I saw a crashed 'Busa for part-out on Craigslist with FOUR miles on the clock. I assume some 17-year-old bought it as their first bike and immediately put it into a pole.
@@sweetdeliciouscake i actually started riding recently and the bike i used was a 1994 yamaha TTR250 making 30hp,at some points i was actually suprised by the power a tiny lil single cylinder enduro can make,if that was a liter bike i wouldve crashed it already,idk why anyone would get a 600 or stronger as a beginner(being 17 i think your assumption is completely correct and i blame the clout boy drag race culture where hayabusas are prevalent)
This one right here hits close to home. Always loved bikes and wanted one, best friend from high school got one first, and passed away later that year, cager at fault for making improper left turn. Burying your friend is something that stays with you, I like to think that I've been guided from some potentially perilous accidents by his spirit
@@carbq5280don’t shit on people for losing their life just for being stupid in a moment. It’s tragic either way. Imagine that one time you decided to do a little pull you got cut off and died would you want people to say you died bc you WERE an idiot instead of saying you did something stupid and it cost you.
watched my friend when he was riding drunk and fast got clipped and went face first into the "beatification" rocks on the side of the hwy. died on scene
MT03 rider here! Perfect first bike! Easy to control and honestly does everything any person would need for a daily bike. When I do upgrade to a 07 or 09 I will definitely keep the Mt03 in my stable. Happy with my first bike choice!
You should really clarify here... A ZX6R is WAY different than a Versys 650, which is what I started on as a 6'4 32 year old male. I truly believe that I bought a fantastic beginner bike.
Yup, same for me, I loved the Versys 650, though I found it to be pretty top heavy for learning so I ended up selling it and getting a Versys X-300 instead which is perfect for me. Light, better setup for off road and fast enough for the highway
@@Strothix Gearing, weight, profile. The Versys is a touring motorcycle a different design goal to a track bike so it's purpose is more 'sensible'. It doesn't mean you can't go fast but the rider position etc is more suited for longer trips.
@@Strothix”600” is just a motor class in motorcycles. 600cc in-line 4’s. The only real exception is the 636. They all make 110-120hp or so. 650’s are typically parallel twins that rev lower, so much less power
MT07 first bike right here! I'm very happy with it. Taking things slow. My riding style is more laidback. I'm more into cruising with some power vs thrills and adrenaline.
MT07 has 54 KW, relatvely easy handling, ABS and stuff.. this video is more about people buying 15 year old 80 kW (120bhp) 600cc Yamaha R6s. It's a completely different beast to your MT07 Still you'd probably learn faster on a more suitable bike in the 40ish kW range, which you can ride to it's limit without really hitting your own. But you do you. If you're alright with taking it slow on a faster bike! MT07 is great, many happy journeys!
Started on a 1984 Honda Shadow 500cc in 1984 perfect bike for me stopped riding in 92 just bought my second bike a 2023 Triumph 660 Tiger wouldn’t recommend anything more then a 500 for a first bike and should be mandatory to take a course first.
Old man Squid here (54), inspired in part by watching this channel, passed MSF in April. Took all the Yam advice to heart. Royal Enfield Hunter 350. Not too heavy, not too much power, forgiving gear box, great size. It's been perfect as a starter. I'll move up to something bigger in a couple seasons. Meantime, love riding my slow bike fast.
You were disciplined enough to start slow and learn slow. Please tell me if you rode other bikes or 4 wheelers before. I’m a new rider on a 600 and I have no problem shifting and braking so I’m scared I’ll kill myself because I can go fast and stop fast but none of the advanced skills are there otherwise.
AS SOMEONE THAT STARTED ON A 600 YALL LISTEN UP!! Please listen to this man. I know some people don’t like him but he seriously is looking out for everyone. For those of you that think you’ll be responsible on a 600.. I understand. I truly do. I felt the same way and I like to think I’m a pretty responsible individual. The power you THINK you’re going to get?.. Double it or even triple it. It seriously is a lot of power guys. Not only that but the 250 you learned on(in the MSF course) is nowhere close to the weight you’re going to feel. It’s a different beast and for your own safety get comfortable with something smaller please. Enjoy the ride with something smaller. If you’re really in this for the enjoyment of riding and not just for show, you will enjoy whatever you get. Be safe y’all and keep 2 wheels down 🤝🏾
Yam limiting his content to just street bikes was a huge drag. I barely watch now. Dirt bikes, Super Motos, and Enduros are just as cool as liter bikes and Busas. Probably cooler. Channel fail.
the "bros" who start on 600's bikes are on marketplace for MSRP in less than 1 year (dropped "lightly"), then they never touch a motorcycle ever again. 🤣
We always laugh about this, and claim it happens, but until I bought mine a year and a half ago, I had never actually seen it. I was looking for a cbr600rr or a cb1000r August of 2022, and couldn’t find either within 2,000 miles of central Arkansas. Called a local shop the morning I was looking, and they told me they had a cbr1000rr. I told them I wasn’t looking for a liter bike. I was coming from a 2006 cbr600rr. The universe aligned, and I wound up driving past that shop, 2 hours away from where I live, a few hours later, so I went in, sat on my 2021 cbr1000rr, and I was doing paper work in fifteen minutes. lol. I was really impressed with how small it is. I’m 5’5”. 😂 It’s tall, but it only weighs 434 pounds, and it rides like it’s as small as it feels it is. There was one that was identical to it in the used section. I asked about it, because it had a radiator guard, rail tidy, and a few other things. A guy bought it, rode it until the 600 mile first service, left their shop after the service, took it to redline on the interstate outside the shop, and rode back to trade it in on an Indian. 😂😂
Started on a '17 CB500F, graduated to a '15 Ninja 650R w/ABS, picked up a HD Iron 883 Sportster and now I'm on an '06 CBR600RR. Honestly been a great progression for me and absolutely more than happy with each of these phases over the last 4 years.
I started on a cbr600f3. I no longer have a license. And I crashed into a lightpole and could seriously have died. I was depressed and let my emotions overwhelm me and I was not careful enough. One moment of being careless almost costed me everything. I even started on a cbr300r, but I stepped up way too soon.
Reason why I always have this question always comes down to price of bikes, a lot of people say start low because eventually you’ll want to upgrade, I would rather buy once then buy twice
buy a used bike first. use it for 1 or 2 years. that way you are not really losing any money. buy a bike for 3k and sell it for 2.5k ..... if you think 500 is too much money to invest for 2 years of riding then do not start at all. if you go for some cheaper 300ccm bikes you can even buy a new one for 3k. a VOGE 300AC is about 3k where i live
@@ShadowMcSneaky I’d never buy another bike new, why pay a bunch of dealer fees and have your bike depreciated 2-3k after driving it home your first time. I’d always buy 1-4 year old bikes with under 7k miles from a dealer, definitely the way to go!
@@panda4757 it always depends on what you want. but you can save a lot of money if you buy used :) and i would always advise to do so when you are a beginner. the chance of you dropping it is higher and is very annoying to drop a new bike that you payed a lot of money for. but some people always want new stuff so i mentioned the 300ccm from Voge to show that there are even new bikes that can be affordable. it is a good beginner bike.
@@vebez5993 some riders want to go faster than 130mph, others have no desire to ever hit 100mph. Got speed demons, stunt riders, track racers and then there’s Harley riders/biker club nuts. Just depends on the rider, if you die then you’re dead, if you get hurt then you live in pain and are in debt with the hospital. You Pick, Americas a free country.
Getting my first street bike next week with the New ‘24 KTM Duke 990. Been riding dirt bikes for 20 years, I’m 33 now. I’m a KTM Kyle, owning 3 525’s and a 530 with two of them street legal.
@@vebez5993 What are you talking about? You can easily full throttle 125cc, it's not that powerful, it doesn't even wheelie on dirt without releasing clutch. With 250cc 2-stroke you can do power wheelies and need to be more careful with the throttle
Old fart new rider here, and I bought a used 2012 CBR250RA from a friend who had used it to teach her daughter how to ride. I watched a lot of videos, did research online, and tried to think about how long it takes me to recover from rugby before I finally pulled the trigger. I've only been riding for about 9 months, but am just now getting into highway riding. Everyone needs to do their own research and, as you said, know their own limitations or decide how much risk they are willing to take.
I started on a New 1970 Yamaha 125cc 2 stroke "Enduro" at 16 yrs old. Next was a 1966 Yamaha 350 cc twin 2 stroke. From then moved up to a larger bike each time. After 55yrs I still ride . Victory Cross Country and a Triumph Tiger 800. Start by riding dirt bikes. I did,and It helped me be a better Street rider.
