@XvonPocalypse Trump had some cabinet members and appointees who were sane, intelligent, well-qualified people, initially. They've tried to warn us, told us in no uncertain terms that Trump is none of these three things. What does Trump say of them? They're dumb as rocks, insane, etc. But he also appointed them, which he doesn't seem to understand is a self-own. I can't imagine Fryer joining whatever horror show team he would be able to pull together this time around. Kash Patel, Stephen Miller, Bannon? Maybe Jeffrey Clark as AG?
He should not be the secretary of education in any world, and not because he is not smart or because his experiments are not interesting, but because he is not an expert on education. In fact, to determine the usefulness of this experiment, it needs a large-scale assessment by unbiased education and learning experts.
Roland Fryer has the key to bringing inner city kids grades up to a competitive leval . There should be huge national support to make this the standard. Low american test scores are frightening and its a total failure .
Excellent talk! I am so glad to hear Roland discuss his studies, so grateful to him and his team for what they’ve accomplished. This should be on every Americans watch list!
In grade school 1961-7 my daddy paid me 25 cents for every "VG" (an A ) and nothing for anything less. Report cards were sent home with kids ever six weeks. Now that is an incentive for paying attention at school.
@@bureaffari3694For me, reading at home was far more important in learning than anything the teachers had to say at school. I don't know if that is the case for all. I suspect a large per cent know what they know at age 16 because they attended public schools.
Wow. Expected an decently interesting but relatively ordinary discussion on generic educational reform (where in the end nothing that new is discussed due to the avoidance of wanting to tackle the seriously hard topics), and we got something this amazing. Roland Fryer should consider contacting Netflix to create a tv series about his life experiences, I think he's sitting on a gold mine (forgive me if this sounded crass, but it could result in more exposure to many of the ideas discussed here theoretically as well). Regardless, a lot of what was discussed makes sense (in non-educational situations as well), if only I were in a position to apply them haha (maybe if I ever have kids).
it's an embarrassment that the principles experimented with and proven in the Apollo 20 have not been implemented nation-wide. Yeah, the pilot cost serious money (61million) but even the free version later distributed had massive positive effects.
I think the issue is that people try ideas, and the ones that are proven to make them look good is what they do more of, not the things that are proven to work. 😞
@XvonPocalypse headmistress of very successful inner city school in london(Wembley)! She is black lady of Jamaican descent! But the progressive hate her for being successful! Look her up.
57:42 it’s not racism to assume the consumers uninformed, especially single mothers, in poor black neighborhoods. That is absurd. Reason racism, and means hating people for their race, not looking at the averages, and realizing that these are people who went along with every Covid mandate and who stick their kid in front of a phone all day and I’ve seen their kids gofour years behind while they listen to drill music and glorify violence. The single mother, who navigates that well is rare and usually has support from her own mother.
Instead of paying kids to do better in school, we could stop incentivizing single motherhood with welfare and other programs. I'd be willing to bet that the positive impact of that change would be enormous and not limited to education. Stop replacing husbands with handouts.
So Roland Fryer challenges the "Dominant Cultures'Education CANON...and just like that, Claudine Gay and a Dr. Bobo unite to oust him from Harvard and destroy his career. What they met for evil has by February 7, 2024 been COMPLETELY REPUDIATED with Dr. Gay's fall from grace. 💯💯💯🖖👍💥
'Love of learning' is another lie . Education was all about wasting life memorising THEIR things. Not even relevant for worklife. Love of learning was outside of school time. On what interested ME. And was, and is, useful in the world.
I think the challenges & circomstances of inner city kids is so desperate, we've BOT to get a LOT more creative in addressng this. It's fascinating all the "side-effects"--like 70% of the kids actually SAVING some of the money. I considered going into teaching after working in an after-school program for a year. I no illusions about the challenges (HIGH class sizes, not enough teacher aids/counselors/supplies, low pay etc I decided NOT to do it for 2 reasons1. It was clear taht MOST admin do NOT support teachers--there's a erious lack of respect for this profession. LONG hours, no respect, not enough help--makes this job almost impossible. And FORGET dong something outside the box: teachers are punished for it. 2. By 2013 (the year I worked in this program), the idea was being reguarly spoken that "NO WHITE teacher can teach kids of color." EWatching videos by teachers on RUclips: nteresting how many Black teachers are either moving as fast as possible into admin (or the suburbs) or quitting entirely. So, if white teachres "csn't" teach Black kids and Black teachers WON'T teach them...who will?
Why can't I live in a universe where Roland Fryer is secretary of education?
@XvonPocalypse Trump had some cabinet members and appointees who were sane, intelligent, well-qualified people, initially. They've tried to warn us, told us in no uncertain terms that Trump is none of these three things. What does Trump say of them? They're dumb as rocks, insane, etc. But he also appointed them, which he doesn't seem to understand is a self-own. I can't imagine Fryer joining whatever horror show team he would be able to pull together this time around. Kash Patel, Stephen Miller, Bannon? Maybe Jeffrey Clark as AG?
Si se puede, mon ami! I quite agree!
He should not be the secretary of education in any world, and not because he is not smart or because his experiments are not interesting, but because he is not an expert on education. In fact, to determine the usefulness of this experiment, it needs a large-scale assessment by unbiased education and learning experts.
