DID WE JUST DEBUNK THIS GENERATOR...!?
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- We test a commercial hydrogen gas generator to determine if it can actually increase the performance of an internal combustion engine.
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But still worth buying just to make exploding bubbles.
That's a proper BigClive post!! I can hear you saying it in your distinct voice!
One moment please!
Used that today before making a sjematic for an electronic repair I had to do to an unknown smoll measuring device, kinda homemade.
Very simple schematic, took pictures as well to know where all the red and black wires went, in case one would break off...
Thanks for your very informative and humorous videos!
"one moment please"
- Breaks the unit down instead...
Hello Clive, good to see you kicking about.
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THIS is the good side of RUclips: practical demonstrations that are not thinly-veiled commercial ads. This informs, promotes, and teaches critical thinking--something the current education system (at all levels) is sorely lacking. BRAVO, Tech Ingredients!
Perfectly stated!
this test is somewhat non-effective, as he changed the fuel type. but did not retune the engine/carburetor to accomodate this new fuel type.
all this proved is that when an engine left as is, it will not gain a benefit from hho.
@@jimmyhackers8980 the difference would be negligible when you consider just how much of the engine output power goes into generating the hydrogen gas. it's a failed free energy machine.
@jimmy said the same thing in my comment. This test wasn't performed in the right way
@@jimmyhackers8980 how are you re-tuning the carbs as you are driving down the road?
It's effective enough for practical purposes.
This guy is a great teacher. This is exactly what RUclips is supposed to be about. I’d much rather see this type of content more and less vlogs of of so called content creators. Keep up the good work.
Great at teaching you how not to do the assignment 😂 Bro is on the same level as click bait RUclips creators with this video
I mean these videos have always been here 😅
50 years ago I did an undergrad in Biology with a minor in Chemistry, Math, and Physics. It took me on to a career in healthcare but my roots were always in natural science. I absolutely love what you do here. Really takes me back. I hope more people get to appreciate you.
wow , hey may i ask how old you are? im 56
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@@FUNKBOOGIE1 lyer
No thermic motor exist with water.
@@FUNKBOOGIE1 No thermic motor exist with water.
Me and my friend were obsessed with this when I was 19. I made one from scratch. We determined we couldn't possibly produce enough gas to make it work, and gave up. I'm glad to finally see this put to rest properly, because I've always been curious if it could possibly work in a best case scenario.
One my friend was working on engines' test benches, they mostly worked on a variable compression ratio engine prototype but they also accepted side projects.
One of these clients was the "inventor" of one of those generator, looking for a demonstration that his system worked (props to him for trying, most of those don't want to involve real science). They tried, with unbelievably favorable conditions, they never could detect the slightest efficiency increase, even trying on a very small monocylinder engine the system couldn't deliver enough hydrogen so it would have never worked on the bigger engines we have in our cars, and it might even have been with an external power supply instead of taking power from the crankshaft.
I think it was more than 10 years now. The inventor left really disappointed, I don't know if he kept selling these generators though.
what about if it was in a diesel van, where you have solar cells on the roof and extra battery capacity for storing all that... wouldn't that work for improving mpg?
@@aninfid the extra drag from the solar panels and wieght from the batteries etc would loose you mpg!
Would feeding hydrogen to an engine possibly damage the metal components?
@@aninfid at best, with 45% efficiency of electricity to HHO conversion, you'd get maybe 1/2 HP of "free" power, assuming you could fit four 250W solar panels on the roof of the van. I think it would be smarter to just feed to the electricity directly into the car's electrical system (somehow) to ease the burden on the alternator to produce electricity for the headlamps, ventilation, etc.
Been a mechanic since I was a sprat and over the years, countless people have asked me if HHO systems work, and I've always told them they are a load of horse exhaust. Without fail, none of them believed me and just insisted I wAtCh tHiS yOuTuBe vIDeO, sEe iT wOrKs! Thank you for taking the time and the effort to finally effing demonstrate that HHO is a fun gas to make BANG noises and nothing more. Now I've got a RUclips video to show THEM!
There is one advantage to the HHO scam
It makes it easy as pie to spot a dumb kid with a wrench claiming to be a mechanic. Just ask if HHO generators really work!
@@humanistwriting5477 the only time I saw a car on RUclips run on hydrogen was when a dude plumbed his car to a fishtank filled with muriatic acid and he dumped in a load of beer cans. It does work assuming you have an endless supply of beer cans and don't mind driving around with a tank of acid sloshing around and you have a carful of buddies shotgunning Busch Light as fast as possible...
All I know is that a very small leak in the connection between the HHO cell and the engine can be really bad if the gas find a place to collect.
The detonation of just a few liters HHO gas can make a big bang.
@@bknesheim Yeah and it'll make your driver's seat smell restroom fresh too!
Did anyone think to advance the timing closer to tdc?
Thank you for taking the time to set up and perform this demonstration! Awesome video!
Great video, great quality and explanation. You’ve got another subscriber! Very excited I’ve found another channel that will not disappoint. Love it!
"Oxygen, which is an excellent oxidiser." I love how you said that with a straight face. I know oxiidation and redox are often used in a wider context, but it still made me smile.
Surprisingly it’s only the second best oxidizer on the periodic tables
I had the same reaction.
@@samblackstone3400 The best one is Fluorine but it's really hard to work with!
@@ex1tium yeah that stuff eats through almost anything
@@samblackstone3400 isnt it? far behind the best? arent the halogens way better at it? (lets not get into ozone please lol)
After leaving the Navy, I worked for a while at NTS (or what is now N2S2). I worked with a triple PhD who had a knack for putting things in simple terms... This was an exercise in Thermodynamics. He would sum these efforts up in 3 easy steps.
1: You can never win, you can only break even.
2: You can only break even at absolute zero.
3: You can never get to absolute zero.
in theory, insects cant fly, please elaborate on that
@@rcajavus8141 What does that have to do with the previous post?
Also... of course insects can fly.
Sounds like attitude of a brilliant pessimist who lacks the creativity to invent or improve upon technology. The other side of that coin, while mostly true, is that there are staggering amounts of efficiency losses that can be reduced or eliminated. It’s not a question of defying thermodynamics, but creatively thinking about ways to recover energy that may be left on the table somewhere. Just my initial take . I’d be interested to see some more detailed and accurate testing on this.
