lol. I was hoping to get some comments on the thumbnail. I think it's hilarious! Just trying to have some fun with the thumbnails and put a smile on a lot of faces!!
Thank you! My goal is to give every product a fair test. Unfortunately, too many products don't quite live up to their claims! Hoping these videos will save people time and money, when also providing an enjoyable video. Thanks again!!
Can we all just take a moment and appreciate the time and effort this man and his team puts into these extensive tests. And this one in particular I'd say. Lots of hours in the making..
Oh absolutely! I love this channel. I never see short cuts and everything is carefully thought out. I actually have a HHO generator. I want it to work but after this video..... Think I'll just give it away.
@Charles McKinley apparently hho has a higher expansion rate, it does burn more in the cylinder then just gas. But you have to reprogram the ECU/chip and do all kinds of stuff that makes it not really worth it.. The engine starts sensing more oxygen and then starts dumping in more fuel because it thinks its running lean, so generally you're not going to get better results without heavy modification.. Also optimal voltage is 2.2v so ideally you want 6 cells separated in the car, you charge at 12 volt but tap off the batteries in parallel so you only get 2.2v to the cell..
This reminds me of when I was 16 and bought my first car in the 60's. I bought every gimmick known to man from the JC Whitney catalog. Each installation would boost HP by 15-10%. By all accounts I should have had a 500 HP 283 Chevy, but alas nothing ever changed. I can still hear my dad LHAO. It seems that the products now days are higher tech labelled, but work about as well as I remember. Thanks for doing this, it brought back some great memories. 🤭
I remember those 1000 watt 6 x 9 speakers, oil-foul-resistant spark plugs, and an in-dash AM/FM/TV Cassette player. They also had a lot of big bore kits for VW Beetles and stuff like that.
Oh man. Those were fading out when I was a kid in the 80’s. So, I moved on to the P.A.W. Catalog. Chock full of everything from the latest in Wolverine blue racer cams to the complete, “assemble it yourself” all aluminum BBC. (Boomer bbc, not zoomer bbc)
He use a generator for saving gas mileage. That was wrong you need to install in a car that can lean out the gas to save on mileage. You can’t get mpg out of something that don’t move .this tiny little system definitely isn’t big enough to show anything. So yeah he’s right it’s to good to be true because the set up is wrong . Someone figured they know in theory this works put on a different scale so they figurethey could find a handful of Desperate people to buy the product
@@NoBs48 mileage is a way to measure fuel consumption. The generator runs at a almost constant rpm and if you add the exact same amount of fuel you can get a time that can be used to measure fuel consumption. Just because it didn't measure mileage doesn't mean the test is wrong. It is just a different way to measure fuel consumption.
@@ProjectFarm i did the double treatment to my motorcycle and as soon as i poured it in it atleast felt like the engine started to run smoother (could be psychological effect). But your tests and stuff could actually check if their claims are even clos to the truth.
SCIENCE? Really? Did PF Test the generator to see if higher Octane Fuels were an advantage? They are only advantageous if the engine is designed, engineered, and properly tuned for High Octane Fuels. So the same theory must apply to the addition of H2 gas. Did PF test to see if doubling the available Oxygen would improve efficiency of the Generator? Well no, because the ECU assumes that only 20% oxygen is available at 68F at Sea Level. No my friend. Whilst PF's videos are entertaining, they are very very far from being anything that could be considered SCIENTIFIC. Wayyyy too many assumptions being made and implied in all of his 'experiments'. But very entertaining.
This is actually the best informative video I've seen. You're wasting NO time at all explaining the stuff your talking about, and you're not leaving out any important details. Great work man, you've earned yourself a subscription.
@@ProjectFarm Dude, try this if you able and still have setup. Run your car on gas. Measure gas consumption. Now make hydrogen outside of engine. Now keep reducing the fuel mix so you running leaner. Keep running lean until engine stops. Now add hydrogen. Keep adding fuel + air making it richer. Now how much less fuel are you using? This will tell you if you have more efficient combustion because you added hydrogen to the mix. Then it's question of power to produce hydrogen vs savings in less gas consumed. There could be economic advantages. Gas at $5/gal, it still might be cheaper to cook hydrogen at home and run it with your vehicle.
@@Cougracer67 Oh, I don't mean this to drive. I mean to determine if adding hydrogen+ air to allows a much leaner fuel mixture to produce same power out. If it can then that would be some evidence that hydrogen can act as a catalyst to increase gas efficiency. At least it's a start towards proving this out. If I understand what he did, he tried original fuel air mixture + hydrogen -- not lean mix.
Search on this for a paper published in the Alexandria Engineering Journal (full pdf available free): Effect of hydroxy (HHO) gas addition on gasoline engine performance and emissions Mohamed M.EL-KassabyYehia A.EldrainyMohamed E.KhidrKareem I.Khidr Mechanical Engineering Department, Faculty of Engineering, Alexandria University, Egypt Received 8 June 2015, Revised 14 October 2015, Accepted 28 October 2015, Available online 21 November 2015, Version of Record 8 March 2016. Abstract The objective of this work was to construct a simple innovative HHO generation system and evaluate the effect of hydroxyl gas HHO addition, as an engine performance improver, into gasoline fuel on engine performance and emissions. HHO cell was designed, fabricated and optimized for maximum HHO gas productivity per input power. The optimized parameters were the number of neutral plates, distance between them and type and quantity of two catalysts of Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) and sodium hydroxide (NaOH). The performance of a Skoda Felicia 1.3 GLXi gasoline engine was evaluated with and without the optimized HHO cell. In addition, the CO, HC and NOx emissions were measured using TECNO TEST exhaust gas analyzer TE488. The results showed that the HHO gas maximum productivity of the cell was 18 L/h when using 2 neutrals plates with 1 mm distance and 6 g/L of KOH. The results also showed 10% increment in the gasoline engine thermal efficiency, 34% reduction in fuel consumption, 18% reduction in CO, 14% reduction in HC and 15% reduction in NOx.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken - How do you know it was Hydrogen? That's just an assumption. Was the gas tested to see if Hydrogen was being produced, or were the bubbles just Steam from boiling water with a DC heater? What about the Oxygen being produced, is it visible?
I have been binge watching you for 3 days, and I am extremely impressed with your engineering skills, dedication, and attention to detail in your videos. To me, your reviews are as good as Consumer Reports reviews in the old days. I am really glad I found you.
There are some issues you weren't aware of. The electrolyte works optimally at 165F. Ideally you want 'ported' vacuum to draw in the brown's gas. Drilled hole in the intake is not ported vacuum. Most cars no longer have ported vacuum. If you have a PVC valve and connect to that, the benefits are reversed (you want more of the gas when you accelerate not less and PVC vacuum is reverse of that). You want no more than 20 amp load. About 10amp is optimal so as not to place drag on the alternator. You want a brown's gas output of 1 liter per minute per liter of engine size. Additionally there are other things to trick the engine into utilizing the brown's gas effectively (deals with the upstream O2 sensor and IAT). Just slapping one on can improve things a bit up to about 20% increase in MPG without other modifications. I got double on the wife's car, but for a day. Her 4 cyl ran like a 6 cyl as far as power and acceleration went. Seems the computer didn't like the car getting that great of MPG and brought the mapping back into what the manufacturer's specs were. I even installed 3 lights too. Green meaning it is on and working. Yellow meant it was low on water. Red means pull yer arse over and see what the problem is (usually blown fuse or loose wire or something but could be worse). Car would work with any of the lights on. Had to keep resetting the computer every time I used the system. Finally removed it due to the hassle. The hydrogen in that will slowly remove built up carbon. When there is no free carbon available (takes a LONG time) it will pull carbon out of any steel parts (this is called Hydrogen embrittlement). Those plates are made from stainless steel. Best plates are made from Platinum. Plate spacing is roughly 1.1mm for great results. One hot plate and at least 5 or more neutral plates before the negative plate. Some use electronics to pulse the DC current to to cell around 44kHz. The water you must use has to be store bought distilled water. Other water has contaminants in it that reduce efficiency, eat plates, draw too much current, create too much heat, and create sludge in the system. Never use salt in a system like that. It creates Hydrogen chloride gas which can be explosive in sunlight. With the dry cell, you don't have to worry about hitting bumps and drawing the electrolyte into the engine like you do with a wet cell. Remember, there is no free ride with anything. It takes more energy to break the water molecules than you get out of it. But the advantage is more efficient combustion and resulting more power and better MPG if you keep your foot out of it. Just a few tidbits for everyone. Author - redo the test but drive the car for 1 hour SANELY in warm weather so the system gets to operating temperature. Then test it again. We saw you run that stop sign! lol
@@ddddmmmm9026 2004 chevy. If you use non ported vacuum, your benefit is at idle as you have max vac applied. Once you apply the throttle, vacuum drops and the cell reduces output. That is backwards from what you want to do. I did try it on an old Jeep 6cyl too. It had a bad miss in it even though all the parts were working fine. Hooked up an external cell to the vacuum and direct from the battery. Within 15 minutes, the miss was gone and the engine ran smooth as glass. Once I disconnected the cell, within another 15 min it was back to having a miss in it. I used stainless steel plates and Potassium Hydroxide with distilled water. Plates were 1MM separated. It was a container not the wet cell some use. Plates size was roughly 3" x 5". Used 7 plates, 5 were neutrals in between the electrode plates. Edges sealed with Marine silicone. Amps were between 13 and 20 depending on the temperature. Any more that that it created drag on your alternator and much of the water would evaporate off without converting due to high heat. Had to be very careful as the solution became a toxic waste due to chromium released from the stainless steel. Gloves are highly recommended and so is eye/face protection. Bad thing about stainless steel is that it is a resistor. Platinum electrodes are the best but who can afford them??
I found I only needed 3-4 volts to effectively run my system, I used a voltage reducer to heat the water around the pvc capsule containing my plates. Had it explode a few times under the hood bc of the faulty voltage reducer getting too hot exposing hydrogen under the hood next to my headers. 😅 I was only 17.... live and learn. You need a stand alone computer and a hell of a programmer friend to get these to work on anything newer than the late 80s.
@@kjruff7786 Actually there are two key components to fiddle with - The O2 sensor output and the IAT sensor. You can buy a module to tap into the O2 sensor(s) (I think it is called a PWM) to trick the computer. For the IAT, simply remove it from the air intake and let it sit under the hot hood. Deviating too much out of the fuel map will set a code and you lose your benefits. Not sure you you could fracture the molecule bonds of water with that low of a voltage. The typical sweet spot for voltage is around 28-30 VDC.
The o2 sensor extensions actually don't normally work as most cars have 2-4 o2 sensors now and they work with about 4+ other sensors. Tricking them only messes with other sensors and the computer compensates by pushing in more fuel
My friends and I used to make these in college, we had a Civic that we actually got up to 60 mph with. Everything was stock, except for the homemade HHO generator, BUT we did have to tune the ECU. We did learn that it makes a bigger difference with gasoline engines versus diesel engines. But we did get my 2004 diesel excursion up to 24 MPG. I swear by HHO, but you definitely have to tune the ecu to inject less fuel because the air is richer.
This was a good experiment but there is a difference to running a generator under continuous load to driving and it is simply this: HHO is delivered to the engine regardless of whether your foot is on the gas. Every time you brake, you have taken your foot off the gas but the HHO is still being delivered to the engine. So its a bit like regenerative breaking as we know that when your coasting or breaking the engine load is minimal (idle) but still makes the same amount of HHO litres per minute. The fuel cell kit is basic and a pulse width modulation circuit would be more effective. Anyway, it's all good fun and it does prove that 'off the shelf' kits rarely work straight out of the box. An emissions test would have been some evidence of a change as the lower the emissions, the less unburnt fuel is coming out of the exhaust. Diesel is more responsive to HHO than petrol. Good job
@@revmpandora The funny part is the completely different attitude they have Project Farm: This channel is brought to you by like viewers like you AvE: FACK YOU CORPO SCHILLS!
I remember before everyone had the availability of the internet at anytime, a lot of people automatically believed anything they heard on TV or in magazines. Thanks to your channel and a few others we now see the real results of these products.
Made my own hho unit years ago. Did get noticeable improvements in mileage. Difference…I installed a simple potentiometer on the dash wired into my map sensor. I was telling the computer that there was less air flow than was actually present, thereby causing the engine to call for less fuel. I adjusted based on need and could turn it way down on the interstate allowing for incredible fuel savings.
