Dave Ramsey and Rachel Cruze Disagree On This Call!
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Finally SOMEONE that can disagree with Dave 😂 That was fun to watch
Well, it is Dave’s daughter. Haha
@@michael-b7l9h Wow, I've been listening off and on for a while, and never knew that.
The rest of them are scared of being fired!
@John Doe has he left Dave? Shame I like him
This isn't the first time. No matter what they're saying I'm always on Rachel's side. 💙💙💙
Dave is stuck in dealing with stupid mode, lol
This is one of the few calls, in a rare time, where the caller is truly looking at the numbers and not attempting to manipulate his way into a truck
Dave doesn't do numbers, he does full-blown cultist approach for his own profit.
It is fair to question whether the deal is legitimate. When you build a car online, you are calculating the MSRP with the options selected. That is different than what a dealer is going to sell for (could be more, could be less). Simple logic suggests that the same truck new would not be purchasable for less than one with mileage on it.
@@richard77231 you are thinking rationally....Dave is only thinking about how going against his rules even once could affect his business. Had Dave said, if you can get the car cheaper new....get it...but I don't think you can, then i could follow him... but. ..... no...Dave is not saying this. He is saying to get the used car even if the cost is higher, so that his rules remain unbroken.
Off the script
@@richard77231 well the caller did say the dealer is honoring MSRP and has it in writing. If that’s the case, buy new.
Dave: "This is the rationalization process people use that gets them in trouble." He's 24, debt-free, $100k networth, making $160k/yr. He doesn't have a problematic rationalization process when it comes to finances. Rachel is completely right.
Yep. The only thing is he is trying to get the hottest new truck from Ford. If he can get it at MSRP, it is a no brainer. If not, buy something else. It is just a transportation tool. When you have wealth, you can then buy something else.
Ya his finances are great, that's doesn't change the fact that prices are way too high on a depreciating asset right now and he's getting a bad deal.
@@AnimeBeefRandoms exactly, this is the worst time to buy cars and houses. Prices are ridiculously high. Unless you really need a car now, don’t buy it. Have some self control. BTW, I have a feeling that the dealer will sell it as MSRP, but they will add another $3K worth of dealer installed accessories to maximize profit.
Dave is correct. This is the same mentality people use to buy items they don’t need (or a more expensive item than they need) because it’s “on sale”. Look how much money I am saving because I think I found a loophole. It might work once. Dave is constantly telling people to avoid the thing that usually fails even though it might work once because the odds are it will fail or if it works you get hooked by a behavior that leads to failure. Either way you lose and if you think you are the one who definitely won’t lose, then you are already exhibiting the losing behavior.
Unheard of in my youth, to make that much money at 24. Unbelievable when I hear these calls.
Dave: Follow the rules no matter what and don’t think for yourself.
Rachel: Do what makes sense for your future.
Why do they need a vehicle that’s arbitrarily over $20k? Just buy something cheaper.
Buy a bike, its cheaper to drive!!
Right $3k to $5k should buy anybody a decent vehicle
Two things can be true…however I side with Dave playing it safe is…safe. Look at the excitement on Rachel’s voice, in my experience people always talk like that before when they are getting fleeced. Dave sounds and is calculated while Rachel maybe it caught up in the moment and that brings on a risk. Just a thought…
@@spicerc1244 Um… a truck under 20k used is gonna be hard to find unless you’re buying 15 year old clunker with 200k miles. It really doesn’t make sense right now to do that. Which was Rachel’s point. Their advice would normally be good, but at this specific moment in time, you will be financially better off getting the maverick. It’s actually a really good deal for what you’re getting.
MORE FIGHTS WITH DAVE PLEASE!!!
Bring Racheal on more....she's not afraid of him like the other hosts and I love that she can challenge him, being his daughter and all
Same we need more respectful disagreements, I love it
Yes true
Dave is stuck in the 1960's if you are paying cash and have a good salary and savings. And just buying a sensible car I don't see it as a problem.
I just put two and two together.. Rachel is his daughter (insert mind blown emoji)
@@josephericfisk1938not really not on this issue
I love how Rachel is logically making her argument. Dave has two problems here-one is that he CANNOT ever, no never go against one of his principles, even when all facts say yes you should; and two, all his other co-hosts are yes men/women who do not dare disagree with him.
