"Look across those fields brotha; you see those banners?" "The budget didn't allow for them so I won't even bother looking in their supposed direction"
Think what you will but they at least had reason to believe they had a claim. Renly is just like fuck this I want to be king and thought he’d build an army and wage a war, he was a baby. Truly the stupidest character in the series.
@@awesomecoolepicawesome That's more then the Targaryens ever had. They didn't even have an army, nor were they even born into the land they ended up ruling, they just had medieval wmds which no one could do anything about. At least for Renly, he had a lot of popular support to back his ambition, people wanted to see him on the throne without having to be threated with horrible gruesome death.
@Not Alfie Stannis has the strongest claim of all since he is next eldest of the Baratheon line, by medieval succession laws you can't get a better claim then that. Agree with you about Daenarys though, her family won their throne through the right of conquest and lost it in the same way, so she has to start again as a foreign conqueror with no legit claim. As is the trend of targaryens though you don't need to follow the rules when you got dragons to burn anyone you disagree with.
@@Derekivery Big Bob's "claim" to the throne was his family's distant relation to the Targs. That relationship provided the justification for some of the more legalistic lords to side with him over Aerys (he's the grandson of Rhaelle Targaryen, which makes him the great-grandson of Aegon V Targaryen). As to whether the Targs had any claim to the throne, yes and no. They don't because they were an outside invading force. They DO because "the throne" - as in the Iron Throne, the Kingship of all seven kingdoms as opposed to the individual kingships of each - didn't exist before the Targs came. Because the Targaryens literally created the "one kingdom" out of the seven, and thus created the position of king over all, the right to the Iron Throne starts and ends with their bloodline.
West Side is da best Renly had a much larger force and support of the people. You would be cocky and dismissive too in those circumstances no matter how “reasonable” the offer is
Maybe I need to rewatch the season, but I just can't see Renly as king. It seems like he only took the role because he felt like he had a chance to win. At least Stannis, the Lannisters and Robb had other goals in mind beyond just "I want to be king". Even as a lord (and a warden? I can't remember.) Renly's scenes show him more interested in lounging about the council meetings and banging Loras. I don't see any real sense of responsibility in him.
It was more than reasonable. Stannis had the only legit claim. Renly's claim was based on "i really want to be king because reasons. Also I did nothing to save ned stark and I refuse to pump out a brat so I am guaranteeing another succession crisis." Stannis was essentially giving renly all he tried to steal as long as he was willing to wait for it. If that beautiful dumbass had a lick of sense or patience, he would have gotten everything he wanted.
Did anyone else find it a bit rich of Cat Stark to chide Stannis and Renly for putting ambition ahead of blood when she did everything possible to make Jon Snow feel like a leper amongst his own blood relatives?
Cat Stark was full of hypocrisy and bias. She paraded a banner of justice and fairness but she had many many faults. Ned was much better than her in every way...his main fault was putting faith in Robert.
That really would have been the best outcome. Renly would have been a great heir for Stannis, so the succession would probably have been peaceful too after Stannis and Renly won and Stannis eventually died. The biggest problem they would face is converting the realm to the religion of the red god. They'd face the same problems as the Targaeryans or Cersei in the show
@Anthony Johnson that would have been possible but unlikely. His wife had lots of miscarriages but Stannis had shunned her bed for years. Maybe if he started shagging her again he'd have a son but who knows
@@dwild2565 If Renly wanted to be king, he should have accepted Stannis' offer, used the combined Baratheon and Tyrell forces to take Kings Landing, denying Tywin the Tyrell alliance, became the heir, then arranged an 'accident' for Stannis a couple years later.
Renly liked to dress up and act like a king, but he didn't know what it would take to be a king. He'd never witnessed the atrocities of war, it was a big game to him. It was all poetic and romantic like in the songs. 'You are knights of the summer, but winter is coming'. - Catelyn Stark
He was in Storm's End, starving with the rest of the city and although never taking it too seriously, was quite a capable lord on his own. Stannis wasn't the man his brother was, either. Robert Baratheon would have taken King's Landing before help could arrive, even the Hound had said that when Stannis was delayed by Blackwater Rush.
Even though he wasn't the rightful heir, Renly got the people from the Stormlands and the Reach to support him, creating a formidable army filled with men and women who would die for him. That's more kingly to me than Stannis, who had trouble even getting the lords surrounding Dragonstone to support him. Being a leader is not just about fighting but getting people on your side and uniting them. In the books, Renly doesn't even ask Robb Stark to surrender the north as long as he promises fealty. He was a clever, flexible leader that would have probably won the war if his brother had not relied on dark magic.
But the thing with King is that he is pretty much a figurehead because the Hand truly has the power. Renly wouldve been a good king because the people would ADORE him but Stannis as his hand would be phenomenal because he would run the kingdom with justice and a firm hand. Tbh that wouldve been the best duo but Stannis is so by the books that he needed to be king.
