After not being able to get any traditional driving irons up in the air, I tested and then built myself a Sim Max OS 4-iron. Already strongly lofted at 18*, I bent it to 16*, slightly longer Ventus Blue shaft and adjusted grip weight to get my swing weight dialed in. It makes a fantastic low iron off the tee for average swing speed. Plenty of weight down low to get the ball up in the air, and about half the cost of a lot of other driving irons.
The #2 Hybrid, opened 1 click for additional anti-left protection, is an absolute no brainer for every better player. I use the Mizuno 2020 CLK #2 16-degree hybrid, opened 1-click to 15-degrees, and ordered with the amazingly no up-charge Tensei White Pro edition 94 gram TX Flex shaft, 1/2 inch shorter. I use it for exactly the situation described in this video, that low driving 235 carry, roll out to 255 tee shot, but it also can be hit off the fairway into Par 5s. Once you have one of these clubs, you will never buy a 2 iron again
I'd like to see a similar test done with a high hdcp'er comparing a rather less forgiving club to these so we don't have a pro subconsciously manipulating the club striking.
Mike, hybrid at 18 wins for sure based on slightly missed ballspeed and strokes gained. Key is not have a utility that launches too high or hooks for us faster guys. That one looks peachy
Thank you. So many review comparisons are off the deck. Especially utility irons which are often called driving irons. Nice to see a comparison with a tee. Although I drive the ball decent there are many par 4 holes where a 230 yd shot will leave a wedge for a second shot. Where I struggle is do I go high (hybrid) or low with a driving iron. Which one do you think is more accurate?
I fell in love with hybrids once I found the TS2. I put my 23* in the C1 (lower and flatter) and it is incredible. About to add a 5 hybrid to the bag soon.
@@Cornwall1888 I need a 5 hybrid that won't hook which is an even taller task haha. Currently looking at G425 and Callaway Apex Pro. Was holding out fot TSi but they stopped making 5 hybrids in the TSi2 series. Highest they go is 24 which is what my 4 iron is.
@@jacobmccain8082 my mizuno jpx 900 23 never hooks think it’s because it’s flat, I love it Finding an stiff 5 hybrid is tough even the new models like sim 2, they do make 25 28 even 31 etc but hard to find in online stores
@@Cornwall1888 They make Sim 2 Max in higher lofts but not the SIM 2 rescue. I prefer a bit smaller shape especially in the higher lofts like 26*. Apex Pro is my preference at this point.
Can you also do the TM DHY (driving hybrid) as well. Would be greatbto see the difference between the driving iron and driving hybrid.(different than the rescue)
I play the P790 2 driving iron, have the OG sim hybrid in the bag, and just snagged the sim 2 rescue 2 hybrid, all have their places and purposes. each club is nice. i prefer the rescue 2 over the og sim, most hybrids have draw bias inherently, but the rescue 2 is so easy to shape either direction, the 2 iron is great as well but lacks ability when you find yourself in those tricky lies, thats where the rescue/hybrid will always outshine. i like the 2 iron for windy days, much easier to keep it low and flight it down.
Agreed I bought the sim udi 2 iron for that purpose keeping it low and for layup drives when I need to hit it straight off the tee. Also great for 2nd shot on par 5's. I've always struggled with my hybrids for some reason but I feel way more control with the 2 iron. Even in the rough I hit it out fine. The sim udi 2 iron is definitely more forgiving then other 2 irons I tried and just makes it a straighter hybrid for me. I can hit it 260-270 off the tee of I catch it just right.
Rather hit my Cobra utility iron than a hybrid any day. Can only crank it down to 19.5 though. Use to love my Ping eye2 1iron years ago . My go to club. Great video again 👏
I’ve been thinking about getting a strong lofted 4 iron to use when it’s windy. Maybe a Wilson d9?. What do you think? Btw you play a totally different game to me. I thought I played golf til I saw you strike a ball! Ha ha.
I just did exactly that. My iron set I bought used didn’t come with 4 iron so I bought a titleist hybrid and love it but rather have the workability of an iron, got the new zx7 4 iron coming in the mail.
Exactly what I did last year. Built a Sim Max OS 4-iron right off Taylormade's site. They let you adjust loft, lie, shaft length, grip style etc. It was $125 brand new delivered and built to my spec. It almost replaces my 3-wood, as it is just so consistent.
In the. 2 iron I have Graphite Design Tour AD Utility/Driving Iron Shaft, in the 3 iron Paderson KINETIXX TS-I .355, both in stiff flex. Cannot beat the feel off the face of these irons.
@@geraldlapalme4510 very cool! I have the 3 iron HMB as well. I love it on some days but other days I struggle. I have the same shaft on it as my other irons, which seems heavy for the 3. Looking into getting something like you have. Thanks for the info!
Why wouldn’t you try the hybrid in standard settings with a square club face? I can understand manipulating afterwards to see differences but not establishing a benchmark first? That’s just odd.
Interesting and confusing - 3 wood/5 wood v 2/3 hybrid ..... why would you choose one over the other? Same lofts so does the shaft length/head size make a significant difference?