I’m proud of Rachel for not backing down here. I think she’s right. Nothing about this caller indicates he is going to go do something reckless and stupid.
well thats another thing too, the other cohosts have to be yes-men/women because of the boss-employee relationship- Rachael is his daughter so shes willing to argue back lol
@@caitlynclark3253 RIGHT!!! She's the daughter. People here think's she's so brave. Of course she's brave. She ain't going to get fired.
It's not a financial problem; it's a mindset issue. Dave is right about the 'million-dollar rule'-if this guy allows himself to buy a new truck, it won't stop there.
Dave is trying to prevent the “bad habit” but Jared obviously doesn’t have bad habits if he’s debt free already.
I'd have to disagree. You can still have bad habits if you're debt free. Spending for status and not giving just to name a couple. This could lead to the place you got your self out of. It only takes one slip.
The point is to not adopt new bad habits.
Whether Jared does or not, Dave has to talk to the viewer/listener as well.
Dave has a tendency to think about the listener rather than the caller when he gives advice. This results in very consistent messaging but comes at the sacrifice of the caller. This is the primary complaint about Dave outside of his circle. I do agree that the 'awareness' Dave talks about is the key to wealth building and I believe for Dave the 'end justifies the means' with his answers on the radio show.
I understand the bad habit, but keep in mind the pandemic running all the prices high. That’s why Rachel was ok with the new over the used car. If it wasn’t for these prices, Jared was willing to buy used as a debt free person.
Good job Rachel. Most co-hosts are scared of challenging Dave. They always wait to see which road he will take and follow it. 😉
I think the only other one I've seen kinda go against him is dr delony (spelling? Lol)
That’s because she is Dave’s daughter and she knows he cuts her slack and wouldn’t fire her for challenging him.
Helps when the boss is also your dad lol
Haha, that’s right. Fire me I dare you. You are gonna have to deal with Mrs. Ramsey :)
@@jml9550 That is why Dave has multiple homes, some of them undoubtedly in different countries.
I understand Dave's reasoning. He's speaking of the "trying to rationalize the decision to make it okay in your own eyes can lead to you doing that elsewhere". He's talking about building bad habits. But Rachel is right here, it's math that is in play right now. Makes more sense to buy the new one than a used one.
Yep. If normal time a used 2-3 year old car is the best deal. But currently we are not living in a usual time.
Yup, if it was a used $20k Dave would apply the rule of less than 50% of your yearly salary in things that have motors.
Rachael is correct. It makes more sense to buy new than used in the current market.
When ideology means more than truth. This is a very dangerous way of thinking.
Right Dave was so wrong on this call, glad Rachel called him out on it
Christian values.
@@Ferdinand208 how do you mean?
@@Ferdinand208 leftism
Dave's whole approach assumes that his callers are horrible with money, which is usually correct. But when they are intelligent and reasonable, it flips the system on its head.
Racheal is right. If they needed a car and a new one actually cost less than they could buy a new one. Would it actually cost less? Who knows.
Only if it is cheaper. There are bunch of people complaining online about buy a car online and when they go to pick it up they get with a huge "processing fee" or "document fee". Because ,for the most part, new cars go through a dealer it's almost impossible ti get it cheaper than a used car. The sales people know how much it cost used.
The 2022 Ford Maverick landed on CR‘s “worst deals on new cars” list, which consists of the 10 new vehicles that are currently selling for the highest premium over sticker price.
They are actually agreeing that he should buy the cheaper car…Dave is just saying he’s likely not getting the new car for the cheaper price. Listen to Dave
Im so glad that rachel isnt scared to disagree. I like that about her. Sometimes i feel like other personalities are scared to talk their mind because they are going to lose thier job, especially ken.
Well he is her dad so...
@@ebonylo. exactly. What is Dave gonna do, fire her. Eventually she is gonna cash in once Dave is dead.
Why would anyone be scared? People love working with Dave. The only people that get fired are the ones who do stupid stuff off camera. Dave isn't impossible and he gets along with his cohosts, pays attention to feelings, and all that stuff. He just has a system that literally pays his and Rachel's salary. Why would any of them even want to budge from it? lol
@@connordavis2345 what are you talking about? I googled and couldn’t find anything
Rules exist for a reason. But every rule has that OOOOOONNNEE exception every once in a while. & I think this call is that exception. I believe that Rachel is right in this specific situation. Math is math!
She's right, but math isn't always the biggest denominator
His rules. Not my rules
I believe in math also… we did the debt avalanche because of the math. Dave doesn’t believe in straight math all the times hence his rants on the snow ball. This is just another piece built off those principles
Off the script 😂😂😂
If the caller can actually get the new car for 25k than Rachel is right.
