These changes weren't by accident. If you look at what is different now or, better yet, what is more difficult to access now, we easily see that these changes were targeted at content creators. A neutered search function, delayed uploads of recent games, poor video quality, and the plethora of other changes make it a march through hell for someone trying to make a video about players or games. The NFL wants total control of its content. A downright monopoly. Don't get me wrong, a company has a right to the content it produces, however, it seems that the NFL has made it clear what its priorities are in regards to money and the community.
Right and it had potential to hurt young and aspiring coaches/scout. It’s very hard to get all-22 angles from interscholastic and intercollegiate programs, so getting it from NFL Game Pass was Gold! Glad they was able to get that solved. I am concerned on whether they make changes to the International subscription.
I've done quality assurance testing for a decade and yes, you're right that all those little user experience issues add up to huge frustration. Now obviously I'm speculating here, but all these changes were deliberate decisions to lower hosting costs and save them money. All those previous features have an infrastructure cost, whether it's a deep search of all the plays over the last 12 years or the number of concurrent streams fans are watching. I suspect the thinking was that they'd provide the bare minimum of features, and just hope that fans would grumble, but accept it. The NFL counts on their audience being captive because there isn't an alternative. Think about that before subscribing to 2022's game pass.
@@Clark_Kent_ZA They want to draw as many new subscribers internationally as they can as it's a fairly untapped market. So they probably won't remove those features outside the U.S. in hopes that it draws in more people. Here in the states, however, as John pointed out they are counting on fans being a captive audience, basically expecting them to continue paying regardless of the changes.
perhaps, but in reality, what they are trying to do is prevent the video from being on youtube for free. Screwing customers is as old as tech itself (right google?). The joke here is that they are not going to be able to keep their video from finding its way to free platforms. That not one company or sports league has been even a little interested in how to monetize that reality is the true indictment of these deadheads.
Glad somebody is talking about this I was a game pass subscriber since 2015, used it to watch all 22, we all got scammed this season and we need to put pressure on them as fans to fix it.
You should be a soccer fan in the UK, the cost to watch every game is £858 for the year to have all the streaming services. Not to mention that half the games arent even on UK tv because of an outdated law!
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I thought I was crazy. Gamepass is garbage now. We need to promote this video and post as much as possible. The NFL is becoming greedy again. If we don’t hold these corporates feet to the fire Will get an inferior product over and over. This happens to every great company, they bring in consultants to see how they can make more money on everything and so some penny pincher probably told them to monetize that content in three or four different apps. These are not inconvenient issues these were the reason we bought the damn subscription
Becoming greedy again? They never stopped! Theyre making money regardless so they can tweak and fuck with it as much as possible I'm sure the revenue from GP isnt nearly enough to warrant genuine interest in customer satisfaction
The biggest way to say fuck you to the NFL is to NOT PURCHASE THE PRODUCT ANY LONGER. Vote with your dollars. Circumvent the NFL and get the footage some other way.. I guarantee you it is out there.
As an international viewer, NFL GamePass has been decent for me. I get to watch every game live with little to no problems. However, the cost is enourmous, and I simply don't know if it's worth 100$/year for games that can be watches on illegal streams. From my experience the buffering is the same, delay is the same, and overall enjoyment. But I will probably end up buying it again next year, just for the convenience it brings!
@@toledoseahawks3348 I think it's the same in my country, but I used a VPN and bought it from India or Pakistan (i think), making it 100$. Just a tip for you, if you are going to buy it next year ;)
The UI of gamepass is straight up ass. Half the time it can't recognize that I am a subscriber even after I sign in and I have to reload the page multiple times until it register that I paid $100 dollars for this shit. Then each page within the website seems like it has to load 3 different times before I can finally interact with it. Seems like every week the replays take longer to upload, especially the all-22. Not resubscribing unless they fix all of the above at LEAST. No matter the cost, the extremely wealthy NFL can afford to fix it. Hold them accountable please!
I wanted to cancel my subscription as GamePass now on DAZN. They (DAZN) will not let me have GamePass now as I'm now in a country that they do not let people have access to their service, even if you have a GamePass subscription (Taken in my former Country) I have tried to cancel my subscription but cannot access the site to do so, This is a disgusting state of affairs for such a huge company to be doing this to customers.
I've also had issues with scrubbing leading to spoilers. For whatever reason when I watch a recent game, if I scrub at all or skip 10 seconds forward or backwards it just skips to the 4th quarter. That's just unbelievably frustrating.
As an NFL game pass international subscriber I think the worst thing about NFL game pass is how lazy they are with not removing the commercials during their original content. If you are using your laptop you have to manually skip the commercial breaks and you can't even tell exactly when they end so you have to click around many times just to get it right. For $115 annually they should at least have the courtesy to remove the commercials especially when the football season is only about half the year. They should make it easier to enjoy the NFL originals/programs content without wondering if the site is even worth paying for.
As a longtime NFL fan in Mexico, I used to use a VPN to access the US version of the service because it was just better. Had more content, All-22, etc. Then those features finally made it into the international version and one day they were just gone from the US one. And also the price went down to match the American version, Game Pass international used to be over 1500 USD a year, ridiculous stuff.