From the UK, hello! After passing my A licence, I bought a Honda CBR 600RR, partly due to being 5' 8". Difference between me and Chad is I am 53 and know when to give it some throttle, but mostly, when not to. I love it as low in the rev range it's happy but when I need to join a motorway etc, I have all the power I will ever need. It's the rider who twists the throttle, not the bike that makes you.
it's different in the UK & europe to the states where you need a licence and to at least show some competancy so have to ride limited cc's to start with, but the whole question is moot, and like everything in life 'it depends'. some folk are just born stupid, and to let a newbie teenager walk into a showroom and ride out with a pocket rocket generally sounds like a recipe for disaster, however theres a lot of stupid older people who ride carelessly, and plenty of youngsters with sense. the best advice i got from my instructor when i asked him he recommended when i passed my test as a newbie was 'ride what you want', it's all about how you use your right hand.
I've had a ninja 400 for a couple years now. And aboslutely love going through all the gear, rev-matching, lwaning it over and using all the gears. I know, I won't ever be able to use even a 400 to its full capability. I recently tried out my dream bike (cbr 600rr) and got to take it around town and i absolutely hated it. I was bored driving around town in only first. Leaning it over felt heavy and took far more effort than i wanted to put it. I will admit when it was leaned over far enough I understood the sweet spot and what it was made to do. Im 28. I don't have desire to go full pin in a straight away (yes, i do get an itch to go fast every once in a while, I'll admit) but i do want enjoy tackling twisties and just understanding a bike. I was disappointed by the cbr. Not because it wasnt a good bike but because i realized that traditional 600s wasnt for my style. I'm now leaning towards a street triple or an aprilia rs 660 but I will definitely try to test ride them. Im not tired of my 400 even a few years later and i definitely think its enough for commuting, twisties, track and most if not all people for street and some fun. Ive never been discouraged by people that talk down to me for having smaller bike (theres been a lot) but the handful in the biking community that understand its enough and still incredibly fun, those are the real ones. Anyways, sorry for the rant.
I started on a CBR250RR (similar enough to a Ninja 400, just far sportier in the riding position) and my original plan was to use the CBR250RR as practice to work my way up to my dream bike which was also the CBR600RR. I ended up getting a Street Triple RS. In reality you would probably find that the Street Triple is essentially a naked version of these 600cc supersports minus the back breaking ergonomics. On the mountain twisties though the Street Triple is simply *chef's kiss*, and if you open the throttle it pulls in ways you won't experience on those actual beginner SS like the Ninja 400 etc - afterall this class of bikes all makes something like 3 times the power on similar weight. However in city traffic on the Street Triple you'll be going no higher than 3rd gear punting around at 3500rpm cos anything higher you'll be kissing your license goodbye in no time with all the cops and speed traps around, just like the CBR600RR. If you love working the throttles and gears don't bother looking at bikes with 100+PS.
Tuesday, just days ago, it’s now Thursday….. I bought a Suzuki GSX 8S as my first bike. I e haven’t Rodin a motorcycle since I was 12, 30 years ago. So I’m a noob for sure. My motorcycle training class isn’t u til the first week in August, over a month from now.
The thing with the acceptance in groups is: I'm from Germany and I ride for 2.5 years. I started with A2 when I was 20. Now I have the unrestricted license for a half year. Since the start I have a Suzuki SV650. In no situation someone tried to mock me because I had not enough power. All I hear is: „oh yeah I rode a SV650 as a beginner too. Always regretted selling it. Such a great motor.“ And when someone tries to mock you because of your bikes power, don’t listen. There will not be much useful coming out of his mouth.
Every time I talk about getting my full A license people tell me to just go straight for 100+hp because everything below is "lazy", I've been riding my KTM 390s for 2 years now on road and track and I've never felt they're too slow. Only exception is on track when you get on a straight and everyone else with 100+ hp shoots off leaving me behind but I just catch up in the corners most of the time
please keep these vlogs of you riding the sled so i can live vicariously through you until im hopefully able to get my own sled next year, when im more experienced and what not
He was a whole lot cooler when he had a dirt bike. He talks like dirt bikes are not motorcycles in this video. WTF. If you can ride a dirt bike proficiently you are not a beginner, period. Bikes are bikes.
I survived starting on an 07 CBR600RR. Rode curvy state roads and gradually added speed. Loved that bike. Just bought my 02 CBR954RR this month. Next bike will be a small beginner bike to up my skills so I can actually push the fireblade. No dirtbikes. Just respect for the machine and a twist of the wrist 2. ATGATT
In U.K. to get a class A license which allows you to ride any size of bike is a 4 stage process. 1, compulsory basic training, in this you learn the basics of motorcycle riding . 2, Theory test with hazard perception 3, Off road test where you master slow speed manoeuvres 4, On road test
And here in New Zealand is basically the same. You have to go through learner phases on restricted Motorcycles before you are allowed to graduate to full power machines
My first road bike was a ‘97 Buell Cyclone. I pulled the trigger on a brand new bike. It taught me a lot. It was a torquey bike and I learned throttle control and smoothness pretty quickly. Powerful brakes, too. My big takeaway with this bike, was smoothness in all that you do, and respect it, or it will kill you. Simple as that.
I started on a gixxer 600, had it for 7 months and bought a gixxer 1k. I dropped the 600 twice (both stupid beginner drops, not trying to hide anything). Had no issues with either bike. I never felt scared of the power on the 600 at any point, never felt like it held me back or got away from me normal riding. When I got the 1k I was just way more careful. I wasn't scared of it, but I understood what it could do and slowly used those capabilities more and more over time, riding mostly reasonably. I never dropped, wrecked or had any issues with the 1k. Great bike. I sold that, and bought a 2017 R1 back in November 2023. Absolutely love it. Phenomenal motorcycle, it is stupid fast, the sound is intoxicating, I just love it, have also never had any issues with it. It does not scare me, but I am constantly aware of its capabilities and what it can do, and I am therefore careful. I don't think I'm special or different than anyone else, I just wanted to start on a 600 because I felt that a smaller bike would have gotten boring quickly, and I think I would have been right. I got used to the power of the 600 very quickly. I'd say the only advantage maybe or leg up I had was that I can drive a stick car, and I learned on my dad's mustang that makes 800 wheel horsepower, and he's had the car for years, so by the time I got a bike I was pretty used to big power. Once again, I'm not special or different than anyone else. If I'm ever asked, I still say start on a ninja 400 or something like it. I just think mentally I had been in the car scene and driven a wildly powerful car, and I kind of understood pretty well what I was getting myself into. Ride safe everyone, much love.
As someone who swapped flying for riding (for montetary reasons) in his mid-50s, riding is therapy and pure zen....my wife has her meditation room, and I have my 2 wheels.....I rarely feel the need to rip it at 150 down the highway, but once in awhile....😄
Started on a 1200cc boxer, yeeted myself into a rather sensible biker now. Recently took out a liter sportbike with chain out and that thing really made sure I respected the difference between engine types.
50cc, 125cc, 500cc scooters. Then choose your bike of choice. I then switched to a 1984 1200cc goldwing. Stalled a few times and now im hitting the highways and canyon carving at only 22yrs old. Start small, progress as you feel comfortable.
But yam!!! I am a fast Boi and need a fast boi bike. I rode an 80cc dirtbike once and I'm going to keep it in the low rpms!!!! Come on Yam!! Plus my civic has the same hp so I'm used to it. Jokes aside I ride an r1 as a daily after years of stepping up and I approve men riding beginner bikes. I will give you nothing but props for getting a bike and learning.
I started out on a 2005 Ninja 250 and rode it for about 2 years. Haven't owned a bike since but you give really good advice here. I was lucky enough to ride a friend's R6 one or two times. It was a cool experience and I'm glad I got to try it, but it was not very comfortable or practical to ride on a regular basis.
I’m gonna be honest This horse is beat to death Bottom line is if you know your own self well enough you know the answer to the question “Should I start on a 600” - If you can honestly respect the machine *Yes* If you can’t respect the machine *No*
My first motorcycle is a 1981 Honda CB650 with a 4 into 4... Granted, I've only ever purchased manual cars, and I ride road bicycle every day, so it only took me about a day to get my head around it, and I already look ahead to anticipate car actions.
My wife managed oron a zx6r. Her 1st maiden trip was a euro tour to Italy’s northern lakes. However, she felt way more comfortable and at ease with a little gpz500s.
Thoughts on buying a RS660 in about 18 months. 50 year old first time rider. Currently have a Vulcan S. Having allot of fun on the Vulcan but want to try a different style of riding as well. Have access to an R3 and enjoy it too.
