Hobby Cheating 224 - How to Paint Black Armor
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- Опубликовано: 17 янв 2020
- In this Hobby Cheating tutorial, I take you through multiple methods of creating shiny black armor. Whether you are looking for speed for a whole army, or detailed high quality shiny black, you will find a technique within to help you along. Hope you enjoy!
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“Excellent question, imaginary viewer!” I like your style, Vince 👍🏻
Thank you very much, it's always funny to me to answer the questions of no-one, so I have to keep myself entertained. :)
Vince has helped me on so many levels this man deserves major respect which im sure he gets "SO GIVE HIM MORE!"
Well thank you, always happy to help. :)
You are my favorite teacher. You just explain so well and back it up with "science". Thanks, Vince!
Happy to help!
Fantastic breakdown of various methods. I appreciate the time element of each. Its going to be fun playing with various colors in my black armor...especially applying these new techniques to chaos models I painted 10 and 25 years ago!
Awesome, I wanted to give people options here for sure. :)
Good timing with the new Sisters coming out. I still have a substantial amount of Raging Heroes "Totally Not Sisters of Battle, Honest" that need painting, so I know I'll be using some of these techniques. I have to say, wet-blending is really satisfying to do, but you showed a lot of options there.
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
19:00 "Gloss appear darker"
These random nuggets are gold! You throw in a lot of these little tips throughout your videos and are really awesome information. Thanks Vince!
Thank you, I always try to make sure that all of that stuff is well and clear and there to help support the "why" I am doing anything
Wow. This answered so many questions I had. Thank you for the awesome tutorial!
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
"Throwing my brush around like a crazy person".. I'm proper crazy it seems. Huge thanks for the toturial vince
Yeah, when I am painting fast in tutorials, it happens. :) (Also, when I am just painting normal it happens. Basically, it happens). Glad the video was helpful. :)
Holy shit on the day I start painting my fantasy black orcs im blessed with this lol
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
"Black is boredom in paint form" ... most appropriate description of black paint ever. :)
Thank you, it's absolutely true which is why I always push people to integrate color into it. :)
Excellent tutorial. The first light to dark technique appealed to me most. Subbed.
Glad it was helpful! ALways happy to assist and thanks for joining me on your hobby journey. :)
Always enjoy the "throw brush around like a crazy person" step. So rewarding...
It really is some of the most fun you can have painting. :)
Awesome, thank you. I plan to do GW's new pointy elves with the armour something akin to this.
Very educational and interesting, thanks again!
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
Looking for tips on glazing metallics can’t wait to see how you handle it Vince your are a fantastic painter. Loved your video on jungle basing look forward to using it for my blood axe ork army keep it up man you’re great for our hobby 🤘
Well, fortunately, you can see that in several videos, this one will show you how I glaze colors on metallics (TMM) - ruclips.net/video/NRYgfJDNL2k/видео.html
YES! I am painting Slaves to Darkness now. Perfect timing :)
Awesome, between SoB and S2D, it was time for this for sure.
You are the Vallejo Metal Colour of hobby resources, Vince.
I can think of no higher compliment.
My approach is to prime black, drybrush gray, lighter drybrush of light gray, then a thinned black contrast paint over the whole section to darken it back up. Quick and efficient.
Sure, no issue there, it's interesting to, because you could also add in some drybrushes of other colors (say a mid-blue) to get the tonal effects like you see here, which will punch it up without any additional time.
Now I won’t feel so intimidated by my SoB of the Order of Our Martyred Lady. Great video, Vince 👍
Yep, when I originally uploaded this, I new it would be around SoB time, but I didn't know it would be pre-order weekend, so well timed on this for sure between sisters and chaos S2D. :)
All in all it's just a- nother horse on vince' wall!
Great vid as per usual :)
Thanks again! :)
Love this whole series ❤️
Thank you, happy to help. :)
I have been painting RG since 5th edtion, I hate it more than you ever know but it is the love of my legion that gets me through it. Thank you for this, I needed this but damn man you were not kidding it's time consuming. I am thinking of abandoning them in order to get a painted army. 😢
I'm going to do another video in a little while (it will be a few months, but it's coming) on doing black armor with oils. It's a totally different experience and so fast it will blow your mind. :)
Great tutorial! It’s basically nmm with black , love it
Yep, basically, :)
Looks great, I'm going to try this method on my IJ.
Awesome, IJ are great with some black armor.
