired contestant justified his actions for coming on the show very well even if I do personally think rock shouldn't be on a reality show in general.
Back in the day these TV Talent shows traditionally had Pop singers, keep in mind this clip was recorded back in 2003...since then these shows have spawned MANY Rock singers.
Just look at the rock singers that have came from American Idol...Adam Lambert, David Cook, Chris Daughtry, Bo Bice, Lee DeWyze, Kelly Clarkson (2005/06 rock chick era) Crystal Bowersox etc. There is definetly a place for rock singers on these shows.
Simon was just challenging the traditional values of being a "rock singer", that they should stay-true-to-their-roots and not sell out. He was just speaking on behalf of the rock community who may have criticised Peter Evrard's appearance on World Idol.
But Peter Evrard finished 3RD PLACE out of the 11 contestants that took part on this show.
Couldn't of said it better myself myworld.
This comment is 100% on point.
what is the guy even arguing, grunge was the polar opposite of pop culture
pop stands for popular, you're right about that. but the term "pop" is used to describe something overly commercial: pop rock, pop punk, pop this, pop that.
There is No such thing as poppunk, overly Commercial is lady gaga kanye West. Poppunk never touches that level of retardasjon music. So youre saying that popunk dosent exist cause it never was commercial, just blink 182 sold more records than metallica dosent make them commercial cause they have a song called shitpissfuckcuntcocksucker it destroys all commercialism.
Commercialism is about sailing to the top on someone elses wings. Punk even poppunk never does that, except the newer ones
KOSCade Sub Pop had nothing to do with Pop. They were the exact opposite. They signed underground punk and metal bands which is how they found Nirvana. Hence the name "Sub Pop" kind of meaning a substitute for pop.
+KOSCade No you clearly attempted to say that the name of one of Nirvana's record labels proves that Nirvana made pop music.
That dude singing really nailed it tho like wow
@@Acer20062 I agree.
I agree. Great voice. And in the end a whole lot of people would have seen him sing. Which is a win. That said, 100% a rock band was never gonna make a name for themselves on Idol. Just pop.
@@EchoBravo370 Bo Bice, Chris Daughtry, and Caleb Johnson were huge on American Idol
That yeeeeaaah would have made James from Metallica proud.
Oh boy, I think this is the part where I share my unpopular opinion!
I agree with the singer here. The point of performing rock music is to do whatever you want, and to hell with anyone who tells you what to do or how to do it.
Nirvana might not have wanted to play this show, but I think Kurt would have stood right beside this guy and argued with Simon.
Kurt was always pretty open and wanted people to listen to the message of his songs, and this guy didn't do that.
Of course a part of rock is the freedom, but disregarding the message of a song should get you called out for it.
GEWDFERYEW lol what in the world were any of the messages of any of Kurt songs
argue with simonn??that simon shit is footdust compared to kurt,,kurt would never argue with some lowlife shit like simon
@@watchtube9429 Haha
@@jakeelliott9636 Have you never even listened to one Nirvana song? Have you ever even paid any attention at all to the lyrics? The fact that a human being who knows of Nirvana could form that sentence literally blows my mind.
Is this show about musical talent or analyzing someone's character?
There's absolutely no reason to compare him with Cobain, he tried to show his talent, not to imitate Cobain's personality.
I didn't see him do that with Brian Crum when he covered Radiohead, and Radiohead are not exactly conformists either.
He just gave his personal opinion on the guy's character and his unlucky choice of music.
Totally unprofessional.
May i ask you? What is exactly simon's point ?
Berak Celana His point is that rockers, all rockers should be against the idea of becoming sellouts, which has nothing to do with this show, and is a naive idea to begin with.
Most rockers want to become stars, Cobain did certainly not enjoy the idea of selling out, but you can't compare these two at all.
There is every reason to compare him to Kurt when he even tries his hardest to emulate his singing style and voice.
John Jönsson He sounded more like a bad imitation of James Hetfield attempting to sing a Nirvana song.
Jason S. In the chorus, absolutely! I didn't think of that.
Other than that, he copies every fragment of the way that Kurt sang.
Simon has a point though. Kurt Cobain would've hated a show like this. The whole point of Nirvana was a big fuck you to the industry and turning it on its head. They were an independent group that came out of nothing and would never have resorted to going on a talent show like this poser.