I used game pass for so many years. One day my friend showed me how he watches through illegal streaming and it was so much easier, intuitive, and better in every single way with no spoilers, without having to logout and login through my remote every single time. If I see another ‘pay $99’ on my already subscribed account, I’m going to loose it.
They need to add replays of every game all the way back to the merger. The app as it is is super buggy too. I’ll go to select a game from 2010 then it zaps it back to 2021 sometimes right before I make the selection. This only scratches the surface of the problems. Several games from 2009-2013 aren’t even on there…
Thank you! It was basically unusable and completely frustrating. Most people subscribed for the coaches film and they completely ruined it! I won’t subscribe again next season, if it’s the “new version”.
Coming from someone on the outside looking in: NFL or any "National" league within the states seems like a total business rather than actually caring about the sport or its people. Kinda reminds me of those memes, "pretends to be shocked" or Disappointed, but not shocked. Why continue features when you can just gut the product, have those same fans pay for it, and then within 2 years slowly add those features back in. Kinda like the Madden games. Great Video.
The update makes it unusable. You either crash upon opening the app, or you're always having connection problems no matter how strong your connection is. They also make it a pain to unsubscribe.
I was unable to be spoiler free on 90% of games. Going along with this if you watch on a tablet or phone and change the orientation it restarts the game. You then have to guess where you were and if you are off....more spoilers.
Try watching Game Pass on a smart TV, Fire Stick or PS4 app and cry as you go to skip past a commercial and the stream skips to the middle of the 4th quarter like clockwork. Oh and apparently you can't get the NFL app on Samsung and LG TVs?
Game pass international also costs $280aud which is about $200usd. Creeps up every couple of years. Not much alternative unless you want to watch the handful of games they cherrypick for live TV each week
I totally agree. Someone totally F-ed up Game Pass and it's sad. Used to be a great product. Now it sucks. And someone actually got paid a salary and bonus at the NFL, to mess up Gamepass. Sad.
“Stripped down vastly inferior product to what it used to be with deleted features, new annoyances and the same premium price tag.” If I didn’t know any better, I thought STE was talking about Madden.
Good to know Brett and I share your frustration! Between your channel and Brett's I get most of my best football info. Yall should collaborate on some content with the International Gamepass!
This is clearly an attempt at buffing US content creators. There several things the NFL doesn't want. They don't want someone who is not in their pocket becoming a voice of the league through highlights or breakdowns. They don't want anyone to make unquestionably better highlight reels than those in their pocket produce (which isn't hard to do save for the high drama that is nfl films.) Probably most subtly, yet very important is that the NFL is a highly curated television program. Anyone who has played any sport on a semi or professional level can attest to the fact that all that occurs within a game is not as clean, predictable or well-officiated as it appears to be on screen. This is especially true for football. The more worthwhile analysts and commentators break down the game using the 22 man footage the more this facade breaks. Getting a little off topic but this is one of the subconscious reasons many men truly miss playing sports - because they can't live as vicariously through watching the sport as they wish because deep down they know what is being presented isn't true to the experience of participating. Real fans of the game itself regardless of the brand that is the NFL love this raw perspective and deeper understanding of how the game unfolds. But they aren't the NFL's target audience. Rather the target audience is the most casual of fan who prefers the curated version of the game. The laughably long decline of the Madden franchise is a good example of this (among other things.) Appreciate this channel. Rant over 🙏.
I've been a subscriber to the European version of Game Pass for years, and it's absolutely terrific. I get that there are market restrictions in the USA - but here we can just live stream any game we want. It truly is any play of any game at any point of time. Blackouts is not a thing for us. I'm just very happy with my version of the product.
@@Chukuman00 Welp, at least for the Danish version I’m using I’ve never experienced it once. Then again, it is quite a bit steeper at $250 for the full season
I also have game pass it’s really brilliant if I’m honest …… apart from sky games which aren’t on which is annoying but it’s never the late games that are on on their own … so that’s okay 👍🏻
As someone who breaks down film for my job this is beyond maddening. I paid for the product when it was blacked out for it to come back like this and they refused to refund my money because it had been more than 2 days since I paid for the service.
This boils down to cutting costs and keeping a monopoly on the content they own. Too many people were using their search engine to rip plays for their RUclips videos.
They don’t realize they’re hurting themselves. An educated fan base wants to see the whole game, and will pay to do it. Without the film breakdowns enriching the fan experience people are only going to watch highlights
As someone who only used GP in 2021, I had no idea how much they neutered it compared to previous versions. Pretty clear that the NFL knew they could offer less for the same price and decided it was time to make a quick buck.
Pretty much the same story as madden, if I didn’t play madden 07 as a kid I wouldn’t have known how many features were removed while they continue charging the same price
it's crazy how shit like F1TV has archived races from the 80s and archives all sessions 2 days after they happen and somehow costs $20 less a year (the same monthly)
Congrats on ending the postseason victory drought! Should've happened in 05, but the NFL had to rig the Steelers a title, so Jerome bettis could depart on his swan song...
