Matt's Safari 911 Needs a Rebuild - What's Wrong (And How Much to Fix It)
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Just 600 miles of driving after getting my Safari Build back from Leh Keen, I started getting a heavy amount of oil smoke from the exhaust, and the engine began to burn twice as much oil as designed. I took the car to TLG Auto in North Hollywood, CA, where air-cooled expert Marco Gerace disassembled the entire motor and diagnosed the issue. We visit Marco to see exactly what went wrong, and find out what it's going to cost to get it back together and good as new.
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Hey Matt, I love it when you keep interrupting expert guests. Please keep doing that. It’s not annoying at all.
Matt does it all the time. I agree with you, it is annoying.
Will Cooper Especially with all of the analogies lmao
heheheheheh exactly what I was thinking ..
@El C0n then turns the comments off. He's very fragile.
@@sjones72751 yeah, everybody should just leave that way he makes no money off his channel, your sound stupid as shit
I love how Matt can't help himself from 'correcting' everything the man who has been working on air cooled Porsche's for 40 years says
"The Smoking Tire for sure" -Marco with the jokes
Get Marco on the smoking tire podcast.
When I was in tech school we learned that if you need to mark pistons, you do it on the inside of the skirt somewhere because marks on the surface of the piston will lead to hot spots that cause pre-det. Someone else commented something similar below. BUT, I haven't owned a porsche shop for the last 40 years, I'm not trying to pretend I know more than this dude. Just weird to see someone mark a piston like that, I'd be curious to hear an explanation
"I didn't know that was a thing," said a very nervous Matt, ehhe...
Those piston marks are barely more than a scratch. By the time the cam is broken in you won't even see the mark anymore.
@@YetiSpeed Good point, I was watching at work in a real small browser window so I didn't see just how faint the marks were.
Its more of a scratch.
Scrrraaattches
Matt: how much is this gonna cost?
Mechanic: 18 to 20
Matt: whoa! Whoa!
Mechanic: Yea, Porsche makes good motors. Good cars.***While he is smiling and chuckling to himself. Laughing all the way to the bank***
Good For his wallet!
$18k-$20k U$D for a top-end rebuild?!?
Head Rebuild, Rings, Valves, Guides & Springs.
Is this Guy on f--‘in crack?!?
Everytime I think I want an old 911, I watch a video like this and am reminded that a major service is a MAJOR service. Like a Ferrari, the ability to buy one and the ability to buy one and maintain one are two different things.
MrEli204 it’s nuts and bolts just like any other machine. People are “Too Scared” to attempt to work on their own shit. Set your purse down and don’t be afraid to get your hands dirty. Everyone is quick to run to a mechanic who 9-10 times doesn’t know shit as well.
@@ricksokol5039 don't disagree but price out the cost of a set of pistons and cylinder heads for a 3.2 vs a 240z or sbc. For the cost of the replacement pistons/heads for that 3.2 you can buy a brand new coyote crate engine.
It's weird watching Matt do the kind of content that is popular, but that he's resisted all these years.
dude if fat marah starts vlogging and chris harris sticks to doing 2minute top gear videos then automotive journalism can rest in peace.
@@herberthans7015 I'd actually like Matt doing the occasional vlog. Dude has a super interesting collection of cars that we never hear about.
@@illegalmachine if you emphasize "occasional" sure. he should do whatever floats his boat. however he's one of the last people out there who make videos for drivers, not for money or for kids and without trying to be a comedian, only using cars as exposure for their vlogs, etc. it's sad enough that he stopped doing one-takes with cars of viewers, if he follows the trend I will literally puke and unsub.
@@herberthans7015 I'd have loved to see more videos of his Corvette, DeLorean, his manual swapped Vanquish, and his Fox Body. Now his Safari build and Lambo. These are legit unique cars and we don't see much beyond some Instagram pictures. It's a shame in my opionion. And I know a lot of it is that Matt doesn't like bragging about his shit.
Hell, he could have a channel dedicated to his car storage being built. I'd watch the hell out of it.
@@illegalmachine He said he is going to do like 4 more videos with the safari IIRC. agree that we needed more videos with the vette and manual aston martin and now the countach.
I didn't know vsauce worked on porsches
Lmao!!
Dammit you beat me to it, nice one.