Exactly
plus nirvana wasn't in It for the money
and played on MTV
"a big fuck you to the industry and turning it on its head", BUT they took money for gigs, shows and awards so...
+DarthGhtiza yes, and then he committed suicide...
Honestly I think it’s just hard for anyone to cover anything Nirvana. Kurt’s voice was unique and he just had a way of making his music his own.
it was a good cover though
Kurt had an amazing voice
This is an interesting reaction from Simon Cowell. He must know that the music industry today, which he has helped create, is itself Kurt Cobain's worst nightmare. But he expresses distaste when someone tries to drag real music into his reality TV nonsense. It's like he's saying yeah I've sold out, but keep Nirvana and the real music away from all this, keep them sacred. That shows a degree of integrity which I sort of respect.
normally ppl cry themselves to sleep when simon rejects them, but THIS guy knows exactly who he is and what he wants and couldn't give two shits what simon has to say. he doesn't have to impress anybody, he did this 'cause he wanted to expose REAL music to everybody and did so without expecting much in return. really cool guy for doing this.
Simon Cowell was right, Kurt would hate it to be there
Simon is right.
Rock n Roll won't exceed through this. Kurt would be ashamed and does not respect the concept of shows like this. At least Simon can admit that this industry is a joke and artists like Kurt despised things like this. Music loses its purity when you have to perform through to judges to decide whether or not you are accepted or successful. Fuck that. Any Nirvana or grunge fan watched this cringing. Singing nirvana on this show is an oxymoron. Don't expect to make it anywhere when you cannot even respect or understand where the music came from.
Lmaooooo you're precious.
So u say simon is right and u ate suporting the singer..
+Metal Manaic are*
Metal Manaic Simon is right because the singer doesn't know what he's doing up there. He doesn't understand the irony of him playing nirvana on a show like this.
+Chris E i mean 1 D and similar artists gets so much fame from these bullshit tv shows that ppl dont get to know about these real rock, metal artists even exists
Ok, that is one of my favorite songs of all time. This wasn't a karaoke version. It wasn't a re-imagination of the original. It was a sincere performance in honor of the original. He nailed it. The band was spot on as well.
That wasn't the point. It was NOT the venue for that kind of music and the dude sold out and embarassed himself along with countless alternative music performers and fans. Learn something about Kurt Cobain. This guy's talent was not really in question here.
***** Bro -_- no matter what, everyone eventually sells out. Thats life buddy. I believe Kurt Cobain offed himself due to the fact that his fame began to put him into the main stream. Does everyone wanna follow that path? Hell no. Maybe some just wanna be famous and have their music heard, and sell outs make bank so thats a plus lmao.
Juan Baez U still can be famous without trying to sell your self out on Reality Idol shows..Thats what Simon's main point was.. There are thousands of Metal bands around the world who may not be millionaires but are passionate about the music they are producing to their local fans & still push their music thru to the world thru the internet..
Metal is still for me a more passionate form of music rather than a consumer oriented one.. Reality Idol shows are not the medium to promote yourselves if u are an upcoming metal band...And Simon was correct in saying thta the Rock Fans will consider this guy as a fake or a sellout
***** "I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one."
- Maynard James Keenan
J Ryan
You think Kurt didn't sell out? He kept calling record lables everyday and touring until he got a spot. Stop idolizing a I junkie.
simon has a big point though
+kicsimoe I completely agree with you
+kicsimoe the whole point of Nirvana was saying "fuck you" to the industry and changing a culture. A poser like this guy going on a talent show to sing nirvana is contrary to the whole point of the genre. Nirvana was an independent band out of Seattle that exploded after "Nevermind" was released because they tapped into something that a lot of people liked. Simon is simply saying that by covering Nirvana you are going against everything the culture stands for, and he is completely right. A counter-culture genre on music like this should very rarely be sung on a talent show because it's quite contradictory to its intention.
***** Your talking about Kurt as an individual and I'm talking about the perception the band had and what people that listened to the genre felt. Of course Kurt wasn't perfect. He was full of contradictions and he was a druggie. Still it's important to note that they were an independent band until "Nevermind" dropped and they became mainstream in the sense that they were popular, but the band's perception was the exact opposite. They literally started with very little and became superstars overnight.