I live in Mexico and Gamepass has been awesome the past 2 years I've been subscribed. I don't remember which game but late in this season I remember the RedZone host saying something like "For our national viewers we'll send you to the CBS broadcast, international viewers you can keep watching here with us" and I was like damn, why do they give their main audience the worst version of their product? Then I remember when the chargers were still in SD (I live in Baja 50 minutes away from SD) they would black out the local games unless the stadium sold out IIRC, and we couldn't watch it on CBS or FOX so we just switch channels to Fox Spots Mexico. It certainly has it's perks living outside the US lol.
Yeah they do that in Jacksonville still and used to in Miami I'm not sure if they still do. Wanna watch the game but don't have money for tickets? Or maybe you're physically unable to go to the game? It's such a scam
NFL game pass is the next Madden. Have a product with a bunch of useful features, then remove those feature for no reason only to get them back, an unspecified amount of time later
@@kochevar99 of course you cant, but who really does that more than once or twice. $0 HD redzone and every game probably beats out these novelty items. And the most damning thing, the pirate streams are more consistent and dont constantly buffer over than anything ive paid for. If the NFL went to native 4K, all games, id spend money.
@@RayoAtra I get that. But this video is very specifically about not just the games but the special features. The all-22 and the search function is really important for football analysis. That is what he’s complaining about; those went away and the price is still $100.
This issue was the bane of my existence for a month. Hate the new changes. I had to get international gamepass and a VPN just to watch coaches film. Also cost me around 300 dollars. Complete joke. Great video, NFL fans and writers need to hold them more accountable
So do you have to VPN and "buy" the service overseas to use it that way? I have the US version and tried connecting to a VPN in the EU, and it wouldn't even let me login to my existing account.
2013: I had a free season of NFL Sunday Ticket with purchase of Madden 25 2014: I paid through the teeth to get Sunday Ticket last time I'd ever did this. 2015: I paid $99.99 for NFL Game Pass and didn't get to see Packers live but I did get access to all games in no huddle style. Cool, but not being able to watch games live drove me nuts. 2016: Watched NFL Games with Reddit Streams 2017: Watched NFL Games with Reddit Streams 2018: Reddit Streams shut down moved to Buff Streams 2019: Buff Streams again 2020: Found best stream site no pop ups *Stream East* 2021: *Stream East* Best thing NFL, NBA and even UFC PPV!!! 2022: *Stream East* Gonna ride this pony as long as she will go!!!
Basically you just outlined how major corporations end up frustrating their audience and pushing them towards...certain other sites. The plethora of streaming services trying to compete with Netflix made it hard to find a favorite shows and suddenly piracy was back on the rise. With greed comes the backlash
Damn this blows. Last year I went through the entire seasons all 22 while working out and it was a blast and the most I've learned from watching football ever. Oh well I guess the NFL doesn't want my money this year.
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As a developer, I'd love it if my users posted such a well made video describing issues with my systems... I hope those working at the NFL realize what a jewel of feedback you gave them and do something about it. That said, I'd rather chop my fingers off before letting my product be so bad it inspires videos about how bad it is
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!! I have no idea how this scam is never talked about. 3/5 main selling points on their OWN ADS barely function. The Sunday Ticket is hardly better.
Sunday ticket for the asking price is shit as well, I purchased it this season with the student discount to try it out and was not impressed at all. No choice of resolution, horribly outdated UI, and the quality overall of the footage seemed to be really bad (compared to what other steaming services offer). Oh and it’s only Sunday games.
When will be the time when we can see multiple games not in "service area" and see from all camera angles? I just want to watch it from the film perspective and be able to actually watch the teams I want to see. And no I don't want to switch to dish just to do that lol.
You can't say you're surprised, tho. NFL saw that c note a year for all that programming was peanuts. Just like when your Internet provider slows down your bw peak hours so you'll pay for unlimited. Greed, my friend. Simple greed. They got you by the satchel and they know it.
Hey, I tried to message this on your Discord, but apparently it doesn’t work like that. Which defense do you think was better, the ‘85 Bears on 2000 Ravens
I do think that the loss is more on the side of any content creator, like assessing draft picks over the years, which is a loss for the community as a whole.
Ill be canceling at the end of the season. My biggest complaint as a general NFL fan is that they don't remove the broadcast ads in a timely manner. I used to watch the full games a few hours after they played and there were not ads. Now even if I watch a few days after the ads are still there. Save your money and get an antenna and a DVR.
As a software engineer and some who who host side projects as well. I bet it also (but not entirely) has to do with the fact that they weren’t able to make that search very efficient and hosting 22 versions of the same play would also be expensive. I’m not sure if the NFL out sources their software or not as yes, it’s cheaper to hire someone from a third world country but what you realize is that it’s often not very efficient and you end up paying more for compute and storage. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to them as well as all the other things people are mentioning.
That being said, it’s not like someone from a 3rd world is just not capable, but typically the capable ones end up coming to the US. Though there has been a move to hire more in those places and allow people to stay. However, it’s probably hard for the NFL to compete with Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, etc when it comes to the best talent.