@@AB-dm8nt You can invent and create all you want, the USPTO database is full of such inventions, but if they are going to work, they are bound by physics.
I don't understand the reference to perpetual motion machines here. If you put this on a car or even this video... You still have to replenish the salinated water. Given it was put on a vehicle why could it not simply reduce gas consumption?
I found this interesting! I wish I had your channel back when I was in high school, my teachers did not do me any service in their efforts to make learning fun and exciting, as you do in your videos. Years later now, in my 30's, I find myself wishing I had become interested in science so much sooner. Nuclear science in particular is just fascinating to me, but I am afraid that I just waited too long to find that fascination to be able to do anything with it. Keep up the amazing work, sir.
If you really are interested in science, then it's not too late.
That interest rarely begins because of school or a teacher. It's a mindset that starts with "why"?
The scientific method is:
Observation
Patern recognition
Theory
Test
Conclusions
Repeat without end...
Really brother why a nuke ,way to dangerous I've worked at a plant an the cancer an things it does to ur health Really not worth ur life facts ,but not too bad of a place to work I guess, it's alot safer now then back in the day ,I personally wouldn't want to stay out there forever, an id never work where they put the waste at ,I've heard horror stories cancer an I've seen it ,an I've seen where people have worked there an it not bother them so??? Me personally not worth my health at all no amount of money is worth it to me at all facts
Thank you a million!! You are an amazing human being!!
This guy and his public facing science lab stuff is just tremendous.
You wish your high school science teachers had a tenth of what this guy has going.
Many happy days to this man and his family and friends.
Too bad high school science teachers are often forced to A) teach for a stupid test, and B) have a class full of students at widely different skill levels. Not usually their fault
I had a high-school physics teacher who went the extra mile, just like this guy did.
But if your point is that there's not enough of that ... then I agree.
My high school science classes in New York were fantastic... I feel bad for others who didn't have the same opportunity.
Government subsidized schools are too busy teaching Ideologies to make time to teach science. Currently, a College History textbook has only 200 pages and it is all racism.
NO, you have not just debunked this generator! I am a big follower of your work and really appreciate your efforts!
You quote efficiencies but have NOT incorporated any into your Generator System. There has been many, many engineering minds that have that have looked at this problem. One of which was your own American Stanley Meyer who discovered the high mean resonant frequency for electrolysis and also a supper efficient injector system. You also must remember to set the timing correctly (TDC) as the HHO mixture implodes at ignition! With these improvements and say a second battery & larger alternator would totally transform your findings! The idea of using water as a fuel is so enticing I am surprised that you rebuke it so easily! Clean Energy, Low Cost, Readily Available should have driven you further in your research; as it is a very important subject to all of mankind! No wonder the oil giants are frightened! So please give this important subject more of your precious time and look at it with your wonderful analytic mind which you have shown in the past!
One of the very few channels that's worth subscribing to these days. Thank you for consistently putting out amazing, honest, and scientific content.
China and Russia is spamming the algorithm to ensure you remain segregated and ignorant.
Practical engineering. :) watch first, thank me later!
Thank you for this extraordinary demonstration!
Always informative. Love your grin before popping those bubbles, you are young at heart.
Really like your work. True professional. One comment on this test, I am a Mechanical engineer and what was missing in your test is the effect of timing for the engine. Hydrogen burns much faster than gasoline and by adding small amount of hydrogen to the mix you speed up the burn of the fuel. That means you can retard the ignition timing of the engine closer to TDC and increase the efficiency of engine. If you get net zero gain with the same timing you should get benefit with optimal timing for the added HHO gas.
I wish the creator would answer you!
Except that if you generate the HHO with power from the engine, you lose. Also, tiny amounts of hydrogen my burn quicker, but the vast majority of the fuel remains the hydrocarbons.
I really appreciate that you considered the hypothetical possibility of HHO causing increase in efficiency sufficient to cover the energy lost by generating HHO. This is what intellectual honesty looks like.
Yes. And it still doesn't work. The problem is that this gesture (let's try to think how it could work in theory and try it out in practice) is like asking doubtful Thomas to stick his finger in the wound. And even after people will see this, many will still say "IT WORKS, I KNOW IT DOES".
I had many discussions about this topic and fuel from waste creation. It is the same principle. Thermodynamics. You can sometimes bend a little bit laws of physics, but you cannot break them.
@@ogi22 Thermodynamics is Physics, which for more than 90% of people simply do not understand; those that do often still get it wrong.
@@sonpopco-op9682 Oh beleve me i know. That's why i love watching this stuff, because very often i pick up on something i ommited previously. My latest "epiphany" was a couple years ago, when i finally understood why energy density (ie frim the sun or magnetic field) drops with a square of of distance. I couldn't somehow connect it to the same principle as why volume increases with 3rd power, area with a square and distance with 1st power.
That's what you get if you are given an equation at school and take it for granted. Not even thinking what it represents :)
@@ogi22 Thats fantastic. I had my latest epiphany only a few months ago, when I finally understood how electricity in its different facets ( long range, short range, bulk) explains all of the forces present in nature.
HHO reaction Burns so much hotter than gasoline. Of course the réaction will be slightly improved.
12:28 ok, I've seen hydrogen used as fuel, but I've never seen a uncontrolled cook off. Man, it really shows how energetic it is.
You have become my favorite you tube channel. I always wanted to do this type of science but never learned how.
Hell yeah, altruistic science dad back doing his thing
Main presenter OP
Science daddy
Professor Dad.
Remember when he was going to make a 5hp hydroplane?
It's like he's yet to figure out the 1st Law of thermodynamic.
@@cheerdiver don’t be a smartass.
Man I love this channel. It is almost like having Great nostalgia of your favourite physics and chemistry classes rolled into one.
It's like Mr. Wizard's World grew up with me.
The completeness and simplicity of your calculations, the excellence of your experiment apparatus fabrication, and the precision with which you use correct vocabulary to describe exactly what you are doing is truly remarkable. The amount of work you put into these experiments is difficult to imagine, but those of us with enough education and experience to recognize it truly appreciate what you are doing. WELL DONE.
Thank you!
@@TechIngredients
My English is too bad to understand everything properly. But if I understand it correctly, the electricity consumption corresponds to the petrol saved. Could you then also say that with a heater, I could achieve the same heating output with electricity and the hydrogen generator instead of heating oil or natural gas?
