Joker 2 Folie à Deux - Untitled Review Show
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- It hasn't been getting the warmest of responses from critics, but does Doug think there's some smiles to be had at this anticipated sequel? Let's take a look at Joker 2 Folie à Deux.
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Joker: Folie à Deux is a 2024 American musical psychological thriller film directed by Todd Phillips from a screenplay co-written with Scott Silver. Loosely based on DC Comics characters, it is the sequel to Joker (2019), and stars Joaquin Phoenix reprising his role as the Joker, with Lady Gaga joining the cast as his love interest Harley Quinn. Zazie Beetz also reprises her role from the previous film, while Brendan Gleeson and Catherine Keener join the cast.
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Are you going to see Joker 2?
Maybe. I might see megalopolis first than joker 2
Eventually.
When it drops on Max by Christmas yeah.
Maybe not, tbh
No lol
It wasn’t until the reviews started coming out that I learned this was a courtroom drama. Not a bad thing, but I thought the movie was going to be about Joker and Harley starting their relationship and the nightmares they cause with musical numbers. Then, the reveal would be that the music was all in their heads and we see the chaos they caused. I mean, I guess good on them for going in a completely different direction, but from what I am hearing, this sounds like a movie that almost regrets existing and kind of hates the first?
You wrote a better movie in 1 paragraph
I dont know, most of the time i dont even bother with movie trailers anymore and just go in blind. The director said himself all those years ago he wanted to make a good movie that tricks people thinking its a comic book movie. But fans on the internet myself included have their own ideas of what a sequel should be like. when its not up to anyone but the writers and director. Thing is though got a lot of weirdos that feel personally slighted cause a movie wasn't made to pander to their desires as if they are entitled to it. Like im not gonna be mad because i didnt get the movie i wanted to see because i wasnt the one funding and making it. So why are all these other weirdos coming out about it?
People dont get that just because a movie sequel dont go a certain way dont mean the creators hate them, its one thing to have love for a character but the parasocial level that the first movie generates when Joker has went through worse? Clearly its not the director who is the problem
@@CraftyArts imagine calling literally almost every reviewer an Incel because they think that a bad movie is fucking bad.
@@scp-507 yeah, good thing i didnt do that. Anyways i think the movie overall looks lacking. At least doug can describe how a movie is bad without spinning it into some weird culture war bs a lot of other reviewers are doing. Or again acting like there was a conscious effort to "attack the fans of the first one" whatever that even entails within the context of the movie.
All I'll say is that while it was nice to see Joaquin Pheonix reprise his role as Joker, Apart from that the entire movie was a disaster.
Jaoquin Phoenix deserves a better Joker sequel, honestly.
Exactly.💯💯💯💯
@@chasehedges6775 So true.
agreed! Although I'm happy he's not being shoehorned into the DCU/Matt Reeves Batman Universe
Sounds like Smile will make more ppl smile than the Joker will
Now THAT is a movie that deserved a sequel. Not that the original was great, but it had an idea that could be expanded upon.
2:39 - 3:04 Ironic, how people who actually can sing are being intentionally directed to *not sing well.* It's like the opposite of the Mamma Mia cast, where no one can sing well at all, yet they're told to belt it out until their voice cracks, and then they'll auto-tune the s-t out of it in post.
Speaking of *if they had written their own songs,* can you imagine if they had the lyricists of The Greatest Showman to write a Joker musical?
I for one am shocked the director of The Hangover II and Hangover III made an unnecessary sequel. Shocked I say!
Well, not that shocked.
Remember when NC reviewed Justice League and portrayed Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Shazam and Joker as big box office successes? Yeah, what about their sequels?
Should have followed the plan of the cinematic universe.
Warner Bros had way too many people clamoring for power at the time
That’s why no more DCEU
You know that would make for a great hypothetical sequel to that review really.
@@user-dr2yz8um3d And why James Gunn has a plan to fix everything by just making everything like what Marvel's doing with the MCU.
@@kdusel1991I’m down for that if that is the plan.
Reminder to everyone: you aren’t sick of the mcu because you’re fatigued from superheroes.
You’re fatigued from bad writing. I know you all saw guardians 3. The Numbers don’t lie.
If the new DC universe is like golden age marvel then it’ll be great.
