Mora Garberg 14c28n Steel Review and Full Edge Testing
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2017
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Great comparison! Haven't used 80CrV2 but I think 14c28n is a highly underrated steel. Behaves like a stainless 'carbon' steel in my experience which is great for most users. Might not win any edge holding compositions but it's easy to get razor sharp in under 5 minutes hand sharpening. Keep up the good work.
Great job, Pete! Putting a lot of hard work into these extensive testing videos but you’ve provided us with lots of food for thought. Nailed it with that music too. Loved where it mellowed right at the point you went to the Tormec.
Be sure to take lots of time to enjoy your summer with the family. Best regards from the Asylum... -Bill
Just bought this knife for $60 including CA tax. Amazon
I bought it because it seemed like a good deal.
I bought a BPS 1066 carbon for $30 HRC 59 to 60.
I think I got good deal and the best of all worlds.
Stainless and a carbon knife.
I'm new to scandi and fixed blades.
I'm more of a collector but plan on using my knives more and start camping.
Thank you for all the hard work you do.
You are one of the reasons I buy what I buy.
I sincerely appreciate you and your family. This must take up a lot of your time.
Please let them know we appreciate their sacrifice too.
Be blessed,
Leo ✌️🦁 from San Diego.
Update just got mine. The micro bevel was dull and had burs.
Used my pant belt to strip it in car and it cuts paper now.
Really happy with it.
Will go camping next week 🤣.
✌️🦁
Thank you very much for taking time to test different edges geometry for us !
Very informative !
I really enjoy these more thorough, in-depth steel reviews! Keep up the great work Pete
These type of videos are super awesome Pete. Thanks for the hard work and dedication you put into these videos.
Great test! I look forward to more of these as you get the time.
Every time I have a question about knife performance and youtube it, your videos pop up. Well done, man. Thanks again!
O hell yeah, I've been waiting for this. There is a fair amount of Garberg vs Jaakari debate on youtube.
That was an excellent video and test. Thanks for putting in the time and effort! 👍🙏
Great information and testing. Thank You!
Thanks for your efforts to demonstrate its capabilities.
I have the carbon and stainless versions. They are both great. As an aside, I had a problem with the rivet on the belt loop of the leather sheath snapping and Mora replaced it within a couple of weeks. Best customer service I've ever experienced.
The go to channel for real world testing on varying steels. Had to stop by to see the results on Sandvik. Great video as always.
I’ve got 2 Tormeks. One with the stock SG250 wheel and one with a King 4000 grit wheel. I got tired of switching stones. I used a Jet attachment that allowed me to sharpen on the side of the stone and now use the multi base to sharpen on the side of the wheel. Two Tormeks save time. Take the plunge. Who needs girlfriends, or friends, or food or shelter-spend your coin on the important things.
You've become the best knives channel on YT. cheers from Italy!
I am watching this medicated after shoulder surgery. So good. And that synth solo at 5:32!
I love the Garberg, and while I do my testing different.... You're the king on rope testing! Holy shit! Love the channel and keep on going!! Cheers!
Great Work C!!!
Amazing video, I appreciate your performance.
Epic guy, epic tests, epic music. EPIC! ❤
I just ordered a Mora garberg last week it's the same price in Canada as well,. I opted for the multi mount so a bit cheaper but had I gone for the leather sheath it would've been the same. Great review bud, thank you!
Thanks for the great review your tests do matter trust me when people are purchasing knives like these
Great, you removing me the doubts about those two knives1 thank you1
Great work as always Pete, can we get a review of that Worksharp, a review from you would be excellent. I've been trying and failing with stones and I'm looking into getting one.
My compliments!!! Good work and efforts... the insights (while perchance not the utmost/optimal science 'standards-testing' & that's OK in my opinion --- we know that anyway)... you present reasonably minded, somewhat original/unique empirical result/data here. Of interest... your findings indicate and address more or less what I find here in Alaska under practical field use outdoors under many types of conditions or task demands. Also why a person may pick one vs. the other tho' in similar capable knife genre. The point that stuck out the most to me (I think you have found) and I continue finding thru my longer term experiences with these two knives is that they get 'better' over time routinely keeping them in tune. Not just due to greater familiarity... they actually perform better as you discover what works ideally in every tune up given their similarity, differences, and steel compositions. The little MORA ELDRIS exhibits the same (gets better over time and tuning) scenario in 12C steel.
very nice test.
Good work Sir. Thanks.