That surely has to be the price for a full engine rebuild.
That's a top end rebuild.
Don't...interrupt...the...expert...talking! Jeeez...
He does that a lot, doesn’t he?
Yeah dude. I almost screamed "just shut the fuck up and listen for a second..." at my monitor
jesus i am glad I'm not the only one thinking this.. fuck stfu and let the man talk
That’s why he turned off commentary on his ig. This dude can’t stand people talking to him, lol
YESS.
Matt - 18-20k is a lot for a 3.2 top-end rebuild. If you're a member of Porsche Club of America (PCA) talk to some guys in the club ...at least give Magnus Walker a call! My PCA chapter always steered me in the right direction. We had a guy who had is 3.2 completely rebuilt for less.
I think it'll cost him much less. I'm sure making this video was a 50% discount for him.
Of course he’s a member, which “enthusiast “ wouldn’t be.
@@jlboygenius Getting the "Good Deal" price
Matt has built a ridiculously expensive, small travel Baja bug
I was thinking hipster ford raptor
$18k and you're only good for another 60k miles? Is this a joke?
LMAO u would think we were talking about a Ferrari not a... what? (im guessing) a 220hp engine....
The mechanics not even replacing the pistons, imagine spending 20k for a rebuild and having the same brittle 30 year old pistons reinstalled. Matt's getting bent over and loving it.
West LA Porsche scene tax
@Tex 13 sb2.2 with air shifted sequential 6 speed. Please make it happen rich people
And people says rotary engines are expensive and doesn't last long
That can't be right.
You can buy a fully refurbished crate engine 3.2 for 12k here in Germany. Theres no way a top-end only overhaul should be that expensive. Parts can't be that expensive to get in the US...
It's not parts, it's labor in the US that's so friggin' expensive. Guys like him demand lots of zeros, and there's plenty of people here willing to sign that check.
@@AkioWasRight Might be, but I don't get those guys anyways. Literally half the fun to be had with a Carrera is the wrenching, so why not doing it yourself if you really love your 911 that much? I mean its not exactly rocket science, especially on the older engines. You don't even need any special tools if you plan to swap parts out instead of refurbishing them.
@@meteormedia7021 To be honest, it has to do with the type of buyer. Porsche people in the US are driving enthusiasts, but they aren't wrenchers. They're generally very wealthy and stuck-up. They love their cars, but they won't dare open the hood or do their own work.
@@AkioWasRight That's true for most Euro car owners in America. If you're a Chevy guy, you're the exact opposite.
@@nukewiller4083 Yes, they're broke and like to wrench.
When the bill is $18,000-$20,000 for a refresh. My question is, what would the parts cost be for someone doing this themselves?
exactly, i was like holy-o-fuck bois 18k!
$500 for the rebuild kit maybe another $1-5k for any other parts that are bad or you feel like freshing up. Vast majority of the cost is the time of the specialist porche guy.
Specalist mechanics are expensive.
Absurd price to do a mild refresh on a beetle engine.
question is can you do this yourself with a workshopmanual alone. or do you need specialist tools and whatnot
18k is an inflated price and no you are not supposed to strike the piston with anything because that area will now be a hot spot and may cause detonation. Anything with an edge in your combustion chamber will attract a hot spot. The fact he done that makes me question his entire operation.
Alexander Barr must be a Porsche tax.
@@akkual Fly cuts are factored into the combustion calculations when the manufacturer is designing the engine and also tend to be large enough as to dissipate any potential concentrated heat where as striking something into the surface where the flame front is expected to contact evenly is never ok.
No it wont be a "hot spot", I've rebuilt corvette engines and you do need to number the piston heads aswell as the the piston rods. It's common practice.
@@alexanderbarr knows more than a 40 year speciality mechanic. LOOOOOOOL
That was a more of a scratch than a cut.
Might as well fully rebuild it. Seems like a waste of time to pull the motor and not rebuild it completely
Why doesn't marco have his own channel guy is super smart
He's making 20Gs doing a top end rebuild why tf would he waste time on youtube
Because clowns like Matt are making him rich already
He is making mad Gs milking all the LA scenesters brah, he’s got it figured out already.
He isn't stupid enough to have his own channel. The real question is why are you not smart enough to have figured that out already.