I started actual street riding with a DR350. Rode it for a year or so then went to a pokey KLR 650, which felt like a superbike to me at the time. Now it feels like a little dirt bike. But I’m glad I started on a smaller bike. I’ve spoken at the funeral of a wonderful young man chose a CBR 600. Please don’t let that be you.
My first bike was a brand new GSX-R600 (2006 K6). I survived and "I'm fine". Would I recommend someone else do it? No. It was a mistake. I commuted to work in traffic on a race bike; definition of "made it harder on myself". It was my daily. I was really bad and, looking back, there were better options that would have been so much more... helpful to learning. I still love that bike but I am also convinced that I would have been a better rider and had more fun on a "starter" bike. I bought the "cool" bike that I could afford and ended up looking dumb duck-walking and dropping it trying to park on uneven parking lots.
i started on a 2015 street triple rx. saving grace was that i was in my early 30's and not looking to die. can't imagine if i had started on that level bike in my teenage years.
Grew up on dirt bikes. Went for my first street bike and got told to go with a 300-400. I did. It lasted a month before I turned it in for the GSX 8R and I was instantly more comfortable with that then the 390 duke. So its not really a one size fits all answer. Brand new to riding? Absolutely start on a 300 or 400. As always, Yammie nailed it. Also you are the reason I went with that 8R and I thank you for that,
Got it dialed up slowly, Dutch based, gs500 - sv650 - dorsoduro 750 - Street triple S - Street triple R - now on a Speed twin 1200. Looks old but has 112nM of torque very low in the rev’s. Glad I worked up to that cause I can ride it properly instead of dumb highway pulls
I started on an MT07 and I’m having a blast. I rode a 50cc during my teens and had car experience to know how to behave in the road, plus as a EU citizen I took my license course (with an MT07) and examination with an instructor that was all about safety and making yourself visible in the road. All of this led to being a good decision for me, but definitely not for everyone. The first time I drove that machine at the driving school it was scary AF, but in the end you gotta know your limits!
My first bike at 17 in 1997 was a brand new ZX-6R. My second bike was a brand new 2000 R1. I kept both for a while. In 2001 I sold the Ninja. In 2002 I sold the R1, and bought a brand new GSX-R1000. Traded that in for a brand new K6 (still have it). 2008 bought an R6 that was 100% for the track. Sold it in 2012. In 2016 I bought a ZX-10R KRT. Still have both 2006 K6, and 2016 KRT 10R. So, to summarize my first bike was a 600. Rode it for 4 years and bought a 1000. Been riding liter bikes 24yrs. Zero regrets. Started track days in ‘99 after having my 6R for 2yrs. Still prefer my liter bikes for the street. Having both offered some flexibility for how I wanted to ride though.
Not all are fortunate enough to have an early start at riding. After 68 years as a rider, I feel a 125 to a 250 is starter bike size. Since during my first 4 years, I was too young to ride on the streets. It means I had to ride the trails and dirt roads. I learned more on that little 165cc two stroke in the dirt and gravel than you can imagine. By the time I got a 250 and hit the streets I was very comfortable with a motorcycle which made learning about traffic much easier and safer. Was flat tracking an XR750 Harley by age 16. Riding dirt will teach you more about motorcycle handling and dynamics than 10 years of street riding in less than 3 months. I would recommend doing some dirt time followed by hard surface road racing track days. After the above activities and 6 to 8 years on the mean streets, a motorcycle will be as natural and enjoyable as breathing. Now that all these many years have passed, I enjoy every ride with the anticipation and joy of April 6, 1956.
In 2000, i started with a 1984 Magna V45 (700 cc) . it had the potential to be a beast, but handled very calmly. Im now on a Tracer9 GT, because of commuting on Los Angeles freeways. If youre in my area, a 300 is going to be a difficult struggle.
No matter how small the bike, (NOBODY IN A CAR CARES HOW SMALL IT IS). Wanna start small, just do it. Learn and get a bigger bike later. I recommend taking an msf course. Its a great start. Just be careful and have fun. GOD bless us all
Just got my first bike fz6r, originally was planning on getting an r3 but my dad whos been riding most his life, even raced recommend i get something bigger, honestly couldnt be happier, it feels like the perfect amount of punch for me
The fz6r is a VERY detuned 600. Yes it’s technically a 600cc but it really isn’t a 600 like the super sports he’s talking about. It’s a good beginner bike that doesn’t have a lot of power
Starting on a Z400 after zero prior riding experience and taking the MSF, so far loving it! I live in central FL and having a city street weapon of a vehicle is awesome. the highway is the only place to let a 600 sing, and most street riding is where a small-er displacement bike shines.(or one that hits peak power before 10k rpms)
Huh, a complete beginner here that just started on 600cc honda few weeks ago. I'm on older side so didn't mean to drive a rocket, actually got this cbf600 without knowing much because it had a great price and condition. It is damn scary but fun and if I'm not splattered onto some wall in near future I'll comment here again :) Thanks for great videos btw mate.
When people (potential squids) on the internet talks about "600cc bikes as beginner bikes" they are specifically taking about 600cc supersports bikes - namely the Kawasaki Ninja ZX6, Honda CBR600RR, Yamaha R6 and Suzuki GSX-R600. These bikes make something between 100-120 horses on a sub-420 pound weight from the factory which means they have insanely high power to weight ratio (and if you crunch the numbers - better power to weight ratio than a good number of sports cars) so saying they are FAST is sort of an understatement, which is why the question of whether a beginner should get those as their first bike comes up. Your CBF600 while technically a 600cc bike is not in the same category as these 4 bikes as it only makes like half the power with far more weight. So if you think your CBF600 is scary, think how much MORE scary it is when the power of your bike is doubled, and now picture a complete beginner trying to learn to ride on one....
After 3 years on my Ninja 400, I feel absolutely zero desire to get a bigger bike. I’ve tried much bigger bikes and still prefer the 400. A lot of new riders have this misconception that they will eventually “grow out” of something like the 400 and need something bigger. The 400/500 class can simply do everything you need on any road. They’re cheaper, super reliable, and the light weight makes them too much fun. It’s like having a really zippy little Toyota hatchback that’s indestructible. Compared to cars they’re not actually slow. Specifically when you look at between 0 and 90. They can do 0-60 in 4 1/2 seconds. That’s super fast for car standards.
@@DaltonNMantz to each their own. I choose the bike that I enjoy the most. Not what other people think is “fast enough”. Too slow for what? Are you a track rider, or like to go 100+ all the time?
@@DaltonNMantz I just saw your other comment. You only started riding a week ago and you think your 650 is too slow? Are you trying to set a land speed record? Try some twisty roads. They’re a whole lot better than the interstate.
I have been driving a bmw 310r for city commuting and it’s been great. I did all kinds of research and then just figured that any first bike between 250 and 400cc is fun and awesome to learn on. Also agree that 400cc on modern motorcycle is more than enough.
There are also the old 600 cc naked like hornet 600 or xj6 But they are forgotten and no one wants them anymore with the raising of the parallel twin area
In my part of the world, Australia, we have a restriction of power output for learners. We are allowed an engine restricted to 150 kilowatt per metric tonne, not exceeding 655cc. If you are younger and just starting out in your riding career, you have a learners permit for 12 months and then 2 years of a provisional licence. Then after that, you can get an unrestricted motorcycle.
i started on a 600, started riding this year at 34, i am a pilot tho so respect for machines is part of what i do. xd super fun went easy, still learning. reason i started on one is i just really liked it and bought from a friend. low miles and awesome price for the machine was going to do a rebel 400 but im glad i did what i did for me.
I have a little experience in car racing and karting, and I can tell you this: If the car is faster than me, I’m not progressing. If I feel like the car is slow, I start to improve in small areas to find that sweet spot, and feel much more in control. On bikes, even if you can be disciplined and handle it, it’s likely still gonna be more enjoyable when you actually CAN go closer to the bike’s limit.