Well done! Now I'm more confused than ever what angle/how to sharpen my new Garberg! LOL
I love the Mora knives, but I hate the micro bevel they come with and I put a full Scandi grind on every one I get. I feel like the Scandi grind is superior in every way to a traditional bevel, or the Scandi with micro bevel AKA Sabre grind. They are so much easier to sharpen and to keep sharp in my opinion, thats been my experience anyway. Thanks for sharing!
unfortunately their sandvik gets dull very fast when it's a "true" scandi if you use it for splitting wood.
the garberg is a piece of trash
Awesome job.
Love the Garberg!
Just had a thought, one per day is all I am allowed. Tell Cedric to package up all the cuttings, and sell them as official Cedric and Ada cuttings, for fire starter?????? $5 a bag, would help w/ the cost of rope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i think he said in a later video that he tried that and it makes poor firestarter
Dude always has the best music.
Oh by the way the handle material on the Garberg has an outer polish IMO, after I used it for a few weeks it gets a softer more grippy feel.
Lol, love how the Mora fanbois give you a hard time over the friggin plastic handle. "But its NOT just a plastic...its a super plastic with blah blah blah blah..."
Its plastic just leave it.
Some plastics in tooling are as strong as aluminum but yeah I mean for what you pay for a mora plastic is fine
Cold steel uses g10 for the 4max an that has some incredible tolerances.
I put a section of bike tube over it. Grippier and more comfortable.
Ok my opinion is you cannot put a secondary grind on a scandi, because as you sharpen it in the future its going to get steep really quickly. You have to reduce shoulder with the edge as well.
great video, the end talk shaky cam felt like I was watching a jason bourne fight scene though, got a little motion sick.
Thanks brother 🙏
you know, one contentious steel i'd love to see investigated is Global knives' "CROMOVA 18". even on the knife steel app, there's uncertainty whether this is a rebrand of lowly AUS-6M steel, or a proprietary incarnation of good AUS-118. given how many chefs swear by Global knives, is the steel really an excellent performer? or have people been duped into paying a whole ton of coin for "meh" materials?
Better treated 14c28n than real steel based on this test! impressed that it beat out vg 10. Never used vg10 but based on spyderco, i thought that it was better than it is.... tough little knife though, surprised that it didnt cut much better than 12c27..... makes me wonder what a good heat treat 12c27 would do? (the opinel seemed to be a pretty soft heat treat..)
I’m most impressed with you getting your tongue around that knifes name and the name of the Scandinavian shop that sells them! Granted I’ve no idea if your saying it correctly but I don’t even know where start 😁
Love your videos. Very ambitious! F1 3G? Garberg Black? Thank's from Sweden
I don't have any experience with the Garberg but I do have a fair bit of experience with the Mora knives of similar thickness made from high carbon steel. For these knives I find a zero-scandi grind (no convexing or microbevel) puts the edge angle at 14 dps and is more than robust enough for my uses and definitely improves cutting performance.
yeah I did that on my bushcraft black and it works a treat. I’m not very good on the stones so it took bloody ages though!!
This is much less about skill than it is stone selection. What type of stone were you using to grind away the microbevel? (I am always hesitant to call this a microbevel, because what you are grinding away here is far more than a microbevel. By my definition you need a microscope in order to be able to see a microbevel.)
the 700 grit bester stone. Probably should have gone lower grit hey
I'd suggest picking up a Norton Crystolon coarse/fine (120/360 grit) combo stone for work like this. These are only $25 is the US and will make quick work of jobs like this. Not only do these stones work well with very high sharpening pressures, you need to use very high pressures to get them to release grit.
Goodonya Mate!
Setting the bar pretty high Pete absolutely love these videos! Who the fuck would thumbs this down
I dunno but I certainly thumbsupit
what about this vs the carbon? can you please please recommend how top get V grind my hand? I have a workshop bench stone diamond pivot guided as well as a spyderco sharp maker with the diamond and carbon rods. thanks. im a super fan of yours. appreciate you!
Quality video
Just saw a Garberg at Blade HQ for $79.00 American. That seems pretty good!
Taken it to the limit.wow that sharp.it hard steel.nice
Where did you get that stone holder/tub that was made for the stone holder?!! How much and what site...i live in USA so maybe if I get the name I can find one over here. Thanks!
I just ordered mine on Amazon. 72 bucks here in America. Oh, great video...
Bien, buen trabajo
36(instead of 42) degree V bevel might have given you even better results, as some testing shows at several steels at least.
Interesting that the scandi grind did the worse. .... i guess that scandi is for the softer material like wood. Very curious that the tormak did so good !