Great look at the guts of this machine! Thanks a lot for such a candid video Matt.
Thanks Matt. That was some good insight on the repair of your car. Can't wait to hear it running again after the refresh
Sorry to hear that you need the rebuild, but it sounds like Marco is doing the right stuff. 964 grind is nice and reliable and will give you a bit more power up top. Hope the car is back on the road for spring!
This makes me appreciate Toyota's legendary and reliable 2JZ-GTE engine even more.
exactly what I was thinking :P
@Tex 13 7M is a beast, just torque that head down and you got an oldschool 2JZ :D
@@cptbuiltk7944 I'll take the 700 lb penalty of having reliable Iron block turbocharged inline 6 goodness anyday of the week .
@Tex 13 For sure, the JZ is a superior engine in every way but if you just want a cool street car that you take to the hills every few weeks the 7M is a sweet engine. Just gotta look after it more than you would a JZ!
Marco is the man!!! This was awesome - thanks Matt. We have all been there for the $$$ estimate delivery - priceless to get your reaction real time.
Great content as usual Matt, learned a lot on this video. Please keep updates going on the repairs.
Matt - STOP INTERRUPTING. Just shut up and let the guy talk. Constantly interrupting someone when they're explaining something doesn't make for a watchable video. Besides, if two people are going to be talking they both need to be mic'd properly. Your muffled, off-camera interruptions added nothing of value.
Len Laughridge tf up
Lol
With that washing issue on the piston crown I'd be thinking of going with a rebuilt short motor. If oil has been getting past the rings, there is a possibility fuel has been going in the opposite direction, mixing with oil and being sent back up, it may not have been happening but is it worth risking? Top end rebuild on a suspect bottom end, all on an engine with a history of burning oil, not something I would ever recommend. (As an aside, I earned my mechanics certs on VW's and air-cooled VW engines).
Love this style video. Great info from a real pro. More like this!
Matt, thanks for sharing. Very informative, and entertaining. You don't see every day a popular RUclipsr doing a walk around inside their vintage Porsche engine.
Take it to a VW guy and he’ll do it for $50.
then take it back to the Porsche guy to fix what the VW guy messed up
Mustie1
@@eeterp32 its a machine not a mystery, it is built out of the same materials as any other engine, it has torque specs for the bolts like every other engine. If you can rebuild one engine you can rebuild them ALL, its just a matter of following the specs. I bet my dick-hole that those $2,000 valve springs are made by the exact same company that makes $200 valve springs for chevy's and guess what its the exact same spring maybe the diameter is slightly different but it come out of the same machine , but because it says porsch on it they know morons will pay 10x more for it, in fact those morons want to pay 10x more because it adds to the illusion of prestige. god forbid they realize it has the exact same stainless steel valves as a pickup truck.
Any decent restorer/tuner would do a good job. Simple old engines
with no secrets to be decoded... A friend had his porsche engine rebuilt by a
VW restorer. Made 8 hp more than stock on the dyno and still runs perfect after
15 years of daily use april - october.
Maintenance and tuning of the carbs is all that's been needed.
Thumbs up for Marco tho!
This *is* the VW guy! :))
Jesus 18k. That's a lot.
Could get a decent used Jeep for that, do some proper off-roading.
generally the top end rebuild costs 10-12k not sure where the extra is coming from.
No disrespect to Marco, but I don't get it either. I've pulled motors, pulled heads off normal cars... And when I see that Porsche engine, it looks like a very simple engine internally and externally
@@rickc2102 I'd rather have a Safari 911 haha. My buddy has a jeep Wrangler and they're fun but as Matt said you can't un shitbox something. The interior is eh.
I’ll rebuild it for 17,500! 😆 Jesus Christ it’s cheaper to build an aircraft engine which is the same and usually more expensive. RAPED!!! 😆😆😆
It's great when you know the pro to turn to. Thanks for posting.
VERY valuable advice from TLG.
And Matt, I am definitely not like you but I look at cars constantly and work on them myself.
damn that's rough. I love how Marco was very careful about what he said, just as he is extremely careful in his work! I'm surprised he chipped into the pistons to label them though...
Stephen Mueller yeah that can’t be good
It's barely more than a scratch...