If it makes you feel any better, Todd Phillips said he's done with DC after this film.
"I feel like my time in the DC Universe was these 2 films"
😂
You can't fire me -- I quit!
Well Warner Bros forced him to make this so this was his way of giving the middle finger to them on his way out.
If his brother Melvin doesn't make an appearance, I swear to god.
Melvin, brother of the joker....yeah he saw the film and.... the film was so BAD it turned him SANE. Melvin's since deceided to abandon crime, and had gone back to school to become a Dentist.
They still need to find the right actor to play him.
Melvin: Omelette du Fromage
Out of all the songs for these two movies how could they never have Everybody Loves a Clown by Gary Lewis and The Playboys
I didn't know this movie was a musical, and for the first time ever in my movie going experience, the theatre slowly emptied out. I was with a group of four, and the theatre was packed. By around the third song, the crowed went from around 100, to just 20 by the end of that song. The movie is a slow start, and stays slow for a long time. It had interesting ideas and it didn't land on any of them mostly because it was way too interested in the fact that they had a Harley character to capitalize off of.
Also, I saw that Lady Gaga said that the movie isn't a musical, but that "the characters express themselves through song." is not a good look. They clearly didn't have a lot of faith in the musical aspect, and it really shows.
My question is why?
Wasn't Joker just a one off because it's about what's true?
Was Arthur imagining the whole story?
Did he do all this?
who are his real parents?
etc
EXACTLY! It’s should be a standalone.
don't give them the "It was all a dream so we can waste your time." excuse
If this was Todd's way of telling the studio that they shouldn't have made a sequel, I applaud him.
Nah, he's a hack who constantly ruins his own work in sequels, this isn't new
Soooo true.
@@TheSoulWithin7 The Hangover movies being Prime Examples of that
Now get ready for Joker 3: Joker goes Hawaiian
@chasehedges6775 the first one wasn't even that good but my God those sequels were awful
As a huge fan of musicals, the musical elements of this movie feel like what people who hate musicals THINK musicals are like. Just random songs that completely interrupt the story with no reason or substance to them. Musical numbers are supposed to help tell the story and develop the characters, they don’t do either in this movie.
WELL SAID!
Excellent point!
called it.
As a huge musical fan that's just sad to hear
Exactly
Instead of Joker 2, the sequel they should've done is Harley Quinn. Follow the story of Harley Quinzel and how she became Harley Quinn. And of course, the Joker will feature in it and you can expand on his character too.
Bah, Harley as a whole is so damn annoying.
The story is about Arthur Fleck, and some dressing of Harleen Quinzel, its not necessarily a movie that follows their relationship to a T
I thought they were going to do the kind of backgrounds of other Batman villains
That would have been cool
I legitimately didn’t know this film was about to release. I knew it was October but I have received 0 advertisements for this film
It's like Todd forgot that even with a satire you still need to make something that's, you know, good.
I think the main downfall of this sequel is that, like many sequels, it got too focused on the popularity of its predecessor and attempted to recreate the impact all the while forgetting that a sequel should be making the story and characters experience new things.
Say what you want about Toy Story 4 (A GREAT movie, in my opinion but that's me), but it DID TRY to give new experiences to the characters.
Yeah, I loved Toy Story 4 for years for actually moving forward. Then I saw all the hate it gets. Still love it but I think most people were angry cause 3 ended so well. I still want another, animation has come so far nowadays and I feel like 5 could finish it off.
If it doesn't happen I can live with 4 amazing films
This 100%
Hard agree. Despite Toy Story 4 following the familiar narrative of a toy getting separated and the others having to rescue it, the setting, lessons and direction was completely different, the weight of last scene felt real and went completely against what one would expect from this franchise.
In my opinion, a movie can follow the familiar path, so long it does it well and allows characters to grow
Welp, so much for a review of Transformers One again. Gonna take a shot in the dark that he just wont see it all.
Wanna push for him to watch it?
IT’S SO GOOD
Nah, he saw the other GOAT animated movie
He apparently hasn't watched Rise of the Beasts either, which is better than all 5 of the Bay films. Though Bumblebee is the best of the live action films.
@@davidstone281 By a wide margin.
OH, I get it now! It's not "Folie à Deux" because Harley shares Joker's insanity - but because audience will have to become insane to belive this half-baked sanitized mess.