I'm just that guy. I grew up on the dirt bikes and holding onto the back of Harleys as long as I remember, and when I started exploring for street motorcycles I realistically didn't want something like the Honda 250s i had tapped out the range on. I immediately wanted to size up. Learning to respect the road came with time and crashes but its something I mastered before having something that was built for the streets. In fact it was the 175 Comp Quad that I traded for my first bike the 1996 Kawasaki Ninja GPX600R (With the purple 90s vibes) that i rolled long before i knew streets didn't slide like dirt. Its hard owning an older bike, and it is truly not for the uninitiated to run a 600 as your first street bike, but if you have the understanding of how to PROPERLY ride dirt bikes, you should be fine to take BABY STEPS on a larger street bike. The amount of information I get from you tube about street riding keeps me humble because it is like playing softball vs baseball, they act similar but your dirt bike riding is only going to translate so much to the road. Thanks Yam, you should send me a bike from this millennium ;)
Started on an 01 Suzuki Bandit GSF600S 600CC inline 4, honestly love it, enough power to give me some thrill, and let me slowly expand that thrill as I feel confident and comfortable, but enough power to keep me in check because I KNOW it can kill me if I fuck around (now of course, so can a 250cc if I tried hard enough, but you get my point) Its my only bike, I started riding 3 weeks ago, have not dropped the bike or pushed it beyond what is reasonable (with some mild squiding involved), but never took risks beyond what I trust I can handle, no insane cornering, trying to stunt the bike, etc. I just want to ride. The 600 I got was the best condition used bike in my area and in my budget, and that's why I chose it
I got a 750 harley street as my first bike. When i asked around about starter bikes i pretty much given 2 options. Either get sumthin small that you'll outgrow in a year or 2, or get sumthin in 500 - 750 range and take ur time to learn the bike and have it for years to come.
Depends on the type of bike. I found a 700 honda shadow to be a great beginner bike. Then again its build for a different purpose even if still close to the same cc as the bikes you are referring to.
There are 2 types of 600, the “R” and the “N” or “F” type. The F or R can be suitable for a new rider with some sort of experience. The R type can be very tricky. 350/500 are a good school for power, weight, stoppage,etc
my mom and dad had a 04 636 and they stopped riding a while ago. ive always wanted to ride naturally and it was the bike ive started on because its a free bike and it’s what i had access to. ive gotten so much better at riding but i rode my friends ninja 400 and man that thing is fun, comfortable but somewhat sporty, i like how you can wring it out without feeling scared. If i could do it over again and i didnt have access to a free bike, i would not start on a 600. id definitely start on a traditional beginner bike
I started almost 3 years on Honda CB 600F (basicly the same engine as in CBR600) but had it restricted to 35kw because of the A2 license. About a month ago I opened it to full power of 69kw and I'm glad I didn't start on full power right away
I started riding in April when i bought a F900r 99hp and 67lb of torque. I'm going to be 30 and imo if you are older and mature you could handle the beginner plus category. So far have rode close to 1k safe miles. You are right a bike like this isnt great of a starter bike because even though its not "fast" because it tops out at roughly 135mph It'll get you to 100 in a damn hurry and the first time i truly cracked open the throttle i realized how hard it was to hold onto lol. Love the new outro.
I started on a ninja 250 back in 09 and that lasted about six months before I felt the pressure from my friends to get a 600. But I think it was best because it helped understand how fast even that little bike can go and how vulnerable you are in the open road. It def got me ready for my r6 that I ended up getting
I didn’t start on a 600 I started on a 1k. I was 49 years old but still started on a 2021 GSXR 1000. I had very little motorcycle experience but I’ve been riding atv’s since I was able to reach the controls. I’m not here to say anyone should or should not start on a 600cc+ sport bike just that i did it. I didn’t get a bike for years because i always wanted a sport bike, I mean the bike in Top Gun is what made me want a bike. The ZX1100 Ninja was my favorite bike for a long time, till the ZX1200 came out. I didn’t get one because I knew I would probably kill or at best severely injure myself. I made the decision last year that I was going to get a bike and I wanted a liter bike so that what I got. I know this is tltr but just some of my thoughts.
It's important to note that a 600 Ninja is a world apart from a 650 ADV. I would absolutely recommend a 650 V-strom to a beginner over 5'9" 180lbs. The weight is all up high making it a bit rough for shorter beginners.
Here in Sweden if you want the "full" tier of motorcycle licence it is *required* that you do the driving test on a bike with 600+ CC, above ~65HP and above 170KG weight. That being said, it can be any type of 600CC+ bike, not necessarily a supersport.
I got myself a liter bike about a year into riding a year back. Haven't been on the track with it yet. The V4R caught my eye and I ride it almost daily. Haven't died yet. But hard to die at 45mph with almost no traffic.
Started on a 16 street triple r last year, and last week I bought a 23 s1000r. Next week it has the 1000km service, and I'm off to the track :D I'm 35 and it has been fine, although there has been a few situations.
started on a 06 daytona 675 2 months ago, 1000 miles under my belt. started out rough first week but got much better after I started putting in repetition to practicing the basics. good starter bike for those who like the sport bike scene, at least in my opinion 👍
Friend of mine wanted to return to biking after a 25 year break. His last bike all those years ago was a Susuki 1100 EFE (i think). He was smitten with the new Hyabusa with a 4k discount but couldn’t get it because absolutely no one would insure him. I think there’s a valid reason why.
My first street bike was a cbr600f2 and it almost immediately wasn’t fast enough. Turbo zx14 or hayabusa is the best beginner bike hands down. Little bit more power and a boost controller to keep you from getting bored.
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You should specify the TYPE of engine & bike. I could see a beginner starting with a RE Super Meteor 650.
thankfully the almighty hayabusa isnt a 600cc bike,that just certifies its status as the best beginner bike
I saw a crashed 'Busa for part-out on Craigslist with FOUR miles on the clock. I assume some 17-year-old bought it as their first bike and immediately put it into a pole.
@sweetdeliciouscake That's crazy dude. $20000 motorcycle and they rode it 11k feet. (Usually new bikes have 2 miles)
@@sweetdeliciouscake i actually started riding recently and the bike i used was a 1994 yamaha TTR250 making 30hp,at some points i was actually suprised by the power a tiny lil single cylinder enduro can make,if that was a liter bike i wouldve crashed it already,idk why anyone would get a 600 or stronger as a beginner(being 17 i think your assumption is completely correct and i blame the clout boy drag race culture where hayabusas are prevalent)
Exactly
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"Should I start on a 600?"
The correct answer is "You should start on a 50cc when you're 7 years old. That's the right way to do it!"
crap, im screwed then. I started 42 years too late.
Bingo. My first street bike was a 600 and I had zero problems, owing to the fact I grew up on dirt bikes. I outgrew the 600 in about 2 years.
oh yah thats what i did, crashed my first 600
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Been trying to get Yammie to do a video on kids and youth bikes.
If your group thinks less of you for the bike you ride, you’re in the wrong group.
When you bury your first friend who died on a fast bike it tends to focus your mind.
Never confuse your ambition with your aptitude
This one right here hits close to home. Always loved bikes and wanted one, best friend from high school got one first, and passed away later that year, cager at fault for making improper left turn. Burying your friend is something that stays with you, I like to think that I've been guided from some potentially perilous accidents by his spirit
@artyomroukas4664 using the word cager is some of the cringest shit ever, I'm sure your buddy would be here if he wasn't doing 100 mph lol
@@carbq5280don’t shit on people for losing their life just for being stupid in a moment. It’s tragic either way. Imagine that one time you decided to do a little pull you got cut off and died would you want people to say you died bc you WERE an idiot instead of saying you did something stupid and it cost you.
watched my friend when he was riding drunk and fast got clipped and went face first into the "beatification" rocks on the side of the hwy. died on scene
@@drakeb6168 many such cases
MT03 rider here! Perfect first bike! Easy to control and honestly does everything any person would need for a daily bike. When I do upgrade to a 07 or 09 I will definitely keep the Mt03 in my stable. Happy with my first bike choice!
You should really clarify here... A ZX6R is WAY different than a Versys 650, which is what I started on as a 6'4 32 year old male. I truly believe that I bought a fantastic beginner bike.
Yup, same for me, I loved the Versys 650, though I found it to be pretty top heavy for learning so I ended up selling it and getting a Versys X-300 instead which is perfect for me. Light, better setup for off road and fast enough for the highway
I'm a little confused myself actually, as a complete noob.. Is a 650 not even more power then a normal 600? Why would a 650 anything be easier?
@@Strothix Gearing, weight, profile. The Versys is a touring motorcycle a different design goal to a track bike so it's purpose is more 'sensible'. It doesn't mean you can't go fast but the rider position etc is more suited for longer trips.
@@kuangsheng3891 Ahh ok i see, thanks!
@@Strothix”600” is just a motor class in motorcycles. 600cc in-line 4’s. The only real exception is the 636. They all make 110-120hp or so. 650’s are typically parallel twins that rev lower, so much less power
MT07 first bike right here! I'm very happy with it. Taking things slow. My riding style is more laidback. I'm more into cruising with some power vs thrills and adrenaline.
MT07 is a great bike, I love mine
Same here. Comfortable cruising and very "flickable" on twisties. Occasionally get a 0-60 thrill on a red light.