He’s an idiot. Air cooled shit is simple. He’s not launching rockets, machine work is machine work. Those cylinders and heads shouldn’t cost much more to machine than a VW bug just 2 more cylinders.I love watching cocky people get took to the cleaners. Get a Lambo and you immediately have to act like a conversation interrupting douche.
@@ricksokol5039 you get, machine work is machine work. Just because somebody is charging a shit load of money doesn't mean it costs any more to manufacture then normal part do. I bet if you walked into a auto parts store with that $2,000 dollar valve spring they could find you a identical spring from a toyota or chevy.
This guy has the looks and on camera presence of Alex Roy's nerdy cousin. I like it.
Always great to see skilled mechanics explain the situation!
Love this type of content. Would love to see more stuff like this in the future.
This thing is not worth the cost Lol.. f that.
I hate how Matt keeps interrupting him. Just shut up and sit down. Let the professional speak.
D W over the last year I’ve stopped watching most of his stuff because of his attitude. The entitlement is showing 10 fold. A car enthusiast that knows nothing about the mechanical makeup of his car still blows my mind. And those prices are the Hollywood gouge. 🤦♂️
@@ricksokol5039 100% in agreement with you. Matt Farah, the car "expert" that isn't a professional driver, doesn't know the mechanics of his cars, isn't a car designer. He's an entitled rich kid with a go pro, riding on his dad's coat tail.
"BURN"
Finally Matt has started out his video with an ad that is related to his channel, and one that is worthwhile. Good job Matt 👍
very cool to get the info straight from the expert, great video
Sorry to hear that Matt! And I thought blowing the rod out of the block in my box body was bad ... Got another truck just need to pull the 302 and swap heads... Should be done next year hopefully. Good luck buddy! I can't stop thinking about sloppy mechanic. He makes 1000whp with dirty parts and his cars run great while a porche needs $20k to do a basic rebuild!? I should ls my fox body...
dominick253 Don’t LS swap the fox body.
Sloppy gang!
yes LS swap it, LS1 5.7L are expensive for whatever reason look for a 6.0L but be weary most are used to death because only heavy duty truck got them and for the same price you could get a low miles clean 5.3L add a cheap cam and long tube headers will net you a easy 400hp and still idle decent. But first i'd take a look around for a 351 Windsor cause you might find one dirt cheap plus it should pretty much bolt right in, its a much stronger block then a 302 and has so much more potential. those 49 cubes make a noticeable difference especially once you start adding bold on's
"Porsches are great motors man!"
*top end rebuild costs $18-20k*
I’ve never seen a mechanic be so cool about a rebuild. It’s always the same story, “While your hear, do it all” but he was very open to explaining everything which is really cool.
Great vid Matt. Really interesting details. She is a gem. All this investment will be worth it. Peace of mind. Hope your lambo was an easy fix. Thanks for sharing your 911 engine rebuild journey.
The machine work on the heads is in the 600-1000 dollar range with the new valve guides. Dont know what the spring and retainers run but it cant be more than 1000 bucks Id guess under. Cam is 1200 bucks for a billet 964ish grind. CP piston set is 1100 bucks. Throw another 1000 in for gaskets seals and other consumables. = 5300 RNR of that motor i think pays 15 hours including pressure testing it and adding fluids. @ 300 an hour = 4500. (300 an hour is insane) That leaves 8000 or more to have a machine shop check the jugs and pistons. Slap rings on it and bolt the jugs down 8k would pay for 30+ hours of labor 18 to 20k is total rebuild money with some hotrod parts.
Those prices are all 20-30% low, CP pistons are $1400+
Sorry, but a motor is not good if it needs a rebuild at 100k.
I was thinking the same.
You really have to love Porsche to consider that those engines last forever... and forget the 20kUSD bill every 10 to 15 years. Or maybe Porsche's owners are wealthy. What is 20k nowadays?
Welcome to Porsche world.
That's just the top end. The bottom in another 60k... which will be another 20-grand bill. May as well refresh the bottom while it's out and apart.
This is a performance engine, not a Camry. It's probably been driven accordingly (hard) for the past decades. Plus you don't know if the car ever got proper maintenance with its previous owners. These engines have a reputation for being extremely good and reliable for a reason, but even amongst the best of engines, you'll always find some that fail earlier, most likely because of poor maintenance or sometimes just bad luck. The difference is, with any "normal" car, people are just going to sell it for scrap and not spend the money to do a rebuild.