@@spiderlily723 the deax is todd phillips and joaquin
One of the most miserable Movie experiences I've had in a while, and I saw The Crow 2024.
we can't all be masochists.
@@craigrobbins2463 is the crow remake bad? Tbh I'm scared.
@@FullmetalNinja25 I highly doubt this is worse than The Crow 2024.
@@kdusel1991Crow 2024 put me to sleep in the 1st 15 mins and when I woke up and watched the rest of the movie. I said, " why is he such a wimpy simp"
Nah Crow 2024 put me to sleep 15 mins in and the rest was cringe. If i don't come out of this movie with that same experience it's not that bad and the only movie I ever asked for a refund back for was Alien Convent
People are definitely "Not Getting Happy" With this 😆
💯
@@chasehedges6775 is it really that bad though? The production value looks really good.
@@kdusel1991 It does look good in terms of production design but that’s not saying much.
Since when are they? There is no one perfect movie everyone likes bro
At this point, anything WB related that shoehorns Harley Quinn is going to be terrible.
Idk I kinda liked Birds of Prey. And I'm interested to see what Lady Gaga brings to her version of the character. Also The Suicide Squad was fucking awesome!!
Uh huh. -_-
@@JusticeForPottsvilleMaroons The Suicide Squad was awesome, tf you yapping about?
@@brucesnow7125 that is like the only decent thing the character has been in lol
@@brucesnow7125 I really really liked the suicide squad! It gave more respect to her character than the first one. I'm glad James Gunn is in charge of DC now.
Remember when Joaqiun Phoenix and Todd Philips pretty much said they didn't want to ever do a sequel? How much are you willing to bet they only made the sequel because the sequel forced them to?
That's what I've been telling people. WB practically forced them to. This is basically Phillips way of giving them the middle finger.
Remember that naruto meme of itachi holding sasukes neck telling him that the reason he can't beat him is because "he lacks hate"
Well the peguin show just came out and its great and now is holding this movies neck telling it that the reason why is a not a good stand alone story in the batman universe is because "he lack ambition... and ratas aladas"
Whenever Todd Phillips gets to make a sequel. Just say no!
“NOOOOO”
-Vader
having lady gaga not sing well in a musical based movie is nuts btw
Instead of Joker Folie A Deux. I would have wanted a new story of Joker in short words "I'm not exactly sure what happened. Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice."
That would be so much more interesting.
except that line has always been a lie from one of comics greatest deceivers, he HAS a confirmed origin in the Ace Chemicals event. It's the entire reason json Todd took the Red Hood persona.... and Jokers family seen in the flashbacks of Killing Joke, were real, and still alive.
@@SA80TAGE Yes, but even that story has its flaws. For example, the Joker is portrayed as sympathetic in his telling of the story, and then it was shown that he wasn't anything like he said he was.
From what I’ve been hearing about this, This has to be written as a troll movie on Warner Bros’ part. It HAS to be
The original might've already been a satiric troll movie - the Joker himself calls it a "comedy" - it accidentally resonated too well and then this one is mocking anyone for taking it seriously. Todd Phillips seems like an immature, rich nihilist out of touch, he's exhausting. The Hangover 3 is just so bad ok
If you put the whole plot on paper, it sounds like it should be an off the wall sequel.
I wish they followed up with a different villain like Harvey Dent and had him working on Arthur's case as he's becoming Gotham's DA dealing with split personalities.
Then they could have called it "Joker 2 (Face)"
@@connoromalley4004 Joker II Face
This is the route I think they should've gone with. Instead of a Joker 2, make a standalone Harley Quinn movie in the same universe. It essentially is a sequel because Joker will feature in it but have the focus more on how Dr Harley Quinzel became Harley Quinn while also developing Joker's character.
And then they can also do Joker 3 but name it Two-Face
a psuedo interconnected Anthology Series, could be a foot note to his rise to power, the many roads not taken
This movie was made with Brand X
*Foodfight Flashbacks* Nooooooo!
But with new and improved Joker products....I get a grin again and again.
Brand X, Brand X, it's simple and plain
Brand X, Brand X, it's different but all the same
Lol
Shyamalan: No…just…just no….