Beautiful video! Also, and I mean this as a compliment, I realized after 10 minutes that your voice sounds like Steve Buschemi!
I take it as one and not the first time I have heard that. :)
Any chance of getting a video on airbrush glazing/ blending? I've watched the one with the blue guy but couldn't find anything else similar.
Sure, I can add that to the list.
"Mmm, should I went blend this, or will this be a project for loaded brush?" Hoo dear, i laught like crazy on this one. Thanks man, you made my day :-D. Great video by the way, as always.
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is great! I’ve got a bunch of little titans that need many black armour panels to be painted! I have a few pretty much vertical and flat surfaces and wonder where you would place the highlights on there as there are no obvious places the light would catch, I ‘m guessing towards the bottom?
So the answer is either light towards the top or bottom, it doesn't really matter as long as you're consistent. I often do the vertical panels near the top, but that's really personal taste.
lol i remember asking about a video on this in a live chat ages ago nice to see it happen
Yep, this one has been a LONG time coming.
Amazing work. Just when I have to paint my new sisters.
Awesome, happy to help more of the faithful reach the battlefield to destroy the heretics. :)
going to paint some deathwatch, thanks for the video!
Excellent, always happy to help.
Been looking forward to this one, thanks Vince.
So this video is very helpful but I was more curious about introducing colors into the shadows and the highlight that were a bit more vibrant. Particularly with an airbrush. Would I be better off basing in black and shooting up with say a hull red, and down from above with a jade? I guess my major hold up is do I start with a black primed model and zenithal (value sketch) first or just start out introducing color over black?
Good question, my answer is I generally will set some base tones like you are describing with the airbrush, but you are still going to want to mix them into the paint itself as you are going along with the brush to reinforce that.
So my answer would be set yourself up with the brush, then mix with the brush throughout, hope that helps.
@@VinceVenturella Sure, but since the end goal is black armor, would you shoot the color directly onto a fully blacked out base coat or would you lay down lighter sketching first with say a light grey? Sorry to pester you over this, I will ultimately end up experimenting but I like having a good grasp prior. Thanks again Vince!
@@marcellogenovese199 I would still Zenithal like normal then red from below.
I need to get some of that Payne's Grey. Magic in a bottle :O
I use it in every project bar none.
Awesome! These methods are what I was looking for. My Necrons have been hanging around waiting for the perfect black scheme :) does the glaze method work as well on a pure black vase coat or is the zenithal grey/white a mandatory step?
If you're pure black, you really can't glaze back down or glaze with light colors. the easier way is the zenithal and glaze down for sure.
Great video sir! Would you do spot highlights like on knee armour on space marines in much the same way?
Yep, basically exactly the same thing (either technique).
i will use this in my battle sisters, killteam cassius and black templar projects :D :E
TYVM for the video!
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
Thanks, Vince. A more detailed way of painting my Black Legion (that I'm giving away to a friend, by the way) and seems a lot easier to do than what I was trying. Lately I've started a new army Drukhari, namely Kabal of the Black Heart and I'm having issues getting the really dark green armor done just right. For some reason I've been getting the "Tron Effect" on them and it's irritating the crap out of me. Was wondering if you could address that in a video?
Give me a little more detail about what exactly is happening, happy to try to help.
Jeah gonna do this to Airbrush Black on Marines and vehicles. Will Look way better tahn german gray with dark reaper and fenrisian grey on the edges/as a fade
I'm gonna give this a try. I have a 40k Custodes Army in the Shadowkeepers paintscheme. Lots of black armor and so far I only do edge highlights. Although I'm not sure yet how my attempt will turn out, since I never fully approached the 'light reflections'-level of painting and Custodes like to hide their armor in all sorts of corners and under other things.
Glad I could help
Great video as always Vince! Any possible way you remember what song is playing in the background at 2:44?
No idea unfortunately. I use mostly the YoutTube Music library.
This came at a good time. Thank you
Awesome bud, happy to help and thanks again for the recommendations for Undesign. :)
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It’ll help you have a better game.
If I’m lying ... I’m saving vs death!
Thanks for a really interesting and informative video. I’m painting sisters using pretty much the GW recipe and this will be great as a challenge for my next batch. If you are still looking at comments for this video, can you explain a little bit about why you use ink paints and what value they add to the end result! Thank you!
The advantage to the inks is that they are naturally translucent, more so than paints, and so it's easier to get a good smooth gradaition.