Note that what's happening is that you're lowering the fuel mixture hence lowering the horsepower of the engine and creating better fuel efficiency out of it. Another way to do the same would be to take two cylinders out of combustion or have a smaller engine running. An engine with less horsepower is generally more fuel efficient as you give up on acceleration, while a 5 liter mustang has less MPG for the opposite reason. You actually don't need to install an HHO to achieve similar results.
you could do the same thing without the HHO, your engine was just running with less horsepower and therefore you saved gas. bravo, you made your car weaker which saved gas. wow.
Would love to see electric pressure washers put to the test! This is the only channel that I will give a like before the intro is even over. Awesome work 👏
Dude - I'm really impressed. I've seen enough of your videos to know that you're plenty smart enough to know that you're testing a scam but you went ahead and gave it a more than fair test with no opinion at all even though I'm sure you had one. An excellent review. Good job!
@@josephlunderville3195 but that’s not how economics work.. they have designed smaller more environmentally friendly cars for a reason right?? Think about it! the older bigger engines, believe it or not, tuned right, will haul your family and luggage or your tools for work, farther, more reliably, and cheaper then any 3.5 v6 or smaller or 4 cylinder.. and turbo don’t get me started.. with a bigger motor you will stop for gas less because your vehicle won’t be fighting its own weight plus your load!! next question.. what are the most explosive elements known to man?
@@josephlunderville3195 here’s a hint, it’s not gasoline or even a petroleum product! Whatever you decide it to be, answer me this?? why don’t engines run on that??
Great video and effort on testing the HHO generator! However, it looks like there might have been a crucial component missing in your setup - a fuel regulator. The main idea behind HHO systems is to supplement the traditional fuel, allowing your engine to operate on the lowest possible amount of it. A fuel regulator can help control the flow and ensure that the engine uses minimal gasoline or diesel, while benefiting from the higher octane level provided by the hydrogen. This adjustment could significantly improve your system's efficiency. Would love to see how this change impacts your results in future tests!
You don't need that if your engine has ECU, ECU will command injector for fuel trim more if oxygen sensor at the exhausted sense rich because hydrogen and oxygen introduce by hho, that's how the fuel saving will do the trick if hho system is actually work
Likely K&N, but that's because it offers almost no restriction on air flow due to extremely poor filtration. Great for the 1/4 mile drag ...but slowly killing your daily driver by always letting dust and debris into your engine.
Love the video Im a big fan. The biggest variable here is the fuel injected controller that is adding the fuel. The controller cannot see that there is another fuel (hydrogen) being added to the combustion chamber so it keeps running it's normal fuel trim. This means that selling these kits to people is just useless because they are not actually leaning out the gasoline mixture to make room for the HHO to work. If you tune the fuel injector controller (pcm) you can get some small gains in the V8 with the HHO. If you tune the generator or switch to a carb and lean out the gasoline and add HHO, you can get very good gains and maybe almost run 100% on HHO.
It wouldn't make sense to me to run 100% on HHO, being that it takes more energy to make the gas than you get in return. This means that you'd have to have some supplement of power. This could be from having to replace/recharge the car's battery, or by using gasoline/diesel. I could see running 50% as a maybe possibility just from a GUESS, but I don't have much of a clue honestly. I'd love to see some proper testing and evidence in these regards.
As a mechanical engineer, I can tell you this whole thing is a scam!! The amount of energy that your engine must generate in electricity, in order to create hydrogen gas, is FAR MORE than you could possibly get from the hydrogen gas being burned. The creation of hydrogen via electrolysis is the LEAST efficient way of creating hydrogen - this is a known fact. Also, people seem to think that you can just inject hydrogen gas, into a GASOLINE engine and somehow that it is going to burn more efficiently?? That is just snake oil. In fact, you would get better results, by injecting actual "snake oil" into your engine!! It is pretty simple idea - Gasoline engines are designed to burn gasoline!! Not gasoline and hydrogen! Now, if you wanted to build an internal combustion engine that burns hydrogen gas, that can be done done, but it will be completely different than a gasoline engine. Thinking that you can just add hydrogen, or diesel, or kerosene, or whale oil to a gasoline engine and that it will improve your mpg, is just plain silly. That is not how engines work.
I'm a young mechanic and I have to say I'm extremely thankful to see you test some of these things. I learn a lot which I then apply to my work. Keep it up man
You're one of the few youtubers i really appreciate. No bs, straight to the chase, superb content. I feel warm and fuzzy on this side of youtube bc it reminds me of how youtube felt a long time ago! Thanks for being so unbiased and transparent as to throughly showcase exactly how you evaluate these gizmos, so that if in doubt we can go ahead and test for ourselves. You seem like the kinda fella I'd chug a cold one with. Rock on!
Soon as people started being able to monitize their videos allot of people began to get greedy and push out crap content in order to make a quick few quid. Then since sponsorships came around RUclips took a rapid decline into the ground. It's so hard to find dedicated content creators that stick to their ground, don't get sold to companies and don't give into easy money at the sacrifice of their fan base. Im just glad that some channels don't do that and this is definitely 1 of them. The content has stayed great for years.
I've seen homemade versions of these in videos claiming great results and have considered making one more than a few times. Guess I'll save myself the trouble... Great info as always. Thanks!
Deliberately blowing $200 when you KNOW ahead of time that it's a "perpetual-motion machine" is going above and beyond the call of duty for a content-creator. (After that crap is torn back off, he should see if it blends, and then whether or not it'll stop a fifty-cal.)
@@geth__commands_6300 Everything is relevant to weight? Gravity is not, all objects fall at the same rate in a vacuum. Time, when traveling near the speed of light is relevant for the occupant. If hydrogen is utilised you know it is used to generate electricity to operate the motors because the is not any air for the engine use, don't you. Even diesel engine submarines use batteries to run under water. Without batteries, all submarines would be useless underwater. In your insult to the OP, what does "you must be the old and new generation well done" mean? Perhaps because they are not in the correct generation, the one in the middle of generations. I wouldn't know how that could be insulting. Also now that you are aware of everything in your statement is incorrect, false or misleading, does that mean you resend your insult?
Snake oil or improperly installed? To see any improvement on a fuel injected car the oxygen sensors need wrapped with aluminum foil. this will cause the car to lean out it’s fuel to air mixture. The hydrogen hose needs put into the vacuum system generally the brake booster line with a three-way connector. A resistor spliced into the wires to the map sensor to tricks the vehicle into believing that there is no Vacuum leak. That idle air control valve will do its job and bring the vehicle back down to a Smooth idol.
Ah, good old Brown's gas. I still remember installing a system in my truck around '05. Gas was about $4/gal and there was an e-book circulating called: "Run your car on water." It described a method of making HHO cells in mason jars, using stainless steel wires. I mounted a few in front of my radiator and also wired a switch inside the cabin. You also needed a potentiometer to dial the signal from the airflow sensor in the air intake. This was to trick the computer into mixing in less gas, the theory being that the HHO would replace the gas. Bottom line is my mpg went from 22-23 to 23-24, roughly a 1 mpg or
What about using the waste heat from the exhaust to generate HHO. More than 50% of an engine's power is wasted as heat, there should be some waste heat recovery technology by now.
@@at-yj8pl possible, but there's better ways. Electricity is needed to generate HHO, and if you're generating electricity anyways it probably more efficient to just power an electric motor EDIT- my girlfriend's dad is an engineer designing waste heat recovery systems for factories and the like. He says with something as geometrically complex and with so many attached parts as an engine, there is next to no space for any waste heat recovery from the block. Best spots to try and recover are the heat of the coolant and heat of the exhaust, both of which are inconvenient but could generate some power. However, peltier thermoelectric devices are only 8-10% efficient and need a hot side which is easy but also a cold side. The best way to recover heat is to have hot side coolant flowing through the block and exhaust system and the cold side coolant flowing through a radiator and a heat exchanger on the cold side. This could generate some power but is mechanically complex as it requires two closed loop coolant systems. It is unlikely generate enough to break even on fuel consumption, given the extra weight.
@rethink you are tripping, you need to “rethink”! It’s not just hydrogen gas that’s being generated, oxygen is being generated too. The gas that enters the engine is a hydrogen oxygen mixture which is already at the perfect air fuel ratio for hydrogen, so it’s not running rich. Plus car has oxygen sensor which would change injection pulse width, no need to mess with the computer, it changes automatically.
This! Thank you for being the voice of reason, people always seem to buy into claims of "free energy" bs whenever gas prices go up. Water is incredible stable, which is why it takes a ton of heat to vaporize it, and a ton of energy to electrolyze it. The second law of thermodynamics tells us this CANNOT work, more energy is used to create the hydrogen than the hydrogen is supplying. Free energy is a myth, a scam, and criminal if uneducated people are paying money to buy something like this.
Did you notice any difference in fuel economy on the suburban? Just curious cause the generator is carbureted and the suburban is fuel injected so maybe the suburban ECU will see if it running lean or rich and maybe adjust fuel. And I love your videos straight to the point!
@@ProjectFarm Instead creating the HHO/electricity from the alternator/engine. Add a separate rechargeable battery bank that could be recharged by a solar system or wall outlet. When the vehicle is running use the battery bank to make HHO and see if there is an improvement.
@Charles McKinley i didn't do well in school, can u tell me why this had no chance of doing anything good pls? :> *edit: i read some more comments and maybe sorta kinda get it lol basic energy cost vs. what it produces? breakin apart water costs energy, and the hydrogen doesn't have the potential to make more energy than it cost to produce in the first place?
@@outseeker There is that, of course. This gizmo must actually be a net energy drain...using the alternator to produce zero benefit totals up to a net negative. If you're going to get any usable power out of hydrogen, you've got to keep it separate from the oxygen until it's in the combustion cylinder. This kit spits the two gasses out through the same tube, into a common tank. By the time they get to the engine, they're already recombined. The bubbles you see are certainly just water vapor that has not condensed yet. And it's such a tiny, tiny amount of that, that even if adding water vapor to an engine's intake WAS beneficial, there's no way any performance differences could be measured without extended run time in a very expensive laboratory environment.
I rewatched the Step Bit video because the DeWalt isn’t stocked at my local home improvement stores. The Lowe’s guy I talked too didn’t know the application of a step bit but he watched you too! Even if it’s not something I’d ever need. I just love watching your energy and enthusiasm. You’re doing the work consumer reports claims they do.
I'd assume that generator has an O2 sensor in the exhaust (I think I remember seeing one in the past). The "benefits" would be even less on something with a carburetor. I think any benefits that may exist depends on 2 things, 1- closed loop fuel injection (needs an O2 sensor in the exhaust), and 2- being able to lean out the FI fuel tables more to inject less fuel (supposedly, a mix with hydrogen can safely run leaner).
@@AnalyticalReckoner Agreed. T.I. is more about innovation, and this channel is more about testing marketing claims, but both are among the few channels that refuse to sell out.
I've run HHO systems before with mixed results. I was able to achieve a 20% millage improvement for highway driving only in a 96' 2.2L Subaru. The problem comes down to the EFI system which compensates the amount of fuel injected based off of the increase of O2 picked up by the 02 sensor, with the HHO, as well as the trouble of this effect with the variation of air/fuel mix to constant HHO output, produced by the fuel cell, unless you invest in specialized electronics which match the HHO production to air/fuel mix. For this reason in my experience with vehicles that work with HHO will only see gains after resetting the computer and maintaining a semi consistent air/fuel mix to HHO such as highway driving, once the vehicle is allowed to idle for extended periods the 02 sensor picks up the additional oxygen and registers a lean burn condition injecting more gas to make up for it and this is stored in the trim tab memory banks where by gains quickly disappear. Different vehicle manufacturers also apparently have different fuel management programs as well, I have tried two high quality installations on Ford with no effect unfortunately. There are two work arounds for this which are costly and complicate the installation. One is a smart PWM that controls the amount of HHO the cell produces to match the air/fuel ration but to function it must be spliced into the wiring harness of many of the engine sensors. The other are hydrogen separator cells which separate the hydrogen and oxygen releasing the oxygen and only adding the hydrogen to the combustion. In any case the computers trim tab memory should be cleared prior to running the system. IMHO the generator did not see fuel efficiency improvements because it is an EFI generator and was reading the added O2 as a lean condition which it compensated for by increasing the fuel injection beyond the actual amount needed for combustion. I would like to do another HHO installation on another vehicle and perhaps will post a video of it. Check my channel if your interested and perhaps you will find it a few months from now. Great video btw, with this information perhaps you could have seen different results.
nice! I have to chime in though I designed a cell several years ago, (actually 4 cells ganged together). I installed it on my 97 dodge ram. I swear, I went from 200 miles to the tank to 400. The draw back was my cells would wear out within the month. My cells were unique. Some say they looked like strands of dna
so standalone system and problem solved or a remapping and its potential is greater than the cost in the end lol .... thanks for this tho bro as i am a knowledge freak and love learning stuff like this .. peace and love brotha keep it rad stay safe and build on ... l8z
I achieve a 15 -20% millage improvement in my 2005 Chrysler Pacifica, hho generator was runing on 30Amps, I don't remember the number but the gas (HHO) output was quite high
This wouldn't cause any violation of thermodynamics. Cars are WELL below the Carnot efficiency, the max effeciency a heat engine can reach at a given temperature, which is about 40-50% at car engine temperatures. Cars run at more like 20-30% efficiency, so it's plausible to get a bit more out of it, just not in this way.