Great video. So, apart from some tiny differences, which apparently don't affect the edge retention in a meaningful degree, this is essentially the same steel as 12C27. The chemical composition and performance put these two in pretty much the same category but the knife is 5 times the price of a regular stainless Mora companion because... it's got a slightly longer tang? I don't think that's something for me.
yes the 0.1 nitrogen is worth 5x times price lol
@@ES-qe1nh Huh? A Companion is a specialized knife? Mine was $12. It may be special, but I use it for pretty much everything. Donuts to deer. Fish to fowl. Carving to caving. I didn't get the memo that great cheap knives were specialized nowadays. Stuff in my backpack is now part of a "system". Rough camping is now bushcrafting. Knives are now "cutting tools".
I don't know how I managed to survive in the woods or desert or mountains before the Internet was here to show me how.
Oh well. My old Maartinni is still sharp and works as well as when it was brand new 40 years ago. It looks sad when I take my Companion out in the desert. Maybe I'll just take that one next time. Oh wait. It too doesn't have a full tang. It should be broken by now shouldn't it?
Lol. Just kidding you young folks.
By the way, that Maartini hunting Puukko was given to me personally by Erkki Rapala. Yep that Rapala. A fine "cutting tool" if there ever was one. It's specialized. In almost everything
Hi, I wanted to know if in your opinion among the stainless steels this 14c28n steel is a good choice for a bushcraft knife or better to orient yourself on something else?
Myself including. I am having a hard time narrowing in on whether a2 or bohler k720 is worth the considering over 14c28n. Any help would be appreciated.
Assuming I didn't miss it, are you planing on trying out Roselli Wootz steel?
Its supposed to be recreation of Indian wootz and is based on proper research, its very hard 66hc.
Really interested in its performance compared to Modern steels and if people running around 300 years ago had something comparable to top of the line tool steels in cutting power.
Excellent video my friend,I'm a hunter and I carry a Mora companion knife in my game bag and a Buck light knife on my belt for field dressing Deer and other game.I have a collection of Scandi knives eg.Helle Mora martini.I have the garberg,i agree it's a great knife,now I'm thinking of getting the Enzo trapper or Falkniven F1,can't make my mind up between the Two.The F1 gets a lot of mixed reviews on YT. Also I have very big hands triple X gloves and the handle on the F1 seems to be a bit small.Any advice would be much appreciated.Stay safe.
maybe check out the Cold Steel Master Hunter in CPM3V. Bigger handle and at a lower price point.
Where did you purchase the Puukko mate? I'm in Australia couldn't find anywhere local is all. Cheers cob
Hey mate, I think you can only order it off their own website, Pete said the name when he introduced the two knives at the beginning I think.
Death By Astonishment oh shit my apologies mate, must of missed that! Cheers 🍻
DBK did a hell of a stress test on the garberg and the steel held up rather well. Great vid! By the way I’m looking into getting a bark river bravo 1, in your opinion is the 3v worth the extra money ? I’m asking because I have a large family and most I f not all my money goes to my kids and a 200+ for a knife is a substantial purchase for me so I’m trying to get as much info as I can get before I make a purchase. Any info or input you may have would be greatly appreciated. Happy holidays!
Smprepper # buy once cry once, get the best you can afford.
if its gonna be your one knife to rule them all, definitely buy once cry once 😊 its a great and versatile steel
I agree it is an excellent steel but A2 is also very good. It depends upon a lot of circumstances. If you don’t plan on batonning/chopping...I’d go A2. It is plenty tough and has very good edge retention. Just remember to keep it oiled or it will rust/patina.
If it’s the standard thickness Bravo 1 (0.217 inches I think)....then I’d go A2. That’s a thick chunk of steel that will be PLENTY tough (yet still slicey) for most applications.
Thanks for the input dudes. I have Esee’ s and Becker’s etc. but I want that ONE knife that I’m always gonna want on my hip and that I can pass down to my kids. I think Barkies are beautiful knives and I’m kinda on the same page as you guys if I’m gonna save up for a badass knife I might as well get the best I can get. Thanks again.
DUDE YES YOU'VE REVIEWED 13C26 AWESOME! THANK YOU FOR BEING SO THOROUGH PETE!!!!! YOU ARE SUCH A LEGEND BRO THANK YOU..... WAIT A MINUTE... this is 14c28, not 13c26... well .. shoot =\
OH WELL =)
THANKS ANYWAYS PETE!
I have a Steel Will Druid #265 with a 9Cr18Mov blade. It cost $50. USD. It's similar to the Garberg and the Puko. Any chance you can do a steel test on the 9Cr18Mov ? Thanks, Mickey
I got one yes did not stay sharp long .
A whole week without videos from CedricAda makes it feel like the internet has closed for business. I assume you've been spending some quality time in the bathroom with the 2018 Spyderco catalogue.