@@VinceVenturella thank you!
Very nice. Question: in previous videos who demonstrate how to paint black armor with oil paints and how easy it is to achieve great blends. Do you prefer acrylics or oils for that particular task and why? Relly appreciate your work, thank you.
Honestly, I quite like oils, but both are viable.
Thank you Vince!!!
Thank you!
A few close up stills in here would really help show the work on the small areas and be appreciated. On 9.7” iPad it’s harder to see the work than I expected at the size, angle, and movement rate you held the model. But, still appreciate the palette breakdown!
Good call, I will look to see what I can do in the future. :) - Glad it was still helpful.
Thank you Vince! How would you use these techniques to paint a black tank for SoB with the airbrush? I guess priming grey and preshading the shadow of the pannels black like you normaly do with tanks is not an option here right? Are you planning on doing a video for how to paint black vehicles?
I can do vehicles at some point, but honestly, I would use the simple version you saw here, as you can execute it really well with the airbrush. I would do the same black-white preshading as always and I would glaze back down the panels pulling toward the shadows with the glaze. (basically the "simple" method you saw here but executed very evenly with the airbrush.
Thank you so much. I will try that!
So, what are your favorite blacks, Vince? Should we most often mix ink + paint when going for black (just like you recommend for white when we want precision work)?
Any plans for black to come onto the "exploring colors" series, even if it is sometimes not considered as a color in common language?
Payne's Grey, Abbadon Black, that's usually where I go. I tend to mix ink and the paint yes.
Just aces Vince!
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
This is the first video of yours I watched when I got my first mini. So much has changed and now I come again to ask for your advice. I now have an airbrush and a wave serpent I'm working on. So my craftworld colors are black accented with orange and blue gems as a pop color. For the wave serpent It's going to be black and panel lined with cadmium orange to give it sort-of a tron effect. As for painting the black I was thinking of doing a zenithal with my airbush, spray black templar contrast paint and then just take raw dark sea blue and just spraying it where I want it highlighted. Do you think I'd get a better result if I used the method in the video with my airbrush instead?
I think you're method could work fine, but you might want to do the color first, then do very light glazes with the black templar, then you can modulate better.
Hi Vince! Being in Canada I have trouble sourcing some products for a reasonable amount at the best of times. Payne's Grey is something I can not get anywhere. Believe I remember you saying somewhere you never found an alternative? With that whats your best recommendation here not having Payne's Grey? Thinking some other dark grey / blue grey mix could be sufficient?
Yeah, if you can't find it in an ink format, there are also artist colors (like Golden Artist Heavy Body Acrylics and Fluid Acrylics) that come in Payne's grey. Worst case, yes, just mix some blue into black and you're good.
vince, could you use this color palette but through an airbrush to achieve a similar effect? what would the approach be?
It’s hard because you need to be pretty precise with this, so you have to be tight with your airbrush, but the steps would be basically the same.
Salmon is an interesting choice.
Anyway, how would you go on a non-black black (impression of black, without using black paint)?
I would use the traditional artist tricks on a 2D canvas of the mixing of various dark blue/green/reds to get "black" without actually getting black. Hope that helps.
Very cool, thanks.
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
Dear sir, your videos are very inspiring and also extremely educational, a huge thanks for that. I am having a problem with black armor painting the valorous hearth army of adepta sororitas, the thing is that both armor and cloth are black, and following your advice and knowing that black is boredom in paint form, I have tried to make both tones of black different, even trying the texture technique of one of your videos to make the impression of cloth. I was using dark reaper blue/green on the armor and black/brown on cloth but did not seems to make a good combination. Also, when painting the inner part of clothing that is white, I wonder if a cold or warm white would be more appropriate. I know it is a long one, but i hope you could give me some input about this, love the sororitas models but I am afraid to mess them up. Thanks again for everything
Well, the other option is to differentiate through contrast, you could push the contrat of the metal armor up to be shiny and the cloth could have very minimal soft highlights, more like matter cloth.
The other option is to do what you said with the armor, I think your colors are correct, but a subtle color change like that is going to be hard to diferentiate unless you also push the contrast so you can show the actual color in a small volume. As to the interior part of the cloth, I would say cold white would make more sense, but that's going to make the whole thing quite cold, so you may just want to go warm as it will contrast better.
