After some thinking and reconsiderations I finally made the leap. Just assembled and tested a brand new pair of shi-favero. Well I was afraid of the change in Q factor, I partially offset the larger stance by adjusting the clips. Outcome either neutral or better. Most people might benefit from a broader q factor. I am one them. Very happy with my Favero Shi Assioma mounted on a pair of Ultegra Pedals. Assembly just smooth. 5 minutes.
Great review David, as usual! I guess Favero faced a patent issue with Shimano if they offered SPD-SL compatible pedals… Only work-around was to offer the body only…
Thanks David, your reviews are always the first that I jump to and this ones is exactly why! Will informed, concise and to the point honest opinion. I bought the Look Keo compatible versions of these a few months back after being a SPD-SL person up to then. I love them, the information and reliability is fantastic. It was a big thing for me to change to a non SPD-SL system but you've just made me happy with the decision to go with the Keo compatible system rather than wait for an SPD-SL version. I find the float on the Keo compatible to be looser than the dura ace ones I had been using, both systems have a similar quoted ° of float but the feeling is different, not better or worse just different. Now that I've accepted the different float feeling the experience between the SPD-SL and Keo compatible is similar in terms of engagement and release
Thanks John, that means a lot. I might have switched if the stance width hadn't been an issue but thankfully the Look Keo pedals are perfectly usable as you've been finding out
Surprised that as a man who rides so many different bikes and styles that q factor was such an issue, but each person is different i found assioma duo release to tight for me until I removed one of the 2 springs so yes personal preference matters
Apologies if I missed it, but you should review the new Favero Assioma MX-Pro MTB power pedals. They seem to have gotten rid of the "pod," and narrowed the Q-factor. The stack height isn't bad either. Plus, they are way cheaper than the others on the market from Garmin and SRM. Cheers
Well I just bought the original Look Keo one (Assioma Duo). EUR is really cheap now so it’s like under a big discount (incl. shipping EUR593 ~USD595). I am currently using Shimano Ultegra R8000 pedals, but given that most people told me there isn’t any big difference between the two systems in use, I would rather get the whole package together with the pedals instead of disassembling my Shimano pedals. Many people here mentioned that the stance width change is not a big deal but anyway you can’t deny it’s a compromised solution - why Favero doesn’t include the Shimano pedals is beyond me but probably due to licensing fees? See the crazy price of Garmin Rally RS200 [but their Look Keo one is at the same insane price]. I’m still waiting for shipping now for the Assioma Duo but after reading all the reviews I’m sure it will be a great product. Great value especially compared to the Garmin Rally.
It would help with the stance width question to know your waist and hip measurements, whether your knees track vertically or go in-to-out/out-to-in in a particular way, and whether your feet naturally point in, forward or out. I'm assuming from the outcome you have relatively narrow waist and hip (e.g. less than about 33 inches and 39) and that your feet point forward or in.
Yes that's an interesting question and maybe something I could have gotten into more. I'm happy with the stance on my mountain bikes but on the road bike it felt much more noticeable than I had expected and the knee pain was an issue which I can only put down to the different riding position/riding style on a road race bike versus a mountain bike
@@davidarthur I can't wrap my head around this because the issues seems reversed to me (i don't know much about Q-factor etc so please forgive me 😃) but wouldn't these pedals on a MTB result in even more knee pain since MTB:s have an even wider Q-factor than road bike + that extra 10mm would give even wider stance & thus increase the Q-angle = kneepain? Even though riding position/style is a big factor it's weird to me that a wide stance is okay for the knees in one application but in the other it isn't
Do you know what the Q-factor is on the Look pedals? You said you like them better. I need a wider Q-factor (about 60-61) but idk if the shimano swill be too wide 🤔
Hi David, how long is the life of batteries before have to replace? I would have to buy entire new unit because battery too old and can’t hold charge? It’s a disadvantage right?