As a non-UA customer I've been fine with Game Pass - certainly beats trying to find a half decent (and not even half legal) stream and hoping it doesn't disappear half way through... Which was about the only way to watch games here in Europe before Game Pass. The feature I'm sad we no longer have is being able to subscribe to only one team's games. That was superb. You can oonly see your designated team's games, but at a considerably lower price. For me the current system - no one-team subscription - is rather costly, because I don't watch many games other than my own team's. But that's still the best option I have... I understand that they are important and very useful features, but I personally don't care about a lot of features like search and all-22, as I've never needed them. But their usefulness is obvious.
I just think it’s so funny that the NFL will do just about anything to monopolize their content when their so bad at marketing the sport themselves (“super wild card weekend” and the Nickelodeon slime game). Like don’t you realize that the only thing keeping your viewers intrigued are the small self-run RUclips accounts like Brett Kollman and The QB School? Without them, the NFL would be obsolete in 15 years
I don't think accounts with less than 500K subscribers are keeping the general football viewership engaged. People love football and want to watch it regardless of the marketing. If the marketing is poor, it just won't bring in fans who were already uninterested.
It's kind of weird that there's such a massive difference between the national and international version of "the same product", and I can absolutely understand feeling pissed at that gutted product. As a foreigner I pretty much only use it just to catch live games and games on demand, since I life in Europe and the sport streaming services only have a couple different games each week. Also, only 99 USD per year? Damn. I pay almost three times as much for the international version.
Now that ESPN has returned to South Africa. The South African version no longer has Live Regular Season Games, instead we get Live Playoffs and the Super Bowl. But also they are charging us $17.99 annually
how strange, in Australia our ESPN plays live games each week, also has Red Zone and our gamepass has all the games live as well, strange they would strip it in South Africa like that
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These changes weren't by accident. If you look at what is different now or, better yet, what is more difficult to access now, we easily see that these changes were targeted at content creators. A neutered search function, delayed uploads of recent games, poor video quality, and the plethora of other changes make it a march through hell for someone trying to make a video about players or games. The NFL wants total control of its content. A downright monopoly. Don't get me wrong, a company has a right to the content it produces, however, it seems that the NFL has made it clear what its priorities are in regards to money and the community.
Only workaround would probably be a VPN to access the international version
Right and it had potential to hurt young and aspiring coaches/scout. It’s very hard to get all-22 angles from interscholastic and intercollegiate programs, so getting it from NFL Game Pass was Gold! Glad they was able to get that solved. I am concerned on whether they make changes to the International subscription.
praying on our downfall
@@CHRISPYakaKON thats the part that makes me not believe the conspiracy. Content creators are largely gonna know how to use a basic VPN.
@@CHRISPYakaKON you didnt finish the video
I've done quality assurance testing for a decade and yes, you're right that all those little user experience issues add up to huge frustration. Now obviously I'm speculating here, but all these changes were deliberate decisions to lower hosting costs and save them money. All those previous features have an infrastructure cost, whether it's a deep search of all the plays over the last 12 years or the number of concurrent streams fans are watching. I suspect the thinking was that they'd provide the bare minimum of features, and just hope that fans would grumble, but accept it. The NFL counts on their audience being captive because there isn't an alternative.
Think about that before subscribing to 2022's game pass.
Excellent point.
But then how do you explain the international version still having most of its features
@@Clark_Kent_ZA They want to draw as many new subscribers internationally as they can as it's a fairly untapped market. So they probably won't remove those features outside the U.S. in hopes that it draws in more people. Here in the states, however, as John pointed out they are counting on fans being a captive audience, basically expecting them to continue paying regardless of the changes.
@@danpalmer4135 fair point.
perhaps, but in reality, what they are trying to do is prevent the video from being on youtube for free. Screwing customers is as old as tech itself (right google?). The joke here is that they are not going to be able to keep their video from finding its way to free platforms. That not one company or sports league has been even a little interested in how to monetize that reality is the true indictment of these deadheads.
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Glad somebody is talking about this I was a game pass subscriber since 2015, used it to watch all 22, we all got scammed this season and we need to put pressure on them as fans to fix it.
They only listen to money. Everyone needs to unsubscribe for them to take action
Unsub and stop paying. Watch how the tables turn. Lol.
wait so does the us version not have live broadcasts of games?
You should be a soccer fan in the UK, the cost to watch every game is £858 for the year to have all the streaming services. Not to mention that half the games arent even on UK tv because of an outdated law!
God I love piracy
You mean football
@@pascho1057 Yes, but this is an nfl page. Clears up any confusion
@@cartman659 including Amazon prime as well!
WTF that's like 1000 usd
This is exactly what I’ve been looking for. I thought I was crazy. Gamepass is garbage now. We need to promote this video and post as much as possible. The NFL is becoming greedy again. If we don’t hold these corporates feet to the fire Will get an inferior product over and over.
This happens to every great company, they bring in consultants to see how they can make more money on everything and so some penny pincher probably told them to monetize that content in three or four different apps.