@@tavitakhan6944 Stannis would be a terrible hand for the same reasons he would be a terrible king. He follows the law to much and he serve the lord of light something the church of the 7 would rebel over. To sum it up. He unfriendly,too harsh and serves a foreign god. Also the lord of light said he had to burn anyone would didn't serve him. So stannis would have to kill everyone in westeros
rasheedqe that’s not true , a good king is one who follows law , that’s the first time I’ve heard someone argue that a bad king is someone who follows the law too much, didn’t you at the very least think before you wrote that? He followed a different religion? So? , didn’t ned follow the old gods ? Did anyone object to him being the hand of the king? Also , the lord of light never said that , he never said anything, he speaks through people and fire , and no one said that , on top in the books stannis is not as he is in the show (meaning he’s not a puppet of meli) he listens to her with a open mind , and has no problem calling her out for making certain claims or demanding some things , he is a very quite reserved man who thinks things through and has an open mind
I love what Martin said about that: "The peach represents... Well... It's pleasure. It's… tasting the juices of life. Stannis is a very marshal man concerned with his duty, and with that peach Renly says: "Smell the roses", because Stannis is always concerned with his duty and honor, in what he should be doing and he never really stops to taste the fruit. Renly wants him to taste the fruit but it's lost. I wish that scene had been included in the TV series because for me that peach was important, but it wasn't possible." it truly is a shame that it didn't make it into the show.
He didn't though. Renly grew up in Storm's End and was raised by Maester Cressen and other people serving at Storm's End. Stannis and him only spent a few years together
Renly had the support of all their bannermen, people loved him, and he'd be quite a good king. Better than Robb, Joffrey and even Stannis. Stannis never understood that a king is not a judge to rule over the realm. 'What claim my brother had when he took the throne, I ask you. He took it because he could. There is my claim, Lady Stark. All the chivalry of the South rides with me. And I want you to deliver your son a message. I intend to be a king, and being a king of a broken realm is not my intention. I'll name him lord of the North, I'll let him call himself the King in the North if he likes it so much, the title bears no meaning, so much so if he bends the knee to me and calls me his overlord' Renly wasn't a soft-weak craven as he was portrayed in the show. He was around 6'5'', quite strong, a pure reflection of Robert Baratheon.
@@Petey0707 Would he now? He could proceed with the peace. Understood warfare well enough, people united behind him, he wasn't a complete idiot like Robert, and was a capable man. Not the best king possible, but Stannis would make them miserable and Robert wasn't an actual ruler at all
@@subutaynoyan5372 Why would Stannis have made the people miserable? Time and time again in Game of Thrones it's shown that the people care little for who sits the throne as long as they aren't illogically cruel or bloodthirsty and don't adversely affect their lives. Stannis is rigid, yes, but he'd be fiscally responsible, just and capable of making measured decisions for the betterment of the realm. His detachment and obsessive sense of responsibility would have made him the perfect king in practice yet ironically made it impossible for him to secure the kingship. While I don't think Renly would be an awful king relatively speaking he's clearly more in it for the trappings that come with the crown and not the responsibility of wearing the crown. In practice he'd possibly grow to be a less debauched version of Robert. Robert wasn't always a drunken fool, he was driven to that state due to being unsuited for the responsibility that came with the crown.
Stannis' music theme was one of the very best, it sounds honorable and legendary and badass but very tragic at the same time. Ramin Javaadi was easily the best part of the show.
Imagine how much trouble could have been avoided if Renly had supported Stannis from the beginning along with Ned Stark... In the words of Breaking Bad's Mike, Renly just had to blow it up. Him, with his pride and his ego, he just had to be the man. If he'd known his place, done his job, they'd all be fine by now.
That whole plot device was ridiculous. Stannis was the older brother, period. Maybe he could have made Renly Warden of the South or Hand of the King or something, but the older brother is the heir. Is Harry going to claim the crown because people like him more than William? Ridiculous.
I just realized if Renly had accepted and simply assasinated Stannis once he was King (of course by an anonymous killer) he would've become King anyways.
I don't think Renly (book or show wise) really wanted his brother dead. Stannis is a different beast, but then again, in Clash of Kings he was a different man to what he was in later books you know. He regrets killing his brother in the books. That's the main difference between Stannis in the show and in the books. In the show he is becoming more and more spiteful, vindictive and lustful, Mel's puppet if you will, while in the books he is becoming more likeable as the story progresses.
"He knew how to dress and he knew how to smile and he knew how to bathe, and somehow he got the notion that this made him fit to be king." Queen of Thornes "Renly would have been the best dressed king ... and that's about it." Jaime Lannister Renley was definitely a side character. Sure, he had a big chance to become king, but that's just because Robert gave him Storm's End and he was boning Loras. His entire role is mess things up for Stannis out of pure selfishness and then die.