Excellent, thanks for going through tgis whole setup.
I cant understand why you don't have 5M+ subscribers. I have never been disappointed by a video you have put out. I always have learned something new and enjoyed every minute of it! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us in such a articulate and captivating way!
Thanks!
Because a lot of people today would rather watch mindless drivel than actually learn something. I'm glad I'm one of those people that enjoys learning.
@@MrEazyE357 People in general would rather watch mindless drivel*
It's always been this way.
He s not sexy and he doesn't have any " Heisenberg" vibes.
These are serious vidéos for serious people. That's why he doesn't have 5millions subs.
Maybe he should wear a tight skirt and inappropriate amounts of lipgloss🤣
Just boobs won't help. Look at Fran🤗
Your warning about graduated pipettes was amazingly insightful. I'm pretty sure a couple of "inexplainable" errors I had in college chemistry 30 years ago was this very error. Thanks for solving that mystery.
There's an equally important warning for graduated students.
Yeah but is it because of parallax error?
@@erikkovacs3097 Skewed views = errors. So, yeah.
@@amarissimus29 There's an equally important warning for the graduated. Period.😀
And I am no longer a fan of your channel due to suspecting that you are sponsored by oil industry.
You're an inspiration. I learn so much from your videos and strive to emulate your comprehensive understanding of whatever I'm obsessed with.
I used to work in Worthington, Ohio and lived in Mt. Sterling, Ohio passing through Grove City where one day I personally saw Stan Meyer's dune buggy and talked to the man myself. I've been a certified machinist and mechanic for 42 years. The dune buggy ran on water.. I don't care who does or doesn't believe me. I saw what I saw. I've also soldered with Brown's gas.
Stan Meyer's spoke in woo. He told you one thing but did another. There used to be a Ford Taurus wagon that ran on 100% water here on the Texas coast. Guy died. I think it was Exxon that bought the car from his widow for $2k. Last I was told, if you can demonstrate it works, big oil will cut you a check for $5B to go away.
This video, done excellently, has verified that electrolysis is inefficient and thus consumes more energy than supplied. Stanley, previously to the car you describe, also had a patent not related to a car years previously. My guess, when you talked to the man, he would have stated that it does not work on ‘electrolysis’ which any high school student would tell you is an inefficient process.
@@magncity1817when his car was a thing he talked about frequency to pull apart the hydrogen and oxygen to rum the car as it went into the combustion chamber. Much like how you cam break a glass with sound. Or you can break anything else with sound
Yes Stanley was using water fracture and not electrolysis, which uses a method of flyback charging to liberate the hydrogen and oxygen and was higher voltage as well... this method was much more effective at getting the water to change into a gas and so used much less real power. In addition HHO uses chemicals to make the water conduct better and that generates heat whereas Stanley Meyer's method could work with distilled water alone and did not generate heat. This continues to enthrall my imagination as if it did not work...why did the establishment try to buy him off? Those people have the intelligence to know a good deal when they see one!
Thanks for honest reply. I live very close to Mt Sterling and am interested in knowing more.
I have to agree that Hydrogen is not Nitro and should not improve the performance of the engine. However, Hydrogen is a flammable gas and no air/fuel mixture re-calibration was performed on the carb, therefore the same amount of fuel was being burned by the engine. I would like to see this experiment performed again and see if we can lean out the carb (have it use less fuel) and maintain the same RPM when the new combustible fuel (H2) is introduced to the air/fuel mixture. If you could lessen the amount of liquid fuel when introducing H2 then it may have a place after all.
That is what I was saying to my self the whole time. I mean I know any real gain is so little that it wouldn't matter but it should require less fuel to maintain the same RPM when the HHO is being added. If this had been a fuel injected engine it would have automatically adjusted the fuel.
Especially since it takes about 2/3 less hydrogen to get the same effect as gas
The world needs more Tech Ingredients
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Well done 👍
I love this guy. I just found this and man your awesome. Keep it up bro
This was fascinating! Have always wondered if this could possibly work. Thank you!!!
You're welcome!
Another reason to refill the graduated cylinder between tests is that the head pressure changes with the fuel level.
@The Vogon Poet that's right, but in this case the carburetor has a float valve. so it makes no difference
@@Rothammel1 was here to type that😆
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@@Rothammel1 It makes a difference in the float level, but not enough to matter.
@@Bob5mith true
The one thing I like about your channel is that you have this way of drawing me into a world of science that I would have never thought possible. It is so refreshing to sit down at the computer, RUclips in particular and actually know that I have learned something. I can't thank you enough for that. 👍👍
Thank you!
The content is great. The editing could use a little work. Whoever edits them has a bright future in straight to VHS 1990s Christian movies.
@@miketaylor00 I see nothing wrong with the editing.
@@miketaylor00 His son does the editing. But I think like any video if the content is good, the production doesn't matter.
@@timsmith2725 you probably enjoy 90s straight to VHS Christian movies
Thank you for the video! I found it to be very informative!
Such a detailed debunk!!!! Amazing !! Thank you for the video I can’t wait for more videos. !!
It was a one dimensional explanation of HHO, at best.
See"the water engine works"
I love your thoroughness. Thank you for not cutting any corners and explaining every part of what you're doing, and why it's important. Truly a science channel at heart.
NO, you have not just debunked this generator! I am a big follower of your work and really appreciate your efforts!
You quote efficiencies but have NOT incorporated any into your Generator System. There has been many, many engineering minds that have that have looked at this problem. One of which was your own American Stanley Meyer who discovered the high mean resonant frequency for electrolysis and also a supper efficient injector system. You also must remember to set the timing correctly (TDC) as the HHO mixture implodes at ignition! With these improvements and say a second battery & larger alternator would totally transform your findings! The idea of using water as a fuel is so enticing I am surprised that you rebuke it so easily! Clean Energy, Low Cost, Readily Available should have driven you further in your research; as it is a very important subject to all of mankind! No wonder the oil giants are frightened! So please give this important subject more of your precious time and look at it with your wonderful analytic mind which you have shown in the past!
It's been a while since I've seen anything about in-car HHO generators, these were all over the place back around 2010. Excellent demonstration and explanation.