In Utero was arguably less "mainstream" sounding than Nevermind to many people. Nirvana is a pretty terrible choice to sing on a singing show like this for 2 reasons. 1) Many fans of grunge and early alt. rock will see you as a poser for singing this a talent show. and 2) The way Cobain sings his songs does not translate well for what the judges are looking for on a show like this. Not saying his voice is bad, but it looks awkward. It simply doesn't work, and I wish people would stop.
***** Fair enough. I can't help but mostly agree with you.
+kicsimoe Agreed; I'm a big Nirvana fan, but a lot of the fanbase is delusional and refuses to accept that Kurt contradicted himself often and acted like a hypocrite at times during his short life. That isn't meant to discredit him in any way, but he was human and flawed just like everyone else. The hero worship is a bit disconcerting and something he ironically was never comfortable with although he worked hard to get that kind of notoriety and attention.
he's not even bad, but he shouldnt have sang a nirvana song
Yeah if your gunna sing at least play guitar or something
Why shouldnt he sing a Nirvana song?
He has a more metal like voice. I guess a Metallica song would have been better but still sounds great!
Why because singing a nirvana song is taboo unless you are already famous?
NEW YORK SPORTS FAN lol he can sing whatever he wants and this is coming from a big nirvana fan
Props to the guy for singing this in this pop show. Kurt wouldn't have and the fans will agree but this guy did the unexpected. There's no shame in this.
"If that's true how did we get Kurt Cobain?" Seriously? Yeah rock used to be about rebelling and being anti-corporations or whatever but that isn't the world we live in anymore. When is the last time a self-made indy rock band became world renown as the greatest musical act going? We live in a world of Nicki Minaj and other flashes in the pan, why shouldn't rock performers get a crack at that.
Arcade Fire.
Arcade fire was never world renown for being the best musical act going, neither did they ever deserve to be.
The white stripes. as Indy as they fucking come.
Arcade Fire, Tame Impala, The White Stripes, Mac Demarco... I can go on though
I hated how it came out of Simon’s mouth considering American Idol type shows are only creating fake artists who come prepared with a back story, a look, and a good singing voice. Music used to be art. Now it’s a consumer’s product to use up and throw out when done. Of course rockers will think this guy sold out. The show itself is basically selling out. Simon acts as if a truly genuine person would actually take their skill to a place like American Idol. Maybe a dumb one who just wants to be famous. Those dumb ones are easier to manipulate
I %100 agree with the singer, anyone who's been a musician seeking to make a living off music for any measure of time knows that you have to take opportunities that are presented and that you need exposure. Simon does make a point and I'm not too certain that Kurt would "love" this but I've spent a lot of time listening to his music and listening to him talk and I don't exactly see how this is conforming for one, and plus I think Kurt would've been kind of happy that someone came on that show and sang something other than smells like teen spirit. people are forgetting that there weren't really many shows like this in Kurt's day and there's still a live possibility that Kurt might've gone on one with the band to get exposure or chase his dream,there's nothing wrong with chasing a dream and doing what you can to further it,as long as its not selling out and that's not what this is at all.
BOIII
who knows what Kurt would've done. but its funny cause Simon ripped apart this guy for being "rock" and conforming/selling out by being on a TV show when there was another rock artist in ... i think X Factor and he absolutely loved him. What irked me is they didn't comment on the actual performance... just his character. I get what Simon is saying, but at the same time.... what a way to show your colors. (not saying his performance was AMAZING... )
+KillMyVocals I like how the guy wasn't trying to sound exactly like Kurt. not an amazing performance, still good
Who gives a fuck about what Kurt would've thought? He's dead.
Reynold Adamson True dat but he's still a legend man,his opinion would mean alot to alot of people tbh,doesn't really matter but simply used as a merit to disproving Simon's point
simon has alot of respect for kurt cobain
*a lot
Yeah, but he also would have never put such a guy on his show.
@@EchoBravo370 The show is for pop and county up and comers, though.
what's the point of impersonating cobain? nothing good can come out of it.
"Trying to be someone else is a waste of who you are"
-Kurt Cobain
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Love this guy...he makes his point. The music industry dont even listen to good music...look at the artists who are famous right now. Most of them cant even sing. This guy can sing!