"I Suppose if you used the same one, the battle would be terribly confusing..." ... "Born amid salt and smoke, is he a ham?" Oh, Renly. Your trolling skill was your gift, and your downfall.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 At this point, Ser Davos hasn't had a chance to really stand out yet (at least as much as he would in the future). Renly would need seasoning in case of potential kingship and Ser Davos is not a power-hungry man - he'd have been very content simply being Admiral, I think, and his skills would have suite that role well.
With a series like this, good is a hard word to properly define. Of all the people who want to be king, Stannis would be the one most likely to put the interests of the realm first. He would be harsh, but fair, and would be pretty much incorruptible. People argue that the red priestess has him wrapped around her finger, but that's debatable. Stannis is my favorite character too, and he's got a really fun story arc.
If all 3 Baretheon brothers got on they would have been unstoppable and still running Westoros until maybe Daenerys turns up with her dragons and armies in tow
Daenarys wouldn't have gotten close to them without Jorah, Tyrion and Ser Barristan, all of which would be in Westeros supporting the Baratheons (assuming Jorah was allowed back after Ned's death).
@@charliedeguil1415 Selmy would have stayed with the brothers, Jorah will remain loyal to Daenerys as he is in love with her and so will Dario. Tyrion will not jump ship as he won't be framed for Joffery's death and murder Tywin as Margery will be with Renley. Danerys will have her dragons, Unsullied and maybe the Dothrahi. Be a good fight.
I will concede that those who call Renly's claim to the throne illegitimate are correct. However, I will not concede that Renly would have made a better king than all of them.
The difference is, Ned sacrificed his OWN honor, and we all know how important that is to him, for his family. He didn't stain his honor for gain, or glory, not for ambition, but to save his two defenseless daughters. That's the kind of man Ned was. Hypocritical or not, things aren't in black and white, Ned lived and died honorably, even in his last acts, which dishonored him, still was the honorable thing to die. Better to save his daughters then stubbornly be beheaded with his kids following.
If you understand medieval succession, Stannis naming Renly his heir is not so much of a courtesy. In agnatic succession, the younger brother will always inherit over his niece. Additionally, while it was within a king's right to revoke ancestral titles off of unfaithful vassals, in a state of total civil war this was ignored, especially if your main opponent is your brother. Also, think about Renly's strength. He has tens of thousands of swords and horses behind him, all the chivalry of the Reach, and the second greatest house backing him. To quote Renly "Here is my claim, 100,000 swords, just as good as Robert's"
Two problems with a Renly reign, firstly he doesn't really care about the smallfolk. He just likes the glory and glamour of being a royal king. Secondly he's gay, and would have trouble siring a true born heir.
@devorahacts no not really he only killed when his boyfriend died and when he stormed dragonstone almost one thousand lannister soldiers died. hes a tourny knight
They really did a botch of Stannis in the show. They axed all his snarky one liners. He was supposed to say, in response to Renly saying he had married the fair maid, Margaery Tyrell, "She is like to stay that way, in your bed." Stannis was a really funny character in the books.
It is strange that Stannis never leverages his House Florent connection. According to GRRM, Houses Florent and Tyrell never see along; House Florent was angry that the Reach was granted to House Tyrell, bypassing House Florent. Florents view the Tyrells as lowly usurpers. Would have been interesting seeing Tyrells and Florents on opposite sides.
Actually the Tyrell-Florent rivalry would explain why Renly was so interested in the Iron Throne despite Stannis' presence. Lady Olenna was the one influencing Renly through Loras and then Margarey so that the Tyrells are not divested from their Lordship of the Reach by Stannis through intervention by the Florents. At the end, it was all politics.
Olenna never supported Renly. Not in the books, and not in the show as well. Also, in the books it is Mace Tyrell and Olenna who decide together, but the show ruined Mace and made him retarded. The real Mace is supposed to be a big powerful-looking fat man full of arrogance and entitlement.
Stannis is a great king in terms of justice but it would be nice to have a kind king of compassion but even then he still has no claim to the throne. I really wished that renly lived, because i want to see the Alliance between the north and the tyrells/baratheon. They would be unstoppable
Remember this is all Loras’s fault. He pushed Renly to claim Kingship. So much could of been avoided. That being said, what would of happened to Westeros if Melissandre governed the seven Kingdoms? She would probably saw the Lord of Light’s vision about the night King. And convinced Stanis to take up arms against the wall. Then that leaves Daenerys. So many angles.
well appearently in the book its explained that giving birth to a shadow is taxing and can therfore only be done so many times (its been used 2 times by stannis) but yes i think GRRM was thinking "Hmm...This is a fantasy and i need to throw in some more fantasy elements in it before people start questioning what genre it is...I throw in a ninja shadow"
Exactly. His honor was far more important to him than his life but he was willing to give even that up for his children's sake. It's ironic that dishonoring himself would be so honorable.