They are back, people are gullible and want to believe something
@@Steevo69 Just wait until fuel cell EVs become mainstream...those same people will think it is proof that this 'technology' really works
I do like what you are doing here. I subscribed minutes into the first video watched. I would like to thank YOU for taking the time to deliver well organized information backed with the same science that made me who I am today. The popping hydrogen to me always sounded a lot like a .22 cal. mighty-might stud driver with the red color coated blank.
Piston engine demonstration is pretty unique, good job 👍
I built a 10 by 10 inch, 5-cell unit and ran it in my Izusu trooper with a GM V6 engine. I get 10 to 15% better fuel economy running the HHO generator than without it. I only draw 13 amps at 12 volts. I'm not trying to run the engine on HHO alone, but supplement it with gasoline. The engine has more power at a lower rpm. The engine runs so clean that the oil looks brand new after 2 years but I change it because I know it breaks down from use. I also use DuraLube in the oil to reduce friction. I put Iridium spark plugs in the engine because you never have to change them. After 5 years I checked them and they still look brand new. I don't have a degree in thermodynamics or anything like that but it works.
You cant be serious.🤦♂️ Its so easy to lie your self.😁 If you watch this video, you Will understand, it wont work.
@@uittoan Frankly I don't give a damn about what you have to say. All I know is that it works. The problem is there are too many critics like yourself that put it on paper and the equations say it won't work. But they are too cheap or lazy to build it and try it themselves. Thermodynamics has been wrong time and time again because our math system has too many screw-ups in it. The only way to advance knowledge is to go beyond the blackboard and just try it.
You are good to go as you are running in several hours of travelling time.
He is merely testing out in a few minutes with very little affect of surroundings condition and temperature.
@@Ken-rk3by Hi Ken, am Bonnie. I admire your curiosity. I'm an engineer and had a lot of technical experiments too and i want to follow post. I'm making a study on HHO projects used on cars. I am building a wet type HHO generator using 12 volts. I plan to install a separate alternator and battery system exclusively intended for the HHO generator only. I am buying a carburetor to supply the brown gas to be connected to the intake manifold independent of the existing carburetor. The original carburetor will just supply gasoline to the engine for idling condition. The additional carburetor to supply brown gas to power the engine will be operated separately. Since the brown gas ignites and explodes instantly compared to gasoline, I will revise the spark timing to occur few degrees after top dead center. The present spark timing is about 8 - 12 degrees before top dead center. May I know your comment on this... Thanks in advance...
@@bonnieantenor6548 - What I did was just install the HHO supply before the oxygen sensor. I didn't do anything about the timing, as I don't know enough about electronic ignition systems as I am old school. I did find that the small amount of HHO worked best at low RPM. I wouldn't change the timing as there is a very small amount of HHO being mixed with the gasoline. All it seems to do is make a more complete combustion of the gasoline. Whatever you do, don't run the HHO before you start the car, because it could blow the engine. I didn't get any knock or pre-detonation in my engine. I hope that helps you out.
A fun Engineering and Science video.
Easier to Digest than other videos of its kind For my "not so tech savvy" friends to grip.
He doesn't skip over the jargon And does not overcomplicate it.
Great work!
Thanks!
@@TechIngredients Doesn't that whole sceme violate one or more of Newton's Principles ?🤔
Excellent and thorough explanation, I've been making the same case since i first ran across these things but now i can direct people here.
Glad it helped!
I always am always glad to see another well done episode of Tech Ingredients.
When I was in high school one of my dads friends roped me into helping with his company selling (extremely well build and commercial looking) HHO devices to put on long haul trucks. The devices put out a lot of hydrogen, but as expected the problem was that it just drew too much power to be worth it. eventually they dropped the mileage claims from their marketing and instead advertised them as making the truck more 'environmentally friendly', but given that they actually decreased the fuel economy and increased the engine temperature, no one wanted them and the company went under.
Honestly, high school is the best possible time to have that learning experience. You know - if the company you're working for is bull, you need to jump ship asap. Imagine that you had a wife and 3 kids when that happened.
It would actually make the truck far less environmentally friendly, by messing with the burn in the combustion chamber, causing far more unpleasant gases to be produced.
Your Dads friend was/is a fraudster/scammer :(
@@kevinshort3943 you accuse people but what have you done in your life? he tried and failed he probably wasn't a physicist he started a business ran into problems and moved on. talk less because no one cares about your non evidence based claim or your accusations to make yourself feel better about being a no life
@@ColonelSandersLite Thus the reason the company kept selling them even after they knew it was a piece of trash idea. It's hard to get a man to understand something when his livelihood depends on not understanding it.
They should have advertised that lighter fuel mixtures could cause less wear on the engine by burning cleaner. Doesn't fix the tempature problem but at least it would be true. I might be a bit biased though as I have always liked the idea of hydrogen as a fuel source.
Not sure how much time or heartache it will take but I am convinced ICE hydrogen engines are going to happen, not the next 50 years maybe but it's going to happen eventually.
You have a Serious good Chanel going man. you really teach people to understand you really make a verry good show, 100%😊
I appreciate that!
Exactly the info I wanted to understand what is going on with these things, much appreciation!
Sure!
I was thinking - couldn't you just do the math to bust this, you don't need a rig. Then you used the math to bust it. This is why I love you guys, cut right to the chase, then back it up with some fun experimental stuff too. Thank you again for your content, love it.
Sometimes you just have to do the thing to prove the work and that it doesnt work, because sometimes it ends up working (even just like by a tiny fraction) and you have to figure out why. and end up discovering something new to explain why something isnt how we thought on paper. Even though something like this example is pretty clear cut its still worth doing a practical experiment to be completely certain :) and thats why I love this channel, they are willing to put in the work and see the outcome even when it seems silly. Plus I feel like we got some great data that can be used elsewhere! Hope we see more of the HHO generator in future experiments and projects.
Wow! You guys kill me, hopefully not literally! 😂
Yes. Start with the true costs of current model, which is not captured in this demonstration.
If you have never refined crude, looked into refining crude, and just assume gasoline is cheaper than HHO production, you are trapped in someone else's dream for their life. And then we use a demonstration with an engine designed with compressive explosions and at best 28% efficiency. 35% maximum in a controlled laboratory....and we still make them, and buy them. MIT proved 30 years ago a engine coupled with a Stirling cycle yields upwards of 60% efficiency with that precious "cheap" petrol product endorsed here. The problem? Engine manufacturers found it easier and thus more profitable to keep business as usual, big government agreed.