MT07 has 54 KW, relatvely easy handling, ABS and stuff.. this video is more about people buying 15 year old 80 kW (120bhp) 600cc Yamaha R6s. It's a completely different beast to your MT07
Still you'd probably learn faster on a more suitable bike in the 40ish kW range, which you can ride to it's limit without really hitting your own. But you do you. If you're alright with taking it slow on a faster bike! MT07 is great, many happy journeys!
Started on a 1984 Honda Shadow 500cc in 1984 perfect bike for me stopped riding in 92 just bought my second bike a 2023 Triumph 660 Tiger wouldn’t recommend anything more then a 500 for a first bike and should be mandatory to take a course first.
Best bike for the money in my opinion.
Old man Squid here (54), inspired in part by watching this channel, passed MSF in April.
Took all the Yam advice to heart. Royal Enfield Hunter 350. Not too heavy, not too much power, forgiving gear box, great size.
It's been perfect as a starter. I'll move up to something bigger in a couple seasons.
Meantime, love riding my slow bike fast.
Brilliant. 👌🏻
Not being an idiot is key. I understand that is a lot to ask.
That is a fact.
@@Maui-Moto especially when our reptilian brain starts having fun and says "more throttle... more!". =D
I started on a 06 R6 with no experience or friends that had bikes. I still own the bike today. No crashes or drops.
major props for the self control but i have that engine in my bike and im the same way solely cause its terrifying asf to have that power
You were disciplined enough to start slow and learn slow. Please tell me if you rode other bikes or 4 wheelers before. I’m a new rider on a 600 and I have no problem shifting and braking so I’m scared I’ll kill myself because I can go fast and stop fast but none of the advanced skills are there otherwise.
Ok....still a terrible beginner bike.
u r MAN.
"I wANt A BiKe I cAn gRoW INtO"
AS SOMEONE THAT STARTED ON A 600 YALL LISTEN UP!! Please listen to this man. I know some people don’t like him but he seriously is looking out for everyone. For those of you that think you’ll be responsible on a 600.. I understand. I truly do. I felt the same way and I like to think I’m a pretty responsible individual. The power you THINK you’re going to get?.. Double it or even triple it. It seriously is a lot of power guys. Not only that but the 250 you learned on(in the MSF course) is nowhere close to the weight you’re going to feel. It’s a different beast and for your own safety get comfortable with something smaller please. Enjoy the ride with something smaller. If you’re really in this for the enjoyment of riding and not just for show, you will enjoy whatever you get. Be safe y’all and keep 2 wheels down 🤝🏾
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I'm a dirt bike Kyle kid and I still got a 390 duke. It's an absolute blast on Twisties. I love wringing the thing out
Yam limiting his content to just street bikes was a huge drag. I barely watch now. Dirt bikes, Super Motos, and Enduros are just as cool as liter bikes and Busas. Probably cooler. Channel fail.
Dukes are super fun!
the "bros" who start on 600's bikes are on marketplace for MSRP in less than 1 year (dropped "lightly"), then they never touch a motorcycle ever again. 🤣
😂 true!!
We always laugh about this, and claim it happens, but until I bought mine a year and a half ago, I had never actually seen it. I was looking for a cbr600rr or a cb1000r August of 2022, and couldn’t find either within 2,000 miles of central Arkansas. Called a local shop the morning I was looking, and they told me they had a cbr1000rr. I told them I wasn’t looking for a liter bike. I was coming from a 2006 cbr600rr. The universe aligned, and I wound up driving past that shop, 2 hours away from where I live, a few hours later, so I went in, sat on my 2021 cbr1000rr, and I was doing paper work in fifteen minutes. lol. I was really impressed with how small it is. I’m 5’5”. 😂 It’s tall, but it only weighs 434 pounds, and it rides like it’s as small as it feels it is. There was one that was identical to it in the used section. I asked about it, because it had a radiator guard, rail tidy, and a few other things. A guy bought it, rode it until the 600 mile first service, left their shop after the service, took it to redline on the interstate outside the shop, and rode back to trade it in on an Indian. 😂😂
I started on a gixxer 600, 20 years ago here in LA, …still riding, daily..fjr1300
So true. I know a few guys like this even.
The truest comment on this video.
Started on a '17 CB500F, graduated to a '15 Ninja 650R w/ABS, picked up a HD Iron 883 Sportster and now I'm on an '06 CBR600RR. Honestly been a great progression for me and absolutely more than happy with each of these phases over the last 4 years.
I started on a cbr600f3. I no longer have a license.
And I crashed into a lightpole and could seriously have died. I was depressed and let my emotions overwhelm me and I was not careful enough. One moment of being careless almost costed me everything.
I even started on a cbr300r, but I stepped up way too soon.
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Start on a 250cc, 400cc, or 650cc, but not a 600cc.
650 was my starter lol
125cc is fast enough
@@IntrovertMaxxing 125 are usually little and light bikes, its too small for me
@@drozdforce8853 I'm a big dude too...tbf I prob look fkd up riding one 🤣
Glad that zx4rr is 400cc😊
Reason why I always have this question always comes down to price of bikes, a lot of people say start low because eventually you’ll want to upgrade, I would rather buy once then buy twice
buy a used bike first. use it for 1 or 2 years. that way you are not really losing any money. buy a bike for 3k and sell it for 2.5k ..... if you think 500 is too much money to invest for 2 years of riding then do not start at all. if you go for some cheaper 300ccm bikes you can even buy a new one for 3k. a VOGE 300AC is about 3k where i live
@@ShadowMcSneaky I’d never buy another bike new, why pay a bunch of dealer fees and have your bike depreciated 2-3k after driving it home your first time. I’d always buy 1-4 year old bikes with under 7k miles from a dealer, definitely the way to go!
Get a 650-700cc bike not a 600cc inline 4 super sport lol
@@panda4757 it always depends on what you want. but you can save a lot of money if you buy used :) and i would always advise to do so when you are a beginner. the chance of you dropping it is higher and is very annoying to drop a new bike that you payed a lot of money for. but some people always want new stuff so i mentioned the 300ccm from Voge to show that there are even new bikes that can be affordable. it is a good beginner bike.
@@vebez5993 some riders want to go faster than 130mph, others have no desire to ever hit 100mph. Got speed demons, stunt riders, track racers and then there’s Harley riders/biker club nuts. Just depends on the rider, if you die then you’re dead, if you get hurt then you live in pain and are in debt with the hospital. You Pick, Americas a free country.
Getting my first street bike next week with the New ‘24 KTM Duke 990. Been riding dirt bikes for 20 years, I’m 33 now. I’m a KTM Kyle, owning 3 525’s and a 530 with two of them street legal.
Best thing you can do to gain experience quick without much risk is go offroad on a used 125cc dual sport.
I’d partly agree. You get a lot of throttle control and forgiving falls.
No. 125cc doesn't teach you proper throttle control. You are wide open all the time lol
@@huskers1278 then try drifting on gravel without throttle control
@@huskers1278off-road teaches you better throttle control and traction. No ones full throttling a 125cc dual sport In the dirt
@@vebez5993 What are you talking about? You can easily full throttle 125cc, it's not that powerful, it doesn't even wheelie on dirt without releasing clutch. With 250cc 2-stroke you can do power wheelies and need to be more careful with the throttle
Recently got the FZ6 as a first bike. Love every bit of it. Nimble, quick, non stingy and pretty tame under 7k. Just behave and know your limit.
Old fart new rider here, and I bought a used 2012 CBR250RA from a friend who had used it to teach her daughter how to ride. I watched a lot of videos, did research online, and tried to think about how long it takes me to recover from rugby before I finally pulled the trigger. I've only been riding for about 9 months, but am just now getting into highway riding. Everyone needs to do their own research and, as you said, know their own limitations or decide how much risk they are willing to take.
Why’d it take you 9 months to get on to the highway?? The highway is safer anyways
@@vebez5993 because highways in Texas are absolute madness, and while I like riding, I like living more. So progression meant taking it slow.
@@Modanogrrrl oh yeah Texas freeways are bad. That’s valid
you're not wrong, there's nothing to prove if you're at a sensible age and like living rather than risking it all..
On the rare occasion when I want to rip at 90mph on my Harley I'll get on I45 and go. There isn't much I'm outrunning though!
I started on a New 1970 Yamaha 125cc 2 stroke "Enduro" at 16 yrs old. Next was a 1966 Yamaha 350 cc twin 2 stroke. From then moved up to a larger bike each time. After 55yrs I still ride . Victory Cross Country and a Triumph Tiger 800. Start by riding dirt bikes. I did,and It helped me be a better Street rider.