@@TheShitSmith Your comment is way underrated. so many people think HHO generators are selling snake oil over Unity. Well most aren't anyways, but still, it's about improving efficency, not violating the laws of thermodynamics.
@@kreynolds1123 they absolutely violate the laws of thermodynamics. You're powering the HHO generator using the car's alternator. There's no way for you to get more power out of that than what was put in when you generated it, otherwise you could make a perpetual motion machine by running the engine on pure HHO
Among the utuber’s, you set the gold standard! Your un-biased testing gives me the confidence to make a purchase or not. It would be nice if you had a site that categorized the products tested & passed with flying colors. That would be my go-to consumer reports!
@@tom23rd More like HOH, chemically speaking. Hydrogen hydroxide. The difference is important. What we have here is H2 + O2. So might be more accurately called HHOO.
We all need to appreciate what this man went through to get these results while all of our Ass are on the couch enjoying and learning what to buy and what not. """"""" Thank You SIR Project Farm """""""
I remember we tried a much more home made version of this back in auto tech class at my highschool, we also did not notice any kind of an improvement with our test vehicle. We did enjoy filling balloons with hydrogen gas and attaching firework fuse to them and watching them explode, so I'd say this product has some entertainment potential, if nothing else.
I’m 76. Can’t remember how many ‘new inventions’ were advertised in my life time to improve your car’s performance. None of them worked. They were usually seen in Popular Mechanics, Mechanics Illustrated and Popular Science. Small ads in the back of the magazine.
a lot of inventions did help make combustion engines more Efficient. Injection, turbochargers,... The thing with those inventions is that they became mainstream pretty fast.
Makes one wonder if it isnt a coincidence that we have scientists and engineers optimizing motors worldwide and no car is using one of those kits. One would nearly go so far and say those guys know what they are doing :o
I can really appreciate Project Farm's dedication toward controlled testing, going the extra step by not allowing companies to muddy the waters by sending him free products.
@@ProjectFarm Thanks for what?Your test was a failure,you didn't even hook it up properly.Why didn't you hook up the generator to the alternator,the result would have much better for the hydrogen mileage but no you hooked it up to the battery,how much did big oil pay you to dupe the test.Well it don't matter anyway because the hho system did quite well in it's own right Considering the differences in the price of water and the price of gas.
I dont quite see the reasoning, if a company sends in a product for review then an honest unbiased review they would get. Now a company sending in a product to be "promoted" would be entirely different and would be basically equivalent to getting paid to say good things about their product.
@@BlackHeartScyther He might still review the product honestly, but many people would accuse him of going easy on a company for supplying free products. The comment before yours accuses him of being a Big Oil shill for the simple crime of not concluding that HHO shows benefits.
@@bugsbunny3488 The only thing he did wrong was not tune the fuel injectors so the whole test is pretty much invalid. He has to test it w/ a carb generator and adjust the mixture it to really see if it will work or not. he did have power supply to the generator so it not like he was pulling power from another source.
I really appreciate how you tested the H2O idea. Practically every engine Enthusiast that I know has wondered about this... and several really wanted that 35% to be true. Thank you so much for another excellent video that answers a significant question about the myth.
The whole point is that none of these wacky aftermarket fuel maximisers will ever work - if they did manufacturers would be fitting them in all vehicles. If I could invent something that improved fuel efficiency, I'd patent it worldwide then license it to Ford, Toyota, GM etc If it didn't work, I'd make a bogus video then try to sell it to gullible car owners! Thanks for this video perfectly proving once again that "if it looks too good to be true, it is too good to be true"
@@arqoo1907 the fuel efficiency of vehicles COULD BE much better than it currently IS... but advancements in fuel efficiency ARE heavily suppressed !!!
@@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341 Suppressed how exactly? Oil dependency is a national security risk. If you can make a car, truck, bike produce the same power for less fuel easily as a car company why would you not do that? You would capture market share quickly.
HHO is implosive. Gas, explosive. The timing of the s.p needs to be 180 out of phase. You also can't run two of the same time and expect results. I'm not propagating any sort of alternative energy thing here, but volume wise, a litre of hho gas, when triggered to return back to water(vapour), would take up less volume. Thus implosive.
You're an amazing creator sir. The lengths you go to, time you spend, and money spent is amazing to see. I love how thorough you are as well as honest. Please never stop sir!
@@wiredforstereo Yeah, it should seem pretty simple "you can't get more energy out of a system than goes into it." This thing uses energy from the engine to do what it does, so how would it improve engine efficiency when *at best* it could only break even?!
@@Thomamps I have one of those spark amplifier thingies! I got it at a trade show back in the 90s along with my sample of Dura-Lube after watching an engine run without an oil pan. 😉
Do you really think that a Chinese scam company a) has a legal department; and b) gives a fuck if someone debunks their bullshit? There are enough gullible idiots out there so that they don't have to worry about this debunking. And if you really want to step into the cesspool of Legalese: They're claiming "UP TO 35 %" and 0 % is well within "up to 35 %" so they're safe.
Some say big name manufactures consult him first before making a product and that he once taught a giraffe to curtsy. All we know is, he's Project Farm.
I love this "goofy" content mixed in with your more serious projects from time to time. Helps keep it fun for me. Breaking down excruciating details on some products is wonderfully helpful. But having some old fashioned fun is good too. Thank you.
Problem is AF mixture is set from the mas and the o2, these systems worked on old Beetles because we would manually adjust the carb to lean out the AF, simple procedure HHO off set carb lean till it sputters, turn on HHO to remove sputter, gently rich the mix until it runs smoothly and you get your MPG increase. Yes oil Temps were checked as was timing to prevent detonation issues. Modern engines see a cleaner burn as leaning out, so the ECU enriches the mix to offset and you get poor MPGs. These systems work better on Diesel as its a static rate of diesel going in versus a variable rate like modern gas engines. Good test but it was missing this variable.
Hence if hho system is actually work, oxygen sensor will sense rich and ECU will trimmed out fuel supply, reducing opening time of injector, then fuel saving will be happened
A better way of saving fuel is to fit small wheels at the front and big wheels at the back, then you are always driving downhill except for steep mountain roads.
Another classic. I work as a nuclear engineer and we get quite a bit of good idea fairies. I always recommend these channels to save some dough and show them the light.
Great video. The fuel injection systems monitor the fuel exhaust via oxygen sensor. The hho will burn the fuel hotter, burning more fuel at combustion. As a result, the fuel oxygen percentage at the sensor will decrease and EFI will add more fuel to compensate reducing fuel efficiency. The only way an hho system can improve efficiency on an EFI engine would also require a modification to the oxygen sensor or EFI oxygen sensor settings. Hho will only work easily with engines with a carbonator. Cheers 🥂
I really appreciate how you do all your videos! Also, the fact that you state just about every little important detail is nice. You don't drag on videos and get straight to the point with this is good/bad or did well/ not so well reviews. One main thing that I really like is how you don't take freebe's or company stuff. As always, I thank you sir for your time and monitory investment in what you do! Always a thumbs up from me!
As a physicist, I can tell you exactly why this didn’t work: energy conservation. If you generated the HHO with external power, you probably would get that increase in efficiency, at least with sufficient flow rate. But you’re using energy to generate the HHO, and the absolute best you can hope for is to get that same energy back, which you won’t because every step of conversion incurs losses.
Ok so if we run the hydrogen generator on an extra battery which isn't connected to the regular motors battery we should have a different result?. Why not just running the motor on hydrogen alone?
Thats not exactly true,,you forget the calorific value of the gas generated,,but you will still need petrol to make this system work,,the biggest flaw is the O2 sensors and electric fuel in jection,control by a set value in design,,why you need to trick O2 Sensors,,other wise more fuel will adde to bring mixture back to design set,, HHO
you are 100 percent wrong to assume that........ what you said is like saying you won`t get much bang out of an atom bomb because the effort to light it will be greater than the explosion............ um
@@ProjectFarm yeah it is not an excellent test at all honestly it's just an experience showing that's all you need to do this with a carburetor or you need to adjust the amount of fuel going to the generator... Because it is set up to run at a set standard and will not increase fuel efficiency at all if you do not do this... The generator was designed to work with the fuel system that it has was not designed for this add-on. This is a botched test at best!
@@ProjectFarm do I agree with the systems that they work absolutely not but you're testing methods are absolutely flawed and you're spreading propaganda because of this...
When I was studying this sort of rabidly (lol) several years ago , the last time gasoline got around $4 per gallon I definitely determined that for HHO to produce a fuel economy benefit it is absolutely mandatory to set the engine leaner. I read a scientific paper or two or three(?) on this and the hydrogen boosting has the ability to speed up the flamefront in the engine cylinder allowing a leaner burn and also you can adjust the ignition timing so that there is peak brake mean effective pressure at a more opportune time relative to the position of the crankshaft. Like everything the devil's in the details. Going leaner on the carburetor is mandatory. PS - I hope you aren't sick of the accolades but I think your efforts are absolutely amazing!
The losses in generating hydrogen from water through electrolysis outweighs any benefit you can possibly tweak. Now! If you use a chemical reaction to create the hydrogen, that's an entirely different story.
@@jimmio3727 Onboard hydrogen generation produces higher mpg ONLY if you also can lean the A/F ratio substantially and retard the ignition timing (can't do it without the boost H2). I wish I could find that scientific paper I had on my old deceased computer. I know of people who have proven it themselves.
Bearing in mind that the pure oxygen will make the gas burn faster and hotter, while the Hydrogen will burn fast and the combustion products (water) will actually cool the cylinders down a little bit.
A lot of the comments video read in other videos where there was Not" a cpu used to flash the O2 sensors which comes with some not all of these kits is what makes the difference in MPG savings. According to experts the hho generator sends more gas and the cars cpu interprets that are more oxygen and in turn the engine sends more fuel defeating the purpose of using an hho generator so I'm doing research on generators in the market that include a cpu that can be flashed from the diagnostics plug under the dash and see which one is the best and offers a money back guarantee. I've read it's better to use these type of generators in engines that use a carburetor and do not require the use of a cpu because everything is based on vacuum. Great video like the thumbnail 👌 😅
Totally. In this day and age if something like this worked all of the major auto manufactures would jump all over it. Oh by the way, I have some ocean front property in Nebraska. Cheap!
Try using a separate rechargeable battery bank for the electricity to make the HHO gas. Using electricity to make HHO to run a engine is less efficient than just the electricity for an electric car but would be easier & cheaper to make a HHO/gasoline hybrid than trying to build a gas/electric hybrid. Take a small 4 cylinder pickup truck, add a battery bank and some solar panels to the truck roof & bed cover. Use the solar panels to recharge the battery bank that makes the HHO. Probably still more trouble than worth but would improve MPGs depending on how much HHO is added.
Similarly related, I hope he tests Water - Methanol Injection. It's reported all over that it works, but you _do_ need to advance the engine timing. It works because it lowers the temperature in the combustion chamber _and_ acts to increase downward pressure in the combustion chamber, while allowing you to increase the engine timing. As a bonus, it keeps pistons clean.