I know, right! Just havent been able to make the time. One spare morning off though and I’m all business
lazy fkr
YeeeeeeeeaaaH!
That chrono trigger soundtrack though
What is that mad music used in cutting test please? Maybe source music used in description
Adam Smith thats an orchestral take of the chrono trigger theme, its a concert recording, i think you can watch the video on youtube
I mess mine up .i cant get a edge on it.wont cut nothing .the grind is gone.i get it fix some time.
So whats the conclusion? Can someone explain please my english is not enough good (this comment is from google translate)
Is it Michael Shulman on a violin?
I hate the mora Garberg S so far, had it for a year and literally sharpen it for 2 hours and cut a few things with it and its dull
interesting, but i dont understand everything (germany). Can you call a conclusion, what EDGE should be on this Garberg. A true scandy edge, like every other Mora or what would you prefer now. Why did Mora a micro bevel on this knife, i didnt understand?
Thanks you!
Stef micro bevel makes edge last longer. Survival knife so doesn't roll
I hate the micro bevel that Mora uses for the factory edge. It takes a little bit of time on the flat stone to remove the secondary bevel. Other than that, I love my Garberg and Kansbol.
Cutting is fine but chopping is a huge no no, gonna take me alonggggg time to take the chips out!
Mora Garberg or Jakaripukko 110? Please help!
Out of the two, I like the jakaripukko
@@CedricAda THX a lot, i'm ordering. And i see that they have mini version with rubber handles now, it can be nice EDC - so two knives ;-)
Should be that way when you buy it 21Degs or so.
Bgm is good. What is that?
Chrono Trigger.
Honestly it kills me to see that you didn't keep the full scandi grind.
And that's why I don't like micro-bevel scandi's. But when you try to tell people there's a difference between one and a true zero ground edge they snap at you and call you names. For me I like scandi's for woodworking only so I like it on folders, which I hope will get more popular, spyderco is releasing one next year, the wolf-spyder in s30v.
I bought the Garberg, then spent days re-profiling it to remove that silly bevel. It's scalpel sharp now.
Great testing. You are not scared of using a lot of rope ;). The Mora Garberg, starting at about some 90 euro minimum over here, and comparing it to other knives in that price range, would not be my knife of choice.
I still go by 'one knife is no knife, two knives is one knife' not so much because of breaking a knife but of losing a knife. Both knives I test on being able to do all standard tasks but I do make a difference is knife steel and grinds. The stainless one with a blade length of about 10 cm with a fine edge is more for food prep and small whittling tasks and the other can be carbon with a stronger and longer edge up to about 14 cm, for the rough work like batoning. The combination makes a big difference is field sharpening.
These can be just a Hultafors stainless and the Hultafors GK and you are ready for less than 20 euro, but of course you can go more expensive. I like the Terava Jaakarripuuko 140 in carbon for the rough stuff and the Enzo Elver in 12C27 for food prep (some 150 euro total).
If I know I will have to do some chopping I bring and additional knife I like to call the specialty knife. Usually a long blade knife or small machete.
59 $ now on Amazon
Yep, I grabbed the stainless at $59 and a carbon the other day for $75... I think I'll send the carbon back.
Well, this just confirmed my suspicions. 14C28N isn't much if any better than 12C27..
Zyx I own the Garberg 14c28n and the Kansbol with 14c27n and can tell you that the 14c28n is a harder steel, very noticeable when sharpening.
My Garberg broke after 2 Years..! (Batoning)
Mein Garberg ist nach gut zwei Jahren beim Batoning zerbrochen...! Die Klinge ist halt schon etwas dünn mit nur gut 3mm...
Mora Pooberg
You only proved that modifiying grinds is better for cutting rope. It doesn't mean it will hold the edge doing everything else we do on bushcraft.
Very informative video but I think you might be missing your audience. Most users aren't going to have such specialized sharpening equipment. I think a video that showed the knife's ability out of the box, and then after a retouch with a simple hand held stone would be more helpful to a wider audience. I loved the rust comparison. That was very interesting and helpful. Thanks!
No ! I’m really worried about you.
I like the Garberg better, but I think the handle on other knife is way better
Oh please..., the "music"...., i got earcancer, sorry. But the test was very interesting, thumbs up!
best wishes with your recovery
@@CedricAda Thank you my friends🤣
the knife is a jk!!! for the same money you can get something better
You don't need music. It's annoying.
Probably a decent video but ruined by a poor and annoying choice of music. Could not finish watching.
I really cant please everyone
You look 5 years younger here.
What's your secret!?