Bummer these don't work with SPD pedlas. Mountain SPD shoes on road bikes are quality of life, I can walk with mountain shoes while I'm out on my road bike and I haven't changed cleats in years! Still clipping in strong, without having to adjust the pedals.
is the stand widths only wider for the spd model or also for the look model? i am riding look pedals. it sounds like it is only an issue for the spd model?
Also by moving the cleat to the max on either side it moves the center of your foot over the actual pedals, which in theory is less efficient and less stable.
@@pounet4027 on most road shoes you might get away with it. I have the Keo version and, with the cleat attached, my shoe is slightly above the pod already. No rubbing that I've noticed.
The 10mm becomes 20mm when we have two legs (or pedals 😁). Sounds like a deal breaker for most people, shame I prefer SPD but am also very happy with my Uno Faveros.
For me that's one of the advantages of the pedal. I use a pedal spacer to move the pedals outboard. But with this, I wouldn't need it. I think it puts the Q factor at about the same as mountain bike Q factor, a commercial spin bike but which is still less than fat bike Q factor. If you have tight hips, wider is better. But it takes a while to get used to it.
Hard pass for me. 1 cm per leg is a big jump. I prefer a narrow stance since I have a narrow hip. This probably will not work for the majority? Pretty disappointing. I like the Shimano pedal better, but not enough to sacrifice my knees though. Bike fitter won't recommend this unless you are on the group of people who need a wider stance.
You can use an xpedo SPD body with the original Assiomas. It's a popular hackbodge that works very well. Only limitation is the pod which may mean a bit of dremmeling of the shoe. Also needs crank end caps to protect the pod overlap. Ideal for gravel, a bit less so for XC MTB. See GPLama vids.
"The highly-anticipated Shimano compatible Favero Assioma pedals" I don't think these were highly anticipated, the SPD's are highly anticipated. It seems that unless you want to sell the kidney to be a beta tester for Garmin, there's no pedal based options for those who like to ride in mountain bike shoes.
The Pod makes it largely impossible for these to be used with SPD. There's a few videos where people have swapped in an Xpeedo SPD compatible body onto their Uno. The issue is that they also had to cut their shoes in order to clip in 😅
Got your stance width & q-factor a bit mixed up there. Overall though the 12mm q-factor increase will, all things being equal for standard road BB shell width, make the stance width nearly 1" wider which any physio or bike fitter will tell you is enormous. Pedals may be different but the q-factors in general are based around a 53-54mm standard. The whole point of power meter pedals is to swap them out with no contra-issues. These fail. Love my Assiomas and was looking forward to SPD-L upgrades. In the end may be hackbodging my assiomas to SPD/Xpedo and getting some Rally, unless Favero can come come up with their own SPD-L body if licensing allows.
Um sorry but no I didn't mix up the stance width and q-factor, but it's interesting that all the other reviews of these pedals did. I think it's no trouble to live with the Look Keo versions though, while it is a shame the SPD-SLs didn't retain the same dimensions
I would say that stance width is Q factor plus 2* the pedal spindle length. I think a lot of people may say Q factor when they mean stance width anyway. Regardless, I have a feeling I wouldn’t like to add 20mm to my stance width. I might adapt, true, but I am not willing to pay $500 and take the chance that my new stance width is too wide.
@@weiwenng8096 Yes, got my technical terms mixed up there. Agree with the sentiment though. Favero I hope have seen the issue many have and will hopefully produce their own modified bodies. I'm looking at swapping for the Rally SLR or going to a Quark and converting the Assiomas to SPD via the GPlama hack.
I think for a top end power meter this is actually pretty poor. 1. You have to buy a extra part, the pedal 2. these power meters are very finicky and the pedal engagement may affect the accuracy 3. The Q factor 4. Price 5. You have to assemble yourself It seems and looks like a start up companies first gen power meter, it wouldn't be so bad if this shaft thing was cheap, but it is at the top end regards to price. For a company that had a really good name for their look fit pedals, i do feel this is a step backwards
1. For most people who are using shimano pedals it is cheaper variant 3. Q factor isnt a theme if you have also different width for bikes 4. cheaper then Look version if you are already shimano user 5. every service will do it for you or do it by yourself when it is easy task
I recently purchased the Shi's and never noticed any difference to stance riding. Really happy with them and as I had ultegra pedals already it was an easy change. I think the fact I ride primarily mountain bikes the fit made no difference to me although I am considering moving my road bikes seat forward a little bit.