These are not inconvenient issues these were the reason we bought the damn subscription
Becoming greedy again? They never stopped! Theyre making money regardless so they can tweak and fuck with it as much as possible I'm sure the revenue from GP isnt nearly enough to warrant genuine interest in customer satisfaction
The biggest way to say fuck you to the NFL is to NOT PURCHASE THE PRODUCT ANY LONGER. Vote with your dollars. Circumvent the NFL and get the footage some other way.. I guarantee you it is out there.
As an international viewer, NFL GamePass has been decent for me. I get to watch every game live with little to no problems. However, the cost is enourmous, and I simply don't know if it's worth 100$/year for games that can be watches on illegal streams. From my experience the buffering is the same, delay is the same, and overall enjoyment.
But I will probably end up buying it again next year, just for the convenience it brings!
Man, I would love to pay 100. Here in Germany it cost 185 $.
@@toledoseahawks3348 I think it's the same in my country, but I used a VPN and bought it from India or Pakistan (i think), making it 100$.
Just a tip for you, if you are going to buy it next year ;)
@@magnus6042 Pretty sure thats a violation of the ToS. As I don't have financial issues, I see no need to risk a termination of my subscribtion.
@@toledoseahawks3348 wtf? In Russia they charge 199$!!!
@@KrasniyByk yeah, their prices are random. Our french neighbours pay 220 and the dutch 210. So it isn't even the same price in the same currency.
The UI of gamepass is straight up ass. Half the time it can't recognize that I am a subscriber even after I sign in and I have to reload the page multiple times until it register that I paid $100 dollars for this shit. Then each page within the website seems like it has to load 3 different times before I can finally interact with it. Seems like every week the replays take longer to upload, especially the all-22. Not resubscribing unless they fix all of the above at LEAST. No matter the cost, the extremely wealthy NFL can afford to fix it. Hold them accountable please!
I wanted to cancel my subscription as GamePass now on DAZN. They (DAZN) will not let me have GamePass now as I'm now in a country that they do not let people have access to their service, even if you have a GamePass subscription (Taken in my former Country) I have tried to cancel my subscription but cannot access the site to do so, This is a disgusting state of affairs for such a huge company to be doing this to customers.
The condensed version of the weekend's Bill's game started with 3rd down only.
I've also had issues with scrubbing leading to spoilers. For whatever reason when I watch a recent game, if I scrub at all or skip 10 seconds forward or backwards it just skips to the 4th quarter. That's just unbelievably frustrating.
As an NFL game pass international subscriber I think the worst thing about NFL game pass is how lazy they are with not removing the commercials during their original content. If you are using your laptop you have to manually skip the commercial breaks and you can't even tell exactly when they end so you have to click around many times just to get it right. For $115 annually they should at least have the courtesy to remove the commercials especially when the football season is only about half the year. They should make it easier to enjoy the NFL originals/programs content without wondering if the site is even worth paying for.
As a longtime NFL fan in Mexico, I used to use a VPN to access the US version of the service because it was just better. Had more content, All-22, etc. Then those features finally made it into the international version and one day they were just gone from the US one. And also the price went down to match the American version, Game Pass international used to be over 1500 USD a year, ridiculous stuff.
All of this and people are surprised that others illegally stream the games
The thing I miss is the local radio broadcast of games
I used game pass for so many years. One day my friend showed me how he watches through illegal streaming and it was so much easier, intuitive, and better in every single way with no spoilers, without having to logout and login through my remote every single time. If I see another ‘pay $99’ on my already subscribed account, I’m going to loose it.
I just watched the highlights of Rams-Bucs on YT because the condensed game on Gamepass crapped out on me five times in the first few minutes.
I also like when they show that the game went into OT. I love it won the first four quarters are inconsequential!
They need to add replays of every game all the way back to the merger. The app as it is is super buggy too. I’ll go to select a game from 2010 then it zaps it back to 2021 sometimes right before I make the selection. This only scratches the surface of the problems. Several games from 2009-2013 aren’t even on there…
Thank you!
It was basically unusable and completely frustrating.
Most people subscribed for the coaches film and they completely ruined it!
I won’t subscribe again next season, if it’s the “new version”.
I know Set The Edge is a football channel, but the same discussion can be had about NBA League Pass and MLB.TV as well.
Coming from someone on the outside looking in: NFL or any "National" league within the states seems like a total business rather than actually caring about the sport or its people. Kinda reminds me of those memes, "pretends to be shocked" or Disappointed, but not shocked. Why continue features when you can just gut the product, have those same fans pay for it, and then within 2 years slowly add those features back in. Kinda like the Madden games. Great Video.
The update makes it unusable. You either crash upon opening the app, or you're always having connection problems no matter how strong your connection is. They also make it a pain to unsubscribe.
Not to mention having ads on the full replay even though they have the ad-free versions after the game is over.
I am most pissed about the no spoiler function not working. when I click on games now i get the result.....
You know what happened?
Roger Goodell learned about it
I was unable to be spoiler free on 90% of games. Going along with this if you watch on a tablet or phone and change the orientation it restarts the game. You then have to guess where you were and if you are off....more spoilers.
The multi billion company finally got baldy a mic after like 5 years, so I do not expect them to change anything soon.