@@the_natrix9959 I don't think anyone thinks gas is the best XD but in this setup which is a good example of what people are being sold its at best the same or worse than just gas. I believe in the immediate future the best use of hydrogen is to generate it off excess wind and solar power as storage then to use it as a fuel source to be converted back into electricity in an electric vehicle on demand. But even then only time will tell how viable that is. Actually I would like to see a video on that!
@@the_natrix9959 you have lots of words in your comment but very few of them make sense or are backed up by evidence.
Unlike this video.
"Getting a little light on the throttle can make a significant difference in mileage..." I've tracked my fuel economy for over a decade and this is the single most important conclusion I've drawn. Even recent fuel price increases don't really compare to something as simple as a change in mood while driving. I have fuel economy graphs that I can actually pick out days that I was late for work (and drove aggressively/faster because of it) just based on a sudden major increase in $/km. Oh, and stay off the brakes unless you intend to stop! Brakes are just gas and brake pad money to brake dust converters. Drive with your head a little further in the future (leave more space ahead) and let the engine slow you down any time you can. In a lot of (most?) cars, that actually uses 0 fuel and doesn't wear out the brakes at all.
Driving with the regulator works very well for economy.
I've noticed between full acceleration and gradual acceleration there isn't much difference in overall consumption on highway (because you're accelerading for like 1-5% of the travel, so 10 or 20l/100 over like 2km doesn't change much, you'd rather find cheaper fuel, and also it's a bit misleading since you have increased consumption over a shorter time), but for town it probably would make a bit more of an impact.
For maximum efficiency you want to run around 1600-1800rpm on a 2l diesel, though specifics depend on the engine.
So if you want to accelerate try to shift up at 2k rpm.
I always drive a stick and keep the revs and gears optimized for fuel economy . Planning ahead and using the engine to decrease speed ... I only usually use the brakes to come to a complete stop when necessary and will even coast in neutral when approaching an intersection if possible . Easily saves me 35% less fuel than when driving in a 'mood' .
When I drive home late at night, I play a game of no brakes. The entire ride I'm not allowed to touch my brake (unless mandated by situations like lights or cars braking in front of me). Late at night the amount of traffic is sufficiently light to allow me to do that and I only have a couple of traffic lights to navigate. But the traffic lights are predictable too, so I can see (and fairly accurately guess) from a great distance if I need to keep the gas on or slow the car down.
It's surprisingly hard to do, but it allows you to get to know your car better and it introduces a fun pass time for what is otherwise a boring thing to do.
@@glitter_fart opening the windows is worse at higher speeds, so the ac can be the right choice still, also in actual use unless it's extremely hot and you need the ac on full blast all the time, it's more like 3-5%.
"Drive with your head a little further in the future" is something most drivers today definitely don't practice.
I went back to my experiment took the carburetor off my engine and use fittings with two ball valves per engine experiment. Doing this I achieved more efficiency from gas fumes and hydrogen and oxygen. The only problem I had was constantly adjusting valves under different loads🤔 I did have fun though I ended up switching my rototiller, riding lawn mower, generator. I really like your videos!❤
Very informative and interesting. Thankyou.
Great video. I had a HHO generator in my car for about a year. It did NOT improve fuel consumption, in fact it increased slightly. The HHO mix is compensated for by the O2 sensor on the engine. One good point though is that the exhaust outlet gasses were cleaner ( as reported by an MOT centre who tested the car with the system running and the system off ). They said the engine ran rich and at a slightly low temp with the HHO running. In the end the HHO damaged the steel piston rings, resulting in the scrapping of the car, so was a very expensive toy.
The problem with hho is that it doesn't lubricate your engine the way gasoline does and sometimes condenses and leaves water vapor in the engine your supposed to use an air dryer but that doesn't always work
It's been known for years to use ceramic piston rings and the O2 sensor issue is why people use older vehicles without a computer.
Also you should only be using a vehicle you're prepared to lose, people typically do this with cheap cars as a side project and there have been a number of deaths due to detonation, the timing has to be adjusted to suit implosion when the engine is running hydrogen (your ears will pop on the flame test if you have implosion afaik)
The spark plugs should also be upgraded and coupled with purpose built circuitry, look up "water spark plug" if you want to find out more
computerized cars need re programed for it to work
@@brixzereg The hydrogen does *not* replace the fuel at all.
It is just added to the air intake and comprises less than 1 percent of it. In this example, 1 liter out of 150 litres per minute is 0.66%. Times 2/3 for the H content = 0.44%
That is almost indistinguishable from zero, and you will certainly not notice any difference in performance.
@@ahaveland in this example the hydrogen oxygen mixture is added to air- fuel mix of the carburetor or injectors without it being leaned out to compensate. The thing is however that hho doesn't increase performance or efficiency it just replaces some of the fuel. Because it burns so quickly It takes much more hydrogen-air by volume than the gas-air mix to run the same motor
I’m just LOVING the fact that you sucked all the air out of that beaker. I was cheering you on from home! And I totally agree, a scientist needs to have a very broad skill set! 😂
i did not understand what he was doing till he was finished.
@@David-ik8wj Yessir! I call that a good mystery-suspense story...
NO, you have not just debunked this generator! I am a big follower of your work and really appreciate your efforts!
You quote efficiencies but have NOT incorporated any into your Generator System. There has been many, many engineering minds that have that have looked at this problem. One of which was your own American Stanley Meyer who discovered the high mean resonant frequency for electrolysis and also a supper efficient injector system. You also must remember to set the timing correctly (TDC) as the HHO mixture implodes at ignition! With these improvements and say a second battery & larger alternator would totally transform your findings! The idea of using water as a fuel is so enticing I am surprised that you rebuke it so easily! Clean Energy, Low Cost, Readily Available should have driven you further in your research; as it is a very important subject to all of mankind! No wonder the oil giants are frightened! So please give this important subject more of your precious time and look at it with your wonderful analytic mind which you have shown in the past!