Cars do go down in value but the new care of he can get it at that price will still be worth more than th used car bought at that same price, in 3-5 years.
Caller: *Uses logic and common sense*
Dave: So I took that personally.
Yeah I definitely agree with Rachel on this one
She sure is smart. She’s the main reason I watch this show
The only one on payroll who can openly disagree with Dave.
😂 got that right
Thanksgiving is going to be awkward
This is true! Lol
This inflation is putting Dave’s principles under attack.
So true.
How so? We're in a car bubble so even if you sell your current car at a higher price, any used/new car will also be marked up.
The 2022 Ford Maverick landed on CR‘s “worst deals on new cars” list, which consists of the 10 new vehicles that are currently selling for the highest premium over sticker price.
@@Argedis Not necessarily the worst deal if you ordered one and the price is locked in with an agreement in writing.
@@jeffreysproul9110 Ford stopped taking orders in January.
There are also SEVERAL Reddit posts about dealers marking up custom orders before they even arrive. Like this one:
"I am a 6/14 order, 7/5 confirmation no build date yet. Dealer told me they would be marking up my order when it comes in."
When you order something there is no VIN yet so it's not like you can just get a regular bill of sale with the exact vehicle VIN in writing.
Rachel is right, and Dave is being a hypocrite here. On many calls he talks about understanding basic math. This isn't rationalization, it's math. He's not considering a $80k new vehicle at 24. If a four year old vehicle is the same price as a new vehicle, and you NEED a vehicle, buy the one for the price that meets your needs. And yes, some dealers are selling new cars at MSRP, and some are selling new for $15k more over MSRP.
Ok what's you household income
@@mexicanboss5823 pretty good thanks for asking. Since they have a $160k income, they can afford a $22k vehicle regardless of it being used or new.
Dave said people should just "drive what you got" right now, and he's right.
The dude never specified a reason for needing a new vehicle except saying 'she needs a new car'
For some reason many people consider ~$1k in car repairs as justification that it's time to get a new car.
Also the 2022 Ford Maverick landed on CR‘s “worst deals on new cars” list, which consists of the 10 new vehicles that are currently selling for the highest premium over sticker price.
He also speaks of needing to develop good habits vs always going with the math, which is where he would have been coming from. Dave is stuck on dealing with people that have and develop bad habits like rationalizing their way into a truck. Not all math problems account for the human factor, as not all human issues account for math. It is so rare for a new vehicle to actually be completely about the numbers that Dave went straight for the habit that could develop. Quite unlikely to develop in this case, as Rachel pointed out, but Dave deals with so much stupid he immediately heads there.
This caller made it sound like he went to the used car lot, got the price, then drove next door and the brand new version was cheaper and he got a firm out the door price, in writing. That's not true in any world, ever, for so many reasons. Look dude, if people are paying MSRP for a 4 year old car, local dealers are going to raise the price of the new car. This isn't rocket science.
It's good when Rachels on because she's not afraid to disagree with Dave. It's understandable that the other hosts dont ever want to disagree with him because he's their boss. I feel like John bites his tongue sometimes 😂
They all wear knee pads
@preyr631 John is so goofy and makes things too personal.
This is true with John, but not with Kamel, he’s got that Middleeastern macho man twang! 😊
“Oh yeah, John is always concerned about your safety!”😂
🤣 Dave unravels when his principles are actually not the better idea!
How many people has he driven into bankruptcy?
@@alinatamashevich3354 Dave is so wrong on this, I’m glad Rachel called it out. The guy saves thousands by buying the new car. Used cars are so much with this high inflation.
@@edb484 Dave is still correct. The guy has a low net worth with high income. The caller will be OK. I think Dave was leaning towards the guy buying a 15K or less car to get by until this craziness get over with. Dave operates on worse case basis. Guy loses his job, etc. That is why Dave wants one to have a 1M net worth, a 30K car will not rock their world. 100K , not a good margin.
He’s acting like a toddler with no control over his emotions. Plus cohosting with a woman that is his daughter; sounded so disrespectful.
@@KD-oc7qk It must be working, here you are!
Well if that wasn’t Daves daughter, she would’ve been fired for disagreeing! Lol
I don't think so.
This goes to show that Dave is stuck in his own way of doing things. This is simple math here. It has nothing to do with the questions the caller is asking. Dave can’t go against his own advice even when that makes it seem unreasonable and with no logic. I like Dave Ramsey but his advice is always cookie cutter to everyone regardless of the circumstances. Not everything works the same way for everyone. It’s time for an upgrade.