Bought a 24 R3 after watching a lot of your beginner bike videos. It’s amazing. Keep up the great work!
I started a year ago on an mt07 and it's a great beginner bike if you have some self control. Awesome bike!
Just Started on a 750 Gsxr going great so far lots of learning lessons have been learnt
From the UK, hello! After passing my A licence, I bought a Honda CBR 600RR, partly due to being 5' 8". Difference between me and Chad is I am 53 and know when to give it some throttle, but mostly, when not to. I love it as low in the rev range it's happy but when I need to join a motorway etc, I have all the power I will ever need. It's the rider who twists the throttle, not the bike that makes you.
Thanks Yammie, very helpful your explanations. I saw the whole Video and after it I have this question: should I begin in a 600cc or not?
I started on a desert sled. Now I have a triumph 1200 XE. Exactly what I need
I Learned to ride on a 1975 Honda CB750 Four K5... on the way home... after I bought it! 🤪
It took me an hour and a half for a twenty minute trip.
You mean when there were no cell phones, crazy bad drivers, and much less traffic? 🤙🤙
Reminds me of my first ride home. Terrified on the Richmond bridge.
@@NoFrictionZone
Yup... back in the Stone Age.
I had to chisel out my own tires for it at the local quarry! 👍😄
@@NoFrictionZone arguably drivers are worse these days, particularly due to smart phone distraction and texting.
it's different in the UK & europe to the states where you need a licence and to at least show some competancy so have to ride limited cc's to start with, but the whole question is moot, and like everything in life 'it depends'. some folk are just born stupid, and to let a newbie teenager walk into a showroom and ride out with a pocket rocket generally sounds like a recipe for disaster, however theres a lot of stupid older people who ride carelessly, and plenty of youngsters with sense. the best advice i got from my instructor when i asked him he recommended when i passed my test as a newbie was 'ride what you want', it's all about how you use your right hand.
I've had a ninja 400 for a couple years now. And aboslutely love going through all the gear, rev-matching, lwaning it over and using all the gears. I know, I won't ever be able to use even a 400 to its full capability.
I recently tried out my dream bike (cbr 600rr) and got to take it around town and i absolutely hated it. I was bored driving around town in only first. Leaning it over felt heavy and took far more effort than i wanted to put it. I will admit when it was leaned over far enough I understood the sweet spot and what it was made to do.
Im 28. I don't have desire to go full pin in a straight away (yes, i do get an itch to go fast every once in a while, I'll admit) but i do want enjoy tackling twisties and just understanding a bike.
I was disappointed by the cbr. Not because it wasnt a good bike but because i realized that traditional 600s wasnt for my style.
I'm now leaning towards a street triple or an aprilia rs 660 but I will definitely try to test ride them.
Im not tired of my 400 even a few years later and i definitely think its enough for commuting, twisties, track and most if not all people for street and some fun.
Ive never been discouraged by people that talk down to me for having smaller bike (theres been a lot) but the handful in the biking community that understand its enough and still incredibly fun, those are the real ones.
Anyways, sorry for the rant.
I started on a CBR250RR (similar enough to a Ninja 400, just far sportier in the riding position) and my original plan was to use the CBR250RR as practice to work my way up to my dream bike which was also the CBR600RR. I ended up getting a Street Triple RS. In reality you would probably find that the Street Triple is essentially a naked version of these 600cc supersports minus the back breaking ergonomics. On the mountain twisties though the Street Triple is simply *chef's kiss*, and if you open the throttle it pulls in ways you won't experience on those actual beginner SS like the Ninja 400 etc - afterall this class of bikes all makes something like 3 times the power on similar weight. However in city traffic on the Street Triple you'll be going no higher than 3rd gear punting around at 3500rpm cos anything higher you'll be kissing your license goodbye in no time with all the cops and speed traps around, just like the CBR600RR.
If you love working the throttles and gears don't bother looking at bikes with 100+PS.
I just got my first bike and it’s a 865cc triumph bonneville
Tuesday, just days ago, it’s now Thursday…..
I bought a Suzuki GSX 8S as my first bike. I e haven’t Rodin a motorcycle since I was 12, 30 years ago. So I’m a noob for sure. My motorcycle training class isn’t u til the first week in August, over a month from now.
The thing with the acceptance in groups is: I'm from Germany and I ride for 2.5 years. I started with A2 when I was 20. Now I have the unrestricted license for a half year. Since the start I have a Suzuki SV650. In no situation someone tried to mock me because I had not enough power. All I hear is: „oh yeah I rode a SV650 as a beginner too. Always regretted selling it. Such a great motor.“ And when someone tries to mock you because of your bikes power, don’t listen. There will not be much useful coming out of his mouth.
Every time I talk about getting my full A license people tell me to just go straight for 100+hp because everything below is "lazy", I've been riding my KTM 390s for 2 years now on road and track and I've never felt they're too slow. Only exception is on track when you get on a straight and everyone else with 100+ hp shoots off leaving me behind but I just catch up in the corners most of the time
2018 Honda Rebel 500 my first and I have been riding for 4 years now and I love it.
please keep these vlogs of you riding the sled so i can live vicariously through you until im hopefully able to get my own sled next year, when im more experienced and what not
He was a whole lot cooler when he had a dirt bike. He talks like dirt bikes are not motorcycles in this video. WTF. If you can ride a dirt bike proficiently you are not a beginner, period. Bikes are bikes.
I survived starting on an 07 CBR600RR. Rode curvy state roads and gradually added speed. Loved that bike. Just bought my 02 CBR954RR this month. Next bike will be a small beginner bike to up my skills so I can actually push the fireblade. No dirtbikes. Just respect for the machine and a twist of the wrist 2. ATGATT
In U.K. to get a class A license which allows you to ride any size of bike is a 4 stage process. 1, compulsory basic training, in this you learn the basics of motorcycle riding . 2, Theory test with hazard perception 3, Off road test where you master slow speed manoeuvres 4, On road test
And here in New Zealand is basically the same. You have to go through learner phases on restricted Motorcycles before you are allowed to graduate to full power machines
My first road bike was a ‘97 Buell Cyclone. I pulled the trigger on a brand new bike. It taught me a lot. It was a torquey bike and I learned throttle control and smoothness pretty quickly. Powerful brakes, too. My big takeaway with this bike, was smoothness in all that you do, and respect it, or it will kill you. Simple as that.
I started on a gixxer 600, had it for 7 months and bought a gixxer 1k. I dropped the 600 twice (both stupid beginner drops, not trying to hide anything). Had no issues with either bike. I never felt scared of the power on the 600 at any point, never felt like it held me back or got away from me normal riding. When I got the 1k I was just way more careful. I wasn't scared of it, but I understood what it could do and slowly used those capabilities more and more over time, riding mostly reasonably. I never dropped, wrecked or had any issues with the 1k. Great bike. I sold that, and bought a 2017 R1 back in November 2023. Absolutely love it. Phenomenal motorcycle, it is stupid fast, the sound is intoxicating, I just love it, have also never had any issues with it. It does not scare me, but I am constantly aware of its capabilities and what it can do, and I am therefore careful. I don't think I'm special or different than anyone else, I just wanted to start on a 600 because I felt that a smaller bike would have gotten boring quickly, and I think I would have been right. I got used to the power of the 600 very quickly. I'd say the only advantage maybe or leg up I had was that I can drive a stick car, and I learned on my dad's mustang that makes 800 wheel horsepower, and he's had the car for years, so by the time I got a bike I was pretty used to big power. Once again, I'm not special or different than anyone else. If I'm ever asked, I still say start on a ninja 400 or something like it. I just think mentally I had been in the car scene and driven a wildly powerful car, and I kind of understood pretty well what I was getting myself into. Ride safe everyone, much love.
As someone who swapped flying for riding (for montetary reasons) in his mid-50s, riding is therapy and pure zen....my wife has her meditation room, and I have my 2 wheels.....I rarely feel the need to rip it at 150 down the highway, but once in awhile....😄
Started on a 1200cc boxer, yeeted myself into a rather sensible biker now. Recently took out a liter sportbike with chain out and that thing really made sure I respected the difference between engine types.
50cc, 125cc, 500cc scooters. Then choose your bike of choice. I then switched to a 1984 1200cc goldwing. Stalled a few times and now im hitting the highways and canyon carving at only 22yrs old. Start small, progress as you feel comfortable.
But yam!!! I am a fast Boi and need a fast boi bike. I rode an 80cc dirtbike once and I'm going to keep it in the low rpms!!!! Come on Yam!! Plus my civic has the same hp so I'm used to it.