Simon is totally right
Did not expect that
It's pretty interesting to hear Simon dive into the superficiality of the show, recognising it as not a bedrock for real artists!
Its the only real music they've had on. I loved nirvana and thought I'd hate this but don't.
"Who are you to judge me?"
Simon got rekt.
The¿ Pantaløøn it took me 2 seconds too long to realise that was sarcasm. What a tricking comment.
TheRockdoo LMAO
funny thing is how he asks that on a show where he is bound to get judged lol
Honestly tho this guy has talent
This is a perfect example of what the industry instantly hears and sees. This dude made his best effort for sound grunge-alike but unfortunately as much as we love it, we already know what it sounds like. The music industry wants a new sound in new faces.
Check my stuff out I’m strategizing to bring it back erry day tbh
The coolest thing you could have done is said I'm not going on this show.
Words to live by.
When he sing the chorus of yeaaah he sounds like James Hetfield haha
i think that he did amazing-
I think Simon is right on this one. If you're gonna sing a Nirvana song, don't you dare do it for publicity. That's not what Nirvana was about. If Kurt was still alive when this was going on, I don't think he would like what that guy was doing at all.
I think Kurt would have invited him to their next gig and gotten him up on stage. Kurt wasn't mean. He would have agreed that Simon made the industry into a nightmare for guys like this.
Would Nirvana ever have appeared on this cheesy talent show? Would The Ramones? The Clash? The Sex Pistols? Of course not.
Worst part is, they would have lost too. This isn't real music anyway. Could you imagine if Bob Dylan showed up? He wouldn't clear the first round.
but some karaoke singer will clean up. This show is helping the lounge act industry.
M Macmillan but these days can a label pick you up off of youtube when you do grunge music or is that comforming too? Because if that is than you are stuck singing in the school talent show...or is THAT comformng? Basically unless a record producer drives by and hears your band preforming in your garage or yiu magically get a bar to let you guys perform depending on the area you live in....or maybe you are stuck singing, not selling records, and having like zero fans....
Simon is actually right. He wouldn't be accepted by the modern rock community because he has conformed to the manufactured industry. If you look at all the biggest rock bands of the past 25 years they have all been punk, metal, and indie bands that are true to their roots, e.g. Metallica, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Radiohead, Oasis, Green Day, Foo Fighters, The White Stripes, The Strokes, Arctic Monkeys etc.
+Gary Ebanks
I agree with you except i would not exactly call Pearl Jam, Foo Fighters or Oasis, punk, metal or indie.
+USCFlash I'm a huge nirvana fan and I'll be the first to say they didn't stay true to their roots. Instance nevermind album. Huge deal but was too pop for Kurt. If they woulda all stayed true to their roots they would be playing small shows and bars and not selling lots of albums and working for huge corporations. And nirvana woulda had another album like bleach or in utero
+Daniel Malone
1. I never mentioned Nirvana, I simply pointed out that Pearl Jam, Foo and Oasis, are not punk, metal or indie.
2. That said, if Nevermind was "too pop" just because it was very produced, then Kurt should not have done it.
But frankly, just because a couple of songs were very produced and had a heavy rock sheen to them, does not constitute it as merely pop or lesser songs.
There are plenty of non "pop" songs on Nevermind.
Polly
Endless Nameless
Territorial Pissings
Something in the Way
Breed
are not pop.
And songs like
Drain You, Lithium, Come as you Are and In Bloom, are still very heavy rock songs, that while slickly produced, are heavier than many early Nirvana songs from Bleach era, and previously recordings made before Nevermind.
And Bleach had "About a Girl" on it, which is as pop as it gets, but still a great song.
And I like Bleach but the fact is, a lot of the songs on Nevermind, are in fact, far better songs, musically, than Bleach. They show a maturing songwriter.
School, Negative Creep, Floyd the Barber, are all great songs...
But are the rest of the songs on Bleach "better" than Breed? Polly? Something in the Way? Or the big hits on Nevermind?
I feel about SLTS the way I feel about Stairway to Heaven, since Zeppelin is my all time favorite band, with The Beatles and Nirvana 2 & 3 behind them.
