Finally! Affordable American Made 7.62x39-Palmetto AAC Ammo Review. Suprising Results
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2024
- Today we are taking an in depth look at the first affordable US made 7.62x39 by @PalmettoStateArmoryVideos I'm very excited to have them taking the lead on this. It is the only thing that's going to keep the AK market alive. So regardless of the results we should all be thankful and support their continued attribution to the AK market.
Finally someone covers Tela ammo lol bought some been happy with it so far.
Right now I think it’s the best ammo you can get.
Great great video! I really liked you bouncing that off Tula and Tela
That means a lot coming from you, thank you!
Here is the thing,When we pick up the AK It is hard to be so critical of the Ammo when a Company first comes on line,dont get me wrong, they need to hear about for sure, But It will only get better. If they really want to help ,lets get the prices down PSA on Ammo! My loading manual has loads that start at 1700fps and 2200 at the Very Top and I know when I load, I usually shoot for Mid-Range and that would be 1800 or 1900 at tops! They are probably Going By the Book! But they should state that!
@@scottwilson1258 I definitely recognize that and plan to revisit this ammo and their Sabre line next month in a comparison video. All good points man! Thanks for the input
bringing them facts!!!!!
Truth hurts sometimes
Just saw today a vid on tela ammo and they rated it bad , your review was refreshing , may pick some up but this video is the first i have seen On AAC but knowing palmetto will clean this issue up as their guns have come a long way
Thank you man I appreciate it. Yeah tela has been performing incredibly well out of all of my guns. I actually bought another case after I filmed this video. Definitely what I’d recommend buying right now. Especially since it’s the only one with sealed primers and case necks. As far as I can tell none of the other 7.62 ammo that is rn.
If have some AAC ammo handy, check the overall length of each round. Mine seem to be all over the place, and that could be the reason for the large deviation.
I shot all of it but that would make sense. I’ll revisit this in a couple months and make sure to bring the caliper. Thanks for the info!
That telaammo is made in Azerbaijan which has hosted an F1 race for many years in a row now,,, and it’s very expensive hosting an F1 race especially for a smaller country like Azerbaijan… So I wouldn’t worry too much about the Telaammo… and I think people have checked to see if it’s corrosive on nails and it passed the test
I think the tela ammo is probably the one to buy atm. I did notate the country of origin when I misspoke and showed out of all ammo tested to compare to AAC it performed the best by a long shot. I’m on my second case since this video and no signs of corrosion with no cleaning. But I do know they’re 5.45 is corrosive.
From what I can tell Tela is just commercial sale of Azerbaijan’s military ammunition. Their standard rifle is still an AKM and they also use 5.45 in limited quantities. (A 5.45 Tavor is even in use) Which might explain why the 5.45 is still corrosive if their military hasn’t approved a newer non corrosive loading.
Appreciate the insight! and I might be wrong on some of the info I just provided. That’s what I gathered from a small amount of research on the country.
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 I have no idea I know it says it’s non corrosive doesn’t mean it is.,, I’m just going off those Nail board test videos people do with different x39.. basically they take a like idk 8 nails pound them half way down in the board and then stick an empty shell on the nail to see if it rusts… and some definitely do and others not so much..
What i saw on another YT chrono was closer to box stated. They didnt get 2375 but they did get into the 2300s. What is your elevation to sea level and what was the temperature when you were shooting. Those maybe having some affect on velocity.
I would love some insight on that, I’m at 2118 ft above sea level and I don’t remember the exact temp when I was recording but I’d ballpark it between 60-70 degrees.
I do still believe that it was underpressured, especially being outperformed by Tula which is pretty notorious for being low pressure. But I’m not sure as to how much. Was the ammo in the RUclips video you watched before the saber line? I was wondering about how that performed.
Main thing I’m concerned about is the consistency. The rifle I did most of the reliability testing out of was my palmetto GF5 which has a pretty consistent ejection pattern with other ammos. There were 4-5 casings that barely fell out of the receiver in the mag dump I recorded. Which leads me to think this is produced from the extreme spread of velocity on the chronograph reading. As well as the accuracy reflecting inconsistency.