The upgrade is Racheal! :D Love that she challenged him
I disagree. His method is proven. Also, dealers are not selling cars for less. So the very premise of the question is invalid.
Dave said people should just "drive what you got" right now, and he's right.
The dude never specified a reason for needing a new vehicle except saying 'she needs a new car'. If her car was totaled he would've said so.
For some reason many people consider ~$1k in car repairs as justification that it's time to get a new car.
Also the 2022 Ford Maverick landed on CR‘s “worst deals on new cars” list, which consists of the 10 new vehicles that are currently selling for the highest premium over sticker price.
Dave loses a lot of credibility when he starts to exaggerate things. This guy sounds financially solid for his age. Kudos to him!
100 years ago, Dave's advice would have been "don't buy a car unless you're a millionaire, buy a horse and buggy! Horse and buggy has been a proven solution for 500 years!"
100% on Rachel’s side.
We need more of this contrast conversations!!!
I agree. It would makes things a lot more interesting.
Dave’s philosophy is spot on but at this moment In time it would make sense to buy new just because the numbers make sense.
So his philosophy is spot on, but it isnt spot on? Have to pick a side.....either Dave should be followed 100% of the time, or the philosophy is questionable at best.
Most people that watch these videos probably doesn’t follow his plan 100 percent
Why new Honda Civics are hard to find. Just bought my first new
That’s not fair Dave. You can’t preach Math is Math but then when a guy who is 24 yr old has followed your steps, debt free, makes a good income and clearly still has a “sense” to question what he may decide, clearly he understands the dangers and is aware so I definitely disagree that he may make this a “habit” of asking the wrong questions in life. He is just trying to figure out why one seems to make more sense than the other, secondly we are taught as children that there are no wrong questions, only wrong ones are the ones never asked.
End of the day, you know what’s best for your financial and family situation. You have come a far way and seem to be doing better than most can say at that age or any age for that matter, go get that truck man.
Problem is Dave thinks one size fits all and you are always wrong.
It doesn't look like he is going to 'get in the habit' of changing the 'sacred' steps. He is just trying to navigate in never before seen conditions.
@@MyChannel-l4w Hard to argue with 30 year track record.
@@alinatamashevich3354 in 30 years a new car has never been cheaper than a used one.
@@Soccerboy4Jesus Not sure I understand your sentence
Dave so stubborn he ignoring the math to sell his product.
Why are you angry? Would listening to Dave's advice here hurt anyone? I don't understand your issue lol!
He’s treating the caller like he’s an addict, which all of us watching this video either are or have been and are at risk of relapse
I love Dave the man and his teachings have literally saved my life but I have to tip my hat to Rachel on this one. Also really enjoyed this clip of banter it’s nice to have respectful disagreements in the show every once in awhile
I love Rachel!!!! She gets it! Dave is stuck in a world that’s gone. She understands that when up is down and left is right you have adjust to a new reality using the spirit of the law instead of the letter of the law.
Best comment going on here. Both Dave and Rachel need one more piece of information. What price is Jared's dealer really going to charge? Jared seems level- headed enough to work this out on his own.
Nonsense! Not all financial rules should be followed, without question, all the time! E.G. Debt is bad.....is NOT true 100% of the time....like when it is a 15 year home loan after 20% down and not over 25% of take home pay, according to Dave. To stick to a rule that tells you to buy a 26k used car instead of a 22k brand new one?????? because you arent a millionaire????? is ridiculous!
Yes, makes no sense whatsoever. I don't care if Dave thinks it's breaking some kind of financial oath, the new car has warranty and cost less than the used one what's the problem?
Another Dave rule I dont follow. Don't contribute to your 401k while paying off debt. I'm not leaving that 100% return/match on the table. No way!
Debt is bad to me. I am gonna pay off my 15 year mortgage at 2.625% in 3.5 years. I just wanna get mortgage out of my life.
@@jml9550 Your words will mean something, after you sell your house and rent for the rest of your life to get rid of the debt you have. If It was bad to you, you would not think this a bad idea.
@@rayjgold He said pay off his mortgage. Not sell it and rent.
Yes, in this RARE case, it makes sense to buy the new car. But Dave's thoughts are correct
As long as it's not being part of the markup
I agree. Just paid MSRP for a new car ($22k) instead of buying a similar 3-4 year old cars that were $23-25k. BTW, wrote a check for full amount and drove off lot jn less than 90 minutes. Net worth appx 700k.