Duct tape (not duck tape) would be the best affordable solution for the average person to patch holes in duct work. Duct tape is a thin metal tape with a mastic sealant on one side that was designed specifically to PERMANENTLY cover the joints in air duct work. Duck tape is a sticky waterproof fabric tape that was designed to seal the lids of ammo boxes headed to the front line during the war (WW2) to prevent water from getting into the ammo box and ruining the ammunition and to be easily and quickly removed or cut through when soldiers needed the ammunition inside. In other words, duck tape's design was to do the job for a limited amount of time; hours, maybe days, or a few weeks at best.
There's a half dozen different ways that would be fine, but the lazy way is just put a rubber stopper plug in it. Most aesthetically pleasing would be get same type of plastic, put a temporary aluminum foil (HVAC duct tape) patch on the back of the hole, melt the plastic in a metal can and pour into the void leaving a little excess on top overflowing the lip of the hole.
@@stinkycheese804 Unless you know someone who has or are willing to go to the expense of buying your own plastic welder. But then you would only be able to use it for welding plastics where duct tape could be used on anything that needs to be sealed so air does not leak in or out.
@@oldtimefarmboy617 no duck tape is a brand of duct tape. Duct tape is duct tape. Foil tape is the tape you are talking about that has a metal foil. Both duct tape and foil tape are used in duct work.
There seems to be a part missing from the setup - the EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer) device. This adjusts the voltage from the oxygen sensor which detects the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. When HHO is added to the fuel-air intake, the burn is more complete without the need for more air intake. This leaves more oxygen in the exhaust. The oxygen sensor emits a lower voltage (below 0.45 volts) which incorrectly tells the ECU (engine control unit) that the fuel mixture is too lean because of the excess oxygen. The ECU then injects more fuel in an attempt to bring the air/fuel ratio back to 14.7/1. Without an EFIE to adjust the voltage (upwards) from the oxygen sensor to the ECU, more fuel would actually be injected and used. The carbon deposits look the same because the burn would be the same and not more efficient despite the addition of HHO to assist it. Frankly, I appreciate the many tests done by Project Farm (e.g. the rechargeable batteries test). I just wanted to point this out, hoping, perhaps, a second test can be done with the addition of the EFIE device. Older carburetor engines don't require the EFIE as air/fuel mixture is adjusted manually. Years back, I installed an earlier HHO kit that included an EFIE in my 98 Corolla and the increase in power and torque was dramatic. I didn't use it long enough to check fuel economy. It's a long story but It didn't damage the engine and the Corolla is still running smoothly.
I recently did a tune on my S-10 with "lean cruise" and so far it seems I only gained about 2MPG. But honestly, keeping up with maintenance IMO is the best way to MAINTAIN good fuel economy. I had a customer a few weeks ago with a wee little 4 cylinder car with almost 300,000km on it complaining about excess fuel consumption. Apparently had regular oil changes since new and a recent new air filter but come to find out IT NEVER HAD SPARK PLUGS REPLACED! Well, that customer called me 'god' for 'restoring' fuel economy and even 'adding' power to their car. Well, no. it's just maintenance lol. Also, Project Farm, koodos for going thru that much effort just to show people how this works and if it does work! you have a level of commitment to be desired.
When is the last time you could actually 'tune up' a vehicle? 1985? After that they all 'tune' themselves thru the onboard computer controls. that said I had to laugh at myself when you said they never changed the plugs... I have a 2000 Intrepid I purchased new that has NEVER had the plugs changed either with 217,000 miles! lol I keep thinking I should pull one just to see if they still have electrodes! LOL
@@tubedude54 When I said I did a tune on my S-10 I meant with HP-tuners. I programed lean cruise in the computer. Your intrepid should be surprising to alot of people but doesn't surprise me. Theoretically it shouldn't be running.
@@michelleberry-1314 Oh NO!! I better not say out loud when I am driving it that it shouldn't be running! lol To be fair I did have all the regular maintenance done to it till it hit 75K miles and the warranty expired. It never said in the schedule to change the plugs in the first 75K so as far as I know it never happened. Only thing I think about now and then is the timing belt... it was supposed to be changed at 75K if I recall... never was.
I have tested this but used pulsed dc current as the power source for the fuel cell. I was going to school at a technical institute at the time and had the vehicle on a dynometer . Using a five gas analyzer my vehicle tested teh cleanest of all vehicles tested in our lab. The amount of co2 comming out told us it was a near complete burn. I would love to see you test the cell with different power supplies. GREAT VIDEO in testing it as "advertised" and keep up the good work.
That thumbnail is a work of art! Hahah!
lol. I was hoping to get some comments on the thumbnail. I think it's hilarious! Just trying to have some fun with the thumbnails and put a smile on a lot of faces!!
@@ProjectFarm it works 🤣🤣🤣😂😂
I agree thumbnail is spot-on funny
@@ProjectFarm keep it up, it's great.
@@ProjectFarm It worked for me man, thanks 😃
I always love when a company makes a claim and Todd gets that liitle smirk and says, 'we're gonna test that!'
Thank you! My goal is to give every product a fair test. Unfortunately, too many products don't quite live up to their claims! Hoping these videos will save people time and money, when also providing an enjoyable video. Thanks again!!
lol, I always envision the CEO and everyone at the start sweating when PF tests a product.
Did you guys notice his t-shirt?
@@ProjectFarm Snake oil seldom lives up their claims.. :P
Company: "35% increase in horsepower and mileage."
Todd: "Hold my gas can."
Can we all just take a moment and appreciate the time and effort this man and his team puts into these extensive tests. And this one in particular I'd say. Lots of hours in the making..
Thanks so much!
Oh absolutely! I love this channel. I never see short cuts and everything is carefully thought out. I actually have a HHO generator. I want it to work but after this video..... Think I'll just give it away.
@@ProjectFarm no….thank you !
I mean, that’s why we are all here. If he didn’t put effort and time into testing we wouldn’t bother watching
@@chubbyzombie666 ill take it!
That video was literally worth $200.00. Thanks to you Todd, that money is still in my pocket.
Dido! To bad!
You are welcome! Glad to hear!
When you said it was worth $200, he was hoping you literally meant that and give him the $200! ;-)
@Charles McKinley apparently hho has a higher expansion rate, it does burn more in the cylinder then just gas.
But you have to reprogram the ECU/chip and do all kinds of stuff that makes it not really worth it..
The engine starts sensing more oxygen and then starts dumping in more fuel because it thinks its running lean, so generally you're not going to get better results without heavy modification..
Also optimal voltage is 2.2v so ideally you want 6 cells separated in the car, you charge at 12 volt but tap off the batteries in parallel so you only get 2.2v to the cell..
@ProjectFarm thank you. I can't afford to put 200 bucks into something that is a gimmick
This reminds me of when I was 16 and bought my first car in the 60's. I bought every gimmick known to man from the JC Whitney catalog. Each installation would boost HP by 15-10%. By all accounts I should have had a 500 HP 283 Chevy, but alas nothing ever changed. I can still hear my dad LHAO. It seems that the products now days are higher tech labelled, but work about as well as I remember. Thanks for doing this, it brought back some great memories. 🤭
You are welcome!
I remember those 1000 watt 6 x 9 speakers, oil-foul-resistant spark plugs, and an in-dash AM/FM/TV Cassette player. They also had a lot of big bore kits for VW Beetles and stuff like that.
Oh man. Those were fading out when I was a kid in the 80’s. So, I moved on to the P.A.W. Catalog. Chock full of everything from the latest in Wolverine blue racer cams to the complete, “assemble it yourself” all aluminum BBC. (Boomer bbc, not zoomer bbc)
I remember all the gimmicks in the J. C. Whitney catalog,never Bought them though.
@@ProjectFarm What was the mpg before and after on the vehicle?
I just love his straight to the point with no 10min background story before he starts. Thank you
Priceless! Other channels that love to hear themselves talk are as annoying as a child's argument after being told "NO!" --- three times.., already!
And no loud annoying free RUclips music!
All so true… one of the reasons I love this guy, he understands we’re here for the info, and he always delivers it superbly.
A small 30 second explanation of what HHO does, and why the company claims it increases gas mileage by 30 percent.
Before watching: It seems like one of those too good to be true things.
After watching: it is too good to be true.
Thank you!
He use a generator for saving gas mileage. That was wrong you need to install in a car that can lean out the gas to save on mileage. You can’t get mpg out of something that don’t move .this tiny little system definitely isn’t big enough to show anything. So yeah he’s right it’s to good to be true because the set up is wrong . Someone figured they know in theory this works put on a different scale so they figurethey could find a handful of Desperate people to buy the product
After watching: shiiieeeeeeet
@@NoBs48 You believe in a flat earth don't you?
@@NoBs48 mileage is a way to measure fuel consumption. The generator runs at a almost constant rpm and if you add the exact same amount of fuel you can get a time that can be used to measure fuel consumption. Just because it didn't measure mileage doesn't mean the test is wrong. It is just a different way to measure fuel consumption.
one of the best you tubers to date, no bs, straight up content, science, and no money farming from companies. MAD respect
Thanks so much!
@@ProjectFarm i did the double treatment to my motorcycle and as soon as i poured it in it atleast felt like the engine started to run smoother (could be psychological effect). But your tests and stuff could actually check if their claims are even clos to the truth.
hes been working it. Check out his videos from the past.
SCIENCE? Really?
Did PF Test the generator to see if higher Octane Fuels were an advantage? They are only advantageous if the engine is designed, engineered, and properly tuned for High Octane Fuels. So the same theory must apply to the addition of H2 gas. Did PF test to see if doubling the available Oxygen would improve efficiency of the Generator? Well no, because the ECU assumes that only 20% oxygen is available at 68F at Sea Level.
No my friend. Whilst PF's videos are entertaining, they are very very far from being anything that could be considered SCIENTIFIC. Wayyyy too many assumptions being made and implied in all of his 'experiments'. But very entertaining.
Love the videos. No nasty nasty cheap gimmicks or graphics. Just straight honest to the point results with some fun and enjoyment added.
I appreciate your hard work. I trust no words on a box unless you’ve tested it
Thanks!
This is actually the best informative video I've seen. You're wasting NO time at all explaining the stuff your talking about, and you're not leaving out any important details. Great work man, you've earned yourself a subscription.
Thanks! Thanks for watching and subscribing!
@@ProjectFarm Dude, try this if you able and still have setup.
Run your car on gas. Measure gas consumption.
Now make hydrogen outside of engine.
Now keep reducing the fuel mix so you running leaner. Keep running lean until engine stops. Now add hydrogen. Keep adding fuel + air making it richer. Now how much less fuel are you using?
This will tell you if you have more efficient combustion because you added hydrogen to the mix. Then it's question of power to produce hydrogen vs savings in less gas consumed.
There could be economic advantages. Gas at $5/gal, it still might be cheaper to cook hydrogen at home and run it with your vehicle.
@@joeboxter3635 How will you store enough hydrogen to give your vehicle decent range (like 400 miles or so)?
@@Cougracer67 Oh, I don't mean this to drive. I mean to determine if adding hydrogen+ air to allows a much leaner fuel mixture to produce same power out.
If it can then that would be some evidence that hydrogen can act as a catalyst to increase gas efficiency. At least it's a start towards proving this out.
If I understand what he did, he tried original fuel air mixture + hydrogen -- not lean mix.
Search on this for a paper published in the Alexandria Engineering Journal (full pdf available free):
Effect of hydroxy (HHO) gas addition on gasoline engine performance and emissions
Mohamed M.EL-KassabyYehia A.EldrainyMohamed E.KhidrKareem I.Khidr
Mechanical Engineering Department, Faculty of Engineering, Alexandria University, Egypt
Received 8 June 2015, Revised 14 October 2015, Accepted 28 October 2015, Available online 21 November 2015, Version of Record 8 March 2016.
Abstract
The objective of this work was to construct a simple innovative HHO generation system and evaluate the effect of hydroxyl gas HHO addition, as an engine performance improver, into gasoline fuel on engine performance and emissions. HHO cell was designed, fabricated and optimized for maximum HHO gas productivity per input power. The optimized parameters were the number of neutral plates, distance between them and type and quantity of two catalysts of Potassium Hydroxide (KOH) and sodium hydroxide (NaOH). The performance of a Skoda Felicia 1.3 GLXi gasoline engine was evaluated with and without the optimized HHO cell. In addition, the CO, HC and NOx emissions were measured using TECNO TEST exhaust gas analyzer TE488. The results showed that the HHO gas maximum productivity of the cell was 18 L/h when using 2 neutrals plates with 1 mm distance and 6 g/L of KOH. The results also showed 10% increment in the gasoline engine thermal efficiency, 34% reduction in fuel consumption, 18% reduction in CO, 14% reduction in HC and 15% reduction in NOx.