I dont listen to SLTS or Stairway, because they have been overplayed....they are still great, but i might only listen to them once every two years.
I listen to Polly and Something in the Way, and several In Utero tunes far more than SLTS.
3. "If they woulda all stayed true to their roots"
Since all the "pop" songs on Nevermind were written long before the release of Nevermind, all the songs, were in fact, written during their roots.
just because they were then slickly produced wold not have changed anything.
Be honest, put on Nevermind tonight (or tomorrow)
and listen to SLTS, Lithium, Drain You, Come as You are, and In Bloom.....and then imagine if they had been produced with the same style as some of the great tunes on Bleach.
There would have been very little appreciable difference in how catchy those 5 tunes were. There might have been more fuzz, feedback and abrasion, but the melodies were absolutely there and they would have still hit it big....but maybe not "as big" it might have sold 20 million instead of 30 million.
4 "If they woulda all stayed true to their roots they would be playing small shows and bars and not selling lots of albums and working for huge corporations"
That is not fair....what if you stay true to your roots, and people love that, and more people come to your shows and buy your albums? being more popular does not mean you have been disloyal to your roots.
You do not have to play small shows and not sell a lot of albums to be true and honest.
5. If you retain creative control, and make the music you want, then working for huge labels, is not betraying your roots.
In Utero and Unplugged are examples of that....coming after Nevermind
6. "And nirvana woulda had another album like bleach or in utero"
They would not have had another album like In Utero, because Kurt would not have gone through the same fame issues he went through during writing most of the In Utero material. Things would be completely different...teh enxt studio album, may have been the "pop/sellout" album.
And if they had another album like Bleach, instead of Nevermind, they would not be going anywhere, because they would not have been evolving as a band, or Kurt as a songwriter.
7. That said, Nirvana did remain "true to their roots" since really, they were never a "punk band". Some people like to call Nirvana a "rock influenced punk band"....no way, imo they were a "punk influenced rock band" and always were. Kurts influences were always in the earliest roots of rock, from the Beatles, to Leadbelly, Zeppelin, etc...he was introduced to punk long after he was introduced to punk, and though he loved the punk aesthetic, definitely, and was hugely influenced by it, he added punk to his already rock repertoire and leanings. Melody is not the base of punk, in the same way it was the base of the Beatles, and Kurt's mastery was melody.
That was his genius, i believe, from his natural talent as well as the Beatles influence, since the Beatles are arguably the greatest ever rock band when it comes to learning pure melody.
As such, he did stay true to his roots, even if it meant signing with a big record company. The vast majority of the songs for Nevermind, were written long *before* they signed with DGR....it was that demo tape, originally, that got the interest of the major labels.
Sorry for the numbering, i like to keep things straight in discussions.
These are only my opinions, of course.
+USCFlash I agree with you on all of that and I didn't mean to tag you lol I meant to tag the other dude. My bad. But yea it is well known Kurt disliked nevermind because of how it sounded which is odd cuz he had a great ability to write a great pop song.
Daniel Malone
no probs, it did seem odd when you were talking about something i did not say :)
and i agree with on what kurt said, but i also believe that kurt was a great at embellishing, and you know he really liked stuff like polly, something in the way, territorial pissings, etc....and breed, drain you and lithium as well....he might have ultimately not liked the sheen that he himself chose to put on, but i believe he really did like nevermind, just not all teh acclaim and new audience it brought him.
and yes he had a masterful ability with melody...which is what i think he knew and did secretly like even if he felt it dimished his cred....it's what everybody said though, Dave, Krist, even Courtney (blech, we wont go there) they all said the same thing...."he knew he was the shit"
I think he knew *exactly* what he was doing with nevermind and tried to make it as accessible as possible while still retaining his credibility and most of his idealism....and lets face it, he really was never as idealistic as he pretended to be....he had integrity, but he knew he alwso wanted certain things, that came only with success, and he has a right to earn a great living and be popular, imo, all artists do, if they are honest.
That said, not a week goes by when i am not listening to at least 20 different Nirvana songs....they were a big part of my life in 91-94 and remained so till this day, as it sounds like for you as well
Simon is so cocky and arrogant that he thinks he can talk in the name of the rock n roll community, and at the same time he represents the pop music industry himself.