@@patmcintyre8421 If it eats the same amount of fuel for the same work, how can it be more efficient? Ultimately the chemical energy in (fuel) to electrical energy out is the efficiency measurement in this electrical generator system. Just to be extra sure the mechanical part does not cause problems, there was even an RPM sensor.
You do not even need to know the Joules of fuel used since it was the same. Same fuel, same seconds. Joules is wattseconds.
And it actually has *extra* fuel in terms of water when HHO electrolyzer is installed which means it is *less* efficient - you have to lug that water around in a real car. (and the electrolyzer itself too)
If running rich was an issue you would hear knocking and/or the motor would turn at different RPM. This little change of fuel mix does *literally nothing* . By the way, adjust your engine *before* and also *after* to actually see that literally nothing has changed. It's easy to compare unadjusted to adjusted engine and get fooled.
@@patmcintyre8421 I agree, I think the issue has been that people only think of this singular method of separating the molecules. Electrolysis as a method is just not efficient if you're using manufactured electrical power, and that's how every single skeptic proves it, by doing it the worst way possible.
Thank you for this demo
I very much appreciate your accurate scientific testing procedures, therefore I can trust the results, also I copied your hydrofoil profile a few months ago when making a new rudder for my sailboat, I constructed it from marine grade aluminum, I did calculate its buoyancy and it was slightly positive, I'm very happy with the results, yes it floats if accidentally dropped into the water and when I tried it out on a lake it out performed original rudder by a very noticeable amount but no scientific testing was done, I was so happy with it that I didn't care, thank you very much, you are a great teacher.
That's great!
When what we struggle to design, construct, and demonstrate helps other people with their projects...thats what it's all about.
In my 20's I volunteered on Bruce DePalmas' "N" machine project. Nothing viable but we got to make a rotor with 400lbs NdFeB magnets, and I met a few amazing engineers/artists. Roger Modjeski (RIP) built a really cool inverter for the machine. When I saw experimental process being tweaked to eliminate control, I left. Your videos remind me of that Youthful time. Your mirror ball reminds me of after hours vacuum tube analog hifi. I learned much and had fun!
"N" Worked. It was The Gas Companies and the Government that shut it down
I always dismissed it from first principles, yet it is incredibly satisfying to see someone actually go through the pain of set it up and test it: very well done. Keep it up!
carnot efficiency limit for all thermal engines
eff.c = ( Tmax - Tmin) / Tmax. °K
@@arturoeugster7228 Issue with increasing Tmax is that pesky engines tend to melt... that is why we have intercoolers :D
@James Good old entropy never lies :D
@@yoshyoka
No, this is the idealized cycle , and the maximum temperature would be the combustion temperature ,by far not the piston, or cylinder wall temperature.
Intercooling is an entirely different concept, reducing the work needed to compress the working gas.
@@arturoeugster7228 That is correct, yet the combustion temperature can be only so hot before pistons start to melt and temperature management too complex.
By intercooling you are off course correct.
This was great! Good experiment and explanation on this HHO hype.
Thank you Sir for your.....how to say....kindhearted nature and perfectly pedagogical lesson. You are GREAT at explaining and making it really interesting to watch :) THANK YOU
I purchased schematics for an HHO generator many years ago and never got around to testing it out -- I'm happy to see you putting in the work to demonstrate the model's capabilities (or lack thereof). It was intended as something to do to spend time with my father and to improve our fleet vehicles if it somehow miraculously showed benefits; however, my father ended up passing away since then and we never got around to it.
It makes me happy to see you and your son being able to do these projects together -- keep up the great work and don't let that pesky roman candle debacle foul your spirit or curiosity.
Hope you had a Merry Christmas and here's looking forward to a Happy New Year!
He’s correct, with the inefficiency caused by the time for fuel generation from water it’s not feasible. But all the guys who produced on demand at the fuel rail, have all been suicided, like that guy who toured the US in that horrible little green car.
he is not testing the exhaust fuel-oxy ratio it can run on higher fuel ratio and can really could not tell the difference of the engine performance.
I found the only real practical free fuel to be used veggy oil. Worked in my '98 VW TDI and '92 F-250 diesel. But EPA emissions now prevent it from being used in any vehicle post 2006.
I love the full hands-on demonstration and explanation of the whole setup. Plus little explosions are always cool!
Interesting indeed.
Thank you for the experiment. 😊
Our pleasure!
Thank you for your work. In ww2 the germans sprayed water into the intakes on fighter plains and later used a mix of water and alcohol to boost the power output
yeah in attempt to "pre-cool" the air which kinda helps increasing massflow to the engine.
That's water injection, I believe the B-52 bomber also does that trick for take-offs and for cars Hydrodiesel aims to get the same effect
It's still used today in race cars. It's a 50/50 of methanol and water, you spray it in blown (supercharged) applications at the drag strip. You inject this myst before the blower, and it's basically 118-120 octane mixed into your system.
it cooles the intake air und raises the thermal efficiency according Carnot Cycle.
Thank you guys for such HIGH quality content and the things you choose to work on.
I have made my own from salt water pool chlorine generators and use solar panels to produce the current. Cody's Lab has an excellent set up that utilized compressors and kept the hydrogen gas in cylinders for later use.
I like your videos so much, they are not only technically very interesting but also scientifically proofed! Thank you very much! An in year face we can see you have fun... :P
Excellent presentation
every bit of content you make is beyond excellent. every topic you pick is extrmemely interesting and usually something ive wanted to know more about or have investigated a bit - but you just provide - dead set - the best information. outstanding.
I love how thorough you are in all the projects you do.
I’ve been watching so long I’m impressed by your drive
Excellent work. Love that you were open minded enough to experiment on this as well.
I'd also look up a little phenomenon known as "hydrogen embrittlement". It's the reason we don't usually use hydrox welding or cutting torches.
I would love to see an experiment of solar panels generating enough hydrogen in real time to run an engine. I think this would help visualize just how many cells and how much hydrogen you would need just to run something that small. Thanks again for the great videos!
Seems like, at best, it would be an interesting way to hybridize a car, provided it compensates for the weight of the panels, and water. At night it would be a net loss, because you have extra weight for no reason.