I love the symbolism behind giving the closing responses in front of an empty table.
I unconsciously noticed that, but not enough to think about it. Awesome way to end it!
Definitely!
it's not empty it's covered with all the hydrogen created.
@@Dherkin_McGhurken - How do you know it was Hydrogen? That's just an assumption. Was the gas tested to see if Hydrogen was being produced, or were the bubbles just Steam from boiling water with a DC heater? What about the Oxygen being produced, is it visible?
@@delawarecop you seem like fun at parties
I have been binge watching you for 3 days, and I am extremely impressed with your engineering skills, dedication, and attention to detail in your videos. To me, your reviews are as good as Consumer Reports reviews in the old days. I am really glad I found you.
Thanks!
I’d say better than consumer reports. He’s got nothing to gain.
Consumer reports in the old days? What sis they do to them current days?
No. He is FAR better than consumer reports
There are some issues you weren't aware of.
The electrolyte works optimally at 165F.
Ideally you want 'ported' vacuum to draw in the brown's gas. Drilled hole in the intake is not ported vacuum. Most cars no longer have ported vacuum. If you have a PVC valve and connect to that, the benefits are reversed (you want more of the gas when you accelerate not less and PVC vacuum is reverse of that).
You want no more than 20 amp load. About 10amp is optimal so as not to place drag on the alternator.
You want a brown's gas output of 1 liter per minute per liter of engine size.
Additionally there are other things to trick the engine into utilizing the brown's gas effectively (deals with the upstream O2 sensor and IAT).
Just slapping one on can improve things a bit up to about 20% increase in MPG without other modifications.
I got double on the wife's car, but for a day. Her 4 cyl ran like a 6 cyl as far as power and acceleration went.
Seems the computer didn't like the car getting that great of MPG and brought the mapping back into what the manufacturer's specs were.
I even installed 3 lights too.
Green meaning it is on and working.
Yellow meant it was low on water.
Red means pull yer arse over and see what the problem is (usually blown fuse or loose wire or something but could be worse). Car would work with any of the lights on.
Had to keep resetting the computer every time I used the system. Finally removed it due to the hassle.
The hydrogen in that will slowly remove built up carbon.
When there is no free carbon available (takes a LONG time) it will pull carbon out of any steel parts (this is called Hydrogen embrittlement).
Those plates are made from stainless steel.
Best plates are made from Platinum.
Plate spacing is roughly 1.1mm for great results.
One hot plate and at least 5 or more neutral plates before the negative plate.
Some use electronics to pulse the DC current to to cell around 44kHz.
The water you must use has to be store bought distilled water.
Other water has contaminants in it that reduce efficiency, eat plates, draw too much current, create too much heat, and create sludge in the system.
Never use salt in a system like that. It creates Hydrogen chloride gas which can be explosive in sunlight.
With the dry cell, you don't have to worry about hitting bumps and drawing the electrolyte into the engine like you do with a wet cell.
Remember, there is no free ride with anything. It takes more energy to break the water molecules than you get out of it.
But the advantage is more efficient combustion and resulting more power and better MPG if you keep your foot out of it.
Just a few tidbits for everyone.
Author - redo the test but drive the car for 1 hour SANELY in warm weather so the system gets to operating temperature. Then test it again.
We saw you run that stop sign! lol
Did u run it on a early 2000’s car or like a newer model year car?
@@ddddmmmm9026 2004 chevy.
If you use non ported vacuum, your benefit is at idle as you have max vac applied.
Once you apply the throttle, vacuum drops and the cell reduces output. That is backwards from what you want to do.
I did try it on an old Jeep 6cyl too.
It had a bad miss in it even though all the parts were working fine.
Hooked up an external cell to the vacuum and direct from the battery.
Within 15 minutes, the miss was gone and the engine ran smooth as glass.
Once I disconnected the cell, within another 15 min it was back to having a miss in it.
I used stainless steel plates and Potassium Hydroxide with distilled water.
Plates were 1MM separated.
It was a container not the wet cell some use.
Plates size was roughly 3" x 5".
Used 7 plates, 5 were neutrals in between the electrode plates.
Edges sealed with Marine silicone.
Amps were between 13 and 20 depending on the temperature.
Any more that that it created drag on your alternator and much of the water would evaporate off without converting due to high heat.
Had to be very careful as the solution became a toxic waste due to chromium released from the stainless steel.
Gloves are highly recommended and so is eye/face protection.
Bad thing about stainless steel is that it is a resistor. Platinum electrodes are the best but who can afford them??
I found I only needed 3-4 volts to effectively run my system, I used a voltage reducer to heat the water around the pvc capsule containing my plates. Had it explode a few times under the hood bc of the faulty voltage reducer getting too hot exposing hydrogen under the hood next to my headers. 😅 I was only 17.... live and learn. You need a stand alone computer and a hell of a programmer friend to get these to work on anything newer than the late 80s.
@@kjruff7786 Actually there are two key components to fiddle with -
The O2 sensor output and the IAT sensor.
You can buy a module to tap into the O2 sensor(s) (I think it is called a PWM) to trick the computer.
For the IAT, simply remove it from the air intake and let it sit under the hot hood.
Deviating too much out of the fuel map will set a code and you lose your benefits.
Not sure you you could fracture the molecule bonds of water with that low of a voltage.
The typical sweet spot for voltage is around 28-30 VDC.
The o2 sensor extensions actually don't normally work as most cars have 2-4 o2 sensors now and they work with about 4+ other sensors. Tricking them only messes with other sensors and the computer compensates by pushing in more fuel
I give props to you for somehow managing to maintain composure throughout this video.
This man has wasted countless hours for our enjoyment. I will watch every single video. Always amazing.
Thanks!
I wouldn't call it wasting time, the results are useful
I reject your position that Todd is "wasting" time. The dude is helping millions of people, I would call that time well spent, for a noble cause.
Besides, he makes money doing it. Hardly wasted time.
@@billc7211 I mean this in a good way, chill.
One of the last few gems of quality content on RUclips nowadays
Thank you!
My friends and I used to make these in college, we had a Civic that we actually got up to 60 mph with. Everything was stock, except for the homemade HHO generator, BUT we did have to tune the ECU. We did learn that it makes a bigger difference with gasoline engines versus diesel engines. But we did get my 2004 diesel excursion up to 24 MPG. I swear by HHO, but you definitely have to tune the ecu to inject less fuel because the air is richer.
Thanks for sharing.
how you tune eco to to inject less fuel
Why didn't you take these supposed findings to a scientific paper. I always see these claims but none of them are ever backed up.
That would make sense.
@@derfvcderfvc8714 because that was over 15 years ago before it became a big thing lol
This channel has quickly turned into one of my favorites, great content no BS and great editing
Thanks!
He is so entertaining as well. I don't know if he is an unhinged serial killer or just a happy dude
We're gonna test that!
@@Shred72
Serial lawn mower killer!
He drilled holes in his air boxes to test this for us, that's dedication!
My thought exactly.
He could have gained more HP just my testing with the hole in the air box. That's a fancy high airflow intake now. Just don't drive on dusty roads.
Duct tape will fix it, he even knows what brand works best
Next video: we're gonna see what epoxy works best for filling holes you drilled into plastic!!
Thanks for watching!
This man is amazing. He cut a hole in his air intake for his vehicle, and generator, Much love to you Project Farm!!
He will slap some tape over the hole. He knows which one is best because he has already tested that out!
@@Jacob-hn1sc nah JB Weld that hole up
What would of Mr. Beast have done.
@@sunnydays4966 Be gay.
Once again, “free” energy is anything but
This was a good experiment but there is a difference to running a generator under continuous load to driving and it is simply this: HHO is delivered to the engine regardless of whether your foot is on the gas. Every time you brake, you have taken your foot off the gas but the HHO is still being delivered to the engine. So its a bit like regenerative breaking as we know that when your coasting or breaking the engine load is minimal (idle) but still makes the same amount of HHO litres per minute. The fuel cell kit is basic and a pulse width modulation circuit would be more effective. Anyway, it's all good fun and it does prove that 'off the shelf' kits rarely work straight out of the box. An emissions test would have been some evidence of a change as the lower the emissions, the less unburnt fuel is coming out of the exhaust. Diesel is more responsive to HHO than petrol. Good job
The only youtuber that hasn't sold his soul to marketing. edit: Thanks Patrick
Thanks!
Him and AvE.
I came here to say AvE. Glad to see someone beat me to it
@@revmpandora The funny part is the completely different attitude they have
Project Farm: This channel is brought to you by like viewers like you
AvE: FACK YOU CORPO SCHILLS!
@@RangerOfTheOrder well i love this kind of channels, you trust them way more because what you see is not sponsored but really tested
Like everyone else here, I'm stunned with how much work and effort went into this experiment.
Thank you.
You are welcome!
And without a Kaboom!
I remember before everyone had the availability of the internet at anytime, a lot of people automatically believed anything they heard on TV or in magazines. Thanks to your channel and a few others we now see the real results of these products.
The modern-day version of gullible is watching CNN.
AsSeenOnTV has left the chat.
Zip ties this magnet to your fuel line for great fuel savings!
@@KarateSensei71 or Fox or any corporate media.
Yeah, although the HHO craze really took off on the internet back in the mid 2000's, so I'm not sure what that says :)
Made my own hho unit years ago. Did get noticeable improvements in mileage. Difference…I installed a simple potentiometer on the dash wired into my map sensor. I was telling the computer that there was less air flow than was actually present, thereby causing the engine to call for less fuel. I adjusted based on need and could turn it way down on the interstate allowing for incredible fuel savings.
I appreciate your input. Makes sense.
Note that what's happening is that you're lowering the fuel mixture hence lowering the horsepower of the engine and creating better fuel efficiency out of it. Another way to do the same would be to take two cylinders out of combustion or have a smaller engine running. An engine with less horsepower is generally more fuel efficient as you give up on acceleration, while a 5 liter mustang has less MPG for the opposite reason. You actually don't need to install an HHO to achieve similar results.
you could do the same thing without the HHO, your engine was just running with less horsepower and therefore you saved gas. bravo, you made your car weaker which saved gas. wow.
@@lanzer22 i tend to agree with what you said.
@@systemG3000 And the engine would have been running VERY lean
Would love to see electric pressure washers put to the test! This is the only channel that I will give a like before the intro is even over. Awesome work 👏
Obsessed garage did a huge comparison of about 50 units I believe
Great suggestion! Thank you.
Electric pressure washers work great. Like why waste gas on washing something 😅
@@2strokepower803 gas equipment is best, its fun to fill,fix,and the noise
IChurusLikeLOL there is more fun things to fill up and hear the exhaust on. Like a car or motorcycle :)
Dude - I'm really impressed. I've seen enough of your videos to know that you're plenty smart enough to know that you're testing a scam but you went ahead and gave it a more than fair test with no opinion at all even though I'm sure you had one. An excellent review. Good job!
Thanks!
Why do you think hho is a scam?
To start with, if it worked, the system would be built into at least some cars. 35% fuel savings would be a KILLER selling point.
@@josephlunderville3195 but that’s not how economics work..
they have designed smaller more environmentally friendly cars for a reason right??
Think about it!
the older bigger engines, believe it or not, tuned right,
will haul your family and luggage or your tools for work, farther, more reliably, and cheaper then any 3.5 v6 or smaller or 4 cylinder.. and turbo don’t get me started.. with a bigger motor you will stop for gas less because your vehicle won’t be fighting its own weight plus your load!!
next question..
what are the most explosive elements known to man?
@@josephlunderville3195 here’s a hint, it’s not gasoline or even a petroleum product! Whatever you decide it to be, answer me this??
why don’t engines run on that??
The level of tact in this video cannot be overstated.
You can cut it with a sharp knife.
If you haven't already, check out the LockPickingLawyer channel ;-}
Great video and effort on testing the HHO generator! However, it looks like there might have been a crucial component missing in your setup - a fuel regulator. The main idea behind HHO systems is to supplement the traditional fuel, allowing your engine to operate on the lowest possible amount of it. A fuel regulator can help control the flow and ensure that the engine uses minimal gasoline or diesel, while benefiting from the higher octane level provided by the hydrogen. This adjustment could significantly improve your system's efficiency. Would love to see how this change impacts your results in future tests!