***** Because he expected to be judged by his singing and performing talents, not by his ideology? Like everyone else?
***** Disagree. I like and sing Nirvana songs and I'm not part of Kurt's ideology necessarily. Kurt might not have signed for something like this, but dude! He signed for MTV show, which is pretty much as mainstream as this.
***** Simon focused his criticism on ideology, which I don't really think that is relevant for a pop show judgement, and, yes, he also talked about originality. I see as hypocrisy the "originality" card coming from Simon once I've seen he applauding much more unoriginal candidates in other auditions. I think he was super unfair with the guy. I mean, he could just have said "I didn't like", but why humiliate the guy? I've seen him being an asshole many times, including this one.
Kurt did care a lot about being signed. Check out his biography and / or his journals.
Either way, this shit sucked. He wasn't that good and most people think that.
Simon is 100% right he kind of sold out by trying to get big on this show...punk rock is all about the love of music not selling millions of records. with today's social media and youtube it's easier then ever to be heard and you don't need to come on these shows. even dave GROHL hates these competition shows and thinks it's destroying music...people are getting lazy and think all you have to do to be famous is come on one of these shows...and if 5 judges don't like you well you suck never follow your dreams....when kurt cobain NEVER would have won on a show like this
but the fun thing is that people who win these shows always have one record and then it's over
EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING
You're bringing Grohl into this? He's been misusing his status as the 'drummer for Nirvana' to harvest his own success since the beginning. If not for that, he would never be as famous. Secondly, did you watch the funeral service of Lemmy? Dave didn't even know him, yet he talked for several minutes (even bringing up the fake tears) until the point that time ran out and the broadcast ended. Normally Ozzy was scheduled to say some words to one of his oldest and best rock friends who just passed away, yet he was uanble to because of Grohl's ranting. It had 'acte de présence' written all over it. Never liked Grohl and never will. Simon has never known what rock and roll is about and has no authorisation to judge Peter, who knows how hard it is to get somewhere with rock or metal music in Belgium. The industry HAS made it this way
+hoi “dompie7” koe Exactly. The only American Idol winners that I hear anything about are Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood. The rest I hear nothing from. The only other two Idol finalists that I hear anything about are Chris Daughtry and Adam Lambert.
for anyone who knows about nirvana...youd know that simon is right.
Despite what people say this has to be one of the best covers of this song iv ever heard and iv been following nirvana my whole life
Man I didn't know half 13 boys in the comments knew Kurt personally
Music is not a competition
I give him mad respect kurt himself had trouble hitting that chorus live
Simon is literally on a lower level of existence
I don't think he was that bad.
That guy sung a song that not too many people could pull off, and he sung it really good.
Simon Cowell speaking for Kurt fu%$in Cobain? Embarrassing sh$#.
***** Kurt would proly be directing movies today
+Corey Schmitz unfortunately he couldn't perfect himself. 😭😭😭😭😭
***** Kurt talked about his vision, the music he wanted to make at some point down the line. It was something like breakdancing meets skinny tie new wave.
"It took him 9 years to get a contract". It took kurt cobain less than 2 years to get signed lol
Simon speaking so truthfully about his own show is awesome.
have to agree with Simon here ..lol he def understands his Cobain!!! lol...that was not the platform to sing a Cobain song....
I agree with Simon on this. Just sounds like your garden-variety dime store Alt rocker.
There's a SouthAmerican who does Kurt Cobain perfectly.
That guy is a major wannabe fuck him
+MrThechump Fuck you, he's amazing
not perfectly...you can clearly hear his accent
Pretty spot on vocals :)) should definitely be in a tribute band :3
I love Kurt Cobain and if I have a boy I'm naming him Kurt. As always Simon is dead on. A lot of speculation surrounds why Kurt shot himself...we'll never know but among the many theories is he saw where the music industry was going and he could not bear it. Any true Kurt Cobain fan would never ever perform his song in this fashion. As some theories suggest Kurt foresaw this stupid shit happening and blew his head off...so he'd never see some long haired buffoon singing his song on some lame "talent" show (which Simon later said he HATED). Whether this was a good performance or not isn't the question. This is exactly the kind of thing Kurt was always against and for that reason I HATE it and it is absolutely terrible. Simon isn't even American and he knows that. This is in insult and I want to punch this guy for that and for arguing with Simon...who made me laugh because it is obvious he is miserable being there. "...and rightly so." HA!