Very cool tech video. I’m not much of a wrench but love to learn. Hopefully you are back up and running soon.
Absolutely LOVE autotempest
This is why i work on my own cars.
Something always happens after a car has been to the “mechanic”
They fix one thing while setting another up to break soon.
next video, stay quit and let your guest communicate. that's the purpose of an informative production. it's ok to take a back seat.
Wow, so far so good with my 993 Turbo but I only have 79k miles. Good Luck Matt, I am sure the car will be better than new.
It's gonna feel great with the rebuild. Hopefully we'll get to see you rally it in 2019.
Trust fund can't cover it?
Wooah, an "air-cool" 18-20k... But it'll be worth it Matt!
He'll have to sell one of his Rolexes.
@@samadrid6321 He's got a million dollars in custom shotguns alone, this is probably going to cost him a few days worth of interest on the interest of his money. LOL
So basically change he finds under the seat of his truck.
What makes u think he has money? He doesn’t make that much from his RUclips channel. He will probably be able to afford it by giving Marco exposure and getting a discount.
Cost of California Porsche scene. He's a captive neophyte in the hands of a shark....
Wow - that slant-nose turbo is sooooo cool! And all those other turbos! And that original paint '73 Targa! And that race car! And of course the "pink" safari... Too much cool.
It is soooo interesting how similar to my modified beetle motor this is. I do a refresh like this once in a while as well. In the last 15 years I have performed maybe 4 refreshes like you are doing (new pistons/cylinders/rings/ go through the heads) usually at a cost of 500.00 per refresh. I have had to go through the short block 3 times due to an oil starvation issue that I finally resolved (remember I race this ALOT). It is fun to watch the pro look at the short block knowing the pandora's box that it is to split apart (its good, he says.....I am sure it is and I am sure he does NOT want to go through it unless totally necessary. ….) Make sure he replaces the oil pump. The refresh is so easy that you Mr Matt could have done it. I would have replaced the pistons and cylinders with new Mahle, looks like he is reusing yours. Maybe have him port the heads while it is out.
I would have NEVER guessed $18,000. holly shit... no seriously, holly shit...
After he told me he struck numbers into the piston tops I would have told him to stop where he is, tell me what I owe him at this point and take the car out of there in pieces and brought it to someone else...
That totally blew my mind.
Random Someone SERIOUSLY WTF IS GOING ON Matt is in waaaay too deep
I used to score with a screwdriver in the carbon layer, but that was when I was working on ghetto ass cars, a complete engine tear down and rebuild (top and bottom) was less then $750 including parts, and on an 80's opel, it would not matter anyway. If he dented in my Porsche pistons, I would have been pretty furious.
Wow loved this video Matt! Especially since I'm a mechanic 🤗
Really like this guy. Do more with him.
Maybe 18-20 hundred bucks? 😬🤔😂
What the fuck is twenty hundred bucks? Are you more familiar with pesos?
Dream on. Hier ist Porschegeld.
@@CodyUnderstorms ok hillbilly guzinta math
This content is neat.. A+ stuff..
Sounds about right. Best of luck getting it back on time.
12:54 If it doesn't look like this is doesn't go back in the car. A proper passionate mechanic, loving that.
$18,000?!? I thought he was saying $1,800-$2,000 to freshen up the top end... You're getting ROBBED!
2000 might cover the valves. might not.
Matt, you should do more of this.
12:51 "so if all of mine looked like this, would that be OK?" Marcos face is like, then you wouldn't be here fool!
This is pretty cool Matt. I learned a lot in this one. Just being able to look at the heads gives me a very rough idea how air-cooling is even possible, with each cylinder head looking like a big heatsink. Marco is great- you should have him on TST podcast. Engine builders and guys with this amount of knowledge should continue to be heralded and archived--- I simply won't get the same info-boner listening to kids from MIT telling me how batteries work.
Feelin real dumb since you had Marco on in June.... Back to the new assembly video. Then I'll check out the pod w/ Marco. Have fun out there.
That's nearly as expensive as the most expensive car I've bought. Yikes!