You have to visualize how much HHO would be required in order to actually run an engine. That tiny little 80CC engine require 2.8 liters of HHO per second, or 168 liters per minute to run at it's nominal RPM, and that HHO generator requires 560W to hit just one liter per minute of HHO production. Even if we assume that the HHO generator is inefficient and we could somehow double the output to 2 liters per minute only requiring 500 watts, in order to run that engine, we'd need to scale up the HHO generator 84 times larger to increase HHO production to 168 liters per minute. 84 x 500 watts = 42,000 watts, or 42 Kilowatts. To give you an idea of how much electricity that is, on a 12 volt system, that would require 3500 Amps. In order to get 42,000 watts from solar, you'd need a HUGE solar field. Using the most efficient N-type modern panels, you might get 400W out of a 40"x73" panel in perfect conditions at the equator, so you would need 105 panels, that's an array of panels 5 panels high by 21 panels long, or 17 feet high by 130 feet long, all just to run a tiny 79cc Harbor Freight engine capable of producing 3 horsepower.
For all the people who still refuse to believe that a closed loop HHO power car isn't possible, even a perfectly efficient genset / alternator could never make more than 2200 watts with a 3 horsepower engine, which is almost 19 times less than the amount of electricity required to generate enough HHO to run it. In order to just break even, meaning produce enough HHO to run an engine that will produce enough electricity to produce enough HHO to keep the system running, we'd need to somehow get an HHO generator capable of producing 1 liter per minute for every 13 watts of electricity consumed. This HHO generator is about 43 times less efficient than it would need to be in order to just break even (achieve Unity).
@@racerex340 Thank you for taking the time to break that down! I know it is a massive amount and that’s why I think it would still be a great experiment to see. It would be massive and not practical which is why I think it would help most people to see just how much would be required to make a small engine run.
@@racerex340 couple of remarks. the energy content of hydrogen is about 3 to 4 times greater than gasoline. hence the 'superb' fuel comment and it might burn quicker allowing for better thermal efficiency, but say you even needed 4 times less amount of fuel to do same work. you still need a 10kW system and you're right for solar that is about 25 x 400W panels and needs at least 50m2 for the fans of a metric system. .. i have a 12kW solar system and it takes up almost the entire 6 x 15m roof area as its using older 250Wp panels. To be using this to generate HHO might seem ridiculous until you realise that using slow near isothermal compression at 1kwh/kg you could use the system to generate and store on average 1 to 2kg of hydrogen per day from excess generation which may give you about 3 to 6 hours of runtime even on this inefficient engine with a 500W load . so using 20 refurbished CO2 fire extinguishers you could store the H2 at 150bar (2000PSI) to give you a 3kWh battery .. no lithium..no fighting over lithium mines .. repurpose existing technology for local hydrogen storage. If you hooked up the hydrogen to a fuel cell you'll get around 60% thermal efficiency as opposed to burning it in an engine. so all of a sudden 12 hours runtime for a 500W constant load. 6kwh battery pack that is 2.5 times the size of tesla powerwall 2 which has 13.5kw. Ridiculous! Right? and H2 at 150bar (2000Psi) isn't exactly safe to have near the house. but again. if you have the space and safety protocols. Few cylinders and a compressor hooked up to a genset or fuel cell are achievable for a corporation and may be a better cheaper more reliable option than hugely complex tesla powerwalls or megapacks or whatever they call it. Have you seen a megapack on fire ? I agree. cars/trucks on hydrogen probably bad idea.. stationary remote applications. farms.. and the like for overnight irrigation systems one can have a debate.
@@N08Y so, I like a lot of what you shared, but you lost me at compression of excess produced hydrogen on-site. While I find the thought of storing 2000PSI H2 frightening, the actual process of compressing that H2 is terrifying. While there are obviously well matured industrial methods of compressing hydrogen, that process is likely not performed near homes. I'm thinking that risk during compression could be further reduced by performing the compression isolated in a chamber under a slight vacuum.
I've had similar concerns with hydrogen tanks on vehicles, there just aren't any viable ways to prevent a tank from rupturing during an accident and creating one hell of a hot explosion. Not that modern lithium battery systems aren't also crazy dangerous during a fire
Appreciate your work dear sir.👍👍
Great video. It was interesting to watch.
I love the way you guys approach things and the depths that you go into. I usually have at least two moments in your videos where I think "Well, yeah... But what about (blank)?" And you immediately address it within the next 10 seconds. lol I dig learning from you guys. cheers!
Thank you for doing this! Your time, energy, passion, experience and knowledge are greatly appreciated!
Thank you for validating me. I have had very lively ‘discussions’ with people that have no engineering or physics education trying to tell me that these perpetual motion devices (that they found on RUclips) work. They keep saying ‘well the guy on RUclips his contraption works.’
Good one. Thanks. Keep that way!
Love this guy. If the crap ever hits the fan I would love to be his neighbor.
Have you seen his jet engine tests? It probaly is his fan and his crap ;-D
I'd love him as a neighbor today! Even though the fan blades are already a little shitty now lol.
@@greg20152015 lol. That is so true. Greg from South Bend Indiana
He will have lots of bulk flour, sugar, oil and raw cacao to share with you
Keep doing what you are doing. I have been watching your channel grow from the early days. Keep teaching!
That was excellent. More please thanks
Great video and information!
Thank you for making this interesting experiment. :)
I build one of these cells by myself, so it cost me very little to do so.
My main goal wasn't to improve my mileage in a vehicle.
I made a HHO welder instead. A nifty little thing that is fun to play around with and has practical use too. :)
You can also use the hydrogen with an arc, for atomic hydrogen welding. Very hot and clean (and essentially obsolete, I'm told.)
@@UncleKennysPlace Yes, but that would require large quantities of hydrogen, and I separate it from the oxygen produced.
I just made a little homemade apparatus with some stainless steel plates (AISI 316), a bubbler, and a flashback arrestor. :)
For real welding, I use my TIG welder or in thick material my stick welder (MMA).
And you can weld underwater. But the real issue with HHO generators, is not to add to fossil fuel but to replace it and not for efficiency, but for zero carbon output because clearly water is cheaper and cleaner than Gasoline. It is about saving the planet not your pocket book.
NO, you have not just debunked this generator! I am a big follower of your work and really appreciate your efforts!