TaylorMade SIM DHY +2˚ lie Midsize +1 Mitsubishi Diamana Graphite HY 75 Flex S +1/4” @ 17˚ (2-iron) - higher flight than the UDI and tighter dispersion than a hybrid. For me anyway ..lighter shaft helps with high flight too😏
Might have to throw the new cobra in there too, a lot of good reviews on them and I haven’t seen them being returned at the golf shops. I see the callaway UT and the Ping driving irons all being returned.
I have the Srixon 2 hybrid: note that with the Hzrdus black shaft, it's a higher swing weight than other shafts, and very anti-hook/fade bias. Look fabulous and is forgiving though
So looking at you I’d say you’re 6’3 about 245 lbs. saying that I certainly was cheated I’m 5’9 215 lbs. hard to hit it the distances that you’re hitting. Just saying
Mike sorry I don't wish to be rude but I feel you need to present the merits of each club rather than constantly talking about what you want what you like to see. It doesn't make good viewing for the less skilled player.
The hybrid smoked the utility iron in every single metric! You youtube pga "pros" always talk about us choosing clubs on ego! What about you. You think your too good for a hybrid because alot of tour pros dont use them but it was better for you in every way!
All well and good, but in a year or less it’ll be obsolete and have zero sell on value.......the only way to avoid that is to buy Japanese because they make the best clubs/works of art.
Only thing that makes it obsolete is that your average golfer (the majority of people who buy these clubs) thinks that every new club that comes out will magically make their fundamentals better. And that's just never been the case.
After not being able to get any traditional driving irons up in the air, I tested and then built myself a Sim Max OS 4-iron. Already strongly lofted at 18*, I bent it to 16*, slightly longer Ventus Blue shaft and adjusted grip weight to get my swing weight dialed in. It makes a fantastic low iron off the tee for average swing speed. Plenty of weight down low to get the ball up in the air, and about half the cost of a lot of other driving irons.
The #2 Hybrid, opened 1 click for additional anti-left protection, is an absolute no brainer for every better player. I use the Mizuno 2020 CLK #2 16-degree hybrid, opened 1-click to 15-degrees, and ordered with the amazingly no up-charge Tensei White Pro edition 94 gram TX Flex shaft, 1/2 inch shorter. I use it for exactly the situation described in this video, that low driving 235 carry, roll out to 255 tee shot, but it also can be hit off the fairway into Par 5s. Once you have one of these clubs, you will never buy a 2 iron again
I'd like to see a similar test done with a high hdcp'er comparing a rather less forgiving club to these so we don't have a pro subconsciously manipulating the club striking.
Curious for you to make an Apex Pro Vs. Sim2 Rescue
I just bought a Taylormade P790 Udi. Looks better then a sim udi :)
Yeah, there are less offsets in the 790 UDI
Mike, hybrid at 18 wins for sure based on slightly missed ballspeed and strokes gained. Key is not have a utility that launches too high or hooks for us faster guys. That one looks peachy
I was looking for a video with a low-loft hybrid!!!!
Thank you for showing the numbers/compare.
Thank you. So many review comparisons are off the deck. Especially utility irons which are often called driving irons. Nice to see a comparison with a tee. Although I drive the ball decent there are many par 4 holes where a 230 yd shot will leave a wedge for a second shot. Where I struggle is do I go high (hybrid) or low with a driving iron. Which one do you think is more accurate?
I use a Bridgestone JGR 2, TM Sim 4 hybrid. Love it. Big fan of hybrids.
Yep - you should have shown us a few at standard 17 degrees with the Sim2 Rescue Mike. I think that might have been the sweet spot
I did that in my initial review video. This was to test against the loft of the 2 iron and then in the 15.5 to see the flight change.
Thanks, just the review I was looking for. Just got to wait wee while to get fitted for a Sim 2 17 degree.
I'm swapping between my Callaway Apex 2 hybrid and my Titleist T-MB 2 iron depending on course and conditions.
I fell in love with hybrids once I found the TS2. I put my 23* in the C1 (lower and flatter) and it is incredible. About to add a 5 hybrid to the bag soon.
I want a 5 hybrid but they are hard to find
@@Cornwall1888 I need a 5 hybrid that won't hook which is an even taller task haha. Currently looking at G425 and Callaway Apex Pro. Was holding out fot TSi but they stopped making 5 hybrids in the TSi2 series. Highest they go is 24 which is what my 4 iron is.
@@jacobmccain8082 my mizuno jpx 900 23 never hooks think it’s because it’s flat, I love it
Finding an stiff 5 hybrid is tough even the new models like sim 2, they do make 25 28 even 31 etc but hard to find in online stores
@@Cornwall1888 They make Sim 2 Max in higher lofts but not the SIM 2 rescue. I prefer a bit smaller shape especially in the higher lofts like 26*. Apex Pro is my preference at this point.
@@jacobmccain8082 found gapr hi 22 and 25 might settle for those
Can you also do the TM DHY (driving hybrid) as well. Would be greatbto see the difference between the driving iron and driving hybrid.(different than the rescue)
Hey Mike what shafts do you have in each?