What atrocities have been commited for the sake of power, blood means nothing when greed blinds someone, power does truly corrupt, and my oh my what horrors we have seen. Bring on game of thrones season 3 already
I kind of agree with you but the war lasted until stannis and the blackfish died.We could say the lannisters won by being the last ones standing. Hope the great war is better since the hardhome episode was awesome.
in the books after lommy dies the mountain saw arya hiding in some bushes and he grab her with one arm in the middle of the air and said something like: "what we have here? a little mice?"
I always got the impression that Honer was important to Stannis but he never really understood what it actually was. Like he doesn't actually have a sense of honor he just follows the rules because they're there.
"Is he a ham?"
yep only he's gay
Wtf😂😂😂😂
homosexual kings, may have somewhat of a difficulty with providing an heir
@Oisín O'Sullivan Only you :P
Best line ever.
"Look across those fields brotha; you see those banners?"
"The budget didn't allow for them so I won't even bother looking in their supposed direction"
"Is he a ham?"
No, he is the Pork that was Promised
"Look to your sins Lord Renly, for the night is dark and full of terrors."
A veiled threat if I ever heard one.
doesn't she say that to everyone? lol
She does but this one was one of the ones that she really meant it.
She may have meant it but she lied, her vagina is full of terrors not night.
Lumzide
*WHAT VALE?*
Renly has absolutely no claim to any throne whatsoever.
Think what you will but they at least had reason to believe they had a claim. Renly is just like fuck this I want to be king and thought he’d build an army and wage a war, he was a baby. Truly the stupidest character in the series.
@@awesomecoolepicawesome That's more then the Targaryens ever had. They didn't even have an army, nor were they even born into the land they ended up ruling, they just had medieval wmds which no one could do anything about.
At least for Renly, he had a lot of popular support to back his ambition, people wanted to see him on the throne without having to be threated with horrible gruesome death.
@Not Alfie Stannis has the strongest claim of all since he is next eldest of the Baratheon line, by medieval succession laws you can't get a better claim then that.
Agree with you about Daenarys though, her family won their throne through the right of conquest and lost it in the same way, so she has to start again as a foreign conqueror with no legit claim. As is the trend of targaryens though you don't need to follow the rules when you got dragons to burn anyone you disagree with.
What "claim" did Robert have to the throne, he won it by force. Renly (or anyone with an army) could make the same claim.
@@Derekivery Big Bob's "claim" to the throne was his family's distant relation to the Targs. That relationship provided the justification for some of the more legalistic lords to side with him over Aerys (he's the grandson of Rhaelle Targaryen, which makes him the great-grandson of Aegon V Targaryen).
As to whether the Targs had any claim to the throne, yes and no. They don't because they were an outside invading force. They DO because "the throne" - as in the Iron Throne, the Kingship of all seven kingdoms as opposed to the individual kingships of each - didn't exist before the Targs came. Because the Targaryens literally created the "one kingdom" out of the seven, and thus created the position of king over all, the right to the Iron Throne starts and ends with their bloodline.
Renly was such a fool. He had no claim, and Stannis' offer was perfectly reasonable.
West Side is da best Renly had a much larger force and support of the people. You would be cocky and dismissive too in those circumstances no matter how “reasonable” the offer is
He would have burned him alive sooner or later, had he claimed the thrones for himself.
He would win against Stannis if the red witch wouldn't have spawned a shadow assassin on Renly
Maybe I need to rewatch the season, but I just can't see Renly as king. It seems like he only took the role because he felt like he had a chance to win. At least Stannis, the Lannisters and Robb had other goals in mind beyond just "I want to be king".
Even as a lord (and a warden? I can't remember.) Renly's scenes show him more interested in lounging about the council meetings and banging Loras. I don't see any real sense of responsibility in him.
It was more than reasonable. Stannis had the only legit claim. Renly's claim was based on "i really want to be king because reasons. Also I did nothing to save ned stark and I refuse to pump out a brat so I am guaranteeing another succession crisis."
Stannis was essentially giving renly all he tried to steal as long as he was willing to wait for it.
If that beautiful dumbass had a lick of sense or patience, he would have gotten everything he wanted.
Did anyone else find it a bit rich of Cat Stark to chide Stannis and Renly for putting ambition ahead of blood when she did everything possible to make Jon Snow feel like a leper amongst his own blood relatives?
Show Jon proved her right though, when he accepted the kingship ahead of his trueborn siblings.
well bran isn't exactly king material
Cat Stark was full of hypocrisy and bias. She paraded a banner of justice and fairness but she had many many faults. Ned was much better than her in every way...his main fault was putting faith in Robert.
Doesn't matter if he isn't King material. Book Jon would have never have done that to Bran. Book Jon would have also done a lot more to save Rickon.
yeah but its not book jon, and Bran renounced any claim he had.
Melisandre: You should kneel before your brother. He's the lord's chosen, born amidst salt and smoke.