You quote efficiencies but have NOT incorporated any into your Generator System. There has been many, many engineering minds that have that have looked at this problem. One of which was your own American Stanley Meyer who discovered the high mean resonant frequency for electrolysis and also a supper efficient injector system. You also must remember to set the timing correctly (TDC) as the HHO mixture implodes at ignition! With these improvements and say a second battery & larger alternator would totally transform your findings! The idea of using water as a fuel is so enticing I am surprised that you rebuke it so easily! Clean Energy, Low Cost, Readily Available should have driven you further in your research; as it is a very important subject to all of mankind! No wonder the oil giants are frightened! So please give this important subject more of your precious time and look at it with your wonderful analytic mind which you have shown in the past!
have you considered monitoring the air/ fuel ratio of the engines exhaust? it could be possible that the engine is running rich with the introduction of hydrogen and therefore leaning the carburetor out would reduce fuel consumption
So let’s continue this path and say it’s running rich. It’s not rich enough to cause issues while running, so that means it’s not adding meaningful fuel to engine.
Sure, it technically uses “less fuel” but it still comes nowhere close to the energy needed for the HHO generator.
@@jrobmccoy you wouldn't notice a change in how the engine runs going from 16:1 afr to 12:1. I think that would be a considerable difference in fuel economy
@@Punkdayz Welp it could work on bigger scale, but you have to add also costs of salts, electric plates. So maybe less fuel but costs would be the same or even more.
@@TheSpawacz that's true. I remember when this first came out for commercial use. It was advertised mainly for diesel trucks and big rigs
I did a similar non-related project a few years ago. In my case, i had to consider the actual world environment in which my product was used. Temperature and altitude. eg in La Paz, Bolivia for the highest altitude and the lowest was potentially down a deep mine. The software for temperature was also built into efficiency algorithm.
Great work! You are a good engineer!
-Nils Rognerud
Thanks!
Tests like this are the reason I absolutely love this channel!
it was a pleasure to watch, you have a very clean teaching method. Thanks for putting this video together, because there are a lot of people that still think getting something out of nothing is doable. I wish all the best to you and your family!
Ivan (Sofia, Bulgaria)
Thanks and welcome!
Brilliant demo . Takes me back to A level physics 60 odd years ago !
this guy is great... im always watching his videos... always useful Information
Thanks!
Great video TI guys!! I think you could do a lot more videos debunking scam devices like this and I know I'd watch em, I'm sure the rest of the audience would enjoy it as well.
I'd watch them because it's entertaining and very informative.
Scam?? .. my uncle knows a guy with a friend in Africa, who powers his car and house with Water, this guy here is just using the wrong water and forgot the magic magnets!!! /s
@@KrustyKlown Jet fuel is a hoax!
Great setup! I tried this out myself I went a little bit different method. I got a hold of a compressed hydrogen tank a little over a hundred cubic foot as I recall. And I hooked it up to a regulator with special fittings and the gauge so I could very how many liters per minute I fed into the engine and read the digital miles per gallon off my scan gauge. I wanted badly for the hydrogen to change something in the combustion but I didn't even get an increase from what the hydrogen should have contributed to the combustion process and I wasn't willing to try changing the timing back and forth and screwing up the car because I should have seen some difference over several hundred miles using differing amounts of hydrogen added to it up to 5 l a minute which is way more than electrolysis unit would have produced for me. Also I was always sure to start the engine run it then turn on the hydrogen and shut it off then shut the engine off like a minute later because the light molecular weight of hydrogen I was very concerned over it going past the Rings into the crankcase and kaboom. This is a problem when they have attempted mixing hydrogen in the Natural Gas on different pilot plants to make it more green and the hydrogen bleeds out of seals pumps and with its insane explosive limits in air being so low just so high on the limits it is really dangerous I'm sure more than one person has had it go off inside their crankcase or under the hood. Thanks for a great episode of something I've researched myself!
Wow .. interesting. ANd yes, take precautions when using Hydrogen ... for sure!
On another RUclips video I read a comment from a guy that had a system installed and one time it failed to turn off with the car, blew up the intake manifold.
Fantastic analysis. I would like to see the same experiment on a system that is computer controlled (something that has O2 sensors, mass airflow sensors, etc) so it can adjust to the HHO input. Carburetor fuel consumption is so basic that it didn't register anything (so I guess).
With this being said, a proper HHO system would not be large enough to add to a car. And there are no small engines that have ECU/ECM units. So, I guess it would not be possible. A car would need at least 1 HHO unit per cylinder (the amount of power consption would be too high for the alternator and battery.
This was such a great experiment because it explains the numbers, and all is on a small scale that is easier to understand.
Very good explanation!!
Thanks!
Yes!!! You’ve convinced me! I definitely need to get one of these HHO things straight away!
Those exploding bubbles are great! 😎
Yeahhh !! If you go ballons go small ok. H2 is a bomb ! And You can use a high power flame Torch, no gas bottles, just water !
@@EnricoMarangonJunior That's not the H2. That's the O2. You can make same thing happen with an Oxy-Acetylene torch just by turning off the acetylene first. H2 just makes a large flame when ignited in air.
@@WilReid Oh! the O2 "bombs" and the H2 just "flame out" ? that's new ! And "use as a high..." the "as" was missing in my sentence. And Yeah I saw the acetylene torches go bang and never tough it was the O2, I always associated that to "wrong ratio" and now makes total sense, it IS the wrong ratio but in the O2 valve. Thanks Mr Will Reid.
They don't last very long. If you put one in your car (some people have), you have to replace it very often, but parts are cheap
Very professionally done, as always. I'm always impressed with this channel. First class technical content.
2:44 Finally someone understands the issue here, looking so forward to watching.
I’d like to see this test done with a car engine.
My Ford Fairmont 4 litre was about 2.3 seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile drags with the HHO booster running.
The HHO helps improve the slow and incomplete petrol or diesel combustion in the cylinder, resulting in far less toxic exhaust output.
I spent some effort trying to fool my O2 sensor, which kept wanting to add more fuel to the mix, thinking the engine was running lean, due to the lack of the usual pollutants in the exhaust.
A friend had a booster on his 4 cylinder diesel Ute, and as we compared notes over a few months, he carefully calculated a 20% average fuel mileage improvement.
Congrats! You have just won yourselves a Nobel Prize in physics. Now just demonstrate your achievements.
P.S. I managed to geneticaly back-engineer a T-rex in my backyard. It's alive and well and also mostly vegetarian.
just amazing! Great content!