The 8-bit Them Changes is awesome
Try watching Game Pass on a smart TV, Fire Stick or PS4 app and cry as you go to skip past a commercial and the stream skips to the middle of the 4th quarter like clockwork. Oh and apparently you can't get the NFL app on Samsung and LG TVs?
“gonna make more consistent content” 💀💀
Im a bit new to the channel and my god every video has fantastic music put into it! Just hearing the Binding of Isaac shop theme made me happy alone
Game pass international also costs $280aud which is about $200usd. Creeps up every couple of years. Not much alternative unless you want to watch the handful of games they cherrypick for live TV each week
I totally agree. Someone totally F-ed up Game Pass and it's sad. Used to be a great product. Now it sucks. And someone actually got paid a salary and bonus at the NFL, to mess up Gamepass. Sad.
Props for the Comix Zone music!
Also it went offline right when most people’s cancellation window had closed and accounts recharged. At least that’s what happened to me.
I was thinking, this feels like one big VPN endorsement... and then 7:51 dropped 😂
You always have to login, when you come back once again.
This is why I even first considered VPNs and I don’t regret it now
Paramount plus adds do the same thing!! Ads stream better than actual shows...even when you downloaded the show!!
8 bit them changes in the background?
Why are you so mad dude? They said they apologize for any inconvenience.
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“Stripped down vastly inferior product to what it used to be with deleted features, new annoyances and the same premium price tag.”
If I didn’t know any better, I thought STE was talking about Madden.
Yup sounds exactly like madden
Literally sounds like madden
I thought is was shit before lol
This!
Fucking THANK YOU
Good to know Brett and I share your frustration! Between your channel and Brett's I get most of my best football info. Yall should collaborate on some content with the International Gamepass!
How come you don't get a checkmark??
The biggest sign that a company has gotten too big? They stop innovating and start doing things to actively make the user experience worse
Yep. So that way a few years in the future they can slowly bring it back
This is clearly an attempt at buffing US content creators. There several things the NFL doesn't want. They don't want someone who is not in their pocket becoming a voice of the league through highlights or breakdowns. They don't want anyone to make unquestionably better highlight reels than those in their pocket produce (which isn't hard to do save for the high drama that is nfl films.) Probably most subtly, yet very important is that the NFL is a highly curated television program. Anyone who has played any sport on a semi or professional level can attest to the fact that all that occurs within a game is not as clean, predictable or well-officiated as it appears to be on screen. This is especially true for football. The more worthwhile analysts and commentators break down the game using the 22 man footage the more this facade breaks. Getting a little off topic but this is one of the subconscious reasons many men truly miss playing sports - because they can't live as vicariously through watching the sport as they wish because deep down they know what is being presented isn't true to the experience of participating. Real fans of the game itself regardless of the brand that is the NFL love this raw perspective and deeper understanding of how the game unfolds. But they aren't the NFL's target audience. Rather the target audience is the most casual of fan who prefers the curated version of the game. The laughably long decline of the Madden franchise is a good example of this (among other things.)
Appreciate this channel. Rant over 🙏.
I've been a subscriber to the European version of Game Pass for years, and it's absolutely terrific. I get that there are market restrictions in the USA - but here we can just live stream any game we want. It truly is any play of any game at any point of time. Blackouts is not a thing for us. I'm just very happy with my version of the product.
Black out isn’t a thing? I live in London and do have blackout games every week regular season
@@Chukuman00 Welp, at least for the Danish version I’m using I’ve never experienced it once. Then again, it is quite a bit steeper at $250 for the full season
Blackout games in the UK when those games are aired on sky sports pisses me off, it's £150, I have game pass pro
I also have game pass it’s really brilliant if I’m honest …… apart from sky games which aren’t on which is annoying but it’s never the late games that are on on their own … so that’s okay 👍🏻
@@Chukuman00 what is it the Jaguars or does it rotate?
As someone who breaks down film for my job this is beyond maddening. I paid for the product when it was blacked out for it to come back like this and they refused to refund my money because it had been more than 2 days since I paid for the service.
This boils down to cutting costs and keeping a monopoly on the content they own. Too many people were using their search engine to rip plays for their RUclips videos.
They don’t realize they’re hurting themselves. An educated fan base wants to see the whole game, and will pay to do it. Without the film breakdowns enriching the fan experience people are only going to watch highlights
I've never had this product, and I FEEL the pain. Excellent storytelling
As someone who only used GP in 2021, I had no idea how much they neutered it compared to previous versions. Pretty clear that the NFL knew they could offer less for the same price and decided it was time to make a quick buck.
Pretty much the same story as madden, if I didn’t play madden 07 as a kid I wouldn’t have known how many features were removed while they continue charging the same price
it's crazy how shit like F1TV has archived races from the 80s and archives all sessions 2 days after they happen and somehow costs $20 less a year (the same monthly)
I love that this channel went from analysis and story telling to blatantly shit talking the NFL
You're going to get a hefty fine from the league
Thank goodness someone is finally bringing light to this.
Congrats on ending the postseason victory drought! Should've happened in 05, but the NFL had to rig the Steelers a title, so Jerome bettis could depart on his swan song...