I'm pretty sure Matt misunderstood him and he didn't mean $18,000-$20,000. I think he meant $1,800 to $2,000... Based on my personal experience with engine building and re-building through different machine shops. Matt, could you shed some light on this? What value did he actually mean?
This is really an awesome video
More Marco videos! Also have fun in Arizona! Hope you pull through Sedona
Matt, this guy is charging you 10k extra.
This is the video I have been waiting for for the past 3 years or so
Yes, you hates VLOGS, including the word vlog. It's understandable.
But from a pure maths perspective it makes as much, if not more sense than even the OneTakes.
You have minimal financial burden, so th ebreak even point is super low
You have a YT Channel that is lacking in views in the past year or so but have the biggest Automotive podcast there is.
Obviously people are interested in your charakter more than the actual content (the specific car you are driving)
The only downside I can see is the time spent, the stigma that's attached to vlogs, as well as you hating having to do it.
But please give it a shot if the downsides aren't too much of a hassle
Wow... brutal. Yet it makes cool RUclips headlines ..TLG rocks...
OH wow, that 73 brought me back. I had a red 78 Targa. Miss that little thing.
L.A. Lifestyle, Send your car to the Porsche mechanic Have him tear the motor down then ask how much it cost to put back together. Smoking Tire, smoking Cash.
The Smoking Wallet.
“Porches are good motors”, right there is when I spit up some coffee. Also, I would never try to save money by not doing an entire rebuild. Reuse pistons-never. The car will leave the shop with a questionable bottom end and when it decides to go it will take out your new top end with it.
Love the technicals....
The paint color looks wayyy better than previous video!
That price for a top end rebuild seems really, really high. That's the price I get from my local specialist for a full rebuild. I'd say $8k would be the market price for just the top end. The unfortunate thing is that's a rebuild with no increase in performance. Which is why people put LSx' into these things so often- and I'm thinking of it too on my 964. $18-$20k for an engine that produces between 150 to 300 HP (in my 964) is insane when you can get 500+ so cheaply from Chevy. Flame away purists- those Renegade Hybrid conversions are BAD ASS>
$8k might not cover the cost of just the parts
You can't turn as good with the v8, I'd go for a k20 or something haha. Speed academy's video on the LS turbo 911 is funny.
@@eeterp32 what are these part made of gold? i can buy custom titanium rods,titanium valves, titanium valve springs and titanium retainers for less then $8,000 for any other engine and since they're you know custom built to my specification why exactly couldn't i have them made up to match stock porsch specs?
@@eaglefat9398 supply and demand my friend. It's really too bad because air cooled 911s are great fun but, prices like this are unaffordable for most. By the way, this statement isn't true for many/most european and classic cars" i can buy custom titanium rods,titanium valves, titanium valve springs and titanium retainers for less then $8,000".
@@eeterp32 that statement is true if you don't go to rip off specialty parts suppliers that rip you off based off of the name stamped into the front of your car. Just hit up the chevy race parts suppliers because a lot of parts aren't really that different in spec and half the time there are dozens of custom fitments. I've seen a professional engine builder user Chrysler main bearings in a Lotus engine with almost zero modification, finding the original bearings was near impossible and they weren't that good anyways. This is very true with valve springs, as i have personally had vortex heads milled to use high lift springs. So i can almost assure you that my local machine shop could with very little machining get those Porsche head to accept standard valve springs, valves and retainers, im not talking about OEM junk rather high end endurance racing parts which are probably better quality and still cheaper then the OEM Porsche parts. Now oblivious you can't just slap off the shelf parts in and expect it to work but if you know the clearances and actually have the skill like the porsch mechanic claims to have it makes sense to retro fit the engine.
So what I don't get is the whole not taking this into account when you got a 94k miles car.
94K ain't shit even for a cheap American car from the 80s , basically anything pre 72 is only a 100k engine due to piston ring materiel, valve seats, poor rod ratios causing piston side loading but by the 80s the engine its self was easily a 150k to 200k before it started blowing smoke or wearing down a cam and losing compression (now the rest of the car would fall apart but were talking engines here)
...too busy converting a beautiful example into a Baja Bug...shame...
great vid !
Great video
Marco, "They(matt's porsche) clean the air " Really!? ha, was marco joking? Or was this a jab at LA air quality?
Should have bought a 996 Matt!