I’m genuinely hoping I got a batch that was made on 5pm on a Friday and was an anomaly. Planning to revisit this in another couple months because I really want this ammo to be good.
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You know what you are absolutely right. I went back and watched that video again and that was the Sabre line of ammo. Completely my mistake.
@@oscaryeager2304ahhh gotcha, yeah the Sabre line is really exciting to me. I like the thought of cheap defensive 7.62x39 ammo. From the video you showed me it looked promising.
To be fair almost all ammo manufacturers overstate the velocity. Most give velocity out of a 22-24” barrel which is unrealistic for most shooters. If you need something to shoot for range fun this seems ok. Save the better stuff for when you need it. Maybe AAC will get things tuned up. I think they are trying to make too many types of ammo and not focusing on dialing in
All good points and that’s definitely true, a lot of ammo manufacturers do use long barrels for velocity. However their Sabre line does seem to test at the velocity advertised out of a 16” barrel. And even Tula is outperforming it which is notoriously underpressured.
All that being said my main issue with this ammo is consistency. It’s the least consistent ammo I’ve shot and one of the least accurate. Hitting a 10” gong at 200yds was inconsistent even because the spread was already wider than the target. All this won’t hurt for plinking at the range. But I can’t justify recommending purchasing this when there’s better ammo available at the same price right now.
All being said, I really hope that it cleans up because if suddenly all the imported stuff dries up it’ll be all we have. And I’m really thankful to palmetto for taking the lead on this. This review was difficult because I really wanted it to be good. I also wonder if I got a batch that was made on 5pm on a Friday. So I plan to revisit this and the Sabre line in another couple months when I do a test on several ammunition offerings.
They did their velocity testing with a 20" barreled SKS from what I've heard.
That standard deviation is like .22lr bad lol.
It’s odd because the Sabre line is performing at the advertised velocity out of a 16” barrel. But yeah the deviation is baaaaaaaaaad lol
The big question for this ammunition is can PSA keep it stocked? So far, it doesn't look like it.
Either way currently I’d rather get the Tela ammo. But yeah, right now the demand if so high that there’s no way they can keep up. Let’s see how things look in another 2-3 months
Maybe if people didn’t panic buy it the second the see it you wouldn’t have that problem.
I want to know:
A: what is the diameter of the bullet used? .308 or .311?
B: grain of powder used
C: OAL of round compared to SAAMI spec
D: what the fuck were they smoking manufacturing these rounds
E: why the fuck they are using 20" for test barrels knowing full well most people use 16"
Preach brother
Most (if not ALL) manufacturers advertise their velocities from 24" barrels (though not disclosed).
MOST 7.62x39 ammo made in the States use standard. 308" projectiles even though the cartridges' bore is .311". Kinda helps explains the p*ss poor accuracy of an already anemic round.......to be forthwith I'm chirping because I'm flinging from a 22" HB Howa Mini bolt action. **under 200 yards it's a decent deer round & will take hogs satisfactorily**
@@withoutprejudice8301 that’s odd they’d choose to use the wrong diameter projectile. But I wouldn’t doubt it at the same time. Seems like they take a bunch of shortcuts as a company as a whole.
"Affordable"
Fair statement, compared to other US made 7.62x39 ammo this comes in between 1/2-1/3 the price and matches some of the cheapest non corrosive imported ammo right now. Unfortunately for now this is the current norm.
Palmetto State prolly uses a 20" barrel to achieve their 2375 fps velocity.
I thought that too, but the Sabre line is advertised at the same velocity and in the reviews are showing it much closer (in the mid 2300’s) out of a 16” barrel. So I can’t think why they’d use 2 different barrel lengths for the different cartridges. Honestly I think they just copy and pasted the specs. I do plan to revisit this in another 2 months or so for an ammo/ accuracy comparison. So we’ll see if I just got a batch that was made at 5pm on a Friday. Because I really want this to be good
Prolly, yep.
@@cheeseburger3119 I thought that too, but if it was then their Sabre line would be performing similarly out of a 16” but it’s velocity is in the 2300’s consistently
Like everything else PSA makes, its not in spec. I don't buy from companies who put their customers at risk by selling products they can't depend their lives on.
jUsT aS gOoD
Don’t matter in Aks
I would buy Palmetto ammo just because it's American and we need to promote American made shit. Hopefully, they tighten up their product though. If anything I would rather it be a little too hot than not.