@@saulgoodman2018 in what way do you disagree
@@chasyho You will NEVER get that answer from Saul. He is a Dave troll and brain damaged
Sadly, this guy will not get the deal he thinks he will.
I’m 30 with a 2020 Ford Raptor I bought for $63k in 2020, it’s 2022 and BMW just offered me $72.5k and I owe $43k… I love Dave but I built my 2021 charger Widebody for $43k and they were on the lot for $52k, car people know how to buy cars Dave is trying to save people that don’t know how to buy cars
You one blessed soul. Congrats on getting that Widebody! I hope to get a Hemi Challenger at some point. Until then I’ll be content with my old Slowpar 6-banger 🤣🤣🤣
Haven't had a car in 13 months and am debt-free. Life is as best as it's ever been. Plus I made more work from home than ever going to a job.
“Don’t buy a new car until you have $1M net worth” is wild. 0% agree. I paid my new car off in full with a net worth of just $50k at the time and haven’t had a car payment in 6 years. Be smart with your new car purchase and don’t buy something you can’t afford.
Dave is a smart man. He understands what’s happening and if talking one on one he would tell someone to do something that makes sense (what his daughter is saying). But Dave has an audience that needs consistency. He has no choice but to be consistent with the rules. Give an inch and people take a mile.
Exactly! He concurs with Rachel, but he also needs to cater to a broader audience, which is why he responded in this manner.
Bingo.
Here is why I know Jarrod is going to be a millionaire by age 40: He is considering value not price and realizing that right now the new car is the better value.
Dave is only right when he is right about what will happen to the value of the car. The problem is it depends on what you buy.
If I had a 500k net worth dave would be okay with me buying a 50k used car but not okay with me paying under 20k for a new honda civic. That is nuts. I bought new...
You're forgetting about the loss of value from the time you get it. Given the same price, I withdraw buy the used car. I was looking at Traverses, and I found a 4-year-old Traverse at the same price as a new one, but the new one was base model, and the used one had all of the features. I'd buy the used one.
To be clear - Because she’s his daughter, only Rachel can argue with Dave!!! 😂
I agree with Rachel with the math
I think that Rachel's ideas 💡 should at least be heard and not totally dismissed as is what happened here. Rachel, you go girl!
A true glimpse of what a Ramsey Thanksgiving looks like. Would love to be a guest at this table! 😆
Or just a fat fly!
They are so entertaining together.
Dave, your method works best for people with extreme behavioral issues with money, which the caller clearly does not have. Be more open-minded that your formula is not one size fits all, all the time.
Everybody has behavioural issues with money.
@@jrwntctv8091 My behavioral issue with money is that once or twice per year I'll buy a $2 drink at Circle K instead of bringing along a 30 cent drink from home. Like the caller, Dave's system is of limited value to me.
We’ve done this twice now for my husband’s business (in cash). We ordered from factory (at the dealership) & it cost less than what was comparable for sale (used) on the lot
Hats off to Rachel standing up to grumpy lol
I did the exact same thing this caller was considering. Bought a new 2021 crosstrek at MSRP (dealership didn’t mark it up) when used 2019 crosstreks were selling for 15% more than new.
A 24 year old dropping 25-30k cash on a vehicle makes me wanna cry 😂 that’s sooo much money in retirement if invested
Potentially yes.
Short term potentially, long term definitely
Update bought the car and sold it for 13k more than I bought it for
@@jaredanderson526perfect example of why Dave isn't always right. He's a human
Great update!
I work at a dealership and there is markup on retail vehicles, but order vehicles don’t have markup.
"Don't buy a vehicle right now" is the takeaway. Buying a vehicle in general is stupid, but sometimes people have to do stupid things.
Why would buying a car be stupid in all cases across the board?
Buying a car in general is a good thing. Not stupid!!
Okay if you really think that then whatever car you have now, I want to see you driving that car til the day you die
Let’s see if buying a vehicle is stupid now…
@@FpsHavokboy I'm well into my 30s and never driven a car. Worked out perfectly for me so far ...
This is the problem with absolutes. I sold a 2.5 year old car for more than I paid for it. I took $6,000 of those dollars and I invested them. I took the remaining money and bought a used Toyota Camry that was two years newer (and still under warranty). Sure, I overpaid on the Camry, but I was overpaid on my other car. There is opportunity in every market.