Renly: Is he a ham?
if only stannis and renly worked together...maybe just maybe house baratheon would've taken king's landing at the battle of blackwater bay
Yea but Stannis king while under Melisandre's thumb would've been the worse case scenario.
@@saljpal3 he wouldn've been the best kind, he's only using mel
That really would have been the best outcome. Renly would have been a great heir for Stannis, so the succession would probably have been peaceful too after Stannis and Renly won and Stannis eventually died. The biggest problem they would face is converting the realm to the religion of the red god. They'd face the same problems as the Targaeryans or Cersei in the show
@Anthony Johnson that would have been possible but unlikely. His wife had lots of miscarriages but Stannis had shunned her bed for years. Maybe if he started shagging her again he'd have a son but who knows
@@dwild2565 If Renly wanted to be king, he should have accepted Stannis' offer, used the combined Baratheon and Tyrell forces to take Kings Landing, denying Tywin the Tyrell alliance, became the heir, then arranged an 'accident' for Stannis a couple years later.
'The Iron Throne is mine by rights. All those who deny that are my foes." - Stannis Baratheon, the one true king.
Stannis is actually very generous if Renly just let his older brother be the king, he even let him be his heir.
empty statement, of course he's going to raise his own heir
... until the child is born
Renly would be the heir by default, if there was no child, so "naming him" would've been quite literately meaningless.
@@a55tech stannis tried to many time
@@abdullayaser700 so? it's not that hard
I always forget Brienne was in this scene because she's under that helmet.
Damn, I just realized that because of your comment.
lmfao she looks so derpy in that helmet
The helmets in the first few seasons were all pretty terrible
@@johansmallberries9874 Not really. The helmet itself is fine, realistically speaking. Now it's where no one wears helmets. Lol
Brianne of fucking tarth
Renly liked to dress up and act like a king, but he didn't know what it would take to be a king. He'd never witnessed the atrocities of war, it was a big game to him. It was all poetic and romantic like in the songs.
'You are knights of the summer, but winter is coming'. - Catelyn Stark
He was in Storm's End, starving with the rest of the city and although never taking it too seriously, was quite a capable lord on his own.
Stannis wasn't the man his brother was, either. Robert Baratheon would have taken King's Landing before help could arrive, even the Hound had said that when Stannis was delayed by Blackwater Rush.
Even though he wasn't the rightful heir, Renly got the people from the Stormlands and the Reach to support him, creating a formidable army filled with men and women who would die for him. That's more kingly to me than Stannis, who had trouble even getting the lords surrounding Dragonstone to support him. Being a leader is not just about fighting but getting people on your side and uniting them.
In the books, Renly doesn't even ask Robb Stark to surrender the north as long as he promises fealty. He was a clever, flexible leader that would have probably won the war if his brother had not relied on dark magic.
But the thing with King is that he is pretty much a figurehead because the Hand truly has the power. Renly wouldve been a good king because the people would ADORE him but Stannis as his hand would be phenomenal because he would run the kingdom with justice and a firm hand. Tbh that wouldve been the best duo but Stannis is so by the books that he needed to be king.
@@tavitakhan6944 Stannis would be a terrible hand for the same reasons he would be a terrible king. He follows the law to much and he serve the lord of light something the church of the 7 would rebel over. To sum it up. He unfriendly,too harsh and serves a foreign god. Also the lord of light said he had to burn anyone would didn't serve him. So stannis would have to kill everyone in westeros
rasheedqe that’s not true , a good king is one who follows law , that’s the first time I’ve heard someone argue that a bad king is someone who follows the law too much, didn’t you at the very least think before you wrote that? He followed a different religion? So? , didn’t ned follow the old gods ? Did anyone object to him being the hand of the king? Also , the lord of light never said that , he never said anything, he speaks through people and fire , and no one said that , on top in the books stannis is not as he is in the show (meaning he’s not a puppet of meli) he listens to her with a open mind , and has no problem calling her out for making certain claims or demanding some things , he is a very quite reserved man who thinks things through and has an open mind
Lmaooo "Born amidst salt and smoke. Is he a ham?" God I loved Renly
You love this cock
@@DanielTorres-cm9bn I love your midget ass
Getting kinky here
I am not angry about most book changes but.....WHERE'S HIS PEACH AT?
@El Padre con Verga Larga lmao
It's on the horse next to him in red.
Even GRRM specifically called this omission out as a bad one.
I love what Martin said about that: "The peach represents... Well... It's pleasure. It's… tasting the juices of life. Stannis is a very marshal man concerned with his duty, and with that peach Renly says: "Smell the roses", because Stannis is always concerned with his duty and honor, in what he should be doing and he never really stops to taste the fruit. Renly wants him to taste the fruit but it's lost. I wish that scene had been included in the TV series because for me that peach was important, but it wasn't possible." it truly is a shame that it didn't make it into the show.
''I see it now,i loved him Davos,I swear it.I will go to my grave thinking about my brothers peach.''
The real Stannis yo.