Honestly I cant understand how tf they destroyed this product like that.. they have been testing this for over a year.... very disappointed. Seems like Garmin wont have a reason to drop prices.. :/
After some thinking and reconsiderations I finally made the leap. Just assembled and tested a brand new pair of shi-favero. Well I was afraid of the change in Q factor, I partially offset the larger stance by adjusting the clips. Outcome either neutral or better. Most people might benefit from a broader q factor. I am one them. Very happy with my Favero Shi Assioma mounted on a pair of Ultegra Pedals. Assembly just smooth. 5 minutes.
How tall are you?
@@DevelopingNL 174 cm
great review as usual David!
+1
Great review David, as usual! I guess Favero faced a patent issue with Shimano if they offered SPD-SL compatible pedals… Only work-around was to offer the body only…
Thanks David, your reviews are always the first that I jump to and this ones is exactly why! Will informed, concise and to the point honest opinion.
I bought the Look Keo compatible versions of these a few months back after being a SPD-SL person up to then. I love them, the information and reliability is fantastic. It was a big thing for me to change to a non SPD-SL system but you've just made me happy with the decision to go with the Keo compatible system rather than wait for an SPD-SL version. I find the float on the Keo compatible to be looser than the dura ace ones I had been using, both systems have a similar quoted ° of float but the feeling is different, not better or worse just different. Now that I've accepted the different float feeling the experience between the SPD-SL and Keo compatible is similar in terms of engagement and release
Thanks John, that means a lot. I might have switched if the stance width hadn't been an issue but thankfully the Look Keo pedals are perfectly usable as you've been finding out
6:35 I just paid extra for a pedal that was 4mm wider...This pedal makes the pedal wider, WOW!!!! Thats a benefit for me.
Great objective review David.
An increase in q-factor will help people who rub shoes on their chainsets.
Surprised that as a man who rides so many different bikes and styles that q factor was such an issue, but each person is different i found assioma duo release to tight for me until I removed one of the 2 springs so yes personal preference matters
Apologies if I missed it, but you should review the new Favero Assioma MX-Pro MTB power pedals.
They seem to have gotten rid of the "pod," and narrowed the Q-factor. The stack height isn't bad either.
Plus, they are way cheaper than the others on the market from Garmin and SRM.
Cheers
Great Review. 10mm, 20mm for both legs does matter certainly!!
Such a great video. Glad I found this video before buying the Assioma for Shimano. Disappointing but I will get the Look Keo version instead.
Well I just bought the original Look Keo one (Assioma Duo). EUR is really cheap now so it’s like under a big discount (incl. shipping EUR593 ~USD595). I am currently using Shimano Ultegra R8000 pedals, but given that most people told me there isn’t any big difference between the two systems in use, I would rather get the whole package together with the pedals instead of disassembling my Shimano pedals. Many people here mentioned that the stance width change is not a big deal but anyway you can’t deny it’s a compromised solution - why Favero doesn’t include the Shimano pedals is beyond me but probably due to licensing fees? See the crazy price of Garmin Rally RS200 [but their Look Keo one is at the same insane price]. I’m still waiting for shipping now for the Assioma Duo but after reading all the reviews I’m sure it will be a great product. Great value especially compared to the Garmin Rally.
shame they aren't compatible with dura ace pedals. the q factor change might be an issue for some riders.
It would help with the stance width question to know your waist and hip measurements, whether your knees track vertically or go in-to-out/out-to-in in a particular way, and whether your feet naturally point in, forward or out. I'm assuming from the outcome you have relatively narrow waist and hip (e.g. less than about 33 inches and 39) and that your feet point forward or in.