I'm disappointed you didn't do this as Melvin I actually like that skit
My sister will hate . hate . hate this movie when she goes to see it tomorrow. She's so pumped up 🤣
Honestly, Gary's scene was by far and away the best one of the movie.
Remember, you could've seen Transformers One instead
I hope that this help the box ofice of transformers one
Or The Wild Robot, that's the movie of the year as far as I'm concerned
He the Transformers fan better see Transformers One
@@downspiral he said the reception made him excited to see it last week on one of his QnAs so I hope he does
This movie was just torture corn. I really was not a fan
Sounds about right. Not gonna see it and watch something else instead
@@chasehedges6775 suggest either watch the wild robot or transformers one those both those movies are legitimately fantastic especially the wild robot. I recommend it.
So what you're saying is the film isn't a-maize-ing?
well, shucks.
@@DeceivingStareYTP 💯
I warned Warner Brothers not to make a sequel, it should've been a one shot
THIS💯💯💯
The first was terrible
Lesson of the story: Just let the movie be standalone.
👎👎. Nope.
Why didn't Warner listen to you?!
_"What? You loved and supported my first movie? Why thank you sooo much! ... lol JK. Perish, scum!"_ - Joker 2
oh man, yes, he hates you if you liked Joker.
@@TALLPANZER It's what it feels like when you know the spoilers to this movie. The whole thing is written like the first movie was a mistake.
@@keystrix3704 because it was
@@TALLPANZER Ninja, please.
I wish they had leaned into the multiple choice aspect of Joker, ie recurring tropes but completely different cast, time period, and topics.
Oh my god that would have been perfect! And fix my big issue with the first Joker movie
@@SuperSwordman1 The first Joker movie does exactly what you say you want. There are a lot of contradicting details when you pay attention
@@ReeceHorne-c1w I'll have to take your word for it. I checked out of that movie way to easily and I"m not giving it a second chance.
this movie was so pointless and ruined the first one
💯💯💯. Glad I didn’t see it. Best decision ever
This is the kindest review to this film on the internet.
Its not, lots of critics do like how different it is, dont get blindsided by the hate campaign, its like the delulu folks thinking Aquaman 2 is a flop
@@lulukulu5489 Aquaman 2 made $718 million less worldwide than the first one. *Relatively speaking* financially it was a flop (and the critic and audience scores are all lower than the original). I don't think I'm too biased, I didn't hate it, it was like 6/10. You may be the Delulu one here sadly 😞
The songs represented the 'future faking' (a term used to describe an aspect of narcissistic abuse) that the characters do to themselves and each other.
So... there's definitely going to be an edit where the musical numbers are cut out anf it'd play better?
Perhaps?
I mean arthur fleck is crazy and i feel like the music scenes are him going back and fourth from his fantasy to reality like how that whole fake relationship ship with sophie, and i do like the ending it basically show that everyone abandoned him when he didnt want to be the joker, while showing anyone could be the joker if theyre pushed to it
Exactly! I get that the musical numbers were not everybody's cup of tea, but the ending was really good!
If they wanted to do this. It should have been a story of Arthur trying to rehabilitate, meeting Harley and starting to mentally crack. The ending sequence should have been in the middle somewhere and then by the trial he should have just been full Joker, no Arthur, just Joker, full chaotic Joker but instead they didn’t and they went the complete wrong direction and it was so frustratingly disappointing
really should've gone the Anthology Route than this, imagine a Joker take on Penguin, Two-Face, and Clayface, aiming at High Society, Politicians, and even Hollywood itself, The Penguin Show seems to take that Route from what I hear so why couldn't they, but again, this is WB we're talking about, so it's not surprising, just a Road not Taken
Is it just me, or does modern DC suck at sequels? Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman, and Joker, all great films that somehow end up with sequels that are either mixed, mediocre, or just plain bad. The Suicide Squad is the only exception, but even that movie feels so detached from the original, it might as well not even be a follow up to it.
Folks just dont get this Joker is not the Joker that they were expecting, it flew on peoples head
Anyone else notice the cat hair on the mic? It's a losing battle, I just noticed it.
Well. After seeing it. I can say...expectations have been subverted. And that's not good.🥴 But I will further clarify. If you are looking for something to watch purely carried on drama enhanced actor performances. Then oh boy has this movie got you covered. But if you are looking to indulge in virtually anything else for viewer entertainment. Then this film will not sway you in the very least.😅
This is what happens when you make your project a vehicle for a singer like lady gaga. For further reference, watch AHS
What's ahs
@@cameodamaneoProbably American Horror Story.
this is a joke right?