Never thought I'd hear a conversation on education reform that was so interesting, even exciting at times. Fryer & Roberts delivered.
Roland Fryer has the key to bringing inner city kids grades up to a competitive leval .
There should be huge national support to make this the standard.
Low american test scores are frightening and its a total failure .
The last five minutes had me fighting back tears. I could tell Russ had to quickly conclude the interview because he felt the same way.
Important, entertaining, thought-provoking.
This interview blew me away.
Excellent talk! I am so glad to hear Roland discuss his studies, so grateful to him and his team for what they’ve accomplished. This should be on every Americans watch list!
In grade school 1961-7 my daddy paid me 25 cents for every "VG" (an A ) and nothing for anything less. Report cards were sent home with kids ever six weeks.
Now that is an incentive for paying attention at school.
yea but that would make you optimise for grades not learning, agreed there's a significant overlap but it doesn't work for everyone.
@@bureaffari3694For me, reading at home was far more important in learning than anything the teachers had to say at school.
I don't know if that is the case for all. I suspect a large per cent know what they know at age 16 because they attended public schools.
fryer is great; can't wait to listen!
Wow. Expected an decently interesting but relatively ordinary discussion on generic educational reform (where in the end nothing that new is discussed due to the avoidance of wanting to tackle the seriously hard topics), and we got something this amazing. Roland Fryer should consider contacting Netflix to create a tv series about his life experiences, I think he's sitting on a gold mine (forgive me if this sounded crass, but it could result in more exposure to many of the ideas discussed here theoretically as well). Regardless, a lot of what was discussed makes sense (in non-educational situations as well), if only I were in a position to apply them haha (maybe if I ever have kids).
Roland on the beam!
Good interview questions, Russ!
Best closing statement I have heard!
Very inspirational
Can we talk about mobs of kids shoplifting, stomping each other on school next?
I found that intrinsic motivation followed instrumental motivation--that is when I discovered that some of those things were actually intersting....
I want to know what Fryer thinks of the NEA and its current leadership.
This was a fascinating interview. Thank you
Education Reform : Makes learning math, science, history, social studies English skills arts writing more enjoyable.
Wonderful dialogue!
it's an embarrassment that the principles experimented with and proven in the Apollo 20 have not been implemented nation-wide. Yeah, the pilot cost serious money (61million) but even the free version later distributed had massive positive effects.
Brilliant brilliant ..... you sense change, you design tiny contraction experiments and chart effects with pinpoint precision
I recognize your voice from a Christopher Hitchens interview you did. I’d love to know what he was like, he’s my favorite writer/journalist.
being a parent is very different than being a teacher
I think the issue is that people try ideas, and the ones that are proven to make them look good is what they do more of, not the things that are proven to work. 😞
I wonder if Roland fryers helped Katharine babelsingh in uk? She is known as the strictest head mistresses in the uk!😂
@XvonPocalypse headmistress of very successful inner city school in london(Wembley)! She is black lady of Jamaican descent! But the progressive hate her for being successful! Look her up.
Loveely 💙👌
My spiritual heart desires your True greatness I would like To meet you
57:42 it’s not racism to assume the consumers uninformed, especially single mothers, in poor black neighborhoods. That is absurd. Reason racism, and means hating people for their race, not looking at the averages, and realizing that these are people who went along with every Covid mandate and who stick their kid in front of a phone all day and I’ve seen their kids gofour years behind while they listen to drill music and glorify violence. The single mother, who navigates that well is rare and usually has support from her own mother.
Instead of paying kids to do better in school, we could stop incentivizing single motherhood with welfare and other programs. I'd be willing to bet that the positive impact of that change would be enormous and not limited to education. Stop replacing husbands with handouts.
So Roland Fryer challenges the "Dominant Cultures'Education CANON...and just like that, Claudine Gay and a Dr. Bobo unite to oust him from Harvard and destroy his career. What they met for evil has by February 7, 2024 been COMPLETELY REPUDIATED with Dr. Gay's fall from grace. 💯💯💯🖖👍💥
'Love of learning' is another lie . Education was all about wasting life memorising THEIR things. Not even relevant for worklife. Love of learning was outside of school time. On what interested ME. And was, and is, useful in the world.
I think the challenges & circomstances of inner city kids is so desperate, we've BOT to get a LOT more creative in addressng this. It's fascinating all the "side-effects"--like 70% of the kids actually SAVING some of the money. I considered going into teaching after working in an after-school program for a year. I no illusions about the challenges (HIGH class sizes, not enough teacher aids/counselors/supplies, low pay etc I decided NOT to do it for 2 reasons1. It was clear taht MOST admin do NOT support teachers--there's a erious lack of respect for this profession. LONG hours, no respect, not enough help--makes this job almost impossible. And FORGET dong something outside the box: teachers are punished for it. 2. By 2013 (the year I worked in this program), the idea was being reguarly spoken that "NO WHITE teacher can teach kids of color." EWatching videos by teachers on RUclips: nteresting how many Black teachers are either moving as fast as possible into admin (or the suburbs) or quitting entirely. So, if white teachres "csn't" teach Black kids and Black teachers WON'T teach them...who will?
FIRST!