Good review 👍
Did it feel similar to riding a mountain bike? I assume stance width is similar when adding in the extra 10mm?
Yes that's an interesting question and maybe something I could have gotten into more. I'm happy with the stance on my mountain bikes but on the road bike it felt much more noticeable than I had expected and the knee pain was an issue which I can only put down to the different riding position/riding style on a road race bike versus a mountain bike
@@davidarthur I can't wrap my head around this because the issues seems reversed to me (i don't know much about Q-factor etc so please forgive me 😃) but wouldn't these pedals on a MTB result in even more knee pain since MTB:s have an even wider Q-factor than road bike + that extra 10mm would give even wider stance & thus increase the Q-angle = kneepain? Even though riding position/style is a big factor it's weird to me that a wide stance is okay for the knees in one application but in the other it isn't
Had the exact same question while watching the video. I wish my roadbike would have the same stance of my mtb.
Do you know what the Q-factor is on the Look pedals? You said you like them better. I need a wider Q-factor (about 60-61) but idk if the shimano swill be too wide 🤔
Hi David, how long is the life of batteries before have to replace? I would have to buy entire new unit because battery too old and can’t hold charge? It’s a disadvantage right?
great Video...thx David
Liking the wider stance & Q! Time to place my order.
Bummer these don't work with SPD pedlas. Mountain SPD shoes on road bikes are quality of life, I can walk with mountain shoes while I'm out on my road bike and I haven't changed cleats in years! Still clipping in strong, without having to adjust the pedals.
is the stand widths only wider for the spd model or also for the look model? i am riding look pedals. it sounds like it is only an issue for the spd model?
The Look has a more conventional stance, it's just the new SPD-SL version that has the increased width
@@davidarthur thanks!
@@florianh.6981 The Assioma Uno/Duo is great!
Love the review! Regarding the wider stance, wouldnt moving the cleat compensate for it?
Thanks! You can adjust the cleats but not nearly enough to cancel out the 10mm
Also by moving the cleat to the max on either side it moves the center of your foot over the actual pedals, which in theory is less efficient and less stable.
No, the most you can laterally move any cleat is ~4-5mm, most by 2-3mm around a central bolt/washer alignment.
Dont mountain bikes have higher q factors? So if you had a few bikes they probably have different q factors anyway…
You might be able to adjust "stance" by adjusting cleat position closer to crank. Not much thou.
No, the pod is really big
@@pounet4027 on most road shoes you might get away with it.
I have the Keo version and, with the cleat attached, my shoe is slightly above the pod already.
No rubbing that I've noticed.
The 10mm becomes 20mm when we have two legs (or pedals 😁). Sounds like a deal breaker for most people, shame I prefer SPD but am also very happy with my Uno Faveros.
For me that's one of the advantages of the pedal. I use a pedal spacer to move the pedals outboard. But with this, I wouldn't need it. I think it puts the Q factor at about the same as mountain bike Q factor, a commercial spin bike but which is still less than fat bike Q factor. If you have tight hips, wider is better. But it takes a while to get used to it.
Huge stance change. Would suit those with wide stance/hips, but probably not the majority of riders.
Q factor quite a bit wider, shame. Did you find it made any difference?
I must admit I didn’t get on with it, it gets easier over time but I do prefer narrower setup
Hard pass for me. 1 cm per leg is a big jump. I prefer a narrow stance since I have a narrow hip. This probably will not work for the majority? Pretty disappointing. I like the Shimano pedal better, but not enough to sacrifice my knees though. Bike fitter won't recommend this unless you are on the group of people who need a wider stance.
NOT compatable with R 9100??
Different axle design
Can you use an SPD pedal body?
I'm afraid not, only SPD-SL bodies which is a shame
@@davidarthur Bu**er back to saving for the Garmin ones then....................