Good riddance
Out of all those grunge bands, Nirvana is the only one most people hear of. The singer makes a good point. Grunge artists who are true to their style live in ordinary or even poor circumstances. It took the public so long to recognize a man like Kurt and so many talents remain unrecognized. Besides, Lithium is a song, and this show is for singers. Is rock/grunge music not to be performed on idol shows? If so, why? So a singer of alternate rock has to content himself with the large possibility of never being recognized for his talents?
Stanley Wu
Pretty much, yes. Real people have to work hard for their sucess and gain more respect and self-respect because of it. True musicians play for the love of their art, not for recognition.
***** In the shitty low economy world we live in, its hard to do things simply due to having a passion for it. This is reality man, sorry. Eventually, the tough, rebellious rock persona isn't gunna get you where you wanna be in life. Some people wanna hit it big, and actually get to live the dream of maaanny people.
Juan Baez
"a rebellious rock persona isn't gonna get you where you wanna in life"
Idk what Simons on cause this cover is pretty good, not the best but still pretty damn good
Lol, Cowel calling someone else a sellout. Get real. the hairy dude was spot on.
At least Simon Cowell made sense for once, this was cringe worthy, maybe he should of sung bon Jovi, he could pull that off I'm sure.
well said, it felt fake
It was great but of course Simon doesn't recognized shit
you don't understand what Simon is saying tho i agree with him but the guy was good
Miguel Juarez I do, but Simon is in pop not alt rock, I do believe he's unique
i mean what Simon said about Kurt not wanting this thing to happen is true but then i can't really defend simon because kurt did steal original ideas from other people so ....ehh
I miss Kurt Cobain :(
Wow kurt would loved it i know i do im a big Nirvana fan miss you kurt 😭😪😥😢
That was a good FU to Simon. "Who are you to judge me for being unreal?"
Point of the show is judging talent! And the dude nails it.
wow...didn't expect to agree with Simon...he's totally right though!!!
About wht he sang it beautifully idiot!
Coming from me as a Grunge Era fan any Grunge band or Rock band from Seattle would NEVER come to that show but creds to the guy!
"you made it this way."
rekt.
Damn, Simon gets the spirit of punk.
This is probably the best Nirvana cover I’ve heard tho
this guy has brilliant vocals
They’re shit
4:04 “Who are you to judge me for being real?” *Says it to panel judge* 😂
Wow' I hated Simon Cowell until now, he said exactly what Kurt Cobain would have said
Simon cowell is honestly one of the most intelligent people in the music industry he knows what hes talking about and people hate him because of how honest he is.
the guy has talent, and it's a shame that he's obviously trying to be like Kurt, I mean he has the whole uncut shaggy look, by going straight on tv and having other celebrities tell him weather he's good enough or not. Nirvana were just three high-school rejects from rainy Seattle: depressed white teens with a dream, they started off by working hard in the underground industry, then they attracted other depressed white teens who could totally relate to them and they blew up. because of their rebellious, energetic and ORIGINAL vibes. Dave himself already expressed his hatred for talent shows like this, because unless you're under great circumstances like One Direction and/or Leona Lewis the farthest you will ever get is one hit straight after you're win and then before you know it you're no longer the obsession. Besides, while we're being real here, a guy like this would never win a modern talent show, they're looking for freshly cut late teen kids who have their whole lives ahead of them.
Emily Heather two from Seattle, Dave was from D.C..
Simon is actually really right. This has actually made me like him.
This is amazing
From what I hear the music industry is almost dead I miss the 90's and Kurt
SIMON SPEAKS THE TRUTH.
He is a fucking asshole but I agree with him here...
Nah fuck simon u bitch
Simon is just using reverse psychology here.
Yeah fuck him
Simon is right but he has no place to talk he is just an arrogant wanker who probably cant even sing himself and american idol was just fine without him it just goes to show how irrelevant he really is
He’s making a mockery of the original song with bad parody. Good for Simon for recognizing that
That guy is actually pretty good
Hmmmm I have to agree with simon today. Kurt would've hated to hear his song on this show.