@@VinceVenturella thanks for the answer!!! I will give it a shot on a couple models, I am not a very good painter yet so trying different contrast on the same model will be a great challenge!!! Will try to show you the results for better or worse :). Again thanks for your videos, they are really awesome for new people in the hobbie like me. Thanks a lot!
Would this work over a black/grey and wraithbone zenithal. Or should I just stick to white?
It would certainly work.
Could this method work if you only have a standard 16 bottle vellejo paint set?
Sure, you could mix out everything I am doing here.
Would this be better done with oil paints? or do you really need big surfaces to effectively use oils?
There will be a video coming on back armor with oils soon as yes, it's so easy with oils.
Love to see the airbrush version of this on say a space marine
I'll see what I can do. :)
@@VinceVenturella just wanted to say your hobby cheating videos are fantastic. How you don't have more subs than some of the other channels out there baffles me.
the godfather of our hobby
Thank you, very much appreciated and always happy to help. :)
Vince Venturella i'm the weirdo that you mentioned that will only ever play all things nurgle (aka ghurk glott of los angeles). once again at my local gw tomorrow, it's my 2k four drop blight cyst vs fyreslayers. question kind sir. is there a webpage that lists all the tourneys for 2020? this 52 year old fantasy veteran would love to finally emerge from the Manse and travel to tourneys (other than acon) again and meet you and tom (and perhaps my other two heroes heywoah and mr mephisto). tyvm kind sir.
So if I wanted to substitute a purple in place of the blue, would you recommend that I still use the Payne's Grey ink? Or is there another color I should use, like Inktense Violet or Game Ink Violet?
They won't be dark enough really I suspect. I think that you would simply add the purple ink into the payne's grey and use it for some straight glazes as you saw here.
@@VinceVenturella I wasn't sure how dark it would need to be. Thanks for the advice.
Wouldn't the fast method be not possible if you couldn't have done the spray paint stuff?
Or would you just use a lighter basecoat? And would you advise to start with a light basecoat and maybe some black glazes/contrast layers?
You could certainly do it with a lighter base coat. but you could even do it purley with a rattlecan zenithal. (spray it black, then white from above with a spray can).
@@VinceVenturella considering a zenithal combined with a very thin dark metallic and black washes after it, to make the highlights more forgiving with the metallic sheen
which version of this do you think a beginner should use. I have used your fire cheat on my maces but now I want to try and pain the next space marine Knight with a better method than before. (basecoat, details, weapon, strong tone to finish)
The simpler is always better if you're starting out, because it will give you results that are achievable. Then once you have that, push yourself into the deeper and more complex techniques.
@@VinceVenturella Thank you so much I will try this on my next model.
Hi Vince
i usually paint 1:35 figures from model kits, but have been playing with some of the WH40k and D&D figures, which are much smaller than 1:35
I really like the size of this piece... may i ask where you got it, please?
thank you for the info and for your videos!
Always happy to help, this is a chaos knight horse from GW.
@@VinceVenturella thank you!
Vince :) waht is the different between: medium Glaze same like lahmian medium but other brand?, medium Thinner, "retarter"medium, Flow impruver or Allround medium and gel medium brilliant brand Reeves... so many things o.O ...help!
THis video will cover all your questions - ruclips.net/video/FuSFCiLvs1w/видео.html
Vince you talk the truth dude, painting is from the soul, do what feels right. What works for you may not work for me. Practice, practice, make progress.
Absolutely, it's one of the most important lessons I always try to drive home.
bit late to the party but hopefully my chaos chosen will benefit from this
Is there a list of the paints posted someplace?
I list them throughout, but if there are any you are missing, I can certainly provide.
The Rolling Stones approve of this video and so do I as I carry my Sisters of Battle with me in the rain. It aint just Chaos Black spray.
Exactly right, you need more than that primer color, black alone isn't much of anything, but mixing that red door with some black, now we have something. :)
Thanks Vince! Darth Vador becons, now... Speaking of which: how would you do highly reflective white armor, then? :-)
White armor is tricky, especially reflective white armor, it's probably one of the most difficult things you can paint (right up there with scintillating patterns). So the answer is you have to work in subtle greys that are near white and then ramp up to pure white in very small volumes that are points of reflections. If you google pictures of glossy white cars, you will see what I am describing.
@@VinceVenturella Thanks! Definitely looking at stormtroopers a different way now... ;)
Now I can use your urban terrain and black armor tutorial to paint my Black Templars. So I may purge the mutant and xenos scum!