That’s 100% fair and that is an admirable way of thinking. Especially if you only use it for the range. Why I don’t recommend it is because a lot of people only buy multiple (1k plus) rounds of the cheap stuff to defend their homes, family and community with. And I can’t recommend this ammunition for that purpose when there are much better options for them at the same price.
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Ima tella fan myself...
It’s great ammo
For whatever reason RUclips won't let me edit my comments. The problem eith tela ammo is the 545. Its super expensive and corrosive thats what is giving them a bad name
RUclips can be difficult like that lol. That makes sense, the 7.62 isn’t corrosive and I’ve great luck with it but I haven’t paid much attention to their 5.45 because I don’t shoot it. But that’s no bueno and I’m sure they’re capitalizing on the 5.45 shortage.
One thing I did look up was Azerbaijan’s standard service rifle is an akm so it would make sense they’re making more of it which would result in it being cheaper as well. And I do believe Tela-ammo is just importing the military ammunition. They do use a limited amount of 5.45 rifles including a tavor in their special forces (which I had no idea iwi made a 5.45 tavor lol) which all of this might explain why the 5.45 is still corrosive if the military hasn’t approved a new loading for the cartridge.
All this being said it doesn’t make it any less
sh!++y for the us commercial market and I have no doubt they’re capitalizing on the shortage and raising their prices.
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 they are 100% are dude I seen as high as 49.99 a box of 30 and that's fuckin awesome that iwi is making the tavor in 545! I want one hah
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 holy shit I just realized they fucking deleted one of my comments
@@brando104 😳49.99……
And yeah, sometimes RUclips will delete my comments even when there’s nothing offensive or controversial in them. Gotta wonder
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 yea man I almost shit a chicken when I seen that
Does this stuff run reliable ?
The 200rds rounds I fired cycled. But I’d say about 1/5 the casings barely fell out of the receiver. And the gun I used usually has a pretty consistent ejection pattern. Take that for what you will.
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 I bought 250 rounds just haven’t had time to shoot yet. Imma hold off on AAC 7.62 let them tune their rounds a little better. I’ll be stickin with TULA for now. AAC is good ammo especially for range time. I’ve never had any issues but I think I’m going to get them 4-5 months to hash out any QC issues
@@Gator69420 personally if you’re buying more then I’d do the Tela-ammo if you can find it. Idk if you watched the accuracy/chronograph portion but Tela knocked the pants off of both. And yeah, good call on waiting. I plan to revisit this ammo in another couple of months to see if things have cleaned up
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 oh ya that TULA Is no joke 👍🏼 palmetto will get their 7.62 right I have no doubt about it
Not very affordable….
Unfortunately the current state of the market. This comes in at the same or lower price than current imported non corrosive ammo. And half the price of any US made ammo. The days of .15-20 a round is over for the foreseeable future.
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 doesn’t have to be 15-20 cent rounds, it can be 40-45 per round and it’ll be more affordable than major name brands ammo
@@donovan007007 this ammo is .45 a round. 8.99 a box of 20 comes out to 45 cents per round. That’s what I bought it for
@@conceptualconcepts6.9 just checked PSA, the regular Soviet Arms 7.62x39 is $0.52 per round and the black tip is $0.55 per round…. It’s more than 5.56 M855 currently. And almost the same price as newly made 300blk at $0.59 per round. I get it, i do, PSA’s offering is probably going to be the only 7.62x39 offering soon so they just place the ammo price within the same realm of everything else and sell it as is and people buy it. I have over 8k of cheap Tula and brown bear right now that I kicked myself for when I paid $250 per 1k, hindsight is 20/20. When I first bought AK ammo I was paying $70-80 per 1k and thought that was expensive, I paid $250-300 for the last few cases of Tula and won’t shoot it since I already unpacked it into mil cans. I have now become stingy of my own surplus and only shoot what I buy currently, don’t touch any of my old stuff, just forget I even have it….. I think I better start back into long range shooting so I don’t have to shoot bulk anymore lol
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