Here's my problem with this... Cowell is telling this guy to get famous and become recognized by doing something similar to Kurt (which took years and must have been very hard) just because he's doing a different fucking genre other than pop? That's almost impossible nowadays. He lets everyone doing pop music compete on his show. Why not rock n' roll? Simon cowell is the one that helped create all these shitty boybands and new artists which have no meaning behind their songs and sing about the same topics repetitively. This dude seems like he has talent, so what the hell is cowell's problem now?
The guy did have a point about honest musicians having to survive on nutshells to get mainstream attention, all due to the way that mainstream producers (and media) are biased towards easy crap. Happens today as well.
It's actually a valid and interesting discussion. I agree with Simon that he's "doing Curt", but the guy is also right that it's almost impossible to get attention like Nirvana did in their day. It just doesn't work anymore, mainly because of this kind of shows and because of our addiction to social platforms, a short attention span etc.
Finally, "Who are you to judge me for being real?"
Well, they ARE judges. You agree to perform for them and have them critique your performance. That's how a contest works.
The only thing that's lame is that Simon Cowell is trying to claim credibility in what "Real" music is meanwhile his entire enterprise focuses on finding beautiful, breathy, and bland singers to win a contest held through singing the most cliched and uninspiring songs of all time.
Damn this guy is good, Ive never heard a better vocal cover!
He has a point ya know...
I do agree. Kurt would have hated this
I think he's trying a bit too hard to sound like Kurt. I like it but he's trying to sound like Kurt a bit too much.
well he is covering one of his songs. who do you want him to sound like fucking freddy mercury
Well he could at least try and sound original.
1D 5SOS DEF LEP tbh its better than most people could do
True. He can at least sing. Josh Waight
1D 5SOS DEF LEP I actually think he sounds more like James Hetfield than Kurt Cobain. The way he sings sounds more metal than punk. But It's a cover version that's close to the original... He had to sound like Kurt Cobain.
Simon was right. Nirvana is a seperate entity from other grunge and rock music. Kurt would have hated this. There were so many songs he could have picked. No matter how much he loved this song, it was one of the worst song choices for this kind of show. They weren't about becoming popular and selling rcords. And that is exactly what these kind of shows are about.
Rebecca Woodward No true artist ever was about becoming popular and selling reccords, u think Korn or Disturbed or Linkin Park only made music cuz they wanted to become popular? This show is about showing what undiscovered talents your country has in the music world. I remember watching this guy's first audition he said he only wanted to come sing his rock song cuz he likes to sing. That's all.
Then they voted him to top and wanted him to represent Belgium, if you had the honour of representing your country in whatever it is would you say no just cuz you don't believe in it or feel like it's against your principles?
Actually, that was not what I said. He can do this competition, just not sing Nirvana.
However he's free to choose which song he wants to sing. Kurt died a long time ago, who knows if he would or wouldn't have hated it.
Well, his friends and family would know. But really, Nirvana is not something that should be used for karaoke. Even if it's by a great singer on the world stage. Even established artists don't do it. Evanescence learnt the hard way. The backlash when they did lithium was huge. Even the foo fighters, who actually were in Nirvana don't do nirvana songs. That alone should tell you that it would be a no go
Dude should be singing metallica with those yeahs
I didn't really like the way he sang this song. In my opinion Kurt was the only one who could sing it properly. Also I agreed with what Simon was saying.
Hmm.. I agree with Simon 100%
fuck you
pandy syahakbar Fuck you, too :)
Koyoteblood Words of wisdom :')
I think this guy is rock and roll just for staying up there and arguing his point and standing up for himself. He could've just told Simon "You know, you're right" and backed off but I respect him for not letting Simon just feed him bullshit he didn't believe was true and kept his mind focused on his dream to be on the show
Damn i respect Simon cowell and that old guy that shows they were some real nirvana fans .. I'm impressed rock on Simon lol
Welll ad least this guy had ago singing nirvana is really hard
yeah you need a scratchy voice good guitar players and great every thing that crap is hard (sorry I realized I just basically stole your comment)
cabematt101 1211
You don't need a good guitarist to play nirvana, it's very simple actually
yea but the guitarist should "feel" th riffs or i sound like soulless shit
dads ad leasd man ! no one woult have tone dat ?