@@jlev1028 Damn man, they should've just said that then. I don't know every acronym in existence. Thanks for telling me though
What if the movie was from Harley’s point of view where we see her romance with joker as a fairy tail love story before at the end revealing that joker did nothing but abuse and manipulate her, and her fragile desperate to be loved mind translated it differently before her eyes are opened but she’s already too far in to risk losing what she believes is all she can get
They should have left it alone.
Why does Hollywood ruin everything???? I thought Joker was going to be the start of an entire set of background studies into Batman villains
Like, next would be Penguin, Scarecrow, Poison (Ivy) and so on
PLEASE review Transformers ONE! I don't even watch Transformers movies and shows, but it's tradition!
Nice Alastor poster in the back
Oh I just noticed that now. The radio demon hears all. 😂 📻 😈
Does anyone remember "Natural born killers" by Oliver Stone? About rampage of a maniac couple and society obsession with them? I was hoping for similar overall idea tbh.
Could you please do these as part of FanScription
• What if Disney’s Cinderella didn’t make it to the ball (Disney’s Cinderella 1950movie)
• What if Bambi's Mother survived (Disney’s Bambi)
• What if Flik and Atta had children (A Bug's Life 2)
• The Incredibles vs The Sinister Six (Doctor Octopus, Electro, Kraven the Hunter, Mysterio, Sandman and Vulture)
• What if DreamWorks’s Rise of the Guardians 2 happened?
• What if Disney’s Tarzan and friends found an unground world with dinosaurs and a lost civilization of people who mistake Jane as a Goddess (Disney’s Tarzan 2)
• What if Elsa was the main villain of Disney’s Frozen
• Batman vs The Green Goblin
• Spider-man vs The Joker
• What if The Evil Queen (from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 1937movie) had won?
• What if Ridley Scott directed Alien 3
I’d really like to see that Incredibles idea
Yeah, it’s been over six months Since They’ve done fanscription. I hope everything’s all right…
Yeah, this movie really didn't need a sequel to be honest, despite having potential. Leave it to Warner Bros to milk something until it becomes rotten.
BTW Doug, I hope you can please find the time to check out Transformers: One, I know you have a rocky relationship with the Micheal Bay Transformers movies but since this is an animated TF movie with no humans, it genuinely gives time to explore the robots and Cybertron on a deeper level as its genuinely the best Transformers movie Ive seen
Well at least you saw the movie. A whole slew of people seem to be judging it based on some interviews the director did and thinking he has it out for the "fans" of the movie or something on that level of pretentiousness.
I guess I'll just pretend that "Joker" was just a standalone movie in the tradition of other great "one and done" movies that never got a sequel, like "Highlander", "Blues Brothers", "Dumb and Dumber", "The Mask", "Caddyshack", Home Alone"...
Sorry if this comes off as pretentious, but I already wrote this off the second it was announced. Even if the film was as good as the first, all I could ask myself once it was announced was "why...?" And I know you can ask that with any sequel, but the first one is such an experimental type film that works in it's own little vacuum of chaos in uncertainty that sequelising it at all is pointless. Yes it's TECHNICALLY a DC film, but is it tho...? It's about Joker, but pretty much only in the metaphorical sense that can only work if you remove all factors of DC, Batman included, so why the hell do we need more of that? Pretty sure WBs was like "People loved Joker and it made us a shit ton of money, make another!" And when the studio was like "How the hell are we supposed to serialize a hyper experimental film, that is entirely standalone from any resemblance of DC, where the whole point of the narrative is it's all being drove by an untrustworthy pov...?" WBs said "Lol idfk, make it a musical or something" And since no one else had any better ideas (and I don't blame them 🙃) they just rolled with it. It'd be like trying to make a sequel to Fight Club, by the idea alone it doesn't work
lol somebodys never read fight club 2.
I was completely thrilled throughout the whole movie, and I loved the ending (and that the outcome was told in the intro).
I will admit that there were a bit too many musical numbers, but I liked how imperfect they were, as they all depicted Arthur's state of emotions.