A lot of dealers will let a factory order go for MSRP. Vehicles sitting on the ground ready to go will be marked up. That’s the way this works 90% of the time.
Agreed. U don't usually pay markup on a custom ordered car.
being in a room full of people that completely agrees with you is a very dangerous place to be
5:46 This reminded me of that girl on tiktok who said “if you’re homeless just buy a house”😂😂
A bit like Buttigieg saying to people who can't afford gas " buy an electric car"
Dave is wrong in this situation. I was looking at a Maverick and the dealer told me if you order one they will sell it for MSRP.
Get it in writing and make sure there is a clause that if they break terms, you get x-amount of dollars for the broken deal.
@@bradleymaravalli2851 yep. And make sure the dealer is not gonna tack on $4K worth of accessories to pad the profit. Seen that happened before many times with new models that everyone wants.
100% just get a new car. Ive been burned on used cars too many times. I finally bought a new vehicle in December of 2023 and it's been great. I don't have to worry about any bs with the car acting up and i have peace of mind.
Dave + Rachel = 💥
and her laugh.... amazing.
Dear Lord Send Me my "Rachel".
Yeah, Dave is clearly wrong on this one. He's so committed to the principles that are generally true and have served him (and many others) well that he refuses to acknowledge even the most obvious exceptions. He has the same problem with reconciling that SOME people are much better off using credit cards than debit cards as long as they don't use them on things they wouldn't have purchased otherwise and never wait long enough to pay them off for their purchases to accrue interest.
Buying a new vehicle is not a routine occurrence. It's something most people will only do a few times, if ever, in their lives. This caller is clearly recognizing that current conditions have made for an exception to the general rule that the much higher cost of used vehicles in that window of time made it smarter to buy a new one. That doesn't mean he's going to make a habit of it. This would be like Dave telling us we shouldn't buy things that are on sale at a significant discount because he's afraid we'll make a habit of expecting to pay less for something than what it usually costs.
If caller NEEDS a car, obviously Rachel is correct. It literally makes zero sense to pay more for a used car over a new one. I do understand where Dave is coming from though with developing bad habits. I also agree that there's no way caller is getting that car for 22k.
"Answer C" 😂😂😂😂
She kept resisting to say: “Dad”
It is okay. Times are revolving the old people don’t know that yet. There is always a first time on everything like appreciation on automobile.
Love that someone rationalized the question and thought for themself instead of quoting Dave’s bible. Best clip ever and should be more of this.
Lots of people do. We just don't call in and tell him about it.
The thing is, the only way to get these deals on new cars is if you are willing to wait months to a year. The reason why the new cars on the lot are marked way up is because the dealer doesn't actually want to sell it, since they won't get another one to show to potential buyers for months.
Dave, you're wrong this time. You don't have to always be right.
I bought a brand new car during the chip shortage, and it was literally cheaper than a used car with 20k miles on it. And my dealer had a thing where they weren’t allowed to mark up their cars above the MSRP, but it only applied to new cars. So I was forced to buy brand new, but I honestly don’t regret it.
There’s nothing wrong with buying the ute if he’s getting it at a price better than what he could get it used. Dave’s trying to make it something that it’s not, he’s NOT broke he’s got a 100k net worth, he’s got no debt, he’s 100% wrong on this Rachel is 100% right.
No debt, paying cash and the new car (which normally comes with warranties and likely no needed repairs) costs less than a used one (which normally comes with no warranties and greater likelyhood for needed repairs) and they both depreciate driving off the lot.. it's simple math, it's really not rocket science, but it is hard if your premise is 'don't break the rules to the system I created'. The fact is that we are in unprecedented times which means some rules have to adapt. Rachel's right on this one, Great discussion.
Rachel is the ONLY one that can challenge him
Don't be discouraged if you must purchase a vehicle this year; deals are out there, just harder to find and you have to act fast! We just bought a 2007 van from a used car dealership for only $10k! In beautiful condition, only 102k miles, new tires and no engine issues. My husband checked online daily until he found it, and called the dealer immediately. A church was selling it because of under use.