@@elijahechicagobearsboyd5734 it should’ve happened in 2015 too lol we’ve been waiting too damn long to see our bengals in the Super Bowl
Classic NFL behavior they've done the same shit with Madden for decades.
man as an international gamepass user(germany) i did not know how bad this is in the US and now i am scared at what will happen to us as well! 🙈
I live in Mexico and Gamepass has been awesome the past 2 years I've been subscribed. I don't remember which game but late in this season I remember the RedZone host saying something like "For our national viewers we'll send you to the CBS broadcast, international viewers you can keep watching here with us" and I was like damn, why do they give their main audience the worst version of their product? Then I remember when the chargers were still in SD (I live in Baja 50 minutes away from SD) they would black out the local games unless the stadium sold out IIRC, and we couldn't watch it on CBS or FOX so we just switch channels to Fox Spots Mexico. It certainly has it's perks living outside the US lol.
Yeah they do that in Jacksonville still and used to in Miami I'm not sure if they still do. Wanna watch the game but don't have money for tickets? Or maybe you're physically unable to go to the game? It's such a scam
To be honest, the international version is far from flawless as well, but it stuns me, what the US get in their "GamePass"
NFL game pass is the next Madden.
Have a product with a bunch of useful features, then remove those feature for no reason only to get them back, an unspecified amount of time later
Just watch illegal streams guys they are so easy to find
Lol did you watch the video dude? Are there all-22 streams? Can you search by play in an illegal stream?
You obviously didn’t watch the video
@@kochevar99 of course you cant, but who really does that more than once or twice. $0 HD redzone and every game probably beats out these novelty items. And the most damning thing, the pirate streams are more consistent and dont constantly buffer over than anything ive paid for. If the NFL went to native 4K, all games, id spend money.
@@RayoAtra I get that. But this video is very specifically about not just the games but the special features. The all-22 and the search function is really important for football analysis. That is what he’s complaining about; those went away and the price is still $100.
@@MagicalBread yeah commented in the first 5 mins tbh
This issue was the bane of my existence for a month. Hate the new changes. I had to get international gamepass and a VPN just to watch coaches film. Also cost me around 300 dollars. Complete joke. Great video, NFL fans and writers need to hold them more accountable
So do you have to VPN and "buy" the service overseas to use it that way? I have the US version and tried connecting to a VPN in the EU, and it wouldn't even let me login to my existing account.
2013: I had a free season of NFL Sunday Ticket with purchase of Madden 25
2014: I paid through the teeth to get Sunday Ticket last time I'd ever did this.
2015: I paid $99.99 for NFL Game Pass and didn't get to see Packers live but I did get access to all games in no huddle style. Cool, but not being able to watch games live drove me nuts.
2016: Watched NFL Games with Reddit Streams
2017: Watched NFL Games with Reddit Streams
2018: Reddit Streams shut down moved to Buff Streams
2019: Buff Streams again
2020: Found best stream site no pop ups *Stream East*
2021: *Stream East* Best thing NFL, NBA and even UFC PPV!!!
2022: *Stream East* Gonna ride this pony as long as she will go!!!
Basically you just outlined how major corporations end up frustrating their audience and pushing them towards...certain other sites. The plethora of streaming services trying to compete with Netflix made it hard to find a favorite shows and suddenly piracy was back on the rise. With greed comes the backlash
Stream east is good but buffers slow at times and hate its behind by sometimes a whole half hour but I use it all the time
Crackstreams better
Gaben said it best. “Piracy is a service problem”
@@John-wb1ny blessed Gaben. But sadly even valve's products are trending in this direction
Thumbnail caught me off guard
We do apologize for any inconvenience
Damn this blows. Last year I went through the entire seasons all 22 while working out and it was a blast and the most I've learned from watching football ever. Oh well I guess the NFL doesn't want my money this year.
Another thing that wasn’t mentioned in the video: they completely removed the radio replay, literally one of my favorite features
its gone from the international version as well, i used to love that feature so i could listen to the local 49ers radio guys
This.
Packers fans: We’re going to breeze through the divisional round, then we can take care of business against either the Bucs or Rams!
Packers Special Teams: We do apologize for any inconvenience.
Good thing i just illegally stream games or use youtube tv
As a developer, I'd love it if my users posted such a well made video describing issues with my systems... I hope those working at the NFL realize what a jewel of feedback you gave them and do something about it.
That said, I'd rather chop my fingers off before letting my product be so bad it inspires videos about how bad it is
Probably has something to do with upper management to be honest and the actual employees making the product have no say in it.
Let's not forget that the broadcast for the Bills-Chiefs Divisional Round game was cut off right when overtime started.
Set the Edge hit that 200k subs. Congrats bro, you constantly kill it with the content. Looking forward to when you hit 300k
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!! I have no idea how this scam is never talked about. 3/5 main selling points on their OWN ADS barely function.
The Sunday Ticket is hardly better.
Noone is forcing you to buy it, don't like it don't buy it.