That they were a dysfunctional couple was based on the fact that Lee was not interested in Arthur, only in his shadow, the Joker.
And this is the final outcome. Arthur created the Joker, but he _isn't_ the Joker, and neither is the guy in the final scene. Joker is an idea that will get picked up by / infect any individual broken enough, only to be consumed by it as well.
In a way, the movie even foreshadows the reaction of its audience via the reaction of the Joker fans in the courtroom, when Arthur admits that he is not Joker. This was the spark many of them needed to take up the mantle, as we saw in the final scene(s). Their disappointment and anger was the seed to grow many more "Jokers", the shadow lives on while consuming its creator and very likely all following hosts.
It's sad to see how people are not interested in such an amazing concept. I loved this movie.
Hey Doug, for Nostalgiaween this year, do you plan on reviewing any of these movies:
The Ring II
Rob Zombie's Halloween II
Basket Case (1982)
Werewolf by Night (Marvel Special Presentation)
The Dark Tower
Smile (2022)
Final Destination
Jeepers Creepers
The Gingerdead Man
Thankskilling
It's about what I expected: it's a Todd Phillips sequel. I don't think anybody here was seriously thinking it was going to be a masterpiece from *this* director.
Hey hey hey! "Singing in the Rain" ain't everyone's cup of tea, and I get that; but it is a million times better than "La La Land."
Singing in the Rain is about joy and sincerity,
La La Land is about dissonance, everyone in it is fake and miserable throughout and idk why people like it at all
I cried at the first of these movies.
I lost my healthcare at a time when i needed it the most and had to stop taking all my medications.
Joker hit home 🎉 i think I'll leave that undisturbed and not watch the second one
Wish this was actually a film about “Joker meeting Dr.Quinzel”
Not “Joker meeting Lady Gaga”
Tell me you don’t know the characters your writing, without telling me Ah film.
How could they fumble so bad, that fans can always write a better script compared to Hollywood lol.
Imagine if they made a Super cut that mixes Folie à Deux with the 1st Joker movie
They're just doing the same to Lady G as they did Elvis Presley, I'm surprised they didn't just get her to sing her own songs throughout.
Over the course of the past year, I have attended screenings of various sequels in theaters, including Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (7/10 on IMDB, 77% on Rotten Tomatoes), Deadpool & Wolverine (7.9/10 on IMDB, 78% on Rotten Tomatoes), Dune: Part Two (8.5/10 on IMDb, 92% on Rotten Tomatoes), Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga (7.5/10 on IMDb, 90% on Rotten Tomatoes), Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire (6.1/10 on IMDb, 42% on Rotten Tomatoes), and Inside Out 2 (7.7/10 on IMDB, 90% on Rotten Tomatoes), with Joker: Folie à Deux (5.5/10 on IMDb, 39% on Rotten Tomatoes) standing as the sole exception. Due to its mediocre ratings, I will choose to stream it on Max instead of watching it in theaters or on Blu-ray, reserving my Cinemark Movie Club benefits for Sonic the Hedgehog 3.
I’ve had people tell me not to watch it because of how much it’s ending will negatively impact your viewing experience if the first film. Spoilers after loosing his trial and Harley; it’s implied the guards at Arkham r*pe Arthur then they have him get shanked to death by an inmate who then cuts his face like Heath Ledger as the camera zooms on Arthur’s dying face. I’m not making that up.
@@unevenstreets1182 I don’t mind the spoilers at all. I believe you because I have already looked up the plot on Wikipedia.
Todd wanted to make a movie about the mind of an insane traumatized man, but for some reason they also made the man the Joker, despite the fact that they clearly didn't want to write anything particularly Joker related.
How fucking dare you not give this review as Melvin (brother of the joker)
A love story, like Hannibal, misunderstood by most people.
This film had no reason to exist, let alone be a musical.
Sooooo true
The trailers showed a total different movie. Wtf
Interesting, this is one of the more positive reviews that I've seen. I respect that.
A film where Two friends became enemies will make you smile more than whatever this is.
Hard no
As a fan of joker
This is insulting.
Should just release the ayer cut then give these characters a nice long break
The first Joker, I gave a 10/10. This one I gave a 7/10. Didn't hate it, but... Let's put it this way, today I watched this followed by Saturday Night, and Saturday Night ended up being my favourite of the two.