Jokes aside I ride an r1 as a daily after years of stepping up and I approve men riding beginner bikes. I will give you nothing but props for getting a bike and learning.
Yammie talks about an uptick in people caring about safety and I think we should all credit Papa Noob for helping a new generation of safe riders.
I started out on a 2005 Ninja 250 and rode it for about 2 years. Haven't owned a bike since but you give really good advice here. I was lucky enough to ride a friend's R6 one or two times. It was a cool experience and I'm glad I got to try it, but it was not very comfortable or practical to ride on a regular basis.
I started with a 07 GSXR 600. coming from dirt bikes an ATV . BUT I GOT BORED OF BIke RIDING , NOW 10YRS LATER I WANT A BOBBER
That question builds most yt channels
I’m gonna be honest
This horse is beat to death
Bottom line is if you know your own self well enough you know the answer to the question
“Should I start on a 600”
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If you can honestly respect the machine
*Yes*
If you can’t respect the machine
*No*
My first motorcycle is a 1981 Honda CB650 with a 4 into 4... Granted, I've only ever purchased manual cars, and I ride road bicycle every day, so it only took me about a day to get my head around it, and I already look ahead to anticipate car actions.
My wife managed oron a zx6r. Her 1st maiden trip was a euro tour to Italy’s northern lakes. However, she felt way more comfortable and at ease with a little gpz500s.
I started on a 50cc Honda pre teen years, 250cc Honda was my first road bike 38 years ago!
Honda 750 works well for me these days!
Thoughts on buying a RS660 in about 18 months. 50 year old first time rider. Currently have a Vulcan S. Having allot of fun on the Vulcan but want to try a different style of riding as well. Have access to an R3 and enjoy it too.
Best in class. Daytona 660 and RS660 are amazing
Would love to test ride and buy an RS660. I'm sure you can handle it safety wise.
Don't sleep on a VFR-800..
mmm, have you sat on one? a bit tight. I bought a 660 tuono and its great. no sore back, no knees on elbows and still ergonomic enough to crouch.
@@Adeus555 I haven’t yet. I’ll definitely check out the Tuono as well.
I think it’s a little bit of a tough question. Some people are simply much more ready than others.
I started on a 350 that too with professional lessons
Good job!
went from a ruckus to a Royal Enfield Scram 411. Running the Ruckus wide open on 30 mph streets incredibly fun.
I started actual street riding with a DR350. Rode it for a year or so then went to a pokey KLR 650, which felt like a superbike to me at the time. Now it feels like a little dirt bike. But I’m glad I started on a smaller bike. I’ve spoken at the funeral of a wonderful young man chose a CBR 600. Please don’t let that be you.
My first bike was a brand new GSX-R600 (2006 K6). I survived and "I'm fine". Would I recommend someone else do it? No. It was a mistake. I commuted to work in traffic on a race bike; definition of "made it harder on myself". It was my daily. I was really bad and, looking back, there were better options that would have been so much more... helpful to learning. I still love that bike but I am also convinced that I would have been a better rider and had more fun on a "starter" bike. I bought the "cool" bike that I could afford and ended up looking dumb duck-walking and dropping it trying to park on uneven parking lots.
i started on a 2015 street triple rx. saving grace was that i was in my early 30's and not looking to die. can't imagine if i had started on that level bike in my teenage years.
Grew up on dirt bikes. Went for my first street bike and got told to go with a 300-400. I did. It lasted a month before I turned it in for the GSX 8R and I was instantly more comfortable with that then the 390 duke. So its not really a one size fits all answer. Brand new to riding? Absolutely start on a 300 or 400. As always, Yammie nailed it. Also you are the reason I went with that 8R and I thank you for that,
Started on a 660
Took it slow.
Practiced slow maneuvering a lot
Still learning and gaining knowledge
Got it dialed up slowly, Dutch based, gs500 - sv650 - dorsoduro 750 - Street triple S - Street triple R - now on a Speed twin 1200. Looks old but has 112nM of torque very low in the rev’s. Glad I worked up to that cause I can ride it properly instead of dumb highway pulls
I started on an MT07 and I’m having a blast. I rode a 50cc during my teens and had car experience to know how to behave in the road, plus as a EU citizen I took my license course (with an MT07) and examination with an instructor that was all about safety and making yourself visible in the road. All of this led to being a good decision for me, but definitely not for everyone. The first time I drove that machine at the driving school it was scary AF, but in the end you gotta know your limits!
My first bike in 1980 was a Honda C70. It was 70cc and I rode it for five years. My second bike in 2018 was a BMW R Nine T which was 1170cc.
My first bike at 17 in 1997 was a brand new ZX-6R. My second bike was a brand new 2000 R1. I kept both for a while. In 2001 I sold the Ninja. In 2002 I sold the R1, and bought a brand new GSX-R1000. Traded that in for a brand new K6 (still have it). 2008 bought an R6 that was 100% for the track. Sold it in 2012. In 2016 I bought a ZX-10R KRT. Still have both 2006 K6, and 2016 KRT 10R. So, to summarize my first bike was a 600. Rode it for 4 years and bought a 1000. Been riding liter bikes 24yrs. Zero regrets.
Started track days in ‘99 after having my 6R for 2yrs. Still prefer my liter bikes for the street. Having both offered some flexibility for how I wanted to ride though.
Not all are fortunate enough to have an early start at riding. After 68 years as a rider, I feel a 125 to a 250 is starter bike size. Since during my first 4 years, I was too young to ride on the streets. It means I had to ride the trails and dirt roads. I learned more on that little 165cc two stroke in the dirt and gravel than you can imagine. By the time I got a 250 and hit the streets I was very comfortable with a motorcycle which made learning about traffic much easier and safer. Was flat tracking an XR750 Harley by age 16. Riding dirt will teach you more about motorcycle handling and dynamics than 10 years of street riding in less than 3 months. I would recommend doing some dirt time followed by hard surface road racing track days. After the above activities and 6 to 8 years on the mean streets, a motorcycle will be as natural and enjoyable as breathing. Now that all these many years have passed, I enjoy every ride with the anticipation and joy of April 6, 1956.
In 2000, i started with a 1984 Magna V45 (700 cc) . it had the potential to be a beast, but handled very calmly. Im now on a Tracer9 GT, because of commuting on Los Angeles freeways. If youre in my area, a 300 is going to be a difficult struggle.
I ‘should’ have started on a 600 at 29 after driving a manual for the last 10 years. But I’m perfectly happy with my 300
After owning a zx10r and zx9r. Jumping on a 2023 zx6r is golden!! 🤩
Driving a manual car does not correlate to being able to jump on a fast motorcycle lol
@@vebez5993 if only that were the only variable I stated, brother.
@@vebez5993 I’m not 18
@@DeniedClimax doesn’t matter? lol
I have zero experience riding and I bought a 650 Honda this morning, after a few kilometres so far so good.
No matter how small the bike, (NOBODY IN A CAR CARES HOW SMALL IT IS). Wanna start small, just do it. Learn and get a bigger bike later. I recommend taking an msf course. Its a great start. Just be careful and have fun. GOD bless us all
Just got my first bike fz6r, originally was planning on getting an r3 but my dad whos been riding most his life, even raced recommend i get something bigger, honestly couldnt be happier, it feels like the perfect amount of punch for me
The fz6r is a VERY detuned 600. Yes it’s technically a 600cc but it really isn’t a 600 like the super sports he’s talking about. It’s a good beginner bike that doesn’t have a lot of power
Starting on a Z400 after zero prior riding experience and taking the MSF, so far loving it! I live in central FL and having a city street weapon of a vehicle is awesome. the highway is the only place to let a 600 sing, and most street riding is where a small-er displacement bike shines.(or one that hits peak power before 10k rpms)
Fellas... kind off topic, but... can we finally agree that we RIDE motorcycles and we DRIVE cars? Can we? Thanks.
Huh, a complete beginner here that just started on 600cc honda few weeks ago. I'm on older side so didn't mean to drive a rocket, actually got this cbf600 without knowing much because it had a great price and condition. It is damn scary but fun and if I'm not splattered onto some wall in near future I'll comment here again :) Thanks for great videos btw mate.
When people (potential squids) on the internet talks about "600cc bikes as beginner bikes" they are specifically taking about 600cc supersports bikes - namely the Kawasaki Ninja ZX6, Honda CBR600RR, Yamaha R6 and Suzuki GSX-R600. These bikes make something between 100-120 horses on a sub-420 pound weight from the factory which means they have insanely high power to weight ratio (and if you crunch the numbers - better power to weight ratio than a good number of sports cars) so saying they are FAST is sort of an understatement, which is why the question of whether a beginner should get those as their first bike comes up.