Looks like a good time to increase the compression. But then again I don't know, Matt doesn't have that 93 on tap like we do in the Midwest
That's why I carry a half a quart of apple martini lube in the glove box. Works like Lucas and other sealing products and goes one step further with other products they are only for inside your crankcase however what I use it allows for cranking your case.
I like this format. But 20k hell no boi more like 4-5k if that
Boi?? Fucken hood ass hipster..............
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo the type of nigga to use "fucken" while criticizing "boi."
nano Lol $4-5k to do that with a civic engine, No fucking way you'll find a quote for a $4,000 rebuild on a Porsche 3.2l
I wish you would let the expert finish what he is saying
Swap it with something that makes more power and lasts 100K miles. Need more videos Matt. Thanks for everything you do.
When my first 911S needed a top end rebuild, I traded it in on a new one.
I got $500 more in trade (with 100K miles) than I had paid for it. lol
I understand that you're upgrading a bit of the components when reassembling it with new hardware and changing up the cam which will involve a retune most likely and all that, but $18,000 is a complete ripoff. You could be the most competent specialized mechanic in the world on air cooled engines and do your work flawlessly and there's no way you're going to be putting in 80 (assuming 6000 is in parts and $150/hour labor) hours on this rebuild. Pulling engine and disassembly 5 hours max, milling the heads flat might take an hour per head at most, springs, valves, and retainers per head looking at about 30 minutes per head at most, cleaning up the cylinders and pistons maybe an additional hour per add 30min per for rings if necessary, new cam tossed in maybe like 45 mins to an hour, full reassembly of the engine shouldn't take more than a few hours at most, and then dropping it back in the car and hooking everything up an additional 2-3 hours? Rough estimate about 30-40 hours of work on the high side. Unless the parts are crazy expensive or these guys charge $300/hour none of this makes sense, this should be a cut and dry $12,000 job all year long.
I think it's more than $150/hr for an air cooled 911 shop
More videos with this guy.
Had an 81 and got 243,000 out of it before rebuild. This was back in1998. Rebuild was pretty expensive to farm out so did it myself for under 2k in parts. Am sure the parts are more expensive now. If you are able, these motors are not so bad to do top end on.
I've been waiting on this one!
"Buy German/European cars. They are the best and never fail." - Lemmings. Until they always do and then cost the price of another car to have fixed.
@@soundofeighthooves Hmmm. Let me reread my comment. Ok. Just read it. I clearly didn't say that at all. Work on your reading comprehension perhaps? You can also stop trying to put words in other people's mouths. Seems pretty easy.
There are a lot of terrible German/Euro cars that will explode if you look at them the wrong way. But most of these old Porsche units (excluding the 2.7L) are solid motors. However, they are still really expensive to get repaired.
Over engineered euro-trash..
@@soundofeighthooves American cars break but they are designed to be fixable at a reasonable price, which would you rather have a chevy that needs a $18 wheel bearing at 100k miles or a German car that needs a $300 wheel bearing at 150k miles ? parts wear out and need maintenance regardless, its a piece of heavy machinery not an appliance
@Tex 13 late 2000's Benz 3.5L are Lemons and there is a class action lawsuit over it, i had two first a 08 clk350 that got rod knock at only 32K miles and after the dealer refusing to fix saying that its normal for the rods to knock on cold start i said if its fine then i want to trade for a different car on you lot i'll pay the difference, i upgraded to a 09 clk350 with better trim package and only 28K miles well jokes on me after its first dealer oil change it also started to rod knock and the variable intake runners were broken so it had no bottom end torque and to top it off the cam end seals leaked. There is also another class action suit for the timing chain tensioner being a known issue and benz knowingly refusing to fix it.
A really good car that burns a quart of oil every 1000 to 1500 miles. That does not compute.
Air cooled tolerances have to be a lot looser to allow for thermal expansion and contraction. Thus more oil gets by.
Lol, I live locally in Venice in west LA and this is exactly why I had my rebuild done out of state by an A/C specialist. My 3.2 top end rebuild was 12k including new fuel lines, rotor, cap, sound pad, clutch and all the other shit you do when the motor is out. 20k is absolute robbery.
How much is a complete set of after market heads? Because that sounded very high! I would like to know how much is parts and how much is labour?
Nice video Matt! Would love more content like this!