The Stannis the show never had.
my god that is an amazing writing, i'm still beating my head trying to figure out how this ended up with "MyQueen" and "I dont want it"
It's not that difficult to work out. It's those 2 knuckle heads D&D
The 'bad pussy' from season 5 foreshadowed the dialogue atrocities to come. :(
Mah qweeen and i dont wanit
Because the show more or less quoted the books directly word for word. The shows quality went down the moment they passed the books.
Renly is so un appreciative, stannis practically raised him on his own
He didn't though. Renly grew up in Storm's End and was raised by Maester Cressen and other people serving at Storm's End. Stannis and him only spent a few years together
Renly had the support of all their bannermen, people loved him, and he'd be quite a good king.
Better than Robb, Joffrey and even Stannis. Stannis never understood that a king is not a judge to rule over the realm.
'What claim my brother had when he took the throne, I ask you. He took it because he could. There is my claim, Lady Stark. All the chivalry of the South rides with me. And I want you to deliver your son a message. I intend to be a king, and being a king of a broken realm is not my intention. I'll name him lord of the North, I'll let him call himself the King in the North if he likes it so much, the title bears no meaning, so much so if he bends the knee to me and calls me his overlord'
Renly wasn't a soft-weak craven as he was portrayed in the show. He was around 6'5'', quite strong, a pure reflection of Robert Baratheon.
@@subutaynoyan5372 Sorry but Renley would have been a shite king
@@Petey0707 Would he now? He could proceed with the peace. Understood warfare well enough, people united behind him, he wasn't a complete idiot like Robert, and was a capable man.
Not the best king possible, but Stannis would make them miserable and Robert wasn't an actual ruler at all
@@subutaynoyan5372 Why would Stannis have made the people miserable? Time and time again in Game of Thrones it's shown that the people care little for who sits the throne as long as they aren't illogically cruel or bloodthirsty and don't adversely affect their lives. Stannis is rigid, yes, but he'd be fiscally responsible, just and capable of making measured decisions for the betterment of the realm. His detachment and obsessive sense of responsibility would have made him the perfect king in practice yet ironically made it impossible for him to secure the kingship.
While I don't think Renly would be an awful king relatively speaking he's clearly more in it for the trappings that come with the crown and not the responsibility of wearing the crown. In practice he'd possibly grow to be a less debauched version of Robert. Robert wasn't always a drunken fool, he was driven to that state due to being unsuited for the responsibility that came with the crown.
Stannis' music theme was one of the very best, it sounds honorable and legendary and badass but very tragic at the same time.
Ramin Javaadi was easily the best part of the show.
Stannis Baratheon the ham that was promised .
Stannis the Hammis
I would pay to watch Catlin hop off her horse, grab Renly and Stannis by their ears and give them both a motherly scolding.
@Sports Guru where is this salt coming from?
So many great characters together, Stannis, Renly, Ser Davos, Melisandre, Catlyn Stark, Ser Loras, Brienne.
Imagine how much trouble could have been avoided if Renly had supported Stannis from the beginning along with Ned Stark... In the words of Breaking Bad's Mike, Renly just had to blow it up. Him, with his pride and his ego, he just had to be the man. If he'd known his place, done his job, they'd all be fine by now.
That whole plot device was ridiculous. Stannis was the older brother, period. Maybe he could have made Renly Warden of the South or Hand of the King or something, but the older brother is the heir. Is Harry going to claim the crown because people like him more than William? Ridiculous.
Stannis of house Baratheon first of his name, the rightful ham of Westeros.
Stannis: "Watch yourself Renly!"
Renly: "No, no. I'm relieved."
That was all the war between these two brothers was about.
Now I'm reading the books, Stannis's character is fleshed out more and he's become one of my favourites - what a boss!
I just realized if Renly had accepted and simply assasinated Stannis once he was King (of course by an anonymous killer) he would've become King anyways.
I don't think Renly (book or show wise) really wanted his brother dead. Stannis is a different beast, but then again, in Clash of Kings he was a different man to what he was in later books you know. He regrets killing his brother in the books. That's the main difference between Stannis in the show and in the books. In the show he is becoming more and more spiteful, vindictive and lustful, Mel's puppet if you will, while in the books he is becoming more likeable as the story progresses.
@@saminhuq8469 I mean, he said he wouldn't be too sad if it happened, but he didn't want it.
"He knew how to dress and he knew how to smile and he knew how to bathe, and somehow he got the notion that this made him fit to be king." Queen of Thornes
"Renly would have been the best dressed king ... and that's about it." Jaime Lannister
Renley was definitely a side character. Sure, he had a big chance to become king, but that's just because Robert gave him Storm's End and he was boning Loras. His entire role is mess things up for Stannis out of pure selfishness and then die.
somehow this scene is the most hilarious one in this season so far, everybody in this scene are so serious which makes it more hilarious hahaha
"I Suppose if you used the same one, the battle would be terribly confusing..."