You don't need that if your engine has ECU, ECU will command injector for fuel trim more if oxygen sensor at the exhausted sense rich because hydrogen and oxygen introduce by hho, that's how the fuel saving will do the trick if hho system is actually work
Since you drilled that hole in your air intake, I can’t help but suspect a “Which aftermarket cold air intake is best” video in the works lol
He already knows which duct tape work best. Air intake IS technically a duct so using it wouldn't even be Jerry rigging it
Likely K&N, but that's because it offers almost no restriction on air flow due to extremely poor filtration. Great for the 1/4 mile drag ...but slowly killing your daily driver by always letting dust and debris into your engine.
@@SomeGuy-vo7we actually K&N isn’t the best. Black bear performance did some dyno testing on the popular intakes with GM vehicles.
He already did that and most of those cold air filters are garbage at filtering.
Most of the time the stock airbox is best.
"Hey Wilma, who's that nut that's been drag racing past our property a dozen times in a row?"
Wilma: That's that lawnmower guy testing snake oil.
lol Thanks for watching!
At least it's not midnight in the Farmabego like last time..lol
i rly like the way u put this cheese :)
Hi there that's too funny 😂
Great job as usual. You are the new Myth Buster. I didn't even know these existed. I will keep it that way now. Thanks!
Thanks!
I think they tested these on Mythbuster with the same results
Love the video Im a big fan. The biggest variable here is the fuel injected controller that is adding the fuel. The controller cannot see that there is another fuel (hydrogen) being added to the combustion chamber so it keeps running it's normal fuel trim.
This means that selling these kits to people is just useless because they are not actually leaning out the gasoline mixture to make room for the HHO to work. If you tune the fuel injector controller (pcm) you can get some small gains in the V8 with the HHO. If you tune the generator or switch to a carb and lean out the gasoline and add HHO, you can get very good gains and maybe almost run 100% on HHO.
Thanks!
correct you are
It wouldn't make sense to me to run 100% on HHO, being that it takes more energy to make the gas than you get in return. This means that you'd have to have some supplement of power. This could be from having to replace/recharge the car's battery, or by using gasoline/diesel. I could see running 50% as a maybe possibility just from a GUESS, but I don't have much of a clue honestly. I'd love to see some proper testing and evidence in these regards.
@@hsheheishje9649 sola power
As a mechanical engineer, I can tell you this whole thing is a scam!! The amount of energy that your engine must generate in electricity, in order to create hydrogen gas, is FAR MORE than you could possibly get from the hydrogen gas being burned. The creation of hydrogen via electrolysis is the LEAST efficient way of creating hydrogen - this is a known fact.
Also, people seem to think that you can just inject hydrogen gas, into a GASOLINE engine and somehow that it is going to burn more efficiently?? That is just snake oil. In fact, you would get better results, by injecting actual "snake oil" into your engine!!
It is pretty simple idea - Gasoline engines are designed to burn gasoline!! Not gasoline and hydrogen! Now, if you wanted to build an internal combustion engine that burns hydrogen gas, that can be done done, but it will be completely different than a gasoline engine.
Thinking that you can just add hydrogen, or diesel, or kerosene, or whale oil to a gasoline engine and that it will improve your mpg, is just plain silly. That is not how engines work.
I'm a young mechanic and I have to say I'm extremely thankful to see you test some of these things. I learn a lot which I then apply to my work. Keep it up man
Thank you very much!
And THANK YOU for being an honest mechanic! 🔧👍
You're one of the few youtubers i really appreciate. No bs, straight to the chase, superb content. I feel warm and fuzzy on this side of youtube bc it reminds me of how youtube felt a long time ago! Thanks for being so unbiased and transparent as to throughly showcase exactly how you evaluate these gizmos, so that if in doubt we can go ahead and test for ourselves. You seem like the kinda fella I'd chug a cold one with. Rock on!
100% mate. A few cold ones In my Opinion! GG
Soon as people started being able to monitize their videos allot of people began to get greedy and push out crap content in order to make a quick few quid. Then since sponsorships came around RUclips took a rapid decline into the ground. It's so hard to find dedicated content creators that stick to their ground, don't get sold to companies and don't give into easy money at the sacrifice of their fan base.
Im just glad that some channels don't do that and this is definitely 1 of them. The content has stayed great for years.
Just wanted to thank you again for doing the HVAC filter video, I upgraded to a merv 14 filter and I swear I haven't sneezed at home since
You are welcome!
I've seen homemade versions of these in videos claiming great results and have considered making one more than a few times. Guess I'll save myself the trouble... Great info as always. Thanks!
Thanks and you are welcome!
Snake oil. Unfortunately a lot of people still fall for this :(
Always explain to them, if it made enough gas to help anything, the motor would have to run harder to power the generator, and it never works xc
Deliberately blowing $200 when you KNOW ahead of time that it's a "perpetual-motion machine" is going above and beyond the call of duty for a content-creator. (After that crap is torn back off, he should see if it blends, and then whether or not it'll stop a fifty-cal.)
@@geth__commands_6300 Everything is relevant to weight? Gravity is not, all objects fall at the same rate in a vacuum. Time, when traveling near the speed of light is relevant for the occupant.
If hydrogen is utilised you know it is used to generate electricity to operate the motors because the is not any air for the engine use, don't you. Even diesel engine submarines use batteries to run under water. Without batteries, all submarines would be useless underwater.
In your insult to the OP, what does "you must be the old and new generation well done" mean? Perhaps because they are not in the correct generation, the one in the middle of generations. I wouldn't know how that could be insulting. Also now that you are aware of everything in your statement is incorrect, false or misleading, does that mean you resend your insult?
This SNAKE OIL should be taken off the shelf and the owner held liable !!!!
Snake oil or improperly installed?
To see any improvement on a fuel injected car the oxygen sensors need wrapped with aluminum foil.
this will cause the car to lean out it’s fuel to air mixture.
The hydrogen hose needs put into the vacuum system generally the brake booster line with a three-way connector.
A resistor spliced into the wires to the map sensor to tricks the vehicle into believing that there is no Vacuum leak. That idle air control valve will do its job and bring the vehicle back down to a Smooth idol.
This is the only channel where I finish the whole video before heading to the comments.
Thanks!
Same here!
this and naked yoga! gotta watch em all!
This is one of the few channels I give thumbs up even if I can't finish the video.
this is the only channel I watch the whole video after reading the comments
Ah, good old Brown's gas. I still remember installing a system in my truck around '05. Gas was about $4/gal and there was an e-book circulating called: "Run your car on water." It described a method of making HHO cells in mason jars, using stainless steel wires. I mounted a few in front of my radiator and also wired a switch inside the cabin. You also needed a potentiometer to dial the signal from the airflow sensor in the air intake. This was to trick the computer into mixing in less gas, the theory being that the HHO would replace the gas. Bottom line is my mpg went from 22-23 to 23-24, roughly a 1 mpg or
Thanks for sharing.
What about using the waste heat from the exhaust to generate HHO. More than 50% of an engine's power is wasted as heat, there should be some waste heat recovery technology by now.
@@at-yj8pl possible, but there's better ways. Electricity is needed to generate HHO, and if you're generating electricity anyways it probably more efficient to just power an electric motor
EDIT- my girlfriend's dad is an engineer designing waste heat recovery systems for factories and the like. He says with something as geometrically complex and with so many attached parts as an engine, there is next to no space for any waste heat recovery from the block. Best spots to try and recover are the heat of the coolant and heat of the exhaust, both of which are inconvenient but could generate some power. However, peltier thermoelectric devices are only 8-10% efficient and need a hot side which is easy but also a cold side. The best way to recover heat is to have hot side coolant flowing through the block and exhaust system and the cold side coolant flowing through a radiator and a heat exchanger on the cold side. This could generate some power but is mechanically complex as it requires two closed loop coolant systems. It is unlikely generate enough to break even on fuel consumption, given the extra weight.
@rethink you are tripping, you need to “rethink”! It’s not just hydrogen gas that’s being generated, oxygen is being generated too. The gas that enters the engine is a hydrogen oxygen mixture which is already at the perfect air fuel ratio for hydrogen, so it’s not running rich. Plus car has oxygen sensor which would change injection pulse width, no need to mess with the computer, it changes automatically.
This! Thank you for being the voice of reason, people always seem to buy into claims of "free energy" bs whenever gas prices go up. Water is incredible stable, which is why it takes a ton of heat to vaporize it, and a ton of energy to electrolyze it. The second law of thermodynamics tells us this CANNOT work, more energy is used to create the hydrogen than the hydrogen is supplying. Free energy is a myth, a scam, and criminal if uneducated people are paying money to buy something like this.
Did you notice any difference in fuel economy on the suburban? Just curious cause the generator is carbureted and the suburban is fuel injected so maybe the suburban ECU will see if it running lean or rich and maybe adjust fuel. And I love your videos straight to the point!
Generator is fuel injected also...
3:05 "I'll go ahead and remove the plastic shavings from the intake so we don't try running the engine on plastic as well." EPIC!
PF next video "can we run a truck on just plastic shavings"
Thanks for watching!
@@ProjectFarm Instead creating the HHO/electricity from the alternator/engine. Add a separate rechargeable battery bank that could be recharged by a solar system or wall outlet. When the vehicle is running use the battery bank to make HHO and see if there is an improvement.
With the results of the HHO, the plastic probably would have improved it a lot better!
@@michaelbrinks8089 Well, it's what he do with the genenrator. I mean, take electric source for the HHO from other source and we see the result.
I knew what the results would be, but I still watched and appreciate the work. Thanks Todd!
You are welcome! Thanks for watching!
I was hoping it didn't work.
@Charles McKinley Settle down there, Sparky. It was a turn of phrase.
@Charles McKinley i didn't do well in school, can u tell me why this had no chance of doing anything good pls? :>
*edit: i read some more comments and maybe sorta kinda get it lol basic energy cost vs. what it produces? breakin apart water costs energy, and the hydrogen doesn't have the potential to make more energy than it cost to produce in the first place?
@@outseeker There is that, of course. This gizmo must actually be a net energy drain...using the alternator to produce zero benefit totals up to a net negative.
If you're going to get any usable power out of hydrogen, you've got to keep it separate from the oxygen until it's in the combustion cylinder. This kit spits the two gasses out through the same tube, into a common tank. By the time they get to the engine, they're already recombined. The bubbles you see are certainly just water vapor that has not condensed yet. And it's such a tiny, tiny amount of that, that even if adding water vapor to an engine's intake WAS beneficial, there's no way any performance differences could be measured without extended run time in a very expensive laboratory environment.
I watch all the ads for ProjectFarm. One of the best RUclipsrs put there
Thank you very much!!
Yeah buddy! I want a collaboration with Project Farm and Smarter Every Day! Dustin and Todd would be a hoot to watch!
I rewatched the Step Bit video because the DeWalt isn’t stocked at my local home improvement stores. The Lowe’s guy I talked too didn’t know the application of a step bit but he watched you too! Even if it’s not something I’d ever need. I just love watching your energy and enthusiasm. You’re doing the work consumer reports claims they do.
I'd assume that generator has an O2 sensor in the exhaust (I think I remember seeing one in the past). The "benefits" would be even less on something with a carburetor. I think any benefits that may exist depends on 2 things, 1- closed loop fuel injection (needs an O2 sensor in the exhaust), and 2- being able to lean out the FI fuel tables more to inject less fuel (supposedly, a mix with hydrogen can safely run leaner).
Thanks for watching!
You’re the man for making all of these non-sponsored videos for us to see how products really perform! Keep up the good work boss 👍
Thank you, will do!
You're pretty much one of the only home scientists that won't sell out, and is impartial to the results. Cheers and thank you for all your work
Tech Ingredients is pretty good too.
@@AnalyticalReckoner Agreed. T.I. is more about innovation, and this channel is more about testing marketing claims, but both are among the few channels that refuse to sell out.