Sunday ticket for the asking price is shit as well, I purchased it this season with the student discount to try it out and was not impressed at all. No choice of resolution, horribly outdated UI, and the quality overall of the footage seemed to be really bad (compared to what other steaming services offer). Oh and it’s only Sunday games.
When will be the time when we can see multiple games not in "service area" and see from all camera angles? I just want to watch it from the film perspective and be able to actually watch the teams I want to see. And no I don't want to switch to dish just to do that lol.
You can't say you're surprised, tho. NFL saw that c note a year for all that programming was peanuts. Just like when your Internet provider slows down your bw peak hours so you'll pay for unlimited. Greed, my friend. Simple greed. They got you by the satchel and they know it.
Hey, I tried to message this on your Discord, but apparently it doesn’t work like that. Which defense do you think was better, the ‘85 Bears on 2000 Ravens
I do think that the loss is more on the side of any content creator, like assessing draft picks over the years, which is a loss for the community as a whole.
Paying to see commercial breaks every 2 minutes and waiting for the ball to get snapped. It's seems a pretty good good deal ☺️. NFL is trash 🗑️
Ill be canceling at the end of the season. My biggest complaint as a general NFL fan is that they don't remove the broadcast ads in a timely manner. I used to watch the full games a few hours after they played and there were not ads. Now even if I watch a few days after the ads are still there. Save your money and get an antenna and a DVR.
Fr they used to have that on the international Gamepass too now it takes weeks
They did because “amateur” analysts such as yourself greatly outperform the NFL paid “analyst” in explaining what we see on game day.
As a software engineer and some who who host side projects as well. I bet it also (but not entirely) has to do with the fact that they weren’t able to make that search very efficient and hosting 22 versions of the same play would also be expensive. I’m not sure if the NFL out sources their software or not as yes, it’s cheaper to hire someone from a third world country but what you realize is that it’s often not very efficient and you end up paying more for compute and storage. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to them as well as all the other things people are mentioning.
That being said, it’s not like someone from a 3rd world is just not capable, but typically the capable ones end up coming to the US. Though there has been a move to hire more in those places and allow people to stay. However, it’s probably hard for the NFL to compete with Google, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, etc when it comes to the best talent.
2020 game pass was great 2021 sucks I will not be returning for 2022... he'll I git the student price of 50 bucs and it still sucks and is not worth
Unfortunately, It is just another example of what the NFL really thinks about it's fan base.
Only way to force them to fix it is if people actually unsubscribe. Complaining but paying them money year after year wont solve anything
They destroyed a great product, smh NFL this is why I either illegally stream or just watch on my antenna for local channels
I have the international version because I’m from New Zealand, but it is very good, clearly better then this 😂
As a non-UA customer I've been fine with Game Pass - certainly beats trying to find a half decent (and not even half legal) stream and hoping it doesn't disappear half way through... Which was about the only way to watch games here in Europe before Game Pass. The feature I'm sad we no longer have is being able to subscribe to only one team's games. That was superb. You can oonly see your designated team's games, but at a considerably lower price. For me the current system - no one-team subscription - is rather costly, because I don't watch many games other than my own team's. But that's still the best option I have... I understand that they are important and very useful features, but I personally don't care about a lot of features like search and all-22, as I've never needed them. But their usefulness is obvious.
Quality videos every time man!!!
I just think it’s so funny that the NFL will do just about anything to monopolize their content when their so bad at marketing the sport themselves (“super wild card weekend” and the Nickelodeon slime game). Like don’t you realize that the only thing keeping your viewers intrigued are the small self-run RUclips accounts like Brett Kollman and The QB School? Without them, the NFL would be obsolete in 15 years
I don't think accounts with less than 500K subscribers are keeping the general football viewership engaged. People love football and want to watch it regardless of the marketing. If the marketing is poor, it just won't bring in fans who were already uninterested.
The nickelodeon game was for kids. I don't know why people are complaining. It's literally not meant for you.
Sounds like theres a NFL Gamepass Premium version in the works...
The game ass thumbnail might be one of the best thumbnails i've seen and love Thundercat in the background
Just wanna mention GamePass International is more expensive it's about 170$
Where’s the VPN sponsor when you need one? It honestly couldn’t get any more obvious than this!
Bruh why u paying for NFL pass ? Just use it as a tax write off bud and u get it for free 😉
All that missing content with no explanation....but miss one payment and watch what happens.
Does anyone know if the NFL is gonna fix this stuff for the 2022 season?
It's kind of weird that there's such a massive difference between the national and international version of "the same product", and I can absolutely understand feeling pissed at that gutted product. As a foreigner I pretty much only use it just to catch live games and games on demand, since I life in Europe and the sport streaming services only have a couple different games each week.
Also, only 99 USD per year? Damn. I pay almost three times as much for the international version.
its way more expensive in finland but at least we get live games
Now that ESPN has returned to South Africa. The South African version no longer has Live Regular Season Games, instead we get Live Playoffs and the Super Bowl. But also they are charging us $17.99 annually
how strange, in Australia our ESPN plays live games each week, also has Red Zone and our gamepass has all the games live as well, strange they would strip it in South Africa like that
6 months later, NFL+ is here now.