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"Born amid salt and smoke, is he a ham?"
Oh, Renly. Your trolling skill was your gift, and your downfall.
"And you sit beside this pretender and *Chastise Me* "
Season 2 and 4 are my favorites by far
Born in Salt and Smoke.
''Is he a ham?"😂😂😂
The true King stannis..
"Born amid salt and smoke? Is he a ham?" 💀 Also, Ramin Djawadi's background music is 🔥.
"No one wants you for their King!"
*Jaw clenching intensifies*
2:23 that is a really good proposal, maybe you can even ask for permanent hand of the king
Stannis would never pick Renly over Davos.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 At this point, Ser Davos hasn't had a chance to really stand out yet (at least as much as he would in the future). Renly would need seasoning in case of potential kingship and Ser Davos is not a power-hungry man - he'd have been very content simply being Admiral, I think, and his skills would have suite that role well.
In the books Stannis also offers him to keep Storm's end.
The men holding those bolts of cloth will make me king. He is definitely Roberts brother.
All behold Stannis, the HAM KING!
I love how Renly served Melissandre and Stannis verbally like a Bauss.
The Baratheons could have regained the throne easily if they worked together
With a series like this, good is a hard word to properly define. Of all the people who want to be king, Stannis would be the one most likely to put the interests of the realm first. He would be harsh, but fair, and would be pretty much incorruptible. People argue that the red priestess has him wrapped around her finger, but that's debatable.
Stannis is my favorite character too, and he's got a really fun story arc.
Renly seems like a pretty cool guy
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"You never wanted any friend, brother; but a man without friends is a man without power."
"Kings have no friends. Only subjects and enemies."
@@gooby1673 That mindset is a really great way to get yourself stabbed in the back
If all 3 Baretheon brothers got on they would have been unstoppable and still running Westoros until maybe Daenerys turns up with her dragons and armies in tow
Daenarys wouldn't have gotten close to them without Jorah, Tyrion and Ser Barristan, all of which would be in Westeros supporting the Baratheons (assuming Jorah was allowed back after Ned's death).
@@charliedeguil1415 Selmy would have stayed with the brothers, Jorah will remain loyal to Daenerys as he is in love with her and so will Dario. Tyrion will not jump ship as he won't be framed for Joffery's death and murder Tywin as Margery will be with Renley.
Danerys will have her dragons, Unsullied and maybe the Dothrahi. Be a good fight.
@@wailee3939 yeah but without barristan she would have died to the scorpion remember? So xD
@@kekw3271 ah I do, but who sent the scorpion?
@@wailee3939 the warlocks of qarth? The undying guys
"Born of salt and smoke? Is he a ham?" HAHA Renly.
That crown is simply fabulous.
I will concede that those who call Renly's claim to the throne illegitimate are correct. However, I will not concede that Renly would have made a better king than all of them.
"Otherwise I should destroy you"
Hahahaha best options
The look on Melisandre's face after Renly calls Stannis a ham lol
Stannis was just man with Renly and he gave him more than what would Robert give him but he didnt listen.
The actor is good but Renly is a million times cooler in the books. If I was Cat or Stannis I would have totally supported his claim.
You would be a really shitty Stannis then.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 I guess saying Stannis is pushing it but you get my meaning.
Cats supporting renly would be meaningless. Robb would never give up kingship.
@@rasheedqe Renly offered to let Robb retain his title as long as he pledged loyalty. That's a good compromise.
@@Carlos-ln8fd but then he would be a lord in all but name. Besides the north would not agree to that.
Stannis = Azor Aham
back when game of thrones wasn't trash
The difference is, Ned sacrificed his OWN honor, and we all know how important that is to him, for his family. He didn't stain his honor for gain, or glory, not for ambition, but to save his two defenseless daughters. That's the kind of man Ned was. Hypocritical or not, things aren't in black and white, Ned lived and died honorably, even in his last acts, which dishonored him, still was the honorable thing to die. Better to save his daughters then stubbornly be beheaded with his kids following.
Renly should have joined forces with his brother
"Is he a ham?" - my sides never stood a chance
Renly was eating a peach in the scene.
Yea, to be pissed at it's non-existence is pretty hilarious.
I think Renly would be a good king actually.
He'd be a fantastic King who everyone could rally behind, that's why Stannis killed him
A man without friends is a man without powah.
renly gay
Very perceptive, my dude.
point being....?
Renlys a pillow biter.
Yes
I believe he means that Renly catches & does not pitch
What gives you a right to the throne
Me: that big ass army behind me
"Is he a ham?" LMFAO
"born amist salt an smoke"
"is he a ham?"
1:25 "This funny fucker..."
Nice HD Bro
D&D always hated Stannis. In truth renly was the fool and Stannis' offer was incredibly generous
Jesus could Brienne actually even see out of that helmet
What a brilliant scene.