AvE. Though, his equipment testing days are slowing up
I've run HHO systems before with mixed results. I was able to achieve a 20% millage improvement for highway driving only in a 96' 2.2L Subaru. The problem comes down to the EFI system which compensates the amount of fuel injected based off of the increase of O2 picked up by the 02 sensor, with the HHO, as well as the trouble of this effect with the variation of air/fuel mix to constant HHO output, produced by the fuel cell, unless you invest in specialized electronics which match the HHO production to air/fuel mix. For this reason in my experience with vehicles that work with HHO will only see gains after resetting the computer and maintaining a semi consistent air/fuel mix to HHO such as highway driving, once the vehicle is allowed to idle for extended periods the 02 sensor picks up the additional oxygen and registers a lean burn condition injecting more gas to make up for it and this is stored in the trim tab memory banks where by gains quickly disappear. Different vehicle manufacturers also apparently have different fuel management programs as well, I have tried two high quality installations on Ford with no effect unfortunately. There are two work arounds for this which are costly and complicate the installation. One is a smart PWM that controls the amount of HHO the cell produces to match the air/fuel ration but to function it must be spliced into the wiring harness of many of the engine sensors. The other are hydrogen separator cells which separate the hydrogen and oxygen releasing the oxygen and only adding the hydrogen to the combustion. In any case the computers trim tab memory should be cleared prior to running the system. IMHO the generator did not see fuel efficiency improvements because it is an EFI generator and was reading the added O2 as a lean condition which it compensated for by increasing the fuel injection beyond the actual amount needed for combustion. I would like to do another HHO installation on another vehicle and perhaps will post a video of it. Check my channel if your interested and perhaps you will find it a few months from now. Great video btw, with this information perhaps you could have seen different results.
Thank you for your work on this and detailed explanation of what you did, and your findings.
nice! I have to chime in though I designed a cell several years ago, (actually 4 cells ganged together). I installed it on my 97 dodge ram. I swear, I went from 200 miles to the tank to 400. The draw back was my cells would wear out within the month. My cells were unique. Some say they looked like strands of dna
so standalone system and problem solved or a remapping and its potential is greater than the cost in the end lol .... thanks for this tho bro as i am a knowledge freak and love learning stuff like this .. peace and love brotha keep it rad stay safe and build on ... l8z
I achieve a 15 -20% millage improvement in my 2005 Chrysler Pacifica, hho generator was runing on 30Amps, I don't remember the number but the gas (HHO) output was quite high
Great job 👏🏻
It may not have cleaned the plugs, but it sure did clean out your wallet.
I think it's more about buildup over time not being as significant
@@THESLlCK Since it's using more fuel that would be impossible.
Yeah hydroxy gas ain't for liquid engines
using a 10dollar 2 stroke oil mixed with the fuel would have done wonders for the engines than using a 200dollar hho device...😁😁😁
Good Point!
Project Farm: "We obey the laws of thermodynamics in this house, mister!"
This wouldn't cause any violation of thermodynamics. Cars are WELL below the Carnot efficiency, the max effeciency a heat engine can reach at a given temperature, which is about 40-50% at car engine temperatures. Cars run at more like 20-30% efficiency, so it's plausible to get a bit more out of it, just not in this way.
Lol
@@TheShitSmith Your comment is way underrated. so many people think HHO generators are selling snake oil over Unity. Well most aren't anyways, but still, it's about improving efficency, not violating the laws of thermodynamics.
@@kreynolds1123 they absolutely violate the laws of thermodynamics. You're powering the HHO generator using the car's alternator. There's no way for you to get more power out of that than what was put in when you generated it, otherwise you could make a perpetual motion machine by running the engine on pure HHO
@@Zagill wait till you learn about turbochargers.
Among the utuber’s, you set the gold standard! Your un-biased testing gives me the confidence to make a purchase or not. It would be nice if you had a site that categorized the products tested & passed with flying colors. That would be my go-to consumer reports!
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
You are saving a lot of people money with these videos! Thanks for your hard work.
Thanks and you are welcome!
Speaking as a trained chemist, my brain hurts every time I hear "HHO" like it's some kind of mythic mantra. Well done on the debunking!
Thank you very much!
I was just about to comment about h2o literally is hho. ;)
@@tom23rd More like HOH, chemically speaking. Hydrogen hydroxide. The difference is important. What we have here is H2 + O2. So might be more accurately called HHOO.
@@wiredforstereo Add a little nitrogen and we get OHNO.
What are you talking about. HHO is awesome! I drink it all the time!
The depth that this guy goes to test products is unbelievable, and I fully respect it and appreciate it!
This is one of the few channels I give thumbs up even if I can't finish the video.
Thanks!
This is the way testing should be done. Thank you for this and all of the other great videos!
Thanks and you are welcome!
We all need to appreciate what this man went through to get these results while all of our Ass are on the couch enjoying and learning what to buy and what not.
""""""" Thank You SIR Project Farm """""""
Lol well said. He has over 2 million subscribers so I hope he's being compensated well for his efforts.
@@Joe-co4sq That's right.
I don't sit at my couch I sit at my kitchen table. I am now triggered therefore you are canceled.
I remember we tried a much more home made version of this back in auto tech class at my highschool, we also did not notice any kind of an improvement with our test vehicle. We did enjoy filling balloons with hydrogen gas and attaching firework fuse to them and watching them explode, so I'd say this product has some entertainment potential, if nothing else.
I appreciate you spending the time to make this video to show us all what you already knew at the start. Great video, brilliant work, keep it up
I’m 76. Can’t remember how many ‘new inventions’ were advertised in my life time to improve your car’s performance. None of them worked. They were usually seen
in Popular Mechanics, Mechanics Illustrated and Popular Science. Small ads in the back of the magazine.
Thanks for sharing.
a lot of inventions did help make combustion engines more
Efficient. Injection, turbochargers,... The thing with those inventions is that they became mainstream pretty fast.
Popular mechanics was awesome source of gimmick ideas, read it everyday in study hall in the 80s.
Magnets on fuel lines still being sold. I met the fraudster who is Rich from this nonsense.
Sad
Makes one wonder if it isnt a coincidence that we have scientists and engineers optimizing motors worldwide and no car is using one of those kits. One would nearly go so far and say those guys know what they are doing :o
I'm so fascinated how you still haven't lost that space pen throughout the years👌
Doesn't seem like the kind of guy who loses things.
@@wiredforstereo fax
He might just buy them by the gross.
I can really appreciate Project Farm's dedication toward controlled testing, going the extra step by not allowing companies to muddy the waters by sending him free products.
Thanks!
@@ProjectFarm Thanks for what?Your test was a failure,you didn't even hook it up properly.Why didn't you hook up the generator to the alternator,the result would have much better for the hydrogen mileage but no you hooked it up to the battery,how much did big oil pay you to dupe the test.Well it don't matter anyway because the hho system did quite well in it's own right
Considering the differences in the price of water and the price of gas.
I dont quite see the reasoning, if a company sends in a product for review then an honest unbiased review they would get. Now a company sending in a product to be "promoted" would be entirely different and would be basically equivalent to getting paid to say good things about their product.
@@BlackHeartScyther He might still review the product honestly, but many people would accuse him of going easy on a company for supplying free products. The comment before yours accuses him of being a Big Oil shill for the simple crime of not concluding that HHO shows benefits.
@@bugsbunny3488 The only thing he did wrong was not tune the fuel injectors so the whole test is pretty much invalid. He has to test it w/ a carb generator and adjust the mixture it to really see if it will work or not. he did have power supply to the generator so it not like he was pulling power from another source.
You're the one guy on here when I do see him I know that I'm going to get a good honest review thank you for that.
Thanks and you are welcome!
I really appreciate how you tested the H2O idea. Practically every engine Enthusiast that I know has wondered about this... and several really wanted that 35% to be true. Thank you so much for another excellent video that answers a significant question about the myth.
You are welcome!
The whole point is that none of these wacky aftermarket fuel maximisers will ever work - if they did manufacturers would be fitting them in all vehicles. If I could invent something that improved fuel efficiency, I'd patent it worldwide then license it to Ford, Toyota, GM etc
If it didn't work, I'd make a bogus video then try to sell it to gullible car owners!
Thanks for this video perfectly proving once again that "if it looks too good to be true, it is too good to be true"
@@arqoo1907 the fuel efficiency of vehicles COULD BE much better than it currently IS... but advancements in fuel efficiency ARE heavily suppressed !!!
@@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341 Suppressed how exactly? Oil dependency is a national security risk. If you can make a car, truck, bike produce the same power for less fuel easily as a car company why would you not do that? You would capture market share quickly.
HHO is implosive. Gas, explosive. The timing of the s.p needs to be 180 out of phase. You also can't run two of the same time and expect results.
I'm not propagating any sort of alternative energy thing here, but volume wise, a litre of hho gas, when triggered to return back to water(vapour), would take up less volume. Thus implosive.
Project Farm's thumbnail game has truly ascended to new heights
Lol, Thank you!
Been asking you to do this for years. Thank you so much for clearing a few things up for me.
Sorry it's taken me so long
Amazed how you keep your composure Todd. I would have ended the video by walkiung that thing over to a trash can and tossing it in.
Thanks!
You're an amazing creator sir. The lengths you go to, time you spend, and money spent is amazing to see. I love how thorough you are as well as honest. Please never stop sir!
Thanks so much!
I run a car restoration business and Project Farm is one of my inside go to on information like his. My hat is off for you Sir!
i remember a friend of mine around 2006 was trying to convince me that these kits would make our cars get better MPG. Snake oil never dies.
I remember these kits from 1986 and it came with a free spark amplifier that went on top of the coil.
Same. I explained the physics to him then too.
Snake oil is stronger than ever. Discouraging.
@@wiredforstereo Yeah, it should seem pretty simple "you can't get more energy out of a system than goes into it."
This thing uses energy from the engine to do what it does, so how would it improve engine efficiency when *at best* it could only break even?!
@@Thomamps I have one of those spark amplifier thingies! I got it at a trade show back in the 90s along with my sample of Dura-Lube after watching an engine run without an oil pan. 😉
The 300+ people that disliked the video bought this contraption.
Yeah, and they are pissed, that the true is out! Haha
There's a sucker born every minute...
@Geza......the 300 people bought it with their stimulus check 😏🙌🏽
Or might disliked for the fact of even making a video about this hogwash.
Plus 4 that disliked your comment☺️
I would imagine companies try to bribe this man all this time.
HHO Sales: "Hey, Project Farm just sent in an order!" HHO Legal: "Oh Crap. Busted!"
Do you really think that a Chinese scam company a) has a legal department; and b) gives a fuck if someone debunks their bullshit? There are enough gullible idiots out there so that they don't have to worry about this debunking. And if you really want to step into the cesspool of Legalese: They're claiming "UP TO 35 %" and 0 % is well within "up to 35 %" so they're safe.
Some say big name manufactures consult him first before making a product and that he once taught a giraffe to curtsy. All we know is, he's Project Farm.
hahahaha! love that!
Top Gear, huh?
I read that in Clarksons voice
Some say, he’s the Stig.
Just made me realize how much I miss the REAL Top Gear! 🥲
I love this "goofy" content mixed in with your more serious projects from time to time. Helps keep it fun for me. Breaking down excruciating details on some products is wonderfully helpful. But having some old fashioned fun is good too. Thank you.
Problem is AF mixture is set from the mas and the o2, these systems worked on old Beetles because we would manually adjust the carb to lean out the AF, simple procedure HHO off set carb lean till it sputters, turn on HHO to remove sputter, gently rich the mix until it runs smoothly and you get your MPG increase. Yes oil Temps were checked as was timing to prevent detonation issues.
Modern engines see a cleaner burn as leaning out, so the ECU enriches the mix to offset and you get poor MPGs.
These systems work better on Diesel as its a static rate of diesel going in versus a variable rate like modern gas engines.
Good test but it was missing this variable.
Hence if hho system is actually work, oxygen sensor will sense rich and ECU will trimmed out fuel supply, reducing opening time of injector, then fuel saving will be happened
I never met my dad, but if i had a dad i wish he was like you!
Thanks for the nice comment
A better way of saving fuel is to fit small wheels at the front and big wheels at the back, then you are always driving downhill except for steep mountain roads.
Hahahaha!
Awesome....I wonder how many people went and put some lift kit on the rear of their vehicle.
Bruh
@Aquatic Ape hilarious 😆
even - the small wheel inna front give you triple the speedo speed :)
Another classic. I work as a nuclear engineer and we get quite a bit of good idea fairies. I always recommend these channels to save some dough and show them the light.
Thank you very much!