Your CBF600 while technically a 600cc bike is not in the same category as these 4 bikes as it only makes like half the power with far more weight. So if you think your CBF600 is scary, think how much MORE scary it is when the power of your bike is doubled, and now picture a complete beginner trying to learn to ride on one....
@@nanaholic01 ohh, TIL, thanks!
After 3 years on my Ninja 400, I feel absolutely zero desire to get a bigger bike. I’ve tried much bigger bikes and still prefer the 400. A lot of new riders have this misconception that they will eventually “grow out” of something like the 400 and need something bigger. The 400/500 class can simply do everything you need on any road. They’re cheaper, super reliable, and the light weight makes them too much fun. It’s like having a really zippy little Toyota hatchback that’s indestructible. Compared to cars they’re not actually slow. Specifically when you look at between 0 and 90. They can do 0-60 in 4 1/2 seconds. That’s super fast for car standards.
Too slow
@@DaltonNMantz to each their own. I choose the bike that I enjoy the most. Not what other people think is “fast enough”. Too slow for what? Are you a track rider, or like to go 100+ all the time?
@@DaltonNMantz I just saw your other comment. You only started riding a week ago and you think your 650 is too slow? Are you trying to set a land speed record? Try some twisty roads. They’re a whole lot better than the interstate.
I have been driving a bmw 310r for city commuting and it’s been great. I did all kinds of research and then just figured that any first bike between 250 and 400cc is fun and awesome to learn on. Also agree that 400cc on modern motorcycle is more than enough.
@@Dsanrideslet natural selection happen lol
There are also the old 600 cc naked like hornet 600 or xj6
But they are forgotten and no one wants them anymore with the raising of the parallel twin area
The Hornet was always underrated by the general public, even in it's day.
Hornet was my starter bike, looks cool, is light and easy in low rpm, and when you start to be confident enough it can go fast
In my part of the world, Australia, we have a restriction of power output for learners. We are allowed an engine restricted to 150 kilowatt per metric tonne, not exceeding 655cc. If you are younger and just starting out in your riding career, you have a learners permit for 12 months and then 2 years of a provisional licence. Then after that, you can get an unrestricted motorcycle.
i started on a 600, started riding this year at 34, i am a pilot tho so respect for machines is part of what i do. xd super fun went easy, still learning. reason i started on one is i just really liked it and bought from a friend. low miles and awesome price for the machine was going to do a rebel 400 but im glad i did what i did for me.
I have a little experience in car racing and karting, and I can tell you this: If the car is faster than me, I’m not progressing. If I feel like the car is slow, I start to improve in small areas to find that sweet spot, and feel much more in control.
On bikes, even if you can be disciplined and handle it, it’s likely still gonna be more enjoyable when you actually CAN go closer to the bike’s limit.
I'm just that guy. I grew up on the dirt bikes and holding onto the back of Harleys as long as I remember, and when I started exploring for street motorcycles I realistically didn't want something like the Honda 250s i had tapped out the range on. I immediately wanted to size up. Learning to respect the road came with time and crashes but its something I mastered before having something that was built for the streets. In fact it was the 175 Comp Quad that I traded for my first bike the 1996 Kawasaki Ninja GPX600R (With the purple 90s vibes) that i rolled long before i knew streets didn't slide like dirt. Its hard owning an older bike, and it is truly not for the uninitiated to run a 600 as your first street bike, but if you have the understanding of how to PROPERLY ride dirt bikes, you should be fine to take BABY STEPS on a larger street bike. The amount of information I get from you tube about street riding keeps me humble because it is like playing softball vs baseball, they act similar but your dirt bike riding is only going to translate so much to the road. Thanks Yam, you should send me a bike from this millennium ;)
Started on an 01 Suzuki Bandit GSF600S 600CC inline 4, honestly love it, enough power to give me some thrill, and let me slowly expand that thrill as I feel confident and comfortable, but enough power to keep me in check because I KNOW it can kill me if I fuck around (now of course, so can a 250cc if I tried hard enough, but you get my point)
Its my only bike, I started riding 3 weeks ago, have not dropped the bike or pushed it beyond what is reasonable (with some mild squiding involved), but never took risks beyond what I trust I can handle, no insane cornering, trying to stunt the bike, etc. I just want to ride. The 600 I got was the best condition used bike in my area and in my budget, and that's why I chose it
I got a 750 harley street as my first bike. When i asked around about starter bikes i pretty much given 2 options. Either get sumthin small that you'll outgrow in a year or 2, or get sumthin in 500 - 750 range and take ur time to learn the bike and have it for years to come.
Depends on the type of bike.
I found a 700 honda shadow to be a great beginner bike.
Then again its build for a different purpose even if still close to the same cc as the bikes you are referring to.
There are 2 types of 600, the “R” and the “N” or “F” type. The F or R can be suitable for a new rider with some sort of experience. The R type can be very tricky. 350/500 are a good school for power, weight, stoppage,etc
Started 2 years ago on a RJ03 (First Gen R6) and its still my sidechick❤
my mom and dad had a 04 636 and they stopped riding a while ago. ive always wanted to ride naturally and it was the bike ive started on because its a free bike and it’s what i had access to. ive gotten so much better at riding but i rode my friends ninja 400 and man that thing is fun, comfortable but somewhat sporty, i like how you can wring it out without feeling scared. If i could do it over again and i didnt have access to a free bike, i would not start on a 600. id definitely start on a traditional beginner bike
I started almost 3 years on Honda CB 600F (basicly the same engine as in CBR600) but had it restricted to 35kw because of the A2 license. About a month ago I opened it to full power of 69kw and I'm glad I didn't start on full power right away
I started riding in April when i bought a F900r 99hp and 67lb of torque. I'm going to be 30 and imo if you are older and mature you could handle the beginner plus category. So far have rode close to 1k safe miles. You are right a bike like this isnt great of a starter bike because even though its not "fast" because it tops out at roughly 135mph It'll get you to 100 in a damn hurry and the first time i truly cracked open the throttle i realized how hard it was to hold onto lol.
Love the new outro.
I started on a ninja 250 back in 09 and that lasted about six months before I felt the pressure from my friends to get a 600. But I think it was best because it helped understand how fast even that little bike can go and how vulnerable you are in the open road. It def got me ready for my r6 that I ended up getting
I didn’t start on a 600 I started on a 1k. I was 49 years old but still started on a 2021 GSXR 1000. I had very little motorcycle experience but I’ve been riding atv’s since I was able to reach the controls. I’m not here to say anyone should or should not start on a 600cc+ sport bike just that i did it. I didn’t get a bike for years because i always wanted a sport bike, I mean the bike in Top Gun is what made me want a bike. The ZX1100 Ninja was my favorite bike for a long time, till the ZX1200 came out. I didn’t get one because I knew I would probably kill or at best severely injure myself. I made the decision last year that I was going to get a bike and I wanted a liter bike so that what I got. I know this is tltr but just some of my thoughts.
It's important to note that a 600 Ninja is a world apart from a 650 ADV. I would absolutely recommend a 650 V-strom to a beginner over 5'9" 180lbs. The weight is all up high making it a bit rough for shorter beginners.
Here in Sweden if you want the "full" tier of motorcycle licence it is *required* that you do the driving test on a bike with 600+ CC, above ~65HP and above 170KG weight. That being said, it can be any type of 600CC+ bike, not necessarily a supersport.
Im gonna get myself a RE Bullet 350 because its sexy and within my skill-set 😂
I got myself a liter bike about a year into riding a year back. Haven't been on the track with it yet. The V4R caught my eye and I ride it almost daily. Haven't died yet. But hard to die at 45mph with almost no traffic.
Started on a 16 street triple r last year, and last week I bought a 23 s1000r. Next week it has the 1000km service, and I'm off to the track :D I'm 35 and it has been fine, although there has been a few situations.
started on a 06 daytona 675 2 months ago, 1000 miles under my belt. started out rough first week but got much better after I started putting in repetition to practicing the basics. good starter bike for those who like the sport bike scene, at least in my opinion 👍
Friend of mine wanted to return to biking after a 25 year break. His last bike all those years ago was a Susuki 1100 EFE (i think). He was smitten with the new Hyabusa with a 4k discount but couldn’t get it because absolutely no one would insure him. I think there’s a valid reason why.
Great video!!!! I survived my 600-purchase 25 years ago. Wish I had seen this video 1st! Rethinking my next bike. MSF course this weekend!
My first street bike was a cbr600f2 and it almost immediately wasn’t fast enough. Turbo zx14 or hayabusa is the best beginner bike hands down. Little bit more power and a boost controller to keep you from getting bored.