If you understand medieval succession, Stannis naming Renly his heir is not so much of a courtesy. In agnatic succession, the younger brother will always inherit over his niece. Additionally, while it was within a king's right to revoke ancestral titles off of unfaithful vassals, in a state of total civil war this was ignored, especially if your main opponent is your brother. Also, think about Renly's strength. He has tens of thousands of swords and horses behind him, all the chivalry of the Reach, and the second greatest house backing him. To quote Renly "Here is my claim, 100,000 swords, just as good as Robert's"
probably the funniest line in all 3 seasons of GOT
Renly had no business trying to claim the throne
Two problems with a Renly reign, firstly he doesn't really care about the smallfolk. He just likes the glory and glamour of being a royal king. Secondly he's gay, and would have trouble siring a true born heir.
@devorahacts no not really he only killed when his boyfriend died and when he stormed dragonstone almost one thousand lannister soldiers died. hes a tourny knight
WHERES THE FUCKING PEACH
fairhurst101films IN ANOTHER FUCKING CASTLE
@@nachoman2713 GOOD FUCKING JOKE
Renly with the zingers lol
They really did a botch of Stannis in the show. They axed all his snarky one liners.
He was supposed to say, in response to Renly saying he had married the fair maid, Margaery Tyrell, "She is like to stay that way, in your bed."
Stannis was a really funny character in the books.
It is strange that Stannis never leverages his House Florent connection. According to GRRM, Houses Florent and Tyrell never see along; House Florent was angry that the Reach was granted to House Tyrell, bypassing House Florent. Florents view the Tyrells as lowly usurpers. Would have been interesting seeing Tyrells and Florents on opposite sides.
Actually the Tyrell-Florent rivalry would explain why Renly was so interested in the Iron Throne despite Stannis' presence. Lady Olenna was the one influencing Renly through Loras and then Margarey so that the Tyrells are not divested from their Lordship of the Reach by Stannis through intervention by the Florents. At the end, it was all politics.
Olenna never supported Renly. Not in the books, and not in the show as well. Also, in the books it is Mace Tyrell and Olenna who decide together, but the show ruined Mace and made him retarded. The real Mace is supposed to be a big powerful-looking fat man full of arrogance and entitlement.
Stannis is a great king in terms of justice but it would be nice to have a kind king of compassion but even then he still has no claim to the throne.
I really wished that renly lived, because i want to see the Alliance between the north and the tyrells/baratheon. They would be unstoppable
Jon and Stannis probably do one of the coolest things ever in season 4. It will be exciting.
Remember this is all Loras’s fault. He pushed Renly to claim Kingship. So much could of been avoided. That being said, what would of happened to Westeros if Melissandre governed the seven Kingdoms? She would probably saw the Lord of Light’s vision about the night King. And convinced Stanis to take up arms against the wall. Then that leaves Daenerys. So many angles.
well appearently in the book its explained that giving birth to a shadow is taxing and can therfore only be done so many times (its been used 2 times by stannis)
but yes i think GRRM was thinking "Hmm...This is a fantasy and i need to throw in some more fantasy elements in it before people start questioning what genre it is...I throw in a ninja shadow"
He is the one in charge in Harrenhall. She added him because she is there, just like she added Polliver, because he is dumb guard :)
Exactly. His honor was far more important to him than his life but he was willing to give even that up for his children's sake. It's ironic that dishonoring himself would be so honorable.
What atrocities have been commited for the sake of power, blood means nothing when greed blinds someone, power does truly corrupt, and my oh my what horrors we have seen. Bring on game of thrones season 3 already
I actually cracked up when he said that!
There's a spoiler in every man and it stirs when you put a keyboard in his hand.
Is he a ham? Brilliant Line.
THE WAR PART OF THE SHOW WAS AMAZING. AFTER SEASON 3 IT GOT A BIT BORING.
I kind of agree with you but the war lasted until stannis and the blackfish died.We could say the lannisters won by being the last ones standing. Hope the great war is better since the hardhome episode was awesome.
Come on, season 4 was the best
you do realize a song of ice and fire is a fantasy
in the books after lommy dies the mountain saw arya hiding in some bushes and he grab her with one arm in the middle of the air and said something like: "what we have here? a little mice?"
Straight to the point no bullshit, that is Stannis.
Wish they had included the Peach part. It was pretty much Renly's way of saying: "I've got more of everything. Fuck you, bro ;D"
in the books she has very very very good reasons = in the tv show she sees him in harrenhall and usually when u see the mountain....
A moment's silence for Renly's peach.
King Peach vs King Ham :D
the books don't run completely in chronological order. That chapter probably happened before Jon's last chapter, so it doesn't mean much.
I always got the impression that Honer was important to Stannis but he never really understood what it actually was. Like he doesn't actually have a sense of honor he just follows the rules because they're there.
from all the internet trolls, you are indeed the funniest.
And in the show, it is the Mountain who picked men for The Tickler.
La Montana. Oh shit, mind blown.