Knew this movie was gonna be disappointing.
Winky: Doodie a Dook
Honestly this movie feels like wb giving the fans a big middle finger and telling us to fuck off.
Imagine if youtube didnt nuke nostalgia critics channel and this review was a hour long one with costumes skits and original music/singing?
This idea that Todd did it as a fuck you to the film studio wanting to make a second one is complete bullshit because he still didn't have to do it and it is inconsiderate of the fans. Feels more like a 'fuck you' to us and is insulting quite frankly.
*Biggest disappointment in recent memory!* Candidate for worst film of the year!
It would seem that Joker has become the latest in a long line of films that fell into that pitfall of "This shouldn't have had a sequel." It is a shame too since one can argue that Joker definitely was a fantastic title for what it was and even if we were to remove the aspect of "Oh, this is set in a comic book world!" Joker still would have done well (even if it was just a random guy who calls himself Joker).
But yeah, I've heard other reviews and how there is the same sentiment of how this feels like this shouldn't exist. Not to say it didn't deserve a sequel, but it would be difficult to make a sequel to Joker (and clearly the end result does leave a lot to be desired). Going to be a miracle if there is a third one, but from what I've heard how this film ends... yeah... I don't think there will be a "Joker Part 3."
You could tell they had zero interest and zero plans on making a sequel Saw it last Monday
They should have just made Jim Steinman's canceled Batman musical.
How did it have a 200 million dollar budget!!??
Gosh, it's like the Director is telling you how much he hates the first film, and the ones that like it.
Hes a white dude too, he doesnt dislike you bro
Alastor from Hazbin Hotel has been added to the wall!!!
HELLO, GOTHAM!! JOKER'S BACK IN TOWN!!
Doug, I beg of you please do an Untitled Review Show episode on Transformers One, it’s a huge breath of fresh air for the franchise, on top of being a phenomenal origin story
Hearing about what the director’s thoughts on comic films in general are and how he felt about the reactions to the first movie not being what he wanted, you definitely feel like he was really overcompensating to make the audience feel how he wanted them too in a sense. I feel a lot more of movie makers are somewhat fighting with their audience these days due to personal differences in opinion and it should not effect the creative process this much.
Did Poison Ivy ghostwrite Doug's seed analogy? ;)
The next one should be a musical with Batman 😂
The songs NO need justification, IS LADY GAGA, MOTHER MONSTER SLAYS
The whole package os seeds point that Doug makes about the different ideas that they are trying to grow and it doesn't look like what they were going for reminds me of Simpsons episode where Homer tries to build a barbecue pit and he looks at the finished product after he's done building it than he looks at his and shouts "WHY DOESN'T MINE LOOK LIKE THAT!"
I liked the movie....but I also liked Metal gear solid 5 which has similar story. And a lot of people didn't like MGS5 for the same reasons.
The whole movie is a meta commentary on previous movie. First Joker setup a bar so high, put the expectation through the roof.
But then you have to ask yourself is barely educated abused Arthur able to live up to the character he created? To this grandious prince of crime who is bigger than life? He was doomed to be the god of his creation. Notice that at the beginning of the movie he was silent for almost I dont know 20 minutes before he had any line. And the entire time I kept thinking. What could he possibly say to convey that he is this confident and insane character. He couldnt, that's why he kept silent to prolong that mystique.
He was never the Joker. The perception of others made him to be the Joker. They seen in him something he wasn't. Which is entire point of the first movie. "I keep walking around and you dont notice me.", "If it was me dying on the sidewalk you'd walk right over me." Nobody gave or gives a damn about Arthur. Only after they seen something he created people noticed, not it wasnt him.
The scene with Garry was amazing because it showed Arthurs hypocrisy. He kept complaining that people dont see him yet he didnt see Garry either. Didnt even know his name.
The first movie with Joker is perfect. And thats the point of this movie. Living up to the expectations people created.Trying to be someone you are not. You can pretend you are someone else, but you can't do it for long and it won't make you happy.
In the end this movie is a joke........Knock knock....who's there?.....Arthur Fleck.......Arthur Fleck who?
I'm glad I didn't check it out. They lost me when I knew it was going to be a musical.
This movie gets one out of 10 burning stacks of money from The Dark Knight