You can use an xpedo SPD body with the original Assiomas. It's a popular hackbodge that works very well. Only limitation is the pod which may mean a bit of dremmeling of the shoe. Also needs crank end caps to protect the pod overlap. Ideal for gravel, a bit less so for XC MTB. See GPLama vids.
tarif it's not 594 euros?
"The highly-anticipated Shimano compatible Favero Assioma pedals"
I don't think these were highly anticipated, the SPD's are highly anticipated.
It seems that unless you want to sell the kidney to be a beta tester for Garmin, there's no pedal based options for those who like to ride in mountain bike shoes.
The Pod makes it largely impossible for these to be used with SPD. There's a few videos where people have swapped in an Xpeedo SPD compatible body onto their Uno.
The issue is that they also had to cut their shoes in order to clip in 😅
Shame,doesn’t work for most of the riders.I stick to my old 54 mm ,the company need to consider that!
Got your stance width & q-factor a bit mixed up there. Overall though the 12mm q-factor increase will, all things being equal for standard road BB shell width, make the stance width nearly 1" wider which any physio or bike fitter will tell you is enormous. Pedals may be different but the q-factors in general are based around a 53-54mm standard. The whole point of power meter pedals is to swap them out with no contra-issues. These fail. Love my Assiomas and was looking forward to SPD-L upgrades. In the end may be hackbodging my assiomas to SPD/Xpedo and getting some Rally, unless Favero can come come up with their own SPD-L body if licensing allows.
Um sorry but no I didn't mix up the stance width and q-factor, but it's interesting that all the other reviews of these pedals did. I think it's no trouble to live with the Look Keo versions though, while it is a shame the SPD-SLs didn't retain the same dimensions
I would say that stance width is Q factor plus 2* the pedal spindle length. I think a lot of people may say Q factor when they mean stance width anyway. Regardless, I have a feeling I wouldn’t like to add 20mm to my stance width. I might adapt, true, but I am not willing to pay $500 and take the chance that my new stance width is too wide.
@@weiwenng8096 Yes, got my technical terms mixed up there. Agree with the sentiment though. Favero I hope have seen the issue many have and will hopefully produce their own modified bodies. I'm looking at swapping for the Rally SLR or going to a Quark and converting the Assiomas to SPD via the GPlama hack.
They’re not compatible with “pretty much every Shimano SPD pedal”. They’re not compatible with dura ace pedals!
Just a little salty that the exits “regular” pedals can not be retrofitted with Shimano pedals
Gutted, deal Breaker for myself with that q factor increase, and the price isn't at all good enough when you can get a pair of garmin for a tad more.
"and the price isn't at all good enough when you can get a pair of garmin for a tad more"
roughly 2x more isn't "a tad", that's for sure.
Now if they price the spindles for the everyman they'll sell.likr hit cakes.
David Arthur finally doesn't like something!
😂
so they are a power axle, and you have to pay over £400 to wreck you"re knees!!! no thanks
I think for a top end power meter this is actually pretty poor.
1. You have to buy a extra part, the pedal
2. these power meters are very finicky and the pedal engagement may affect the accuracy
3. The Q factor
4. Price
5. You have to assemble yourself
It seems and looks like a start up companies first gen power meter, it wouldn't be so bad if this shaft thing was cheap, but it is at the top end regards to price.
For a company that had a really good name for their look fit pedals, i do feel this is a step backwards
1. For most people who are using shimano pedals it is cheaper variant
3. Q factor isnt a theme if you have also different width for bikes
4. cheaper then Look version if you are already shimano user
5. every service will do it for you or do it by yourself when it is easy task
I recently purchased the Shi's and never noticed any difference to stance riding. Really happy with them and as I had ultegra pedals already it was an easy change. I think the fact I ride primarily mountain bikes the fit made no difference to me although I am considering moving my road bikes seat forward a little bit.
Mad about the price 😿😾😾
Honestly I cant understand how tf they destroyed this product like that.. they have been testing this for over a year.... very disappointed. Seems like Garmin wont have a reason to drop prices.. :/