I play the P790 2 driving iron, have the OG sim hybrid in the bag, and just snagged the sim 2 rescue 2 hybrid, all have their places and purposes. each club is nice. i prefer the rescue 2 over the og sim, most hybrids have draw bias inherently, but the rescue 2 is so easy to shape either direction, the 2 iron is great as well but lacks ability when you find yourself in those tricky lies, thats where the rescue/hybrid will always outshine. i like the 2 iron for windy days, much easier to keep it low and flight it down.
Agreed I bought the sim udi 2 iron for that purpose keeping it low and for layup drives when I need to hit it straight off the tee. Also great for 2nd shot on par 5's. I've always struggled with my hybrids for some reason but I feel way more control with the 2 iron. Even in the rough I hit it out fine. The sim udi 2 iron is definitely more forgiving then other 2 irons I tried and just makes it a straighter hybrid for me. I can hit it 260-270 off the tee of I catch it just right.
Rather hit my Cobra utility iron than a hybrid any day. Can only crank it down to 19.5 though. Use to love my Ping eye2 1iron years ago . My go to club.
Great video again 👏
I’ve been thinking about getting a strong lofted 4 iron to use when it’s windy. Maybe a Wilson d9?. What do you think? Btw you play a totally different game to me. I thought I played golf til I saw you strike a ball! Ha ha.
I just did exactly that. My iron set I bought used didn’t come with 4 iron so I bought a titleist hybrid and love it but rather have the workability of an iron, got the new zx7 4 iron coming in the mail.
Exactly what I did last year. Built a Sim Max OS 4-iron right off Taylormade's site. They let you adjust loft, lie, shaft length, grip style etc. It was $125 brand new delivered and built to my spec. It almost replaces my 3-wood, as it is just so consistent.
Hybrid toe in you draw the ball ?
Could never get any distance control with a hybrid. Mizuno mp 20 hmb 2 and 3 irons are the best feeling long irons.
If you don’t mind me asking, what shaft you got in those?
In the. 2 iron I have Graphite Design Tour AD Utility/Driving Iron Shaft, in the 3 iron Paderson KINETIXX TS-I .355, both in stiff flex. Cannot beat the feel off the face of these irons.
@@geraldlapalme4510 very cool! I have the 3 iron HMB as well. I love it on some days but other days I struggle. I have the same shaft on it as my other irons, which seems heavy for the 3. Looking into getting something like you have. Thanks for the info!
What would you put in the bag Mike?
u500 player. love it off the tee
Would have liked to see the Dhy against the hybrid as more of a match
Nice comparison, thanks👍. 2 Rescue for me, only question in my mind is 4 iron or rescue🤔, especially in the wind...
Why wouldn’t you try the hybrid in standard settings with a square club face? I can understand manipulating afterwards to see differences but not establishing a benchmark first? That’s just odd.
Interesting and confusing - 3 wood/5 wood v 2/3 hybrid ..... why would you choose one over the other? Same lofts so does the shaft length/head size make a significant difference?
Txg has a good video on this
I will stick to my gapr lo, set at 15.5 degrees.
2 irons are my favourite
TaylorMade SIM DHY +2˚ lie Midsize +1 Mitsubishi Diamana Graphite HY 75 Flex S +1/4” @ 17˚ (2-iron) - higher flight than the UDI and tighter dispersion than a hybrid. For me anyway ..lighter shaft helps with high flight too😏
TaylorMade SIM 2 Utility Iron OR Srixon ZX 2 iron?? Which one you prefer??
Might have to throw the new cobra in there too, a lot of good reviews on them and I haven’t seen them being returned at the golf shops. I see the callaway UT and the Ping driving irons all being returned.
I have the Srixon 2 hybrid: note that with the Hzrdus black shaft, it's a higher swing weight than other shafts, and very anti-hook/fade bias. Look fabulous and is forgiving though
@John Smith 18 degrees is a 2 iron, not a 4 iron. Yes i suggest 16 degree hybrid instead of 18 degree iron
Hybrid or 5 wood depending on the course is how I roll
Of those, which one goes higher for you?
@@the1mexicant hybrid but not by much
Don’t really need a 3 wood with that hybrid 😂
So looking at you I’d say you’re 6’3 about 245 lbs. saying that I certainly was cheated I’m 5’9 215 lbs. hard to hit it the distances that you’re hitting. Just saying
First, and only
Mike sorry I don't wish to be rude but I feel you need to present the merits of each club rather than constantly talking about what you want what you like to see. It doesn't make good viewing for the less skilled player.
The hybrid smoked the utility iron in every single metric! You youtube pga "pros" always talk about us choosing clubs on ego! What about you. You think your too good for a hybrid because alot of tour pros dont use them but it was better for you in every way!
All well and good, but in a year or less it’ll be obsolete and have zero sell on value.......the only way to avoid that is to buy Japanese because they make the best clubs/works of art.
Only thing that makes it obsolete is that your average golfer (the majority of people who buy these clubs) thinks that every new club that comes out will magically make their fundamentals better. And that's just never been the case.