Great video. The fuel injection systems monitor the fuel exhaust via oxygen sensor. The hho will burn the fuel hotter, burning more fuel at combustion. As a result, the fuel oxygen percentage at the sensor will decrease and EFI will add more fuel to compensate reducing fuel efficiency. The only way an hho system can improve efficiency on an EFI engine would also require a modification to the oxygen sensor or EFI oxygen sensor settings. Hho will only work easily with engines with a carbonator. Cheers 🥂
Ps... What volume of gas does that HHO generator produce? G/per minute? That unit looks very weak as compared to some manufacturers? No?
Thanks!
If you talk about setting the sensor, hence you must know lhv and gas flow rate of hho generator and reprogram the ecu
not as simple as your thoughts
@@ProjectFarmYou need to remap the ECU settings so that the fuel is not rich mixture and ECU needs to be tuned so less gasoline is consumed
I really appreciate how you do all your videos! Also, the fact that you state just about every little important detail is nice. You don't drag on videos and get straight to the point with this is good/bad or did well/ not so well reviews. One main thing that I really like is how you don't take freebe's or company stuff. As always, I thank you sir for your time and monitory investment in what you do! Always a thumbs up from me!
Thanks fso much!
As a physicist, I can tell you exactly why this didn’t work: energy conservation. If you generated the HHO with external power, you probably would get that increase in efficiency, at least with sufficient flow rate. But you’re using energy to generate the HHO, and the absolute best you can hope for is to get that same energy back, which you won’t because every step of conversion incurs losses.
Ok so if we run the hydrogen generator on an extra battery which isn't connected to the regular motors battery we should have a different result?.
Why not just running the motor on hydrogen alone?
Thats not exactly true,,you forget the calorific value of the gas generated,,but you will still need petrol to make this system work,,the biggest flaw is the O2 sensors and electric fuel in jection,control by a set value in design,,why you need to trick O2 Sensors,,other wise more fuel will adde to bring mixture back to design set,,
HHO
When you seek to convert
You only subvert!
if that were true then forced induction could never work
ur forgetting that it's not in a vacuum
the water and other chemicals are already there.
you are 100 percent wrong to assume that........ what you said is like saying you won`t get much bang out of an atom bomb because the effort to light it will be greater than the explosion............ um
You just saved a lot of people a lot of money! Love this channel.
One of the best channels on RUclips.
Thanks so much!
Excellent test.
Thank you!
Yeah I hope he has more debunking videos in the future!
@@ProjectFarm yeah it is not an excellent test at all honestly it's just an experience showing that's all you need to do this with a carburetor or you need to adjust the amount of fuel going to the generator... Because it is set up to run at a set standard and will not increase fuel efficiency at all if you do not do this... The generator was designed to work with the fuel system that it has was not designed for this add-on. This is a botched test at best!
@@ProjectFarm please leave the engineering to the engineers...
@@ProjectFarm do I agree with the systems that they work absolutely not but you're testing methods are absolutely flawed and you're spreading propaganda because of this...
When I was studying this sort of rabidly (lol) several years ago , the last time gasoline got around $4 per gallon I definitely determined that for HHO to produce a fuel economy benefit it is absolutely mandatory to set the engine leaner. I read a scientific paper or two or three(?) on this and the hydrogen boosting has the ability to speed up the flamefront in the engine cylinder allowing a leaner burn and also you can adjust the ignition timing so that there is peak brake mean effective pressure at a more opportune time relative to the position of the crankshaft. Like everything the devil's in the details. Going leaner on the carburetor is mandatory.
PS - I hope you aren't sick of the accolades but I think your efforts are absolutely amazing!
Thanks!
Amazing effort in making this video! Thank you!
The losses in generating hydrogen from water through electrolysis outweighs any benefit you can possibly tweak.
Now! If you use a chemical reaction to create the hydrogen, that's an entirely different story.
@@jimmio3727 Onboard hydrogen generation produces higher mpg ONLY if you also can lean the A/F ratio substantially and retard the ignition timing (can't do it without the boost H2). I wish I could find that scientific paper I had on my old deceased computer. I know of people who have proven it themselves.
Bearing in mind that the pure oxygen will make the gas burn faster and hotter, while the Hydrogen will burn fast and the combustion products (water) will actually cool the cylinders down a little bit.
I love the way you thoughtfully word things letting the results speak for themselves
well done!
best wishes and hope you are all well :)
Thank you! You too!
A lot of the comments video read in other videos where there was Not" a cpu used to flash the O2 sensors which comes with some not all of these kits is what makes the difference in MPG savings. According to experts the hho generator sends more gas and the cars cpu interprets that are more oxygen and in turn the engine sends more fuel defeating the purpose of using an hho generator so I'm doing research on generators in the market that include a cpu that can be flashed from the diagnostics plug under the dash and see which one is the best and offers a money back guarantee. I've read it's better to use these type of generators in engines that use a carburetor and do not require the use of a cpu because everything is based on vacuum. Great video like the thumbnail 👌 😅
PF constantly reinforces the old lesson your mom taught you.
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Totally. In this day and age if something like this worked all of the major auto manufactures would jump all over it. Oh by the way, I have some ocean front property in Nebraska. Cheap!
@@explorenaked I remember "Salton Sea Resort" ads from early 1960.
Try using a separate rechargeable battery bank for the electricity to make the HHO gas.
Using electricity to make HHO to run a engine is less efficient than just the electricity for an electric car but would be easier & cheaper to make a HHO/gasoline hybrid than trying to build a gas/electric hybrid.
Take a small 4 cylinder pickup truck, add a battery bank and some solar panels to the truck roof & bed cover. Use the solar panels to recharge the battery bank that makes the HHO.
Probably still more trouble than worth but would improve MPGs depending on how much HHO is added.
Similarly related, I hope he tests Water - Methanol Injection. It's reported all over that it works, but you _do_ need to advance the engine timing. It works because it lowers the temperature in the combustion chamber _and_ acts to increase downward pressure in the combustion chamber, while allowing you to increase the engine timing. As a bonus, it keeps pistons clean.
@@explorenaked Insured by Mutual of Omaha, no doubt.
Next we are going to be testing what product is best at patching those holes that you needed to drill!
Thanks for the suggestion.
Duct tape (not duck tape) would be the best affordable solution for the average person to patch holes in duct work.
Duct tape is a thin metal tape with a mastic sealant on one side that was designed specifically to PERMANENTLY cover the joints in air duct work.
Duck tape is a sticky waterproof fabric tape that was designed to seal the lids of ammo boxes headed to the front line during the war (WW2) to prevent water from getting into the ammo box and ruining the ammunition and to be easily and quickly removed or cut through when soldiers needed the ammunition inside. In other words, duck tape's design was to do the job for a limited amount of time; hours, maybe days, or a few weeks at best.
There's a half dozen different ways that would be fine, but the lazy way is just put a rubber stopper plug in it. Most aesthetically pleasing would be get same type of plastic, put a temporary aluminum foil (HVAC duct tape) patch on the back of the hole, melt the plastic in a metal can and pour into the void leaving a little excess on top overflowing the lip of the hole.
@@stinkycheese804
Unless you know someone who has or are willing to go to the expense of buying your own plastic welder. But then you would only be able to use it for welding plastics where duct tape could be used on anything that needs to be sealed so air does not leak in or out.
@@oldtimefarmboy617 no duck tape is a brand of duct tape. Duct tape is duct tape. Foil tape is the tape you are talking about that has a metal foil. Both duct tape and foil tape are used in duct work.
Love the channel, it's like a regular dude which takes the time for all of us lazy asses and do something useful! Amazing bro, keep it up!
There seems to be a part missing from the setup - the EFIE (Electronic Fuel Injection Enhancer) device. This adjusts the voltage from the oxygen sensor which detects the amount of oxygen in the exhaust. When HHO is added to the fuel-air intake, the burn is more complete without the need for more air intake. This leaves more oxygen in the exhaust.
The oxygen sensor emits a lower voltage (below 0.45 volts) which incorrectly tells the ECU (engine control unit) that the fuel mixture is too lean because of the excess oxygen. The ECU then injects more fuel in an attempt to bring the air/fuel ratio back to 14.7/1.
Without an EFIE to adjust the voltage (upwards) from the oxygen sensor to the ECU, more fuel would actually be injected and used.
The carbon deposits look the same because the burn would be the same and not more efficient despite the addition of HHO to assist it.
Frankly, I appreciate the many tests done by Project Farm (e.g. the rechargeable batteries test). I just wanted to point this out, hoping, perhaps, a second test can be done with the addition of the EFIE device. Older carburetor engines don't require the EFIE as air/fuel mixture is adjusted manually.
Years back, I installed an earlier HHO kit that included an EFIE in my 98 Corolla and the increase in power and torque was dramatic. I didn't use it long enough to check fuel economy. It's a long story but It didn't damage the engine and the Corolla is still running smoothly.
If you don't already have them, you need to make a t-shirt that says: Project Farm "We're gonna test that!" :D
You can view the new line of merchandise "We're gonna test that" at project-farm.com.
I will be in it for a Large and XL size... 😁
He’s wearing one in the video. I just ordered mine! First and only RUclips channel patronage! Keep up the great work.
He knew right off the bat that it was scam. He just wanted to show to others. :-)
LMFAO....Per the link He provided...he already had that shirt!! :D Awesome!!
I recently did a tune on my S-10 with "lean cruise" and so far it seems I only gained about 2MPG. But honestly, keeping up with maintenance IMO is the best way to MAINTAIN good fuel economy. I had a customer a few weeks ago with a wee little 4 cylinder car with almost 300,000km on it complaining about excess fuel consumption. Apparently had regular oil changes since new and a recent new air filter but come to find out IT NEVER HAD SPARK PLUGS REPLACED! Well, that customer called me 'god' for 'restoring' fuel economy and even 'adding' power to their car. Well, no. it's just maintenance lol.
Also, Project Farm, koodos for going thru that much effort just to show people how this works and if it does work! you have a level of commitment to be desired.
When is the last time you could actually 'tune up' a vehicle? 1985? After that they all 'tune' themselves thru the onboard computer controls. that said I had to laugh at myself when you said they never changed the plugs... I have a 2000 Intrepid I purchased new that has NEVER had the plugs changed either with 217,000 miles! lol I keep thinking I should pull one just to see if they still have electrodes! LOL
@@tubedude54 When I said I did a tune on my S-10 I meant with HP-tuners. I programed lean cruise in the computer. Your intrepid should be surprising to alot of people but doesn't surprise me. Theoretically it shouldn't be running.
@@michelleberry-1314 Oh NO!! I better not say out loud when I am driving it that it shouldn't be running! lol To be fair I did have all the regular maintenance done to it till it hit 75K miles and the warranty expired. It never said in the schedule to change the plugs in the first 75K so as far as I know it never happened. Only thing I think about now and then is the timing belt... it was supposed to be changed at 75K if I recall... never was.
Damn that's some god quality spark plug tho
@@feero9680 I'm tempted to pull one to look at it but afraid in might crumble when I try!
Great test! It’s a pricey kit so a big thanks for taking one for all of us and doing a proper test.
Thanks!
Companies that try to scam people fear this man...another great video..tks
Thanks and you are welcome!
That thumbnail belongs in a museum of modern art, sheesh is it amazing
"I'm going to install the HHO with zip ties cause as soon as this test is over I'm taking this crap off".
Doesn’t fix the hole in the intake! But I guess that’s duct tape.
They'll claim zip ties is the reason why he didn't see 35% increase in MPG.
@@JD-hy6yc epoxy from his "best epoxy for plastic" video tests
I have tested this but used pulsed dc current as the power source for the fuel cell. I was going to school at a technical institute at the time and had the vehicle on a dynometer . Using a five gas analyzer my vehicle tested teh cleanest of all vehicles tested in our lab. The amount of co2 comming out told us it was a near complete burn. I would love to see you test the cell with different power supplies. GREAT VIDEO in testing it as "advertised" and keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do! Thanks for the suggestion.
Our closest friend as usual! We are all grateful to have you proving stuff the right way and help us save our pockets by seeing the truth!
You are welcome!
I messed with these quite a bit in highschool and I never could get any positive results better than what I would consider a margin of error.
They seem best used for novelty use, like making highly flammable gas for 'bottle rockets' or filling bags to make a boom.
@@randomidiot8142 you can make boom without bag, put sudsy water into plastic cup and let hho makes bubles and then bring flame
because its fake.. hydrogen implodes.. which doesn't create any power at all..