Dave, you're wrong this time. when you Order a car and they sell it to you for $22K, they can't turn around when it shows up and say oh by the way, we now want $35K for it now.
sorry bro, you are wrong. dave, he said "My wife NEEDS a car" he's not asking because he is bored and just wants to spend money
Dealers are only given specific allocations of builds per year. Because the manufacturers website shows you 22k doesn't mean the dealer is willing to part ways with their allocation at 22k, especially if the demand is this high. It's done at time of negotiation, not after delivery on the lot. Even then, you don't own the vehicle at time of order, but on delivery, dealers can still do whatever they want. Dave's argument wasn't framed well, but he's right that this young man will not find a dealer willing to sell their allocation at list. PLUS Ford isn't taking a Maverick order until this summer, so something isn't adding up.
I took delivery of my 2024 Ford F450 Limited back in January for $105k plus tax. I ordered it in July of 2023. Right after I took delivery, I sold it for $119k to someone who didn’t want to wait 6-12 months for a new one. My 2018 F450 Limited is good enough for now, and I put another one on order.
Everything is stupid right now 😒
I think that this whole disagreement is based on an inaccurate premise: he needs to buy another vehicle. So then, he and his wife should decide how much they're going to spend, and then find the best deal for that price.
The premise of this disagreement is that the caller has decided that he "needs" a Ford Maverick, and so how can he spend the least on that vehicle.
I think that's a crucial difference.
So pay more for a used car out of principle? Yeah I'm with her on this one.
It used to be that cars would drop a good 5K when you drove them off the lot. I don't think that is the case now. The prices of cars drop at about 10 years because there is a shortage of good newer cars. People typically aren't just getting rid of cars after a couple years.
Healthy and respectful debate, love to see it.
Same bro
it seemed healthy and respectful from rachel's side, seemed like Dave could only obfuscate and move the goal posts every time she or David brought up a good point or handed him facts. He just said well I don't believe it so it's wrong. Just my two cents.
@@j.asmrgaming1228 Standard behavior from a textbook narcissist.
Not all dealers were selling above MSRP. Toyota went on record saying they were disciplining dealers that did that. The new 2022 Prius I bought in Jan 2022 only cost $5000 more than the 2010 model that it replaced. I had to wait a month because the lot was almost empty.
I’m going to disagree with Dave on this one because math is math, whether it defies the principles he built a multi-million dollar business on or not.
Me too he's way off, no math involve from Dave here lol
If you agree with the statement "math is math," then you should disagree with The Total Money Makeover and his baby steps as he preaches them.
@Prey R Dave and his plan both disagree with you and me.
@Prey R I've never heard him say his rules are flexible, so yes, it is. Including in this video, to the point where he says the guy should spend $4000 more just to get an old car, and then downplays it by constantly doubting the authenticity of the letter the guy had. My guess is he threw a headset through a booth window after this one, and that we won't see Rachel for some time.
It's a shame that Dave is vindictive enough to where other co-hosts aren't comfortable enough to disagree with him. That's a personality flaw of his - but Rachel is comfortable enough to stand up to the bully and speak her mind.
Rachel was absolutely right on this one. Dave can’t admit he’s wrong
My parents just built and ordered a new car through Toyota. It arrived a few months later. They paid what they were quoted. Dealerships and car manufacturers have a reputation to uphold.
Many dealerships have a bad reputation, and they uphold that.
“Cars go down in value” right after Dave hears his teaching crumble before him when she said she can get more for her car than she paid for it a few years ago
Yeah you can get more for your used car but you will also pay more for any used/new car.
We are in a car bubble which will eventually end. Dave said people should 'drive what you got' and he's right.
The only people who would win in this situation is if they ONLY sell a car without buying another one.
Also the 2022 Ford Maverick landed on CR‘s “worst deals on new cars” list, which consists of the 10 new vehicles that are currently selling for the highest premium over sticker price.
There is the reason why David is David Ramsey 👏👏👏
Rachel got him, go new if its for sure cheaper.
Great points coming from Rachel. Best thing one can do is save money and buy some rentals. I started buying a few years ago and now I have over 100 rentals.
She only continues to have a job because she’s his daughter 😂
Ouch 🤕
Funny that got to this video now. In 2022 (when this video was uploaded), we were looking for a used car and we ended up buying a new Ford Maverick. 0 regrets. Very smart decision.
No markups. MSRP and even got window tints, bed spray-in and a couple other extras from the dealership for free because they tried to play smart with me.
Rachel makes more sense then Dave
I ordered my hybrid Ford Maverick in June 2021 and got it in February 2022 - nearly 10 months. If it's the hybrid it will take a while but standard takes a few months from what I've heard
And stuff like this is where Dave loses me. I get it, I taught school for a little while and all of family are teachers and we teach to the 90%. However there is the other minority that shouldn't have to be handcuffed because they understand that it is about moderation.