Awesome, that's the goal, a tutorial for every part of the project. :)
@@VinceVenturella hi Vince! I'm not sure I have the time to bang out the urban base on every model. Is it aesthetically acceptable to do a larger base for a sgt or some such, then a smaller urban base for normal units?
@@michaelskinner6531 Absolutely, I often do more simple bases with just floors or more simple efforts for my troops and complicated bases for characters and monsters and so on. :)
Vince I'm getting ready to pain 2x Maw Crushers. Do you have a hack for scales? I don't want to dry brush them or have them looked dry brushed, but I also don't want to paint 1M scales.
Dry brushing is the key, the trick is you don't stop there. You want a very light dry brush with a make-up brush, then you glaze over the top of it with some colors. If your dry brush is soft and it's not the last step, it won't looked dry brushed.
Vince Venturella Thanks for that. Could you do a tutorial on this? I understand the glaze idea maybe some color theory with it. Glaze like GW glazes, or glazes like thinned opaque acrylics?
Is it just my eyes or does the “Dark Sea Blue” look like a dark grey, not in any way blue? having said that once medium is added it does have a blue tone to it.
Yep, it's got a true color of blue, but it's very grey. It's why I like it, it's the most subtle of desaturated blue tones.
with the upcoming new eldar, is this how you'd approach painting Ulthwe's black armor?
Yep, almost exactly.
Great, now I have no more excuses to give my chaos warriors as to why I won’t paint them. Thanks a lot Vince ya big jerk.
(Also thanks and liked the vid)
Thank you, happy to help as always. :)
Anybody know of an equivalent to Reaper Maggot White?
Any close cold white will do. You could even mix a touch of tourquoise into pure white.
I'll use this method for my new primaris dark angels. I'll paint them black and red like the pre heresy Angels with a little bit of green :). And I have a question. Can I use this method with a silver undercoat, because I would like to have a metallic look to my primaris?
Sorry for mistakes, I'm not a native speaker :)
It would be tricky, but you could use the glaze method I show with a silver undercoat to effectively create a very dark but highly reflective metal.
@@VinceVenturella Ok, I´ll check that out!!
@@VinceVenturella I can´t find the vid.
@@janmelik4890 It wasn't a separate vid, I was more saying you could use the method I outline here in the video (the quick method) and undercoat with silver, then glaze the blue black down like you see me do here.
could i use this method for a competition figure ?
Yep, I would use the more detailed method, but sure.
@@VinceVenturella if i used tmm method how could i handle the shine of the metal color ?
thank you because i could used you in my early days when i using combination of both enamels and oils that was in the 70's .
And I wondered how to paint Raven Guard.
Well, knowing is half the battle. :)
How to paint reddish black or reddish silver Armor??
This is going to sound like a silly answer, but just mix the red into the color. I know that sounds simple, but it really is the case, take some vallejo black red, or hull red and make that your "50%+" color as you saw me do here.
@@VinceVenturella Simple, enough I'll tag you in my results thanks for the help.
I 3D printed a black armor elf ninja (an assassin for D&D) and was wondering how I was going to pull off the paint job. THANK YOU!!!!!!
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)
I see an armour and I want to paint it black
That does seem to be the case with so many armies lately. ;)
What is your set for a wet tray to keep your paints from drying?
I use the Redgrass games wet palette, I enjoy it and it works well for me.
Anyway, So I started spraying ChAoS bLaCk.
That doesn't look black to me, it looks very green
Well, it has some blue in it, and we are mixing it with a yellow infused color. So there is certainly a deep greenish hue that is there, but that's an advantage as opposed to pure black, it has more visual information than flat black.
@@VinceVenturella is it harder to paint flat black or something very dark gray?
This is the try hard easy black
A little from column A and a little from Column B. ;)
Dear sir, your timing sucks 😉 but still very interesting and a lot to take for my next sisters
Darn it, I was hoping to get the SoB and S2D players, you painted too fast. :)
@@VinceVenturella I got lucky enough to get the November box 😉 anyway, I will try your method on my characters!
Why did you make the thinner glazes during the first method if you never used them?
Always good to have around in case I need to smooth out a blend. Then I am ready to go and can quickly apply to get the smooth gradient, but sometimes, it just works out. :)
Jeah gonna do this to Airbrush Black on Marines and vehicles. Will Look way better tahn german gray with dark reaper and fenrisian grey on the edges/as a fade
Awesome, happy to help as always. :)