His mindset is inflexible.
We bought new for the only time during covid. The price of new vs used was within 3000. No regrets here.
I love watching Dave’s videos but he is very stubborn, old school stuck in his ways, traditional, and doesn’t want people to take any risk. I only agree with about 70% of the things he says.
The problem is that most of Dave’s audience has behavior problems managing the money.
If he tells people get a loan and take risk,he is pushing them to think that taking a loan is OK on everything.
Usually people who listen to Dave are full of debt.
I used to save money before I knew Ramsey existed,but I come and hear his videos from time to time to recalibrate myself.
At this moment I bought a new car (I had no choice but to buy the car) and I have the money to pay it off.
Listening to Ramsey I decide to pay off the car rather than paying the loan with 2.49% interest in 60 months.
But most of the people who call Dave buy very expensive and unnecessary cars and items and are full on debt.
Encouraging them to get more risk is wrong strategy.
I better listen to a stubborn Dave who may be off once a while than an Dave who starts loosing up.
This right here is why anyone who buys in (literally) to the idea that principles are principles, and cannot be deviated from regardless of current economic conditions - has been brainwashed. Smart kid, making a reasoned, thought-out decision. Good for him. And they cut off his mic? Stay classy, Dave.
Yeah i appreciate this. Don’t think they cut off my mic to be rude just so it doesn’t turn into a long conversation I get it but I definitely could’ve cleared some things up
@@jaredanderson526 And you should have been given the opportunity. Editing works wonders in terms of time. But it would not have fallen in goose-step with the "principles".
I love Dave and his stuff has changed my life. But this is where Dave's got some dogma around his financial system. If it works out the way the caller says then just like Rachel said, "that's math."
Dave: Used cars are worth more than new cars!
Also Dave 2 minutes later: New cars lose value!
So now that Dave’s stupid “don’t buy a new car unless you’re a millionaire“ rule doesn’t apply anymore, he changes the subject.
He doesn’t like conceding on the rare exceptions to his framework
The problem is that most of Dave’s audience has behavior problems managing the money.
If he tells people get a loan and take risk,he is pushing them to think that taking a loan is OK on everything.
Usually people who listen to Dave are full of debt.
I used to save money before I knew Ramsey existed,but I come and hear his videos from time to time to recalibrate myself.
At this moment I bought a new car (I had no choice but to buy the car) and I have the money to pay it off.
Listening to Ramsey I decide to pay off the car rather than paying the loan with 2.49% interest in 60 months.
But most of the people who call Dave buy very expensive and unnecessary cars and items and are full on debt.
Encouraging them to get more risk is wrong strategy.
I better listen to a stubborn Dave who may be off once a while than an Dave who starts loosing up.
3 years ago i bought a brand new chevy bolt for 32k, because 1 or 2 year old used models were around 35k. Drove it for a year then sold it for 39k.
Dave is principled to a fault. That’s why his advice should be taken with a grain of salt.
Jay, Dave has made more millionaires than you have teeth.
@@alinatamashevich3354 Are you one of them? I didn’t think so….
@@Jay-pf2cn Follower of Dave? Absolutely! Quit watching fake internet gurus that promise wealth before work.
@@alinatamashevich3354 Um, excuse me madam, I simple said people should do their own diligence when taking Dave’s advice. I generally think his advice is solid. Not sure why you’re coming at me all snarky for that comment.
@@Jay-pf2cn Sorry for that, hard to relay the true intent with letters on a screen-Alina. Pray for Ukraine
I don’t think there’s a right answer on this issue as both sides have problems, but I love when Rachel calls out Dave. All the other hosts tend to just be yes men to whatever Dave says. The caller isn’t trying to justify a new car. He’s car shopping and trying to make the best financial decision. That doesn’t necessarily mean that new is best, but Rachel is correct that it should be based on the price, not on the fact that Dave thinks new cars are dumb.
Rachel is right, Dave needs to get out of old ways. I’m surprised she stood up to him.
Anthony O’Neal was the one that had the stuff to disagree with him. Ken, John, and the others will never disagree with Dave
I don't think Dave heard the part where the guy is young, debt-free, needs a car, and has the cash for it. He's not misbehaving. Dave somehow missed that.
It like talking to my dad! Even when he is wrong! 😆
The maverick is awesome. I got almost 90 mpg on a drive the other day. A one-off, but it's the cheapest truck and great on the mpg. So it's not an expensive car.